Ufo's

[SHIBUMI]

Okay, now that a billion dollar industry has been made out of this fraud, it highlites
the gullability and paranoia of the American people........... so the goal is to create commerce thru non truths.............. and many will jump on board for the financial ride and the entertainment of it all.

Now that there are 1 billion, at least, camera phones in the world these sightings have stopped. hmmm

Never mind, Big Foot and the Lochness monster.......the tragedy here is that people are gullible to believe anything with even a small pebble of truth wrapped into fields of lies. Does the government really posses a flying saucer and dead alien bodies.

Please chime in with your experiences on ufo's and aliens and I am not talking about the younger generation. As we look back in time we realize how naive we really were. Will we ever get over that or are we just looking to convince someone else of something stupid for a laugh............:pepper2:

[Taltarzac725]

Beam me up Scottie!

[ElDiabloJoe]

Okay, now that a billion dollar industry has been made out of this fraud, it highlites
the gullability and paranoia of the American people........... so the goal is to create commerce thru non truths.............. and many will jump on board for the financial ride and the entertainment of it all.

Now that there are 1 billion, at least, camera phones in the world these sightings have stopped. hmmm

Never mind, Big Foot and the Lochness monster.......the tragedy here is that people are gullible to believe anything with even a small pebble of truth wrapped into fields of lies. Does the government really posses a flying saucer and dead alien bodies.

Please chime in with your experiences on ufo's and aliens and I am not talking about the younger generation. As we look back in time we realize how naive we really were. Will we ever get over that or are we just looking to convince someone else of something stupid for a laugh............:pepper2:
You forgot to add "Global Warming" to your list. Oh, wait, that got shot down so now it's under a much larger and easier to be vague term: "Climate Change."

[golfing eagles]

You forgot to add "Global Warming" to your list. Oh, wait, that got shot down so now it's under a much larger and easier to be vague term: "Climate Change."

Exactly! But as the OP stated, gullible people will believe anything.

[Caymus]

Okay, now that a billion dollar industry has been made out of this fraud, it highlites
the gullability and paranoia of the American people........... so the goal is to create commerce thru non truths.............. and many will jump on board for the financial ride and the entertainment of it all.

Now that there are 1 billion, at least, camera phones in the world these sightings have stopped. hmmm

Never mind, Big Foot and the Lochness monster.......the tragedy here is that people are gullible to believe anything with even a small pebble of truth wrapped into fields of lies. Does the government really posses a flying saucer and dead alien bodies.

Please chime in with your experiences on ufo's and aliens and I am not talking about the younger generation. As we look back in time we realize how naive we really were. Will we ever get over that or are we just looking to convince someone else of something stupid for a laugh............:pepper2:

Just another form of entertainment. Hopefully providing jobs/taxable income. Is money better spent on attending a Talyor Swift Concerts or traveling to someplace like Rosewell?

[michgary]

There is no connection between "climate change" fanatics, and the study of UAP's, please listen to this congressional hearing from 2023. Apparently you missed it. :22yikes:

Whistleblower testifies U.S. salvaged 'non-human biologics' from UFO crash sites : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190390376/ufo-hearing-non-human-biologics-uaps)

[Topspinmo]

Okay, now that a billion dollar industry has been made out of this fraud, it highlites
the gullability and paranoia of the American people........... so the goal is to create commerce thru non truths.............. and many will jump on board for the financial ride and the entertainment of it all.

Now that there are 1 billion, at least, camera phones in the world these sightings have stopped. hmmm

Never mind, Big Foot and the Lochness monster.......the tragedy here is that people are gullible to believe anything with even a small pebble of truth wrapped into fields of lies. Does the government really posses a flying saucer and dead alien bodies.

Please chime in with your experiences on ufo's and aliens and I am not talking about the younger generation. As we look back in time we realize how naive we really were. Will we ever get over that or are we just looking to convince someone else of something stupid for a laugh............:pepper2:

So you’re nonbeliever. Why does someone else beliefs bother you? :beer3:

[Topspinmo]

Just another form of entertainment. Hopefully providing jobs/taxable income. Is money better spent on attending a Talyor Swift Concerts or traveling to someplace like Rosewell?

Ever been to Rosewell not many travel there. Only thing you see on land scape are stick cactus and when get in Roswell small area UFO tourist traps like Disneyland.

[spd2918]

Whistleblower testifies U.S. salvaged 'non-human biologics' from UFO crash sites : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190390376/ufo-hearing-non-human-biologics-uaps)

That was a distraction and a joke. Zero evidence other than testimony.

[Bogie Shooter]

Speaking of lies………..

[michgary]

That was a distraction and a joke. Zero evidence other than testimony.

Um , so you believe those that testified are LYING,, all 3 of them,, and that your government WOULD NEVER cover up anything like that.

:a20::a20::a20:

Or did you not listen to the testimony under oath,, from the very brave military personnel that have been persecuted for doing so.

[ThirdOfFive]

Okay, now that a billion dollar industry has been made out of this fraud, it highlites
the gullability and paranoia of the American people........... so the goal is to create commerce thru non truths.............. and many will jump on board for the financial ride and the entertainment of it all.

Now that there are 1 billion, at least, camera phones in the world these sightings have stopped. hmmm

Never mind, Big Foot and the Lochness monster.......the tragedy here is that people are gullible to believe anything with even a small pebble of truth wrapped into fields of lies. Does the government really posses a flying saucer and dead alien bodies.

Please chime in with your experiences on ufo's and aliens and I am not talking about the younger generation. As we look back in time we realize how naive we really were. Will we ever get over that or are we just looking to convince someone else of something stupid for a laugh............:pepper2:
What I find fascinating is how that alien technology so closely resembles ours! I remember magazines back in the 50s and 60s, where people who saw UFOs (some even reported being abducted by them) where the artists' conception of what the people reported looked exactly like the technology of the time. Abductees reported instruments aboard the alien's ships that had analog dials and tuning knobs, to say nothing of the fact that some of those ships (in the earlier reports) had the general lines of a 1930s toaster or a flying cigar.

Thankfully, their technology seems to have evolved to keep pace with ours.

[fdpaq0580]

So you’re nonbeliever. Why does someone else beliefs bother you? :beer3:

Good question. Maybe, just maybe, there is a crack in their belief and other points of view make them feel uncomfortable and threatened. So they get defensive and try to put down the belief of others. A sad, but common, human trait.

[Taltarzac725]

Good question. Maybe, just maybe, there is a crack in their belief and other points of view make them feel uncomfortable and threatened. So they get defensive and try to put down the belief of others. A sad, but common, human trait.

Cannot see why any intelligent space travellers would want to have anything to do with us unless we become a threat after technological advances allow us to travel further out into space. Intelligent life would keep a distance and just watch with as few contacts as possible.

[fdpaq0580]

Cannot see why any intelligent space travellers would want to have anything to do with us unless we become a threat after technological advances allow us to travel further out into space. Intelligent life would keep a distance and just watch with as few contacts as possible.

Normally, yes. But entomologist like to see what the ants are up to. Just a thought. 🧐

[Eg_cruz]

So you’re nonbeliever. Why does someone else beliefs bother you? :beer3:
Touché

[jimbomaybe]

Touché

I believe in the "Great Pumpkin"

[SHIBUMI]

No matter how much evidence you provide, you will never convince an idiot.............

opinion without facts/real evidence just smells like manure ..........So you’re nonbeliever. Why does someone else beliefs bother you? :beer3:

[Arctic Fox]

A UFO is any Unidentified Flying Object.

It does not have to be from outer space, just a flying object that is unidentified.

Many are subsequently identified, so cease to be UFOs, but they were UFOs prior to identification.

No conspiracy theory here.

[jimbomaybe]

A UFO is any Unidentified Flying Object.

It does not have to be from outer space, just a flying object that is unidentified.

Many are subsequently identified, so cease to be UFOs, but they were UFOs prior to identification.

No conspiracy theory here.

There are some that insist that there are ETs and maintain that UFOs are the proof , and since there is not indisputable proof it must be a conspiracy to hide the truth

[Caymus]

Florida has the third most reported sightings.

Your browser is not supported | usatoday.com (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/06/28/ufo-sighting-colorado-red-rocks-employees/74247738007/)

[Battlebasset]

After WWII, there was a conspiracy theory that the Nazis had escaped to the moon, and set up shop there. It was all based on their work with V-2 rockets towards the end of the war. It all seemed so advanced to people at the time. You can find YouTube videos that discuss it, and about 10 years ago, a movie named "Iron Sky" used the theory to make a crazy story. Once people got educated, they dumped that belief, and seemed to have moved on the UFO belief.

Bottom line: Space is big. Really big. The nearest star would take 4.3 years to reach at the speed of light. Approaching that speed would take an enormous amount of energy. And there is plenty of scientific evidence that no physical being can go faster than the speed of light.

Add to that the issues with space/time as you approach the speed of light, and the fact that we have never, since looking for them starting in the early 70's, picked up any radio signals, leads me to only one conclusion: We have never been visited by alien life. And if intelligent life is out there, it's really far away. And rare.

As a fan of Star Trek and many things science fiction, I hate to say this but - most likely, we will never encounter life outside of Earth. And alien visitation is a fantasy.

[fdpaq0580]

As a fan of Star Trek and many things science fiction, I hate to say this but - most likely, we will never encounter life outside of Earth. And alien visitation is a fantasy.

As another Star Trek fan, while what you say is most likely true, still makes for fun movies.
👹👽🤡👾🤖

[Battlebasset]

As another Star Trek fan, while what you say is most likely true, still makes for fun movies.
👹👽🤡👾🤖

It does. And I don't say what I say with any delight. But I'm a realist. And the reality is that if there is intelligent alien life, it has not visited us.

[fdpaq0580]

What I find fascinating is how that alien technology so closely resembles ours! I remember magazines back in the 50s and 60s,
Thankfully, their technology seems to have evolved to keep pace with ours.

The British movie, Quatermass and the Pit, released in the U. S. as 5 Million Years to Earth, revealed a space ship without discernable controls or power system. Also, some interesting and disgusting aliens. Cool old movie worth watching if you like sci-fi, old school in B/ W.

[fdpaq0580]

It does. And I don't say what I say with any delight. But I'm a realist. And the reality is that if there is intelligent alien life, it has not visited us.

I agree ----- to a point. Every day we learn more about the universe we live in. That said, in my mind, virtually everything is possible, but much less is probable. Nothing, imvho, is 100% certain.

[michgary]

Im not surprised many people who post here do not follow current info that supports new info concerning unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAPs) ,, which is what they now call UFOs,,, its all here if you are interested,,, watch the video,, we have non human bio material

whttps://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190390376/ufo-hearing-non-human-biologics-ua

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Add to that the issues with space/time as you approach the speed of light, and the fact that we have never, since looking for them starting in the early 70's, picked up any radio signals, leads me to only one conclusion: We have never been visited by alien life. And if intelligent life is out there, it's really far away. And rare.


and rare?

Doubtful that its rare in the size of the universe, infinite!
Doubtful that it's rare in the Milky Way galaxy. .

Just impossible to know since as you state, there are just so many stars out there we can see, but we can't see the unlit planets out there, and they are so far away, that it's impossible to know. . so rare just wants us to be special. . but we really don't know nor can find out. .

[fdpaq0580]

A UFO is any Unidentified Flying Object.

It does not have to be from outer space, just a flying object that is unidentified.

Many are subsequently identified, so cease to be UFOs, but they were UFOs prior to identification.

No conspiracy theory here.

I have seen the "mysterious green lights" that make no sound. I have seen many strange things that I couldn't identify. UFOs, or UAPs. Aliens? I have no idea. Maybe. Maybe not. The "not" is the most probable, I believe. But I cannot be 100% certain.

[Lyarham]

Okay, now that a billion dollar industry has been made out of this fraud, it highlites
the gullability and paranoia of the American people........... so the goal is to create commerce thru non truths.............. and many will jump on board for the financial ride and the entertainment of it all.

Now that there are 1 billion, at least, camera phones in the world these sightings have stopped. hmmm

Never mind, Big Foot and the Lochness monster.......the tragedy here is that people are gullible to believe anything with even a small pebble of truth wrapped into fields of lies. Does the government really posses a flying saucer and dead alien bodies.

Please chime in with your experiences on ufo's and aliens and I am not talking about the younger generation. As we look back in time we realize how naive we really were. Will we ever get over that or are we just looking to convince someone else of something stupid for a laugh............:pepper2:

It’s all fake

[Cuervo]

What I believe is this hold topic is a joke.

What people believe in or don’t believe in as far as I’m concern is personal and at the end their beliefs might even pan out to be true.

If someone believes in space aliens or not, climate change or not does not make them gullible it’s just their beliefs.

I’m not religious and I’m sure many who are posting their negative opinions are worshipers of some sort. Though I do not subscribe to their religious beliefs and financially trough the tax system in this country I’m forced to support their beliefs in one way or another, I tolerate their beliefs without question because I know this is what they need to get themselves through the day.

[Battlebasset]

and rare?

Doubtful that its rare in the size of the universe, infinite!
Doubtful that it's rare in the Milky Way galaxy. .

Just impossible to know since as you state, there are just so many stars out there we can see, but we can't see the unlit planets out there, and they are so far away, that it's impossible to know. . so rare just wants us to be special. . but we really don't know nor can find out. .

I don't believe that ANYTHING is possible, I mean, Taylor Swift isn't going to ask me out, but I'm willing to state that there are any number of things that are not possible now, but might be later, based on scientific advancements.

But in the absence of any evidence as I've described, plus the issues with vast distances, light speed travel, much less faster than light travel, I can only draw one conclusion - we have never been visited by intelligent alien life.

Happy to be proven wrong. But no one has managed to do it yet.

[donfey]

Good question. Maybe, just maybe, there is a crack in their belief and other points of view make them feel uncomfortable and threatened. So they get defensive and try to put down the belief of others. A sad, but common, human trait.

"There's a sucker born every minute." Phineas T. Barnum.
Interestingly, that comment can apply to either side of an "argument" like this. Pick a subject.

[ThirdOfFive]

Bottom line: Space is big. Really big. The nearest star would take 4.3 years to reach at the speed of light. Approaching that speed would take an enormous amount of energy. And there is plenty of scientific evidence that no physical being can go faster than the speed of light.

Add to that the issues with space/time as you approach the speed of light, and the fact that we have never, since looking for them starting in the early 70's, picked up any radio signals, leads me to only one conclusion: We have never been visited by alien life. And if intelligent life is out there, it's really far away. And rare.


For most of human history the average speed on land was 3 mph. Speed under sail, particularly in open water, was a bit better: maybe 6 knots (about 7 mph). If you wanted to go coast-co-coast in 1860 you had several choices: covered wagon = 5-6 months. Taking a sailing ship around Cape Horn took roughly 200 days, assuming you got there at all. Going down to the isthmus of Panama, crossing overland and boating on up the Pacific coast took about 43 days. Then steam power came of age and with the transcontinental railroad you could get from NY to San Francisco in a week--and at 85% less cost. Today? About four hours.

Remember when the sound barrier, according to quite a few educated minds at the time, was NEVER going to be broken? We were also NEVER going to reach the moon. We would NEVER discover other planets because they didn't exist. Lots of NEVERS back then. Heck, I knew plenty of people in my youth who before Orville and Wilbur came on the scene thought that heavier-than-air flight was NEVER going to be achieved. Until it was.

I heard once some time back (1980?) that the sum total of humanity's knowledge doubles every two years. Maybe. Sounds like a huge number and I suck at math. But one thing I DO know is that the people claiming NEVER, will, in time, ALWAYS be wrong.

I probably won't be around to see it, but I have no doubt that my grandchildren will, one day, be able to see Voyagers 1 and 2 on display at the Smithsonian. And the history books of THEIR children will contain detail not only evidence of alien life but also the encounters between aliens and humans.

[Ptmcbriz]

Actually sightings have increased with all the cell phones, but you would know that if you listened to congressional hearings on the subject. Personally, I’ve taken photos and videos through my telescope of them. The one I photographed was a plasma ship that suddenly morphed into a solid spaceship and then morphed back into an energy plasma ship. Just because you haven’t experienced something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Out of trillions of planets the creator made, we aren’t the only beings in the universe. To think otherwise would be very elitist of us.

[kendi]

Seems the naivety is to think that in this great expanse of the universe we live in that we are the only living creatures. That this tiny dot that we call earth is the only place where life can exist. Kind of like when the supposedly wise used to say the earth is flat. Not willing to think outside of the box.

[ThirdOfFive]

Seems the naivety is to think that in this great expanse of the universe we live in that we are the only living creatures. That this tiny dot that we call earth is the only place where life can exist. Kind of like when the supposedly wise used to say the earth is flat. Not willing to think outside of the box.
Agreed.

Add to that also that we exist on a tiny rock about 400 or so degrees above absolute zero. Most of the real estate in this universe is far hotter, gassier, more radioactive and larger than our rock. We search for life as we know it: i.e. at approximately the same stage of technological development or a bit more, perceive time similarly to us, breathe oxygen, use electromagnetic waves for communication, and live on a rock similar to ours. But there could be other intelligent life in this universe, possibly in our own solar system, and maybe even on our rock, that is so different from ours that we are incapable of recognizing it.

Yet.

[jimmy o]

Okay, now that a billion dollar industry has been made out of this fraud, it highlites
the gullability and paranoia of the American people........... so the goal is to create commerce thru non truths.............. and many will jump on board for the financial ride and the entertainment of it all.

Now that there are 1 billion, at least, camera phones in the world these sightings have stopped. hmmm

Never mind, Big Foot and the Lochness monster.......the tragedy here is that people are gullible to believe anything with even a small pebble of truth wrapped into fields of lies. Does the government really posses a flying saucer and dead alien bodies.

Please chime in with your experiences on ufo's and aliens and I am not talking about the younger generation. As we look back in time we realize how naive we really were. Will we ever get over that or are we just looking to convince someone else of something stupid for a laugh............:pepper2:

This was released last year by FBI through National Archives. Make of it what you will.

[Driller703]

Okay, now that a billion dollar industry has been made out of this fraud, it highlites
the gullability and paranoia of the American people........... so the goal is to create commerce thru non truths.............. and many will jump on board for the financial ride and the entertainment of it all.

Now that there are 1 billion, at least, camera phones in the world these sightings have stopped. hmmm

Never mind, Big Foot and the Lochness monster.......the tragedy here is that people are gullible to believe anything with even a small pebble of truth wrapped into fields of lies. Does the government really posses a flying saucer and dead alien bodies.

Please chime in with your experiences on ufo's and aliens and I am not talking about the younger generation. As we look back in time we realize how naive we really were. Will we ever get over that or are we just looking to convince someone else of something stupid for a laugh............:pepper2:

Believing that we are alone in the universe is the ultimate hubris.
Let’s put you center stage in an arena with 10,000 people from ALL walks of life who claim to have seen a UAP; who have NOTHING at all to gain by relating their experiences except ridicule by people like you, and have you tell them all to their faces that they are all crazy. Who’s the A-hole now!!

[airstreamingypsy]

I lived in Connecticut, my house was beachfront on Long Island Sound. One night I went to bed, and noticed an odd saucer shaped thing with lights around it, in the corner on the big sliding doors to the deck. Hmmmm..... I watched it for what seemed like an eternity, because I knew it was over water, but didn't know why it was hovering in place. Planes don't do that. I fell asleep, and thought that was the end of it. The next night it was back! I actually woke my teenager up, and made her come look at it....... same thing. Never saw it after that second night. No one will ever convince me that there's no such thing, something is out there.

[Driller703]

Cannot see why any intelligent space travellers would want to have anything to do with us unless we become a threat after technological advances allow us to travel further out into space. Intelligent life would keep a distance and just watch with as few contacts as possible.
Their reasoning is probably beyond your comprehension. Why do some people earn PhDs. from studying insects. They have their reasons or they wouldn’t be doing it.

[ThirdOfFive]

Believing that we are alone in the universe is the ultimate hubris.
Let’s put you center stage in an arena with 10,000 people from ALL walks of life who claim to have seen a UAP; who have NOTHING at all to gain by relating their experiences except ridicule by people like you, and have you tell them all to their faces that they are all crazy. Who’s the A-hole now!!
How many reports of UAPs have there been since, say, WW 2? 10,000? 50,000? 500,000? More?

Let's go with the high number. 500,000. But if even ONE of those reports is the real deal, all of a sudden those other 499,999 don't matter.

[Driller703]

Im not surprised many people who post here do not follow current info that supports new info concerning unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAPs) ,, which is what they now call UFOs,,, its all here if you are interested,,, watch the video,, we have non human bio material

whttps://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190390376/ufo-hearing-non-human-biologics-ua

Non-believers these days, with the evidence available, are uninformed Luddites.

[LoisR]

Let's have a vote.
Who's the stupid one?
The non-believer or the one with several science degrees and a background of working "in the industry?"

[opinionist]

I have seen Chemtrails from geoengineering but no aliens to see there.
I have seen gaslighting propaganda from media outlets but no aliens to see there.
People who lead boring lives can chase stories of aliens if it gives their life purpose.

[CybrSage]

I believe in the "Great Pumpkin"

Each year, the Great Pumpkin rises out of the pumpkin patch that he thinks is the most sincere.

[CybrSage]

Though I do not subscribe to their religious beliefs and financially trough the tax system in this country I’m forced to support their beliefs in one way or another, I tolerate their beliefs without question because I know this is what they need to get themselves through the day.

And everyone supports the things you believe in the same fashion and all tolerate them because you need them to get yourself through the day.

Stop pretending you are better then others, it actually shows the exact opposite.

[ElDiabloJoe]

This was released last year by FBI through National Archives. Make of it what you will.

Huh, where are the attachments to the memo?

[Topspinmo]

"There's a sucker born every minute." Phineas T. Barnum.
Interestingly, that comment can apply to either side of an "argument" like this. Pick a subject.


The earth was flat up to around 16th century…. Suckers don’t have to be born :oops:

[Tobys Dad]

Exactly! But as the OP stated, gullible people will believe anything.
Gullible people attend religious services daily.

[Topspinmo]

No matter how much evidence you provide, you will never convince an idiot.............

opinion without facts/real evidence just smells like manure ..........

So why do you have theses opinions of others that bother you?

[Topspinmo]

After WWII, there was a conspiracy theory that the Nazis had escaped to the moon, and set up shop there. It was all based on their work with V-2 rockets towards the end of the war. It all seemed so advanced to people at the time. You can find YouTube videos that discuss it, and about 10 years ago, a movie named "Iron Sky" used the theory to make a crazy story. Once people got educated, they dumped that belief, and seemed to have moved on the UFO belief.

Bottom line: Space is big. Really big. The nearest star would take 4.3 years to reach at the speed of light. Approaching that speed would take an enormous amount of energy. And there is plenty of scientific evidence that no physical being can go faster than the speed of light.

Add to that the issues with space/time as you approach the speed of light, and the fact that we have never, since looking for them starting in the early 70's, picked up any radio signals, leads me to only one conclusion: We have never been visited by alien life. And if intelligent life is out there, it's really far away. And rare.

As a fan of Star Trek and many things science fiction, I hate to say this but - most likely, we will never encounter life outside of Earth. And alien visitation is a fantasy.

No just Argentina…..:wave:

[Topspinmo]

I don't believe that ANYTHING is possible, I mean, Taylor Swift isn't going to ask me out, but I'm willing to state that there are any number of things that are not possible now, but might be later, based on scientific advancements.

But in the absence of any evidence as I've described, plus the issues with vast distances, light speed travel, much less faster than light travel, I can only draw one conclusion - we have never been visited by intelligent alien life.

Happy to be proven wrong. But no one has managed to do it yet.

I agree Taylor swift will never ask you out if that important to you.

[fdpaq0580]

I don't believe that ANYTHING is possible, I mean, Taylor Swift isn't going to ask me out,
we have never been visited by intelligent alien life.

Happy to be proven wrong. But no one has managed to do it yet.

Just because something doesn't (or hasn't yet) happened does not mean that it couldn't happen.
Oh, and if it should come to pass, enjoy your date with Taylor. 😉

[Warcats]

Okay, now that a billion dollar industry has been made out of this fraud, it highlites
the gullability and paranoia of the American people........... so the goal is to create commerce thru non truths.............. and many will jump on board for the financial ride and the entertainment of it all.

Now that there are 1 billion, at least, camera phones in the world these sightings have stopped. hmmm

Never mind, Big Foot and the Lochness monster.......the tragedy here is that people are gullible to believe anything with even a small pebble of truth wrapped into fields of lies. Does the government really posses a flying saucer and dead alien bodies.

Please chime in with your experiences on ufo's and aliens and I am not talking about the younger generation. As we look back in time we realize how naive we really were. Will we ever get over that or are we just looking to convince someone else of something stupid for a laugh............:pepper2:Congress and the scientific community are well aware that many are real. The navy regularly encounters then. Wake up and do more research

[fdpaq0580]

The earth was flat up to around 16th century…. Suckers don’t have to be born :oops:

Then where did they come from?? 😶

[jimbomaybe]

Each year, the Great Pumpkin rises out of the pumpkin patch that he thinks is the most sincere.
And then everyone gets a slice of the sacred pumpkin pie

[fdpaq0580]

Each year, the Great Pumpkin rises out of the pumpkin patch that he thinks is the most sincere.

AT LAST! Someone who knows what they are talking about! My hat is off to you.
I've never actually seen the Great Pumpkin, but I live in hope.

[Escape Artist]

Okay, now that a billion dollar industry has been made out of this fraud, it highlites
the gullability and paranoia of the American people........... so the goal is to create commerce thru non truths.............. and many will jump on board for the financial ride and the entertainment of it all.

Now that there are 1 billion, at least, camera phones in the world these sightings have stopped. hmmm

Never mind, Big Foot and the Lochness monster.......the tragedy here is that people are gullible to believe anything with even a small pebble of truth wrapped into fields of lies. Does the government really posses a flying saucer and dead alien bodies.

Please chime in with your experiences on ufo's and aliens and I am not talking about the younger generation. As we look back in time we realize how naive we really were. Will we ever get over that or are we just looking to convince someone else of something stupid for a laugh............:pepper2:

Yeah! Who ya gonna believe the government or your own lyin’ eyes?

[fdpaq0580]

It’s all fake

Maybe. Maybe not. No one knows what they don’t know.
😉

[SteveKaren]

It's ROSWELL, not Rosewell.

[fdpaq0580]

It's ROSWELL, not Rosewell.

Then what happened in Rosewell? Inquiring minds want to know! 🤔🤨👽😱🤬

[Cuervo]

And everyone supports the things you believe in the same fashion and all tolerate them because you need them to get yourself through the day.

Stop pretending you are better then others, it actually shows the exact opposite.

One I do not care if people believe in what I believe in, also I do not need my beliefs to carry me through the day. Do I believe I'm better than everyone else,
I was a poor New York City kid who grew up in an apartment complex that had more people jammed in it than some small towns. In the type of environment, you either ignore or tolerate others. The one true belief I have is if you destroy the beliefs of many, there would be a meltdown of the suicide how line.

[manaboutown]

just another form of entertainment. Hopefully providing jobs/taxable income. Is money better spent on attending a talyor swift concerts or traveling to someplace like rosewell?

Roswell. Roswell incident - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_incident)

For those interested a fellow in Rio Rancho, NM has established a museum of UFO sighting records and memorabilia.

UFO records archive finds new home with Rio Rancho Public Schools - KOB.com (https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/ufo-records-archive-to-move-into-rio-rancho-school/)

[SHIBUMI]

You know your going to hell for that!!!!!!!


Gullible people attend religious services daily.

[SHIBUMI]

Watched too much Dragnet on TV........ just the facts ma'm, just the facts........opinions are thoughts without facts...........following them is a fools errand........opinions are held to hold onto your sanity.........thats their purpose...
we have too many opinions in the world today..........probably why there are 30,000 therapists in the U.S....I think you can go on line for help............


So why do you have theses opinions of others that bother you?

[Lottoguy]

My guess is you tune out everything that is not inside your belief system. Have you not watched the Congresstional Hearings on this subject? Have you not seen the US Navy videos from the USS Nimitz encounter? Have you not heard of Area 51 and the government only admitting its existance 10 years ago after denying it for 50 years. Please read more about this interesting subject. You can start with "The Day After Roswell" and read the NY TIMES cover story on the subject on December 16, 2017.

[Lottoguy]

Majestic Documents (https://majesticdocuments.com/)

[Lottoguy]

Please read through these documents that your eyes have never seen. Then chime back in.

Majestic Documents (https://majesticdocuments.com/)

[SHIBUMI]

So, you honestly believe this malarkey.....hmmmm

My guess is you tune out everything that is not inside your belief system. Have you not watched the Congresstional Hearings on this subject? Have you not seen the US Navy videos from the USS Nimitz encounter? Have you not heard of Area 51 and the government only admitting its existance 10 years ago after denying it for 50 years. Please read more about this interesting subject. You can start with "The Day After Roswell" and read the NY TIMES cover story on the subject on December 16, 2017.

[Lottoguy]

Read "Witness to Roswell" and "The Day After Roswell" to get you off to a fast start.

Then go to these papers to learn more. Majestic Documents (https://majesticdocuments.com/)

[Lottoguy]

Majestic Documents (https://majesticdocuments.com/)

[ElDiabloJoe]

I don't have a horse in this race, so to speak, but a trip through search-engine land has resulted in the distinct possibility that the Majestic 12 documents are fake. Apparently, as determined in the 1980's by the U.S. Air Force. Link below:

Attention Required! | Cloudflare (https://vault.fbi.gov/Majestic%2012)

[Princeton]

I’m up in the air on this one. no pun intended. I do wonder why the government had to change it from UFO to UAP. They always have to stick their nose into everything. I saw the testimonies. I saw the footage and I still have trouble believing.
As far as climate change, it’s real but it has nothing to do with us, and we’re very arrogant to think that we can fix it. Climate change people should read the science behind it. They would realize our planet goes through this every million years and it’s proven. It’s not our fault. It’s nothing we do. It’s just our planet. If the climate change people want to get off their butts and actually do anything besides just complain, they could work on pollution, littering, stuff that actually might clean up our water and air. Funny when you watch the weather channel they talk about the temperature rising and then they show the record temperature was higher 20 years ago. And don’t get me started on people who think electric cars save the planet. I love electric cars, but to think that they’re actually cleaning the environment is just crazy. Creating that electric uses more natural resources than gas cars, not to mention the toxic waste dumps left behind to make those batteries and then when you dump those toxic batteries into landfills I can’t even imagine the mess. BUT I’ll be gone by then.☺️
Everyone has the right to believe what they wanna believe. If you wanna believe in UAP then more power to you? If you want to believe your electric car helps with the environment I’d say do your research but again more power to you.. I believe and live and let live just don’t mess with my life.

[jimbomaybe]

My guess is you tune out everything that is not inside your belief system. Have you not watched the Congresstional Hearings on this subject? Have you not seen the US Navy videos from the USS Nimitz encounter? Have you not heard of Area 51 and the government only admitting its existance 10 years ago after denying it for 50 years. Please read more about this interesting subject. You can start with "The Day After Roswell" and read the NY TIMES cover story on the subject on December 16, 2017.

I am a skeptic, why would the different "Earth" governments hide this information ? From what little I have seen there are reports of numerous ET visits, given the size of the universe , the distances involved why are we so popular ?

[fdpaq0580]

[QUOTE=Princeton;2345786]I’m up in the air on this one. no pun intended. I do wonder why the government had to change it from UFO to UAP. They always have to stick their nose into everything. I saw the testimonies. I saw the footage and I still have trouble believing.

UFO=Unidentified Flying Object, Is a smaller range of possibilities than UAP=Unidentified Aerial Phenomena. UAP opens the door for things that don't "fly" in the conventional way, like a plane. Things that seem to float or hover, odd lights or clouds, mirages, meteors and other things that appear in the sky that may defy a logical explanation. I have seen UAPs several times. But I never attributed/equated them to extraterrestrials. Just odd things in the sky that I had no answer for.

[fdpaq0580]

I am a skeptic, why would the different "Earth" governments hide this information ? From what little I have seen there are reports of numerous ET visits, given the size of the universe , the distances involved why are we so popular ?

Popular? They just discovered a unique and primitive species. Of course we are Popular. Like finding a living family of squabbling pterodactyl. Everbody out there can't wait to get a look at us. Smile! You're on candid extraterrestrial camera. 👽👽👽👾👾🤖🤖👹👹👹

[ThirdOfFive]

I am a skeptic, why would the different "Earth" governments hide this information ? From what little I have seen there are reports of numerous ET visits, given the size of the universe , the distances involved why are we so popular ?
Klaatu.
Barada.
Nikto.

[fdpaq0580]

Klaatu.
Barada.
Nikto.

If only ....
🖖👽 Thanks, pal. But if we can't get our s--t together, we probably will do neither. 😞

[defrey12]

Cannot see why any intelligent space travellers would want to have anything to do with us unless we become a threat after technological advances allow us to travel further out into space. Intelligent life would keep a distance and just watch with as few contacts as possible.

…unless they need an organic food source.

[Tnbrewer]

Okay, now that a billion dollar industry has been made out of this fraud, it highlites
the gullability and paranoia of the American people........... so the goal is to create commerce thru non truths.............. and many will jump on board for the financial ride and the entertainment of it all.

Now that there are 1 billion, at least, camera phones in the world these sightings have stopped. hmmm

Never mind, Big Foot and the Lochness monster.......the tragedy here is that people are gullible to believe anything with even a small pebble of truth wrapped into fields of lies. Does the government really posses a flying saucer and dead alien bodies.

Please chime in with your experiences on ufo's and aliens and I am not talking about the younger generation. As we look back in time we realize how naive we really were. Will we ever get over that or are we just looking to convince someone else of something stupid for a laugh............:pepper2:

Many in The Villages have seen UFO
All the locations with nukes have been visited! A SAC base I was at was visited in 1975

Just because you think they are not real is what the government wants u to do!


There are many pictures of them you have to look for them as the comprises to the not real free speech keeps them off local news

See Steven Greer on YouTube or Netflix he is one of many from the last 50+ years!

[jimbomaybe]

Many in The Villages have seen UFO
All the locations with nukes have been visited! A SAC base I was at was visited in 1975

Just because you think they are not real is what the government wants u to do!


There are many pictures of them you have to look for them as the comprises to the not real free speech keeps them off local news

See Steven Greer on YouTube or Netflix he is one of many from the last 50+ years!

And the group/agency responsible for hiding this "truth" fly around in black helicopters

[CoachKandSportsguy]

I don't believe that ANYTHING is possible, I mean, Taylor Swift isn't going to ask me out, but I'm willing to state that there are any number of things that are not possible now, but might be later, based on scientific advancements.

But in the absence of any evidence as I've described, plus the issues with vast distances, light speed travel, much less faster than light travel, I can only draw one conclusion - we have never been visited by intelligent alien life.

Happy to be proven wrong. But no one has managed to do it yet.

I agree with you that we haven't been visited by aliens, for the same reasons.
but that is not about what i was disagreeing with you.

[ThirdOfFive]

Anybody remember an original Twilight Zone episode "To Serve Man".

[CybrSage]

Gullible people attend religious services daily.

Why is your faith based belief the only correct one but others are gullible for their faith based beliefs?

[CybrSage]

But in the absence of any evidence as I've described...


Anyone with any sort of appreciation of knowledge of science know that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

As an aside:
If naturalistic evolution is correct, there must be other intelligent life out there in our own galaxy. Most would be far, far older races than humanity simply due to our stat being so young.

Assuming no race could ever figure out to to bypass the speed of light with a million extra years to figure it out is silly. A great many scientists claimed it was impossible to break the speed of sound... obviously wrong. Good thing others did not prescribe to their faith based belief. Just like I am glad others do not prescribe to yours.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

As an aside:
If naturalistic evolution is correct, there must be other intelligent life out there in our own galaxy. Most would be far, far older races than humanity simply due to our stat being so young.


I went to a very small audience talk by Carl Sagan whilst in high school. I asked him if life existed on other planets in the universe. . He said "Yes" I will take that answer over everyone else's answers that we are the only ones in existence.

as far as alien space time travel. . . all lovers of science fiction.. . .

[michgary]

It is not uncommon for older individuals to be incapable of understanding new concepts that attempt to explain reality. In fact it is the norm. This thread case in point. :read:

[fdpaq0580]

Anybody remember an original Twilight Zone episode "To Serve Man".

Of course. Gives a new twist to BBQ ribs. Humans taste like pork. Ah, or so I've been told. 😏😋👽

[golfing eagles]

Anyone with any sort of appreciation of knowledge of science know that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

As an aside:
If naturalistic evolution is correct, there must be other intelligent life out there in our own galaxy. Most would be far, far older races than humanity simply due to our stat being so young.

Assuming no race could ever figure out to to bypass the speed of light with a million extra years to figure it out is silly. A great many scientists claimed it was impossible to break the speed of sound... obviously wrong. Good thing others did not prescribe to their faith based belief. Just like I am glad others do not prescribe to yours.

True. But I think the whole issue of alien encounters hinges on whether there is any possible way to achieve faster (and probably much faster) that light travel---whether it be wormholes/stargates, hyperspace/subspace, or warp drive. An extension of the Drake equation with all the new information from the Hubble and James Webb telescopes would suggest there are upwards of 40 TRILLION civilizations at least as advanced as ours in the observable universe. However, without FTL travel, the only ones that could ever interact with each other would be in the same solar system as each other.

Now, if FTL travel is possible and aliens were looking for other "intelligent" life, our only detectable signals are now only about 90 light years out, and quite faint at that. Five thousand years ago we were "dark". So now, on our little rock orbiting an insignificant star on the edge of one of the spiral arms of an insignificant galaxy, the aliens would have to have stumbled upon us, and curious enough not to be repulsed by our primitive behavior. The odds are pretty low when you put all this together. But in the unlikely case that it was true, it certainly would shed light on some of the mysteries of our past.

[Two Bills]

I was abducted by an Alien from my local pub when I was 18, and home on leave from the military.

Turns out these aliens are female, about 38 years old, and from Finland.
It let me go in the morning, and unfortunately, I never met one again! :shrug:

[jimbomaybe]

True. But I think the whole issue of alien encounters hinges on whether there is any possible way to achieve faster (and probably much faster) that light travel---whether it be wormholes/stargates, hyperspace/subspace, or warp drive. An extension of the Drake equation with all the new information from the Hubble and James Webb telescopes would suggest there are upwards of 40 TRILLION civilizations at least as advanced as ours in the observable universe. However, without FTL travel, the only ones that could ever interact with each other would be in the same solar system as each other.

Now, if FTL travel is possible and aliens were looking for other "intelligent" life, our only detectable signals are now only about 90 light years out, and quite faint at that. Five thousand years ago we were "dark". So now, on our little rock orbiting an insignificant star on the edge of one of the spiral arms of an insignificant galaxy, the aliens would have to have stumbled upon us, and curious enough not to be repulsed by our primitive behavior. The odds are pretty low when you put all this together. But in the unlikely case that it was true, it certainly would shed light on some of the mysteries of our past.
"
40 TRILLION civilizations at least as advanced as ours in the observable universe. "
How can this be anything else than pure speculation' on what any individual guess of the odds. There is only one data point. planet Earth,

[golfing eagles]

"
40 TRILLION civilizations at least as advanced as ours in the observable universe. "
How can this be anything else than pure speculation' on what any individual guess of the odds. There is only one data point. planet Earth,

Google the Drake equation, then plug in recent estimates from our space telescopes----2 trillion galaxies, 1 trillion stars each, and over 1/2 with planetary systems and see. Yes, it is all speculation, and yes, I used the high estimates as well---but to suggest we are alone in the universe is to state the estimates and speculations are off by 39,999,999,999,999----highly unlikely

[jimbomaybe]

Google the Drake equation, then plug in recent estimates from our space telescopes----2 trillion galaxies, 1 trillion stars each, and over 1/2 with planetary systems and see. Yes, it is all speculation, and yes, I used the high estimates as well---but to suggest we are alone in the universe is to state the estimates and speculations are off by 39,999,999,999,999----highly unlikely
With only one data point the accent is on what odds you except, Life ?, intelligent life? ,comparable intelligence ? , greater intelligence? piling speculation on top of speculation , add human nature to normalize ones own experience and situation . It would be great to find out for sure , but I think it unlikely we ever will, but happy to be wrong

[golfing eagles]

With only one data point the accent is on what odds you except, Life ?, intelligent life? ,comparable intelligence ? , greater intelligence? piling speculation on top of speculation , add human nature to normalize ones own experience and situation . It would be great to find out for sure , but I think it unlikely we ever will, but happy to be wrong

Unless FTL travel is possible, we will probably never find out. And that might be a really good thing. I forget who---Isaac Asimov or Carl Sagan that suggested any two spacefaring civilizations that met each other would be so different and so unequal in technology that one would simply wipe out the other. Somehow, we tend to think any civilization that is advanced enough to traverse interstellar space is friendly and benign. I submit-----the Borg :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Battlebasset]

Anyone with any sort of appreciation of knowledge of science know that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

As an aside:
If naturalistic evolution is correct, there must be other intelligent life out there in our own galaxy. Most would be far, far older races than humanity simply due to our stat being so young.

Assuming no race could ever figure out to to bypass the speed of light with a million extra years to figure it out is silly. A great many scientists claimed it was impossible to break the speed of sound... obviously wrong. Good thing others did not prescribe to their faith based belief. Just like I am glad others do not prescribe to yours.

But what we have right now is just absence. And breaking the speed of sound is a far cry from being able to travel at 186,000 miles per second.

And you may well be right. But right now there is no hard evidence you are, just alot of speculation that because the universe is so big, there just HAS to be other intelligent life out there and they MUST have figured out a way to cover the vast distances of space quickly because they MUST be so much older/more advanced than us. Oh, and totally sidestepping the issue of space/time that comes with lightspeed travel.

Several other posts fall back on "anything is possible" as a way to open the door to all possibilities. Well, "Anything is Possible" is why people buy Mega Millions lottery tickets. Explain to them that the odds are 1 in 302,575,350 and they would have to buy 30,257,535 combinations at $2 each for $60,515,070 just to have a 10% chance of winning, and at the very least, you might get them to stop buying more than one ticket per drawing, thus throwing less money down a rat hole.

As I've posted before, happy to be wrong, and I want to see space exploration continue. But the thought that we have been visited by intelligent species is fantasy, at least until I see hard evidence. Not tin foil hat stuff.

[ElDiabloJoe]

I was abducted by an Alien from my local pub when I was 18, and home on leave from the military.

Turns out these aliens are female, about 38 years old, and from Finland.
It let me go in the morning, and unfortunately, I never met one again! :shrug:

That was no alien, that was a cougar!

[jimbomaybe]

Unless FTL travel is possible, we will probably never find out. And that might be a really good thing. I forget who---Isaac Asimov or Carl Sagan that suggested any two spacefaring civilizations that met each other would be so different and so unequal in technology that one would simply wipe out the other. Somehow, we tend to think any civilization that is advanced enough to traverse interstellar space is friendly and benign. I submit-----the Borg :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
As a principal I don't know if intelligence would equate with benign or friendly if the other has anything of value you would want, Hey tomorrow morning we all get together, axes in hand ,go to the other end of the valley and take out those Neanderthals, their axes and spears ain't worth squat, no organization, strong as an auroch , but dumb as can be , they are thinning the resources and we need to stop it, take a slave or two, our grandfathers did it some time ago , its time to push them out completely

[golfing eagles]

As a principal I don't know if intelligence would equate with benign or friendly if the other has anything of value you would want, Hey tomorrow morning we all get together, axes in hand ,go to the other end of the valley and take out those Neanderthals, their axes and spears ain't worth squat, no organization, strong as an auroch , but dumb as can be , they are thinning the resources and we need to stop it, take a slave or two, our grandfathers did it some time ago , its time to push them out completely

And then again, concepts such as friendly, belligerent, good and bad might not exist in their culture. Just hope we are not the equivalent of filet mignon in their diets.

[ElDiabloJoe]

And then again, concepts such as friendly, belligerent, good and bad might not exist in their culture. Just hope we are not the equivalent of filet mignon in their diets.

Kinda like lawyers, who do not necessarily believe in right vs wrong, or moral vs immoral. All they care about is legal vs illegal. That is the moral code of many.

[Topspinmo]

But what we have right now is just absence. And breaking the speed of sound is a far cry from being able to travel at 186,000 miles per second.

And you may well be right. But right now there is no hard evidence you are, just alot of speculation that because the universe is so big, there just HAS to be other intelligent life out there and they MUST have figured out a way to cover the vast distances of space quickly because they MUST be so much older/more advanced than us. Oh, and totally sidestepping the issue of space/time that comes with lightspeed travel.

Several other posts fall back on "anything is possible" as a way to open the door to all possibilities. Well, "Anything is Possible" is why people buy Mega Millions lottery tickets. Explain to them that the odds are 1 in 302,575,350 and they would have to buy 30,257,535 combinations at $2 each for $60,515,070 just to have a 10% chance of winning, and at the very least, you might get them to stop buying more than one ticket per drawing, thus throwing less money down a rat hole.

As I've posted before, happy to be wrong, and I want to see space exploration continue. But the thought that we have been visited by intelligent species is fantasy, at least until I see hard evidence. Not tin foil hat stuff.

So do others think you’re believes matter? Just one out of 2 trillion plus? Why is so important to make believers or non believers. So don’t believe, it only matters to them. It also don’t matter what I believe either. That would be 2 out of 2 trillion plus.

[Topspinmo]

Kinda like lawyers, who do not necessarily believe in right vs wrong, or moral vs immoral. All they care about is legal vs illegal. That is the moral code of many.

No for lawyers it’s ALL about the money, morality has nothing to do with it. Laws are writing by lawyers so the can argue what legal till cows come home. The more arguments the more money.

[CybrSage]

...as far as alien space time travel. . . all lovers of science fiction.. . .

Sagan would be saddened that you think so little of humanity.
I am just happy the people who created faster the sound travel did not listen to the people who falsely claimed it was only possible in science fiction.
Just like In happy those who created heavier than air flight did not listen to those who claimed it could only exist in science fiction.

[Topspinmo]

As a principal I don't know if intelligence would equate with benign or friendly if the other has anything of value you would want, Hey tomorrow morning we all get together, axes in hand ,go to the other end of the valley and take out those Neanderthals, their axes and spears ain't worth squat, no organization, strong as an auroch , but dumb as can be , they are thinning the resources and we need to stop it, take a slave or two, our grandfathers did it some time ago , its time to push them out completely

Slaves have been around from beginning when one human took control. Once one took control the other was slave. Slavery still going strong we or majority just don’t see it first hand.

[CybrSage]

True. But I think the whole issue of alien encounters hinges on whether there is any possible way to achieve faster (and probably much faster) that light travel---whether it be wormholes/stargates, hyperspace/subspace, or warp drive. An extension of the Drake equation with all the new information from the Hubble and James Webb telescopes would suggest there are upwards of 40 TRILLION civilizations at least as advanced as ours in the observable universe. However, without FTL travel, the only ones that could ever interact with each other would be in the same solar system as each other.

Now, if FTL travel is possible and aliens were looking for other "intelligent" life, our only detectable signals are now only about 90 light years out, and quite faint at that. Five thousand years ago we were "dark". So now, on our little rock orbiting an insignificant star on the edge of one of the spiral arms of an insignificant galaxy, the aliens would have to have stumbled upon us, and curious enough not to be repulsed by our primitive behavior. The odds are pretty low when you put all this together. But in the unlikely case that it was true, it certainly would shed light on some of the mysteries of our past.

Only if you limit yourself to current human technology for detection of life and ability to travel through space. I like to think humans are just starting out with such things. Given a million more years of innovation and I bet we can detect life in vastly superior ways than we do today and travel through the cosmos in ways we have yet to even create in science fiction.

I accept that you disagree and think humans and all other life forms are incapable of inventing new things that appear to be break what we call rules today, just like humans did with so many other rules we claimed are impossible to break.

Heck, just a few decades ago, War of the Worlds has the aliens using MASERS. We have since invented them even though it was soundly science fiction.

[CybrSage]

But what we have right now is just absence. And breaking the speed of sound is a far cry from being able to travel at 186,000 miles per second.


You are still claiming the absence of evidence is evidence of absence. You are still wrong. Absence of evidence shows nothing except we have no evidence.

Now, if you wish to claim you are holding a faith based belief, then no problem. Believe anything you want, just know it is purely faith based.

Purposely placing arbitrary limits on human inventions is silly...just like it was when people insisted humans could never fly through the air.

[CybrSage]

With only one data point...

If naturalistic evolution is correct there must be life out there and it must have been around far longer than us.

[jimbomaybe]

If naturalistic evolution is correct there must be life out there and it must have been around far longer than us.
Life is a fact , my understanding is our sun is a second perhaps third generation , that does not give any guidance as to how common life is or likely for intelligence to develop, certainly we can not be sure as to all the possible forms of life under what conditions . A large number of things had to occur for life as we know it here, one data point tells little about likelihood. Our experience here tell us intelligent life is a very recent thing . Environmentalist tell us we are well on our way to extinguishing ourselves, could be intelligence is self limiting, any number of scenarios could take us out or the whole planet or send everything back to start. With only the very limited knowledge and time span how can we be sure of much of anything. The idea of ET visitors has little to substantiate it.

[Battlebasset]

[QUOTE=CybrSage;2346092]You are still claiming the absence of evidence is evidence of absence. You are still wrong. Absence of evidence shows nothing except we have no evidence.

"Absence of evidence shows nothing except we have no evidence."

Well, I can't argue with that. Using that logic one can believe in anything. No evidence required.

We are going to have to agree to disagree. But if evidence of UFOs being piloted by alien intelligence ever springs up, happy to admit I was wrong. But right now, nothing tells me that I am. Cheers.

[golfing eagles]

[QUOTE=CybrSage;2346092]You are still claiming the absence of evidence is evidence of absence. You are still wrong. Absence of evidence shows nothing except we have no evidence.

"Absence of evidence shows nothing except we have no evidence."

Well, I can't argue with that. Using that logic one can believe in anything. No evidence required.

We are going to have to agree to disagree. But if evidence of UFOs being piloted by alien intelligence ever springs up, happy to admit I was wrong. But right now, nothing tells me that I am. Cheers.

Please don't mock my deep and abiding belief in Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster, the Abominable Snow Man and the Great Pumpkin :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[fdpaq0580]

[QUOTE=Battlebasset;2346109]

Please don't mock my deep and abiding belief in Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster, the Abominable Snow Man and the Great Pumpkin :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I won't mock your beliefs if you don't mock mine. It's 5 o'clock! I believe I'll have a scotch, neat!

[Stu from NYC]

[QUOTE=Battlebasset;2346109]

Please don't mock my deep and abiding belief in Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster, the Abominable Snow Man and the Great Pumpkin :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

We were very upset that on our cruise of Loch Ness, Nessie refused to come out and play

[ThirdOfFive]

Of course. Gives a new twist to BBQ ribs. Humans taste like pork. Ah, or so I've been told. 😏😋👽
I heard that too.

For a particularly graphic twist, see "The Dead Lands", a movie about pre-European Maori people in New Zealand. All Maori actors with English subtitles. Gives "having people over for dinner" a whole new twist.

[golfing eagles]

I heard that too.

For a particularly graphic twist, see "The Dead Lands", a movie about pre-European Maori people in New Zealand. All Maori actors with English subtitles. Gives "having people over for dinner" a whole new twist.

There was a disease, thought to be extinct now that was confined to the highlands of New Guinea call Kuru. It was a prion disease similar to Creutzfeldt-Jacob in humans or Bovine Spongiform Encephalitis in cattle. The only means of transmission was ingesting the brain of a human that was infected. Hopefully extinct, anyway.

[Shipping up to Boston]

[QUOTE=CybrSage;2346092]You are still claiming the absence of evidence is evidence of absence. You are still wrong. Absence of evidence shows nothing except we have no evidence.

"Absence of evidence shows nothing except we have no evidence."

Well, I can't argue with that. Using that logic one can believe in anything. No evidence required.

We are going to have to agree to disagree. But if evidence of UFOs being piloted by alien intelligence ever springs up, happy to admit I was wrong. But right now, nothing tells me that I am. Cheers.

"No evidence required"
That should be the tag line of ToTV!

[Topspinmo]

Then what happened in Rosewell? Inquiring minds want to know! 🤔🤨👽😱🤬

Same thing that happen in Roswell. Cover up..

[Topspinmo]

I believe in the "Great Pumpkin"

And why should we care? :eclipsee_gold_cup:

[michgary]

Please do not equate those that believe a sasquatch or a lockness monster or a big snow man all exist,, with the military personnel of the US Navy and Air Force who have witnessed first hand things you will never see. You are better than that. Or maybe you are not. What they are telling you are not beliefs they are first hand observations,, and you do not care to believe what they say.

[fdpaq0580]

Same thing that happen in Roswell. Cover up..

That's great news! I've been really worried about them.
🥹

[fdpaq0580]

And why should we care? :eclipsee_gold_cup:

I care! If you don't believe, then the Great Pumpkin will never let you see him, or her, or it, or, or,! Oh, Poo!

[fdpaq0580]

There was a disease, thought to be extinct now that was confined to the highlands of New Guinea call Kuru. It was a prion disease similar to Creutzfeldt-Jacob in humans or Bovine Spongiform Encephalitis in cattle. The only means of transmission was ingesting the brain of a human that was infected. Hopefully extinct, anyway.

Had that. Twice! But the chicken soup cured it.
BUT I'mmuch better n0w!

[Two Bills]

There was a disease, thought to be extinct now that was confined to the highlands of New Guinea call Kuru. It was a prion disease similar to Creutzfeldt-Jacob in humans or Bovine Spongiform Encephalitis in cattle. The only means of transmission was ingesting the brain of a human that was infected. Hopefully extinct, anyway.

That's the last time I eat brawn, or head cheese, as you foreigners call it!

[ThirdOfFive]

[QUOTE=Battlebasset;2346109]

Please don't mock my deep and abiding belief in Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster, the Abominable Snow Man and the Great Pumpkin :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Sasquatch exists! I have proof.

I dated her in high school.

[jimbomaybe]

And why should we care? :eclipsee_gold_cup:

These UFO sighting are all manifestations of the Great Pumpkin that the government is trying to supress , please come into the light

[Shipping up to Boston]

There was a disease, thought to be extinct now that was confined to the highlands of New Guinea call Kuru. It was a prion disease similar to Creutzfeldt-Jacob in humans or Bovine Spongiform Encephalitis in cattle. The only means of transmission was ingesting the brain of a human that was infected. Hopefully extinct, anyway.

So im still good for Tuesday tripe night, Doc?! :1rotfl:

[Shipping up to Boston]

Sorry.... but I was told this was the place to go for the TV Psychedelic Renaissance Club. No?!

[Stu from NYC]

They are out there watching us.:spoken:

[Shipping up to Boston]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;2346113]
Sasquatch exists! I have proof.

I dated her in high school.

You dated Rosie O'Donnell?!

[fdpaq0580]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;2346113]
Sasquatch exists! I have proof.

I dated her in high school.

STCs (sexually transmitted cooties) don't count.

Oh, wild thing, you make my crotch sting....

[fdpaq0580]

They are out there watching us.:spoken:

That is why we put on this show. To entertain them. The whole world is a stage, and each must play their part!

[Topspinmo]

These UFO sighting are all manifestations of the Great Pumpkin that the government is trying to supress , please come into the light


Opinions? So many!

[Topspinmo]

[QUOTE=Battlebasset;2346109]

Please don't mock my deep and abiding belief in Sasquatch, the Loch Ness Monster, the Abominable Snow Man and the Great Pumpkin :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:


I bet you believe in birdies too… :mornincoffee:

[blueash]

Believing that we are alone in the universe is the ultimate hubris.
Let’s put you center stage in an arena with 10,000 people from ALL walks of life who claim to have seen a UAP; who have NOTHING at all to gain by relating their experiences except ridicule by people like you, and have you tell them all to their faces that they are all crazy. Who’s the A-hole now!!

Read this signature line

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting some hard battle."

and try to figure out how the same person who wrote the comment has that as a sig line.

[Two Bills]

They are out there watching us.:spoken:

:agree:
Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they are not there!:eek:

[Shipping up to Boston]

Read this signature line

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting some hard battle."

and try to figure out how the same person who wrote the comment has that as a sig line.

For once I agree with you...this time. If that was my work, i'd be enjoying a two week...involuntary 'vacation' courtesy of our 'hosts'. But whos counting! ;)

[Davonu]

So far I have seen no proof that they’re out there.

But imo, we will never see proof that they are not out there. :)

[Shipping up to Boston]

So far I have seen no proof that they’re out there.

But imo, we will never see proof that they are not out there. :)

I like that....its kinda like "it depends what your definition of is...is" .But in a southern accent!

[ThirdOfFive]

That's the last time I eat brawn, or head cheese, as you foreigners call it!
Did some clicking on that and found out that headcheese originated in...Scotland! And here I always thought we had the Germans to thank for that.

Well done though it's some good stuff. Mom would take a steer's head and a pig's head, me or another brother would cut them in half with a chain saw, and after they were cleaned out she'd boil both of them in a huge pot for a good 12 hours or so until the meat fell off the bones. She'd pick out the bones and season up the slurry, then simmer it until most of the liquid was gone, pour what was left into bread pans, and when cool we had loaves of really tasty meat. Better than you can buy anywhere.

Never heard it called "brawn" before though.

[fdpaq0580]

Did some clicking on that and found out that headcheese originated in...Scotland! And here I always thought we had the Germans to thank for that.

Well done though it's some good stuff. Mom would take a steer's head and a pig's head, me or another brother would cut them in half with a chain saw, and after they were cleaned out she'd boil both of them in a huge pot for a good 12 hours or so until the meat fell off the bones. She'd pick out the bones and season up the slurry, then simmer it until most of the liquid was gone, pour what was left into bread pans, and when cool we had loaves of really tasty meat. Better than you can buy anywhere.

Never heard it called "brawn" before though.

😟🤢🤮 Sorry. I've eaten head cheese before, but I've never had to endure the description of how it's made. I think I'll give it a pass in the future.

[Lottoguy]

Just because we can't get there doesn't mean "they" can't get here. Imagine somebody saying you can't cross the ocean in a day in 1880? Only a short time later we can cross an ocean by jetliner easily in less the a day. We went from learning to fly in 1903 to landing on the moon in 1969 in just 66 years. Just imagine what others can do on other planets that are millions of years ahead of us. That is what people should consider.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Just because we can't get there doesn't mean "they" can't here. Imagine somebody saying you can't cross the ocean in a day in 1880? Only a short time later we can cross an ocean by jetliner easily in less the a day. We went from learning to fly in 1903 to landing on the moon in 1969 in just 66 years. Just imagine what others can do on other planets that are millions of years ahead of us. That is what people should consider.

If true, Bezos, Musk and Branson will be there to scope it out first....for the rest of us

[Lottoguy]

The greatest ignorance is attacking something or someone that you know nothing about.

[Lottoguy]

My guess is one word "water". According to the many experts every living thing needs water to survive. Maybe Earth is that proverbial oasis in the cosmos. Many dead planets are out there but Earth just might be a key to life for many things we just don't understand right now.

[Topspinmo]

I like that....its kinda like "it depends what your definition of is...is" .But in a southern accent!


Probably better understood than NE’er accent. :popcorn:

[golfing eagles]

Just because we can't get there doesn't mean "they" can't get here. Imagine somebody saying you can't cross the ocean in a day in 1880? Only a short time later we can cross an ocean by jetliner easily in less the a day. We went from learning to fly in 1903 to landing on the moon in 1969 in just 66 years. Just imagine what others can do on other planets that are millions of years ahead of us. That is what people should consider.

True, but if the laws of physics absolutely prevent FTL travel, then a million, billion or trillion years more advanced makes no difference. There would have to be ways to travel FTL or a way around it to make interstellar travel practical.

[Villager1234]

Why is it that only people with low IQ s were abducted?

[Shipping up to Boston]

Probably better understood than NE’er accent. :popcorn:

What we have heeyah.....is a failya to commoonicate!

[Stu from NYC]

Why is it that only people with low IQ s were abducted?

They taste better?:bigbow:

[Stu from NYC]

True, but if the laws of physics absolutely prevent FTL travel, then a million, billion or trillion years more advanced makes no difference. There would have to be ways to travel FTL or a way around it to make interstellar travel practical.

Wormholes my friend

[golfing eagles]

They taste better?:bigbow:

Less filling:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jimbomaybe]

True, but if the laws of physics absolutely prevent FTL travel, then a million, billion or trillion years more advanced makes no difference. There would have to be ways to travel FTL or a way around it to make interstellar travel practical.
Support your local theoretical physicist,,in about a billion years your sun will have expanded to the point that the oceans will be boiling, got to get ahead of theses things,, will my SS be OK ?

[Shipping up to Boston]

Support your local theoretical physicist,,in about a billion years your sun will have expanded to the point that the oceans will be boiling, got to get ahead of theses things,, will my SS be OK ?

Deep thoughts....with your host ...AOC! :1rotfl:

[Bogie Shooter]

Alien abductees interviewed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kELDEdMbkyg

[Stu from NYC]

Deep thoughts....with your host ...AOC! :1rotfl:

Has she ever gad a deep thought? Wonder if she was a competent making drinks?

[fdpaq0580]

True, but if the laws of physics absolutely prevent FTL travel.

As far as you currently know! There are some who may have figured it out. Wait and see. 🤔🤫👽🤐

[fdpaq0580]

What we have heeyah.....is a failya to commoonicate!

From "My cousin Vinny"? I'm still trying figure out what "Yoots" are. 🤔

[Shipping up to Boston]

From "My cousin Vinny"? I'm still trying figure out what "Yoots" are. 🤔

Cool Hand Luke

[golfing eagles]

As far as you currently know! There are some who may have figured it out. Wait and see. 🤔🤫👽🤐

I hope so. But if it is impossible, it's still impossible

[fdpaq0580]

I hope so. But if it is impossible, it's still impossible

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.
Anything the mind of man can conceive, ultimately he can accomplish. Or, where there is a will, there is a way.

[Stu from NYC]

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.
Anything the mind of man can conceive, ultimately he can accomplish. Or, where there is a will, there is a way.

Unless it is really impossible

[Shipping up to Boston]

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.
Anything the mind of man can conceive, ultimately he can accomplish. Or, where there is a will, there is a way.

Jim Bakker endorses this statement!

[fdpaq0580]

Support your local theoretical physicist,,in about a billion years your sun will have expanded to the point that the oceans will be boiling, got to get ahead of theses things,, will my SS be OK ?

Um, don't you mean "Our" sun?
As to your SS, I'm guessing you won't need to worry about it then.

[fdpaq0580]

Jim Bakker endorses this statement!

You mean Jim Bakker the phoney preacher? I'm pretty sure the only thing he endorses is people sending him money.

[fdpaq0580]

Unless it is really impossible

But how would you ever really know if it was impossible? The solution might be just around the next corner.

[ElDiabloJoe]

It's like cold fusion. It's impossible sci-fi - right up to the minute it is accomplished. Similar to X-rays, or MRI, or laser surgery, or antibiotics, or wifi, or the internet or airplanes, or going to the moon, or anything else once believed impossible - until it happened.

[ThirdOfFive]

I hope so. But if it is impossible, it's still impossible
Indeed it is.

Until its not.

I remember seeing some old sci-fi movie (1920's--silent movie, anyway). There was a slogan posted with the credits that went "there is no "never". Only "not yet".

[Shipping up to Boston]

Indeed it is.

Until its not.

I remember seeing some old sci-fi movie (1920's--silent movie, anyway). There was a slogan posted with the credits that went "there is no "never". Only "not yet".

I think i saw that slogan....in the ER waiting room at Sloan Kettering

[ElDiabloJoe]

I think i saw that slogan....in the ER waiting room at Sloan Kettering

Hmmmmmmmm, any connection to the UFO-related Kettering Incident?

[fdpaq0580]

indeed it is.

Until its not.

I remember seeing some old sci-fi movie (1920's--silent movie, anyway). There was a slogan posted with the credits that went "there is no "never". Only "not yet".

yes!

[mraines]

Cannot see why any intelligent space travellers would want to have anything to do with us unless we become a threat after technological advances allow us to travel further out into space. Intelligent life would keep a distance and just watch with as few contacts as possible.
I don't know why anyone would presume that we are the only life form in this vast universe. Anyone who could travel here is far more intelligent than we are. There are reports of them being around our nuclear plants. We are not smart enough to keep from destroying our planet (e.g. climate change deniers), so I am sure they are afraid we will destroy their habitat. We are already leaving behind space junk. It is not enough that we are polluting this planet, we want to pollute space and other planets.

[Shipping up to Boston]

I don't know why anyone would presume that we are the only life form in this vast universe. Anyone who could travel here is far more intelligent than we are. There are reports of them being around our nuclear plants. We are not smart enough to keep from destroying our planet (e.g. climate change deniers), so I am sure they are afraid we will destroy their habitat. We are already leaving behind space junk. It is not enough that we are polluting this planet, we want to pollute space and other planets.

“There are reports of them being around our nuclear plants”

Some of the tightest paramilitary security patrols the inner/outer perimeter of nuclear power plants....it’s not CW! I call BS on this one

[fdpaq0580]

I don't know why anyone would presume that we are the only life form in this vast universe. Anyone who could travel here is far more intelligent than we are. There are reports of them being around our nuclear plants. We are not smart enough to keep from destroying our planet (e.g. climate change deniers), so I am sure they are afraid we will destroy their habitat. We are already leaving behind space junk. It is not enough that we are polluting this planet, we want to pollute space and other planets.

We are not alone in the universe, and never were. Humans are a work in progress. Still evolving. As a whole, we know enough to get in trouble, but not enough to get out of trouble. Some recognize cause and effect. Some can't, don't or won't and bury their heads in the sand of lies and denial. Just because I love my fellow man, it doesn't blind me to our faults.
Earth is a tiny raft floating in the sea of space. As our population grows our individual space is diminished, our resources are thinned and damage to the raft increases, bringing us ever closer to dismantling or sinking the only place, currently, that we can inhabit and survive.

[jimbomaybe]

I don't know why anyone would presume that we are the only life form in this vast universe. Anyone who could travel here is far more intelligent than we are. There are reports of them being around our nuclear plants. We are not smart enough to keep from destroying our planet (e.g. climate change deniers), so I am sure they are afraid we will destroy their habitat. We are already leaving behind space junk. It is not enough that we are polluting this planet, we want to pollute space and other planets.
Your post assumes that ETs have been here, and have some concerns about us, given the literally incomprehensible size of the universe why would they possibly care? If "they" have been here why so shy about advertising their presence ? as to governmental conspiracy theories, again why?

[fdpaq0580]

Your post assumes that ETs have been here, and have some concerns about us, given the literally incomprehensible size of the universe why would they possibly care? If "they" have been here why so shy about advertising their presence ? as to governmental conspiracy theories, again why?

They are embarrassed by their teeny weenies. 🤫🤭🤭

[Stu from NYC]

Imagine if an alien came today and asked to be taken to our leader?

[jimbomaybe]

They are embarrassed by their teeny weenies. 🤫🤭🤭
If that is the case , well ,so much for the advanced civilization argument

[Taltarzac725]

Imagine if an alien came today and asked to be taken to our leader?

I would probably point at my dog as he makes me follow him around and clean up his poop and carry his water bottle.

[fdpaq0580]

Imagine if an alien came today and asked to be taken to our leader?

My wife handles all inquiries.

[Lottoguy]

Perhaps the government thinks the disclosure of ET would harm our belief system just as Winston Churchill said in his private letter which is available online. Also the one thing scientists believe in is every living species needs water to survive. Looking at Earth from outer space would be like viewing an oasis in a desert to them.
Also after the year 1945 when we first used nuclear weapons maybe this was seen as a threat and we must be closely monitored. Kinda of like watch out "They found the matches!"

[jimbomaybe]

Perhaps the government thinks the disclosure of ET would harm our belief system just as Winston Churchill said in his private letter which is available online. Also the one thing scientists believe in is every living species needs water to survive. Looking at Earth from outer space would be like viewing an oasis in a desert to them.
Also after the year 1945 when we first used nuclear weapons maybe this was seen as a threat and we must be closely monitored. Kinda of like watch out "They found the matches!"
Given the the technology to be an interstellar civilization, would they need to travel here for basic materials ? That same technology would likewise make planet earth a non threat

[biker1]

The extreme numbers of galaxies (200 billion to 2 trillion) and the number of stars within a typical galaxy (100 billion) would suggest a high probability that life of some form exists elsewhere. The extreme distances of space would suggest a low probability that any extraterrestrial life has visited here. Our own galaxy is 100,000 light-years across. The nearest solar system is over 4 light-years away. Achieving any significant percentage of the speed of light will require some extremely advanced technology. Also, keep in mind that once you accelerate to speed, you must decelerate and that takes time. Wormholes are a mathematical bi-product and may or may not exist let alone be created and utilized. I suspect there is a low probability that an advanced civilization would find that there is a compelling reason to expend the resources to visit here if they had the capability. Regarding advertising our existence, significant electromagnetic energy has only been transmitted from earth for about 50 years. Therefore, the signals have only reached out in a sphere of diameter 100 light-years. This isn’t very far. Also, there is the issue of decreasing signal to noise.


Perhaps the government thinks the disclosure of ET would harm our belief system just as Winston Churchill said in his private letter which is available online. Also the one thing scientists believe in is every living species needs water to survive. Looking at Earth from outer space would be like viewing an oasis in a desert to them.
Also after the year 1945 when we first used nuclear weapons maybe this was seen as a threat and we must be closely monitored. Kinda of like watch out "They found the matches!"

[fdpaq0580]

The extreme numbers of galaxies (200 billion to 2 trillion) and the number of stars within a typical galaxy (100 billion) would suggest a high probability that life of some form exists elsewhere. The extreme distances of space would suggest a low probability that any extraterrestrial life has visited here. Our own galaxy is 100,000 light-years across. The nearest solar system is over 4 light-years away. Achieving any significant percentage of the speed of light will require some extremely advanced technology. Also, keep in mind that once you accelerate to speed, you must decelerate and that takes time. Wormholes are a mathematical bi-product and may or may not exist let alone be created and utilized. I suspect there is a low probability that an advanced civilization would find that there is a compelling reason to expend the resources to visit here if they had the capability. Regarding advertising our existence, electromagnetic energy has only been transmitted from earth for about 50 years. Therefore, the signals have only reached out in a sphere of diameter 100 light-years. This isn’t very far. Also, there is the issue of decreasing signal to noise.

There have been a number of scify stories about starships or fleets of starships, traveling at sub-light speed, carrying massive numbers of human migrants to populate a new world and leaving a dieing Earth behind. The stories are of multi-generational searches for an Earth 2.0. Migration of our species to a new world would likely be a one way trip, regardless of travel speed. Pioneers of a new age. 👩*🚀🧑*🚀👽🤖

[Stu from NYC]

Given the huge number of planets out there, have to think life has found a way.

At some point I do think that people whether us or extra terrestials will find a way to travel at high speed.

Do think there is a possibility we have been visited by aliens who have either helped us or just watched us from above

[fdpaq0580]

Given the huge number of planets out there, have to think life has found a way.

At some point I do think that people whether us or extra terrestials will find a way to travel at high speed.

Do think there is a possibility we have been visited by aliens who have either helped us or just watched us from above

Paragraph 1: Without a doubt!

Paragraph 2: Some theoretical physicists think it may be possible to exceed the speed of light. Even if we can't, that doesn't mean we are stuck here forever. With the damage already done, for the sake of our species I have hope for the future.

Paragraph 3: Your guess is as good as anyone's at this point.

[jimbomaybe]

There have been a number of scify stories about starships or fleets of starships, traveling at sub-light speed, carrying massive numbers of human migrants to populate a new world and leaving a dieing Earth behind. The stories are of multi-generational searches for an Earth 2.0. Migration of our species to a new world would likely be a one way trip, regardless of travel speed. Pioneers of a new age. 👩*🚀🧑*🚀👽🤖
Someone writing a "story" ?

[jimbomaybe]

Paragraph 1: Without a doubt!

Paragraph 2: Some theoretical physicists think it may be possible to exceed the speed of light. Even if we can't, that doesn't mean we are stuck here forever. With the damage already done, for the sake of our species I have hope for the future.

Paragraph 3: Your guess is as good as anyone's at this point.
Speculation on top of speculation , guess

[Shipping up to Boston]

There have been a number of scify stories about starships or fleets of starships, traveling at sub-light speed, carrying massive numbers of human migrants to populate a new world and leaving a dieing Earth behind. The stories are of multi-generational searches for an Earth 2.0. Migration of our species to a new world would likely be a one way trip, regardless of travel speed. Pioneers of a new age. 👩*🚀🧑*🚀👽🤖

Migrants you say...hmmmm

[Stu from NYC]

Speculation on top of speculation , guess

Why not

[jimbomaybe]

Why not
A person's , guess, will always inform their speculation, backwards logic

[CoachKandSportsguy]

A person's , guess, will always inform their speculation, backwards logic

There is no place stated / there is no real law that anyone can't speculate on speculation. There is no punishment for conversational speculation. Passes the time very well, when one has time to pass. . Who cares about sticking with logic in bbs conversation?

all human creativity starts with a speculation of doing the previously impossible, taking a risk of something different. . if that is the worst of the human behaviors, bring it on!

The risk is that one might take a "trip to Abilene."

ifkyk

[fdpaq0580]

Migrants you say...hmmmm

How do you think our ancestors ended up "out of Africa"?

[jimbomaybe]

There is no place stated / there is no real law that anyone can't speculate on speculation. There is no punishment for conversational speculation. Passes the time very well, when one has time to pass. . Who cares about sticking with logic in bbs conversation?

all human creativity starts with a speculation of doing the previously impossible, taking a risk of something different. . if that is the worst of the human behaviors, bring it on!

The risk is that one might take a "trip to Abilene."

ifkyk
No argument but every time you add a layer of speculation you multiply the odds

[fdpaq0580]

Speculation on top of speculation , guess

That, too, is speculation on top of speculation, guess.
But, what I would like to know is, are you jimbo or not

[jimbomaybe]

That, too, is speculation on top of speculation, guess.
But, what I would like to know is, are you jimbo or not
To be truthful I am really an extraterrestrial, just dropping in on occasion , can't tell you why, sometimes just for giggles we will let you guys see something you can't Id or have a logical explanation for . we place bets on how it will be spun out, the odds go up in a sequential bet on a bet

[2newyorkers]

Oh what fun my friend and I had in our "UFO tree" looking for UFOs. Never saw one but the friendship stands almost 70 years later.

[bmcgowan13]

Oh what fun my friend and I had in our "UFO tree" looking for UFOs. Never saw one but the friendship stands almost 70 years later.

Sign up for space station flyover alerts | Spot The Station | NASA (https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/signup.cfm)

They are still out there!

LOL. This will text you when the ISS is flying overhead.

Kudos to you for maintaining the friends from 70 years ago...:pepper2:

[fdpaq0580]

Oh what fun my friend and I had in our "UFO tree" looking for UFOs. Never saw one but the friendship stands almost 70 years later.

You are both very fortunate, even without the UFOs.

[fdpaq0580]

Sign up for space station flyover alerts | Spot The Station | NASA (https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/signup.cfm)

They are still out there!

LOL. This will text you when the ISS is flying overhead.

Kudos to you for maintaining the friends from 70 years ago...:pepper2:

Psst. The subject is "UFOS", not IFOS or KFOS.

[AMB444]

Never mind, Big Foot.....

Yes. Fascinating stuff.

BFRO: BFRO Report 38923: Possible nighttime activity in the retirement community The Villages (https://bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=38923)

[Topspinmo]

I was abducted by an Alien from my local pub when I was 18, and home on leave from the military.

Turns out these aliens are female, about 38 years old, and from Finland.
It let me go in the morning, and unfortunately, I never met one again! :shrug:

You was passed out and dreaming..:1rotfl:

[Topspinmo]

Sign up for space station flyover alerts | Spot The Station | NASA (https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/signup.cfm)

They are still out there!

LOL. This will text you when the ISS is flying overhead.

Kudos to you for maintaining the friends from 70 years ago...:pepper2:

Yes, maybe we can see the Boeing capsule that’s stuck there?

Still stuck there, I was going to invest in Boeing space program after it tanks, but figure that would be bad investment..:sigh:

[fdpaq0580]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;2346113]
Sasquatch exists! I have proof.

I dated her in high school.

DADDY?

[fdpaq0580]

You know your going to hell for that!!!!!!!

No. Chicago!

[fdpaq0580]

I was abducted by an Alien from my local pub when I was 18, and home on leave from the military.

Turns out these aliens are female, about 38 years old, and from Finland.
It let me go in the morning, and unfortunately, I never met one again! :shrug:

I dated one of those for awhile. She took me to the moon several times.

[Topspinmo]

Why is it that only people with low IQ s were abducted?

Cause all earthlings have low IQ…:loco:

[Stu from NYC]

Yes, maybe we can see the Boeing capsule that’s stuck there?

Still stuck there, I was going to invest in Boeing space program after it tanks, but figure that would be bad investment..:sigh:

Sad how Boeing has gone downhill as a company. Hope and pray they can come down safely