Why are we still tolerating smokers around the squares

[DimondAngels]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

[Papa_lecki]

I just watched Bar Rescue, they rescued a bar in South Fla. They threw out a stat that only 15% of Floridians smoke.

[Bill14564]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

Because smoking is legal in open spaces, whether by 2% of the people or by only one.

Loud music can cause hearing loss, certain food aerosols can trigger anaphylactic shock, fumes from gasoline engines can cause severe irritation to those with breathing issues - being out in public involves some risk, such is the cost of living in a free society.

[DimondAngels]

I am sure that the number is much lower in TV. A much more educated population.

[dewilson58]

I am sure that the number is much lower in TV. A much more educated population.

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

[dewilson58]

I was there last night, no cigar.

[barbara828]

Love cigars - no I don't smoke them. Several close family members do.

[Mleeja]

I was driving down Enrique Drive last night. The driver in the cart in front of me was smoking a cigar. How dare he fowl the air behind him! I took matters into my own hands and passed his cart. Problem solved and we were all happy!

[CarlR33]

Love cigars - no I don't smoke them. Several close family members do.///

[CarlR33]

We (you) are lucky, Kentucky state (for example) still allows smoking (no ban in the state) so individual Kentucky cities and retail places (like bars) must individually ban smoking within that state.

[vintageogauge]

Body odor at the squares is more prevalent and more disgusting but it's their right to smell like a sewer.

[John Mayes]

Because smoking is legal in open spaces, whether by 2% of the people or by only one.

Loud music can cause hearing loss, certain food aerosols can trigger anaphylactic shock, fumes from gasoline engines can cause severe irritation to those with breathing issues - being out in public involves some risk, such is the cost of living in a free society.

Well said.

[Pairadocs]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

Not a smoker, never have been, and hate to be "trapped" in an area of smokers; HOWEVER, I suppose the answer to your questions is that smoking in public areas, like shopping squares of towns and cities, is not against the law. Plus we are ALL free to walk away, drive your golf cart to a new location, leave completely, etc. Example, yesterday was enjoying a coffee with a friend on the patio of the local Dunkin' D, when a man sat down to enjoy smoking his pipe. Our ONLY choices were to go inside where smoking is not permitted, or leave completely. He had every right to sit on the patio and smoke. People at the public squares are "requested" NOT to smoke on the inner part of the square where dancers gather, but have every right to smoke outside on public land... or at least that's how I have always understood "smoking" areas all over the USA ? My most terrifying memories of childhood were being on flights with my parents (also non smokers) and thinking I was going to actually DIE from the smoke that always got even worse on the plane as soon as we finished meals. Those "meals" were served on REAL plates with REAL flatware, no plastic "sporks", but at age 8-10 was aware that as soon as we ate our food, the adults would be lighting their cigarettes... LOL. They might still smoke at public shopping squares here and everywhere, but at least not on planes anymore !

[Pairadocs]

Well said.

VERY well said indeed !

[oneclickplus]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

Well, I would counter that 0.5% (one half of one percent) of people in the USA consider themselves transgender ... have gender dysphoria. Why do we allow 0.5% of the population to change the culture ... men in women's sports ... drag queen story hour for kids ... demands by men to use women's locker rooms and rest rooms? It's insane / unnatural / perverted.

What's a little cigar smoke among neighbors who aren't trying to pervert the next generation?

[golfing eagles]

Well, I would counter that 0.5% (one half of one percent) of people in the USA consider themselves transgender ... have gender dysphoria. Why do we allow 0.5% of the population to change the culture ... men in women's sports ... drag queen story hour for kids ... demands by men to use women's locker rooms and rest rooms? It's insane / unnatural / perverted.

What's a little cigar smoke among neighbors who aren't trying to pervert the next generation?

What's amazing is that it is ridiculous and everyone with 10% of a brain knows it, but with the media driving the clown car, no one in authority dares speak out against it.

[Rainger99]

What's amazing is that it is ridiculous and everyone with 10% of a brain knows it, but with the media driving the clown car, no one in authority dares speak out against it.

This guy spoke out against it.


Oregon high school track & field coach John Parks claims he was fired for proposing ‘open division’ for transgender athletes (https://nypost.com/2024/06/19/us-news/oregon-high-school-track-amp-field-coach-john-parks-claims-he-was-fired-for-proposing-open-division-for-transgender-athletes/)

[ROCKETMAN]

What's amazing is that it is ridiculous and everyone with 10% of a brain knows it, but with the media driving the clown car, no one in authority dares speak out against it.

With all the things going on in the US, a little cigar smoke should be the least of our worries. I smoke cigars but when someone is around me I relocate. I sit by the radio station in Sumter just to watch the people or listen to the music from r j gators.

[La lamy]

With all the things going on in the US, a little cigar smoke should be the least of our worries. I smoke cigars but when someone is around me I relocate. I sit by the radio station in Sumter just to watch the people or listen to the music from r j gators.

So heartwarming to hear you are empathetic about your cigar smoke not affecting others!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you.:BigApplause:

[Girlcopper]

Body odor at the squares is more prevalent and more disgusting but it's their right to smell like a sewer.
Thats for sure. Gimme cigars anytime over the stench of aged sweat. Figure out how to turn on the shower

[Cliff Fr]

Not a smoker, never have been, and hate to be "trapped" in an area of smokers; HOWEVER, I suppose the answer to your questions is that smoking in public areas, like shopping squares of towns and cities, is not against the law. Plus we are ALL free to walk away, drive your golf cart to a new location, leave completely, etc. Example, yesterday was enjoying a coffee with a friend on the patio of the local Dunkin' D, when a man sat down to enjoy smoking his pipe. Our ONLY choices were to go inside where smoking is not permitted, or leave completely. He had every right to sit on the patio and smoke. People at the public squares are "requested" NOT to smoke on the inner part of the square where dancers gather, but have every right to smoke outside on public land... or at least that's how I have always understood "smoking" areas all over the USA ? My most terrifying memories of childhood were being on flights with my parents (also non smokers) and thinking I was going to actually DIE from the smoke that always got even worse on the plane as soon as we finished meals. Those "meals" were served on REAL plates with REAL flatware, no plastic "sporks", but at age 8-10 was aware that as soon as we ate our food, the adults would be lighting their cigarettes... LOL. They might still smoke at public shopping squares here and everywhere, but at least not on planes anymore !

