The Daily Sun Hottest Day Ever Article Leaves Me Cold

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The July 25 Daily Sun said, "Monday Breaks the Record for the Hottest ever Day on Earth" - from an AP article. There are two reasons why the article falls short. First, that article fails to mention the unprecedented Tonga volcano, which injected unprecedented amounts of water vapor (earth's strongest greenhouse gas) into the stratosphere - where it is causing today's unprecedented global warming spike (see image). Second, that article fails to mention the multi-national EEMIAN ice core drilling project, which after extensive peer-reviewed analyses, shows that Earth was about 14 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than today as compared to the prior Interglacial Warm Period ... Greenland ice cores reveal warm climate of the past – Niels Bohr Institute - University of Copenhagen (https://nbi.ku.dk/english/news/news13/greenland-ice-cores-reveal-warm-climate-of-the-past/) ... Details will be presented during the Aug 15 Weather Club meeting.

[Taltarzac725]

What makes little sense to me is the assertion that this is just thousand or ten thousand year climate patterns while we now in 2024 suffer all kinds of weather calamities. Why not now in 2024 try to do something about the weather in the next ten to thirty years rather than waiting for Mother Nature to correct herself in ten thousand years?

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What makes little sense to me is the assertion that this is just thousand or ten thousand year climate patterns while we now in 2024 suffer all kinds of weather calamities. Why not now in 2024 try to do something about the weather in the next ten to thirty years rather than waiting for Mother Nature to correct herself in ten thousand years?

We can't change the climate, no less the weather. We've spent many years and millions of dollars trying to weaken hurricanes - with no results. Same goes for hail and rain ... which some say there are results - but there's no proof - just claims. Plus ... there's nothing for Mother Nature to correct, because there's no climate emergency.

[Taltarzac725]

We can't change the climate, no less the weather. We've spent many years and millions of dollars trying to weaken hurricanes - with no results. Same goes for hail and rain ... which some say there are results - but there's no proof - just claims. Plus ... there's nothing for Mother Nature to correct, because there's no climate emergency.

Houston, we have had a problem.

[kansasr]

What makes little sense to me is the assertion that this is just thousand or ten thousand year climate patterns while we now in 2024 suffer all kinds of weather calamities. Why not now in 2024 try to do something about the weather in the next ten to thirty years rather than waiting for Mother Nature to correct herself in ten thousand years?

I'm sure your grandchildren are going to enjoy living in Thunderdome.

[Taltarzac725]

I'm sure your grandchildren are going to enjoy living in Thunderdome.

More like on floating cities on the ocean.

[Pugchief]

Houston, we have had a problem.

We sure do. The problem is that the media and globalists are trying to brainwash people into believing that climate models can actually predict the future of climate and its impact on the planet.

Joke/Irony:
Q: Why does China not care about "Climate Change"?
A: Because they already have Communism.

[Taltarzac725]

We sure do. The problem is that the media and globalists are trying to brainwash people into believing that climate models can actually predict the future of climate and its impact on the planet.

Joke/Irony:
Q: Why does China not care about "Climate Change"?
A: Because they already have Communism.

How about most scientists agreeing about global warming and the cult of deniers just ignoring facts in favor of fantasy that the problem will just go away in 50,000 years.

[Pugchief]

How about most scientists agreeing about global warming and the cult of deniers just ignoring facts in favor of fantasy that the problem will just go away in 50,000 years.

How about "most scientists" losing their funding if they don't toe the climate crisis line? It's hard to be objective when your career continuation requires you to produce results that fit a specific narrative. And regardless, climate models are not predictive. "Most scientists" simply create thousands of models and then discard the ones that don't produce the results they need to keep their job.

Didn't we learn anything during the last 4 years? Trust the science! Trust the media! Trust the government!

[Pugchief]

Q: Why does China not care about "Climate Change"?
A: Because they already have Communism.

UN Chief Appeals For Governments To Take Away Freedoms To Solve ‘Climate Change’ (https://www.climatechangenews.com/2024/07/25/un-chief-appeals-for-global-action-to-tackle-deadly-extreme-heat/)

[Bogie Shooter]

How about "most scientists" losing their funding if they don't toe the climate crisis line? It's hard to be objective when your career continuation requires you to produce results that fit a specific narrative. And regardless, climate models are not predictive. "Most scientists" simply create thousands of models and then discard the ones that don't produce the results they need to keep their job.

Didn't we learn anything during the last 4 years? Trust the science! Trust the media! Trust the government!
Why are the last 4 years special?

[Stu from NYC]

UN Chief Appeals For Governments To Take Away Freedoms To Solve ‘Climate Change’ (https://www.climatechangenews.com/2024/07/25/un-chief-appeals-for-global-action-to-tackle-deadly-extreme-heat/)

Given the un's track record take anything they say with a huge grain of salt.

[spd2918]

while we now in 2024 suffer all kinds of weather calamities

We suffer from mass media hysteria.

[JMintzer]

How about "most scientists" losing their funding if they don't toe the climate crisis line? It's hard to be objective when your career continuation requires you to produce results that fit a specific narrative. And regardless, climate models are not predictive. "Most scientists" simply create thousands of models and then discard the ones that don't produce the results they need to keep their job.

Didn't we learn anything during the last 4 years? Trust the science! Trust the media! Trust the government!

Not to mention, that the "97% of scientists" claim is horse hockey.

That number came from a study that reviewed papers that simply "mentioned" man made climate change in their paper. Not a study that those scientists agreed with the findings...

[JMintzer]

How about most scientists agreeing about global warming and the cult of deniers just ignoring facts in favor of fantasy that the problem will just go away in 50,000 years.

Maybe we should take a poll.

Which "Climate Change Movie" is your favorite?

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Not to mention, that the "97% of scientists" claim is horse hockey.

That number came from a study that reviewed papers that simply "mentioned" man made climate change in their paper. Not a study that those scientists agreed with the findings...

JM is correct. References to the 97% number is no different than a reference to consensus; but even Einstein had his fill of that trickery with his famous quote ... "Genius abhors consensus because when consensus is reached, thinking stops."

[tophcfa]

What other profession can you be consistently wrong at, and keep your job, besides being a weather person or an ER doctor at the former Villages Hospital?

[Taltarzac725]

What other profession can you be consistently wrong at, and keep your job, besides being a weather person or an ER doctor at the former Villages Hospital?

I read a number of journal articles on the physics of predicting weather back in the early 1980s. There were many variables involved. Easier now with super computers but still a lot is unknown especially relating to ancient weather patterns. There is little to go on.

And global warming puts a new spin on many weather patterns.

[Two Bills]

My arthritis is a better predictor of the weather than our weather forecasters.

[golfing eagles]

Global warming deniers are hardly thinkers. Usually followers of whatever BS is on Fox News.

Really? In reality, they are they only thinkers---rejecting the brainwashing agenda of the powers that be and refusing to fall into line like the sheeple who have descended from the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz.

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Global warming deniers are hardly thinkers. Usually followers of whatever BS is on Fox News.

Thinking is fun, but data is better -- there is no data proving CO2 harms our climate.

[crash]

What makes little sense to me is the assertion that this is just thousand or ten thousand year climate patterns while we now in 2024 suffer all kinds of weather calamities. Why not now in 2024 try to do something about the weather in the next ten to thirty years rather than waiting for Mother Nature to correct herself in ten thousand years?

Unless I am mistaken there was no one around when the earth was 14 degrees hotter to record the temperature is that a coincidence. The article was speaking on recorded human history and it was the hottest in that time frame.

We have no control over the Tonga volcano or sun spots amongst many issues but we can mitigate co2 emissions. If we wait until the deniers are convinced they are wrong it will be too late. Sort of reminds me of the people in intensive care with Covid saying it is real I wish I had got the vaccine.

[crash]

Really? In reality, they are they only thinkers---rejecting the brainwashing agenda of the powers that be and refusing to fall into line like the sheeple who have descended from the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz.
They fall into the earth is flat camp people still believe that also but at least it won’t kill them.

