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missyomama
06-08-2024, 10:52 AM
Are there things we can do to conserve energy in this extreme heat?
Should we leave garage doors open or closed and if we have attic stairs should we pull them open to let heat escape from the attic?
retiredguy123
06-08-2024, 11:01 AM
Neither of those things will help much to reduce your electricity cost. The best thing you can do is to add blown-in insulation to the attic space above the conditioned areas, especially if your existing insulation has settled to an inadequate thickness. Some people think adding insulation above unconditioned spaces, like the garage, will save energy, but it really doesn't help much, if at all.
Another idea is to buy a portable AC unit (floor standing) to use in the bedroom at night, so you can reduce the thermostat setting, assuming there is no need to cool the rest of the house.
ThirdOfFive
06-08-2024, 12:32 PM
Are there things we can do to conserve energy in this extreme heat?
Should we leave garage doors open or closed and if we have attic stairs should we pull them open to let heat escape from the attic?
Just got back from walking six miles. Publix at the halfway point--a quick bottle of ice-cold Gold Peak unsweetened tea and I'm all primed for the last three-mile stretch. We come from Minnesota: 72 years of living on Da Tundra up there entitles me to all the Florida sun I can get!
MplsPete
06-08-2024, 12:35 PM
Another idea is to buy a portable AC unit (floor standing) to use in the bedroom at night, so you can reduce the thermostat setting, assuming there is no need to cool the rest of the house.
I have owned many window AC units and one floor standing unit. In the floor standing units, there is a fundamental inefficiency, and I cannot recommend them. If you are standing outside, you can feel hot air blowing out the exhaust vent. The origin of the air used to produce this hot air is the inside of the room. Thus, the unit is creating a vacuum inside the room; air infiltrates from outside into the room to reduce the vacuum. It's like running AC with the window open. Window units do not suffer from this flaw.
callalily
06-08-2024, 12:41 PM
Neither of those things will help much to reduce your electricity cost. The best thing you can do is to add blown-in insulation to the attic space above the conditioned areas, especially if your existing insulation has settled to an inadequate thickness. Some people think adding insulation above unconditioned spaces, like the garage, will save energy, but it really doesn't help much, if at all.
Another idea is to buy a portable AC unit (floor standing) to use in the bedroom at night, so you can reduce the thermostat setting, assuming there is no need to cool the rest of the house.
I've slept with a free standing AC unit. It was incredibly noisy.
I got ecobee smart sensors from Amazon a few months ago. They have made a big difference in temperature control in my house. I have been able to set the thermostat a degree or two over what it was before because I have better control of the temperature in individual rooms. The smart sensors act as thermostats and motion sensors for individual rooms or spaces. You can program your ecobee thermostat to pay attention to the specific space or spaces you want at different times of the day. At night, my thermostat only pays attention to the temperature in my bedroom and cools accordingly. If the smart sensors don't detect movement, they don't switch on the AC as quickly as if they do detect movement, so the AC doesn't cycle as often.
golfing eagles
06-08-2024, 02:16 PM
Are there things we can do to conserve energy in this extreme heat?
Should we leave garage doors open or closed and if we have attic stairs should we pull them open to let heat escape from the attic?
Extreme heat?????
This is the norm, welcome to Florida.
Gpsma
06-08-2024, 02:58 PM
Conserve energy!
You dont live in the north anymore where the electric company was incapable of providing juice in a heat wave.
Florida is a comstant heat wave.
Sit back nd lower your themostat. Gotta get out of those old north habits
DrMack
06-08-2024, 03:03 PM
Stay cool, stay hydrated and stay out of the heat. If you are exposed for lengthy time periods, rehydrate quickly and enjoy a good book in the AC for a while. This heat can be dangerous for the elderly and I’m including myself. No one is immune to heatstroke.
Badger 2006
06-08-2024, 03:05 PM
Just got back from walking six miles. Publix at the halfway point--a quick bottle of ice-cold Gold Peak unsweetened tea and I'm all primed for the last three-mile stretch. We come from Minnesota: 72 years of living on Da Tundra up there entitles me to all the Florida sun I can get!
Good plan! Wisconsin transplant and now an 18 year Villager. Most important fact to remember, YOU DON’T SHOVEL HUMIDITY!!!!
Stu from NYC
06-08-2024, 03:10 PM
Look at the bright side will cool off in October
vintageogauge
06-08-2024, 05:51 PM
I have owned many window AC units and one floor standing unit. In the floor standing units, there is a fundamental inefficiency, and I cannot recommend them. If you are standing outside, you can feel hot air blowing out the exhaust vent. The origin of the air used to produce this hot air is the inside of the room. Thus, the unit is creating a vacuum inside the room; air infiltrates from outside into the room to reduce the vacuum. It's like running AC with the window open. Window units do not suffer from this flaw.
We run one in our enclosed lanai and I find it very efficient it cools the room down rapidly. My only complaint is that it is loud.
asianthree
06-08-2024, 05:58 PM
Flipped on the Pool Chiller this morning.
Pool water 94 degrees at 7am By 10am a very comfortable 79 to swim laps.
Modern tech is so worth it.
ThirdOfFive
06-08-2024, 07:15 PM
Back in the day (University days 1970, to be exact) we had a one-room apartment on the second floor above a Western Auto store. About the size of a telephone booth. Got hot up there in July and August. There was a place you could buy these blocks of ice: put one of them in a plastic tub, turn the fan on it and Presto! Air conditioning! Good for a couple of hours anyway.
Stu from NYC
06-08-2024, 08:57 PM
Flipped on the Pool Chiller this morning.
Pool water 94 degrees at 7am By 10am a very comfortable 79 to swim laps.
Modern tech is so worth it.
Didnt know there was such a thing. Our local pool does get rather warm in this weather. Thought of bringing about 1000 pounds of ice with me one day
tophcfa
06-08-2024, 09:33 PM
Flipped on the Pool Chiller this morning.
Pool water 94 degrees at 7am By 10am a very comfortable 79 to swim laps.
Modern tech is so worth it.