My Dad used to smoke a pipe was I was a kid. I used to like the smell of it.

[bark4me]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???
I wish it was 98%. It's probably closer to 78%

[bark4me]

I just watched Bar Rescue, they rescued a bar in South Fla. They threw out a stat that only 15% of Floridians smoke.
These aren't Floridians. These are transplants from northern and other states so the percentage is higher

[PGApromike]

You lost me at 98%. You were sitting in your cart shows the "offender" was away from the crowd showing respect for the crowd. If you drive a gas cart to the square, it smells too so I guess the logic is ban all carts, cars, shuttles etc. See how this all gets out of hand in a hurry.
BTW, not a smoker but do respect their rights as well as yours.

[MikeBlack]

Thats for sure. Gimme cigars anytime over the stench of aged sweat. Figure out how to turn on the shower

I've been to the Squares many times, and have never smelled BO from anybody. I have smelled the stench of cigars wafting into the squares from cigars several times.

[bark4me]

Body odor at the squares is more prevalent and more disgusting but it's their right to smell like a sewer.
🤣🤣🤣

[LeRoySmith]

Thats for sure. Gimme cigars anytime over the stench of aged sweat. Figure out how to turn on the shower

The really bad part about it is the smelly people must know they have an issue as they try to cover the stink with dime store perfume. Nothing like the scent of a flower on top of a dung heap. :eek:

I'm not and never have been a smoker but I really enjoy an occasional wif (small one) of someone lighting a cigarette with a match, a bit of cigar or pipe smoke is nice from time to time. I will say that there are some cigars that smell like they came from under that dung heap I mentioned above, pewee.

[Jboduch]

Wait until they legalize wacky tabacky.

[remedythis@sbcglobal.net]

Agreed. People have right to smoke, but I have a right not to. Smokers should not be allowed to walk around and through crowds or general public and smoke. I do not want to share their cigarette. They breath it in through a filter, I have to get a whiff of it not filtered. Then there is the butts all over the sidewalks, golf courses, and every where else they feel it is ok to discard their butt where ever they are. Poor employees of places that allow it. Rude and inconsiderate.

[SaucyJim]

I've been to the Squares many times, and have never smelled BO from anybody. I have smelled the stench of cigars wafting into the squares from cigars several times.

Ditto. Though I’ll take the sweet smell of cigar smoke over the stale smell of cigarette smoke any day. Now, I’m not on the dance floor, so perhaps I’m missing out on the BO. But I’ve definitely not encountered it previously.

[midiwiz]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

do you have evidence of that 98%? I'd say it's an over the top assumption at best. Here's a reality it's far more than that. You're just not observant.

[Black Beauty]

quit while you're ahead

[wamley]

Not a smoker, but that is where smoking is permitted, but not within the square itself.

[vintageogauge]

Ditto. Though I’ll take the sweet smell of cigar smoke over the stale smell of cigarette smoke any day. Now, I’m not on the dance floor, so perhaps I’m missing out on the BO. But I’ve definitely not encountered it previously.

Try the bleachers at Paddock Square.

[asianthree]

Coming from a tobacco grower family, I can say smoking was much more prevalent while in the south than when living in the north.
Dad smoked a pipe brings back memories of that cherry sweet smoke. Father in law smoked quality cigars. If one has ever been around a true Cuban it’s very unique.
I didn’t like to smoke pipe or cigars, but smoking cigarettes in very young teens in the south was pretty normal. Quit at 29 on an extremely large $$$$ bet, after I won the bet I never went back to that 2 pack a day habit.

So I don’t mind when someone smokes an expensive cigar, and sometimes cigarette smoke can trigger maybe just a moment.

But what I haven’t been able to tolerate or get used to is the lack of hygiene in both male and female, covered up by tons of cheap perfumes and cologne. It’s just gagging between the scent and the body order that they think is covering the smells.

[MikeN]

So we’re ok with legalizing cannabis but objecting to cigar smoke? While I enjoy a good cigar I never don’t around other people. It’s common courtesy that many people don’t have

[Cuervo]

From a non-smoker
Learn to live and let live.
I'm sure there are things you are unaware of that people can't stand about you but are too polite to mention.
You'll live a lot longer if you don't let thinks get under your skin.

[Topspinmo]

I am sure that the number is much lower in TV. A much more educated population.


Providing you don’t count wacky weed. If count that it jumps to 80%?????? Ok 79%:wave:

[Rodneysblue]

I believe that if you are in the parking spaces you can smoke there just not on the sidewalk.

[PugMom]

you tolerate it because it's a free country, & you also tolerate it because we do not impose our life styles on other people. ty. :bowdown: don't get me started.

[PugMom]

Love cigars - no I don't smoke them. Several close family members do.

doesn't the smell bring back fond memories of Dad & his friends? i find it quite comforting, even pipe tobacco. i have also been known to enjoy the ladies-size Maccanudos (chk spelling) :pepper2:

[PugMom]

Not a smoker, never have been, and hate to be "trapped" in an area of smokers; HOWEVER, I suppose the answer to your questions is that smoking in public areas, like shopping squares of towns and cities, is not against the law. Plus we are ALL free to walk away, drive your golf cart to a new location, leave completely, etc. Example, yesterday was enjoying a coffee with a friend on the patio of the local Dunkin' D, when a man sat down to enjoy smoking his pipe. Our ONLY choices were to go inside where smoking is not permitted, or leave completely. He had every right to sit on the patio and smoke. People at the public squares are "requested" NOT to smoke on the inner part of the square where dancers gather, but have every right to smoke outside on public land... or at least that's how I have always understood "smoking" areas all over the USA ? My most terrifying memories of childhood were being on flights with my parents (also non smokers) and thinking I was going to actually DIE from the smoke that always got even worse on the plane as soon as we finished meals. Those "meals" were served on REAL plates with REAL flatware, no plastic "sporks", but at age 8-10 was aware that as soon as we ate our food, the adults would be lighting their cigarettes... LOL. They might still smoke at public shopping squares here and everywhere, but at least not on planes anymore !

Bless You :mademyday:

[Signguy]

Left the Peoples Republic of NJ to live in the Free State of Florida.

There is No Smoking in the Squares.

"so why do we allow such a minority" because you were free to leave or move along to another area, your attitude is the problem, if the majority smoked, should they be allowed to ban you because they found you offensive?