[GizmoWhiskers]

We can't change the climate, no less the weather. We've spent many years and millions of dollars trying to weaken hurricanes - with no results. Same goes for hail and rain ... which some say there are results - but there's no proof - just claims. Plus ... there's nothing for Mother Nature to correct, because there's no climate emergency.
Half correct. They can and are changing the weather. They can and are "dimming the sun" which is having negative impact on the temperature of the earth as well as creating massive changes weather conditions. They are creating new terminology to convince the world the new weather conditions are normal.

One year ago this mandate was created to report on the progress and outcomes of years of weather engineering that is promoting artificial climate change YET, at initial review of its objective attempts to say it is not occuring. This mandate calls for international support as well.

Click link at bottom of site. Download the pdf mandate and go to page 14 to see exactly what they are doing. This is a direct link to the Whitehouse .gov site. At least 9 companies are currently participating in weather engineering.

The flood in Dubai was caused by cloud seeding. They are now growing grass in the deserts. CA recently had floods because of cloud seeding. HAARP is creating weather patterns. "Heat" domes are our newest oddities. The list grows everyday.


Congressionally-Mandated Report on Solar Radiation Modification | OSTP | The White House (https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2023/06/30/congressionally-mandated-report-on-solar-radiation-modification/)

[golfing eagles]

Unless I am mistaken there was no one around when the earth was 14 degrees hotter to record the temperature is that a coincidence. The article was speaking on recorded human history and it was the hottest in that time frame.

We have no control over the Tonga volcano or sun spots amongst many issues but we can mitigate co2 emissions. If we wait until the deniers are convinced they are wrong it will be too late. Sort of reminds me of the people in intensive care with Covid saying it is real I wish I had got the vaccine.

We can, at a Paris accord total of $168 TRILLION. And if we can accomplish that goal, we have done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to very little to "combat" climate change. CO2 is NOT the problem. I think everyone was indoctrinating into thinking that Venus is hot because of clouds of CO2. That's not the story there, and it certainly is not true here. Yet, if I was in a position to grab some percentage of that $168 TRILLION, I'd be sure to coerce climatologists into stating "global warming" is manmade and imminent----easy, since most either work for the government or universities. I'd be sure to make the media complicit in spreading one of the biggest lies and scams ever perpetrated on the public---just tune into local weather and watch them tout "triple digit heat indices"----news flash---the heat index is ALWAYS triple digit in Florida in the summer. And I'd be sure to donate to the "correct" politicians so I could control them. Who was it that coined the term "useful idiots"????

[golfing eagles]

They fall into the earth is flat camp people still believe that also but at least it won’t kill them.

You are correct. Those who are gullible enough to believe these self-appointed climate change gurus probably believe the Earth is flat as well, while waiting for Santa Claus to slide down the chimney

[sounding]

Unless I am mistaken there was no one around when the earth was 14 degrees hotter to record the temperature is that a coincidence. The article was speaking on recorded human history and it was the hottest in that time frame.

We have no control over the Tonga volcano or sun spots amongst many issues but we can mitigate co2 emissions. If we wait until the deniers are convinced they are wrong it will be too late. Sort of reminds me of the people in intensive care with Covid saying it is real I wish I had got the vaccine.

Mitigating CO2 is anti-life, because CO2 is plant food ... less CO2 = less life. More importantly, no one has any proof CO2 harms our climate.

[Bay Kid]

We can't change the climate, no less the weather. We've spent many years and millions of dollars trying to weaken hurricanes - with no results. Same goes for hail and rain ... which some say there are results - but there's no proof - just claims. Plus ... there's nothing for Mother Nature to correct, because there's no climate emergency.

There is only 1 person that can change the climate and it doesn't cost a penny.

[lwmilo]

What makes little sense to me is the assertion that this is just thousand or ten thousand year climate patterns while we now in 2024 suffer all kinds of weather calamities. Why not now in 2024 try to do something about the weather in the next ten to thirty years rather than waiting for Mother Nature to correct herself in ten thousand years?

What do you suggest??? Offer an opinion.

[LeRoySmith]

Who was it that coined the term "useful idiots"????

The owner of TOTV.

[defrey12]

How about most scientists agreeing about global warming and the cult of deniers just ignoring facts in favor of fantasy that the problem will just go away in 50,000 years.

Pardon me? We don’t ignore the scientific community. Just the ones PAID by the government to promote its agenda. The science does not deny warming…they just agree that humans didn’t cause it. And that we can do nothing to stop it. It is the natural process of our planet. It warms, then cools. It’s cyclical. We, in 2024, just happen to be alive during a warming period…over which we have ZERO control. It’s pure hubris to think otherwise.

[LeRoySmith]

Which "Climate Change Movie" is your favorite?

The lorax, I thought it was just another harmless Dr Seuss book/movie but it turns out it's an indoctrination tool for the alarmist to use on kids. My kids were singing the songs and dancing around when I finally listened to some of the lyrics, it's a subliminal scare tactic.

[ThirdOfFive]

"Monday Breaks the Record for the Hottest ever Day on Earth"

I gotta be honest here. I read the article and gave it due thought, but what bothers me is that...can we really believe those Neanderthal weather statistics?

[ThirdOfFive]

Maybe we should take a poll.

Which "Climate Change Movie" is your favorite?
That's easy. Waterworld.

But only because I like looking at a naked Jeanne Tripplehorn.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Yes we do. People who believe that we can change the weather.

[Birdrm]

UN Chief Appeals For Governments To Take Away Freedoms To Solve ‘Climate Change’ (https://www.climatechangenews.com/2024/07/25/un-chief-appeals-for-global-action-to-tackle-deadly-extreme-heat/)

I am confused with the global message from group like the UN and WEF, they are asking for decreases in fossil fuels because the increased heat is killing our population. But, they also say the long range goal for the world is to reduce the overall population. These 2 ideas conflict so not sure exactly what they really want?

[golfing eagles]

I am confused with the global message from group like the UN and WEF, they are asking for decreases in fossil fuels because the increased heat is killing our population. But, they also say the long range goal for the world is to reduce the overall population. These 2 ideas conflict so not sure exactly what they really want?

Not really----the UN wants to reduce the population of those that think, work, and produce and have assets. The heat they refer to as "killing" mainly affects the poor, migrants, and refugees---exactly the population that the UN can control. But I do believe the reference to reducing the world population is not a tenet of the UN, but rather the Bilderberg Group and carved on the Georgia Guidestones.

[Regorp]

I'm sure your grandchildren are going to enjoy living in Thunderdome.

The return of Atlantis!! Hail Atlantis!!

[GPGuar]

Ha, ha… like what??!!

[HORNET]

Again, don’t believe medias

[HORNET]

Money makers for some

[dougawhite]

JM is correct. References to the 97% number is no different than a reference to consensus; but even Einstein had his fill of that trickery with his famous quote ... "Genius abhors consensus because when consensus is reached, thinking stops."

97%, or more, of scientists agreed Pluto was a planet. Until 'they' changed the definition. Same happens with climate and hurricanes, just change the definitions and get calamity.

[golfing eagles]

97%, or more, of scientists agreed Pluto was a planet. Until 'they' changed the definition. Same happens with climate and hurricanes, just change the definitions and get calamity.

But the difference was nobody's livelihood depended on whether they thought Pluto was or was not a planet. But to promote the scientific truth of paleoclimatology and denounce the hoax of global warming is professional suicide. Anyone who doesn't believe that I will challenge to do the following: Get a degree in climatology and a job at a university. Then apply for a research grant to pursue your premise that global warming has nothing to do with human activity. See how much you get, see if you get tenure, and see if your papers are published. Rotsa ruck.

