Junk mail

[phojo]

All that money the developer gave to his elves running for Sumter County Commissioner showed up in my mailbox today.

[Gpsma]

Dont check your mail them

[Shipping up to Boston]

All that money the developer gave to his elves running for Sumter County Commissioner showed up in my mailbox today.

By mail....or drone? :1rotfl:

[Stu from NYC]

Any guess what the developer expects in return?

[Shipping up to Boston]

Any guess what the developer expects in return?

Just peace, prosperity.....and the occasional TIF!

*Just kidding fellowship!

[Papa_lecki]

All that money the developer gave to his elves running for Sumter County Commissioner showed up in my mailbox today.

That EVIL developer is at it again.

What to do??? Maybe live someplace else?

[Shipping up to Boston]

That EVIL developer is at it again.

What to do??? Maybe live someplace else?

Just another example....that people have a right to opinions that differ from others. In doing so, if the archives are any indication, there should’ve been a mass exodus over the past decade (present company included). I know ‘housekeeping’ will probably remove this...as per usual...but I’d rather live next to a free thinker than a yes man!

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

Even if what you’re alluding to is true, who cares? Judging from the aestethics around here, I’d say the people in charge are doing a pretty good job.

[Stu from NYC]

That EVIL developer is at it again.

What to do??? Maybe live someplace else?

Would you not prefer elected representatives who are beholden to the people who elected them and not special interests?

The developer has built a great place for us to live but do think he has too much political power>

[Papa_lecki]

Would you not prefer elected representatives who are beholden to the people who elected them and not special interests?

The developer has built a great place for us to live but do think he has too much political power>

Maybe he built a great place for us to live because of his political power. Makes sense, let’s make it harder for developer to be successful.

It’s called freedom of speech.
The developer wants elected officials who believe in low taxes and free market. That is who they give political donations to.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Would you not prefer elected representatives who are beholden to the people who elected them and not special interests?

The developer has built a great place for us to live but do think he has too much political power>

I agree with you to a point Stu. What’s lost on many...is that the issue isn’t the developer, his team and vendors that contribute to their favorite candidate(s)...that’s legal, ..it’s the recipient that takes those contributions and wants us to believe he/she will be independent in policy/direction in spite of that. Comical. The only way to instill confidence in independent leadership (Sumter CC specifically)....is for ALL candidates to refuse said contributions. IMO

[Stu from NYC]

I agree with you to a point Stu. What’s lost on many...is that the issue isn’t the developer, his team and vendors that contribute to their favorite candidate(s)...that’s legal, ..it’s the recipient that takes those contributions and wants us to believe he/she will be independent in policy/direction in spite of that. Comical. The only way to instill confidence in independent leadership (Sumter CC specifically)....is for ALL candidates to refuse said contributions. IMO

That would work for me. Would like to here Don Wiley state why he accepted all of the donations from the developer and his suppliers and convince us he will be working in our best interests

[Stu from NYC]

Maybe he built a great place for us to live because of his political power. Makes sense, let’s make it harder for developer to be successful.

It’s called freedom of speech.
The developer wants elected officials who believe in low taxes and free market. That is who they give political donations to.

Sorry do not buy what you are selling

[Shipping up to Boston]

That would work for me. Would like to here Don Wiley state why he accepted all of the donations from the developer and his suppliers and convince us he will be working in our best interests

I think this is a good metaphor for why that will never happen.....’when the phone doesn’t ring....you’ll know it’s DW’!

[Ignatz]

That would work for me. Would like to here Don Wiley state why he accepted all of the donations from the developer and his suppliers and convince us he will be working in our best interests

Maybe you should attend the upcoming Q&A session and ask him rather than stirring the pot here where nobody can give you the answer?

[jimdecastro]

That would work for me. Would like to here Don Wiley state why he accepted all of the donations from the developer and his suppliers and convince us he will be working in our best interests

You are one of my favorite posters on TOTV, but I strongly disagree with you here. What do you expect him to do? NOT accept LEGAL campaign contributions? Doesn't the Developer have freedom of speech? Didn't his competitor have legal problems? Is a Democrat running against them? If you watch his videos, he is more critical of the Developer than many of the YouTube presenters. He has been a CDD Supervisor and on the PWAC for approximately a decade working to improve things for the residents. Has his competitor?

[Sandy and Ed]

Even if what you’re alluding to is true, who cares? Judging from the aestethics around here, I’d say the people in charge are doing a pretty good job.
Yes I agree but sadly some visitors to our community (certainly, or at least hopefully, not full or part time residents) have begun littering our roads and common areas. I see various fast food containers left all over the place. Could it be left by the influx of day laborers hired by the many contractors (with their wide oversized trailers attached to pickups navigating our roads and streets)?

[crash]

Maybe he built a great place for us to live because of his political power. Makes sense, let’s make it harder for developer to be successful.

It’s called freedom of speech.
The developer wants elected officials who believe in low taxes and free market. That is who they give political donations to.

Where were you when the developers cronies raised our taxes 25%. That 25% was so that the tax payers were paying for the roads the developer needed to expand. The current issue is raising our fire fee so that you the tax payer could pay for new fire stations and equipment so he could still expand. New development should pay for its self like in every other county in the country.

[crash]

You are one of my favorite posters on TOTV, but I strongly disagree with you here. What do you expect him to do? NOT accept LEGAL campaign contributions? Doesn't the Developer have freedom of speech? Didn't his competitor have legal problems? Is a Democrat running against them? If you watch his videos, he is more critical of the Developer than many of the YouTube presenters. He has been a CDD Supervisor and on the PWAC for approximately a decade working to improve things for the residents. Has his competitor?

No his competitor was falsely imprisoned for working for the residents and trying to get the developer to pay his own bills to expand. You must of missed his conviction was thrown out. What does it say about a man who went through what he went through to get back up and come out fighting for the residents of Sumter County.

$282,000 vs $13,000. Look at the donors of the $282,000 contractors and those working for the developer.

[coconutmama]

Would you not prefer elected representatives who are beholden to the people who elected them and not special interests?

The developer has built a great place for us to live but do think he has too much political power>

Agree. And people have the right to free speech as well. Whether one agrees with them or not.

[M2inOR]

Don Wiley is definitely NOT in the pocket of the developer.

Don is a competent person who knows how a business is run, and what the developer can and cannot do.

As for businesses paying their fair share, just remember one thing about operating a business. They are the middleman when it comes to taxes. Their prices are set to cover their operating costs - material, labor, and other overhead. If they are profitable, some of that is paid for taxes. If not profitable, certain taxes still need to be paid.

Those who are complaining the most simply do not understand how a business is run. If they did, they'd likely not be complaining.

Don did speak last night at Aviary. It was a public event that was announced for anyone to attend. Seems none of the keyboard warriors attended.

He explained why he was running. It was a pleasant evening with other candidates, and why they were running. Lots of q&a. It was recorded, and Don said he would make the video available.

It was a great session.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Maybe you should attend the upcoming Q&A session and ask him rather than stirring the pot here where nobody can give you the answer?

Maybe he can’t attend. Interesting when the individual needs to unload a litter of animals....he takes to ToTV. When he drops his drone videos (yes, very informative) a revenue stream for him....he takes to ToTV. Yet when other outlets as well as his constituents ask a simple question.....crickets....on ToTV. I’ve said this a half a dozen times, I don’t know DW personally, most don’t, but he appears to be a good and decent man. Will it be the end of the world if he is returned to the SCC seat? Absolutely not. But politics has a way of corrupting and compromising even the best of us. Independent leadership is the exception today...not the rule. OM may not be the perfect candidate/commissioner, none of them are....but you can never question his independence in this instance.

[Normal]

An easy litmus for me:

Does the candidate support STRs?
How does the candidate intend to curb taxes?

[ThirdOfFive]

Even if what you’re alluding to is true, who cares? Judging from the aestethics around here, I’d say the people in charge are doing a pretty good job.
Ain't THAT the truth!

The Developer has built what is inarguably the largest and best known--and probably the most reasonably priced--retirement community on the planet. On that track record alone I'd far rather have him (her? them?) in charge than a lot of nitpickers and ax-grinders who seem to pop up with monotonous regularity.

[ThirdOfFive]

Yes I agree but sadly some visitors to our community (certainly, or at least hopefully, not full or part time residents) have begun littering our roads and common areas. I see various fast food containers left all over the place. Could it be left by the influx of day laborers hired by the many contractors (with their wide oversized trailers attached to pickups navigating our roads and streets)?

Maybe to a point along public streets--though Villagers most likely contribute a lot of that as well. But I do a lot of walking on various MMPs and the kinds of litter I find next to (and sometimes on) these MMPs are most likely NOT left by contractors and day laborers. Lots of those one-serving liquor bottles (the kind that airlines had about 40-50 years ago) along with a fair number of those "Fireball" whiskey bottles (what do they hold? 4 ounces?). Empty beer cans. Cigar butts (one or two still smoldering). Lots of cigarette butts--once in a pile near one of the benches on the MMP that runs by El Diablo along El Camino Real where some yutz had obviously emptied whatever it was that was using as an ashtray at the time. Disposable vaping mechanisms. A pair of men's undershorts. Broken sunglasses.

I had once considered taking pictures and posting them on here to see if that would have any effect at lessening the litter. But I doubt it.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Ain't THAT the truth!

The Developer has built what is inarguably the largest and best known--and probably the most reasonably priced--retirement community on the planet. On that track record alone I'd far rather have him (her? them?) in charge than a lot of nitpickers and ax-grinders who seem to pop up with monotonous regularity.

You do know the post/poster you’re responding to is talking about ‘aesthetics’...like landscaping etc. County Commissioners have nothing to do with that. Again, your missing the point. I honestly believe most here do not even know the structure of government or how it works as it relates to TV. But rest assured, your hydrangeas will be safe under any candidate!

[Normal]

You do know the post/poster you’re responding to is talking about ‘aesthetics’...like landscaping etc. County Commissioners have nothing to do with that. Again, your missing the point. I honestly believe most here do not even know the structure of government or how it works as it relates to TV. But rest assured, your hydrangeas will be safe under any candidate!

Yes, it’s called conflation. It’s a transitional tactic used in debate. The writer uses the identification of one thing and switches its name with a vaguely similar item even though there is little relation. Illegal in the retail world and unethical in all.

Look for it quite a bit in November.

[Stu from NYC]

Maybe you should attend the upcoming Q&A session and ask him rather than stirring the pot here where nobody can give you the answer?

Very often Don will answer on here so apparently he does read TOTV.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Very often Don will answer on here so apparently he does read TOTV.

Correct....see post #22

[Shipping up to Boston]

Correct....see post #22

It’s a 24/7/365 open forum. Sunshine Law “Liked” this!

[blueash]

Maybe he built a great place for us to live because of his political power. Makes sense, let’s make it harder for developer to be successful.

It’s called freedom of speech.
The developer wants elected officials who believe in low taxes and free market. That is who they give political donations to.

Nice buzzwords but not reality. The Developer does not believe in low taxes for everyone, just for him. Every tax or fee he does not pay is paid by somebody else, like me. Every special rule carved out for him, see the limit set on impact fees that he bought via his paid for Florida legislation, creates an unfair tilted market, to his advantage.

That is the problem with an oligarchy. They make the rules, control the market, adjust the taxes and fees to their benefit.

[Goldwingnut]

Any guess what the developer expects in return?

The exact same thing everyone else and every other business in the county expects, to be treated fairly and honestly. Nothing else has be promised to the developer or anyone else.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Nice buzzwords but not reality. The Developer does not believe in low taxes for everyone, just for him. Every tax or fee he does not pay is paid by somebody else, like me. Every special rule carved out for him, see the limit set on impact fees that he bought via his paid for Florida legislation, creates an unfair tilted market, to his advantage.

That is the problem with an oligarchy. They make the rules, control the market, adjust the taxes and fees to their benefit.

I was half kidding BA....but you’re right. I posted about TIF agreements earlier in jest. Yet it is a valuable tool for developers to circumvent. What people don’t realize here.....is every quarterback needs a lineman to protect him. I know you get the metaphor!

[Shipping up to Boston]

The exact same thing everyone else and every other business in the county expects, to be treated fairly and honestly. Nothing else has be promised to the developer or anyone else.

Do you need Developer, TV management or vendor contributions to accomplish that goal sir? Will you return those contributions to level the playing field and stand on your own ,edits and principles....and show your independence from the aforementioned? It’s not a hard question to answer!

[Shipping up to Boston]

Do you need Developer, TV management or vendor contributions to accomplish that goal sir? Will you return those contributions to level the playing field and stand on your own ,edits and principles....and show your independence from the aforementioned? It’s not a hard question to answer!

*merits

[Stu from NYC]

The exact same thing everyone else and every other business in the county expects, to be treated fairly and honestly. Nothing else has be promised to the developer or anyone else.

Thank you Don. I do expect to vote for you but am uncomfortable as to the contributions you have received from the developer and his subs.

[Goldwingnut]

I agree with you to a point Stu. What’s lost on many...is that the issue isn’t the developer, his team and vendors that contribute to their favorite candidate(s)...that’s legal, ..it’s the recipient that takes those contributions and wants us to believe he/she will be independent in policy/direction in spite of that. Comical. The only way to instill confidence in independent leadership (Sumter CC specifically)....is for ALL candidates to refuse said contributions. IMO

I come from a world where men put their very lives in the hands and integrity of one another, that level of moral values has not varied for me. I spent 20 years on submarines defending this county and doing a job few are willing to do and even fewer are capable of doing with men whose values and integrity were second to none, and we staked our lives on these values and trusted each other.

If you believe that the price of a man's integrity is a $1000 donation then that speaks volumes of your own personal values and integrity, not mine.

[Shipping up to Boston]

I come from a world where men put their very lives in the hands and integrity of one another, that level of moral values has not varied for me. I spent 20 years on submarines defending this county and doing a job few are willing to do and even fewer are capable of doing with men whose values and integrity were second to none, and we staked our lives on these values and trusted each other.

If you believe that the price of a man's integrity is a $1000 donation then that speaks volumes of your own personal values and integrity, not mine.

Nobody here has ever questioned your service to our country Don. Your resume speaks for itself. Let’s not confuse the topic here. You’ve been in elected capacity before....you know the terrain. It’s more than 1K and you know it. It’s the family, TV management and the vendors that do business in TV. Most of which....don’t live here (which is a big bone of contention for others here). Stakeholders come in all shapes and sizes...yes, some are part year but no less a constituent. You don’t need that appearance of conflict.

[Byte1]

Would you not prefer elected representatives who are beholden to the people who elected them and not special interests?

The developer has built a great place for us to live but do think he has too much political power>

How does the developer's "p*** power" effect us? Personally, I think the developer has created a pretty nice place. If I didn't like it, I have the freedom to move elsewhere. As for those that feel it necessary to gripe about the "evil developer" I hope they feel better by letting it all out. The developer making tons of money, has absolutely NO effect on me. I can find a hundred good things to say about The Villages to every ONE negative issue, that some feel must be a major life changer. I do feel empathy for those that hate it here and have absolutely no ability/means to escape this dreaded place. Be careful as a big black car may come visiting the home of those that complain about the great power that the boogieman developer surely has. :22yikes:

[Bogie Shooter]

I come from a world where men put their very lives in the hands and integrity of one another, that level of moral values has not varied for me. I spent 20 years on submarines defending this county and doing a job few are willing to do and even fewer are capable of doing with men whose values and integrity were second to none, and we staked our lives on these values and trusted each other.

If you believe that the price of a man's integrity is a $1000 donation then that speaks volumes of your own personal values and integrity, not mine.
👍,,

[Goldwingnut]

That would work for me. Would like to here Don Wiley state why he accepted all of the donations from the developer and his suppliers and convince us he will be working in our best interests

The developer and their subcontractors are as much a part of Sumter County as you, I, and every other individual is a part of Sumter County. Each and every one of us play a part in making Sumter County successful and prosperous. The business of Sumter County serve the residents and the residents support these businesses by giving them their business.

Take the example of a restaurant and its customers, if the county raises the taxes on the restaurant they have not choice but to raise their prices, the higher prices drive customers away. This reduces 1) sales tax revenues that help fund the county, 2) the need for employees who then have less to spend at other businesses, 3) the property values of the restaurant and its property tax contribution to the county budget, and these are just the tip of the iceberg. The reduced revenues have to be compensated for by raising taxes on everyone, leaving them less money to spend with business, leading to more business decline. This spirals out of control very quickly.
If the county raises the taxes on the residents the same spiral of decline is the same with just a slightly different starting point.
Ultimately rising taxes will drive residents away and drive businesses away, and result in even higher taxes for those that remain. Once this downwards trend starts, it is very difficult to reverse.
The only answer is to treat every part of the county - residents, businesses, farms, industry, etc. - fairly and not favor any one over the other and any favor or disfavor of any part starts the negative spiral. Working for the best interests of ALL of Sumter County is the only direction possible for the success of everyone.
What was happening 3 years ago when new members of the BOCC went on a vendetta against not just the developer but all the businesses of Sumter County started the downwards spiral that through their own stupidity and disregard for the laws of the State of Florida was arrested before significant damage could be done to our county's economy and its residents.

I don't work for or favor any entity in Sumter County, I work for all of Sumter County because we are all a part of the county.

[M2inOR]

Well said, Don.

It would be great if more people here would understand how a successful business is run.

Thank you for your efforts here in The Villages, and in Sumter County.

[Shipping up to Boston]

The developer and their subcontractors are as much a part of Sumter County as you, I, and every other individual is a part of Sumter County. Each and every one of us play a part in making Sumter County successful and prosperous. The business of Sumter County serve the residents and the residents support these businesses by giving them their business.