The solar on our pool is turned off and the water hasn’t gotten above 87 during the hottest time of the day, and we have southwest exposure? The chiller sounds nice, but not really necessary. That being said, I swam laps Friday evening at the La Hacienda sports pool and the water was pretty warm and looking a little greenish. After a half mile, I bagged the swim and went home to finish my swim tethered to the super swim pro (which is nice, but not the same as swimming in a regulation 25 yard pool). The sports pools can get pretty nasty this time of the year with the masses of people participating in group activities while drenched in suntan lotion.
PugMom
06-09-2024, 04:18 AM
Back in the day (University days 1970, to be exact) we had a one-room apartment on the second floor above a Western Auto store. About the size of a telephone booth. Got hot up there in July and August. There was a place you could buy these blocks of ice: put one of them in a plastic tub, turn the fan on it and Presto! Air conditioning! Good for a couple of hours anyway.
now THAT is know-how! kudos on something i'd never think of. as for the OP stating leaving gargage doors open, i removed a 4ft black racer from the lanai. it must've snuck in while the door was propped open for unloading packages.
Rwirish
06-09-2024, 05:10 AM
Way too hot? You are kidding correct? You moved to Florida and enjoy it. Can get all the cold and snow you want up north.
rustyp
06-09-2024, 05:22 AM
53 degrees in my neck of the woods yesterday. Smell of wood stoves around the lake. Doesn't get any better than this.
bowlingal
06-09-2024, 05:43 AM
Missy, I open my garage door, the window, and also my back door and it creates a nice flow thru breeze. Yes. critters get in, but they will get in anyway ( the smallest of cracks). i have a full size freezer in the garage, so I want to keep the heat down as much as possible, and it works out fine
GizmoWhiskers
06-09-2024, 05:45 AM
Extreme heat?????
This is the norm, welcome to Florida.
This is not the norm for Florida if one has lived most of their life in FL.
The weather industry has created a NEW term, "heat dome" for what we are experiencing. They have created many new terms that coincide with the experimental weather engineering they are currently doing world wide to "dim" the sun.
The spraying of stratospheric aerosol injections amungst other nifty government projects are creating climate change for an earth that used to have natural changes in climate.
How cute that the weather industry pacifies us with new terms such as "heat dome" and new cloud names.
FL used to get pretty hot in late July to Aug, not Feb to Dec. We used to have rain from March to September to counter the heat. FL is baren dry now.
FL was never like AZ which it is now. It saddens me to see all the dying Palm Trees. FL used to get so much rain fungus was the threat for killing ones lawn not severe drought.
Now, with cloud seeding and other governmental experimentation we get rain seemingly when it's our turn. HAARP and other methods have been creating some intense weather in the country and world-wide. Ask Dubai and San Francisco about cloud seeding floods.
The Villages will eventually get to see some rain as the weather industry let's us know the new term for the extreme rain we will be getting. Perhaps they will name it "Golf Rain" in honor of The Villages lol.
What is a heat dome? (https://www.clickorlando.com/weather/2024/06/05/what-is-a-heat-dome/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=snd&utm_content=wkmg6&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3G4hwHo6vRzZExbZz39ly2R UMfhug1_6WGx5Pw8FEtiPNkfNxLZMbZGSo_aem_Adp7E94VGK3 cfQB4V2mb6Wd-fRDps-G8fT4HwB2HHc66OAhaVXeUSKyZgUtfAC4JJzaZT6r4Hf1g4OfS ED6tf-x6)
sdm1222
06-09-2024, 05:56 AM
Wait until summer hits, and the humidity and bugs that come with it. In December all will go away, until April.
ChrisTinaBruce
06-09-2024, 06:28 AM
I’ve worked for a few of the largest building products manufacturers since 1993 and fortunate to have sat in on LEEDS, HUD, & DOE seminars.
The greatest return on your money is soffit and peak roof air exchange and attic insulation. Think of the interior of your home as a sealed unit and your attic is a tremendous heat source. Typically, I recommend the homeowners rent the machine at Home Depot and blow their own additional insulation and I’m sure their services The Villages.
HUD recommend a 40 to 50 R-value for the attic which is 20 to 25 inches at the time of installation. The second step which most people neglect is the airflow from the soffits to the peaks of your roof (gable vents &/or vents). Just adding gable vents &/or power vents It’s not enough as you can only extract as much air to pump in. Therefore, you need to add additional soffit vents. Which I can tell you from 30 years experience I’ve never seen anything but custom energy, energy minded builders ever put enough soffit vents.
coleprice
06-09-2024, 06:32 AM
Leaving your attic stairs down and garage door open with screens across the front after it cools in the evening will help cool your attic. Then, put a ceiling fan above your bed and run it at a comfortable setting. Ceiling fans are quiet and use very little energy.
flash4353
06-09-2024, 06:35 AM
You could always hold hands with your neighbors, chant and sing kumbaya.
retiredguy123
06-09-2024, 06:46 AM
Leaving your attic stairs down and garage door open with screens across the front after it cools in the evening will help cool your attic. Then, put a ceiling fan above your bed and run it at a comfortable setting. Ceiling fans are quiet and use very little energy.
Sounds good, but does it really make a significant difference in your electric bill? To me, ceiling fans are just annoying and don't provide any temperature reduction. Also, leaving your garage attic stairs down is a code violation and can cause a fire in the garage to spread quickly to the rest of the house.
Bill14564
06-09-2024, 07:02 AM
Sounds good, but does it really make a significant difference in your electric bill? To me, ceiling fans are just annoying and don't provide any temperature reduction. Also, leaving your garage attic stairs down is a code violation and can cause a fire in the garage to spread quickly to the rest of the house.
Ceiling fans make a noticeable difference in the comfort of a room. I feel I can set my thermostat two or three degrees higher and still be comfortable if I have fan running.
There is nothing in the fan itself to cool the room; if anything, there is a little heat generated by the motor. Where the ceiling fan helps is in circulating and mixing the air. There are no hot spots at the ceiling and cold spots on the floor; instead, all the air is a more uniform temperature. The walls and ceiling of the room stay cooler because the air does not become as warm and therefore they do not radiate as much heat. And, the slight breeze over your skin makes you feel cooler.
I like the idea of running the fan in reverse to push air towards the ceiling. We feel the breeze more at the edges of the room (where the chairs are anyway) and the breeze is less than of the fan was blowing directly on us. I use the lowest setting; I'm just trying to move the air, not cause a wind.
ThirdOfFive
06-09-2024, 07:06 AM
53 degrees in my neck of the woods yesterday. Smell of wood stoves around the lake. Doesn't get any better than this.
But...how are the skeeters?
asianthree
06-09-2024, 07:15 AM
The solar on our pool is turned off and the water hasn’t gotten above 87 during the hottest time of the day, and we have southwest exposure? The chiller sounds nice, but not really necessary. That being said, I swam laps Friday evening at the La Hacienda sports pool and the water was pretty warm and looking a little greenish. After a half mile, I bagged the swim and went home to finish my swim tethered to the super swim pro (which is nice, but not the same as swimming in a regulation 25 yard pool). The sports pools can get pretty nasty this time of the year with the masses of people participating in group activities while drenched in suntan lotion.
Depending on which Hayward package your pool company puts in, the chiller can be part of the package.
In my app the chiller has set points, just like heat. I didn’t think we would use it, but I am so happy chiller is part of our equipment options when I want to turn on. Yesterday I programmed auto Chill to keep temp at 79.
I am using liquid solar cover, which kept my winter temp loss of about 3-5 degrees overnight, even when temps dropped below 45. :cold: Not sure how the cover will help for summer but am keeping stats for the first year.
I will say the product “Pepper” has maintained my ph levels, and cell has stayed very mineral free for longer than i expected. My swim pro is still up north, so I have reverted to my old tether. Not as efficient, by mile 4 I just listen to music and no longer care.
sallyg
06-09-2024, 07:22 AM
Might help a little, but it's only June. Not that hot yet.
Ponygirl
06-09-2024, 07:32 AM
Another way to reduce heat in attic and energy costs is to install new technology roof shingles that have reflective granules to reflect suns heat and reduce energy costs
By replaced my roof with Atlas Pinnacle Sun roof shingles several months ago. Roof guys only ones who installed new technology shingles
I have seen reduced energy costs
Would be great if we could install white reflective roof shingles but we have to stick with the required colors
RRGuyNJ
06-09-2024, 07:40 AM
I've slept with a free standing AC unit. It was incredibly noisy.
I got ecobee smart sensors from Amazon a few months ago. They have made a big difference in temperature control in my house. I have been able to set the thermostat a degree or two over what it was before because I have better control of the temperature in individual rooms. The smart sensors act as thermostats and motion sensors for individual rooms or spaces. You can program your ecobee thermostat to pay attention to the specific space or spaces you want at different times of the day. At night, my thermostat only pays attention to the temperature in my bedroom and cools accordingly. If the smart sensors don't detect movement, they don't switch on the AC as quickly as if they do detect movement, so the AC doesn't cycle as often.
We have the Ecobee thermostat primarily for the ability to control via WIFI when we are away and monitor the home temperature.
It came with one room semsor which we put in the livingroom. So according to Ecobee, if the living room needs more AC or Heat it will sense the need and condition that space. That is completely false. The system is NOT a zoned system. If the system runs enough to keep the living room cool, then the rest of the house is getting cooled or heated just like the living room is. I can't believe people fall for this.
I do notice with the Ecobee savings system turned on (not sure what the proper name is) where the temp may be allowed to rise slightly if the humidity is below a certain level will make the house feel muggy and uncomfortable. The first time it happened I thought the HVAC was faulty. So that gets shut off quite a bit.
nn0wheremann
06-09-2024, 07:57 AM
Are there things we can do to conserve energy in this extreme heat?
Should we leave garage doors open or closed and if we have attic stairs should we pull them open to let heat escape from the attic?
Yes, but the Attis stairs allow air to enter the attic to promote venting the superheated air up there to vent through the roof vents.
Bill14564
06-09-2024, 08:06 AM
Yes, but the Attis stairs allow air to enter the attic to promote venting the superheated air up there to vent through the roof vents.
There ought to be enough venting for the attic through the soffits around the house. Opening the stairs in the garage might make the garage feel cooler since that warm air will be able to rise and draw in outside air that might possibly be cooler.
rustyp
06-09-2024, 08:28 AM
But...how are the skeeters?
1 Too cold for skeeters
2 Been very dry spring - very low hatch
3 Smoke from wood stoves keep the skeeters away
ThirdOfFive
06-09-2024, 08:33 AM
1 Too cold for skeeters
2 Been very dry spring - very low hatch
3 Smoke from wood stoves keep the skeeters away
I've long been a fan of wood smoke and cabins. They're common in Minnesota, particularly in the far NE and NW. Nothing quite as inducive to feeling safe and secure as a good fire in your cabin when is -30 degrees or so outside.
I do remember those mosquitoes though, not not all that fondly. they'd come out in hordes about mid-June and wax and wane over the weeks until the first week or so in September. Not one of my more pleasant memories of Minnesota.
frayedends
06-09-2024, 08:37 AM
We have the Ecobee thermostat primarily for the ability to control via WIFI when we are away and monitor the home temperature.
It came with one room semsor which we put in the livingroom. So according to Ecobee, if the living room needs more AC or Heat it will sense the need and condition that space. That is completely false. The system is NOT a zoned system. If the system runs enough to keep the living room cool, then the rest of the house is getting cooled or heated just like the living room is. I can't believe people fall for this.
I do notice with the Ecobee savings system turned on (not sure what the proper name is) where the temp may be allowed to rise slightly if the humidity is below a certain level will make the house feel muggy and uncomfortable. The first time it happened I thought the HVAC was faulty. So that gets shut off quite a bit.
Can you set the Ecobee to run the fan all the time rather than "auto"? I have the Ecobee but I'm part time down there so I haven't looked into changing anything but the temp.
In any case, my HVAC guy told me we should be keeping the fan set to "on". That keeps the air circulating through all the rooms, and therefore, the temp is the same in all rooms. Otherwise, as you noted, a small room will get very cold while the living room is just hitting the temp you set.
OrangeBlossomBaby
06-09-2024, 08:38 AM
Nonsense. Everyone knows that northerners move to Florida because of the beautiful weather.
Get out there and acclimate. It's what you paid for.
BostonRich
06-09-2024, 08:38 AM
Another way to reduce heat in attic and energy costs is to install new technology roof shingles that have reflective granules to reflect suns heat and reduce energy costs
By replaced my roof with Atlas Pinnacle Sun roof shingles several months ago. Roof guys only ones who installed new technology shingles
I have seen reduced energy costs
Would be great if we could install white reflective roof shingles but we have to stick with the required colors
Always wondered why the hell anyone in Florida would install a black roof! Surprised to see so many dark roofs being built by the developers in the new sections.
GATORBILL66
06-09-2024, 08:40 AM
This is why we all moved to Florida. Love the heat, hate the cold!
retiredguy123
06-09-2024, 08:43 AM
Ceiling fans make a noticeable difference in the comfort of a room. I feel I can set my thermostat two or three degrees higher and still be comfortable if I have fan running.
There is nothing in the fan itself to cool the room; if anything, there is a little heat generated by the motor. Where the ceiling fan helps is in circulating and mixing the air. There are no hot spots at the ceiling and cold spots on the floor; instead, all the air is a more uniform temperature. The walls and ceiling of the room stay cooler because the air does not become as warm and therefore they do not radiate as much heat. And, the slight breeze over your skin makes you feel cooler.
I like the idea of running the fan in reverse to push air towards the ceiling. We feel the breeze more at the edges of the room (where the chairs are anyway) and the breeze is less than of the fan was blowing directly on us. I use the lowest setting; I'm just trying to move the air, not cause a wind.
I don't disagree, but, to me, ceiling fans are annoying and distracting. I leave them off.
CybrSage
06-09-2024, 08:52 AM
To me, ceiling fans are just annoying and don't provide any temperature reduction.
One of the items heat transfer is dependent upon is the speed of the fluid flow of the heat sink. More flow, more heat transfer.
You are the heat source at 94F or so external temperature. Since your home is cooler, it is the heat sink. A fan increases the airflow speed, thereby increasing the heat transfer rate.
Physics says it does cool you down.
Karmanng
06-09-2024, 08:58 AM
Are there things we can do to conserve energy in this extreme heat?
Should we leave garage doors open or closed and if we have attic stairs should we pull them open to let heat escape from the attic?
I dont find these garages all very hot like you all say..........I am from AZ and some people put in insulation on the garage door and thats maybe it its no big deal and it gets way hotter there than here !!!!!
No i would not leave door open doesnt do much either plus critters come in......
Karmanng
06-09-2024, 08:59 AM
Extreme heat?????
This is the norm, welcome to Florida.
coming from ARIZONA LOL this is NOT extreme heat
retiredguy123
06-09-2024, 09:10 AM
One of the items heat transfer is dependent upon is the speed of the fluid flow of the heat sink. More flow, more heat transfer.
You are the heat source at 94F or so external temperature. Since your home is cooler, it is the heat sink. A fan increases the airflow speed, thereby increasing the heat transfer rate.
Physics says it does cool you down.
I agree that a ceiling fan will cool your body, but my point was that it doesn't cool the room or reduce the humidity. But, I still do not like ceiling fans and I don't use them. I guess it is a personal preference.
Timothyimitchell
06-09-2024, 09:14 AM
Conserve energy!
You dont live in the north anymore where the electric company was incapable of providing juice in a heat wave.
Florida is a comstant heat wave.
Sit back nd lower your themostat. Gotta get out of those old north habits
Exactly.
We are in the middle of the ocean. In the tropics. Gonna be hot.
Glowing Horizon
06-09-2024, 11:03 AM
I’ve worked for a few of the largest building products manufacturers since 1993 and fortunate to have sat in on LEEDS, HUD, & DOE seminars.
The greatest return on your money is soffit and peak roof air exchange and attic insulation. Think of the interior of your home as a sealed unit and your attic is a tremendous heat source. Typically, I recommend the homeowners rent the machine at Home Depot and blow their own additional insulation and I’m sure their services The Villages.
HUD recommend a 40 to 50 R-value for the attic which is 20 to 25 inches at the time of installation. The second step which most people neglect is the airflow from the soffits to the peaks of your roof (gable vents &/or vents). Just adding gable vents &/or power vents It’s not enough as you can only extract as much air to pump in. Therefore, you need to add additional soffit vents. Which I can tell you from 30 years experience I’ve never seen anything but custom energy, energy minded builders ever put enough soffit vents.
But what about hurricanes & wind-driven water? Better ask your insurance company before increasing soffitt vents in TV due to increased damage risk. Soffit vents are a frequent point of wind-driven water intrusion causing extensive water damage from hurricanes. Wind-driven water is one of the main threats to TV from hurricanes, besides potential tornadoes spawned.
Glowing Horizon
06-09-2024, 11:15 AM
Sounds good, but does it really make a significant difference in your electric bill? To me, ceiling fans are just annoying and don't provide any temperature reduction. Also, leaving your garage attic stairs down is a code violation and can cause a fire in the garage to spread quickly to the rest of the house.
Code violation? How can the gestapo prove WHEN you put your ladder down, why you did it, or how long they it had been down? Has there EVER been a fire which has spread more quickly due to attic stairs being left open? While this is theoretically a problem, in reality this just seems like fear-mongering.
Leaving your attic open will definitely increase the possibility of insects moving in. They don't seem to die off in high heat either—creating a whole new problem.
Glowing Horizon
06-09-2024, 11:17 AM
Are there things we can do to conserve energy in this extreme heat?
Should we leave garage doors open or closed and if we have attic stairs should we pull them open to let heat escape from the attic?
Reverse snowbird? Is that called being a sunbird?
fdpaq0580
06-09-2024, 11:34 AM
Reverse snowbird? Is that called being a sunbird?
You might be right? But, the "snow birds" fly from the snow toward the sun. So, what are the "sunbirds" trying to get away from? 🤔🤔🤔
retiredguy123
06-09-2024, 11:44 AM
Code violation? How can the gestapo prove WHEN you put your ladder down, why you did it, or how long they it had been down? Has there EVER been a fire which has spread more quickly due to attic stairs being left open? While this is theoretically a problem, in reality this just seems like fear-mongering.
Leaving your attic open will definitely increase the possibility of insects moving in. They don't seem to die off in high heat either—creating a whole new problem.
The fire code writers recognize that house fires are more likely to start in the garage. If the garage fills up with smoke, and there is no separation between the garage and the attic, the attic will quickly fill up with smoke and the smoke can permeate the entire house. Leaving the attic stairs open for an extended time period ignores and defeats the intention of the code. Obviously, the code is not perfect, but if someone dies in your house from smoke inhalation, it won't give you much satisfaction to know that you successfully violated the fire code. I would call it common sense, not fear-mongering.
Runway48
06-09-2024, 11:46 AM
You might be right? But, the "snow birds" fly from the snow toward the sun. So, what are the "sunbirds" trying to get away from? 🤔🤔🤔
There are many in TV and throughout FL. Florida residents that fly north for the summer.
Stu from NYC
06-09-2024, 11:52 AM
The fire code writers recognize that house fires are more likely to start in the garage. If the garage fills up with smoke, and there is no separation between the garage and the attic, the attic will quickly fill up with smoke and the smoke can permeate the entire house. Leaving the attic stairs open for an extended time period ignores and defeats the intention of the code. Obviously, the code is not perfect, but if someone dies in your house from smoke inhalation, it won't give you much satisfaction to know that you successfully violated the fire code. I would call it common sense, not fear-mongering.
Well said
Aces4
06-09-2024, 11:56 AM
Good plan! Wisconsin transplant and now an 18 year Villager. Most important fact to remember, YOU DON’T SHOVEL HUMIDITY!!!!
Yeah, you don't shovel humidity... you just die in it. If you can afford to live in The Villages, you surely could have afforded a snow removal company.
Wisconsin is 75 degrees, sunny and no humidity today. Can't beat that! It's always amusing to read posts trying to reassure themselves why they live full time in Florida.
Aces4
06-09-2024, 12:00 PM
Back in the day (University days 1970, to be exact) we had a one-room apartment on the second floor above a Western Auto store. About the size of a telephone booth. Got hot up there in July and August. There was a place you could buy these blocks of ice: put one of them in a plastic tub, turn the fan on it and Presto! Air conditioning! Good for a couple of hours anyway.
Things have changed a lot in 54 years. University students don't suffer for much anymore. Some parents even provide hired housekeeping services for their "kiddies".
Michael 61
06-09-2024, 12:05 PM
Summer afternoons are a great time of year in The Villages - actually forces me to stay home for a few hours and gives me a break from all my outdoor activities. Summer afternoons are a good time to work on genealogy, a jigsaw puzzle, catch up on classic movies, have friends over for cards or board games, or take a nap. If I want to get out, there is bowling, matinees at the theater, or attend a plethora of clubs at the rec centers.
Aces4
06-09-2024, 12:15 PM
Nonsense. Everyone knows that northerners move to Florida because of the beautiful weather.
Get out there and acclimate. It's what you paid for.
That's called a mental placebo, right?:clap2:
jacqueline larsen
06-09-2024, 12:19 PM
I have my thermostat set on 80. I’ve adjusted to this cooling. Occasionally I also turn on the fan above the bed.
My bill is around $100/mo for an all electric 1200 sf house.
fdpaq0580
06-09-2024, 03:05 PM
There are many in TV and throughout FL. Florida residents that fly north for the summer.
Yes. And what do we call them? "Snow birds?" Do they have a name/term?
fdpaq0580
06-09-2024, 03:23 PM
Yeah, you don't shovel humidity... you just die in it. If you can afford to live in The Villages, you surely could have afforded a snow removal company.
Wisconsin is 75 degrees, sunny and no humidity today. Can't beat that! It's always amusing to read posts trying to reassure themselves why they live full time in Florida.
Enjoy Wisconsin. I will enjoy Florida. We RV'd for many years and always missed out on summer here. Heck, we put in a pool when we bought the place and never got to use it. Finally, sold the RV and we are really getting to enjoy the pool, finally. Different strokes for ---- you know.
Aces4
06-09-2024, 03:28 PM
Enjoy Wisconsin. I will enjoy Florida. We RV'd for many years and always missed out on summer here. Heck, we put in a pool when we bought the place and never got to use it. Finally, sold the RV and we are really getting to enjoy the pool, finally. Different strokes for ---- you know.
Even better when one can enjoy both!
ThirdOfFive
06-09-2024, 03:29 PM
Yeah, you don't shovel humidity... you just die in it. If you can afford to live in The Villages, you surely could have afforded a snow removal company.
Wisconsin is 75 degrees, sunny and no humidity today. Can't beat that! It's always amusing to read posts trying to reassure themselves why they live full time in Florida.
Weather in The Villages January 2024...
Saturday Jan. 26: 75 and sunny.
Tuesday Jan. 9: 77 and partly cloudy.
Wednesday Jan. 24: 79 and partly cloudy.
Thursday Jan. 25: 81 and sunny.
Friday Jan. 26: 82 and partly cloudy.
Saturday Jan. 27: 81 and sunny.
Care to share what the temps were back in Jan. in your particular neck of the Wisconsin woods?
asianthree
06-09-2024, 04:41 PM
Weather in The Villages January 2024...
Saturday Jan. 26: 75 and sunny.
Tuesday Jan. 9: 77 and partly cloudy.
Wednesday Jan. 24: 79 and partly cloudy.
Thursday Jan. 25: 81 and sunny.
Friday Jan. 26: 82 and partly cloudy.
Saturday Jan. 27: 81 and sunny.
Care to share what the temps were back in Jan. in your particular neck of the Wisconsin woods?
I can tell you at the lake house, in MI we were in the 40s sometimes 50s, and not enough snow base to ski. Little depressing to travel north for snow, and zip. Not everyone craves hot and humidity, some of us keep northern climate homes to enjoy changing of seasons.
I do find my parents entering in their 80s still fire up the snow plow, enjoying the weather. I think the only way I am getting them in warm weather this coming winter is if their house burns down.
Kids not a fan of FL, either middle loves to ski, and skate. Oldest MN just moved to SC, and still hoping for change of seasons. Youngest in Louisville still playing hockey, and loves when that 1” of snow shutters everything
LuvNH
06-09-2024, 06:16 PM
Isn't ut about time this south vs north stopped. If you want to live in Florida then fine, if you want to spend time in the North then fine, but for goodness sake lets stop this bickering about which is best.
To each their own and let's all enjoy our personal choice.
Nana2Teddy
06-09-2024, 06:28 PM
We have 3 mini-splits, one in garage, 2 in lanai, and one of our golf carts has AC. That’s how we deal with it, lol. We only go out after sundown if we’re going to spend time outdoors, unless we’re going to the pool. In the later summer months we don’t even go to the pool as the water gets ridiculously hot and unpleasant. There’s plenty of activities we can do at home or in air conditioned rec centers. :)
BubblesandPat
06-09-2024, 07:04 PM
Weather in The Villages January 2024...
Saturday Jan. 26: 75 and sunny.
Tuesday Jan. 9: 77 and partly cloudy.
Wednesday Jan. 24: 79 and partly cloudy.
Thursday Jan. 25: 81 and sunny.
Friday Jan. 26: 82 and partly cloudy.
Saturday Jan. 27: 81 and sunny.
Care to share what the temps were back in Jan. in your particular neck of the Wisconsin woods?
I'm from NC and there were many days where it was hotter in NC than here.
We have two windows in our garage and stuck a circulating fan in one to just keep the garage air circulating.
Those of you with the pools...when you inviting me over? They dont allow late night skinny dipping in the rec center pools and that to me is the biggest reason to have your own pool..
#sojealous
miadford@gmail.com
06-09-2024, 07:24 PM
The solar on our pool is turned off and the water hasn’t gotten above 87 during the hottest time of the day, and we have southwest exposure? The chiller sounds nice, but not really necessary. That being said, I swam laps Friday evening at the La Hacienda sports pool and the water was pretty warm and looking a little greenish. After a half mile, I bagged the swim and went home to finish my swim tethered to the super swim pro (which is nice, but not the same as swimming in a regulation 25 yard pool). The sports pools can get pretty nasty this time of the year with the masses of people participating in group activities while drenched in suntan lotion.
What type of base thermostat do you have? Did you have to get a special one to work with these? Thank you?
Glowing Horizon
06-09-2024, 08:33 PM
I love conserving things whenever I can. My Dad & Mom were very frugal & (gratefully) they instilled it in me. I’ve been considering your question carefully. There are a lot of little things I change during the heat of summer. So, here’s some things which can really make a difference with little or no cost: 1) do (inside) laundry & run dishwasher after sunset or before sunrise. Dishwasher will be best set to “air dry” then crack the door after its done to allow air drying to finish. Definitely tumble dry clothes at night & clean lint trap often. 2) set thermostat a few degrees higher in the late afternoon & cooler just before bedtime. 3) use evaporative cooling on your skin 4) drink icy drinks to lower your body temp 5) go out to shop, eat or see a movie in the heat of the afternoon 6) get a cooling blanket for your chair/bed—it really works. Got mine @Costco for $16 delivered. 7) position a fan wherever you sit during the day. Turn it on you but only when you are needing to cool quickly. 8) cool your food. Hot spicy foods can heat up your perception. 9) shower before bed. Wet or damp hair cools your head—heat center. 10) dont pull a hot engine car or cart into the garage until its cooled down. 11) stay hydrated. That makes everything seem better. 12) ice your pulse points (under arms, front sides of neck, even your feet. 13) moving air feels cooler so fans can help you feel cooler even at more elevated temps. I have two in my bedroom & sleep like a baby even at 74-75. 14) change your HVAC filter more often for better efficiency. 15) get dryer vent cleaned 16) clean fridge coils.
Hope this helps give you some ideas. I would not leave garage door cracked nor would I leave attic ladder down. Too many creepy crawlies & flying nuisances.
Glowing Horizon
06-09-2024, 09:03 PM
Summer afternoons are a great time of year in The Villages - actually forces me to stay home for a few hours and gives me a break from all my outdoor activities. Summer afternoons are a good time to work on genealogy, a jigsaw puzzle, catch up on classic movies, have friends over for cards or board games, or take a nap. If I want to get out, there is bowling, matinees at the theater, or attend a plethora of clubs at the rec centers.
I, too, try to maximize whatever situation I’m in. Having to avoid being outdoors sometimes comes naturally for me so I literally keep lists on my iphone: what to do when… (it’s stinking hot, or its too cold (below 50 degrees for me) or its too late, its early AM, when I feel lonely, Favorite Things to eat at home, Places Id like to go, or things to do on Sunday to rest & observe.)
Sad fact: I am literally allergic to cold yet i lived in the Northern freezer all of my life. While Floridian heat solves almost all of my encounters, believe it or not, still not all of them. Icy a/c and frozen or icy drinks, even ice cream can be literally be life-threatening for me. I am one of the 1/2-1% odd-ball outcasts so I have to do the best with what I’ve got. Many others have much worse problems so Ive learned to accept my own limitations & make the best of it. Believe me, it does not slow me down that much. Ive had to shift to thoughts of what can I do right now rather than I can’t do this I cant do that.
Glowing Horizon
06-09-2024, 09:14 PM
The fire code writers recognize that house fires are more likely to start in the garage. If the garage fills up with smoke, and there is no separation between the garage and the attic, the attic will quickly fill up with smoke and the smoke can permeate the entire house. Leaving the attic stairs open for an extended time period ignores and defeats the intention of the code. Obviously, the code is not perfect, but if someone dies in your house from smoke inhalation, it won't give you much satisfaction to know that you successfully violated the fire code. I would call it common sense, not fear-mongering.
Ok that makes sense but it seems like you meant to say it’s not safe to leave your attic ladder open (for the very clear reasons you stated) rather than it’s a Code enforcement threat. My point being safety is a great reason to do what’s right without need for any laws enforcement. Thank you for your description of the serious hazard posed by smoke from attic openings in a garage fire. Good info indeed! 😊
Laker14
06-10-2024, 05:19 AM
Back in the day (University days 1970, to be exact) we had a one-room apartment on the second floor above a Western Auto store. About the size of a telephone booth. Got hot up there in July and August. There was a place you could buy these blocks of ice: put one of them in a plastic tub, turn the fan on it and Presto! Air conditioning! Good for a couple of hours anyway.
I was in Cincinnati during my university days, in the early '70s. Cincinnati got plenty hot and humid in the summer time. The air was none to clean either. The best way to beat the heat was 25 cents, or it might have been 30 cents, my memory is fuzzy, for a quart of Hudepohl, Wiedemann's, or Schoenling's "Big King"...ah for the days I could drink as much of that as I could afford and not get fat.
