Pls don’t pass in a cyclist in a multi modal lane with a median

[bragones]

Wednesday 6/26 AM, I was enjoying a pleasant cycle ride heading west on the 466A multi modal path. As carts would approach from behind, I would move to the side, slow down and wave the cart on. I received lots of “thank you”, waves and smiles as the cart passed. I thought to myself, this is very enjoyable. Then I came to median that divided the path into two single lanes, one for each direction. A cart came from behind and began passing me. I shouted, “don’t pass me here, it’s dangerous”. He overtook me and ran me off the path. I flew off my bike, but fortunately, onto grass and I wasn’t hurt. As I looked up I heard him yell “F YOU” and take off. Nice guy. If you are riding in a cart, pls don’t pass a cyclist riding in a multimodal path with a divider median. Let the cyclist live and enjoy. The divider always ends within several hundred feet where it will be safe to pass.

[golfing eagles]

Wednesday 6/26 AM, I was enjoying a pleasant cycle ride heading west on the 466A multi modal path. As carts would approach from behind, I would move to the side, slow down and wave the cart on. I received lots of “thank you”, waves and smiles as the cart passed. I thought to myself, this is very enjoyable. Then I came to median that divided the path into two single lanes, one for each direction. A cart came from behind and began passing me. I shouted, “don’t pass me here, it’s dangerous”. He overtook me and ran me off the path. I flew off my bike, but fortunately, onto grass and I wasn’t hurt. As I looked up I heard him yell “F YOU” and take off. Nice guy. If you are riding in a cart, pls don’t pass a cyclist riding in a multimodal path with a divider median. Let the cyclist live and enjoy. The divider always ends within several hundred feet where it will be safe to pass.

Great advice. This is why most cyclists will ride down the middle of the divided path. Unfortunately, there are also some who won't move to the right when the path is full width, and they give cyclists a bad reputation.

[Bill14564]

Great advice. This is why most cyclists will ride down the middle of the divided path. Unfortunately, there are also some who won't move to the right when the path is full width, and they give cyclists a bad reputation.

Unfortunately, some don't. I was behind a cyclist yesterday who seemed to be hugging the concrete ribbon (on the edge of the paths north of 44) as if to let carts pass him in the divided section. One cart did, I didn't. It would have been safer for the cyclist to do as you suggest and make it obvious to the oblivious that there is not enough width to pass in those sections.

[GolfGirl122]

Sorry that happened to you.

[Davonu]

Most cart drivers are respectful of bicyclists. But not all. That is why a ride a hybrid bicycle so I can exit onto the grass if I need to let a cart pass. I try to plan my approach to divided path sections, but sometimes a cart approaching on a divided section is unavoidable. That's when I'm go onto the grass until the cart passes. :)

[golfing eagles]

Most cart drivers are respectful of bicyclists. But not all. That is why a ride a hybrid bicycle so I can exit onto the grass if I need to let a cart pass. I try to plan my approach to divided path sections, but sometimes a cart approaching on a divided section is unavoidable. That's when I'm go onto the grass until the cart passes. :)

I don't ride a bicycle, and some cyclists are a PITA. However, you are under no obligation to pull off the path to let a cart pass. The cart can wait until there is a section that he can use to pass safely. That's why it is called an MMP, not a cart path.

[Pairadocs]

I don't ride a bicycle, and some cyclists are a PITA. However, you are under no obligation to pull off the path to let a cart pass. The cart can wait until there is a section that he can use to pass safely. That's why it is called an MMP, not a cart path.

A LOT of people do NOT understand that unfortunately.

[birdiebill]

By Florida law, a motorized vehicle must give at least three feet clearance when passing a bicycle. You can not pass with three feet of clearance where there is an MMP median. So I stay behind the bicycle until the way is clear and I have at least three feet of clearance to pass. Not sure how this applies to the MMP's, but I am never in such a hurry that I have to pass before the median divided MMP ends.

[Davonu]

…you are under no obligation to pull off the path to let a cart pass…
I said nothing about being obligated. It’s called self-preservation. :)

[sdeikenberry]

As a rider, in situations like the divided multi-modal path, it's important for the rider to own that narrow path...ride in the middle but keep up a reasonable speed. Move to the side once you are clear of the divided portion. That may not make the cart folks happy, but everyone stays safe. Legally, vehicles are required to give bicycle riders 3 feet of clearance to pass...that is not possible in the divided portions of our multi modal paths.