[Indydealmaker]

I was driving down Enrique Drive last night. The driver in the cart in front of me was smoking a cigar. How dare he fowl the air behind him! I took matters into my own hands and passed his cart. Problem solved and we were all happy!

So, you're one of those with the illegal unregistered vehicles!

[golfing eagles]

So, you're one of those with the illegal unregistered vehicles!

Apparently, he is. It's called violating a law that he disagrees with to evade someone who is exercising his rights under the law. Ironic, isn't it????

PS: to the person you were responding to, they weren't seeding the air with birds. (Foul vs fowl:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

[Warcats]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???
While we are griping the thing that really gets under my skin is really loud motorcycles. I love when at midnight you can hear one over half the village. Why is this allowed?

[Ptmcbriz]

Wait until they legalize wacky tabacky.

I’m pretty sure all the states that have it legalized don’t allow it to be smoked in a public place. Only the confines of your home.

[kingofbeer]

I would either spit at them or fart at them. And then say "Sorry, I am trying to kick this habit"

[kingofbeer]

I’m pretty sure all the states that have it legalized don’t allow it to be smoked in a public place. Only the confines of your home.
The county should pass an ordinance to not allow smoking in certain public squares. But they won't because the commissioners are controlled by the developer.

[golfing eagles]

The county should pass an ordinance to not allow smoking in certain public squares. But they won't because the commissioners are controlled by the developer.

I don't get it. Are you implying "the developer" is pro-smoking?????

[mraines]

The county should pass an ordinance to not allow smoking in certain public squares. But they won't because the commissioners are controlled by the developer.
I like to eat outdoors at restaurants and I hate having a meal spoiled by the smell of someone smoking. I wish more restaurants would not allow it on the patio.

[Dantes]

They don’t need to worry we will not be a free society soon

[golfing eagles]

They don’t need to worry we will not be a free society soon

We certainly seem to be on the fast track to that destination

[Robojo]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

For the same reason we tolerate peoples dogs. We all pay to live here. Go to a smoke free place if thats what you want.

[Mleeja]

So, you're one of those with the illegal unregistered vehicles!

Ha! Ha! Ha! Good point. I should have noted he was only driving 15 mph. Taking his time enjoying his cigar. Probably couldn’t go home until it was finished!

[GATORBILL66]

Smoking should be banned in the entire Villages. If they want to die that bad, them smoke those stinky things in their own home!

[Johnsocat]

[People have right to smoke, but I have a right not to. Smokers should not be allowed to walk around and through crowds or general public and smoke.
Rude and inconsiderate.[/QUOTE]

So where does your right end and smokers rights begin?
You're basically implying they can only smoke in their homes/private places. Their argument can be that you also can stay in your home/private places if you don't like it.
No one gets more 2nd hand smoke than smokers do.
Your title mentions "Tolerate". Our Nation was built on cotton and tobacco and our greatest strength was our diversity and tolerance. Today, there is little tolerance, people want to ban anything they don't like and the difinition of diversity (people from a range of different social and ethnic backgrounds ) has been twisted to include sexuality.
There is no "tolerance" left in our country- and that's simply shameful.

[Cuervo]

Smoking should be banned in the entire Villages. If they want to die that bad, them smoke those stinky things in their own home!

From a non-smoker
Maybe we should also ban religious symbols, political flags in front of homes and on golf carts and let's not forget those Gnomes. Look most of the people who live here in The Villages this is their last stop, I learn to tolerate many things I don't like with that in mind. But I still don't trust those creepy Gnomes what do think they do when we are all asleep.

[OhioBuckeye]

They’ll tell you, your breaking their rights, guess we have no rights!

[Lea N]

Originally Posted by barbara828 View Post
Love cigars - no I don't smoke them. Several close family members do.

doesn't the smell bring back fond memories of Dad & his friends? i find it quite comforting, even pipe tobacco. i have also been known to enjoy the ladies-size Maccanudos (chk spelling) :pepper2:

Yes, it does. For me it reminds me of my grandfather. I can't say it smells good but it brings back good memories.

[Johnsocat]

I like to eat outdoors at restaurants and I hate having a meal spoiled by the smell of someone smoking. I wish more restaurants would not allow it on the patio.

Then you should eat inside where you are guaranteed a non-smoking environment.
It hasn't been that long that smokers could enjoy a smoke while waiting for their meal or having a smoke with their coffee INSIDE restaurants. The compromise was that smokers could smoke in OUTSIDE eating areas.

[Joe Mack]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

Do other personal freedoms offend you as well? While I'm not a smoker, as long as it's legal it's their right. You always have the option to move your golf cart, that's your right

[shut the front door]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

You chose to sit in a "smoking section" (outside the perimeter of the square). Maybe you should sit in the no smoking area inside the square.

[New Englander]

The county should pass an ordinance to not allow smoking in certain public squares. But they won't because the commissioners are controlled by the developer.

What makes you think that?

[Joe C.]

OK OK OK ...... For all those anti smokers, anti BO, anti fart, anti cologne people.
If you had it your way, the logical ending would be for those with bad breath, not to be allowed to breathe.

Give it a break.

[paulisue]

What a wonderful life you must lead when such a small issue is your problem. I feel sure that many of your friends put up with you despite your obvious lack of kindness and understanding just because they are willing to tolerate you just the way you are and accept your small mindlessness.

[ElDiabloJoe]

I am sure that the number is much lower in TV. A much more educated population.

Wow! That's not an elitist statement at all! This coming from someone that can't spell Diamond correctly.

FWIW, I'm an occasional cigar smoker. Maybe every couple weeks or once a month. At the squares, I like to sit in the breezeways between the rear parking lots and the road around the square itself. As to your "educated" statement, I have a master's degree from an esteemed and renowned private 4-year NCAA Div I university (rhymes with Trojans) and lifetime membership in Mensa. Plus, I do not lean left at all. You might want to rethink some of your assumptions.

[Kelevision]

Well, I would counter that 0.5% (one half of one percent) of people in the USA consider themselves transgender ... have gender dysphoria. Why do we allow 0.5% of the population to change the culture ... men in women's sports ... drag queen story hour for kids ... demands by men to use women's locker rooms and rest rooms? It's insane / unnatural / perverted.

What's a little cigar smoke among neighbors who aren't trying to pervert the next generation?

I can see you don’t travel and certainly don’t go out anywhere except the villages. Most high end places in big cities don’t have male/female restrooms, they have “restrooms” Most normal people’s brain’s don’t go to the perverted place yours does. Yikes. Ew.

[golfing eagles]

I can see you don’t travel and certainly don’t go out anywhere except the villages. Most high end places in big cities don’t have male/female restrooms, they have “restrooms”

Just proves his point.

[Diverdave]

I agree that second hand smoke, especially cigar smoke is disgusting. But smokers have rights as well and we need to accommodate them. What if someone objected to the "noise" from the bands. We would tell them to go where it is not so loud.
I would support limiting the smoking areas even further but it would be a hardship for some Villagers to have no place to go. Many folks down here have been smoking for 50 or more years and would find it very hard to quit.

[Velvet]

I think older people tend to be more sensitive to smoke. Older lungs etc. when it comes to body smell, they may not be able to do anything about it, a medical condition etc. when it comes to smoking, that is voluntary. I agree that there should be designated areas for smokers. Definitely, not an easy habit to quit even if they wanted to.

[Sandy and Ed]

I am sure that the number is much lower in TV. A much more educated population.
Nah. Just that most of the ones that did smoke probably passed before they age qualified to live here. (BTW, I smoked for 40+ years and live here. Only had to donate a lung lobe for the privilege. I know, TMI).

[RobbyHarris]

How dare he fowl the air behind him! . Those poor fowl! Smoke is bad for the birds. We should never foul the fowl! (Sorry, couldn't resist "fouling" up your post!) :highfive:

[Kelevision]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

If you lived in CA you’d be fine. They banned smoking on public sidewalks and outdoor spaces years ago.

[golfing eagles]

If you lived in CA you’d be fine. They banned smoking on public sidewalks and outdoor spaces years ago.


News flash: This is NOT California (thank God)

[shut the front door]

I think older people tend to be more sensitive to smoke. Older lungs etc. when it comes to body smell, they may not be able to do anything about it, a medical condition etc. when it comes to smoking, that is voluntary. I agree that there should be designated areas for smokers. Definitely, not an easy habit to quit even if they wanted to.

There ARE designated smoking areas at EVERY square.

[vintageogauge]

While we are griping the thing that really gets under my skin is really loud motorcycles. I love when at midnight you can hear one over half the village. Why is this allowed?

Because Harley's sound great.

[Robbb]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

Love the smell of cigar smoke, brings back childhood memories.

[Cuervo]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

From a none-smoker
If you are correct that 98% of the villagers don't smoke, it would seem to me especially since you claim to have been sitting in your golf cart to move to a spot where the smell would not have affected you.
I just bought an EV and if I follow your train of thought I would be posting that I do not like the smell of gas fumes and the people should be banned from driving gas cars.
Life is short especially here in The Villages give us all a break and wear a gas mask the next time you want to listen to music or stay at home and turn on the radio.

[Velvet]

There ARE designated smoking areas at EVERY square.

Thank you, never looked for one before. Perhaps fans could direct smoke away from the other people? I smoked a long long time ago, I still like the smell of smoke but my lungs don’t.

[Eg_cruz]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???
I thought the squares were a smoke free area

[Hplaw]

It never ceases to amaze me that the older people get in the Villages, the more grumpy they seem to become. Having the money to retire here, enjoy the beauty that is The Villages, participate in more social activities than anywhere else and still ...... the petty non tolerant griping surprises me. Let's try to be grateful for each day and allow others to be "different". Move your cart, walk away, smile; they may have a habit they can't conquer. Please don't act like you are better than, more evolved than, smarter than, and more entitled than.,.,,,,,,,or sit behind your computer and troll for arguments.

[Marathon Man]

I am sure that the number is much lower in TV. A much more educated population.

So educated that they sit in the smoking area and complain about smoking.

[Marathon Man]

I thought the squares were a smoke free area

They are. Smoking is allowed only on the sidewalks that surround the squares.

[4$ALE]

So educated that they sit in the smoking area and complain about smoking.

:thumbup: Thanks for saying what I was thinking. :beer3:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There ARE designated smoking areas at EVERY square.

Yes; the designated smoking area for the Squares are: everywhere EXCEPT within the entertainment area, where the Entertainment crew puts out chairs, or where there are bleachers, the "dance floor" area, and in line at the tiki huts. Everywhere else "outside" is a "designated smoking area."

In reality, there is only a limited designated NON-smoking area. Everywhere else you're allowed to smoke.

[loufromnewjersey]

Minorities have rights also.
Nothing wrong with smoking a cigar. I enjoy them.
Cigar smokers also have rights.
Let me know when you are going to Brownwood again.

[manaboutown]

I thought the squares were a smoke free area

I wish!

[I'm Popeye!]

Now that we got this smoking thing out of the way;
How about kicking those running-around little brats off the dance floor?
Grandma, control your kids; you might love them, but we don't!:cus:
.
This is all a joke; don't get excited, Grandma... :1rotfl:

[spd2918]

Because Harley's sound great.
They only sound "great" to the attention whores riding them.

[spd2918]

We could all try to save our farts until we see someone smoking at the square. Go upwind of them, let it fly, then watch as they are forced to consume the odor. At least it won't cause cancer.

[vintageogauge]

They only sound "great" to the attention whores riding them.

Harleys have a sound of their own, music to the ears. Next time you see a group riding them go ahead and call them "attention Whores" and see what you turn into lol.

[LeRoySmith]

We could all try to save our farts until we see someone smoking at the square. Go upwind of them, let it fly, then watch as they are forced to consume the odor. At least it won't cause cancer.

I don't know about the rest of you but my drawstring isn't that tight any longer....

[justjim]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

In short, we residents don’t make the rules on the squares.

[billethkid]

Well, I would counter that 0.5% (one half of one percent) of people in the USA consider themselves transgender ... have gender dysphoria. Why do we allow 0.5% of the population to change the culture ... men in women's sports ... drag queen story hour for kids ... demands by men to use women's locker rooms and rest rooms? It's insane / unnatural / perverted.

What's a little cigar smoke among neighbors who aren't trying to pervert the next generation?

:BigApplause:

[Michael G.]

I am sure that the number is much lower in TV. A much more educated population.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=104555&stc=1&d=1718837786

[Inspector Mark]

"98% of the people in the villages don't smoke"

When people make up stuff to suit their own needs I completely discount anything else they have to say.

The Current CDC stats are that 11.5% of the people in the US are smokers.
What's next? We can't talk out loud in public next to you. You know I heard 98% of the people in the villages do not talk in public so we should been it.

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

Because smoking is legal in open spaces, whether by 2% of the people or by only one.

Loud music can cause hearing loss, certain food aerosols can trigger anaphylactic shock, fumes from gasoline engines can cause severe irritation to those with breathing issues - being out in public involves some risk, such is the cost of living in a free society.

Preach on!

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

This is what we get for living in a free country. God bless the USA!

[Topspinmo]

We could all try to save our farts until we see someone smoking at the square. Go upwind of them, let it fly, then watch as they are forced to consume the odor. At least it won't cause cancer.

Long time smokers usually can’t smell or little:22yikes: probably just farting in wind:mornincoffee:

[Topspinmo]

In short, we residents don’t make the rules on the squares.

We residents don’t make any rules:pepper2: O, and follow few:beer3:

[Velvet]

[QUOTE=vintageogauge;2342595]Harleys have a sound of their own, music to the ears. Next time you see a group riding them go ahead and call them "attention Whores" and see what you turn into lol.[/

What gives the unique sound of Harleys is the way the engine is designed.

‘’What you are actually hearing is the sound of the compressed gases in the cylinder escaping when the exhaust valve opens. Each pop is the sound of the exhaust valve opening one time, and it happens on every second revolution of the crankshaft.” Google
And to my ears that engine sounds melodic. The rest of the bike is also designed beautifully and with lots of love.

While it is not my favorite bike (I like sports bikes) but to me, the Harley is a thing of beauty.

[Bill14564]

Harleys have a sound of their own, music to the ears. Next time you see a group riding them go ahead and call them "attention Whores" and see what you turn into lol.

What gives the unique sound of Harleys is the way the engine is designed.

‘’What you are actually hearing is the sound of the compressed gases in the cylinder escaping when the exhaust valve opens. Each pop is the sound of the exhaust valve opening one time, and it happens on every second revolution of the crankshaft.” Google
And to my ears that engine sounds melodic. The rest of the bike is also designed beautifully and with lots of love.

While it is not my favorite bike (I like sports bikes) but to me, the Harley is a thing of beauty.

That is the description of every four stroke engine - a Harley, a Kawasaki, a Ford, a Toro, and a Yamaha golf cart. A Maserati sounds better than a Ford and a Harley sounds better than a Suzuki due to the design of the engine but they are all for stroke engines as described in the google response.

[sharonl7340]

I am sure that the number is much lower in TV. A much more educated population.

Really? You're sure about that? From all the spelling and grammatical errors I see on these posts, I highly doubt that.

[spd2918]

Harleys have a sound of their own, music to the ears. Next time you see a group riding them go ahead and call them "attention Whores" and see what you turn into lol.

Ha, I'm not scared of the role playing baddies.

[Pairadocs]

I am sure that the number is much lower in TV. A much more educated population.

But also a population brought up in an era where smoking was widely acceptable, even considered somewhat cultured, educated, chic, or whatever you want to call it, young and old were shown on TV, magazines, in films, as a more sophisticated group, and many seniors here probably remember the encouragement given to young men who entered the military to smoke, they were made to feel somewhat different, apart from the 'team" if they resisted the smoke breaks. So, I'd guess smoking to be just a tad higher in this kind of community than the general population which has grown up with a distinct prejudice against smokers, but that's only one opinion. Last week I did hear the surgeon general of Florida say that over all the state, 20% of the residents smoke, as opposed to only 25 years ago when 45% of Floridians smoked. He said within the medical and scientific communities, that is considered an amazing percentage of reduction.

[Pairadocs]

News flash: This is NOT California (thank God)

A second "thank GOD" for that ! Not a supporter of smoking, but also not worth the downside of living in that state.

[badkarma318]

Really? You're sure about that? From all the spelling and grammatical errors I see on these posts, I highly doubt that.

100%.

There are a few here whose posts are so bad that I figure either they're drunk, or I'm having a stroke.

[BarbDame]

We “tolerate” because we live in the USA and the outside air belongs to everyone.

[TEXJK]

Wow this is right up there with the dog ������ dilemma

[RICH1]

:1rotfl::1rotfl:
Best Answer yet.....Thank you for the deep laugh

[Two Bills]

Really? You're sure about that? From all the spelling and grammatical errors I see on these posts, I highly doubt that.

100%.

There are a few here whose posts are so bad that I figure either they're drunk, or I'm having a stroke.

Some posters on here are recovering from strokes or other neurological problems.
Some are in their 80-90's and not as sharp as they/we were.
Some like myself, for whatever reason, had a minimal formal education, and rely on spell and grammar check to get as much right as possible.
It's not that hard to understand the gist of the less than perfect posts.
Climb down from your high chair, and show a little tolerance.

[swooner]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???
How about adding dogs to your list?

[golfing eagles]

Really? You're sure about that? From all the spelling and grammatical errors I see on these posts, I highly doubt that.

100%.

There are a few here whose posts are so bad that I figure either they're drunk, or I'm having a stroke.

Some posters on here are recovering from strokes or other neurological problems.
Some are in their 80-90's and not as sharp as they/we were.
Some like myself, for whatever reason, had a minimal formal education, and rely on spell and grammar check to get as much right as possible.
It's not that hard to understand the gist of the less than perfect posts.
Climb down from your high chair, and show a little tolerance.

My guess is that if they cannot tolerate smoke outdoors, then they can't tolerate bad grammar on their computer either. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Learylin]

I know what you mean. I hate cigars smells terrible. Makes me cough. And cigarettes too. When I sit in my car listening to music someone is next to me smoking made me want to move my car but there isn't any other place to park I have to stay there or leave.

[Learylin]

I was there last night, no cigar.
Depends on where you are sitting.

[dewilson58]

Depends on where you are sitting.

Depends is a totally different issue.

[Joe Mack]

Harleys have a sound of their own, music to the ears. Next time you see a group riding them go ahead and call them "attention Whores" and see what you turn into lol.

Most Harley riders today would need walkers when they get off their bikes. LOL

[ThirdOfFive]

Cigars near the squares? Not something I get my undies in a bundle over. As long as no laws are being broken have at it. I always have the option to move upwind.

Have to agree, more or less, with the posts regarding body odor, not so much in the squares (that upwind choice again) but in enclosed spaces. My gripe isn't with body odor per se but with those who use potions, lotions, dabs, etc. to try to hide it. I'm an asthma sufferer and I can tell you from firsthand experience that B.O., obnoxious as it may be, can't trigger asthma like going out in public after drenching yourself in the stuff you buy at Al's Quicklube & Body Wash Emporium. We stopped going to a certain church here in TV because the pastor refused to acknowledge that it was even a problem, let alone not consenting to even advise The Flock to tone it down as it may be a problem for some.

[Girlcopper]

I am sure that the number is much lower in TV. A much more educated population.
Everyone is educated on smoking. TV is not any smarter. It just seems that cigars are more the choice.

[Nell57]

From a non-smoker
Maybe we should also ban religious symbols, political flags in front of homes and on golf carts and let's not forget those Gnomes. Look most of the people who live here in The Villages this is their last stop, I learn to tolerate many things I don't like with that in mind. But I still don't trust those creepy Gnomes what do think they do when we are all asleep.

I’ve been told they fly to the North Pole to help the elves make the toys.
Back again every morning ..they rest all day as they look at you with that vacant stare.

[Velvet]

Most Harley riders today would need walkers when they get off their bikes. LOL

I’ve seen people ride motorcycles who can barely walk usually because they are too heavy (think of motorized scooters}. Some learn to ride at age 4 on a child sized motorcycle. My gf competed in dirt bike racing when she was 5 years old, won when she was 10. She is now CEO of a large bank corporation and still a motoress.

[Joe C.]

Your choice

[Notsocrates]

I am educated, medically trained and I smoke about 4 or 5 cigars a month.
I enjoy it, and if I'm not driving, I enjoy a Scotch with it.
I will soon be 90, I can walk a treadmill at 3 mph at a 10 degree incline.
And it's due to cigars and Scotch.

[JGibson]

I don't like the smell of alcohol can we ban that from the square also? 😂

[dewilson58]

I am educated, medically trained and I smoke about 4 or 5 cigars a month.
I enjoy it, and if I'm not driving, I enjoy a Scotch with it.
I will soon be 90, I can walk a treadmill at 3 mph at a 10 degree incline.
And it's due to cigars and Scotch.

:eclipsee_gold_cup:

[SaucyJim]

From a non-smoker
Maybe we should also ban religious symbols, political flags in front of homes and on golf carts and let's not forget those Gnomes. Look most of the people who live here in The Villages this is their last stop, I learn to tolerate many things I don't like with that in mind. But I still don't trust those creepy Gnomes what do think they do when we are all asleep.

Surely you learned from Southpark that they are stealing underpants. :posting:

[SaucyJim]

It never ceases to amaze me that the older people get in the Villages, the more grumpy they seem to become. Having the money to retire here, enjoy the beauty that is The Villages, participate in more social activities than anywhere else and still ...... the petty non tolerant griping surprises me. Let's try to be grateful for each day and allow others to be "different". Move your cart, walk away, smile; they may have a habit they can't conquer. Please don't act like you are better than, more evolved than, smarter than, and more entitled than.,.,,,,,,,or sit behind your computer and troll for arguments.

Have a habit they can't conquer? Based on that standard, I think I'll start slamming heroine and relieving myself in the town square. That should go ever well - especially when the kids are in town visiting their grandparents. Soon, we'll be able to call ourselves San Francisco.

Thank God we have the freedom to have these arguments. :bigbow:

[It's Hot There]

Love the smell of a nice cigar outdoors.

[SaucyJim]

They only sound "great" to the attention whores riding them.

Attention whores? Who's paying them? Don't you mean attention sluts? :1rotfl:

[Jalane]

I like to eat outdoors at restaurants and I hate having a meal spoiled by the smell of someone smoking. I wish more restaurants would not allow it on the patio.

Restaurants tried having "smoking" and "non-smoking" sections inside but the ventilation systems weren't designed for it, so it didn't work. Outdoor dining areas increased in popularity so the smoking customers would have a place to go plus create a smoke free restaurant.

We are not smokers and enjoy dining outside, too. We try to sit as far away from the bar as possible because it seems that smokers congregate close to the bar. If that isn't available, we are flexible and just sit inside.

[OhioBuckeye]

They always say go outside if you want to smoke. Now they’re outside & then the non smokers don’t like that. I don’t smoke & never did, it makes your breath stink, your clothes stink & the smokers are trying to die sooner. Plus kissing someone that smokes is like kissing an ash tray, so as long as the smokers are outside personally they can kill themselves that much sooner, the smokers are doing what we want them to do, at least they’re outside & & it’s their right. So if you don’t like it, move to another spot.

[CybrSage]

So, you're one of those with the illegal unregistered vehicles!

How do you know the driver in front of him was not driving slowly, enjoying the trip while enjoying a smoke?

[Byte1]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???

You think cigar smoke is bad, just wait until they legalize pot. Smoke doesn't bother me unless someone purposely blows it into my face. Then we have a problem. I am surprised that some seniors on here are still complaining at this old age. Then again, I do not frequent the squares so I guess the whole issue is moot to me. I guess there is always something that triggers complaints from each of us. Just keep your dog off my lawn...:D

[marcesium]

I am sitting in my golf cart tonight park around the Brownwood Square enjoying the music when I am chased out by a cigar smoking neighbor. 98% of the people in the villages don't smoke so why do we allow such a minority of people affect our health and well being???
I don’t smoke but the last I checked we still live in america

[MrChip72]

You think cigar smoke is bad, just wait until they legalize pot.

It won't be the same crowd that smokes pot going to the squares. I'm not worried about that at all.

If pot is legalized in Florida you still won't be allowed to use at the squares.

[FloridaAZ]

If you lived in CA you’d be fine. They banned smoking on public sidewalks and outdoor spaces years ago.
Now the streets of California are full of unhoused people, dogs and tents. Thankfully no one complains about the smoke.

[Ignatz]

Oh boy…. Imagine the shock OP would have if they found out that fish crap in the ocean and people actually swim in it…

[KCurry]

Kentucky doesn’t allow indoor smoking.

[Bill14564]

Kentucky doesn’t allow indoor smoking.

The latest information I can find says Kentucky does not have a statewide ban on indoor smoking.

There are several municipalities that have local ordinances. According to this site (https://breathe.uky.edu/tobacco-policy/smoke-free-communities/ordinance-database), 38.1% of Kentuckians are protected by laws covering indoor workplaces and public places.

[golfing eagles]

The latest information I can find says Kentucky does not have a statewide ban on indoor smoking.

There are several municipalities that have local ordinances. According to this site (https://breathe.uky.edu/tobacco-policy/smoke-free-communities/ordinance-database), 38.1% of Kentuckians are protected by laws covering indoor workplaces and public places.

How many times do I have to remind you-------STOP CONFUSING PEOPLE WITH THE FACTS!!!

[michgary]

as far as rights go, martina navratilova gay tennis player ( the best? even} says all trans should have their own competition,, go for it, have a trans whatever champion,, makes too much sense. but no,, they just wanna beat the real women ...because its so dam easy :shocked:

[Bill14564]

as far as rights go, martina navratilova gay tennis player ( the best? even} says all trans should have their own competition,, go for it, have a trans whatever champion,, makes too much sense. but no,, they just wanna beat the real women ...because its so dam easy :shocked:

Is Martina playing in the squares this evening? Will competition you mention include team smoking? If not, then what does this have to do with tolerating smokers around the squares? (or maybe you posted this in the wrong thread)

[ThirdOfFive]

Now the streets of California are full of unhoused people, dogs and tents. Thankfully no one complains about the smoke.
Unhoused???

That the same as "vagrants"?

[justjim]

My father was born in Kentucky. Lots of jokes about KY! While traveling in KY two years ago we stopped at a restaurant for breakfast. As we got up to pay the bill, to my amazement a guy lit up a cigarette. I ask the server taking my credit card if that was legal. “Yes sir in the county she said”. We went on our merry way.

[ElLegal]

Because smoking is legal in open spaces, whether by 2% of the people or by only one.

Loud music can cause hearing loss, certain food aerosols can trigger anaphylactic shock, fumes from gasoline engines can cause severe irritation to those with breathing issues - being out in public involves some risk, such is the cost of living in a free society.

🎯🎯🎯

[justjim]

Really? You're sure about that? From all the spelling and grammatical errors I see on these posts, I highly doubt that.

I like what one of my graduate school professors use to say: “I don’t grade your papers on your grammar but rather on the content of your paper.”

[Bilyclub]

A smoker is perfectly within their rights to smoke in permitted areas, but that doesn't make it legal to throw butts wherever they feel like it. Besides being disgusting it is littering.

[LeRoySmith]

How about adding dogs to your list?

You can love dogs or you can be wrong.




























I still don't think they should be at the squares or in the stores.

[fdpaq0580]

Oh boy…. Imagine the shock OP would have if they found out that fish crap in the ocean and people actually swim in it…

Oh! Thanks alot! Just when I got over my fear of SHARKS!
Where are my mask,snorkel and fins? I'll be in the bathtub for a while, hon!

[fdpaq0580]

You can love dogs.

🙈🙉🙊

[dewilson58]

Was raining sooooo hard at Brownwood last night, I couldn't get my cigar lit.

:cryin2:

[fdpaq0580]

Was raining sooooo hard at Brownwood last night, I couldn't get my cigar lit.

:cryin2:

Rain good! Smell clean, fresh air. 😃

[Vinscalese]

With all the challenges in the world today is this really one of them ? Smokers have been for the most part isolated from those who don’t want to have that around them. However I believe most of us in the villages love the freedom America provides us. So completely eliminating something those already have significant restrictions to comply with just doesn’t seem like the American thing to do.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Well, I would counter that 0.5% (one half of one percent) of people in the USA consider themselves transgender ... have gender dysphoria. Why do we allow 0.5% of the population to change the culture ... men in women's sports ... drag queen story hour for kids ... demands by men to use women's locker rooms and rest rooms? It's insane / unnatural / perverted.

What's a little cigar smoke among neighbors who aren't trying to pervert the next generation?

You know what's REALLY perverted/insane/unnatural - is being SO upset by only .5% (one half of one percent) of people in the USA, that you'd have to find a topic about smoking to complain about it.

[fdpaq0580]

With all the challenges in the world today is this really one of them ? Smokers have been for the most part isolated from those who don’t want to have that around them. However I believe most of us in the villages love the freedom America provides us. So completely eliminating something those already have significant restrictions to comply with just doesn’t seem like the American thing to do.

Different point of view. Doing what you want is great. You are free to do that until what ever it is negativly impacts someone else's right to do what they want. You can walk anywhere as long as you don’t walk over others. You can drink as long as others don't have to also drink. And you can use tobacco/nicotine as long as no one else has to us it. Smoking in public puts others in the position of being forced to breath the smoke that needn't be present. Even if it's only one breath, one drink or being trodden on one time. Only the addicted "need" their fix. Do it in private or wear a patch or eat a nicotine gummie. Smoking is unnecessary and does no one any good.
Next?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

you tolerate it because it's a free country, & you also tolerate it because we do not impose our life styles on other people. ty. :bowdown: don't get me started.

When the smoke is drifting halfway across the square and entering my nostrils, the smoker IS imposing their lifestyle on other people. That is an imposition. I'm minding my own business halfway across the square - and YOUR smoke is imposing on my breathing. I shouldn't have to move. You should have to keep your smoke to yourself. Y'know - so it doesn't impose on other people.

[fdpaq0580]

I am educated, medically trained and I smoke about 4 or 5 cigars a month.
I enjoy it, and if I'm not driving, I enjoy a Scotch with it.
I will soon be 90, I can walk a treadmill at 3 mph at a 10 degree incline.
And it's due to cigars and Scotch.

WOW! I'm convinced! We should start toddlers in preschool on scotch and cigars so they will grow up strong and healthy and live long lives, just like you. 😏🙄

[Two Bills]

So I don’t mind when someone smokes an expensive cigar, and sometimes cigarette smoke can trigger maybe just a moment..

I haven't smoked for near 40 years now, but occasionally, when someone lights up nearby, usually with a match, not a lighter, I get that urge to have a 'ciggy' one more time.
The rest of the time, they just stink!:)

[dewilson58]

Was raining sooooo hard at Brownwood last night, I couldn't get my cigar lit.

:cryin2:

Ready for tonight.

[fdpaq0580]

I haven't smoked for near 40 years now, but occasionally, when someone lights up nearby, usually with a match, not a lighter, I get that urge to have a 'ciggy' one more time.
The rest of the time, they just stink!:)

Good for you! Keep fighting the addiction.

[golfing eagles]

Why are we still tolerating smokers around the squares???

For the same reason we tolerate gays, transgenders, sun god worshipers, communists, etc. This is America and we recognize the rights of minorities, that's why we "tolerate" them.

[LeRoySmith]

Why are we still tolerating smokers around the squares???

For the same reason we tolerate gays, transgenders, sun god worshipers, communists, etc. This is America and we recognize the rights of minorities, that's why we "tolerate" them.

I find it pretty easy to tolerate most groups, big or small, mainstream or fringe. I have even fought for those groups right to speak freely (something a lot of people with green or purple hair can't claim). Where I have difficulty is when I'm expected to advocate for a group I don't believe in. If I fall to fully advocate for theses outliers I'm a biggot.

I again call bs.

[fdpaq0580]

Why are we still tolerating smokers around the squares???

For the same reason we tolerate gays, transgenders, sun god worshipers, communists, etc. This is America and we recognize the rights of minorities, that's why we "tolerate" them.

😄😆😂 Hahaha! No! No! No! Not the same at all, silly rabbit. Not unless all the above named happen to be the smokers spreading their noxious fumes around the squares.

[golfing eagles]

😄😆😂 Hahaha! No! No! No! Not the same at all, silly rabbit. Not unless all the above named happen to be the smokers spreading their noxious fumes around the squares.

What if they are spreading their toxic ideology to my grandchildren?

[fdpaq0580]

What if they are spreading their toxic ideology to my grandchildren?

Different subject! Don't deflect with "what if", or "what about".

[ThirdOfFive]

You know what's REALLY perverted/insane/unnatural - is being SO upset by only .5% (one half of one percent) of people in the USA, that you'd have to find a topic about smoking to complain about it.
Heh. This place is Geezer Central. I doubt that there has ever been any discrete group of people since the time of Sargon The Great MORE inclined to grouse about whatever, than geezers are.

[golfing eagles]

Different subject! Don't deflect with "what if", or "what about".

No, it's exactly the same. Because this is America, we tolerate minorities whether they are poisoning their lungs with smoke (outside away from the crowd so all you get is the smell and will never inhale enough to damage your lungs) or poisoning our minds with ideology. No difference, you can't have it both ways.

[ThirdOfFive]

WOW! I'm convinced! We should start toddlers in preschool on scotch and cigars so they will grow up strong and healthy and live long lives, just like you. 😏🙄
I don't know if it is a point to be taken lightly. People can demonstrably shorten their life expectancy by needless worry.

"Research shows that overreacting, constantly worrying, and living in a state of perpetual anxiety can reduce life expectancy." (Verywellmind, Oct. 17, 2023)

[fdpaq0580]

No, it's exactly the same. Because this is America, we tolerate minorities whether they are poisoning their lungs with smoke (outside away from the crowd so all you get is the smell and will never inhale enough to damage your lungs) or poisoning our minds with ideology. No difference, you can't have it both ways.

Both are undesirable, but they are not the same thing. Like being electrocuted vs being bitten by a shark. Both are undesirable, but they are not the same and need to be handled in different ways, regardless of what country or ocean you are in.

[fdpaq0580]

I don't know if it is a point to be taken lightly. People can demonstrably shorten their life expectancy by needless worry.

"Research shows that overreacting, constantly worrying, and living in a state of perpetual anxiety can reduce life expectancy." (Verywellmind, Oct. 17, 2023)

True. Anxiety can be deadly, and should never be taken lightly.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Heh. This place is Geezer Central. I doubt that there has ever been any discrete group of people since the time of Sargon The Great MORE inclined to grouse about whatever, than geezers are.

I like to think of it as FossilTown.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

No, it's exactly the same. Because this is America, we tolerate minorities whether they are poisoning their lungs with smoke (outside away from the crowd so all you get is the smell and will never inhale enough to damage your lungs) or poisoning our minds with ideology. No difference, you can't have it both ways.

You can't get "cancer of the gay." You can't get "gay of the cancer." If you are exposed to a black person who prays to Allah, you can't catch his blackness.

You need to stop being afraid of things that can't hurt you. Or not. If someone's rainbow flag causes you anger and anxiety, well - it must just really suck to be you I guess.

But if someone was burning that flag, and the smoke drifted over to my yard, I might have a thought or two about the smoke. I don't care about the flag, because there is nothing about it that can hurt me.

[golfing eagles]

You can't get "cancer of the gay." You can't get "gay of the cancer." If you are exposed to a black person who prays to Allah, you can't catch his blackness.

You need to stop being afraid of things that can't hurt you. Or not. If someone's rainbow flag causes you anger and anxiety, well - it must just really suck to be you I guess.

But if someone was burning that flag, and the smoke drifted over to my yard, I might have a thought or two about the smoke. I don't care about the flag, because there is nothing about it that can hurt me.

And exposure to cigar/cigarette/pipe smoke 30+ feet outdoors for a few minutes each time someone happens to light up at the town square when you are in attendance can't hurt you either. And I couldn't care less about a rainbow flag. I do care if transgenders or sun worshipers or satanists want to try to indoctrinate my grandchildren through parades, the classroom, and infiltration of TV, the movies and social media. Again, you can't have it both ways. You can't state that a smoker is evil and should be denied any rights while transgenderism is wholesome and natural, we should embrace them and change American culture for them.

Full disclosure---I am not a smoker.

[LeRoySmith]

What if they are spreading their toxic ideology to my grandchildren?

I'm scared, we agree on something.

[Shipping up to Boston]

No, it's exactly the same. Because this is America, we tolerate minorities whether they are poisoning their lungs with smoke (outside away from the crowd so all you get is the smell and will never inhale enough to damage your lungs) or poisoning our minds with ideology. No difference, you can't have it both ways.

Doc...youre making it harder to be your friend. But I'm hangin' in there! ;)

Can't wait til November when the smoke from the newly legal, freshly rolled 'fattys' clear out all these curmudgeons in the squares!

*This from a non smoker

[ThirdOfFive]

But if someone was burning that flag, and the smoke drifted over to my yard, I might have a thought or two about the smoke. I don't care about the flag, because there is nothing about it that can hurt me.

Except its absence.

Of course.

[golfing eagles]

Except its absence.

Of course.

I don't think "they" think that way. Not even on Memorial Day or Veterans Day. Remember "their" basic premise---America is evil and racist and needs to be "fundamentally transformed". Even typing it leaves a bad taste in my mouth:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: