Many Villagers Concerned About Lightning and Surge Protection

[jrref]

Given the unusually large number of lightning strikes and power surge events in the past weeks here in the Villages, many are seeking information on the subject. The Villages Lightning Study Group which Len Hathaway leads gives presentations on Lightning and Surge Protection all through the year at club meetings, special meetings organized by local residents interested in lightning and at the POA meetings. There is no way to reach every Villager to present the facts on the subject so here is the link to the POA meeting since it was recorded. It will explain all the information about lightning and surge protection by knowledgeable experts and the problems with the flexible gas lines used many years ago and what to do about it. I just want to mention, if you are considering whole house surge protection which I strongly feel is necessary for every home here in the Villages, Lenhart Electric is offering a special discount which will expire shortly to install the Eaton Ultra surge protector at your circuit breaker panel. This is Different than the Seco surge protector that most have installed at the Meter. The Seco protector is mainly designed to protect against large power surges coming from the power lines which statistically occur 20% of the time vs the Eaton Ultra mounted at the circuit breaker panel which is designed to block and manage all other power surges which statistically occur 80% of the time. If you are thinking about surge protection, I would schedule an appointment. Other electricians can install surge protection as well if you feel more comfortable with someone you have been using over the years but the message is to get it installed because there will come a day where lightning strikes near your home causing an induced power surge that can cause a lot of damage to your appliances and electronic equipment. This happens way more than you would think and is not generally publicized. The recent lightning strike at Sunset Pointe where the fire resulting from the strike was so intense that the fire department had to back away is around 900 ft from Len's home. He has the layered surge protection system we are recommending and had No damage from the event whereas other neighbors did have some damage even ones with the Seco protector.

If you decide to get a lightning protection system installed by a company other than A1 or Triangle, make sure of the following: 1) They should install 3 to 4 ,10 ft ground rods for a typical home here in the Villages and should provide you a written report of the "resistance readings" typially in ohms for each rod. Each rod should be 25 ohms or less. The smaller the reading the better. If they don't get these readings, they should be willing to drive the rods down 20 or even 30 ft in some extreme cases to get these readings. If you don't have good grounding the system won't work properly. If you have an existing or new LPS system you can reach out to me to check your ground rods. 2) Typically they should offer you an all copper system unless you request aluminum. For some people with light covered roofs, aluminum may be better because the rods and connecting cables will blend-in with the roof. All materials used should be UL Certified, (this usually isn't a problem). 3) Every lightning rod or air terminal must have at least two paths to the ground rods. Ask for a drawing of the lightning rod and ground cables for your specific installation. 4) Check to see how long the company has been in business. You want to use a company that's going to be there in case you need serivce. This is just what comes to mind as the most important items you need to check. I'm sure there are other companies who will do a good job but since the industry isn't regulated you want to check some of these items.

https://youtu.be/IJMLyywdB0A?t=1831

[Altavia]

Good info and guidance, thanks for sharing!

I'll add surge protection is now required per the electrical code for new builds.

The manufacturer of CCST gas lines now recommend a LPS for lightening prone areas.

[pikeselectric]

Type 2 surge protection, such as the Eaton Ultra, is one of the most important ways to secure your home's valuable major appliances, equipment, and electronics. We, at Pike's Electric, also install the Eaton Ultra, CHSPT2ULTRA. We have them heavily available and in stock. If you call us, we offer a Talk of The Villages discount when you call in to schedule.
I look forward to talking more about this device for anyone that is interested.
Casandra at Pike's Electric
(352)748-6251
cnelson@pikeselectric.com

[thelegges]

Have to admit I don’t worry about something that may or may not happen. While in Michigan we had tornados we could watch from the basement behind our home for more times than I can count. Our daughter’s neighborhood was hit with Twin tornadoes, that leveled 200 trees, houses, taking rescues 6 hours to gain entrance because of road being blocked by 100 year old Oaks.
After she said “ well I didn’t like the color of siding or roof, or those 6 giant oaks in the back yard.” Time to pick new colors and Mom can you put sheets in 4 bedrooms, we coming for a visit.

Weather just has to be taken in stride, worry shouldn’t consume your mind, that may never happen.

[pikeselectric]

Good info and guidance, thanks for sharing!

I'll add surge protection is now required per the electrical code for new builds.

The manufacturer of CCST gas lines now recommend a LPS for lightening prone areas.

Hi Altavia, you are correct. A "form" of surge protection is currently required for new construction builds per the NEC Code in effect as of 1/1/24. Thus, we are using a smaller surge in construction called the BRPSurge made by Eaton.
This unit does not have the extensive warranty, like the Ultra does (Limited Lifetime $75,000 coverage in connected equipment). The BRPSurge is a 1 year warranty only. Thus, if anyone in new build homes in The Villages such as Lake Denham, Moultrie Creek, and previous Villages such as Citrus Grove, Hawkins, Cason Hammock, Hammock at Fenney, etc. These customers should highly consider getting the Ultra if they do not have any protection at all or if they are reaching just after their 1 year Villages warranty, to consider the installation to get the best coverage available.
:)
- Casandra, Pike's Electric

[LeoBJ]

jrref,

What is your opinion of Siemens' FSPD140?

Thanks!
Leo

[Altavia]

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[mrrmauu]

Given the unusually large number of lightning strikes and power surge events in the past weeks here in the Villages, many are seeking information on the subject. The Villages Lightning Study Group which Len Hathaway leads gives presentations on Lightning and Surge Protection all through the year at club meetings, special meetings organized by local residents interested in lightning and at the POA meetings. There is no way to reach every Villager to present the facts on the subject so here is the link to the POA meeting since it was recorded. It will explain all the information about lightning and surge protection by knowledgeable experts and the problems with the flexible gas lines used many years ago and what to do about it. I just want to mention, if you are concidering whole house surge protection which I strongly feel is necessary for every home here in the Villages, Lenhart Electric is offering a special discount which will expire shortly to install the Eaton Ultra surge protector at your circuit breaker panel. This is Different than the Seco surge protector that most have installed at the Meter. The Seco protector is mainly designed to protect against large power surges coming from the power lines which statistically occur 20% of the time vs the Eaton Ultra mounted at the circuit breaker panel which is designed to block and manage all other power surges which statistically occur 80% of the time. If you are thinking about surge protection, I would schedule an appointment. Other electricians can install surge protection as well if you feel more comfortable with someone you have been using over the years but the message is to get it installed because there will come a day where lightning strikes near your home causing an induced power surge that can cause a lot of damage to your appliances and electronic equipment. This happens way more than you would think and is not generally publicized. The recent lightning strike at Sunset Pointe where the fire resulting from the strike was so intense that the fire department had to back away is around 900 ft from Len's home. He has the layered surge protection system we are recommending and had No damage from the event whereas other neighbors did have some damage even ones with the Seco protector.

If you decide to get a lightning protection system installed by a company other than A1 or Triangle, make sure of the following: 1) They should install 3 to 4 ,10 ft ground rods for a typical home here in the Villages and should provide you a written report of the "resistance readings" typially in ohms for each rod. Each rod should be 25 ohms or less. The smaller the reading the better. If they don't get these readings, they should be willing to drive the rods down 20 or even 30 ft in some extreem cases to get these readings. If you don't have good grounding the system won't work properly. If you have an existing or new LPS system you can reach out to me to check your ground rods for a very small fee. 2) Typically they should offer you a all copper system unless you request aluminum. For some people with light covered roofs, aluminum may be better because the rods and connecting cables will blend-in with the roof. All materials used should be UL Certified, (this usually isn't a problem). 3) Every lightning rod or air terminal must have at least two paths to the ground rods. Ask for a drawing of the lightning rod and ground cables for your specific installation. 4) Check to see how long the company has been in business. You want to use a company that's going to be there in case you need serivce. This is just what comes to mind as the most important items you need to check. I'm sure there are other companies who will do a good job but since the industry isn't regulated you want to check some of these items.

https://youtu.be/IJMLyywdB0A?t=1831

Thank you for the detailed info! Do A1 and Triangle install the wire that connects the lightening rods in the attic or outside on the roof? I watched a video from “This Old House” and they showed the wire in the attic which is much more atheistic and better when the roof needs to be replaced. Also, they said in sandy soil such as what we have in Florida, the rods should be driven 20’ deep. Thanks.

[Ignatz]

I may have missed it in the thread but does a LPS system work in concert with the Eaton Ultra surge protector or does it eliminate the need for it?

[Altavia]

I may have missed it in the thread but does a LPS system work in concert with the Eaton Ultra surge protector or does it eliminate the need for it?

Both are recomended for complete risk reduction

The LPS can be thought of as acting as a "shield" dissipating a lightening strike that could be headed towards a structure around that structure.

The surge protector dissipates surge currents induced by an indirect nearby strike or into the powerlines.

[kendi]

Have to admit I don’t worry about something that may or may not happen. While in Michigan we had tornados we could watch from the basement behind our home for more times than I can count. Our daughter’s neighborhood was hit with Twin tornadoes, that leveled 200 trees, houses, taking rescues 6 hours to gain entrance because of road being blocked by 100 year old Oaks.
After she said “ well I didn’t like the color of siding or roof, or those 6 giant oaks in the back yard.” Time to pick new colors and Mom can you put sheets in 4 bedrooms, we coming for a visit.

Weather just has to be taken in stride, worry shouldn’t consume your mind, that may never happen.

Worry doesn’t consume the mind when one takes care of their things. It’s much easier to take preventative measures than to buy all new appliances or build a new house.

[srswans]

Thank you for the detailed info! Do A1 and Triangle install the wire that connects the lightening rods in the attic or outside on the roof? ….

The A-1 system is on the roof for existing houses (i.e., post-construction). A-1 can install inside if you like during construction; Danny showed me pictures from some Palm Coast houses under construction that he is doing that way.

[jrref]

jrref,

What is your opinion of Siemens' FSPD140?

Thanks!
Leo

There are many Type-2 surge protectors such as the Siemens on the market. The Siemens, Eaton, Vortexx all have very similar ratings and will effectively work about the same. I'm not too happy with the Ditek or EMP Shield since I've see a couple of those burn up with a severe hit. The reason why I recommend the Eaton Ultra is because it's the cheapest in that line-up and since most people are cost driven, it's better to have surge protection than not. Also, Lenhart Electric has been running a special discount if you mention these lightning threads here, so it's easy for Villagers to get the device installed. This discount will end shortly since costs have gone up for everything these days.

[jrref]

Both are recomended for complete risk reduction

The LPS can be thought of as acting as a "shield" dissipating a lightening strike that could be headed towards a structure around that structure.

The surge protector dissipates surge currents induced by an indirect nearby strike or into the powerlines.

Thank you, correct. Just to add, if you home ever got hit by lightning, if you have a layered surge protection system, and if the strike doesn't burn down your house, the surge protection could lessen the damage to your electronic devices.

[jrref]

The A-1 system is on the roof for existing houses (i.e., post-construction). A-1 can install inside if you like during construction; Danny showed me pictures from some Palm Coast houses under construction that he is doing that way.

As you mentioned, typically on a house already built, the system goes on the roof. In reality the cables could be run inside the attic on an already built home but it would be very complex and expensive which is why it not generally done.

[jrref]

Yesterday i took a tour of homes up north near the Sunset Pointe area to see the homes that have been struck by lightning over the years. These homes generally have gas and the dreaded CSST flexible gas pipe which can fail and cause a fire during a lightning event. Many people in these areas have a Lightning Protection System to protect their homes given they have this gas piping in their home. But many do not and it may be becasue they are new owners who have no idea about this threat. Some people have taken the gas out of their homes. That said, if you live in these areas and have the original CSST yellow flexible gas piping in your home, you should definetely consider installing a lightning protection system to protect your home becasue the probability of a significant fire from a lightning event is much higher. The tour was very interesting expecially looking at the houses in Sunset Pointe and St. Charles which recently burnt down. When you see the results of a lightning event in the news paper, it gives you concern but when you see it in person and can smell the burnt home and see the personal belongings burnt and destroyed through the openings in the home, it becomes real.

[jrref]

This is what Villagers need to consider. Surge protection in my opinion is mandatory. How much to install is up to you and your budget. Installing a lightning protection system or not is totally dependent on you tolerance for risk. The typical cost for a system is $2,000 to $3,500 depending onthe size of your home and the number of peaks, etc.. If you feel it's worth taking the risk of loosing all your personal belongings and maybe even your life, then do nothing. If you have the money or can plan for the expense then get a system to significantly lower your chances of a life altering event. Also, since the address of the recent strikes in Sunset Pointe and St. Charles are listed in the Villages News, I strongly suggest taking a ride to take a first hand look at these now destroyed homes. Attached are some pictures of recently destroyed homes to put things in perspective.

[zuidemab]

Can you plese comment on the Meter Treater vs Eaton technology and protection?

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Given the unusually large number of lightning strikes and power surge events in the past weeks here in the Villages, many are seeking information on the subject. The Villages Lightning Study Group which Len Hathaway leads gives presentations on Lightning and Surge Protection all through the year at club meetings, special meetings organized by local residents interested in lightning and at the POA meetings. There is no way to reach every Villager to present the facts on the subject so here is the link to the POA meeting since it was recorded. It will explain all the information about lightning and surge protection by knowledgeable experts and the problems with the flexible gas lines used many years ago and what to do about it. I just want to mention, if you are considering whole house surge protection which I strongly feel is necessary for every home here in the Villages, Lenhart Electric is offering a special discount which will expire shortly to install the Eaton Ultra surge protector at your circuit breaker panel. This is Different than the Seco surge protector that most have installed at the Meter. The Seco protector is mainly designed to protect against large power surges coming from the power lines which statistically occur 20% of the time vs the Eaton Ultra mounted at the circuit breaker panel which is designed to block and manage all other power surges which statistically occur 80% of the time. If you are thinking about surge protection, I would schedule an appointment. Other electricians can install surge protection as well if you feel more comfortable with someone you have been using over the years but the message is to get it installed because there will come a day where lightning strikes near your home causing an induced power surge that can cause a lot of damage to your appliances and electronic equipment. This happens way more than you would think and is not generally publicized. The recent lightning strike at Sunset Pointe where the fire resulting from the strike was so intense that the fire department had to back away is around 900 ft from Len's home. He has the layered surge protection system we are recommending and had No damage from the event whereas other neighbors did have some damage even ones with the Seco protector.

If you decide to get a lightning protection system installed by a company other than A1 or Triangle, make sure of the following: 1) They should install 3 to 4 ,10 ft ground rods for a typical home here in the Villages and should provide you a written report of the "resistance readings" typially in ohms for each rod. Each rod should be 25 ohms or less. The smaller the reading the better. If they don't get these readings, they should be willing to drive the rods down 20 or even 30 ft in some extreme cases to get these readings. If you don't have good grounding the system won't work properly. If you have an existing or new LPS system you can reach out to me to check your ground rods for a very small fee. 2) Typically they should offer you an all copper system unless you request aluminum. For some people with light covered roofs, aluminum may be better because the rods and connecting cables will blend-in with the roof. All materials used should be UL Certified, (this usually isn't a problem). 3) Every lightning rod or air terminal must have at least two paths to the ground rods. Ask for a drawing of the lightning rod and ground cables for your specific installation. 4) Check to see how long the company has been in business. You want to use a company that's going to be there in case you need serivce. This is just what comes to mind as the most important items you need to check. I'm sure there are other companies who will do a good job but since the industry isn't regulated you want to check some of these items.

https://youtu.be/IJMLyywdB0A?t=1831

[jrref]

Can you plese comment on the Meter Treater vs Eaton technology and protection?

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Sure, the Seco surge protector installed at your meter is a Type-1 protector designed mainly to block and manage large surges coming from the power utility. Although it can manage other surges, in it's warranty information they say it will not protect any devices with an electronic chip installed. This is due to it's internal design to manage very large surges. This is why there are reports of device damage and other electical anomolies from an induced power surge with only the Seco surge supressor installed. According to a study by Leviton Electric, power surges from the power utility statistically occur about 20% of the time while all others occur statistically 80% of the time. This is why we see reports of device damage with only the Seco surge protector installed. It's because the surge didn't come from the power line but it came from some other source.

The Type-2 Primary Surge protector installed at your circuit breaker panel such as the Eaton Ultra, will block and manage all surges occuring from any branch circuit going through your circuit breaker panel and prevent them from spreading to your entire home along with any residual surges passing from the Type-1 protector mounted at the meter. It's internal design will protect devices with an electronic chip installed. The Eaton Ultra is just one of many Type-2 primary surge protectors. The Siemens, Vortexx, and others have similar specifications and will effectively work the same but the Eaton Ultra is the cheapest in that line-up.

Ultimately, effective surge protection is only possible with a layered approach which means you need both Type-1 and Type-2 surge protectors along with the Type-3 point-of-use protectors at your sensitive electronic equipment such as your TVs, computers, modems and other devices. Fortunately, new HVAC and spa and pool installs include surge protection for these devices. Finally, surges can come from the cable and irrigation systems. Currently there are no devices to block surges coming from the irrigation system but you can get surge protectors for the cable on Amazon. Or you can switch to Fiber Internet if you home has it available and don't worry about this source of power surges.

[Ham_and_Cheese]

Would this system have any effect on homeowner's insurance (i.e. lowering it)?

It seems mitigating, or at least lessening, the chance of serious damage due to a lightning strike would warrant some sort of discount, no?

Has anyone received such a discount from their insurance company and if so, how much?
.

[Altavia]

Would this system have any effect on homeowner's insurance (i.e. lowering it)?

It seems mitigating, or at least lessening, the chance of serious damage due to a lightning strike would warrant some sort of discount, no?

Has anyone received such a discount from their insurance company and if so, how much?
.

When I ask the answer was no.

[HJBeck]

Understand many aesthetic concerns but would be concerned that an in attic installation of the ground wire connecting the lightning rods would permit a lightning stroke to go through your shingles and ply wood , thus setting the roof on fire. Just because one has lightning rods on ones roof does not guarantee that the lightning will actually hit the rods. Lightning standards go back many years (70+) and have been historically based on empirical data that suggests that the "cone of protection" around the rod offers a 1 in 1000 chance that a lightning strike will miss the rod. Having the ground wire on your roof increases the probability of the stroke hitting the grounding system before it hits the roof. All this said, it's still better to have rods then not to have them. All comes down to your risk tolerance.

[TravelswithD&K]

Yesterday, Len Hathaway, the head of the Villages Lightning Study Group took me on a tour of homes up north near the Sunset Pointe area to show me the homes that have been struck by lightning over the years. These homes generally have gas and the dreaded CSST flexible gas pipe which can fail and cause a fire during a lightning event. Many people in these areas have a Lightning Protection System to protect their homes given they have this gas piping in their home. But many do not and it may be becasue they are new owners who have no idea about this threat. Some people have taken the gas out of their homes. That said, if you live in these areas and have the original CSST yellow flexible gas piping in your home, you should definetely consider installing a lightning protection system to protect your home becasue the probability of a significant fire from a lightning event is much higher. The tour was very interesting expecially looking at the houses in Sunset Pointe and St. Charles which recently burnt down. When you see the results of a lightning event in the news paper, it gives you concern but when you see it in person and can smell the burnt home and see the personal belongings burnt and destroyed through the openings in the home, it becomes real. I mentioned to Len that he get an open air bus or give golf cart tours to Villagers!

Does Monarch Grove have this type of flexible gas piping?

[jrref]

Does Monarch Grove have this type of flexible gas piping?

No, homes south of Rt.44 have the newer updated flexible gas piping. Not as good as black pipe but there haven't been any issues with lightning.

[Altavia]

Does Monarch Grove have this type of flexible gas piping?

I observed what lightening hit the gas line of a home in Monarch Grove and another on Linden Isle two years ago. There may have been others.

The manufacturer of the newer coated CSST used here recomends a LPS when for areas of high lightening risk.

https://www.gastite.com/downloads/pdfs/gastite_di_guide.pdf

ALL OWNERS should consult a lightning safety consultant to determine whether installation of a lightning protection system would be required to achieve sufficient protection for all building components from lightning.

Factors to consider include whether the area is prone to lightning.

Areas with high lightning risk include but are not limited to: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, lowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, New Mexi-co, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia and West Virginia.

[Stu from NYC]

Yesterday, Len Hathaway, the head of the Villages Lightning Study Group took me on a tour of homes up north near the Sunset Pointe area to show me the homes that have been struck by lightning over the years. These homes generally have gas and the dreaded CSST flexible gas pipe which can fail and cause a fire during a lightning event. Many people in these areas have a Lightning Protection System to protect their homes given they have this gas piping in their home. But many do not and it may be becasue they are new owners who have no idea about this threat. Some people have taken the gas out of their homes. That said, if you live in these areas and have the original CSST yellow flexible gas piping in your home, you should definetely consider installing a lightning protection system to protect your home becasue the probability of a significant fire from a lightning event is much higher. The tour was very interesting expecially looking at the houses in Sunset Pointe and St. Charles which recently burnt down. When you see the results of a lightning event in the news paper, it gives you concern but when you see it in person and can smell the burnt home and see the personal belongings burnt and destroyed through the openings in the home, it becomes real. I mentioned to Len that he get an open air bus or give golf cart tours to Villagers!

Since our home is electric so no gas lines in our attic is it really necessary to put in a lightning protection system. We have a Seco surge protector and considering another one in our electrical box. We do have point of use protectors for our electronics.

[Altavia]

Since our home is electric so no gas lines in our attic is it really necessary to put in a lightning protection system. We have a Seco surge protector and considering another one in our electrical box. We do have point of use protectors for our electronics.

Good question. I suspect the likelihood is no different but gas lines in the attic can increase severity (feed fire) if punctured.(?)

[Stu from NYC]

Good question. I suspect the likelihood is no different but gas lines in the attic can increase severity (feed fire) if punctured.(?)

Hoping one of our experts can weigh in on this.

[jrref]

Good question. I suspect the likelihood is no different but gas lines in the attic can increase severity (feed fire) if punctured.(?)

Yes, your statement is correct. The need for surge protection and consideration to get a lightning protection system is still valid. If you have a home with gas, this also needs to be added into the decision making process.

[Pinkgirl]

Thx for all the info! Any idea what an avg cost is for the Eaton surge protector system?

[Kenswing]

Thx for all the info! Any idea what an avg cost is for the Eaton surge protector system?
I think both Pikes and Lenhart Electric are quoting in the $550 range.

[sounding]

Good info and guidance, thanks for sharing!

I'll add surge protection is now required per the electrical code for new builds.

The manufacturer of CCST gas lines now recommend a LPS for lightening prone areas.

After installing Lightning Rods, I replaced the yellow gas lines in the attic with black iron pipe - which is lightning proof.

[Nana2Teddy]

Yesterday, Len Hathaway, the head of the Villages Lightning Study Group took me on a tour of homes up north near the Sunset Pointe area to show me the homes that have been struck by lightning over the years. These homes generally have gas and the dreaded CSST flexible gas pipe which can fail and cause a fire during a lightning event. Many people in these areas have a Lightning Protection System to protect their homes given they have this gas piping in their home. But many do not and it may be becasue they are new owners who have no idea about this threat. Some people have taken the gas out of their homes. That said, if you live in these areas and have the original CSST yellow flexible gas piping in your home, you should definetely consider installing a lightning protection system to protect your home becasue the probability of a significant fire from a lightning event is much higher. The tour was very interesting expecially looking at the houses in Sunset Pointe and St. Charles which recently burnt down. When you see the results of a lightning event in the news paper, it gives you concern but when you see it in person and can smell the burnt home and see the personal belongings burnt and destroyed through the openings in the home, it becomes real. I mentioned to Len that he get an open air bus or give golf cart tours to Villagers!
My husband said the gas line in our attic is black. Is this the safer kind? Our home in DeLuna is two years old.

[Nana2Teddy]

No, homes south of Rt.44 have the newer updated flexible gas piping. Not as good as black pipe but there haven't been any issues with lightning.
Our home in DeLuna has black gas piping in the attic. Is it the updated flexible gas piping, or better?

[Nana2Teddy]

Why do firefighters not recommend a LPS? Job security?

[Nana2Teddy]

Has anyone called A-1 or Triangle recently to get a quote? Just curious how backed up they are currently. I’m guessing it’s a long wait list.

[Altavia]

Our home in DeLuna has black gas piping in the attic. Is it the updated flexible gas piping, or better?

Yes. But the manufacturer of that tubing recommends the following:

https://www.gastite.com/downloads/pdfs/gastite_di_guide.pdf


IMPORTANT LIGHTENING SAFETY WARNING

ALL OWNERS should consult a lightning safety consultant to determine whether installation of a lightning protection system would be required to achieve sufficient protection for all building components from lightning.

Factors to consider include whether the area is prone to lightning. Areas with high lightning risk include but are not limited to: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, ...

[sounding]

Our home in DeLuna has black gas piping in the attic. Is it the updated flexible gas piping, or better?

The black flexible piping is better than the yellow, but it is not lightning proof -- only black iron pipe is (like I have). Either way, if you have gas service in your attic you should have lightning rods - unless you eventually want to see a story about your house in the newspaper.

[jrref]

I think both Pikes and Lenhart Electric are quoting in the $550 range.

Lenhart has a special deal that will expire shortly where they will install the Eaton Ultra for $450. In order to get the discount you need to mention you were referred by John on Talk of the Villages.

[jrref]

Yes. But the manufacturer of that tubing recommends the following:

https://www.gastite.com/downloads/pdfs/gastite_di_guide.pdf


IMPORTANT LIGHTENING SAFETY WARNING

ALL OWNERS should consult a lightning safety consultant to determine whether installation of a lightning protection system would be required to achieve sufficient protection for all building components from lightning.

Factors to consider include whether the area is prone to lightning. Areas with high lightning risk include but are not limited to: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, ...



Has anyone called A-1 or Triangle recently to get a quote? Just curious how backed up they are currently. I’m guessing it’s a long wait list.

As of yesterday my neighbor got an install date of November 20th. Yes they are very booked. You can also try Triangle Lightning protection. A1 and Triangle do basically the same quality job. Triangle may be slightly more expensive but their availability may be better since they have several trained and certified installation crews. It's worth it to give them a call.

[jrref]

Why do firefighters not recommend a LPS? Job security?

The reason is they are not trained and should not be commenting but referring you to a knowledgable source. If you speak to any of the captains, most have been trained or seen the presentations to give you a reliable answer.

[Hape2Bhr]

After installing Lightning Rods, I replaced the yellow gas lines in the attic with black iron pipe - which is lightning proof.

Was it necessary to open up any walls to replace the flexible pipe? Was the line from the meter to the attic, and the attic to gas units replaced. Is there a plumber you recommend to do this work? Seems like one might want to do this regardless of having an LPS installed.

[Kenswing]

Lenhart has a special deal that will expire shortly where they will install the Eaton Ultra for $450. Just called them and was quoted $550.

[sounding]

Was it necessary to open up any walls to replace the flexible pipe? Was the line from the meter to the attic, and the attic to gas units replaced. Is there a plumber you recommend to do this work? Seems like one might want to do this regardless of having an LPS installed.

Jesse Mobley Gas Piping did a great job 8 years ago, but it is now a closed business. No walls were opened, but all exposed yellow CSST were replaced. If CSST did exist within the walls it would be within the cement block walls. The scariest moment of my move to the Villages was finding the yellow CSST gas lines in my attic - which are now gone.

[LuckyS]

Anybody have any experience with Lightning Defense out of Zephyrhills?

[jrref]

Just called them and was quoted $550.
You need to tell them your were referred by John from Talk of the Villages to get the special discount.

[Altavia]

The black flexible piping is better than the yellow, but it is not lightning proof -- only black iron pipe is (like I have). Either way, if you have gas service in your attic you should have lightning rods - unless you eventually want to see a story about your house in the newspaper.

You have to wonder how long that "Flash Shield" self sealing black coating will hold up in Florida attics.

I'd hate to be the Chief Engineer for the Developers construction business and be called into a deposition after people perish in a fire resulting from this material and be ask why after all the documented issues and recalls they continued to use attic routed CSST gas lines in the lightening capital of the US.

[Altavia]

Anybody have any experience with Lightning Defense out of Zephyrhills?

Yes, very professional and clean install (+5 yrs ago).

[Altavia]

Why do firefighters not recommend a LPS? Job security?

They install LPS on firehouses here (that don't have metal roofs).

I have three retired fire fighter friends, one a former NYC Captain, who had LPS installed on their homes.

[pikeselectric]

Hi all! Casandra with Pike's Electric here. I highly encourage you to check out this video we have about the Eaton Ultra device:
https://fb.watch/tyotRhmSAB/
Also, you can email me with any further questions you may have. We would love to help you with this installation and offer you a Talk of The Villages discount on our services.
You can reach me via email at cnelson@pikeselectric.com
Thank you to all have reached out! :)

[Pairadocs]

Have to admit I don’t worry about something that may or may not happen. While in Michigan we had tornados we could watch from the basement behind our home for more times than I can count. Our daughter’s neighborhood was hit with Twin tornadoes, that leveled 200 trees, houses, taking rescues 6 hours to gain entrance because of road being blocked by 100 year old Oaks.
After she said “ well I didn’t like the color of siding or roof, or those 6 giant oaks in the back yard.” Time to pick new colors and Mom can you put sheets in 4 bedrooms, we coming for a visit.

Weather just has to be taken in stride, worry shouldn’t consume your mind, that may never happen.

Lol, kind of feel the same way. Maybe it's "age" ? Or better said experience (as you pointed out). Not trying to be flippant, but one person active on this site quotes Tom Petty on most things worried about never happen anyway. Not being flippant, but I think if you tend to worry a great deal, why not invest in something to allay that worry ! We had many years of "luck", then about 8 years ago, big strike in backyard. Lost overhead garage door opener and one TV. Probably foolish to some, but didn't move us to install any kind of major system. Just researched the effectiveness of a few different surge "protectors" and installed several between TV, freezer, overhead outlet for garage opener, etc. Can't say they are fool proof, but we have since had a number of close strikes...including one in the street in front of the house ! So far, we've had no damage. But I'm sure others would not feel any sense of relief from just these simple "protectors" between expensive appliances and wall outlets. My view is do what relieves YOUR stress, not what others tell you to do.

[Nana2Teddy]

Yes. But the manufacturer of that tubing recommends the following:

https://www.gastite.com/downloads/pdfs/gastite_di_guide.pdf


IMPORTANT LIGHTENING SAFETY WARNING

ALL OWNERS should consult a lightning safety consultant to determine whether installation of a lightning protection system would be required to achieve sufficient protection for all building components from lightning.

Factors to consider include whether the area is prone to lightning. Areas with high lightning risk include but are not limited to: Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, ...


Thank you! I’ll pass on to hubby. 👍🏻

[Nana2Teddy]

The reason is they are not trained and should not be commenting but referring you to a knowledgable source. If you speak to any of the captains, most have been trained or seen the presentations to give you a reliable answer.
Okay, thx!

[Nana2Teddy]

After installing Lightning Rods, I replaced the yellow gas lines in the attic with black iron pipe - which is lightning proof.
Who did you use to replace the gas lines with the black iron pipe please?

[sounding]

Mentioned in post #44.

[jrref]

Lol, kind of feel the same way. Maybe it's "age" ? Or better said experience (as you pointed out). Not trying to be flippant, but one person active on this site quotes Tom Petty on most things worried about never happen anyway. Not being flippant, but I think if you tend to worry a great deal, why not invest in something to allay that worry ! We had many years of "luck", then about 8 years ago, big strike in backyard. Lost overhead garage door opener and one TV. Probably foolish to some, but didn't move us to install any kind of major system. Just researched the effectiveness of a few different surge "protectors" and installed several between TV, freezer, overhead outlet for garage opener, etc. Can't say they are fool proof, but we have since had a number of close strikes...including one in the street in front of the house ! So far, we've had no damage. But I'm sure others would not feel any sense of relief from just these simple "protectors" between expensive appliances and wall outlets. My view is do what relieves YOUR stress, not what others tell you to do.

I'm glad you did the "right thing" but this is a great example of many who may know about surge protection but never do anything until they have an event. I can't tell you how many times I see Villagers saying they don't need a lightning protection system, or that they don't work or some other reason why they don't need it but when a neighbor gets hit most run out and get a system. Same applies to surge protection.

Due to the larger than "normal" number of homes hit and destroyed by lightning in the past couple of months, the few Lightning Protection companies such as A1 and Triangle and Lenhart Electric installing whole house surge protection are booked up for months. My neighbor was telling me he has to wait for A1 till the end of November and that was as of last week.

I guess it's human nature.

[asianthree]

Due to the larger than "normal" number of homes hit and destroyed by lightning in the past couple of months, the few Lightning Protection companies such as A1 and Triangle and Lenhart Electric installing whole house surge protection are booked up for months. My neighbor was telling me he has to wait for A1 till the end of November and that was as of last week.

I guess it's human nature.

I have to ask what is exact number of “larger than normal homes hit? Would peak interest if number per year, then one can actually see increase say for the past 10 years.
However how many new homes have been added to the mix per year in the last 10 years.
A comparison of roof tops per strike for each year, may be a conversation worth having.
Then since info would be beneficial break down south of 44 which has less giant trees, then say between the 6’s where trees are fewer, and in northern area where giant trees are everywhere.

For many money isn’t the object, but sound numbers of document strikes is definitely worth looking at.but more than normal doesn’t really make an interesting topic for those who look at statistics

That would be a great informational meeting.

[jrref]

I have to ask what is exact number of “larger than normal homes hit? Would peak interest if number per year, then one can actually see increase say for the past 10 years.
However how many new homes have been added to the mix per year in the last 10 years.
A comparison of roof tops per strike for each year, may be a conversation worth having.
Then since info would be beneficial break down south of 44 which has less giant trees, then say between the 6’s where trees are fewer, and in northern area where giant trees are everywhere.

For many money isn’t the object, but sound numbers of document strikes is definitely worth looking at.but more than normal doesn’t really make an interesting topic for those who look at statistics

That would be a great informational meeting.

Since 2004 to present there have been 27 homes destroyed or significantly damaged by lightning according to the Villages Lightning Study Group. We know there are more that have been damaged without fire that were not reported. Zero had a lightning protection system (LPS). There are 16 homes documented with a LPS that believe they were hit but had no fire or significant damage. One homeowner witnessed the strike. Large trees around the home, tall homes, short homes, homes with an LPS around the struck home have no effect on where the strike occurred. The home destroyed recently in Sunset Pointe had towering Queen palms in its front yard but the lightning hit the house. Lightning is totally unpredictable.

[sounding]

I have to ask what is exact number of “larger than normal homes hit? Would peak interest if number per year, then one can actually see increase say for the past 10 years.
However how many new homes have been added to the mix per year in the last 10 years.
A comparison of roof tops per strike for each year, may be a conversation worth having.
Then since info would be beneficial break down south of 44 which has less giant trees, then say between the 6’s where trees are fewer, and in northern area where giant trees are everywhere.

For many money isn’t the object, but sound numbers of document strikes is definitely worth looking at.but more than normal doesn’t really make an interesting topic for those who look at statistics

That would be a great informational meeting.

Thinking that trees help protect you from lighting is bad thinking - and dangerous thinking. There are numerous cases of homes being hit by lighting even though large tress were next to the home. People forget - homes are better pathways into the ground than trees, because homes have pipes, conduits, and wires which can travel deep into the ground via utilities connections. In other words ... lightning bolts often see homes as better targets than trees -- without or without lighting rods. Don't become a statistic.

[Altavia]

Thinking that trees help protect you from lighting is bad thinking - and dangerous thinking. There are numerous cases of homes being hit by lighting even though large tress were next to the home. People forget - homes are better pathways into the ground than trees, because homes have pipes, conduits, and wires which can travel deep into the ground via utilities connections. In other words ... lightning bolts often see homes as better targets than trees -- without or without lighting rods. Don't become a statistic.

Exactly. Side flashes from the tree into the home have also been reported.

[asianthree]

Thinking that trees help protect you from lighting is bad thinking - and dangerous thinking. There are numerous cases of homes being hit by lighting even though large tress were next to the home. People forget - homes are better pathways into the ground than trees, because homes have pipes, conduits, and wires which can travel deep into the ground via utilities connections. In other words ... lightning bolts often see homes as better targets than trees -- without or without lighting rods. Don't become a statistic.

Not thinking that at all. We are now south of 44 so in the prior fields of watermelon, livestock and crops. Just thousands of rooftops most within 7-10’ apart. So lighting most likely will always hit a roof. 2 month old Home 6 houses down was struck by lightning, 2022, pond behind, gas lines in the roof top, hole in roof no fire.

Between the 6’s most homes are the same height, with the same sf models built during that time. Roof tops are farther apart, 10- 20’ most trees are pretty much planted with very few old trees. We had a direct hit 3 houses down from us, in 2020. Just a hole in the garage part of the roof, that the torrential downpour if there was a fire it was out before trucks arrived. It did, however, knock out multiple houses of their appliances TVs and such. We and 1 other had surge protectors. Everything was unplugged at our house but still destroyed our irrigation box.

In the northern area, homes build with larger lots, so roof tops can be much farther apart. In some areas trees are so dense one wonders how rain gets through. While we were visiting Family not close to Lopez, but in general area, had lighting hit their house with 6 giant trees that ringed the home. Damage to the roof of garage, with smoldering, but no fire. That was 2007.

So personal experience from 2007 to 2024, three strikes. One might not want to live near us lightning has followed us to 3 out of 4 different villages in 17 years.

[jrref]

Not thinking that at all. We are now south of 44 so in the prior fields of watermelon, livestock and crops. Just thousands of rooftops most within 7-10’ apart. So lighting most likely will always hit a roof. 2 month old Home 6 houses down was struck by lightning, 2022, pond behind, gas lines in the roof top, hole in roof no fire.

Between the 6’s most homes are the same height, with the same sf models built during that time. Roof tops are farther apart, 10- 20’ most trees are pretty much planted with very few old trees. We had a direct hit 3 houses down from us, in 2020. Just a hole in the garage part of the roof, that the torrential downpour if there was a fire it was out before trucks arrived. It did, however, knock out multiple houses of their appliances TVs and such. We and 1 other had surge protectors. Everything was unplugged at our house but still destroyed our irrigation box.

In the northern area, homes build with larger lots, so roof tops can be much farther apart. In some areas trees are so dense one wonders how rain gets through. While we were visiting Family not close to Lopez, but in general area, had lighting hit their house with 6 giant trees that ringed the home. Damage to the roof of garage, with smoldering, but no fire. That was 2007.

So personal experience from 2007 to 2024, three strikes. One might not want to live near us lightning has followed us to 3 out of 4 different villages in 17 years.

And it's these stikes where luckily there was no fire that are usually not reported in addition to the homes around the stike that got power surge damage.

But what you are saying about the density of homes down south is very true. I'm always talking about it. For example the house that was hit in DeLuna last year was a field the years before so if lightning stiked, no one knows about it. Now there are homes there so it's statistically a matter of time where unfortunately we will see more lightning events in these areas.

[Nana2Teddy]

And it's these stikes where luckily there was no fire that are usually not reported in addition to the homes around the stike that got power surge damage.

But what you are saying about the density of homes down south is very true. I'm always talking about it. For example the house that was hit in DeLuna last year was a field the years before so if lightning stiked, no one knows about it. Now there are homes there so it's statistically a matter of time where unfortunately we will see more lightning events in these areas.
I’m 2 streets over from that DeLuna home that was hit. It’s nerve wracking every storm we get. A day ago lightning struck at LobLolly golf course near here. Some Deluna residents captured the lightning bolt off in the distance with their phone camera. We definitely heard it hit.

[sounding]

I’m 2 streets over from that DeLuna home that was hit. It’s nerve wracking every storm we get. A day ago lightning struck at LobLolly golf course near here. Some Deluna residents captured the lightning bolt off in the distance with their phone camera. We definitely heard it hit.

Lightning is not nerve-wracking for me. Even though I have gas lines in my attic, which I converted to lightning-proof black iron pipe, I have lightning rods, a whole house surge protection unit on my fuse box, and individual surge protectors on all home electronic devices. Now I just sit back and watch the show. Of course though, when I was a storm chaser - I went looking for the show.

[jrref]

I’m 2 streets over from that DeLuna home that was hit. It’s nerve wracking every storm we get. A day ago lightning struck at LobLolly golf course near here. Some Deluna residents captured the lightning bolt off in the distance with their phone camera. We definitely heard it hit.

In the Villages News in the past couple of days reported the pool equipment at the Franklyn Rec center was hit by lightning. Lightning started a fire on the fairway at the Lowlands Executive Golf Course, near the Water Lily Recreation Center, and lightning also sparked a blaze at about 5:30 p.m. Friday at a home on Cabella Circle in the Village of Hacienda North. This is in additon to all the strikes we have been talking about in the past week and yours that you mentioned today. I know A1 and Triangle lightning protection installers are booked up for several months so I'm sure after these couple of weeks of strikes you will see more systems installed. BUT I can tell you this, even if 50% of the homes in the Villages without a LPS were to call Triangle and A1 today to order a system, they probably couldn't install them all in our lifetime here in the Villages.

[Altavia]

FEMA rates risk of loss due to lightening in Sumter County higher than Hurricanes. 146/yr for lightening vs 1/3 yrs for hurricanes.

Map | National Risk Index (https://hazards.fema.gov/nri/map)

[EugeneF]

Hello Cassandra, Does Pike install complete LPS??

[asianthree]

I know A1 and Triangle lightning protection installers are booked up for several months so I'm sure after these couple of weeks of strikes you will see more systems installed. BUT I can tell you this, even if 50% of the homes in the Villages without a LPS were to call Triangle and A1 today to order a system, they probably couldn't install them all in our lifetime here in the Villages.

So if one called today install could probably be after storm season. Any interest above say 25-50% of homes, one needs to calculate end of life ratio.

Sounds like odds of winning lottery could be better than getting LPS install. Then again win the lottery, just buy a different house

[jrref]

So if one called today install could probably be after storm season. Any interest above say 25-50% of homes, one needs to calculate end of life ratio.

Sounds like odds of winning lottery could be better than getting LPS install. Then again win the lottery, just buy a different house

If you want a LPS system installed sooner, reach out to Triangle. I believe they have some appointments still open. But even if your appointment is way out, it's still better to get a system then not given all the data for those who want one.

[Nana2Teddy]

Lightning is not nerve-wracking for me. Even though I have gas lines in my attic, which I converted to lightning-proof black iron pipe, I have lightning rods, a whole house surge protection unit on my fuse box, and individual surge protectors on all home electronic devices. Now I just sit back and watch the show. Of course though, when I was a storm chaser - I went looking for the show.
We have all of the surge protection you mentioned as well as the one from SECO on the meter. How do we get our gas lines changed in the attic?

[asianthree]

We have all of the surge protection you mentioned as well as the one from SECO on the meter. How do we get our gas lines changed in the attic?

Newer homes no longer are built the yellow lines of years past.

[sounding]

We have all of the surge protection you mentioned as well as the one from SECO on the meter. How do we get our gas lines changed in the attic?

Use a gas piping contractor. The one I used 8 years ago has retired and no longer runs a business.

[sounding]

Newer homes no longer are built the yellow lines of years past.

True. I only replaced my gas lines because they were the cheaper, yellow, flexible lines that were not lightning proof.

[xcaligirl]

We moved here in 2014 and I KNEW I wanted lightning rods. Ended up purhasing a house that already had them but then moved and got lightning rods on the new property. With the violent storms we have here, I wouldn't do without them. People always doubt them until there is a horrible lightning storm! My husband never believed in them but we have them for my peace.

[Altavia]

Newer homes no longer are built the yellow lines of years past.

The only difference with the new CSST lines is a black plastic coating intended to self seal pinholes in the tubing from a near by lighting strike.

No telling how long that plastic coating will be effective in a Florida attic.

It will not survive a direct strike like iron pipe can.

Coated CSST can still turn your attic into a BBQ grill.

As posted previously, the CSST manufacturer recommends adding a LPS in areas of high lightening risk.

[Nana2Teddy]

We moved here in 2014 and I KNEW I wanted lightning rods. Ended up purhasing a house that already had them but then moved and got lightning rods on the new property. With the violent storms we have here, I wouldn't do without them. People always doubt them until there is a horrible lightning storm! My husband never believed in them but we have them for my peace.
I’m an xcaligirl too. I saw very brief lightning maybe 3x ever in my whole life as a native Southern Californian, so these storms here are terrifying to me. Will likely get the LPS.

[FredMitchell]

Has anyone called A-1 or Triangle recently to get a quote? Just curious how backed up they are currently. I’m guessing it’s a long wait list.

I called Triangle mid-morning today. Quote arrived before 1 PM. I only filled out a form at A-1 website. If I don't hear from them by tomorrow morning, I will call them.

Triangle needed address and T V home type. They use Google Earth to measure the roof and the home type for whatever additional information they needed. One the phone, she asked whether my bird cage enclosed a pool and what size was it. So I think she had looked at Google Earth immediately after getting the address while still on the phone. Quoted both copper and aluminum, with caveat that the aluminum lines would all need replacement when the roof is replaced. Copper can be save and reused.

HTH

[Nana2Teddy]

I called Triangle mid-morning today. Quote arrived before 1 PM. I only filled out a form at A-1 website. If I don't hear from them by tomorrow morning, I will call them.

Triangle needed address and T V home type. They use Google Earth to measure the roof and the home type for whatever additional information they needed. One the phone, she asked whether my bird cage enclosed a pool and what size was it. So I think she had looked at Google Earth immediately after getting the address while still on the phone. Quoted both copper and aluminum, with caveat that the aluminum lines would all need replacement when the roof is replaced. Copper can be save and reused.

HTH
Thank you! This helps a lot. I have heard elsewhere that A1 isn’t replying to their online form recently. Probably because they’re slammed with inquiries.

[asianthree]

Lightning is not nerve-wracking for me. Even though I have gas lines in my attic, which I converted to lightning-proof black iron pipe, I have lightning rods, a whole house surge protection unit on my fuse box, and individual surge protectors on all home electronic devices. Now I just sit back and watch the show. Of course though, when I was a storm chaser - I went looking for the show.

My guess is if you were a storm chaser, you are an adrenaline junky when storms are a possibility. AJ’s rarely come off that high, even when it’s no longer their profession. So my guess is nerve racking has never been an issue for you inside or outside, with or without installations.

Many residents lived in states with severe weather storms that caused extensive property damage. Rarely do the storms in TV cause them to waste time and health worrying over what may happen.

One of our previous neighbors, had both surge suppressors, rods, whole house generator, and a giant fire safe in a closet. One would think their protections would give them peace.
That’s not the case, for days before and after, possible tropical storms and entire summer lightning storms…..Fear at its highest.

So no matter how many layers one adds to a house, worry and fear for some will always exist, no matter what. And some just take the storm in stride no different than any other day.

Still on the fence on what we may or not add, to the whole house suppressor, right now I see the giant live oak behind our house, a possible issue.

[Altavia]

For those interested in the more technical aspects for a LPS.

Click on the video at the bottom of the page.
..
Principles of Lightning Protection Systems for Architects and Engineers | UL Solutions (https://www.ul.com/resources/principles-lightning-protection-systems-architects-and-engineers)

View the recording of our July 21 webinar to hear two seasoned, knowledgeable UL experts discuss how lightning protection systems shield structures from damage.

[Kenswing]

The proud owner of a new whole house surge protector.

[retiredguy123]

As you mentioned, typically on a house already built, the system goes on the roof. In reality the cables could be run inside the attic on an already built home but it would be very complex and expensive which is why it not generally done.
Does The Villages allow a private contractor to install a system during construction?

[jrref]

Thank you! This helps a lot. I have heard elsewhere that A1 isn’t replying to their online form recently. Probably because they’re slammed with inquiries.

They are and you will now find Triangle’s pricing very close to A1 and both companies install to UL specs so the install will basically the same. The problem is there are only a couple of certified Lightning Protection installers that work in The Villages so now that a lot of people are considering getting systems these companies are totally overwhelmed, but I think Triangle has several crews so I’m sure they’re still better available dates. When you talk to Triangle, it’s really important to describe if you have pools birdcage approximate size of all this extra stuff to get the best possible price. In some cases, people have a very small birdcage over a very small pool so the pricing is different than somebody with a large bird cage and a large pool
The same thing happening with whole house surge protection. Lenhart had this special running an a ton of people ordered they eaten ultra surge protector so they’ve been overwhelmed as well.

[RedChariot]

The proud owner of a new whole house surge protector.

Who did you choose to install? Are you willing to share the cost?

[jrref]

Who did you choose to install? Are you willing to share the cost?

Lenhart electric has the best price for the Eaton Ultra. If you mention this thread they will give you a discount. Unfortunately, the special deal they were offering has ended.

[Kenswing]

Who did you choose to install? Are you willing to share the cost?

We went with Pike’s Electric. It was $545 minus a few bucks for mentioning TOTV. I understand Lenhart may have been a little cheaper. And Lenhart has actually done work at our house as a subcontractor to the guys doing our motorized screens. They do a good job. But Pike’s wired our house. They also did a superb job installing power for our hot tub after we moved in. It pretty much came down to who we were more comfortable with. I’ve dealt with Casandra in Pike’s front office before and she is a joy to work with. Each and every technician they have sent has been friendly. Didn’t mind if I asked questions and left everything meticulously clean when they left.

[countrycomfort1]

How do you drive a ground rod 20-30 ft?

[jrref]

How do you drive a ground rod 20-30 ft?

The rods are 10 ft each, connected by a special connector and hammered into the ground.

[Altavia]

How do you drive a ground rod 20-30 ft?

Hammer drill/impact tool.

[Altavia]

Does The Villages allow a private contractor to install a system during construction?

Not when I built 5 years ago.

I don't think they permit anyone private to work on the house before closing.

[Altavia]

Report of a lightning strike on a transmission line in Coleman by
Nana2Teddy.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/2361719-post28.html

I don’t know where your villa is located, but last week down south of 44 many homes in some villages were affected by a lightning strike on a transmission line in Coleman, that caused a “blink”, which tripped random breakers in our panels. We had 8-10 breakers tripped, as did many villagers here in DeLuna, plus there were some in Richmond and likely other villages down here.

We had to call SECO the next day to ask what happened because there was zero communication from them about it.

Not likely your issue, but thought I’d mention in just in case.

[BobnBev]

I’m an xcaligirl too. I saw very brief lightning maybe 3x ever in my whole life as a native Southern Californian, so these storms here are terrifying to me. Will likely get the LPS.

A-1 is currently booking in April.:bigbow: