Champ course cup dept and rough

[HIgolfers]

I am presently surprised at the conditions of the Champ courses that I have played. For the most part they are in real good shape.
I do have a problem with some of the cup depts. Not all but a few. Over the past few weeks either myself or someone in my foresome had a putt hit the back of the hole and pop out. The reason for this is the cups were not set at the proper dept. All 4 times the top of the cup was 1/2 inch below the putting surface. That is too high. The top of the cup should be 1 to 1 1/2 inches below the putting surface. This way the ball hits the back of the cup which is dirt and falls in. I know this because I use to set cups. I have also seen were cups are too low but that dosen't affect the results. Most likely the people doing this jobs arn't golfers. Someone needs to take the time to talk to these employees and correct this problem.
One other point. We are in the grass growing season. Attention should be paid to the height of the rough. We are seniors and this isn't the US Open. If you can't see the top of your ball in the rough then is't too high. We had this problem last year.

[BrianL99]

One other point. We are in the grass growing season. Attention should be paid to the height of the rough. We are seniors and this isn't the US Open. If you can't see the top of your ball in the rough then is't too high. We had this problem last year.

Sounds like the problem is with the golfer, not the rough.

Why not just eliminate all the "rough", so you can hit the ball wherever you want and not have to worry?

While they're at it, maybe they should eliminate bunkers and ponds, too?



I do have a problem with some of the cup depts. Not all but a few. Over the past few weeks either myself or someone in my foresome had a putt hit the back of the hole and pop out. The reason for this is the cups were not set at the proper dept. All 4 times the top of the cup was 1/2 inch below the putting surface. That is too high. The top of the cup should be 1 to 1 1/2 inches below the putting surface.

I could see that happening on a very rare occasion, but the equipment used to core flagstick holes, is nearly foolproof as it relates to "depth". USGA Rules specify diameter and depth of the cup. The equipment doesn't allow someone to put the cup too low and placing a cup higher than allowed by the USGA is equally unlikely.

Perhaps you and your playmates problem is more related to your putting than the golf course conditions?

[dewilson58]

Measure all the cups and give the appropriate people (not ToTV) your report.......to the Cup Department.

:mornincoffee:

[golfing eagles]

Measure all the cups and give the appropriate people (not ToTV) your report.......to the Cup Department.

:mornincoffee:

That was "helpful" :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Marathon Man]

... Someone needs to take the time to talk to these employees and correct this problem.
...

Someone needs to take the time to talk to the pro and give him his comments rather than placing them on an online forum and hope someone else does it.

[Rainger99]

Why not just eliminate all the "rough", so you can hit the ball wherever you want and not have to worry?

While they're at it, maybe they should eliminate bunkers and ponds, too?

Brilliant ideas!!

[golfing eagles]

Brilliant ideas!!

Absolutely! Then we can change the name of the sport from "golf" to "driving range"

[Two Bills]

Sounds like the problem is with the golfer, not the rough.

Why not just eliminate all the "rough", so you can hit the ball wherever you want and not have to worry?

While they're at it, maybe they should eliminate bunkers and ponds, too?

Most driving ranges in TV, golfers practice hitting into the water.
So it's only fair you keep the ponds. :shrug:

[BrianL99]

Most driving ranges in TV, golfers practice hitting into the water.
So it's only fair you keep the ponds. :shrug:

Many of the golfers I've seen in TV, have already perfected their "hit it into the water" stroke.

[John Mayes]

“I could see that happening on a very rare occasion, but the equipment used to core flagstick holes, is nearly foolproof as it relates to "depth". USGA Rules specify diameter and depth of the cup. The equipment doesn't allow someone to put the cup too low and placing a cup higher than allowed by the USGA is equally unlikely. “


I agree. My opinion, cups sitting high are more likely caused by tight flag sticks that raise the cup when removing them or people using their putters to retrieve the ball from the cup.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Most driving ranges in TV, golfers practice hitting into the water.
So it's only fair you keep the ponds. :shrug:

Most? Just 50%.

[Two Bills]

Most? Just 50%.

OK.

Half the courses in TV.....................................:shrug:

[tophcfa]

One other point. We are in the grass growing season. Attention should be paid to the height of the rough. We are seniors and this isn't the US Open. If you can't see the top of your ball in the rough then is't too high. We had this problem last year.

