Arizona shooting coverage is a Media campaign to criminalize conseratism

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Brent Bozell issued a statement that succinctly says what conservative posters have been articulating on this forum. With absolutely no proof or any evidence of any connection to conservative politicians or personalities and their past words to the deranged and apparently left-wing shooter; the left-wing media has been quick to assign the blame for this tragedy on the conservatives doorstep.

They've done this in the past, and it is part of their political strategy to take advantage of any tragedy or crisis if it suits their agenda of advancing their power.

"Never Waste A Crisis" (Emanuel Rahm)

http://www.mediaresearch.org/press/releases/2011/20110110034526.aspx

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spot on

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Honestly ...... many of the main stream media have taken pains appear neutral. Not watching MSNBC at night only Morning Joe. Huffington seems balanced. Some on the left want to blame the right and some on the right want to blame the left. Most people want everyone to start talking again without all this stuff. Kinda like how you and I found a way to talk.

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I agree that the media coverage I have seen have gone farther than I would have expected to remain neutral.

This forum hasn't.

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Main stream media and neutral? I don't think so.

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Main stream media and neutral? I don't think so.

Then you are just not watching or biased!

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Three things the far left hate... including most of the main stream media and our current administration. Conservatives, Christians and the Constitution.

Spin it anyway you want. It's the truth.

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These are things that "liberals" hate? I actually take offense at that. I am Lutheran (and to the best of my beliefs, that is Christian), I served in the US Army during Vietnam, I have a lot of views that people might consider liberal, and I have read the US Constitution (and do not hate it at all).

I think you should just take a deep breath, pick up your 3 wood, and hit a 225 yard drive straight down the middle of Fox Run course. That will make you feel a lot better.

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Three things the far left hate... including most of the main stream media and our current administration. Conservatives, Christians and the Constitution.

Spin it anyway you want. It's the truth.

Pure unadulterated, uneducated Bull S**t.

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Three things the far left hate... including most of the main stream media and our current administration. Conservatives, Christians and the Constitution.

Spin it anyway you want. It's the truth.

"uneducated Bulls**t" is one way to describe it but I also think it is sad and even scary that anyone could be so extremely biased, and completely condemning of millions of his fellow citizens. I cannot recall reading anything this negative on TOTV. Previous statements from this poster have come close, but this is a new low. (IMHO)

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If you read carefully I said the far left.

1. The Constitution limits the size and power of government. The far left hates that and everyone knows it. I believe "they" coined the new term fetish for those who hold the Constitution dear and wanted it read in Congress... of all places. Their words not mine.

2. Christians worship a higher power, not government power. That certainly doesn't sit well with them either. No denying that the far left has been demonizing Christianity for quite some time now.

3. Why do they hate Conservatives? See 1. and 2. I believe it was Obama who said "they bring a knife to the fight and we'll bring a gun." Hum... wonder what the "neutral" media would have done if GW said that?

They bring out SP's map with crosshairs on it when the Democrats had their own map with targets on it.

Never let a crises go to waste I believe was another statement from a person on the far left.

That statement seems to be true with the far left. 48 hours ago a tragedy happened in AZ. Straight away they went after Rush, Bill O, Sean and other "Conservatives." One prominent far left journalist called them accessories to murder and the New York Times reprinted it.

When Dick Chaney was having heart problems wasn't it some in the far left media who said they hoped he would die? Wasn't their also a movie done about assenting which President?

Tell me I'm wrong.

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DKLASSEN, you are wrong.

Your posts are a waste of electrons.

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So dispute my points, are any of my examples untrue? Were they never said or never done?

Of course you would think it's out of line. It doesn't agree with the FAR LEFT point of view. I never said it was your point of view.

You said liberals... I said THE FAR LEFT. There's a difference.

Quote from TBugs before it was removed.

Furthermore, you are unwanted here.

Perfect case in point. I'm a Christian, I'm a Conservative, I love the Constitution and I disagree everything the far left has to offer.

New Quote that replaced me being "unwanted here"

Your posts are a waste of electrons.

Second case in point. Isn't that generally how the left feels about Conservative opinions or one's that differ from theirs?

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So dispute my points, are any of my examples untrue? Were they never said or never done?

Of course you would think it's out of line. It doesn't agree with the FAR LEFT point of view. I never it was your point of view

You said liberals... I said THE FAR LEFT. There's a difference.



Case in point. I'm a Christian, I'm a Conservative and I love the Constitution

I have read your posts for a long time. It would be pretty accurate to say you classify anyone less conservative than Barry Goldwater and Jack Kemp as a member of the "far left". That's millions of your fellow citizens, together the vast majority of our nation. Take a look back at your posts. You angrily rant at anything "liberal". There is no one else here on TOTV who's views are this extreme. They represent very obvious and deep prejudice. Be a Christian man enough to take a good look at your anger, distrust and disrespect of so many other people.

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It would be pretty accurate to say you classify anyone less conservative than Barry Goldwater and Jack Kemp as a member of the "far left".

Good one... but inaccurate in your assumption. I was very specific in my post. Others choose to attack me in a very hateful way. But that's ok, it's expected for expressing a differing opinion.

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Honestly ...... many of the main stream media have taken pains appear neutral. Not watching MSNBC at night only Morning Joe. Huffington seems balanced. Some on the left want to blame the right and some on the right want to blame the left. Most people want everyone to start talking again without all this stuff. Kinda like how you and I found a way to talk.

I figured I'd find a few links that present the liberal biased reporting that has gone on in the past few days. Of course they're linked by conservative media, but who else would blow the whistle on liberal bias and spin. The words the liberals say are their own. I even included a link from Fox News resident liberal pundit Geraldo Rivera.

This is not counting a number of left wing politicians who've made accusatory statements on media broadcasts. If you like, I will link them also. I can also find newspaper columns by liberal writers if you'd like and link them. You just tell me how much convincing you need.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/crosshairs-means-pick-out-your-gun-and-go-after-them-lib-talker-bill-press-flat-out-accuses-beck-plains-rhetoric-of-being-responsible-for-violence//

http://www.breitbart.tv/cnn-reporter-palin-allowed-this-kind-of-instance-to-happen/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ny-times-krugman-blames-shooting-on-gop-hate-mongers-beck-limbaugh/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/keith-olbermann-compares-glenn-to-shooter-calls-on-beck-to-apologize-for-his-rhetoric/

http://www.breitbart.tv/msnbcs-matthews-bullies-tea-party-representative-over-tucson-shooting/

http://www.breitbart.tv/geraldo-goes-out-of-his-way-to-connect-tea-party-with-giffords-shooting/

http://www.breitbart.tv/olbermann-calls-for-calm-then-blames-republicans-beck-and-oreilly-for-tuscon-shooting/

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dklassen: You're kind of hiding behind the word "far". How would you react if someone said "The far right hates individual freedoms and have been trying to squash all dissenting opinion in the name of security"?

Would you, or would you not jump to the defense of the Rush Limbaughs of the world?

A friend of mine who could very well be considered far left it quite well versed in the Constitution and clings to it dearly. He especially has a "fetish" for the 4th & 5th Ammendments in the way that the right is *characterized* having their for the 2nd.

[That being said, I'm dismayed at the indifference *many* liberals *in Washington* display towards the 1st Ammendment]

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I agree that the media coverage I have seen have gone farther than I would have expected to remain neutral.

This forum hasn't.


GRACIE...you and Cologal should check out the New York Times which has long editorial today on Palin and how she is hiding out and talking to Beck. OR...this mornings front page of the New York Daily News showing pictures of Palin, Beck and Coulter and directly placing blame..OR have you watched CNN and Anderson Cooper who had Bill Maher on DIRECTLY correlating the shooting to ONLY right wingers.

Yes, the forum has not shown a pretty face in this thing, and I have posted a number of times saying it had nothing to do with any party and was a mentally unbalanced man..period....HOWEVER, in all fairness, the guns are truely aimed .

As I said in another post, this is a quote from the President of the United States in Philadelphia...

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’ve seen Eagles fans.”

He was speaking of Republicans who will try and defeat him when he said that....was he responsible then for any violence, say the Black Panthers practicing thuggery at the polls ?

I say NO.....he had absolutely nothing to do with that...those words did not turn those people into thugs.

The point is this was the work of ONE man....what provoked him..I have no idea, nor does anyone on here nor the editors of those newspapers. We hear this crazy rhetoric about what causes stuff all the time...who caused all the other shootings that have occured in the political realm over the years ?

BUT...it must be noted that the comment that the media has NOT twisted this is not correct at all !!

NY TIMES ARTICLE..

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/us/politics/11palin.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1294754441-kFmCM/Dd2+NArKUiNfP9Ig

NY DAILY NEWS..

http://www.nydailynews.com/

The rhetoric is not the problem...the twisting of facts and the out of context articles and comments that are used to fill up the need for 24 hour news is what prompts so much of this. We now criticize MEDIA OUTLETS for being too left..too right, etc. The media..those who we trust to bring us information and nobody talks about that...I have brought this subject up here a number of times with no luck. The media is not REPORTING..they are MAKING the news anymore.

Don't be misled however, this tragedy is being used for political purposes !

PS: You might be interested in how that bastion of good grace and non confrontational talk, Mr. Keith Olbermann handled it on MSNBC....

Olbermann Connects Giffords Shooting To Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck And Apologizes For His Own Remarks

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/keith-olbermann-special-comment-gabrielle-giffords-glenn-beck-limbaugh-2011-1#ixzz1AjutSKYU

http://www.businessinsider.com/keith-olbermann-special-comment-gabrielle-giffords-glenn-beck-limbaugh-2011-1

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If I had a dime for every time someone on the left mentioned hate speech, being selfish, not caring, no compassion, bigot, homophobe, raciest, bible clinger, accessory to murder, war mongers, wanting to starve children, don't care about the poor, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc in the context of being a Conservative I'd be a rich man. It's been going on for years and getting worse as you can see over the last few days.

Oppose the Obama agenda and you are a raciest as so many on the left have said time and time again.

The left routinely and on a daily bases attack The Constitution, Conservatives, Christians, their values, family values, on and on and on.

Here, I'll make you all feel better. Do all people on the left do those things or feel that way. Of course not.

Funny thing is you turn the tables and use the word hate in the context of the left and they blow a gasket.

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GRACIE...you and Cologal should check out the New York Times which has long editorial today on Palin and how she is hiding out and talking to Beck. OR...this mornings front page of the New York Daily News showing pictures of Palin, Beck and Coulter and directly placing blame..OR have you watched CNN and Anderson Cooper who had Bill Maher on DIRECTLY correlating the shooting to ONLY right wingers.

Yes, the forum has not shown a pretty face in this thing, and I have posted a number of times saying it had nothing to do with any party and was a mentally unbalanced man..period....HOWEVER, in all fairness, the guns are truly aimed .

As I said in another post, this is a quote from the President of the United States in Philadelphia...

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said at a Philadelphia fundraiser Friday night. “Because from what I understand folks in Philly like a good brawl. I’vie seen Eagles fans.”

He was speaking of Republicans who will try and defeat him when he said that....was he responsible then for any violence, say the Black Panthers practicing thuggery at the polls ?

I say NO.....he had absolutely nothing to do with that...those words did not turn those people into thugs.

The point is this was the work of ONE man....what provoked him..I have no idea, nor does anyone on here nor the editors of those newspapers. We hear this crazy rhetoric about what causes stuff all the time...who caused all the other shootings that have occurred in the political realm over the years ?

BUT...it must be noted that the comment that the media has NOT twisted this is not correct at all !!

NY TIMES ARTICLE..

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/us/politics/11palin.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1294754441-kFmCM/Dd2+NArKUiNfP9Ig

NY DAILY NEWS..

http://www.nydailynews.com/

The rhetoric is not the problem...the twisting of facts and the out of context articles and comments that are used to fill up the need for 24 hour news is what prompts so much of this. We now criticize MEDIA OUTLETS for being too left..too right, etc. The media..those who we trust to bring us information and nobody talks about that...I have brought this subject up here a number of times with no luck. The media is not REPORTING..they are MAKING the news anymore.

Don't be misled however, this tragedy is being used for political purposes !

PS: You might be interested in how that bastion of good grace and non confrontational talk, Mr. Keith Albertan handled it on MSNBC....

Albertan Connects Gifford's Shooting To Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck And Apologizes For His Own Remarks

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/keith-olbermann-special-comment-gabrielle-giffords-glenn-beck-limbaugh-2011-1#ixzz1AjutSKYU

http://www.businessinsider.com/keith-olbermann-special-comment-gabrielle-giffords-glenn-beck-limbaugh-2011-1

Bucco....with all due respect I have made every effort to say clear of this finger pointing thing from the get go. In my post I clearly said I was NOT watching MSNBC, did ya miss that part? I am NOT watching cause I didn't want to hear it. I have a NUT app on my Phone and may have read that article. I was very careful to call out what I had been watching.

Some people are talking about the tone however, most agree we will most likely never know if this guy was influenced by anything other than his mental instability.

We can agree that posts on this forum regarding this issue are an indication of the larger problem.

So just for fun who said....

"Don't retreat Reload"
"We may have to use a 2nd Amendment remedy"

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If you read carefully I said the far left.

1. The Constitution limits the size and power of government. The far left hates that and everyone knows it. I believe "they" coined the new term fetish for those who hold the Constitution dear and wanted it read in Congress... of all places. Their words not mine.

2. Christians worship a higher power, not government power. That certainly doesn't sit well with them either. No denying that the far left has been demonizing Christianity for quite some time now.

3. Why do they hate Conservatives? See 1. and 2. I believe it was Obama who said "they bring a knife to the fight and we'll bring a gun." Hum... wonder what the "neutral" media would have done if GW said that?

They bring out SP's map with crosshairs on it when the Democrats had their own map with targets on it.

Never let a crises go to waste I believe was another statement from a person on the far left.

That statement seems to be true with the far left. 48 hours ago a tragedy happened in AZ. Straight away they went after Rush, Bill O, Sean and other "Conservatives." One prominent far left journalist called them accessories to murder and the New York Times reprinted it.

When Dick Chaney was having heart problems wasn't it some in the far left media who said they hoped he would die? Wasn't their also a movie done about assenting which President?

Tell me I'm wrong.

As a recovering Catholic who grew up in the 50's.....I saw what the "Christians" say about JFK, heck my nephew ran for public office in the 70's and was labeled a papist. Do you remember the signs during the civil rights fight that says the bible says "Don't mix the tribes?"

The Westboro Church people are "Christian"......

And then there is that really good Christian who walked into a church pulled out a gun and shot a doctor point blank in the head.

We all have our dark sides......

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Bucco....with all due respect I have made every effort to say clear of this finger pointing thing from the get go. In my post I clearly said I was NOT watching MSNBC, did ya miss that part? I am NOT watching cause I didn't want to hear it. I have a NUT app on my Phone and may have read that article. I was very careful to call out what I had been watching.

Some people are talking about the tone however, most agree we will most likely never know if this guy was influenced by anything other than his mental instability.

We can agree that posts on this forum regarding this issue are an indication of the larger problem.

So just for fun who said....

"Don't retreat Reload"
"We may have to use a 2nd Amendment remedy"

JUST FOR FUN ?

Sorry...find nothing funny about any of this !!

I was not talking ABOUT YOU...it is not always about you...I merely made the suggestion to those who posted and felt the media was being fair, that is not the case. This was not aimed at YOU nor anyone else...simply replying to those of you who say the media is not bias on this tragedy. All ? No...the big ones are not hiding it and are in a frenzy to attack and make poltiical points

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JUST FOR FUN ?

Sorry...find nothing funny about any of this !!

I was not talking ABOUT YOU...it is not always about you...I merely made the suggestion to those who posted and felt the media was being fair, that is not the case. This was not aimed at YOU nor anyone else...simply replying to those of you who say the media is not bias on this tragedy. All ? No...the big ones are not hiding it and are in a frenzy to attack and make poltiical points

Bucco.....you quoted my post. That is why I responded.

I had a typo....the app on my IPhone is for the New York Times so I might have read that article. Yes the media is talking about the political climate but most everyone, I even watched Fox News interview the Sheriff, is being very careful to state this probably had nothing to do with this tragedy.

Now in your post you used the Presidents knife vs gun quote.....you did not include the other 2 quotes.

So think of this .The Dems, as pointed out on this site used a target in 2004, Palin used the crosshairs of a gun with the candidates names and then someone running against, the now wounded Congresswomen, invited people to a firing range during the campaign. That progression is terrifying......

I am in NO WAY saying this shooter is anything but mentally unstable but think about that progression.

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Hum... Far left?

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/wp-content/images2009/IMG_2416small.JPG

TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT ALL THE PHOTOS ON THIS PAGE.

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

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Hum... Far left?

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/wp-content/images2009/IMG_2416small.JPG

TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT ALL THE PHOTOS ON THIS PAGE.

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

This link should be a thread all it's own and it should immediately shut up every deranged Bush-hater who is now trying to place blame for the Arizona shootings on Palin or Limbaugh or on some other political enemy of the month.

Of course it won't, because liberals are usually shameless hypocrites and I don't expect that to change soon.

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This is now officially pointless. We all hated Bush/Cheney and were praying for their deaths. Oh wait we don't pray I forgot. We are now talking to agents of the dark side to perform heinous rituals which will bring forth plagues/destruction etc so that the Christians think it's the 2nd coming. Then Obama can assend as the anti Christ and you can all collectively say:


I TOLD YOU SO

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Nice spin though. The discussion only ever becomes pointless when the argument has been made and cannot be refuted. Wonder what the reaction would be from a few here if it was tea party folks carrying signs like that against Obama? Something tells me the discussion would no longer be pointless.

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This is now officially pointless. We all hated Bush/Cheney and were praying for their deaths. Oh wait we don't pray I forgot. We are now talking to agents of the dark side to perform heinous rituals which will bring forth plagues/destruction etc so that the Christians think it's the 2nd coming. Then Obama can assend as the anti Christ and you can all collectively say:


I TOLD YOU SO

I wasn't pointing at you and don't know what your objection to undeniable evidence of left-wing hate is. The conservatives did not start this debate in the media, but are only responding to it.

But in making fanciful and hallucinatory references as you've done in this post is supposed to ridicule the truth and the evidence presented ........... well, I thought you better than that.

You also ignored my previous post in which I linked many instances of left wing media's blame game and I can link a dozen more easily. But then again, what could you say, except "you're right".

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Bucco.....you quoted my post. That is why I responded.

I had a typo....the app on my IPhone is for the New York Times so I might have read that article. Yes the media is talking about the political climate but most everyone, I even watched Fox News interview the Sheriff, is being very careful to state this probably had nothing to do with this tragedy.

Now in your post you used the Presidents knife vs gun quote.....you did not include the other 2 quotes.

So think of this .The Dems, as pointed out on this site used a target in 2004, Palin used the crosshairs of a gun with the candidates names and then someone running against, the now wounded Congresswomen, invited people to a firing range during the campaign. That progression is terrifying......

I am in NO WAY saying this shooter is anything but mentally unstable but think about that progression.

It does not appear to me that everyone is being careful at all. I am sad and sickened by what has happened. I had hoped everyone would realize that this was a lone sick man but not so....

Even in England...

"How America's elite hijacked a massacre to take revenge on Sarah Palin"

The UK Mail is surely not a conservative site, but they continue after that headline...

"Gabrielle Giffords was a Democrat and much - but not all - of the badly spelt, incoherent YouTube jumble that passed for the politics of her attacker was broadly ‘Right-wing’.

As a result, many liberal *commentators and establishment figures have leapt at the opportunity to blame conservative politicians.

The rush to make political capital out of a mass shooting shows just how nasty U.S. *politics has become. Under Barack Obama, America is more polarised than it has been for 40 years."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1345952/Arizona-shooting-Americas-elite-hijacked-massacre-revenge-Sarah-Palin.html


I am so saddened and sick by all of this. I initially felt as Gracie did...the forum was bad but the media was doing ok...but as the days go on, and I read quite a bit in a day....the march is consistent, the same, and appears to be together. As others have pointed out, there were no worries by anyone when Bush was potrayed as a Nazi on a daily basis in NYC central park, nor when the "Kill Bush" signs came out plus so much other stuff...it appears that kind of hate is ok....I dont get it and I am so disgusted by it all.

How we allow the media to pick based on political orientation what the news will be is just insulting. I thought the election of 2008 was terrible but this is beginning to edge on bizarre and crazy !

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And now Sen. Bernie Sanders has sent out a fundraising letter to profit from these shootings.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/sanders-fundraises-arizona-murders_533487.html

Is there no shame?

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Maybe this point has been made and I may have missed it in the copious and dense fog of heavy crossfire concerning the culpability of the Tea Party and its advocates. A fact, based on evidence available at this time, has identified Loughner's obsession with Congresswoman Giffords dating back to 2007. The Tea Party movement began ......when? Right.....well after 2007.

My heart grieves with the nation over the unspeakable tragedy in Arizona. While I admire those who can rise above the emotions this human tragedy evokes and who can express themselves with aloof, dispassionate indifference while suggesting those with fire in the belly react with the same passively cold logic, I finally take exception. I have tried so hard to remain an objective observer to the debate like some have suggested in this forum, but alas, I cannot. I cannot standby while those with selfish motivation and malice, use this tragedy employing sinister, calculated rhetoric to suppress the right of political expression and dissent by those who disagree with the government's current agenda. History tells us what can happen when good people remain passive and mute.

I was first struck by the differences in the way the Obama administration and the main stream media reacted to this unspeakably tragic mass murder and the way they reacted when Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a Muslim of Palestinian decent murdered 12 American soldiers, 1 civilian and wounded 30 others at Ft. Hood. After the slaughter, "Yemen-based cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, quickly declared Hasan a hero, as "fighting against the U.S. army is an Islamic duty", (Wikipedia)

My recollection is that we were asked to suppress our reaction to a clearly terrorist assassination of Americans. We were nudged into passive acceptance and encouraged to throttle back our outrage because it might upset good "Muslims". Now, with limited exception, the media, including the NY Times have stretched the fact pattern to suggest and imply by innuendo, right wing, Republican, Tea Party and Sarah Palin culpability for the tragedy. Bernie Sanders, as astutely noted by Number 6, is using the tragedy in a despicable fund raising effort to fight Republicans. Did any member of Congress call for a fund to fight Islamic terrorism? Why do "good" Muslims get a pass and "good" , patriotic Americans get the blame? Why does an actual act of terrorism at Ft. Hood get "kid glove" treatment by the media and the White House and the Tea Party and Sarah get the back of the hand and an obligatory nod with the wink of the eye meaning "go get them?"

I apologize for reacting with my gut instead of passive objectivity and distressing those with an insidious agenda. Naaaay....I take the apology back. As Teddy Roosevelt once wrote,

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”

With passionate intention, I reject the passive acceptance of any attempt to suppress the freedom of expression by any party. I categorically reject the calculated, subtle, relentless assault on our First Amendment rights by those who feel it stands in the way of their power, control and influence in the politcal arena.

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I wasn't pointing at you and don't know what your objection to undeniable evidence of left-wing hate is. The conservatives did not start this debate in the media, but are only responding to it.

But in making fanciful and hallucinatory references as you've done in this post is supposed to ridicule the truth and the evidence presented ........... well, I thought you better than that.

You also ignored my previous post in which I linked many instances of left wing media's blame game and I can link a dozen more easily. But then again, what could you say, except "you're right".

Richie....I didn't point anything at you.

I will admit to being totally frustrated which is what prompted my post.


When this terrible event began I was so saddened I didn't post anything. I did admonish those who were trying to play the blame game and I still hold that opinion. However, if you look at my 2 previous posts in this thread hopefully you will see where I was coming from and why I gave up.....

Yes the where and are Bush haters on the left, I admit to being really pi**ed about the election and totally over the top the war. Does that make me a Bush hater? I would say for every Bush hater then there are an equal number of Obama haters now. So I said "We both have our dark sides"

I talked about the progression from the Democratic targets, to the Palin cross-hairs, to the campaign shooting range rally and how freighting that is. No one has even attempted to have a discussion about that....

I would have been as upset had this been a Repub, although it was more difficult because it was a woman to me personally.

If people want to have a open and honest discussion about issues I am game but if all we are going to do is mark our territory or say but you did it to then its hopeless.

I'll get off my soap box now...hope you are warmer than I am cause it is PDC here in Toledo, OH.