[Billrisma]

This is a very good topic. I am a bike rider and drive a golf cart. There are good respectful riders and respectful cart drivers and unfortunately there are bad ones as well, as in anything…and give us cyclers bad reputations. Extra efforts on both parties keeps everyone safe.
When I ride either on MMP or public roads I wave on following cars/carts just like you do. Like wise, on narrow lanes I extend my hand down beside me with my palm facing the follower to signal…” wait please “ then wave them to pass…then usually I get a “thank you honk” in reply. Likewise when I pass walkers, I ring a bell so as not to startle then and then say “biker on your left”…usually they slide to the right, and some say thank you.
It’s called defensive riding/driving…works both ways.
Again, good worthwhile topic.

[SXLUNA]

There are many entitled golf cart drivers in TV (not all but a good number). You need to report these dolts to the police and let them enforce the laws. I don't understand why people are in such a hurry. Golf carts speed all the time, we need the county to enforce traffic laws! MMP are for all! I applaud you for being considerate!

[golfing eagles]

There are many entitled golf cart drivers in TV (not all but a good number). You need to report these dolts to the police and let them enforce the laws. I don't understand why people are in such a hurry. Golf carts speed all the time, we need the county to enforce traffic laws! MMP are for all! I applaud you for being considerate!

As one can tell from my 2 posts above, I tend to side with the cyclist/OP. However, the post I am responding to does not help their case by statements such as "many entitled golf cart drivers", "speed ALL the time" and calling them "dolts". There are some "entitled" cyclists as well, I wouldn't say many in either group. And then, how are you going to "report" a golf cart---no tags, no numbers. Besides, the MMPs are not subject to speed limits. Given it's post #2, let's just call it a result of inexperience.

[Girlcopper]

As one can tell from my 2 posts above, I tend to side with the cyclist/OP. However, the post I am responding to does not help their case by statements such as "many entitled golf cart drivers", "speed ALL the time" and calling them "dolts". There are some "entitled" cyclists as well, I wouldn't say many in either group. And then, how are you going to "report" a golf cart---no tags, no numbers. Besides, the MMPs are not subject to speed limits. Given it's post #2, let's just call it a result of inexperience.
Correct and even if you try and call the cops, they aren’t coming. They don’t take action against a person on the word of another person. They have to see it or it didn’t happen. Cops aren’t the solution to everything they have more important things to do.

[NotGolfer]

I see on all the posts similar to this the common responses from the perpetrators will be explatives and flashing "the bird". Then folks come on social media using the expression of "entitled". THIS, to me, is getting tiresome as it's juvenile.

I recently read on FB from a link where I moved here from that the drivers were "insane" and not following the rules of the road. SOOOOO, it's not just Villagers as it must be all over. I'm so sorry that the OP was knocked off his bike but glad he wasn't injured.

[srswans]

Some of the narrow, split lanes have no curbs. In those lanes, the carts can pass by dropping at least two wheels on the grass.

Short of this, split lanes are too narrow to pass with 3’ of clearance like FL law requires.

[golfing eagles]

Some of the narrow, split lanes have no curbs. In those lanes, the carts can pass by dropping at least two wheels on the grass.

Short of this, split lanes are too narrow to pass with 3’ of clearance like FL law requires.

And if 1000 Villager cart drivers put 2 wheels on the grass to pass (I'm a poet and didn't know it), how many times will someone lose control of that vehicle. And what is gained?--10,15,20 sec???

[golfing eagles]

I see on all the posts similar to this the common responses from the perpetrators will be explatives and flashing "the bird". Then folks come on social media using the expression of "entitled". THIS, to me, is getting tiresome as it's juvenile.

I recently read on FB from a link where I moved here from that the drivers were "insane" and not following the rules of the road. SOOOOO, it's not just Villagers as it must be all over. I'm so sorry that the OP was knocked off his bike but glad he wasn't injured.

Actually, the general rule of thumb is:
Anyone driving slower than you is a moron
Anyone driving faster is a maniac:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Robojo]

Wednesday 6/26 AM, I was enjoying a pleasant cycle ride heading west on the 466A multi modal path. As carts would approach from behind, I would move to the side, slow down and wave the cart on. I received lots of “thank you”, waves and smiles as the cart passed. I thought to myself, this is very enjoyable. Then I came to median that divided the path into two single lanes, one for each direction. A cart came from behind and began passing me. I shouted, “don’t pass me here, it’s dangerous”. He overtook me and ran me off the path. I flew off my bike, but fortunately, onto grass and I wasn’t hurt. As I looked up I heard him yell “F YOU” and take off. Nice guy. If you are riding in a cart, pls don’t pass a cyclist riding in a multimodal path with a divider median. Let the cyclist live and enjoy. The divider always ends within several hundred feet where it will be safe to pass.

I refuse to move over. I ride at 25 mph. Slow down and fu too.
Welcome to the villages. The land of the drunk and demented.
Golf cars do NOT own those paths.

[SHIBUMI]

Golf cars that go 20 mph or less are not subject to driving laws. That being said, golf cars that go over 20 mph ARE. As most go over 20 speed it creates a me mentality for their drivers. That won't change.

I RIDE A BIKE...........I PULL OVER ON LARGER PATHS SO THEY CAN PASS. ON SMALLER PATHS I RIDE IN THE MIDDLE SO THEY CAN'T. ITS THAT SIMPLE.

This lends itself to the saying, courtesy kills. People wave you thru entrance ways while others are pulling out ahead of you. No more courtesy on these paths. Whoever has right of way should go, and only pull your bike over on larger paths as was mentioned earlier.

Sorry for your mishap..................:sad:






By Florida law, a motorized vehicle must give at least three feet clearance when passing a bicycle. You can not pass with three feet of clearance where there is an MMP median. So I stay behind the bicycle until the way is clear and I have at least three feet of clearance to pass. Not sure how this applies to the MMP's, but I am never in such a hurry that I have to pass before the median divided MMP ends.

[jrref]

Wednesday 6/26 AM, I was enjoying a pleasant cycle ride heading west on the 466A multi modal path. As carts would approach from behind, I would move to the side, slow down and wave the cart on. I received lots of “thank you”, waves and smiles as the cart passed. I thought to myself, this is very enjoyable. Then I came to median that divided the path into two single lanes, one for each direction. A cart came from behind and began passing me. I shouted, “don’t pass me here, it’s dangerous”. He overtook me and ran me off the path. I flew off my bike, but fortunately, onto grass and I wasn’t hurt. As I looked up I heard him yell “F YOU” and take off. Nice guy. If you are riding in a cart, pls don’t pass a cyclist riding in a multimodal path with a divider median. Let the cyclist live and enjoy. The divider always ends within several hundred feet where it will be safe to pass.

When you are biking in a single lane like that Always ride in the center of the path until you are back on the two lane part. This way there is no way for a cart to pass you. They just have to wait till you pass the single lane.

[bark4me]

Wednesday 6/26 AM, I was enjoying a pleasant cycle ride heading west on the 466A multi modal path. As carts would approach from behind, I would move to the side, slow down and wave the cart on. I received lots of “thank you”, waves and smiles as the cart passed. I thought to myself, this is very enjoyable. Then I came to median that divided the path into two single lanes, one for each direction. A cart came from behind and began passing me. I shouted, “don’t pass me here, it’s dangerous”. He overtook me and ran me off the path. I flew off my bike, but fortunately, onto grass and I wasn’t hurt. As I looked up I heard him yell “F YOU” and take off. Nice guy. If you are riding in a cart, pls don’t pass a cyclist riding in a multimodal path with a divider median. Let the cyclist live and enjoy. The divider always ends within several hundred feet where it will be safe to pass.
Do yourself a favor. Next time, take up the entire lane until you get past the divided lanes.

[Topspinmo]

Wednesday 6/26 AM, I was enjoying a pleasant cycle ride heading west on the 466A multi modal path. As carts would approach from behind, I would move to the side, slow down and wave the cart on. I received lots of “thank you”, waves and smiles as the cart passed. I thought to myself, this is very enjoyable. Then I came to median that divided the path into two single lanes, one for each direction. A cart came from behind and began passing me. I shouted, “don’t pass me here, it’s dangerous”. He overtook me and ran me off the path. I flew off my bike, but fortunately, onto grass and I wasn’t hurt. As I looked up I heard him yell “F YOU” and take off. Nice guy. If you are riding in a cart, pls don’t pass a cyclist riding in a multimodal path with a divider median. Let the cyclist live and enjoy. The divider always ends within several hundred feet where it will be safe to pass.


One question did the golf cart have golf clubs on back of cart?

[Topspinmo]

This is a very good topic. I am a bike rider and drive a golf cart. There are good respectful riders and respectful cart drivers and unfortunately there are bad ones as well, as in anything…and give us bad reputations. Extra efforts on both parties keeps everyone safe.
When I ride either on MMP or public roads I wave on following cars/carts just like you do. Like wise, on narrow lanes I extend my hand down beside me with my palm facing the follower to signal…” wait please “ then wave them to pass…then usually I get a “thank you honk” in reply. Likewise when I pass walkers, I ring a bell so as not to startle then and then say “biker on your left”…usually they slide to the right, and some say thank you.
It’s called defensive riding/driving…works both ways.
Again, good worthwhile topic.

Question? Do the bad ones have golf clubs on back of cart?

[JGibson]

The MMPs are too narrow to be multiple anything.

Even trying to pass with no divider is a challenge because often you have to drive into the opposite lane to get around them.

It's probably safer to ride a bike on the interstate than on the MMPs.

[Gator_Girl]

Wednesday 6/26 AM, I was enjoying a pleasant cycle ride heading west on the 466A multi modal path. As carts would approach from behind, I would move to the side, slow down and wave the cart on. I received lots of “thank you”, waves and smiles as the cart passed. I thought to myself, this is very enjoyable. Then I came to median that divided the path into two single lanes, one for each direction. A cart came from behind and began passing me. I shouted, “don’t pass me here, it’s dangerous”. He overtook me and ran me off the path. I flew off my bike, but fortunately, onto grass and I wasn’t hurt. As I looked up I heard him yell “F YOU” and take off. Nice guy. If you are riding in a cart, pls don’t pass a cyclist riding in a multimodal path with a divider median. Let the cyclist live and enjoy. The divider always ends within several hundred feet where it will be safe to pass.

I wouldn't ride a bike around here for no amount of money!

[Topspinmo]

The MMPs are too narrow to be multiple anything.

Even trying to pass with no divider is a challenge because often you have to drive into the opposite lane to get around them.

It's probably safer to ride a bike on the interstate than on the MMPs.

So. Naturally you wouldn’t want to pull out in other lane on curb, blind spot, or something close coming? O wait! Some do do they:gc:

[Michael 61]

Wednesday 6/26 AM, I was enjoying a pleasant cycle ride heading west on the 466A multi modal path. As carts would approach from behind, I would move to the side, slow down and wave the cart on. I received lots of “thank you”, waves and smiles as the cart passed. I thought to myself, this is very enjoyable. Then I came to median that divided the path into two single lanes, one for each direction. A cart came from behind and began passing me. I shouted, “don’t pass me here, it’s dangerous”. He overtook me and ran me off the path. I flew off my bike, but fortunately, onto grass and I wasn’t hurt. As I looked up I heard him yell “F YOU” and take off. Nice guy. If you are riding in a cart, pls don’t pass a cyclist riding in a multimodal path with a divider median. Let the cyclist live and enjoy. The divider always ends within several hundred feet where it will be safe to pass.

Sorry this happened, and glad you weren’t badly injured. This is why I have decided not to ride a bicycle on the multi-modal paths here in TV. I would be a nervous wreck.

[Grammyliz]

Thank you for posting this information! I did not know that. Now I do! 😊

[Switter]

Great advice. This is why most cyclists will ride down the middle of the divided path. Unfortunately, there are also some who won't move to the right when the path is full width, and they give cyclists a bad reputation.

It's a two-lane path and there's plenty of room for passing (except for the divided portions), so I'm not sure what moving to the right accomplishes unless you think it's safe to pass a bike when there's an oncoming golf cart or on a blind corner, which it obviously is not.

I find the majority of people on golf carts that I have encountered are very courteous to me when I am riding bike and I always I try to return the favor.

Tips for bicyclists (lessons I have learned):

Know the pinch points on the paths you bike very well and try to be cognizant if a golf cart is behind you. For instance, if you are coming up to a tunnel (where there is no passing for quite a distance) and there's a golf cart behind who is close enough that he would overtake you, slow down so they can pass before you get to the tunnel. However, that can't always be done so once in a while they will just have to be stuck behind you. If they are impatient, don't let them rattle you. Just keep paying attention to your surroundings. I am sure it is annoying for them but unless the villages widens all the paths to four lanes, there's not much that can be done about it.

Ride in the evening when there's less traffic. It's cooler at that time anyways.

I never wave people to pass me. I don't want to give them a the false sense of security that it's safe to do so. The person who is doing the passing is the one who is responsible for determining when it's safe to proceeded.

Avoid the town centers, especially in the evening. There's much more traffic and a higher likelihood of people driving golf carts who are drinking.

If you don't have one, get a mirror installed on your bike and use it.

Always wear a helmet, as much as they suck.

Probably most important of all for bicyclists is to make yourself as visible as possible by using flashing lights on front and back that can be seen from a great distance. I would even recommend this for people who are walking because they are not very visible.

I have been riding the paths here for about a year now and I find them relatively safe, safer than riding on the roads here (or anywhere else for that matter).

Edit: I am truly grateful for the multimodal paths. They are absolutely beautiful with shaded trees and beautiful landscaping. It would be great if they were just dedicated bike paths but this is the next best thing. They are such a joy to ride. Hopefully everyone can take time to slow down and enjoy them (while watching the road at the same time, lol).

[Sgt Ed]

Wednesday 6/26 AM, I was enjoying a pleasant cycle ride heading west on the 466A multi modal path. As carts would approach from behind, I would move to the side, slow down and wave the cart on. I received lots of “thank you”, waves and smiles as the cart passed. I thought to myself, this is very enjoyable. Then I came to median that divided the path into two single lanes, one for each direction. A cart came from behind and began passing me. I shouted, “don’t pass me here, it’s dangerous”. He overtook me and ran me off the path. I flew off my bike, but fortunately, onto grass and I wasn’t hurt. As I looked up I heard him yell “F YOU” and take off. Nice guy. If you are riding in a cart, pls don’t pass a cyclist riding in a multimodal path with a divider median. Let the cyclist live and enjoy. The divider always ends within several hundred feet where it will be safe to pass. Th
is happens quite often. On way to prevent it is to ride right down the middle of the lane. Helps but not a cure for the ignorant ones.

[Sgt Ed]

[QUOTE=Sgt Ed;2344834]This happens quite often. On way to prevent it is to ride right down the middle of the lane. Helps but not a cure for the ignorant ones. I use 2 mirrors to help see the rear. I never have heard anyone signaling that they want to pass you.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

As a rider, in situations like the divided multi-modal path, it's important for the rider to own that narrow path...ride in the middle but keep up a reasonable speed. Move to the side once you are clear of the divided portion. That may not make the cart folks happy, but everyone stays safe. Legally, vehicles are required to give bicycle riders 3 feet of clearance to pass...that is not possible in the divided portions of our multi modal paths.

I would own the middle of the lane on a divided path. But if there's someone coming up behind me I would either speed up (since I am rarely in a rush and ride at a very leisurely pace), OR I would pull over onto the grass and let them pass (since I hate feeling rushed).

Depends on my mood, for the most part. But I do make efforts to get the person behind me, to become the person ahead of me.

[MaryMS]

Unfortunately there are a lot of entitled jerks living here who think everything is about themselves. They have no thoughts of kindness toward others. Glad you weren’t hurt. Stay safe.

[Regorp]

Wednesday 6/26 AM, I was enjoying a pleasant cycle ride heading west on the 466A multi modal path. As carts would approach from behind, I would move to the side, slow down and wave the cart on. I received lots of “thank you”, waves and smiles as the cart passed. I thought to myself, this is very enjoyable. Then I came to median that divided the path into two single lanes, one for each direction. A cart came from behind and began passing me. I shouted, “don’t pass me here, it’s dangerous”. He overtook me and ran me off the path. I flew off my bike, but fortunately, onto grass and I wasn’t hurt. As I looked up I heard him yell “F YOU” and take off. Nice guy. If you are riding in a cart, pls don’t pass a cyclist riding in a multimodal path with a divider median. Let the cyclist live and enjoy. The divider always ends within several hundred feet where it will be safe to pass.

My biggest pet peeve is bikes on a road with no bike/golf cart lane ie: Meggison, Morse, and Buena Vista. The bike club is the biggest offender. Use the mm path next to the road, dummies. Your own fault if something happens. Duh!!

[SaucyJim]

My two cents (that's you're about to get for FREE!):

I did not move to TV to be in a hurry. However, if I do have an appointment and time is a factor, I'll use my actual car. If I'm in a golf car, I am not in a hurry and am happy to drive the speed of a bicycle for as long as required before I pass -- if I pass at all. Something I've learned relatively quickly (being a new permanent resident) is that my golf cart experience is so much nicer when I do not have the pedal to the metal. The cart is quieter and conversations with my favorite passenger (hi, Honey!) or listening to music are much more enjoyable. Slow down. Take in the scenery. Practice gratitude for all you have here. Never forget the smog, the traffic jams, and the stress of driving every day to a full-time job.

On another note, I also make it a point to pull over for cars when on residential streets. If they want to go faster, I let them. I am surprised, however, at the lack of "thank you" waves I get for being so considerate. But I'm not doing it for them, anyway. That's all I have to say about that. :)

[shut the front door]

Correct and even if you try and call the cops, they aren’t coming. They don’t take action against a person on the word of another person. They have to see it or it didn’t happen. Cops aren’t the solution to everything they have more important things to do.

I agree with everything except the highlighted section. Florida is a state in which the officer does not have to see the accident happen in order to write a ticket. Darn near every accident that is reported on the "other site", results in someone getting a ticket. It is not like that in the state I came from.

[Marathon Man]

Most cart drivers are respectful of bicyclists. But not all. That is why a ride a hybrid bicycle so I can exit onto the grass if I need to let a cart pass. I try to plan my approach to divided path sections, but sometimes a cart approaching on a divided section is unavoidable. That's when I'm go onto the grass until the cart passes. :)

Unfortunately, you may be giving the few inconsiderate cart drivers the idea that all bike riders should leave the path and allow them to keep their foot on the gas. Making the problem worse for all riders.

[bragones]

Thanks to all responders for the concern and advice. As an FYI: I had a helmet on, flashing lights and a mirror. I was not in the center of the lane but close to it when I saw the dude on my tail and turned to shout that he shouldn't pass me here because it wasn't safe. It became apparent that he was going to pass me. I decided it wouldn't be a good idea to move to the center with him so close to my tail. I think he would have hit me, which was probably the case since he had no problem running me off the path. I have been riding the bike paths for years with no major issues and will continue to do so. Going forward, I will definitely ride dead center in MMP lanes with medians. As for waving a cart on, I think it's the right thing to do when you see a long straight stretch, slow way down and pull over far to the right. And NO, I guess I was too shaken up to notice if he had clubs on the back, LOL!

[golfing eagles]

One question did the golf cart have golf clubs on back of cart?

relevance??????

[bragones]

relevance??????

I'm guessing the relevance to asking about golf clubs on the back of the cart was a humorous inference that perhaps the driver who ran me off the path was late for a tee time.

[chuckpedrey]

On a similar note, automobile drivers should not pass a car waiting to turn left at an intersection. Many times cars have passed me on the right while I’m waiting in an intersection to turn left.

[Bill14564]

On a similar note, automobile drivers should not pass a car waiting to turn left at an intersection. Many times cars have passed me on the right while I’m waiting in an intersection to turn left.

Need more detail on this. In many cases it is completely legal to pass on the right if a vehicle is making a left turn. (see Fl Statute 316.084(1)(a))

[asianthree]

I rode long distance until we moved here. I will load bike and travel to safer paths that allow bikes, but not golf cart. I never ride the roads here.

No matter how you feel about bikes vs cart vs car, but bike will always loose. I get it every one feels their way is correct, but correct doesn’t mean you will arrive safely. We have plenty of elderly who shouldn’t be driving a cart or car. Vision can be sketchy, you are in their blind spot, or they are just unaware they are actually driving in the cart lane in their car.

I will say if I have to be on MMP path I own the lane means I own the middle of the lane I don’t move over for passing of faster cart. That move puts can put you off the path and in uneven grass. That said I have never had a cart try to pass in median areas, yell at me for being in the way, but then again I bike for exercise, which does not involve slow pace. I do however appreciate the cart that passes, yells out the speed, and a good job thumbs up.

[Velvet]

Correct and even if you try and call the cops, they aren’t coming. They don’t take action against a person on the word of another person. They have to see it or it didn’t happen. Cops aren’t the solution to everything they have more important things to do.

One reason why a GoPro camera on your bike or cart is handy. Just clip on your helmet or cart. You have documented the incident. The other is you have pictures of your trip.

[coralway]

It’s every man, and woman, for themselves. Courtesy, and common sense, don’t work here.

[shut the front door]

My two cents (that's you're about to get for FREE!):

I did not move to TV to be in a hurry. However, if I do have an appointment and time is a factor, I'll use my actual car. If I'm in a golf car, I am not in a hurry and am happy to drive the speed of a bicycle for as long as required before I pass -- if I pass at all. Something I've learned relatively quickly (being a new permanent resident) is that my golf cart experience is so much nicer when I do not have the pedal to the metal. The cart is quieter and conversations with my favorite passenger (hi, Honey!) or listening to music are much more enjoyable. Slow down. Take in the scenery. Practice gratitude for all you have here. Never forget the smog, the traffic jams, and the stress of driving every day to a full-time job.

On another note, I also make it a point to pull over for cars when on residential streets. If they want to go faster, I let them. I am surprised, however, at the lack of "thank you" waves I get for being so considerate. But I'm not doing it for them, anyway. That's all I have to say about that. :)

I think I've passed you before. On my bicycle.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I rode long distance until we moved here. I will load bike and travel to safer paths that allow bikes, but not golf cart. I never ride the roads here.

No matter how you feel about bikes vs cart vs car, but bike will always loose. I get it every one feels their way is correct, but correct doesn’t mean you will arrive safely. We have plenty of elderly who shouldn’t be driving a cart or car. Vision can be sketchy, you are in their blind spot, or they are just unaware they are actually driving in the cart lane in their car.

I will say if I have to be on MMP path I own the lane means I own the middle of the lane I don’t move over for passing of faster cart. That move puts can put you off the path and in uneven grass. That said I have never had a cart try to pass in median areas, yell at me for being in the way, but then again I bike for exercise, which does not involve slow pace. I do however appreciate the cart that passes, yells out the speed, and a good job thumbs up.

I have a hybrid bike and can ride on the grass with little extra effort (unless I'm riding uphill, then it's a real problem).

What kills me is if I'm approaching an intersection, going uphill, I have a stop sign and the person on my left does NOT...and I stop - and they STOP and wave me on..I'm like - dood. You have the right of way. I've just done what I'm supposed to do, instead of rolling through, because you have the right of way. Take your damned right of way and get out of MY way.

Drives me nuts when people who DO have the right of way, just - stop, and give that right to someone else. It messes up the whole rhythm of traffic. Happens ALL THE TIME over where Lowes and BJ's are. People coming from 441 or the apartments just - stop. Neither side has a stop sign. But if the guy coming TOWARD 441 stops to let me take a left - and someone coming FROM 441 chooses to do his job and take his right of way, then I end up with a flipped-over golf cart, or my bicycle in someone's windshield.

If you have the right of way, take it. Please.

[Shipping up to Boston]

I rode long distance until we moved here. I will load bike and travel to safer paths that allow bikes, but not golf cart. I never ride the roads here.

No matter how you feel about bikes vs cart vs car, but bike will always loose. I get it every one feels their way is correct, but correct doesn’t mean you will arrive safely. We have plenty of elderly who shouldn’t be driving a cart or car. Vision can be sketchy, you are in their blind spot, or they are just unaware they are actually driving in the cart lane in their car.

I will say if I have to be on MMP path I own the lane means I own the middle of the lane I don’t move over for passing of faster cart. That move puts can put you off the path and in uneven grass. That said I have never had a cart try to pass in median areas, yell at me for being in the way, but then again I bike for exercise, which does not involve slow pace. I do however appreciate the cart that passes, yells out the speed, and a good job thumbs up.

Correct on ‘elderly that shouldn’t be driving a cart or car’...


There is nothing more sobering than staring down a vision impaired, hearing impaired octogenarian raging down an MMP with reckless abandon. Only thing close to it is attempting to exit on to Route 1 in Saugus MA (my Boston contingent on here can vouch for that comparison )!

[SXLUNA]

As one can tell from my 2 posts above, I tend to side with the cyclist/OP. However, the post I am responding to does not help their case by statements such as "many entitled golf cart drivers", "speed ALL the time" and calling them "dolts". There are some "entitled" cyclists as well, I wouldn't say many in either group. And then, how are you going to "report" a golf cart---no tags, no numbers. Besides, the MMPs are not subject to speed limits. Given it's post #2, let's just call it a result of inexperience.

I see/read calling riders PITA is acceptable and helps the cause, got it speeder! FYI reckless driving and DUI are enforceable on private property. Speedy in a top heavy golf cart specially coming around a turn is reckless or when you lose control it is reckless!

[golfing eagles]

I see/read calling riders PITA is acceptable and helps the cause, got it speeder! FYI reckless driving and DUI are enforceable on private property. Speedy in a top heavy golf cart specially coming around a turn is reckless or when you lose control it is reckless!

That’s was the takeaway from my post??? Wow.

[Topspinmo]

One reason why a GoPro camera on your bike or cart is handy. Just clip on your helmet or cart. You have documented the incident. The other is you have pictures of your trip.


But, it will also show blowing thru stops signs? :D

[Topspinmo]

Correct on ‘elderly that shouldn’t be driving a cart or car’...


There is nothing more sobering than staring down a vision impaired, hearing impaired octogenarian raging down an MMP with reckless abandon. Only thing close to it is attempting to exit on to Route 1 in Saugus MA (my Boston contingent on here can vouch for that comparison )!

Time is coming for you :thumbup:

[Fastskiguy]

The MMPs are too narrow to be multiple anything.

Even trying to pass with no divider is a challenge because often you have to drive into the opposite lane to get around them.

It's probably safer to ride a bike on the interstate than on the MMPs.

It’s literally the definition of passing. You move into the oncoming lane and go around slower traffic.

I don’t know which is safer….riding the paths or riding down Morse Blvd….

Joe

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Correct on ‘elderly that shouldn’t be driving a cart or car’...


There is nothing more sobering than staring down a vision impaired, hearing impaired octogenarian raging down an MMP with reckless abandon. Only thing close to it is attempting to exit on to Route 1 in Saugus MA (my Boston contingent on here can vouch for that comparison )!

How about trying to get on Storrow Drive from Mass General, during the afternoon rush hour. I still remember the big sign facing Storrow: "If you lived here, you'd be home already."

Or riding a bicycle on the Boston Post Road anywhere from West Haven through Milford, CT. Yes, it's legal. Yes, it's a suicide mission.

[ElDiabloJoe]

/// not worth the effort

[Shipping up to Boston]

Similar to people that send themselves racist or other hate-filled harassments in order to play victim and get people to feel badly for them, I read this post with a huge block of salt. Not calling the OP a liar, just saying it would not shock me if the story were, ummm, a wee touch exaggerated.

Is this Jussie Smollett?! :1rotfl:

[Cooperthecat]

My biggest pet peeve is bikes on a road with no bike/golf cart lane ie: Meggison, Morse, and Buena Vista. The bike club is the biggest offender. Use the mm path next to the road, dummies. Your own fault if something happens. Duh!!

So, when you say "Your own fault if something happens" do you mean if I run you over it's the cyclist that it at fault?

The cycling club uses the roadways and they take their safety very seriously. They're knowledgeable about the laws pertaining to riding a bike on the roads. Most of them have cameras on their bikes that just look like ordinary bike lights.

I would think twice before hitting a cyclist or trying to "flex" on them by passing closely. You may lose your argument that it's their fault.

Slow down and enjoy your retirement. It goes by too quick and you worked hard for it.

[Fastskiguy]

My biggest pet peeve is bikes on a road with no bike/golf cart lane ie: Meggison, Morse, and Buena Vista. The bike club is the biggest offender. Use the mm path next to the road, dummies. Your own fault if something happens. Duh!!

I’m so sorry you feel that way. Moving into the right lane to safety pass is simply too much a burden :(

Joe

[Velvet]

But, it will also show blowing thru stops signs? :D

Since you are the only one who has the video, unless you submit it….