I agree, the rough height is important. The rough should be deep enough so hitting into it makes for a more difficult shot, but when it’s deeper than the height of the ball it can significantly slow the pace of play with people searching for their ball. Bermuda rough is nasty, and the ball almost always sinks in right down to the ground. When the rough is deeper than the ball, sometimes the only way to find the ball is by stepping on it.

[Mrmean58]

And you will continue to have that problem when the grass is healthy. The courses here are so vanilla you have to add some challenges for the average golfer. A wise man once said if you don't want to hit out of the rough or a bunker, don't hit in there.

[ThirdOfFive]

Many of the golfers I've seen in TV, have already perfected their "hit it into the water" stroke.
True.

Do they ever fish the balls out of those hazards? The seventh hole on El Diablo has a water hazard that must be carpeted on the bottom with errant shots. I don't know if they do it here but back in Minnesota there are people who pay courses for the right to fish out golf balls. Considering the number of courses around here that could be a pretty lucrative endeavor.

[MX rider]

I agree, the rough height is important. The rough should be deep enough so hitting into it makes for a more difficult shot, but when it’s deeper than the height of the ball it can significantly slow the pace of play with people searching for their ball. Bermuda rough is nasty, and the ball almost always sinks in right down to the ground. When the rough is deeper than the ball, sometimes the only way to find the ball is by stepping on it.

We played Mallory Hill yesterday and it was in great shape. The rough was pretty deep for sure, which it should be, especially at a CC course. But damn it's hard to find your ball when you hit there, which I did too many times. lol

[SHIBUMI]

LOL, just got finished reading a chapter in the book, Golf Murder Mysteries-Breaking the Rules, from Amazon, and it addresses this problem.

At a lot of public courses, these can be considered that, the lowest paid employee is given the task of changing the tee markers and cutting the cups. Thats Angus, hungover and with coke bottle glasses. Crooked tee markers and bad cups a specialty. Just poor employee training.

The roughs here are rarely high, just after rainstorms and before the next cut. Non issue, as the USGA says, play the course as you find it. The roughs won't be higher than normal for very long.
Operator error is you cant get out.

If you pay attention to the cup before putting, wise move, and it is high, jam the flagstick against the center hole to lower. If it doesn't lower, pull the cup out, putt then replace. You won't have that problem......... Is there a rule that a hole must have a cup liner????????? can't find one

please chime in...........:boxing2:

I am presently surprised at the conditions of the Champ courses that I have played. For the most part they are in real good shape.
I do have a problem with some of the cup depts. Not all but a few. Over the past few weeks either myself or someone in my foresome had a putt hit the back of the hole and pop out. The reason for this is the cups were not set at the proper dept. All 4 times the top of the cup was 1/2 inch below the putting surface. That is too high. The top of the cup should be 1 to 1 1/2 inches below the putting surface. This way the ball hits the back of the cup which is dirt and falls in. I know this because I use to set cups. I have also seen were cups are too low but that dosen't affect the results. Most likely the people doing this jobs arn't golfers. Someone needs to take the time to talk to these employees and correct this problem.
One other point. We are in the grass growing season. Attention should be paid to the height of the rough. We are seniors and this isn't the US Open. If you can't see the top of your ball in the rough then is't too high. We had this problem last year.

[HORNET]

Go outside The Villages and see what you get!

[HORNET]

Speed and accuracy has a lot to the ball going in!

[villager7591]

Happens on the executive courses too. I think they need to increase the training for 'cup cutters' from 3 minutes to 5 minutes.

[Rodneysblue]

I am presently surprised at the conditions of the Champ courses that I have played. For the most part they are in real good shape.
I do have a problem with some of the cup depts. Not all but a few. Over the past few weeks either myself or someone in my foresome had a putt hit the back of the hole and pop out. The reason for this is the cups were not set at the proper dept. All 4 times the top of the cup was 1/2 inch below the putting surface. That is too high. The top of the cup should be 1 to 1 1/2 inches below the putting surface. This way the ball hits the back of the cup which is dirt and falls in. I know this because I use to set cups. I have also seen were cups are too low but that dosen't affect the results. Most likely the people doing this jobs arn't golfers. Someone needs to take the time to talk to these employees and correct this problem.
One other point. We are in the grass growing season. Attention should be paid to the height of the rough. We are seniors and this isn't the US Open. If you can't see the top of your ball in the rough then is't too high. We had this problem last year.

So did you talk to someone that would be able to rectify those issues?

[Crookedbreeze]

This time of the year with the amount of rain, they can’t set the mowers much lower to cut it too much shorter.