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Cologal, I know you grieve over this senseless tragedy and I grieve along with you. Things like this should not happen, but they'll always be homicidal nuts around.

It was just that the blame game was on before the dust cleared. People was just minding their own business when all of a sudden they are being blamed for provoking the actions of a evil miscreant, just so a twisted political victory of some sort could be attained.

I still firmly believe that this type of bulls**t is perpetrated far more by the Liberals than the Republicans. I can't even remember a case like this involving Republicans blaming Democrats/Liberals in a similar instance, but I can name more examples involving Liberals.

I know you try hard not to be included in any of this and I respect that; and only post my thoughts in the hope that you and others like you wake up to the travesty of the liberal media response to this.

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Cologal, I know you grieve over this senseless tragedy and I grieve along with you. Things like this should not happen, but they'll always be homicidal nuts around.

It was just that the blame game was on before the dust cleared. People was just minding their own business when all of a sudden they are being blamed for provoking the actions of a evil miscreant, just so a twisted political victory of some sort could be attained.

I still firmly believe that this type of bulls**t is perpetrated far more by the Liberals than the Republicans. I can't even remember a case like this involving Republicans blaming Democrats/Liberals in a similar instance, but I can name more examples involving Liberals.

I know you try hard not to be included in any of this and I respect that; and only post my thoughts in the hope that you and others like you wake up to the travesty of the liberal media response to this.


During this period I totally stayed away from the prime MSNBC hours because of their bent. CNN, NBC and PBS discussed only the political tone being very careful. FOX news started after the sheriff but even she backed down when, I believe, she saw him as a honest man not trying to flame any passions.

Even O'Reilley said something about the tone and how it had to be addressed.

Thanks for the post.....

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First of all, I personally would love to see more quality and reasonable debate on issues.

Secondly, the media STILL TO THIS DAY continue their assault...still maintain that this horrible shooting was a result of strong language by political debate.

This is more realistic..this article reviews what happened from day one....

"The dominant storyline in the press—one that persisted in the face of all the facts—was that right-wing hysteria and lunacy had given rise to Loughner’s atrocity. "

The author referred to President Obama's speech and comments that the onslaught and attacks should stop....it has not, at least not from where I am sitting. Now the media begins their discourse with AN ASSUMPTION that we all know that is how it started.

"Let’s go back to this Saturday. When news of the incident first broke, bloggers began to speculate that this was a Tea Party-related incident. No evidence of that emerged. Once a little more information trickled out, The New York Times and other outlets linked Loughner to a far-right publication called American Renaissance. That likewise had no basis in fact. Over the next day or two, as Loughner turned out to give off numerous indications of mental illness but very few of right-wing ideology, the dominant analysis became, “Okay maybe this guy was nuts, but, still, he was at least indirectly a product of a climate of political hysteria.”

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/81485/how-the-media-botched-the-arizona-shooting

It mentions that on Monday, the New York Times actually used the word LEGITIMATE to describe the holding of the right wing...ALL right wing as responsible for this vile act.

This is a great article, and holds the media's feet to the fire and they deserve it, HOWEVER, as I type this there is reporting going on ASSUMING this was the fault of right wing folks.

No matter how well the President handled this event the other night, the Obermann's and the Matthew's of the world continue and it is now something that is accepted, much like everything bad was assumed about George Bush.

The media controls us....if you read any of the comments on this forum during the campaign, the election and the last two years, you read so much of a echo of what the media types tell us,and not what we actually feel.

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read the ever increasing amount of information about this man's past and background and very easily conclude his problem(s) are/were not politically driven.

Using the media's and some posters approach we could conclude that if he drove a red car the source of the problems were the color red in origin.

There was no mention of politics or affiliation when he struck terror in the minds and hearts of his fellow students in school.

The real issue, AGAIN, is that he was ALLOWED to continue without proper authorities taking action. He was a KNOWN future liability. Society chose to not pursue.

At some point, hopefully, real rational thinking will dis-allow the need to have to fit happenings with one political label or another.

btk

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What does this say to you exactly?

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No basis, no thought, no point!

btk

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http://i.imgur.com/carF0.jpg


I rest my case and thank you very much for making that case for me !!!!