Take the example of a restaurant and its customers, if the county raises the taxes on the restaurant they have not choice but to raise their prices, the higher prices drive customers away. This reduces 1) sales tax revenues that help fund the county, 2) the need for employees who then have less to spend at other businesses, 3) the property values of the restaurant and its property tax contribution to the county budget, and these are just the tip of the iceberg. The reduced revenues have to be compensated for by raising taxes on everyone, leaving them less money to spend with business, leading to more business decline. This spirals out of control very quickly.
If the county raises the taxes on the residents the same spiral of decline is the same with just a slightly different starting point.
Ultimately rising taxes will drive residents away and drive businesses away, and result in even higher taxes for those that remain. Once this downwards trend starts, it is very difficult to reverse.
The only answer is to treat every part of the county - residents, businesses, farms, industry, etc. - fairly and not favor any one over the other and any favor or disfavor of any part starts the negative spiral. Working for the best interests of ALL of Sumter County is the only direction possible for the success of everyone.
What was happening 3 years ago when new members of the BOCC went on a vendetta against not just the developer but all the businesses of Sumter County started the downwards spiral that through their own stupidity and disregard for the laws of the State of Florida was arrested before significant damage could be done to our county's economy and its residents.

I don't work for or favor any entity in Sumter County, I work for all of Sumter County because we are all a part of the county.

That is standard, boilerplate political speak. Everything you just posted....with the exception of the sham prosecution of your fellow candidate....was true. The difference, once again is one is heavily funded by a single entity....the other is not. I said this earlier, yes, it’s all legal.....but you know that these types of contributions are at the core of what is wrong with the system. Even the appearance of it. You have a good resume and a track record in this seat....you don’t need that to get your message out and maintain that independence. Case in point....how much did these exchanges cost you? Exactly The most important and relevant part of your post was you drawing distinctions between you and the other candidates....that’s what people want to see. As long as you take thousands from individuals that have been mentioned many times before....win or lose....the cloud of suspicion remains

[Kenswing]

I’ve known Don casually since we moved here over three years ago. I believe him to be a very principled person. Although we rib each other about which branch of the military we chose to serve in he seems to make the right decisions otherwise.
My thinking for why he was the beneficiary of the contributions he’s received is because the Developer knows there’s absolutely no chance of being treated fairly by Don’s opponent, given their history. I don’t believe that Don is a darling of the Developer either. They have butted heads plenty in the past. I think it’s a matter of the Developer feels they have a better chance of being represented fairly if Don is in office.
Whether you’re going to vote for him or not. You at least have to respect the fact that he’s on here willing to subject himself to what pretty much amounts to a no win situation. Where are all the other candidates?.

[Bill14564]

The phrase that popped into my mind when reading some of these posts was, "all are equal but some are more equal than others."



On the issue of taxes, a few recent items stick in my mind:
- An agreement was made many years ago that resulted in the County raising the tax rate by nearly 30% to pay for road improvements made necessary by additional development
- When an increase to the road impact fee seemed about to pass, a state law was rushed through to retroactively cancel the increase and we know what happened to two BoCC members who were in favor of the increase
- When a new fee structure was proposed for fire protection that would have increased fees for businesses and decreased taxes for residents, the BoCC listened to those businesses and rejected the plan that they had initially supported.
- When separate MSBUs were proposed for TVPSD and SCFEMS, studies found that outside the Villages the burden should be shouldered by the businesses while inside the Villages the burden should be shouldered by the residents.
- With the cost of fire protection removed from the general fund, the BoCC is proposing to keep the tax rate at the rollback rate, add the MSTU rate, and promote this as a tax reduction when it is effectively a 13% tax increase for residents of the Villages and more for those outside the Villages

all taxpayers are equal, but some are more equal than others
taxes (and fees) should be applied fairly, but more fairly for some than for others

[Shipping up to Boston]

I’ve known Don casually since we moved here over three years ago. I believe him to be a very principled person. Although we rib each other about which branch of the military we chose to serve in he seems to make the right decisions otherwise.
My thinking for why he was the beneficiary of the contributions he’s received is because the Developer knows there’s absolutely no chance of being treated fairly by Don’s opponent, given their history. I don’t believe that Don is a darling of the Developer either. They have butted heads plenty in the past. I think it’s a matter of the Developer feels they have a better chance of being represented fairly if Don is in office.

In my home, we all honor military service!
I think if we’re all being candid, not video recorded or deposed....we would want all money out of politics. It’s an expensive proposition to run for and maintain an elected position. We get it. But we know that will never happen. In the interim we have to do our due diligence and follow the money and make our decisions accordingly.

[Shipping up to Boston]

The phrase that popped into my mind when reading some of these posts was, "all are equal but some are more equal than others."



On the issue of taxes, a few recent items stick in my mind:
- An agreement was made many years ago that resulted in the County raising the tax rate by nearly 30% to pay for road improvements made necessary by additional development
- When an increase to the road impact fee seemed about to pass, a state law was rushed through to retroactively cancel the increase and we know what happened to two BoCC members who were in favor of the increase
- When a new fee structure was proposed for fire protection that would have increase fees for businesses and decrease taxes for residents, the BoCC listened to those businesses and rejected the plan that they had initially supported.
- When separate MSBUs were proposed for TVPSD and SCFEMS, studies found that outside the Villages the burden should be shouldered by the businesses while inside the Villages the burden should be shouldered by the residents.
- With the cost of fire protection removed from the general fund, the BoCC is proposing to keep the tax rate at the rollback rate, add the MSTU rate, and promote this as a tax reduction when when it is effectively a 13% tax increase for residents of the Villages and more for those outside the Villages

all taxpayers are equal, but some are more equal than others
taxes (and fees) should be applied fairly, but more fairly for some than for others

Well said!

[Goldwingnut]

Where were you when the developers cronies raised our taxes 25%. That 25% was so that the tax payers were paying for the roads the developer needed to expand. The current issue is raising our fire fee so that you the tax payer could pay for new fire stations and equipment so he could still expand. New development should pay for its self like in every other county in the country.

You are believing the POA misinformation way too much. Over $11m of the $21m increase was needed for road maintenance on 2 of the busiest roads in the county Morse and Buena Vista. Maintenance under state law cannot be paid for with impact fees and raising these fees would have never had an impact on the budget increase that was passed primarily to cover these maintenance costs. The majority of the rest of the increase was necessitated by the county growth that triggered new levels of minimum services and compensation mandated by the state.

The fire fees are going up because the residents demanded better ambulance services - they were upset about having to wait 2 hours for transport to the hospital, imagine that. Faster response requires more vehicles and staff which carry a higher cost, which must be paid for by everyone.
Two new stations are under construction (48 & 49) that are being paid for and equipped by the developer and will be leased back to the VPSDDD with eventual transfer of ownership. Station 46 is being built and equipped by the VCCDD in response to the separation of the 2 fire departments, that is funded from their capital reserves.

On the subject of funding the growth, it is self funding and in a very positive way for the county. The county road agreement with the developer for the major roads are paid for with impact fees with 5 and 15 year deferrals - the county doesn't pay the developer until after the houses are built and impact fees are collected and held until the invoices are due. Comparing Sumter impact fees to other counties is apples and oranges. Other counties charge a "parks and recreation" impact fee, the developer builds all that and it cost the county nothing, fire impact fee I've already covered, school impact fee - the retirement community adds nothing to the schools and supports the schools with value-based school property taxes, and let's not forget that the charter schools were built by the developer at zero cost to the tax payers. Other infrastructure is built by the developer - water/sewer, residential roads, utility infrastructure are all put in by the developer and are either paid for by the bond or through closing assessments ($11000 on my second home just for utilities).
Take a close look at the Lake County fees and you will see that it's not $12K+ in impact fees for an age restricted home, it's just over $1200 (there is no school impact fee for AR homes), the POA put out complete deceptive information in the "Take back Sumter" email, they can't deal with real fact because they are blinded by their "I hate the developer" agenda.

[Shipping up to Boston]

I’ve known Don casually since we moved here over three years ago. I believe him to be a very principled person. Although we rib each other about which branch of the military we chose to serve in he seems to make the right decisions otherwise.
My thinking for why he was the beneficiary of the contributions he’s received is because the Developer knows there’s absolutely no chance of being treated fairly by Don’s opponent, given their history. I don’t believe that Don is a darling of the Developer either. They have butted heads plenty in the past. I think it’s a matter of the Developer feels they have a better chance of being represented fairly if Don is in office.
Whether you Don or not. Whether you’re going to vote for him or not. You at least have to respect the fact that he’s on here willing to subject himself to what pretty much amounts to a no win situation. Where are all the other candidates?

To answer your last sentence....DW is a regular on ToTV....his adoption services and his for profit YouTube drops are a constant...good for him. I don’t understand how answering a stakeholders questions is ‘a no win situation ‘....it comes with the position! In the case of OM, he’s in office currently....and with the exception of the 75 days his detractors gleefully celebrated...in the county jail.....he’s always been available to his constituents. I don’t see any OM questions on here because he doesn’t take developer or TV management or vendor money. If you want to change the narrative....start a new thread!

[Goldwingnut]

No his competitor was falsely imprisoned for working for the residents and trying to get the developer to pay his own bills to expand. You must of missed his conviction was thrown out. What does it say about a man who went through what he went through to get back up and come out fighting for the residents of Sumter County.

$282,000 vs $13,000. Look at the donors of the $282,000 contractors and those working for the developer.

I'll not comment on Miller beyond saying it was all self-inflected due to his disregard for Florida Sunshine laws.

You should be asking why nobody is contributing to the campaigns of our opponents, they are campaigning on a platform and with the backing of groups that most in Sumter County want no part of again.

[Shipping up to Boston]

I'll not comment on Miller beyond saying it was all self-inflected due to his disregard for Florida Sunshine laws.

You should be asking why nobody is contributing to the campaigns of our opponents, they are campaigning on a platform and with the backing of groups that most in Sumter County want no part of again.

Independent candidates across the nation raise less than their special interest heavily funded opponents....regardless of what capital letter is in the parentheses!

You know OM was wrongly convicted and you benefited from his circumstances by a relationship between a chief executive and his big donor friend.....our developer. Again, perfectly legal. But save us the holier than thou narrative. The money trail fills out the script.

[LeRoySmith]

I'd like to see campaign finance, investing (inside trading) and lobbing reform from dog catcher to the president.

As soon as money comes into the equation people are beholding (or can have the appearance of impropriety). I'd like to see a world where politicians serve the people, not themselves. How can a broke candidate become a millionaire in a handful of years? How can there not be decisions that aren't for the greater good in that situation?

I won't/can't comment on this local race but when you look at the donation and influence situation from a higher level this can't be what's best for everyone.

I rarely say anything here that's the least bit serious but this is one that I think could use some serious thought.


I'm not very happy that you all pulled me out of my 10 year old boy mindset for a minute but I'm going straight back as soon as I hit save :p

[FredMitchell]

How is this thread not about politics?

I got officially warned when I put up a link that allowed you to see a market and invest / gamble in futures on who would win nominations and presidential elections and did NOT make a single comment about politics!

[Moderator]

How is this thread not about politics?

I got officially warned when I put up a link that allowed you to see a market and invest / gamble in futures on who would win nominations and presidential elections and did NOT make a single comment about politics!
We allow “some” leeway for local politics. Once it turns into a partisan punch fest or ventures outside the realm of local issues, posts will be removed or the thread shut down.

[Michael 61]

We allow “some” leeway for local politics. Once it turns into a partisan punch fest or ventures outside the realm of local issues, posts will be removed or the thread shut down.

Thanks for clarifying - I sure hope people here can be respectful without resorting to shaming and name-calling.

[Stu from NYC]

How is this thread not about politics?

I got officially warned when I put up a link that allowed you to see a market and invest / gamble in futures on who would win nominations and presidential elections and did NOT make a single comment about politics!

Hmm thought it was about junk mail

[Shipping up to Boston]

I'll not comment on Miller beyond saying it was all self-inflected due to his disregard for Florida Sunshine laws.

You should be asking why nobody is contributing to the campaigns of our opponents, they are campaigning on a platform and with the backing of groups that most in Sumter County want no part of again.

This will be it for me on this one Don.....but wow...just wow!

The Sunshine Law which in most states is the Open Meeting Law is administrative in enforcement. Never, have i ever heard of an open meeting law violation resulting in jail time. Fines?.. Yes Resignations?... Yes Prison?... Never!
The larger point is when 'somebody' wants you really bad..... the lengths those 'somebodys' will go to ruin someone, are as clear as the central FL sky! It could happen to anyone of us and that alone should scare any sane and clear thinking individual.

To your second point...Most Villagers that you represent cannot afford their monthly expenses let alone trying to fire off a $1,000 political contribution to a neighbor.. in a LOCAL election. That statement alone is cause for concern.

[Michael 61]

This will be it for me on this one Don.....but wow...just wow!

The Sunshine Law which in most states is the Open Meeting Law is administrative in enforcement. Never, have i ever heard of an open meeting law violation resulting in jail time. Fines?.. Yes Resignations?... Yes Prison?... Never!
The larger point is when 'somebody' wants you really bad..... the lengths those 'somebodys' will go to ruin someone, are as clear as the central FL sky! It could happen to anyone of us and that alone should scare any sane and clear thinking individual.

To your second point...Most Villagers that you represent cannot afford their monthly expenses let alone trying to fire off a $1,000 political contribution to a neighbor.. in a LOCAL election. That statement alone is cause for concern.

Source please - “Most villagers that you represent cannot afford their monthly expenses” - That’s news to me and probably all of my neighbors.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Source please - “Most villagers that you represent cannot afford their monthly expenses” - That’s news to me and probably all of neighbors.

*Source: ToTV threads and archives. For those that actually take the time to read ALL posts on ALL threads. But im not gonna argue with anybody who vouches for the 'friendliness' of 150K Villagers. With that kind of knowledge....my statement should be a slam dunk

[Michael 61]

*Source: ToTV threads and archives. For those that actually take the time to read ALL posts on ALL threads. But im not gonna argue with anybody who vouches for the 'friendliness' of 150K Villagers. With that kind of knowledge....my statement should be a slam dunk

Life and retirement in The Villages is great - I hope you find that to be true when/if you move here.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Life and retirement in The Villages is great - I hope you find that to be true when/if you move here.

Agree kind sir!

[Bogie Shooter]

Life and retirement in The Villages is great - I hope you find that to be true when/if you move here.
Are you saying he doesn’t live here?

[Michael 61]

Are you saying he doesn’t live here?

I’ll let him answer - he has never made any mention that he has a home here.

[Marathon Man]

Maybe he built a great place for us to live because of his political power. Makes sense, let’s make it harder for developer to be successful.

It’s called freedom of speech.
The developer wants elected officials who believe in low taxes and free market. That is who they give political donations to.

I prefer elected officials who are beholding to no one. They do what is best for the community that they serve. And, at times, that will not be the same as what is best for the people in the community.

[Stu from NYC]

I prefer elected officials who are beholding to no one. They do what is best for the community that they serve. And, at times, that will not be the same as what is best for the people in the community.

I believe Don will do a good job representing us but would feel better if he did not get and accept the funds given to him by the developer and his subs. Do not think he needs hundreds of thousands of dollars to fund his campaign

[Goldwingnut]

I believe Don will do a good job representing us but would feel better if he did not get and accept the funds given to him by the developer and his subs. Do not think he needs hundreds of thousands of dollars to fund his campaign

I prefer elected officials who are beholding to no one. They do what is best for the community that they serve. And, at times, that will not be the same as what is best for the people in the community.

So Marathon, at what value do you place a person's integrity, you obviously think mine is worth less than a thousand dollars, what about the $200 donor, am I also beholding to them also? How about the $50 donor? Is $10 too much? Where do you draw the line, what is too much? What do you think I am selling my integrity for? I will tell you this, it is not for sale, it never has been and never will be.
If you're unhappy with the maximum amount allowed by the state law then run for office and replace John Temple and lower it to what you think a man's integrity is worth. As I've said before, these statements reflect the commenter's value and morals, not mine.

Ok Stu, whom should I accept donations from, you seem to be the all knowing moral compass; share with all of us your divine wisdom on who is the right person and who is the wrong person to take a donation from. What makes one person better than another? Are they not also residents of Sumter County, what makes the developer and the other business leaders unworthy of being able to support one candidate or another, but other individuals worthy? Why stop with the developer and their sub-contractors? Why not their sub-subcontractors. Why not everyone who has ever made a dollar because of the developer, this would then include everyone who has ever sold a home built by the developer. That would include yourself, Stu, if you decide to sell your home and move back to New York, you would be unworthy.

Believe it or not, there are still a few of us left in the world that believe in doing the right thing because it is the right thing to do, that believe in serving their community for the good of the community, that there are still people with a level of integrity that really doesn't have a price tag on it.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

That EVIL developer is at it again.

What to do??? Maybe live someplace else?

Bingo!

[Bogie Shooter]

So Marathon, at what value do you place a person's integrity, you obviously think mine is worth less than a thousand dollars, what about the $200 donor, am I also beholding to them also? How about the $50 donor? Is $10 too much? Where do you draw the line, what is too much? What do you think I am selling my integrity for? I will tell you this, it is not for sale, it never has been and never will be.
If you're unhappy with the maximum amount allowed by the state law then run for office and replace John Temple and lower it to what you think a man's integrity is worth. As I've said before, these statements reflect the commenter's value and morals, not mine.

Ok Stu, whom should I accept donations from, you seem to be the all knowing moral compass; share with all of us your divine wisdom on who is the right person and who is the wrong person to take a donation from. What makes one person better than another? Are they not also residents of Sumter County, what makes the developer and the other business leaders unworthy of being able to support one candidate or another, but other individuals worthy? Why stop with the developer and their sub-contractors? Why not their sub-subcontractors. Why not everyone who has ever made a dollar because of the developer, this would then include everyone who has ever sold a home built by the developer. That would include yourself, Stu, if you decide to sell your home and move back to New York, you would be unworthy.

Believe it or not, there are still a few of us left in the world that believe in doing the right thing because it is the right thing to do, that believe in serving their community for the good of the community, that there are still people with a level of integrity that really doesn't have a price tag on it.

:BigApplause::BigApplause:

[Bill14564]

Somewhat disingenuous to act indignant over $10, $50, or $200 donations when there is the appearance of a coordinated effort to contribute over $80,000.

Not improper and not wrong to accept but not quite the same.

[Stu from NYC]

Ok Stu, whom should I accept donations from, you seem to be the all knowing moral compass; share with all of us your divine wisdom on who is the right person and who is the wrong person to take a donation from. What makes one person better than another? Are they not also residents of Sumter County, what makes the developer and the other business leaders unworthy of being able to support one candidate or another, but other individuals worthy? Why stop with the developer and their sub-contractors? Why not their sub-subcontractors. Why not everyone who has ever made a dollar because of the developer, this would then include everyone who has ever sold a home built by the developer. That would include yourself, Stu, if you decide to sell your home and move back to New York, you would be unworthy.

Believe it or not, there are still a few of us left in the world that believe in doing the right thing because it is the right thing to do, that believe in serving their community for the good of the community, that there are still people with a level of integrity that really doesn't have a price tag on it.

Don never thought you were not a man of integrity and thank you for your service to our country.

I just think it does not look right when you represent the citizens of Sumter but are accepting huge amounts of donations from non citizens who do the bidding of the developer. Do I still expect to vote for you, yes but stand by what I have said

[Michael 61]

Believe it or not, there are still a few of us left in the world that believe in doing the right thing because it is the right thing to do, that believe in serving their community for the good of the community, that there are still people with a level of integrity that really doesn't have a price tag on it.

Excellent response - sums it up well!

[HoosierPa]

That would work for me. Would like to here Don Wiley state why he accepted all of the donations from the developer and his suppliers and convince us he will be working in our best interests

I know Don Wiley personally. He is a man of very high integrity. He is also very wise. By far, the most qualified person running for Commissioner.

[Papa_lecki]

So Marathon, at what value do you place a person's integrity, you obviously think mine is worth less than a thousand dollars, what about the $200 donor, am I also beholding to them also? How about the $50 donor? Is $10 too much? Where do you draw the line, what is too much? What do you think I am selling my integrity for? I will tell you this, it is not for sale, it never has been and never will be.
If you're unhappy with the maximum amount allowed by the state law then run for office and replace John Temple and lower it to what you think a man's integrity is worth. As I've said before, these statements reflect the commenter's value and morals, not mine.

Ok Stu, whom should I accept donations from, you seem to be the all knowing moral compass; share with all of us your divine wisdom on who is the right person and who is the wrong person to take a donation from. What makes one person better than another? Are they not also residents of Sumter County, what makes the developer and the other business leaders unworthy of being able to support one candidate or another, but other individuals worthy? Why stop with the developer and their sub-contractors? Why not their sub-subcontractors. Why not everyone who has ever made a dollar because of the developer, this would then include everyone who has ever sold a home built by the developer. That would include yourself, Stu, if you decide to sell your home and move back to New York, you would be unworthy.

Believe it or not, there are still a few of us left in the world that believe in doing the right thing because it is the right thing to do, that believe in serving their community for the good of the community, that there are still people with a level of integrity that really doesn't have a price tag on it.

Best Response!!!!

You are only allowed to take donations from TOTV approved donors. Doesn’t sound like a Free Market/Free Speech type of policy.

[CybrSage]

all that money the developer gave to his elves running for sumter county commissioner showed up in my mailbox today.

It is not easy to find, so I reposted this for you.

No political references are allowed on the website. Users are not allowed to direct comments toward another user. Direct them to the topic. Violation of these rules can lead to account termination and ban.

[golfing eagles]

It is not easy to find, so I reposted this for you.

No political references are allowed on the website. Users are not allowed to direct comments toward another user. Direct them to the topic. Violation of these rules can lead to account termination and ban.

This was VERY EASY to find, if one reads post #54 from the moderators. But I'll repost it anyway:

"We allow “some” leeway for local politics. Once it turns into a partisan punch fest or ventures outside the realm of local issues, posts will be removed or the thread shut down."

[ROCKETMAN]

When asked if he is in the developers pocket because of donations from developer, he replied they have sued 7 times for my drone operations so no I’m not in his pocket.u[/HTML]

[Marathon Man]

So Marathon, at what value do you place a person's integrity, you obviously think mine is worth less than a thousand dollars, what about the $200 donor, am I also beholding to them also? How about the $50 donor? Is $10 too much? Where do you draw the line, what is too much? What do you think I am selling my integrity for? I will tell you this, it is not for sale, it never has been and never will be.
If you're unhappy with the maximum amount allowed by the state law then run for office and replace John Temple and lower it to what you think a man's integrity is worth. As I've said before, these statements reflect the commenter's value and morals, not mine.

Ok Stu, whom should I accept donations from, you seem to be the all knowing moral compass; share with all of us your divine wisdom on who is the right person and who is the wrong person to take a donation from. What makes one person better than another? Are they not also residents of Sumter County, what makes the developer and the other business leaders unworthy of being able to support one candidate or another, but other individuals worthy? Why stop with the developer and their sub-contractors? Why not their sub-subcontractors. Why not everyone who has ever made a dollar because of the developer, this would then include everyone who has ever sold a home built by the developer. That would include yourself, Stu, if you decide to sell your home and move back to New York, you would be unworthy.

Believe it or not, there are still a few of us left in the world that believe in doing the right thing because it is the right thing to do, that believe in serving their community for the good of the community, that there are still people with a level of integrity that really doesn't have a price tag on it.

I don't understand your question to me. I was simply responding to someone who seemed to believe that elected officials are beholding to those that donated to their campaign and should be to the residents. In no way did I state that I felt that way.

[Normal]

Remember, pro developer isn’t all bad or all good. It does however mean that the stance for pro Short Term Rental is important, it keeps pumps primed on the build, build, build machine.

Obviously a majority of residents aren’t dual land owners. It will be interesting to see how candidates lean, towards the majority who aren’t STR landlords, or towards the minority and the developer?

The topic is very important to many voters. It certainly will be a tough path to navigate politically.

[OhioBuckeye]

I don’t mind some junk mail but we live in new living area & most of the homes here are 7 yrs. old or newer & most of the junk mail we get is for windows carpet, tile, ect. The only thing I can think about the junk mail we get is stuff we have that’s already new, but then again these new homes do have to get some of these things replaced. I think they put very cheap things in them & want top dollar for these homes. Just a shame the people have to get some of these things replaced already when some of this junk mail we get, we should be able to opp out from getting! But to sum it up my junk mail now is minimal. Our granddaughters paid $500,000. for their home & there’s to many things to list!

[Goldwingnut]

Remember, pro developer isn’t all bad or all good. It does however mean that the stance for pro Short Term Rental is important, it keeps pumps primed on the build, build, build machine.

Obviously a majority of residents aren’t dual land owners. It will be interesting to see how candidates lean, towards the majority who aren’t STR landlords, or towards the minority and the developer?

The topic is very important to many voters. It certainly will be a tough path to navigate politically.

Great and valid comment. To put it bluntly I am totally against the short term rentals/air B&b/**** in our residential communities. They are generally disruptive and a detriment to the community. Long term rentals I have no problem with as most become neighbors and friends, they just don’t want all the issues that may come with home ownership. Unfortunately the state government is protecting the industries and have made it extremely difficult for local governments to take action against them.

[Papa_lecki]

Remember, pro developer isn’t all bad or all good. It does however mean that the stance for pro Short Term Rental is important, it keeps pumps primed on the build, build, build machine.

Obviously a majority of residents aren’t dual land owners. It will be interesting to see how candidates lean, towards the majority who aren’t STR landlords, or towards the minority and the developer?

The topic is very important to many voters. It certainly will be a tough path to navigate politically.

STR is interesting.
I am glad none of my neighbors are STRs.
However, I was glad they were available the 3 times I came down for a week at a time, when my wife and I stayed in a STR, before we bought

[jimmy o]

NOTHING is perfect!!! But The Villages is as close as I could ever have hoped for. THANK YOU Morse Family!!!! My wife and I came from Illinois (Cook County, which is always referred to as Crook County, and for a good reason). I feel sorry for all the folks that complain about this paradise, as I know that they will never be happy under any circumstances. They live here because there is nowhere better. Human nature is that we always want more and better, me too, I want better. But I sure as hell am thankful for this wonderful place, THE VILLAGES!!!

[merrymini]

I’ll go with Don. He knows more than I will ever know and seems to be even handed. I find it interesting that so many find that in order to have integrity, you must be poor. You need money to run a campaign and, as long as people follow the rules for contribution, they are free to make them to whomever they wish. The developer is rich because we made him rich. Capitalism is a wonderful thing.

[Altavia]

The developer and their subcontractors are as much a part of Sumter County as you, I, and every other individual is a part of Sumter County. Each and every one of us play a part in making Sumter County successful and prosperous. The business of Sumter County serve the residents and the residents support these businesses by giving them their business.

Take the example of a restaurant and its customers, if the county raises the taxes on the restaurant they have not choice but to raise their prices, the higher prices drive customers away. This reduces 1) sales tax revenues that help fund the county, 2) the need for employees who then have less to spend at other businesses, 3) the property values of the restaurant and its property tax contribution to the county budget, and these are just the tip of the iceberg. The reduced revenues have to be compensated for by raising taxes on everyone, leaving them less money to spend with business, leading to more business decline. This spirals out of control very quickly.
If the county raises the taxes on the residents the same spiral of decline is the same with just a slightly different starting point.
Ultimately rising taxes will drive residents away and drive businesses away, and result in even higher taxes for those that remain. Once this downwards trend starts, it is very difficult to reverse.
The only answer is to treat every part of the county - residents, businesses, farms, industry, etc. - fairly and not favor any one over the other and any favor or disfavor of any part starts the negative spiral. Working for the best interests of ALL of Sumter County is the only direction possible for the success of everyone.
What was happening 3 years ago when new members of the BOCC went on a vendetta against not just the developer but all the businesses of Sumter County started the downwards spiral that through their own stupidity and disregard for the laws of the State of Florida was arrested before significant damage could be done to our county's economy and its residents.

I don't work for or favor any entity in Sumter County, I work for all of Sumter County because we are all a part of the county.

Agreed and In addition I look at tax increases to support improving local infrastructure as an investment in the future for all of Sumter County as well as Florida.

Over 10,000 new homes added to the Sumter County property tax base the past 3 years alone means $60 million of additional real estate taxes per year.

This tax revenue is compounding at a rate over $18 million per year for residential property's alone and is why taxes have stayed relatively low relative to other counties.

Then there's the 15,000+ jobs.

The new roads are used by and benefit all of people in Sumter County. You can probably estimate better than I but it seems currently over 80% of the traffic in the expansion area is from people not living in the Villages.

[Stu from NYC]

Agreed and In addition I look at tax increases to support improving local infrastructure as an investment in the future for all of Sumter County as well as Florida.

Over 10,000 new homes added to the Sumter County property tax base the past 3 years alone means $60 million of additional real estate taxes per year.

This tax revenue is compounding at a rate over $18 million per year for residential property's alone and is why taxes have stayed relatively low relative to other counties.

Then there's the 15,000+ jobs.

The new roads are used by and benefit all of people in Sumter County. You can probably estimate better than I but it seems currently over 80% of the traffic in the expansion area is from people not living in the Villages.

80%. How did you come to that conclusion?

[BobnBev]

NOTHING is perfect!!! But The Villages is as close as I could ever have hoped for. THANK YOU Morse Family!!!! My wife and I came from Illinois (Cook County, which is always referred to as Crook County, and for a good reason). I feel sorry for all the folks that complain about this paradise, as I know that they will never be happy under any circumstances. They live here because there is nowhere better. Human nature is that we always want more and better, me too, I want better. But I sure as hell am thankful for this wonderful place, THE VILLAGES!!!

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[Altavia]

80%. How did you come to that conclusion?

Just a guesstimate driving/carting/biking the area and living within view of the new roads.

Probably 80% of the traffic on MBT is during the "rush" hours. More especially when the schools are open.

Majority of the traffic is clearly workers, construction & commercial vehicles, taking children to and from the charter schools, etc.

Another sign of the impact is a significant percentage of customers seen at Magnolia Plaza are younger people. The expansion serves the entire community.

Besides, we all know a very low percentage of the "northern Village people come down south ;-)

[LeRoySmith]

Besides, we all know a very low percentage of the "northern Village people come down south ;-)

I'm glad they stay up there, can you imagine how it would be down here with a bunch of old people?