Tonga Volcano Causes Global Warming Spike

[sounding]

Anytime some complains about the unprecedented temperatures, just remind them about the unprecedented Tonga volcano. Javier Vinos just published this excellent analysis of what we know so far ... Hunga Tonga volcano: impact on record warming | Climate Etc. (https://judithcurry.com/2024/07/05/hunga-tonga-volcano-impact-on-record-warming/)

[Taltarzac725]

Anytime some complains about the unprecedented temperatures, just remind them about the unprecedented Tonga volcano. Javier Vinos just published this excellent analysis of what we know so far ... Hunga Tonga volcano: impact on record warming | Climate Etc. (https://judithcurry.com/2024/07/05/hunga-tonga-volcano-impact-on-record-warming/)

Putting volcano before Global Warming.

[Keefelane66]

And you advised we are in a 7 year cooling cycle, guess that was wrong too.

[sounding]

And you advised we are in a 7 year cooling cycle, guess that was wrong too.

Prior to the current warming, we were cooling. Also, volcanic induced climate change is not instant ... for example, the Mount Tambora volcano in 1815 created cooling 15 months later. Finally, cooling will come -- after Tonga's stratospheric water vapor dries out.

[Bay Kid]

Anytime some complains about the unprecedented temperatures, just remind them about the unprecedented Tonga volcano. Javier Vinos just published this excellent analysis of what we know so far ... Hunga Tonga volcano: impact on record warming | Climate Etc. (https://judithcurry.com/2024/07/05/hunga-tonga-volcano-impact-on-record-warming/)

So true, but they don't want us to believe this. No money involved.

[fdpaq0580]

So true, but they don't want us to believe this. No money involved.

HUGE money involved. Industries that make trillions polluting, destroying habitats on land, sea and air, pumping fossil fuels, dumping waste into rivers, and so much more. They don’t want to have to clean up their act, so they spend tons of money to buy influence and spread anti-environmental propaganda. Your choice? Short term profits or long term sustainability and survival.

[sounding]

HUGE money involved. Industries that make trillions polluting, destroying habitats on land, sea and air, pumping fossil fuels, dumping waste into rivers, and so much more. They don’t want to have to clean up their act, so they spend tons of money to buy influence and spread anti-environmental propaganda. Your choice? Short term profits or long term sustainability and survival.

This is the "Weather Talk" forum, not pollution talk. Weather and CO2 (which causes irrelevant warming) are not pollutants. Some like to call Volcanoes polluters -- but that's just mother nature doing her thing -- heating up the planet. Enjoy global warming while it lasts -- because the alternative is quite chilling.

[TomPerry]

Does the US Government need to mandate no volcanic eruptions?

[Cliff Fr]

Another factor in warm temperatures are the sunspot cycles. The sunspot activity just recently hit its peak and is very gradually winding down. Sunspots cause the Sun to be hotter which in turn causes the earth to be hotter. The Sun is the primary provider of hear. During the recent solar eclipse the flares seen at the edges of the sun were sunspot activity.

[ThirdOfFive]

Anytime some complains about the unprecedented temperatures, just remind them about the unprecedented Tonga volcano. Javier Vinos just published this excellent analysis of what we know so far ... Hunga Tonga volcano: impact on record warming | Climate Etc. (https://judithcurry.com/2024/07/05/hunga-tonga-volcano-impact-on-record-warming/)
Pre-Hunga Gonga, The Mt. Tambora volcano in Indonesia back in 1815 is arguably known as the deadliest, killing an estimated 100,000 immediately, but: “What happened after Tambora is that there was three years of climate change,” he says. “The world got colder, and the weather systems changed completely for three years. And so you had widespread crop failure and starvation all from Asia to the United States to Europe.” (History dot com). And THAT says nothing about the Cholera pandemic, crop failures and mass starvation that plagued the earth for years after.

That was just one. Top Ten worst in the Common Era after Tambora include Krakatoa in 1883, Laki (Iceland) in 1783, Mt. Pelee (Caribbean) in 1902, Ilopango (El Salvador) in 450 AD Mt. Unzen (Japan) 1792, Nevado del Ruiz (Columbia) 1985, Mt. Pinatubo, (Philippines) 1991, Mt. Vesuvius, (Italy) 79 AD; and Santa Maria (Guatemala) 1902. (List from Australian Geographic website). And that list doesn't even include our own pet volcano Mt. St. Helens! That is just ten that we know about. There were probably multiples more than that throughout history.

Mankind's efforts to control the environment on our rock seem pretty puny when Mama Nature decides to blow her top.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

and to keep this all in perspective, the thermometer with a standardized scale is about 150 years old, with easy reproducible measurements.

Sounding, what's the impact of technological advances on weather measurement, since technology is only about 50 years old, assuming mass technology started in the 70's? I was still doing slide rule calcs/ math tables / celestial navigation table lookups in the 70s.

To say that the hurricane data of 2020's has never been seen since records started in the early 1900s, when hurricane data was collected by barometers on ocean going ships, with rules to sail away from the center based upon barometric readings. survival bias scientific analysis? when did hurricane hunting weather measurements start? When did geostationary satellite weather imaging first start?

Modern weather stats are only comparable for about 70 years old at best. .

[miharris]

Anytime some complains about the unprecedented temperatures, just remind them about the unprecedented Tonga volcano. Javier Vinos just published this excellent analysis of what we know so far ... Hunga Tonga volcano: impact on record warming | Climate Etc. (https://judithcurry.com/2024/07/05/hunga-tonga-volcano-impact-on-record-warming/)

Great article, nice to see some actual research being done.

[sounding]

and to keep this all in perspective, the thermometer with a standardized scale is about 150 years old, with easy reproducible measurements.

Sounding, what's the impact of technological advances on weather measurement, since technology is only about 50 years old, assuming mass technology started in the 70's? I was still doing slide rule calcs/ math tables / celestial navigation table lookups in the 70s.

To say that the hurricane data of 2020's has never been seen since records started in the early 1900s, when hurricane data was collected by barometers on ocean going ships, with rules to sail away from the center based upon barometric readings. survival bias scientific analysis? when did hurricane hunting weather measurements start? When did geostationary satellite weather imaging first start?

Modern weather stats are only comparable for about 70 years old at best. .

Excellent questions and points of order, Coach ... which will all be discussed in detail at the next Weather Club meeting ... July 18 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

[Topspinmo]

HUGE money involved. Industries that make trillions polluting, destroying habitats on land, sea and air, pumping fossil fuels, dumping waste into rivers, and so much more. They don’t want to have to clean up their act, so they spend tons of money to buy influence and spread anti-environmental propaganda. Your choice? Short term profits or long term sustainability and survival.

And we all enjoy the fruits they produce in houses we live in, the vehicles we drive, and food we eat. Don’t want be part of it? There still remote undeveloped spots can go and build mud or rock hut.

[rsmurano]

Most of our weather can be easily explained unless you are part of the cult that believes the sky is falling and everything will end in 10 years (it’s always 10 years???). El Niño, La Niña, high pressure, low pressure, cold front, arctic front.

Wait until the Yellowstone Super volcano erupts. We are all gone

[mrf6969]

It's too damn hot. I could go for a good ice age for a while. Funny how humans seem to think they know better than Mother Nature.

[golfing eagles]

It's too damn hot. I could go for a good ice age for a while. Funny how humans seem to think they know better than Mother Nature.

The good news---the next ice age is coming
The bad news----it won't be here for another 35-70,000 years

[golfing eagles]

Most of our weather can be easily explained unless you are part of the cult that believes the sky is falling and everything will end in 10 years (it’s always 10 years???). El Niño, La Niña, high pressure, low pressure, cold front, arctic front.

Wait until the Yellowstone Super volcano erupts. We are all gone

Quite true. Unfortunately, the cabal of government, universities and the mainstream media have managed to brainwash the gullible into thinking SUVs are going to destroy the world in the near future.

[psoccermom]

Could this phenomenon be why the humidity is so low? At 3:15 pm today it was 97 degrees outside. According to The Weather Channel app the humidity was 49 percent. I went outside to water the plants (forgot to last night) and never broke into a sweat.

[danglanzsr]

To say that the hurricane data of 2020's has never been seen since records started in the early 1900s, when hurricane data was collected by barometers on ocean going ships, with rules to sail away from the center based upon barometric readings. survival bias scientific analysis? when did hurricane hunting weather measurements start? When did geostationary satellite weather imaging first start?

Modern weather stats are only comparable for about 70 years old at best. .

I suspect some Hurricane data has been kept since the time of the Phoenicians, who invented maritime insurance. Insurance claims for hurricane damage are certainly available in insurance company’s records, though obviously not in the detail of modern day weather related science.

[sounding]

I suspect some Hurricane data has been kept since the time of the Phoenicians, who invented maritime insurance. Insurance claims for hurricane damage are certainly available in insurance company’s records, though obviously not in the detail of modern day weather related science.

Correct. There are spotty records of those stronger storms that made landfall, but they can not compare to today's full-earth satellite coverage. However, researchers have done great work recovering some records going back 1,000 years ... Just a moment... (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/242099184_A_1000Year_History_of_Typhoon_Landfalls_ in_Guangdong_Southern_China_Reconstructed_from_Chi nese_Historical_Documentary_Records)