Kelevision
06-10-2024, 05:55 AM
There are many in TV and throughout FL. Florida residents that fly north for the summer.
As a Florida resident who knows many other Florida residents… nobody goes north for the summers. Yes, we own places in the mountains of GA/NC etc. but never spend more than 2 weeks at one time there.
Bill14564
06-10-2024, 06:21 AM
As a Florida resident who knows many other Florida residents… nobody goes north for the summers. Yes, we own places in the mountains of GA/NC etc. but never spend more than 2 weeks at one time there.
I know a few (or knew, some passed) who have Florida residence but travel "back home" for the summers. Essentially snowbirds who make sure they are in the right place for enough days to qualify to file in the state with the more desirable income taxes.
ThirdOfFive
06-10-2024, 06:56 AM
I love conserving things whenever I can. My Dad & Mom were very frugal & (gratefully) they instilled it in me. I’ve been considering your question carefully. There are a lot of little things I change during the heat of summer. So, here’s some things which can really make a difference with little or no cost: 1) do (inside) laundry & run dishwasher after sunset or before sunrise. Dishwasher will be best set to “air dry” then crack the door after its done to allow air drying to finish. Definitely tumble dry clothes at night & clean lint trap often. 2) set thermostat a few degrees higher in the late afternoon & cooler just before bedtime. 3) use evaporative cooling on your skin 4) drink icy drinks to lower your body temp 5) go out to shop, eat or see a movie in the heat of the afternoon 6) get a cooling blanket for your chair/bed—it really works. Got mine @Costco for $16 delivered. 7) position a fan wherever you sit during the day. Turn it on you but only when you are needing to cool quickly. 8) cool your food. Hot spicy foods can heat up your perception. 9) shower before bed. Wet or damp hair cools your head—heat center. 10) dont pull a hot engine car or cart into the garage until its cooled down. 11) stay hydrated. That makes everything seem better. 12) ice your pulse points (under arms, front sides of neck, even your feet. 13) moving air feels cooler so fans can help you feel cooler even at more elevated temps. I have two in my bedroom & sleep like a baby even at 74-75. 14) change your HVAC filter more often for better efficiency. 15) get dryer vent cleaned 16) clean fridge coils.
Hope this helps give you some ideas. I would not leave garage door cracked nor would I leave attic ladder down. Too many creepy crawlies & flying nuisances.
Excellent points, and post. People react to heat (and cold, too) in various ways. Just because hot and humid might suit one person doesn't mean it suits all of them.
Laker14
06-10-2024, 07:51 AM
As a Florida resident who knows many other Florida residents… nobody goes north for the summers. Yes, we own places in the mountains of GA/NC etc. but never spend more than 2 weeks at one time there.
???
I must be one of those nobodies. 4 months/year in The Finger Lakes of NY.
golfing eagles
06-10-2024, 08:06 AM
???
I must be one of those nobodies. 4 months/year in The Finger Lakes of NY.
4 months????? So in other words, you go there for the last 6 weeks of winter, catch the 10 days of spring, 5 days of summer from June 29th to July 4, 10 days of autumn and finally the first 6 weeks of winter, then return to Florida. Lived that for 30 years.
Laker14
06-10-2024, 08:42 AM
4 months????? So in other words, you go there for the last 6 weeks of winter, catch the 10 days of spring, 5 days of summer from June 29th to July 4, 10 days of autumn and finally the first 6 weeks of winter, then return to Florida. Lived that for 30 years.
You got it! People ask me if I "miss the changing of the seasons". No, I get it all in 4 months. It will soon be Spring here.
asianthree
06-10-2024, 09:02 AM
???
I must be one of those nobodies. 4 months/year in The Finger Lakes of NY.
We head out mid May to northern house, until July, then travel farther north to lake house. Watch the colors turn, then slowly travel south to KY, over to NC, SC down the coast arrive back to TV sometime in November. Half our neighbors head north so you are not alone
kingofbeer
06-10-2024, 09:12 AM
Are there things we can do to conserve energy in this extreme heat?
Should we leave garage doors open or closed and if we have attic stairs should we pull them open to let heat escape from the attic?
Do not leave the garage door open. The garages do not have any insulation in the walls from what I can tell. The inside of the garage is like a sauna. Feels like 110 degrees. Never had this garage extreme heat in any other Florida house. Must be the Villages construction practices.
golfing eagles
06-10-2024, 12:07 PM
Do not leave the garage door open. The garages do not have any insulation in the walls from what I can tell. The inside of the garage is like a sauna. Feels like 110 degrees. Never had this garage extreme heat in any other Florida house. Must be the Villages construction practices.
Which is the fault of the builder which by extension is the fault of the evil, greedy developer? Right? But there is a solution to that problem.........
retiredguy123
06-10-2024, 12:16 PM
Do not leave the garage door open. The garages do not have any insulation in the walls from what I can tell. The inside of the garage is like a sauna. Feels like 110 degrees. Never had this garage extreme heat in any other Florida house. Must be the Villages construction practices.
The walls around the garage do not have insulation because insulating an unconditioned space does nothing to cool the space. This is standard practice in the construction industry, not just Florida or The Villages. The purpose of insulation is to slow down heat transfer between a conditioned space and an unconditioned space.
Aces4
06-10-2024, 03:53 PM
Weather in The Villages January 2024...
Saturday Jan. 26: 75 and sunny.
Tuesday Jan. 9: 77 and partly cloudy.
Wednesday Jan. 24: 79 and partly cloudy.
Thursday Jan. 25: 81 and sunny.
Friday Jan. 26: 82 and partly cloudy.
Saturday Jan. 27: 81 and sunny.
Care to share what the temps were back in Jan. in your particular neck of the Wisconsin woods?
Sure, no prob…
34, 36, 37, 34, 36, 36, 37, 36, 36, 34, 32, 36, 23, 0,
0, 0, 12, 16, 9, 12, 14, 32, 36, 37, 37, 37, 39, 37, 37, 39, 43. That included two days of light snow.
Here’s February for you…
46, 41, 43, 43, 41, 45, 45, 52, 48, 39, 37, 45, 39, 45, 39, 32, 27, 39, 43, 50, 55, 55, 48, 32, 52, 57, 68, 27, 39. One day of light rain for the month.
Hope this helps you😉 and I’d like to reassure you it was easy to get around and indulge in our favorite activities with family and good friends.
As someone stated earlier, why the competition and put down of the northern states. Me thinks many protests too much to reassure themselves.
rustyp
06-10-2024, 05:02 PM
What was the heat index in Utopia today ?
Kelevision
06-10-2024, 05:17 PM
I have my thermostat set on 80. I’ve adjusted to this cooling. Occasionally I also turn on the fan above the bed.
My bill is around $100/mo for an all electric 1200 sf house.
I keep mine on 73 during the day and 72 at night and my bill has never been higher than 144 for my 1500 Sq ft home 3 year old home.
PugMom
06-11-2024, 12:42 PM
I agree that a ceiling fan will cool your body, but my point was that it doesn't cool the room or reduce the humidity. But, I still do not like ceiling fans and I don't use them. I guess it is a personal preference.
i use them to circulate air when needed, and when doing the floors, but mainly keep it off indoors. i like them on the lanai
fdpaq0580
06-11-2024, 02:14 PM
i use them to circulate air when needed, and when doing the floors, but mainly keep it off indoors. i like them on the lanai
Fan good!
Kelevision
06-11-2024, 05:32 PM
I know a few (or knew, some passed) who have Florida residence but travel "back home" for the summers. Essentially snowbirds who make sure they are in the right place for enough days to qualify to file in the state with the more desirable income taxes.
Right but those aren’t Floridians if they’re traveling back “home” during the summer. I’m talking about born and raised Floridians.
rustyp
06-11-2024, 06:07 PM
Right but those aren’t Floridians if they’re traveling back “home” during the summer. I’m talking about born and raised Floridians.
They would be Seminoles ?
Bill14564
06-11-2024, 06:20 PM
Right but those aren’t Floridians if they’re traveling back “home” during the summer. I’m talking about born and raised Floridians.
All five of them?
That might be your definition but it isn't the definition most of the rest of us use. I now consider myself a Floridian, as does the county, state, FLHSMV, and Supervisor of Elections.
sounding
07-26-2024, 09:14 AM
This is not the norm for Florida if one has lived most of their life in FL.
The weather industry has created a NEW term, "heat dome" for what we are experiencing. They have created many new terms that coincide with the experimental weather engineering they are currently doing world wide to "dim" the sun.
The spraying of stratospheric aerosol injections amungst other nifty government projects are creating climate change for an earth that used to have natural changes in climate.
How cute that the weather industry pacifies us with new terms such as "heat dome" and new cloud names.
FL used to get pretty hot in late July to Aug, not Feb to Dec. We used to have rain from March to September to counter the heat. FL is baren dry now.
FL was never like AZ which it is now. It saddens me to see all the dying Palm Trees. FL used to get so much rain fungus was the threat for killing ones lawn not severe drought.
Now, with cloud seeding and other governmental experimentation we get rain seemingly when it's our turn. HAARP and other methods have been creating some intense weather in the country and world-wide. Ask Dubai and San Francisco about cloud seeding floods.
The Villages will eventually get to see some rain as the weather industry let's us know the new term for the extreme rain we will be getting. Perhaps they will name it "Golf Rain" in honor of The Villages lol.
What is a heat dome? (https://www.clickorlando.com/weather/2024/06/05/what-is-a-heat-dome/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=snd&utm_content=wkmg6&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3G4hwHo6vRzZExbZz39ly2R UMfhug1_6WGx5Pw8FEtiPNkfNxLZMbZGSo_aem_Adp7E94VGK3 cfQB4V2mb6Wd-fRDps-G8fT4HwB2HHc66OAhaVXeUSKyZgUtfAC4JJzaZT6r4Hf1g4OfS ED6tf-x6)
Heat Domes are nothing new, they just keep expanding as cities expand. This is called UHI (Urban Heat Island) effect - which has nothing to do with climate change. Climate change alarmism is nonsense, but climate change data shows there is no climate emergency. Find out more at the Weather Club ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)
LeRoySmith
07-26-2024, 09:55 AM
The solar on our pool is turned off and the water hasn’t gotten above 87 during the hottest time of the day, and we have southwest exposure? The chiller sounds nice, but not really necessary. That being said, I swam laps Friday evening at the La Hacienda sports pool and the water was pretty warm and looking a little greenish. After a half mile, I bagged the swim and went home to finish my swim tethered to the super swim pro (which is nice, but not the same as swimming in a regulation 25 yard pool). The sports pools can get pretty nasty this time of the year with the masses of people participating in group activities while drenched in suntan lotion.
We haven't run our chiller either, water hasn't been above 90 and most of the time it's between floating between 86 and 88. I'm surprised to hear people say their water is warm.
Tyrone Shoelaces
07-26-2024, 10:00 AM
I keep mine on 73 during the day and 72 at night and my bill has never been higher than 144 for my 1500 Sq ft home 3 year old home.
That's great, I changed out my HVAC five years ago to the tune of 12 grand and my bill went down 30-40%
If people are still repairing 20 yo systems, maybe they should bite the bullet and upgrade.It starts paying you back every month
sounding
07-26-2024, 11:24 AM
We haven't run our chiller either, water hasn't been above 90 and most of the time it's between floating between 86 and 88. I'm surprised to hear people say their water is warm.
In the long-term, the pools are not as hot, because US maximum temperatures have been decreasing - not increasing like the media claims.
margaretmattson
07-26-2024, 03:27 PM
Just got back from walking six miles. Publix at the halfway point--a quick bottle of ice-cold Gold Peak unsweetened tea and I'm all primed for the last three-mile stretch. We come from Minnesota: 72 years of living on Da Tundra up there entitles me to all the Florida sun I can get!Careful! We are not as young and healthy as our minds sometimes believe. You can easily get heat exhaustion. It may be better to walk in circles around the rec centers. There are picnic tables to rest and pace yourself. Also, many people nearby if something should happen. A neighbor is a paramedic. He told us this is his busy season. Many old folks pushing their limit.
Just a friendly warning not a scolding. I would hate to see you injured. The heat can be more wicked than you imagine.
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