QC Kinetix, legitimate or snake oil?

[tophcfa]

Does anyone have any first hand experience with this company? I am intrigued, but highly skeptical. Generally, when something comes along that seems too good to be true, it’s too good to be true. I have what X-rays show to be both a bone on bone right hip and left knee, as well as bone spurs in my shoulders. It would make me extremely happy to have my old aching joints regenerate themselves, and avoid surgeries, but I don’t want to wast my time on snake oil. Any feedback from those with real experience would be greatly appreciated.

[villagetinker]

First check to see if they accept Medicare (or if Medicare accepts them), I find if the treatment is not covered by Medicare it is probably shaky. Then you can try asking your primary care doctor, and of course there are the online reviews (treat these with care).
IMHO I avoid any treatment not covered by Medicare (not including Dental, vision, etc. which are not covered at all).

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It's alternative woo. You can tell by going to their website, and looking for the "verbs in their sentences." The ONLY actual treatment they mention by name is rich-plasma treatment. They also sell their own supplements, and you can bet dollars to donuts they'll explain to you why THEIR vitamin C will be superior to anything you can get in the drug store or online, and their enteric coating is a proprietary blah blah blah....

Grab a quartz crystal, sit on a bean bag chair, and meditate for a few hours. It'll accomplish just about the same thing and will be much less expensive.

[Two Bills]

There is no potion, pill, or space ray that will counter bone on bone.
Some fillers etc. will sometimes give temporary relief.
The best joint in my body is my right knee, that was replaced some years ago.
Surgery is not always wanted, but knees and hips are so much better after having it.
Sooner rather than later.
JMO.

[golfing eagles]

Does anyone have any first hand experience with this company? I am intrigued, but highly skeptical. Generally, when something comes along that seems too good to be true, it’s too good to be true. I have what X-rays show to be both a bone on bone right hip and left knee, as well as bone spurs in my shoulders. It would make me extremely happy to have my old aching joints regenerate themselves, and avoid surgeries, but I don’t want to wast my time on snake oil. Any feedback from those with real experience would be greatly appreciated.

No experience with this particular brand of snake oil, but plenty with snake oil and snake oil sales pitches. Best advice----avoid at all costs. No different from the snake oil salespeople who pop up on TOTV from time to time----some are even "sponsors". But make no mistake, there are people out there who will shout out how great they are---similar to Jim Jones' People's Temple.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[tophcfa]

It's alternative woo. You can tell by going to their website, and looking for the "verbs in their sentences." The ONLY actual treatment they mention by name is rich-plasma treatment. They also sell their own supplements, and you can bet dollars to donuts they'll explain to you why THEIR vitamin C will be superior to anything you can get in the drug store or online, and their enteric coating is a proprietary blah blah blah....

Grab a quartz crystal, sit on a bean bag chair, and meditate for a few hours. It'll accomplish just about the same thing and will be much less expensive.

There is no potion, pill, or space ray that will counter bone on bone.
Some fillers etc. will sometimes give temporary relief.
The best joint in my body is my right knee, that was replaced some years ago.
Surgery is not always wanted, but knees and hips are so much better after having it.
Sooner rather than later.
JMO.

Just what I figured, and my replaced right knee is also the best joint in my body. The ironic thing is that I took up lap swimming to remain active and stay in shape because of bone on bone knees and hips (dam mogul skiing). Now, after swimming about 400 miles per year for several years, I have developed bone spurs in my shoulders from the repetitive motion of swimming. This getting old thing really sucks, it’s a losing battle.

[ThirdOfFive]

There is no potion, pill, or space ray that will counter bone on bone.
Some fillers etc. will sometimes give temporary relief.
The best joint in my body is my right knee, that was replaced some years ago.
Surgery is not always wanted, but knees and hips are so much better after having it.
Sooner rather than later.
JMO.
Agree.

Don't know how they do it over there, but here the annoying thing (may vary from insurance company to insurance company; I don't know) is that even if you know that surgery is the only real cure, the insurance makes you jump through some ridiculous hoops first. In my case it was (A) orthoscopic surgery to clean out some bits of grit that showed up on the x-ray, followed by (B) series of cortisone shots. Neither provided anything more than maybe a few weeks of relief. My surgeon was pretty frank about it: both treatments were nothing more than band-aids and knee replacement surgery was inevitable, but the insurance wouldn't pay unless I went through with them and they were documented not to work. I made a comment to my surgeon that the insurance company was probably hoping I'd die in the meantime, and he just laughed, but I'm not so sure I was totally wrong on that. I was in my upper 60's when I had the surgery.

The upshot was that I wasted nearly two years hobbling around on a bum knee before I finally had the surgery. Knee has been great for six years now: stands up to some pretty rigorous tennis a couple of times a week, and a six-mile walk on the other days.

[Two Bills]

Agree.

Don't know how they do it over there, but here the annoying thing (may vary from insurance company to insurance company; I don't know) is that even if you know that surgery is the only real cure, the insurance makes you jump through some ridiculous hoops first. In my case it was (A) orthoscopic surgery to clean out some bits of grit that showed up on the x-ray, followed by (B) series of cortisone shots. Neither provided anything more than maybe a few weeks of relief. My surgeon was pretty frank about it: both treatments were nothing more than band-aids and knee replacement surgery was inevitable, but the insurance wouldn't pay unless I went through with them and they were documented not to work. I made a comment to my surgeon that the insurance company was probably hoping I'd die in the meantime, and he just laughed, but I'm not so sure I was totally wrong on that. I was in my upper 60's when I had the surgery.

The upshot was that I wasted nearly two years hobbling around on a bum knee before I finally had the surgery. Knee has been great for six years now: stands up to some pretty rigorous tennis a couple of times a week, and a six-mile walk on the other days.

I paid to have my knee replaced.
Waiting time for treatment is the biggest problem with UK health system.
Very good with emergency treatment, cancers etc, but remedial surgery is a loooooong wait.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

My hip pain has actually improved in the past 1.5 years. I was looking at surgery after moving here, and for much of the following year and part of the year after that. Osteoporosis, osteopenia, osteoarthritis, and bursitis. But when I went in for a surgical consultation, the pain had subsided and the doctor said to come back when the pain came back. I'm at my limit for lifetime cortisone shots (some people can't handle more than a few total in their lives), so the next step would be a hip replacement.

I'm actually WISHING for it sooner rather than later, so that I can have it, recover, and enjoy the rest of my life without wondering if I'll be able to walk the next day or not.

[LuckyS]

I had the treatment for pain. The initial exam was a joke, the program is very pricey, no pain relief, and one of the procedures was SUPER painful.

[TeresaE]

Does anyone have any first hand experience with this company? I am intrigued, but highly skeptical. Generally, when something comes along that seems too good to be true, it’s too good to be true. I have what X-rays show to be both a bone on bone right hip and left knee, as well as bone spurs in my shoulders. It would make me extremely happy to have my old aching joints regenerate themselves, and avoid surgeries, but I don’t want to wast my time on snake oil. Any feedback from those with real experience would be greatly appreciated.

I also have bone on bone in both knees but I’m delaying the eventual knee replacements until Medicare age. I have bought myself time with a full spectrum CBD supplement I get at Banner Harvest. Also assisted stretching can help. Again, I’m just buying time.

[mdmurrell]

Medicare does pay for physical therapy. I’ve found back relief by going twice a week and then doing the assigned exercises.

[lauber]

Does anyone have any first hand experience with this company? I am intrigued, but highly skeptical. Generally, when something comes along that seems too good to be true, it’s too good to be true. I have what X-rays show to be both a bone on bone right hip and left knee, as well as bone spurs in my shoulders. It would make me extremely happy to have my old aching joints regenerate themselves, and avoid surgeries, but I don’t want to wast my time on snake oil. Any feedback from those with real experience would be greatly appreciated.

My husband went 2 years ago, and spent thousands. Waste of money and time. Had knee replacement which is perfect now. Have talked to others with the same results.

[BlackHarley]

Drink heavily.

[CybrSage]

Plasma therapy can work wonders but it is still very experimental. No one is sure yet what it works great on and what it fails on yet.

[IndianaJones]

First, if these “stem cell therapies” actually worked, don’t you think they would be in widespread use at all major medical centers? Well they’re not. Second, platelet-rich plasma (PRP) does have value as an anti-inflammatory (it works for some well, not so much for others depend on the immune response), it won’t help bone-on-bone issues. You may experience some temporary reduction in pain level but you’re not going to regenerate a new knee, shoulder, etc. Third, these treatments are NOT approved by the FDA and Medicare will not pay for them. Fourth, there are class-action lawsuits against the company - do an Internet search, you’ll find them. I’ve spoken to some folks who were treated there - the only long-term results they got were lighter wallets (treatments can run $1,000-$6,000+). Caveat emptor, as they say!

[Marmaduke]

Agree.

Don't know how they do it over there, but here the annoying thing (may vary from insurance company to insurance company; I don't know) is that even if you know that surgery is the only real cure, the insurance makes you jump through some ridiculous hoops first. In my case it was (A) orthoscopic surgery to clean out some bits of grit that showed up on the x-ray, followed by (B) series of cortisone shots. Neither provided anything more than maybe a few weeks of relief. My surgeon was pretty frank about it: both treatments were nothing more than band-aids and knee replacement surgery was inevitable, but the insurance wouldn't pay unless I went through with them and they were documented not to work. I made a comment to my surgeon that the insurance company was probably hoping I'd die in the meantime, and he just laughed, but I'm not so sure I was totally wrong on that. I was in my upper 60's when I had the surgery.

The upshot was that I wasted nearly two years hobbling around on a bum knee before I finally had the surgery. Knee has been great for six years now: stands up to some pretty rigorous tennis a couple of times a week, and a six-mile walk on the other days.
Interesting! Just yesterday, we were talking about the differences btw Medicare and Medicare Advantage Plans.

My husband just had knee replacement surgery. The Dr. met with us and we immediately scheduled it. We certainly did a lot of research 1st, but no co-pay, no waste of time.
P.T. after and it's all good. What a Blessing to have a serious surgery go so smoothly.

[Santiagogirl]

You need to keep in mind that treatments using biological materials like stem cells are not regulated by the FDA in the same way that drugs are. It's a bit like the Wild West, in terms of standardizing treatment protocols or establishing effectiveness. I've talked to some people that reported wonderful results with this type of treatment, & others who had no effect or felt worse. The only thing I know about this company is that they have good marketing.

[tophcfa]

Thanks for all the feedback, seeing the shoulder guy tomorrow and the hip guy Thursday, both surgeons from the same practice that did a great job on my right knee 13 years ago. Hopefully I can have both done within a couple weeks so I can keep the recovery/downtime to a minimum. The good news is that I’m told the hip is a picnic in the park compared to the knee, and the shoulder appears to be only grinding away bone spurs, no soft tissue repair necessary. Our daughter asked me what it’s like getting old, and the best answer I could give her is that you have to learn how to live in pain. Every day when you wake up, you wonder what part of the body is going to hurt the most today. Keep on moving : )

[retiredguy123]

You need to keep in mind that treatments using biological materials like stem cells are not regulated by the FDA in the same way that drugs are. It's a bit like the Wild West, in terms of standardizing treatment protocols or establishing effectiveness. I've talked to some people that reported wonderful results with this type of treatment, & others who had no effect or felt worse. The only thing I know about this company is that they have good marketing.
Some people will report wonderful results with any treatment for any illness. That is how companies make millions selling worthless products using only testimonials from satisfied customers. Personally, I think the FTC (Federal Trade Commission), who are supposed to police deceptive advertising, could do a better job of regulating advertising for medical treatments and dietary supplements.

[roguesearcher]

Yup

[dlspiess]

First off no insurance will pay for the procedure. We have a plan that covers alternative treatment and they wouldn’t cover it. My husband went through the process and received minimal relief. I thinks it’s just and ache and pain relief program. The only good thing is they will repeat the process over and over again. It will not repair a tear. They don’t even do any x-ray to see if it is something they can help. My husband finally went to an athletic orthopedic surgeon and had a scope done to remove a floating object and a bone spur. He has more relief but as previously stated, there is no help for bone on bone. He will eventually need the shoulder replacement. I feel it was a waste of money. Save your money and go see a sports orthopedic surgeon