[CODYCAT]

The July 25 Daily Sun said, "Monday Breaks the Record for the Hottest ever Day on Earth" - from an AP article. There are two reasons why the article falls short. First, that article fails to mention the unprecedented Tonga volcano, which injected unprecedented amounts of water vapor (earth's strongest greenhouse gas) into the stratosphere - where it is causing today's unprecedented global warming spike (see image). Second, that article fails to mention the multi-national EEMIAN ice core drilling project, which after extensive peer-reviewed analyses, shows that Earth was about 14 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than today as compared to the prior Interglacial Warm Period ... Greenland ice cores reveal warm climate of the past – Niels Bohr Institute - University of Copenhagen (https://nbi.ku.dk/english/news/news13/greenland-ice-cores-reveal-warm-climate-of-the-past/) ... Details will be presented during the Aug 15 Weather Club meeting.

I really find it interesting that if you look at climate change predictions over the last 50 years or so none of them have come true. The one thing that seems consistent is that the people involved in these are making a fortune. A few years back, just being curious, I contacted a number of groups involved in saving the planet and mankind. I was shocked that everyone gave me the same response to the question “what can the average person do to help the problem ?” Every organization said, give them money for their projects and to call your politicians and yell at them to support climate change. I think this raises more questions than it gives answers.

[nn0wheremann]

Houston, we have had a problem.
Houston has some real problems, for sure.

[Taltarzac725]

Houston has some real problems, for sure.

Probably contributed to some extent by the warming of the oceans and the atmosphere more than likely caused by global warming.

And what do we do about it?

Get away from a gas and coal controlled economy which we have been doing.

[golfing eagles]

Probably contributed to some extent by the warming of the oceans and the atmosphere more than likely caused by global warming.

And what do we do about it. Get away from a gas and coal controlled economy which we have been doing.

Which will accomplish next to nothing in terms of global warming. But it might give us somewhat cleaner air---especially in Beijing---but wait, they will never comply:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[sounding]

Probably contributed to some extent by the warming of the oceans and the atmosphere more than likely caused by global warming.

And what do we do about it?

Get away from a gas and coal controlled economy which we have been doing.

Leaders lead by example and not one leader lives off-grid -- because it's dumb. Fossil energies created our modern civilization - including modern communications and medicine which allows climate alarmists to echo more baseless narratives 24/7/365 via the Internet. Bottom line -- no one , NO ONE here or anywhere, has ever given any proof CO2 harms our climates.

[DeborahK]

Wasn't that Waterworld?

[jimjamuser]

What makes little sense to me is the assertion that this is just thousand or ten thousand year climate patterns while we now in 2024 suffer all kinds of weather calamities. Why not now in 2024 try to do something about the weather in the next ten to thirty years rather than waiting for Mother Nature to correct herself in ten thousand years?
What people need to do today in the 1st world countries is to prevent increased population from coming from 3rd world countries. Also, buying E-vehicles instead of ICE vehicles will help keep the upper atmosphere from forming a layer that is able to reflect HEAT back to the earth. Combating climate change is unfortunately not on most people's "to do list". The problem is that these record days of summer HEAT will continue AND INCREASE each year worldwide when these prevention steps are NOT taken !

[jimjamuser]

We can't change the climate, no less the weather. We've spent many years and millions of dollars trying to weaken hurricanes - with no results. Same goes for hail and rain ... which some say there are results - but there's no proof - just claims. Plus ... there's nothing for Mother Nature to correct, because there's no climate emergency.
Oh contrare. We have a BIG problem, a MAN-MADE problem.The last 15 years have been the HOTTEST worldwide since records have been kept. And each year gets hotter. Look at a graph of world population and you will see that it rises greatly in the last 15 years. There is no coincidence that world population increase is DIRECTLY responsible for the world HEAT increase in the last 15 years.
The causing link between these 2 factors is basically CO2 POLLUTION - mainly from Chinese coal factories, US factories, and the factor of the internal combustion engine - which is the easiest factor for caring CITIZENS in the US to DO SOMETHING about - by purchasing MORE e-VEHICLES. Unfortunately in the US E-vehicle purchase is decreasing.

[sounding]

What people need to do today in the 1st world countries is to prevent increased population from coming from 3rd world countries. Also, buying E-vehicles instead of ICE vehicles will help keep the upper atmosphere from forming a layer that is able to reflect HEAT back to the earth. Combating climate change is unfortunately not on most people's "to do list". The problem is that these record days of summer HEAT will continue AND INCREASE each year worldwide when these prevention steps are NOT taken !

So tell me anyone ... how much did man-made CO2 warm the earth last year? Guess why the media won't report it annually.

[sounding]

What people need to do today in the 1st world countries is to prevent increased population from coming from 3rd world countries. Also, buying E-vehicles instead of ICE vehicles will help keep the upper atmosphere from forming a layer that is able to reflect HEAT back to the earth. Combating climate change is unfortunately not on most people's "to do list". The problem is that these record days of summer HEAT will continue AND INCREASE each year worldwide when these prevention steps are NOT taken !

People don't understand today's unprecedented heat spike because the media refuse to tell you. It's not CO2, not El Nino, or anything other than Tonga's unprecedented water vapor injection into the Stratosphere. The problem is indeed human -- it's human indoctrination of the belief in the narrative versus the data -- because there is no data proving CO2 harms our climate.

[jimjamuser]

Mitigating CO2 is anti-life, because CO2 is plant food ... less CO2 = less life. More importantly, no one has any proof CO2 harms our climate.
It is common scientific knowledge that excess CO2 in the recent 15 years has caused the problems of Coral reef bleaching, glacier melting, ocean rise, and species destruction. Recently, it was 130 degrees F (absolute, not counting humidity and other factors) in Death Valley, USA , which was also a world record. Heat DEATHS in the US in many cities are setting all-time records. Miami Fl. and other east coast low-lying cities are preparing disaster plans to relocate population as the oceans rise for the next 50 years.
The UN is worried about HEAT deaths happening worldwide for the foreseeable future. Apparently the US news services are ignoring these problems, but they will hit everyone in the face, like it or not, in the near future.
People in India are experiencing greater HEAT deaths this summer. Also, I would NOT be surprised if many athletes at the summer Olympics experience more HEAT problems than usual. Basically, each year the Earth gets warmer. It can't be denied.

[golfing eagles]

It is common scientific knowledge that excess CO2 he in the recent 15 years has caused the problems of Coral reef bleaching, glacier melting, ocean rise, and species destruction. Recently, it was 130 degrees F (absolute, not counting humidity and other factors) in Death Valley, USA , which was also a world record. Heat DEATHS in the US in many cities are setting all-time records. Miami Fl. and other east coast low-lying cities are preparing disaster plans to relocate population as the oceans rise for the next 50 years.
The UN is worried about HEAT deaths happening worldwide for the foreseeable future. Apparently the US news services are ignoring these problems, but they will hit everyone in the face, like it or not, in the near future.
People in India are experiencing greater HEAT deaths this summer. Also, I would NOT be surprised if many athletes at the summer Olympics experience more HEAT problems than usual. Basically, each year the Earth gets warmer. It can't be denied.

I couldn’t care less about anything that the UN promotes. We should kick them out of NY and stop funding them

[jimjamuser]

Pardon me? We don’t ignore the scientific community. Just the ones PAID by the government to promote its agenda. The science does not deny warming…they just agree that humans didn’t cause it. And that we can do nothing to stop it. It is the natural process of our planet. It warms, then cools. It’s cyclical. We, in 2024, just happen to be alive during a warming period…over which we have ZERO control. It’s pure hubris to think otherwise.
Scientists get paid to push knowledge forward. They try out ideas and then write scientific papers in Scientific Journals, which then get read by fellow Scientists that write peer reviews. The whole scientific system leads to newer and better science. Science is always improving. They don't get paid for "making things up".

[golfing eagles]

Scientists get paid to push knowledge forward. They try out ideas and then write scientific papers in Scientific Journals, which then get read by fellow Scientists that write peer reviews. The whole scientific system leads to newer and better science. Science is always improving. They don't get paid for "making things up".

I think it’s pretty obvious that they do sometimes

[MorTech]

Humidity holds 150X more heat than CO2 gas and CO2 makes up a tiny 0.04% of the lower atmosphere. You really have to be absolutely unthinking/television watching to think CO2 can change Earth climate.

[golfing eagles]

Humidity holds 150X more heat than CO2 gas and CO2 makes up a tiny 0.04% of the lower atmosphere. You really have to be absolutely unthinking/television watching to think CO2 can change Earth climate.

Please don’t confuse the gullible, the true believers and the fully indoctrinated with the facts

[Pugchief]

I couldn’t care less about anything that the UN promotes. We should kick them out of NY and stop funding them

Agree. Another organization unworthy of trust at any level.

[Pugchief]

Scientists get paid to push knowledge forward. They try out ideas and then write scientific papers in Scientific Journals, which then get read by fellow Scientists that write peer reviews. The whole scientific system leads to newer and better science. Science is always improving. They don't get paid for "making things up".

/// Nevermind, not worth it.

[Kenswing]

The same people arguing about the same thing. Wouldn’t it just be easier to reread one of the threads you already did this in? :1rotfl:

[jimjamuser]

I am confused with the global message from group like the UN and WEF, they are asking for decreases in fossil fuels because the increased heat is killing our population. But, they also say the long range goal for the world is to reduce the overall population. These 2 ideas conflict so not sure exactly what they really want?
If you look at a graph of WORLD population, it will show a GREAT increase in the last 15 years. That is the KEY to understanding the problem. Obviously, more people need to burn more coal and gasoline - for cars and trucks and factories, and aircraft and etc. The EARTH had reached its capacity about 15 years ago to store the CO2 byproducts of BURNING coal and gasoline. The result was that the world environment has deteriorated in the form of excess HEAT.

[golfing eagles]

If you look at a graph of WORLD population, it will show a GREAT increase in the last 15 years. That is the KEY to understanding the problem. Obviously, more people need to burn more coal and gasoline - for cars and trucks and factories, and aircraft and etc. The EARTH had reached its capacity about 15 years ago to store the CO2 byproducts of BURNING coal and gasoline. The result was that the world environment has deteriorated in the form of excess HEAT.

How many times does it have to be repeated before some people finally get it???

CO2 IS NOT THE PROBLEM

[Number 10 GI]

When they claim it is the hottest temperature ever on the planet, they lost all credibility because it is a complete and intentional lie. We only have temperature data for a hundred years or so.

[golfing eagles]

When they claim it is the hottest temperature ever on the planet, they lost all credibility because it is a complete and intentional lie. We only have temperature data for a hundred years or so.

Absolutely! Perhaps they'd have a better claim if they knew the temperature in 1564, or 966, or 26,987 BC. It's a classic case of not seeing the forest for the trees.

[JMintzer]

That's easy. Waterworld.

But only because I like looking at a naked Jeanne Tripplehorn.

Hard to argue that point...

[JMintzer]

What people need to do today in the 1st world countries is to prevent increased population from coming from 3rd world countries. Also, buying E-vehicles instead of ICE vehicles will help keep the upper atmosphere from forming a layer that is able to reflect HEAT back to the earth. Combating climate change is unfortunately not on most people's "to do list". The problem is that these record days of summer HEAT will continue AND INCREASE each year worldwide when these prevention steps are NOT taken !

Oh contrare. We have a BIG problem, a MAN-MADE problem.The last 15 years have been the HOTTEST worldwide since records have been kept. And each year gets hotter. Look at a graph of world population and you will see that it rises greatly in the last 15 years. There is no coincidence that world population increase is DIRECTLY responsible for the world HEAT increase in the last 15 years.
The causing link between these 2 factors is basically CO2 POLLUTION - mainly from Chinese coal factories, US factories, and the factor of the internal combustion engine - which is the easiest factor for caring CITIZENS in the US to DO SOMETHING about - by purchasing MORE e-VEHICLES. Unfortunately in the US E-vehicle purchase is decreasing.

And... He's Back!

[Altavia]

The same people arguing about the same thing. Wouldn’t it just be easier to reread one of the threads you already did this in? :1rotfl:

I'm sure 0.00 opinions has been changed by this thread :1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

And... He's Back!

And like the Terminator, some people will never stop, ever, until their argument is dead. ( which it is, only they don’t know it yet)😂😂😂

[Topspinmo]

What makes little sense to me is the assertion that this is just thousand or ten thousand year climate patterns while we now in 2024 suffer all kinds of weather calamities. Why not now in 2024 try to do something about the weather in the next ten to thirty years rather than waiting for Mother Nature to correct herself in ten thousand years?


Can do something, donate, money always fixes things for somebody. If all climate alarmists would donate the problem could be fixed……sure can :)

[Topspinmo]

If you look at a graph of WORLD population, it will show a GREAT increase in the last 15 years. That is the KEY to understanding the problem. Obviously, more people need to burn more coal and gasoline - for cars and trucks and factories, and aircraft and etc. The EARTH had reached its capacity about 15 years ago to store the CO2 byproducts of BURNING coal and gasoline. The result was that the world environment has deteriorated in the form of excess HEAT.

So do your part, stop driving gas cars, stop using electricity. Stop using plastic, stop using paper, and last move to middle of Congo and live in grass hut. O and last donate all your money to climate change. Talk the talk now walk the walk. :cryin2:

[Topspinmo]

I'm sure your grandchildren are going to enjoy living in Thunderdome.


Grand children times 4000 plus generations? :highfive:

[ThirdOfFive]

It is common scientific knowledge that excess CO2 in the recent 15 years has caused the problems of Coral reef bleaching, glacier melting, ocean rise, and species destruction. Recently, it was 130 degrees F (absolute, not counting humidity and other factors) in Death Valley, USA , which was also a world record. Heat DEATHS in the US in many cities are setting all-time records. Miami Fl. and other east coast low-lying cities are preparing disaster plans to relocate population as the oceans rise for the next 50 years.
The UN is worried about HEAT deaths happening worldwide for the foreseeable future. Apparently the US news services are ignoring these problems, but they will hit everyone in the face, like it or not, in the near future.
People in India are experiencing greater HEAT deaths this summer. Also, I would NOT be surprised if many athletes at the summer Olympics experience more HEAT problems than usual. Basically, each year the Earth gets warmer. It can't be denied.
Actually the record high temp. in Death Valley was 134 degrees on July 10, 1913.

"world’s record highest temperature of 134 degrees marked at Greenland Ranch in Death Valley on July 10, 1913, according to the National Weather Service office in Las Vegas." nbc news dot com).

Death Valley temp. also hit 130 in 2020 and 2021.

[sounding]

It is common scientific knowledge that excess CO2 in the recent 15 years has caused the problems of Coral reef bleaching, glacier melting, ocean rise, and species destruction. Recently, it was 130 degrees F (absolute, not counting humidity and other factors) in Death Valley, USA , which was also a world record. Heat DEATHS in the US in many cities are setting all-time records. Miami Fl. and other east coast low-lying cities are preparing disaster plans to relocate population as the oceans rise for the next 50 years.
The UN is worried about HEAT deaths happening worldwide for the foreseeable future. Apparently the US news services are ignoring these problems, but they will hit everyone in the face, like it or not, in the near future.
People in India are experiencing greater HEAT deaths this summer. Also, I would NOT be surprised if many athletes at the summer Olympics experience more HEAT problems than usual. Basically, each year the Earth gets warmer. It can't be denied.

The UN is a joke when it comes to climate. They say heat is the new normal, which is actually good since it's still too cold to grow the crops that Vikings grew on Greenland. Plus, scientists who actually study data (like Nobel Prize winner John Clauser) know the UN's IPCC is part of the climate joke about man-made CO2 causing climate problems.

Regarding this year's heat, the media is dumbing down the public, because they still refuse to acknowledge how the unprecedented Tonga volcano is causing unprecedented global warming. This will be explained in heated detail at the Aug 15 Weather Club meeting at 1:30 at Laurel Manor. This will be a hot talk - dress light.

[MorTech]

The "Greens" don't even realize that CO2 is plant food that makes plants green. Can they be more laughable?

Your grandchildren will be living in poverty - eating plants and bug and anti-depressants thanks to their climate hoax.

[Kelevision]

We can't change the climate, no less the weather. We've spent many years and millions of dollars trying to weaken hurricanes - with no results. Same goes for hail and rain ... which some say there are results - but there's no proof - just claims. Plus ... there's nothing for Mother Nature to correct, because there's no climate emergency.

Though this warming trend has been going on for a long time, its pace has significantly increased in the last hundred years due to the burning of fossil fuels. As the human population has increased, so has the volume of fossil fuels burned. It’s ignorant to believe humans aren’t contributing to the climate changing. We do all we can to destroy everything on the planet that isn’t human and wonder why things don’t work properly anymore.

[crash]

Pardon me? We don’t ignore the scientific community. Just the ones PAID by the government to promote its agenda. The science does not deny warming…they just agree that humans didn’t cause it. And that we can do nothing to stop it. It is the natural process of our planet. It warms, then cools. It’s cyclical. We, in 2024, just happen to be alive during a warming period…over which we have ZERO control. It’s pure hubris to think otherwise.

Wow I have found the problem 95% of all climate scientists are paid by the government.

[sounding]

Though this warming trend has been going on for a long time, its pace has significantly increased in the last hundred years due to the burning of fossil fuels. As the human population has increased, so has the volume of fossil fuels burned. It’s ignorant to believe humans aren’t contributing to the climate changing. We do all we can to destroy everything on the planet that isn’t human and wonder why things don’t work properly anymore.

Those who follow narratives THINK global warming speeding up, but those who follow data KNOW global warming is slowing down. Everyone who attends the Weather Club already knows this.

[golfing eagles]

Those who follow narratives THINK global warming speeding up, but those who follow data KNOW global warming is slowing down. Everyone who attends the Weather Club already knows this.

There you go again----confusing the gullible, the true believers and the fully indoctrinated with the facts

[sounding]

There you go again----confusing the gullible, the true believers and the fully indoctrinated with the facts

Hey ... I'm just trying to save the planet. It's the weekend, so fire-up the BBQ to help alleviate our CO2 famine - even if it's for just one hot dog. Grill-baby-grill ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD89TW0sUBY

[defrey12]

but the difference was nobody's livelihood depended on whether they thought pluto was or was not a planet. But to promote the scientific truth of paleoclimatology and denounce the hoax of global warming is professional suicide. Anyone who doesn't believe that i will challenge to do the following: Get a degree in climatology and a job at a university. Then apply for a research grant to pursue your premise that global warming has nothing to do with human activity. See how much you get, see if you get tenure, and see if your papers are published. Rotsa ruck.

absolutely the truth!

[defrey12]

Leaders lead by example and not one leader lives off-grid -- because it's dumb. Fossil energies created our modern civilization - including modern communications and medicine which allows climate alarmists to echo more baseless narratives 24/7/365 via the Internet. Bottom line -- no one , NO ONE here or anywhere, has ever given any proof CO2 harms our climates.

And let’s not forget that all those trees that they so love REQUIRE CO2 to live!

[ThirdOfFive]

The "Greens" don't even realize that CO2 is plant food that makes plants green. Can they be more laughable?

Your grandchildren will be living in poverty - eating plants and bug and anti-depressants thanks to their climate hoax.
It has been obvious for some time now that there is an inverse correlation between knowledge and idealism (sometimes with a healthy dose of fear thrown in). The more idealistic one is about the "cause" du jour, the less likely he or she is to actually possess actual fundamental KNOWLEDGE about the subject. Climate change is but one such cause. There are innumerable others.

Seems to be getting worse, not better.

[defrey12]

What people need to do today in the 1st world countries is to prevent increased population from coming from 3rd world countries. Also, buying E-vehicles instead of ICE vehicles will help keep the upper atmosphere from forming a layer that is able to reflect HEAT back to the earth. Combating climate change is unfortunately not on most people's "to do list". The problem is that these record days of summer HEAT will continue AND INCREASE each year worldwide when these prevention steps are NOT taken !

Prove that theory, Einstein. You’re missing the point most are making here. We can’t control—or combat—our changing climate anymore than we could control the sun rising and setting. The changing climate has nothing to with us and to think otherwise is pure hubris. In the grand scheme of the universe and geologic time we are as insignificant as an ant…probably even less so.

[defrey12]

So tell me anyone ... how much did man-made CO2 warm the earth last year? Guess why the media won't report it annually.

👍👍👍

[defrey12]

It is common scientific knowledge that excess CO2 in the recent 15 years has caused the problems of Coral reef bleaching, glacier melting, ocean rise, and species destruction. Recently, it was 130 degrees F (absolute, not counting humidity and other factors) in Death Valley, USA , which was also a world record. Heat DEATHS in the US in many cities are setting all-time records. Miami Fl. and other east coast low-lying cities are preparing disaster plans to relocate population as the oceans rise for the next 50 years.
The UN is worried about HEAT deaths happening worldwide for the foreseeable future. Apparently the US news services are ignoring these problems, but they will hit everyone in the face, like it or not, in the near future.
People in India are experiencing greater HEAT deaths this summer. Also, I would NOT be surprised if many athletes at the summer Olympics experience more HEAT problems than usual. Basically, each year the Earth gets warmer. It can't be denied.

None of us are denying it. It’s just not happening for the reasons you believe.

[defrey12]

I couldn’t care less about anything that the UN promotes. We should kick them out of NY and stop funding them
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[defrey12]

Scientists get paid to push knowledge forward. They try out ideas and then write scientific papers in Scientific Journals, which then get read by fellow Scientists that write peer reviews. The whole scientific system leads to newer and better science. Science is always improving. They don't get paid for "making things up".

Ah…beg to differ. Government funded scientists do. Seen it.

[defrey12]

Please don’t confuse the gullible, the true believers and the fully indoctrinated with the facts
But the “fully indoctrinated” know their science, right? What a joke 😂😂😂. They don’t even know what specific heat means. Water has one of the highest. And what is in the sky? Clouds…hence water.

[crash]

When they claim it is the hottest temperature ever on the planet, they lost all credibility because it is a complete and intentional lie. We only have temperature data for a hundred years or so.
They claim it is the hottest day ever recorded so that is the hundred years or so. Man releases the co2 retained in decaying vegetation (oil) and destroys the vegetation that traps co2 so a double whammy.

[Ptmcbriz]

The graph on the original post says it all. It’s called a trend. Over decades the climate has been trending in a certain direction. Some years more, some years less, but steadily trending upwards. Now, does mankind want to slow the trend? Putting tons of garbage in the air on top of Mother Natures influences (volcanic activity etc). It certainly not going to help the trend that’s for sure. It’s like mankind has added several hundred volcanoes on the planet manufacturing additional garbage being put in the air plus Mother Nature. You either want to help her or hurt her with negative influence. Personally I think it’s a responsibility thing to not increase the trend by compounding it with more. It’s common sense to not want to make things worse.

[crash]

Prove that theory, Einstein. You’re missing the point most are making here. We can’t control—or combat—our changing climate anymore than we could control the sun rising and setting. The changing climate has nothing to with us and to think otherwise is pure hubris. In the grand scheme of the universe and geologic time we are as insignificant as an ant…probably even less so.

We don’t live in geological time. If there weren’t 8 billion humans cutting down all those trees that fix co2 and releasing the co2 that was fixed for millions of years by burning oil we would have 1 less variable in climate change.

[Taltarzac725]

We don’t live in geological time. If there weren’t 8 billion humans cutting down all those trees that fix co2 and releasing the co2 that was fixed for millions of years by burning oil we would have 1 less variable in climate change.


Well said. Otherwise it seems like --dig hole, insert head. The facts are all around.

[sounding]

The graph on the original post says it all. It’s called a trend. Over decades the climate has been trending in a certain direction. Some years more, some years less, but steadily trending upwards. Now, does mankind want to slow the trend? Putting tons of garbage in the air on top of Mother Natures influences (volcanic activity etc). It certainly not going to help the trend that’s for sure. It’s like mankind has added several hundred volcanoes on the planet manufacturing additional garbage being put in the air plus Mother Nature. You either want to help her or hurt her with negative influence. Personally I think it’s a responsibility thing to not increase the trend by compounding it with more. It’s common sense to not want to make things worse.

Both global warming and increasing CO2 benefit life on earth. Global cooling and decreasing CO2 harm life on earth. The paleo-historic record confirms both. Plus ... climates were warmer during the Medieval, Roman, and Minoan warm periods. We are headed for another climatic optimum. Learn more at the Weather Club.

[sounding]

They claim it is the hottest day ever recorded so that is the hundred years or so. Man releases the co2 retained in decaying vegetation (oil) and destroys the vegetation that traps co2 so a double whammy.

CO2 is plant food. All the major commercial greenhouses worldwide (who want to make profits) use CO2 enrichment to make plants grow bigger and faster. We are in a CO2 famine, let's fix this.

[ThirdOfFive]

This entire "debate" brings to mind a bunch of fleas proposing how to steer the dog.

[Pugchief]

Oh contrare. Look at a graph of world population and you will see that it rises greatly in the last 15 years. There is no coincidence that world population increase is DIRECTLY responsible for the world HEAT increase in the last 15 years.


Just wondering if you, or any of the other people claiming "Climate Change" is a problem are doing your part and telling your children NOT to give you grandchildren? If not, you're part of the problem. :1rotfl:

[sounding]

This entire "debate" brings to mind a bunch of fleas proposing how to steer the dog.

Dogs are a diversion from the main problem .... spending trillions on a non-problem. No one has ever proved CO2 harms our climate.

[Number 10 GI]

They claim it is the hottest day ever recorded so that is the hundred years or so. Man releases the co2 retained in decaying vegetation (oil) and destroys the vegetation that traps co2 so a double whammy.

It is ludicrous to think that 100 years of temperature data proves anything. 100 years, in the time the earth has existed, is absolutely useless in determining anything about climate change. There is only one reason the climate change charlatans use this small sample of temperature readings is to fool non-thinking people into believing it really means something. This small amount of temperature collecting would equate to less than a nano second of trading history in the stock market. Would you invest money in a stock with a short record like that?

[Taltarzac725]

It is ludicrous to think that 100 years of temperature data proves anything. 100 years, in the time the earth has existed, is absolutely useless in determining anything about climate change. There is only one reason the climate change charlatans use this small sample of temperature readings is to fool non-thinking people into believing it really means something. This small amount of temperature collecting would equate to less than a nano second of trading history in the stock market. Would you invest money in a stock with a short record like that?

Apples and oranges.

Just watching the Weather Channel regularly would convince any thinking person that global warming is very real and is now a constant in the production of hurricanes and typhoons. The weather has run amok.

[Pugchief]

Apples and oranges.

Just watching the Weather Channel regularly would convince any thinking person that global warming is very real and is now a constant in the production of hurricanes and typhoons. The weather has run amok.

So your personal observation of a weather app, over say the last 15 years means that Climate Crisis is real? LOL

[Pugchief]

Just wondering if you, or any of the other people claiming "Climate Change" is a problem are doing your part and telling your children NOT to give you grandchildren? If not, you're part of the problem. :1rotfl:

Man, these memes just write themselves....

[sounding]

Apples and oranges.

Just watching the Weather Channel regularly would convince any thinking person that global warming is very real and is now a constant in the production of hurricanes and typhoons. The weather has run amok.

Just watching the Weather Channel furthers climate alarmist indoctrination. Attached is just one example of how they mislead the public - by making wild claims without showing actual trend data. Learn about other junk-science examples at the Weather Club.

[LeRoySmith]

I'm curious if any of the folks that are sure we are killing the planet drive petrol vehicles, use power from a fossil fuel power plant, fly on a plane, procreate, consume meat, purchase anything from China or Mexico?

I'll just leave this here. One of the most green among us. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/0KUORlktdX

[Pugchief]

I'm curious if any of the folks that are sure we are killing the planet drive petrol vehicles, use power from a fossil fuel power plant, fly on a plane, procreate, consume meat, purchase anything from China or Mexico?

I'll just leave this here. One of the most green among us. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/0KUORlktdX

And that's on a PRIVATE jet, not even commercial. She is a HYPOCRITE, like the rest of them buying up beachfront property.

[DARFAP]

The July 25 Daily Sun said, "Monday Breaks the Record for the Hottest ever Day on Earth" - from an AP article. There are two reasons why the article falls short. First, that article fails to mention the unprecedented Tonga volcano, which injected unprecedented amounts of water vapor (earth's strongest greenhouse gas) into the stratosphere - where it is causing today's unprecedented global warming spike (see image). Second, that article fails to mention the multi-national EEMIAN ice core drilling project, which after extensive peer-reviewed analyses, shows that Earth was about 14 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than today as compared to the prior Interglacial Warm Period ... Greenland ice cores reveal warm climate of the past – Niels Bohr Institute - University of Copenhagen (https://nbi.ku.dk/english/news/news13/greenland-ice-cores-reveal-warm-climate-of-the-past/) ... Details will be presented during the Aug 15 Weather Club meeting.
Most articles in the DS fall short.

[CybrSage]

The first weather satellite was launched in the 1960s. It is dishonest to make any accurate claims about temps before then

[CybrSage]

Well said. Otherwise it seems like --dig hole, insert head. The facts are all around.

What percent of the increase is caused by humans and what is caused by the natural cycles we know would still be increasing the temp even if humans never existed?

The answer is vital to our response. If it is a scant 1%, then nothing we do matters. If it is 99%, then destroying lives and causing suffering is required by all nations. Even the ones the Paris Accords exempted, China and India, have to make huge changes

So how much is it? I have searched hard and found no answers other than morons saying100%, which is obviously a lie

[LeRoySmith]

And that's on a PRIVATE jet, not even commercial. She is a HYPOCRITE, like the rest of them buying up beachfront property.

She offsets all that burnt jet fuel with purchased carbon credits. I think she's worth about 1.1B so it probably doesn't hurt all that much to be green, or I should say pay someone else to do it for her.

I am strongly considering an electric car (toy) to use around here. I hope Elon really starts selling the little roadster next year. When he shot the one into space I knew I liked him and bought a bunch of stock, what a lucky buy.

[jimjamuser]

Humidity holds 150X more heat than CO2 gas and CO2 makes up a tiny 0.04% of the lower atmosphere. You really have to be absolutely unthinking/television watching to think CO2 can change Earth climate.
It does seem strange that .04% of CO2 in the atmosphere can have such a big effect on Global Warming, BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT IS JUST WHAT HAPPENS. Simply Google - CO2 makes up WHAT % of the atmosphere - and there is the answer. It is pretty complicated, so I will give just the little that I know......O2 and nitrogen make up 99% of the atmosphere, but they have ZERO effect on earth heating. CO2 and water vapor make up most of the remaining 1%. And they are capable of absorbing HEAT.

[jimjamuser]

Absolutely! Perhaps they'd have a better claim if they knew the temperature in 1564, or 966, or 26,987 BC. It's a classic case of not seeing the forest for the trees.
We have temperature data only back to 1850. But that does NOT matter because it is only the last 15 years that is meaningful because of the rapid increase for THAT period. Goggle world population from 1500 until today and notice the graph explodes upward around about 1950. Then google Global Temperature. It takes some time to find a graph with a recent horizontal axis, but if you take the time you will see about the same graph as the rapid increase in the recent 15 years.

[sounding]

It does seem strange that .04% of CO2 in the atmosphere can have such a big effect on Global Warming, BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT IS JUST WHAT HAPPENS. Simply Google - CO2 makes up WHAT % of the atmosphere - and there is the answer. It is pretty complicated, so I will give just the little that I know......O2 and nitrogen make up 99% of the atmosphere, but they have ZERO effect on earth heating. CO2 and water vapor make up most of the remaining 1%. And they are capable of absorbing HEAT.

"Big effect"? How big? Tell me ... how big (or how much) did man-made CO2 warm the earth last year?

[sounding]

Most articles in the DS fall short.

Talk about falling short ... look at how bad wind energy fails at serving it's customers in the UK -- only 2% service at this posting ... Wind power production as a percentage (https://gridwatch.co.uk/WIND/percent) ... EV owners won't be happy.

[jimjamuser]

The "Greens" don't even realize that CO2 is plant food that makes plants green. Can they be more laughable?

Your grandchildren will be living in poverty - eating plants and bug and anti-depressants thanks to their climate hoax.
Please see my response on #111 and 112

[jimjamuser]

Though this warming trend has been going on for a long time, its pace has significantly increased in the last hundred years due to the burning of fossil fuels. As the human population has increased, so has the volume of fossil fuels burned. It’s ignorant to believe humans aren’t contributing to the climate changing. We do all we can to destroy everything on the planet that isn’t human and wonder why things don’t work properly anymore.
That is one comment that i can agree with.

[jimjamuser]

Prove that theory, Einstein. You’re missing the point most are making here. We can’t control—or combat—our changing climate anymore than we could control the sun rising and setting. The changing climate has nothing to with us and to think otherwise is pure hubris. In the grand scheme of the universe and geologic time we are as insignificant as an ant…probably even less so.
Einstein says please look at the graphs and google what I discussed on #111 and #112

[jimjamuser]

They claim it is the hottest day ever recorded so that is the hundred years or so. Man releases the co2 retained in decaying vegetation (oil) and destroys the vegetation that traps co2 so a double whammy.
I can agree with that post.

[jimjamuser]

We don’t live in geological time. If there weren’t 8 billion humans cutting down all those trees that fix co2 and releasing the co2 that was fixed for millions of years by burning oil we would have 1 less variable in climate change.
I agree except I believe that there are 15 Billion humans on earth today.

[sounding]

Einstein says please look at the graphs and google what I discussed on #111 and #112

What is causing the "rapid increase" when CO2 is rising at a nearly constant rate?

[sounding]

I agree except I believe that there are 15 Billion humans on earth today.

Just 15 billion? So how much did man-made CO2 warm the earth last year?

[jimjamuser]

This entire "debate" brings to mind a bunch of fleas proposing how to steer the dog.
I would agree with that except I think that people feel that the Earth is so, so large that nothing that MAN can do to her (short of nuclear holocaust) has ANY effect on her. But if you visualize a globe of the earth on a desk then the whole atmosphere is only as thick as a coat of paint. That's when you realize that ALL the exhaust gases from ALL the internal combustion engines in the world are enough to adversely affect that thin veneer of Earth atmosphere. It is delicate.

[jimjamuser]

Just wondering if you, or any of the other people claiming "Climate Change" is a problem are doing your part and telling your children NOT to give you grandchildren? If not, you're part of the problem. :1rotfl:
Possibly we are beginning to agree. People in 1st world countries (most of all) need to control themselves and control their borders. Maybe the US, Europe, Japan (doing a good job now), and Australia should pay 3rd world countries that keep their population in check. ---------I know this sounds radical, but if people did as I asked - look up the graphs of population and global temperature - they would be come literally AFRAID. And want to suggest other radical ideas.
--------A famous old philosopher said that wars and pestilence keep the population under control. Well we had Covid which reduced the numbers and many people think that some country in the Middle East might drop a nuke soon.

[golfing eagles]

I agree except I believe that there are 15 Billion humans on earth today.

That explains A LOT!!! The belief that humans are responsible for global warming and that the world population is 15 billion are equally insane. (World population is 8.1 billion)

[jimjamuser]

Apples and oranges.

Just watching the Weather Channel regularly would convince any thinking person that global warming is very real and is now a constant in the production of hurricanes and typhoons. The weather has run amok.
Agreed - The oceans have become record warm and we are going into hurricane season. Likely at least one large one will hit Florida this summer. And next summer will be worse.

[jimjamuser]

Just watching the Weather Channel furthers climate alarmist indoctrination. Attached is just one example of how they mislead the public - by making wild claims without showing actual trend data. Learn about other junk-science examples at the Weather Club.
That is a funny example since right now in Ca. alone 5 football fields are burning PER MINUTE.

[jimjamuser]

I'm curious if any of the folks that are sure we are killing the planet drive petrol vehicles, use power from a fossil fuel power plant, fly on a plane, procreate, consume meat, purchase anything from China or Mexico?

I'll just leave this here. One of the most green among us. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/0KUORlktdX
15 years ago we were able to do ALL those things WITHOUT endangering the human race. Global Warming has recently snuck up on many or even ALL of us. It is only in the last 15 years that globally the icebergs have been melting, coral reefs have died, the Gulf has gotten to record levels, Death Valley has hit a near record of 130 F, and masses are migrating northward toward the US and Europe. Also, the oceans are rising and cities like Miami are PREPARING. If it was 2014, I would have written NOTHING in TOTV about climate or warming. But, now I write stuff because as the song goes," the times they are changing". I wish that I would be wrong, but we can see the HEAT changes in Florida. 90 to 95 % of all Scientists worry about man-caused Global Warming. The UN is NOT afraid to talk about it , but here locally people are ignoring it (also nationally). We in the US are NOT known for our mental flexibility.

[jimjamuser]

What percent of the increase is caused by humans and what is caused by the natural cycles we know would still be increasing the temp even if humans never existed?

The answer is vital to our response. If it is a scant 1%, then nothing we do matters. If it is 99%, then destroying lives and causing suffering is required by all nations. Even the ones the Paris Accords exempted, China and India, have to make huge changes

So how much is it? I have searched hard and found no answers other than morons saying100%, which is obviously a lie
Please see post #111 and #112

[jimjamuser]

That explains A LOT!!! The belief that humans are responsible for global warming and that the world population is 15 billion are equally insane. (World population is 8.1 billion)
My bad, I think that 8 Billion is the correct number. I don't know where I got the 15 number. BUT, actually it is NOT the absolute number that is important. It is the rapid RATE of CHANGE of population as shown in the graph talked about in either post 111 or 112. It is the change in population, CO2 pollution, and earth temperature that is the important things.

[JMintzer]

I agree except I believe that there are 15 Billion humans on earth today.

That ridiculous assertion is nearly DOUBLE that the actual number...

Color me surprised...

[sounding]

My bad, I think that 8 Billion is the correct number. I don't know where I got the 15 number. BUT, actually it is NOT the absolute number that is important. It is the rapid RATE of CHANGE of population as shown in the graph talked about in either post 111 or 112. It is the change in population, CO2 pollution, and earth temperature that is the important things.

All claims of man-made climate change are baseless - unless much man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year is defined. We know how much the stock market changed last year. We know how much CO2 changed last year. But know one knows how much man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year. Those that claim otherwise speak in the realm of fairly tales - because there is no proof CO2 harms our climate.

[ThirdOfFive]

Agreed - The oceans have become record warm and we are going into hurricane season. Likely at least one large one will hit Florida this summer. And next summer will be worse.
Been hearing THAT Katrina. Pretty near two decades have gone by since.

[MorTech]

400 PPM atmospheric CO2 is barely enough to sustain biolife on Earth. We use to run our greenhouses at about 5000 PPM by oxidizing propane. The leaf material had a funky texture to it because there were fewer pores in the dense cellulose structures. The plants did not need as much water in a high CO2 environment. The Earth atmosphere contained about 8000 PPM CO2 and temperature about 85F back in the Mesozoic/Jurassic Era because dinosaurs were driving SUVs and gas golf carts. If the Earth ever returns to it's optimal temperature of 69F (We are at about 60F now...Still coming out of a long Ice Age), we will see some pretty nasty and large plants evolve and perhaps return of dinosaurs over time (They taste like chicken I hear). Atmospheric CO2 will be about 1500 PPM at 69F.

[golfing eagles]

400 PPM atmospheric CO2 is barely enough to sustain biolife on Earth. We use to run our greenhouses at about 5000 PPM by oxidizing propane. The leaf material had a funky texture to it because there were fewer pores in the dense cellulose structures. The plants did not need as much water in a high CO2 environment. The Earth atmosphere contained about 8000 PPM CO2 and temperature about 85F back in the Mesozoic/Jurassic Era because dinosaurs were driving SUVs and gas golf carts. If the Earth ever returns to it's optimal temperature of 69F (We are at about 60F now...Still coming out of a long Ice Age), we will see some pretty nasty and large plants evolve and perhaps return of dinosaurs over time (They taste like chicken I hear). Atmospheric CO2 will be about 1500 PPM at 69F.

And yet another poster wants to confuse the gullible, the true believers and the fully indoctrinated with the facts. Now cut it out---just like Greek Mythology, the cult of global warming will fade away if too many of them get educated.

[LeRoySmith]

because dinosaurs were driving SUVs and gas golf carts.

I don't believe this.

I've always heard motor oil was made out of dinosaurs so it would be counterintuitive for them to drive an ICE which need oil.

That would be sort of like cannibalism.....SOILENT GREEN IS PEOPLE! (Or dinosaurs in this case)

[ElDiabloJoe]

That ridiculous assertion is nearly DOUBLE that the actual number...

Color me surprised...

I take a certain poster's (Not referring to Jmintzer) comments and contributions with a huge rock of salt - I mean, the same guy wants to tell you how to live your life and that he/they/she/zee/thine knows all about golf carts. Not because they design them, or make them, or fix them, or own one, but because they rode on a friend's cart once two years ago.

[jimjamuser]

All claims of man-made climate change are baseless - unless much man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year is defined. We know how much the stock market changed last year. We know how much CO2 changed last year. But know one knows how much man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year. Those that claim otherwise speak in the realm of fairly tales - because there is no proof CO2 harms our climate.
The answers "my friend are blowing in the wind" and more specifically to that posed question, readers can find those answers on posts #111, #112, and #127 ........thank you

[sounding]

The answers "my friend are blowing in the wind" and more specifically to that posed question, readers can find those answers on posts #111, #112, and #127 ........thank you

All those posts confirm we are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age - thank you - but none of those posts prove CO2 is harmful to our climate - when in fact global warming and increasing CO2 benefit life on earth and in the seas. Even Nobel Prize wining Svante Arrhenuis knew this - way back in 1905. Learn facts vs fictions at the Weather Club.

[JMintzer]

The answers "my friend are blowing in the wind" and more specifically to that posed question, readers can find those answers on posts #111, #112, and #127 ........thank you

Why, because YOU said so?

You've shown nothing to back up your (incessantly repeated) claims...

[MorTech]

I don't believe this.

I've always heard motor oil was made out of dinosaurs so it would be counterintuitive for them to drive an ICE which need oil.

That would be sort of like cannibalism.....SOILENT GREEN IS PEOPLE! (Or dinosaurs in this case)

Nope...Sorry...It is a myth propagated by evil humanity department academia and CIA Operation Mockingbird media.

Since dinosaurs are Christian (except for those that eat their young, obviously), God blessed then with abundant oil...All 15 billion of them.

[MorTech]

Also, There are some historical inaccuracies in the docudrama series The Flintstones. Fred never had to use his feet to get his car moving since it had a HEMI. Did you not see the "Yeah, its got a HEMI" bumper sticker? Also, there is no way a rack of brontosaurus ribs could tip over his car...Not with the heft of the HEMI and those wheels made of solid stone.

Who are they trying to fool? Amirite?

[LeRoySmith]

Fred had to use his feet to get his car moving since it had a HEMI. (You know, lack of power)

Also, there is no way a rack of brontosaurus ribs could tip over his car. Not with the dead weight of the HEMI

There. I fixed it for ya. 😁

[Rapscallion St Croix]

Only three US states have recorded highest ever temperature in this century.

[golfing eagles]

Only three US states have recorded highest ever temperature in this century.

And still yet another poster wants to confuse the gullible, the true believers and the fully indoctrinated with the facts.

[MorTech]

There. I fixed it for ya. 😁

I was just mocking the believers...Kinda like Opening Ceremony in Paris :)

[LeRoySmith]

I was just mocking the believers...Kinda like Opening Ceremony in Paris :)

I was trying to help and make fun of Dodge at the same time.

[jimjamuser]

Look at a graph of global temperature and after 2008 the graph starts to curve upward. then in the last 5 years a more rapid curve upward. You can see about the same upward curve if you search for a graph of World population. Also if you get a graph of ocean temperature and ocean rise. They ALL point toward a rapid warming of the earth. look at the worldwide increase in HEAT related deaths. they ALL point to human caused WARMING. Google the scientists explanation Global Warming - that's what society pays scientists for. And don't tell me that the scientists are ALL (all over the world) just making up their facts and conclusions. All over the world !!!!!

[Kenswing]

Look at a graph of global temperature and after 2008 the graph starts to curve upward. then in the last 5 years a more rapid curve upward. You can see about the same upward curve if you search for a graph of World population. Also if you get a graph of ocean temperature and ocean rise. They ALL point toward a rapid warming of the earth. look at the worldwide increase in HEAT related deaths. they ALL point to human caused WARMING. Google the scientists explanation Global Warming - that's what society pays scientists for. And don't tell me that the scientists are ALL (all over the world) just making up their facts and conclusions. All over the world !!!!!

We were just in Norway. They have glaciers that are melting. Yep, things are warming up. But what are they finding as the glacier receeds? 4-6 thousand year old artifacts from a civilized population. So I guess there was global cooling when that civilization was wiped out. I wonder who they blamed that on?

[golfing eagles]

Look at a graph of global temperature and after 2008 the graph starts to curve upward. then in the last 5 years a more rapid curve upward. You can see about the same upward curve if you search for a graph of World population. Also if you get a graph of ocean temperature and ocean rise. They ALL point toward a rapid warming of the earth. look at the worldwide increase in HEAT related deaths. they ALL point to human caused WARMING. Google the scientists explanation Global Warming - that's what society pays scientists for. And don't tell me that the scientists are ALL (all over the world) just making up their facts and conclusions. All over the world !!!!!

The data points to HUMANS causing it?????? Hardly. The data does not specify a cause at all. Politicians and climate change weenies erroneously specify humans as the cause. Those that stand to make billions and trillions off this hoax specify the cause. And those scientists that some like to point out over and over are almost all on the government payroll, one way or the other. Meanwhile, the DATA is only 150 years out of millions and shows nothing of the sort that some people claim.

[sounding]

Look at a graph of global temperature and after 2008 the graph starts to curve upward. then in the last 5 years a more rapid curve upward. You can see about the same upward curve if you search for a graph of World population. Also if you get a graph of ocean temperature and ocean rise. They ALL point toward a rapid warming of the earth. look at the worldwide increase in HEAT related deaths. they ALL point to human caused WARMING. Google the scientists explanation Global Warming - that's what society pays scientists for. And don't tell me that the scientists are ALL (all over the world) just making up their facts and conclusions. All over the world !!!!!

The "population" reference is nonsense -- just as much as the increasing numbers of solar panels, and/or wind turbines, are causing global warming. Correlation is NOT causation. So ... if you want to make a "science" based (versus narrative based) comment about global warming ... you need to tell us how much man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year. PS ... maybe we need more Pirates to cool things off.

[Dusty_Star]

Sounding, Did you write to The Daily Sun voicing your disappointment with their poor article selection?

[sounding]

Sounding, Did you write to The Daily Sun voicing your disappointment with their poor article selection?

Yes -- twice.

[Taltarzac725]

Yes -- twice.

Not sure what quantum mechanics has to do with global warming.

[golfing eagles]

Not sure what quantum mechanics has to do with global warming.

It's complicated---too hard to explain in a text :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[sounding]

Not sure what quantum mechanics has to do with global warming.

And THAT answer is a perfect example of the failure of today's climate educational system. Those who attend the Weather Club already know ... but for those that don't ... How to Think about Climate Change: The Independent Institute (https://www.independent.org/issues/article.asp?id=13458)