It Was Cooler This Morning

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Compared to yesterday, it was 2 degrees cooler this morning during my sunrise walk. I even saw a woman, who was walking her dog, who was wearing long pants and a jacket. As Debby moves even further north, the southerly winds will continue to slow and nighttime radiational cooling will return. I expect it to be 1 degree cooler tomorrow morning.

[Keefelane66]

With a heat index of 107° today, 2° made a big difference

[Taltarzac725]

The Villages newspaper said it was going to be very hot today and this weekend. Feel like 104 or more.

[golfing eagles]

The Villages newspaper said it was going to be very hot today and this weekend. Feel like 104 or more.

You mean like most summer days here for the last 5,000 years?

[LeRoySmith]

You mean like most summer days here for the last 5,000 years?

its all those damned gas golf carts

[Taltarzac725]

its all those damned gas golf carts

Suppose it was all those farting dinosaurs before?

[LeRoySmith]

Suppose it was all those farting dinosaurs before?

I googled cow farts vs volcanos a little while ago when a couple of these old farts were fussing about CO2 and climate warming, there were a ton of serious hits

[JMintzer]

Suppose it was all those farting dinosaurs before?

I resemble that remark! :D

[Carlsondm]

Suppose it was all those farting dinosaurs before?
That’s an uncontrollable source. Cars and carts are controllable sources. That’s the focus.

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That’s an uncontrollable source. Cars and carts are controllable sources. That’s the focus.

The "focus" here is temperature. By the way, as I forecast, this morning's temperature was 1 degree cooler than yesterday. This was thanks to Debby moving farther away -- and by allowing less windy air and more nighttime radiational cooling. It's funny, that with all the hype of super-hot, boiling oceans, Debby only attained Cat 1 status and for a very short time.

[Ptmcbriz]

I think the whole point of climate change is what historically took 10000+ years to repeat a warming trend, now for the first time in ice core data the change is rapidly occurring more frequent, in 500 years. The only change on the planet is the Industrial Revolution with mankind contributing to air pollution particulates. I think everyone agrees less pollution to our planet the better. Polluting the planet doesn’t help the planet. Striving to be better stewards of the planet is an honorable task.

[jcreason5616]

If it’s any consolation it’s about this hot in PA. We just got back to TV yesterday after a month in PA. We hardly went outside at all. No relief in the evening after 5:30 pm because the mosquitoes were like a biblical plague. Dozens of bites very quickly. And yesterday our area in PA had a tornado. River is flooded.

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I think the whole point of climate change is what historically took 10000+ years to repeat a warming trend, now for the first time in ice core data the change is rapidly occurring more frequent, in 500 years. The only change on the planet is the Industrial Revolution with mankind contributing to air pollution particulates. I think everyone agrees less pollution to our planet the better. Polluting the planet doesn’t help the planet. Striving to be better stewards of the planet is an honorable task.

Thinking is fun, but data is better. The only thing that's more rapid these days is climate alarmism, fostered by 24/7/365 media overload. The narrative says crisis ... but the data says hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, droughts, etc are all decreasing as we warm. Plus, the long-term trend is cooling.

[Markkal]

Nice graphic

[BlackHarley]

I agree with that data, but it's still freakin' hot.

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If it’s any consolation it’s about this hot in PA. We just got back to TV yesterday after a month in PA. We hardly went outside at all. No relief in the evening after 5:30 pm because the mosquitoes were like a biblical plague. Dozens of bites very quickly. And yesterday our area in PA had a tornado. River is flooded.

I too was in PA - two weeks ago - and after living there for over 70 years I see nothing unusual -- except hyper climate alarmist media up there too. This graph was created using NOAA's climatological data stations for PA. Notice the long-term cooling trend of maximum temperatures. Regarding flooding -- I lived right on the Delaware River -- and saw much greater flooding in size and frequency in the past -- when CO2 levels were much lower.

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Glad you like the graphic. That and hundreds more are periodically used at The Weather Club presentations to demonstration "data" versus "narrative". The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

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I agree with that data, but it's still freakin' hot.

Freakin' is not a meteorological term, but I get the message. In these days of modern, reliable temperature records (which is only about 140 years out of billions of years), 2024 will probably be recorded as the hottest -- for one good reason which the media still refuses to say -- Tonga Volcano -- which will be explained in detail at the next Weather Club meeting ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/) . PS ... despite the warmth, global warming is slowing down -- even though CO2 continues upward.

[ehonour]

Thinking is fun, but data is better. The only thing that's more rapid these days is climate alarmism, fostered by 24/7/365 media overload. The narrative says crisis ... but the data says hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, droughts, etc are all decreasing as we warm. Plus, the long-term trend is cooling.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/weather-talk-515/105184d1723292393-cooler-morning-greenland-jpg
Wow. This graphic strongly supports a theory I've been developing. Notice the four most recent peaks, during the Minoan civilization, the peak of the Roman Empire, the Renaissance development of civilized Europe, and today. All four of these periods were characterized by an excess of political discussion as society re-arranged itself.

Obviously, the source of global warming is the hot air caused by political rhetoric! The ice core record shows it!

Of course, I don't know about those other two peaks at 8000 and 7000 years ago. Apparently, those were before God created the Earth.

[crash]

You mean like most summer days here for the last 5,000 years?

Didn’t know there were people with thermometers here 5000 years ago. It is hotter in the time of recorded temperatures maybe 200 years.

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https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/weather-talk-515/105184d1723292393-cooler-morning-greenland-jpg
Wow. This graphic strongly supports a theory I've been developing. Notice the four most recent peaks, during the Minoan civilization, the peak of the Roman Empire, the Renaissance development of civilized Europe, and today. All four of these periods were characterized by an excess of political discussion as society re-arranged itself.

Obviously, the source of global warming is the hot air caused by political rhetoric! The ice core record shows it!

Of course, I don't know about those other two peaks at 8000 and 7000 years ago. Apparently, those were before God created the Earth.

Those past peaks can be explained by the Eddy (1,000 yr) solar cycles (see image). This is discussed in the The Weather Club's "Why Climates Change" talk. This and many other talks are presented to many Villages groups - upon request. PS ... it's the sun (and an occasional volcano) - not CO2.

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Didn’t know there were people with thermometers here 5000 years ago. It is hotter in the time of recorded temperatures maybe 200 years.

Prior to modern day instruments, we have many different method of obtaining past climate information -- everything from temperature to the amount of oxygen, CO2 and many other elements in the air and land and ocean. These are called proxies - which include radio-carbon dating. We have numerous proxies telling up earth was much warmer many times in the past when CO2 levels were much lower. See image for a good example -- where none of the climate models can replicate -- which is more evidence they all fail.

[Kenswing]

Thinking is fun, but data is better. The only thing that's more rapid these days is climate alarmism, fostered by 24/7/365 media overload. The narrative says crisis ... but the data says hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, droughts, etc are all decreasing as we warm. Plus, the long-term trend is cooling.

I see way more climate talk in this forum than I do from the media. Even though I might agree with most of what you say, it’s overload nonetheless. It seems you must always have one of these threads running. It’s like the new dog poop of the forum. And you push the Weather Club so hard I have to wonder if you get a commission for every new body you bring in. lol

[sounding]

I see way more climate talk in this forum than I do from the media. Even though I might agree with most of what you say, it’s overload nonetheless. It seems you must always have one of these threads running. It’s like the new dog poop of the forum. And you push the Weather Club so hard I have to wonder if you get a commission for every new body you bring in. lol

All Weather Club talks are free -- in and outside the Villages -- and even as far as Gainesville. People from across the US and even Canada have asked for these talks, because they see the subjects posted here -- because most want to hear the data versus the narrative ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

[Topspinmo]

That’s an uncontrollable source. Cars and carts are controllable sources. That’s the focus.

Not controllable cause majority across world don’t want to walk. Don’t spout electric cause less than 1% in world are electrified.

[Topspinmo]

All Weather Club talks are free -- in and outside the Villages -- and even as far as Gainesville. People from across the US and even Canada have asked for these talks, because they see the subjects posted here -- because most want to hear the data versus the narrative ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

I contribute the decline to “Smokey the Bear” famous words “ only YOU can prevent forest fires. :highfive:

[jimjamuser]

Compared to yesterday, it was 2 degrees cooler this morning during my sunrise walk. I even saw a woman, who was walking her dog, who was wearing long pants and a jacket. As Debby moves even further north, the southerly winds will continue to slow and nighttime radiational cooling will return. I expect it to be 1 degree cooler tomorrow morning.
Yes normally after Hurricanes pass by, you have a cooling period. Basically hurricanes are a mechanism to average out the hot temperatures of the equator and the cold temperatures of northern Canada and the Arctic. Hot temperatures will probably return to Florida in late August since the surrounding waters in the Atlantic Ocean and the Gulf are above average temperatures. We have been having lots of rain (grass is growing fast and lots of lawn mowing required) because warmer air holds more moisture.
.........It is interesting that the warmer oceans make the ocean waters rise and threaten low lying cities - like Miami. But there may be an offsetting factor - melting glaciers around Antarctica could make the oceans cooler - that is new research from scientists. Apparently, there are many factors to consider.

[jimjamuser]

You mean like most summer days here for the last 5,000 years?
Unfortunately, looking at a graph of Earth temperatures, we see a large rise in temperature in the last 5 years. The reason for the increased HEAT - as provided by over 90% of climate scientists IS that factory pollution and gas and diesel automobiles produce a gas that adversely affects HEAT reflection from the upper atmosphere. This is going to get worse each year until the world switches to Electric Vehicles in LARGE numbers. Plus somehow the Earth's population must level off. NOTE -----look at a graph of the recent LARGE increase in population. Its recent rise is similar to the increase in Earth temperature.

[jimjamuser]

its all those damned gas golf carts
I realize the sarcasm, but the statement is absolutely TRUE.

[jimjamuser]

If it’s any consolation it’s about this hot in PA. We just got back to TV yesterday after a month in PA. We hardly went outside at all. No relief in the evening after 5:30 pm because the mosquitoes were like a biblical plague. Dozens of bites very quickly. And yesterday our area in PA had a tornado. River is flooded.
Sorry about your bad experience. If you get a chance to look at post 28 here. There is a brief explanation of the reason for those recent changes in the world climate. Many people are avoiding the question of "WHY" this is happening. And try NOT to be dazzled by the many graphs found on page 2.

[jimjamuser]

Thinking is fun, but data is better. The only thing that's more rapid these days is climate alarmism, fostered by 24/7/365 media overload. The narrative says crisis ... but the data says hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, droughts, etc are all decreasing as we warm. Plus, the long-term trend is cooling.
The end of that graph is 2007 which has nothing to do with today. That is BEFORE the rapid warming was detected about 15 years ago. But has really risen greatly in the last 5 years. A more current graph would be more meaningful.

[MrFlorida]

Normal for summer in Florida.

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Sorry about your bad experience. If you get a chance to look at post 28 here. There is a brief explanation of the reason for those recent changes in the world climate. Many people are avoiding the question of "WHY" this is happening. And try NOT to be dazzled by the many graphs found on page 2.

Sorry, there is no "brief" explanation of climate change, or even meteorology - which is why The Weather Club offers 25 different presentations (with more in the works), all examining the many know and unknown factors which control our environment. For example, Al Gore thought he too had a "brief explanation" of just a small part of the puzzle.

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The end of that graph is 2007 which has nothing to do with today. That is BEFORE the rapid warming was detected about 15 years ago. But has really risen greatly in the last 5 years. A more current graph would be more meaningful.

The source of those temperature proxies have not yet updated the data, although we have plenty of evidence and other proxy data to show that the prior warm period, the Medieval Warm Period, was warmer than today, when CO2 was lower than today.

[jimjamuser]

Freakin' is not a meteorological term, but I get the message. In these days of modern, reliable temperature records (which is only about 140 years out of billions of years), 2024 will probably be recorded as the hottest -- for one good reason which the media still refuses to say -- Tonga Volcano -- which will be explained in detail at the next Weather Club meeting ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/) . PS ... despite the warmth, global warming is slowing down -- even though CO2 continues upward.
The Tonga Volcano.......interesting........sounds a little like picking out some STRAY fact to explain AWAY HEAT increase worldwide, which can be found by a simple GOOGLE search. That is like another odd theory about some sort of Earth wobble causing this HEAT. The US automobile industry pays professional deniers to obscure the real cause of the recent Global Warming - internal combustion exhaust. It is obvious that they have a VESTED interest in SLOWING down the US consumer's acceptance of Electric Vehicles.

[jimjamuser]

Prior to modern day instruments, we have many different method of obtaining past climate information -- everything from temperature to the amount of oxygen, CO2 and many other elements in the air and land and ocean. These are called proxies - which include radio-carbon dating. We have numerous proxies telling up earth was much warmer many times in the past when CO2 levels were much lower. See image for a good example -- where none of the climate models can replicate -- which is more evidence they all fail.
There is no relevant point in talking about earth temperatures hundreds of years ago. (although I believe that all science is worth pursuing). But, as to WHY we have increased Global Warming in the last 5 years........it seems more of a distraction than anything of value.

[jimjamuser]

Prior to modern day instruments, we have many different method of obtaining past climate information -- everything from temperature to the amount of oxygen, CO2 and many other elements in the air and land and ocean. These are called proxies - which include radio-carbon dating. We have numerous proxies telling up earth was much warmer many times in the past when CO2 levels were much lower. See image for a good example -- where none of the climate models can replicate -- which is more evidence they all fail.
Actually the far right of this graph shows RISING CO2 and RISING earth HEAT. That's because of MAN-MADE, man cause CO2 increases from IC engines. Basically, the more people there are on Earth the more the HEAT will rise. Next summer will be EVEN HOTTER.

[jimjamuser]

Sorry, there is no "brief" explanation of climate change, or even meteorology - which is why The Weather Club offers 25 different presentations (with more in the works), all examining the many know and unknown factors which control our environment. For example, Al Gore thought he too had a "brief explanation" of just a small part of the puzzle.
Actually all polar ice at both poles is decreasing. I believe that I read that scientists are recording record temperatures in Antarctica.

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The Tonga Volcano.......interesting........sounds a little like picking out some STRAY fact to explain AWAY HEAT increase worldwide, which can be found by a simple GOOGLE search. That is like another odd theory about some sort of Earth wobble causing this HEAT. The US automobile industry pays professional deniers to obscure the real cause of the recent Global Warming - internal combustion exhaust. It is obvious that they have a VESTED interest in SLOWING down the US consumer's acceptance of Electric Vehicles.

This volcano opinion is exactly what the media desires - a total lack of awareness of the greatest volcanic event in the 21st century - and the subject of the next Weather Club talk - because Tonga is the primary cause of the 2023-2024 heat wave -- due to its unprecedented injection of water vapor (earth's strongest greenhouse driver) high into the stratosphere. Its blast compression wave traveled around the world - twice - and was heard as far away as Alaska. Here is a preview of what most don't know ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgsNYGkkIAE

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Actually all polar ice at both poles is decreasing. I believe that I read that scientists are recording record temperatures in Antarctica.

Thank you for confirming we are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age. The Bray and Eddy solar cycles are still in their warming phases -- which is expected to end in about 100 years. Enjoy the ride -- because the alternative is chilling.

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Actually the far right of this graph shows RISING CO2 and RISING earth HEAT. That's because of MAN-MADE, man cause CO2 increases from IC engines. Basically, the more people there are on Earth the more the HEAT will rise. Next summer will be EVEN HOTTER.

Claims are fun, but data is better. So, let's try data versus narrative. How much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year? Since our climate leaders always tell us to follow the science, please provide the "science" you use to arrive at your answer.

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There is no relevant point in talking about earth temperatures hundreds of years ago. (although I believe that all science is worth pursuing). But, as to WHY we have increased Global Warming in the last 5 years........it seems more of a distraction than anything of value.

Picking any specific time period comes with different answers depending on which forcing functions you are looking at, because we are currently under the influence of several competing warming and cooling cycles. However, using satellite data, it is clear that the Tonga volcano is causing the 2023-2024 heat wave, because all other explanations fail the data test.

[golfing eagles]

Unfortunately, looking at a graph of Earth temperatures, we see a large rise in temperature in the last 5 years. The reason for the increased HEAT - as provided by over 90% of climate scientists IS that factory pollution and gas and diesel automobiles produce a gas that adversely affects HEAT reflection from the upper atmosphere. This is going to get worse each year until the world switches to Electric Vehicles in LARGE numbers. Plus somehow the Earth's population must level off. NOTE -----look at a graph of the recent LARGE increase in population. Its recent rise is similar to the increase in Earth temperature.

Here we go again---that MYTH has been dispelled about a zillion times yet the MSM goes on pushing that false narrative at the behest of their masters. It gets worse every year. And then there are the lemmings that fall for it hook, line and sinker.

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Here we go again---that MYTH has been dispelled about a zillion times yet the MSM goes on pushing that false narrative at the behest of their masters. It gets worse every year. And then there are the lemmings that fall for it hook, line and sinker.

Dittos. You know it's all a fake show, because the climate alarmists NEVER demonstrate how they actually live in a net-zero or whatever they advocate, lifestyle. Leadership by example is always the winning message.

[jimjamuser]

This volcano opinion is exactly what the media desires - a total lack of awareness of the greatest volcanic event in the 21st century - and the subject of the next Weather Club talk - because Tonga is the primary cause of the 2023-2024 heat wave -- due to its unprecedented injection of water vapor (earth's strongest greenhouse driver) high into the stratosphere. Its blast compression wave traveled around the world - twice - and was heard as far away as Alaska. Here is a preview of what most don't know ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgsNYGkkIAE
The Earth's HEAT has been increasing for 15 years with BIG increases in the last 5 years. Since the Tonga eruption happened in 2022, it was a factor in the Earth's heat after 2022, but can't be called the PRIMARY warming factor. The Earth was warming before 2022 due to internal combustion engine exhaust. And will continue for many years in the future, since there are so many deniers.

[golfing eagles]

The Earth's HEAT has been increasing for 15 years with BIG increases in the last 5 years. Since the Tonga eruption happened in 2022, it was a factor in the Earth's heat after 2022, but can't be called the PRIMARY warming factor. The Earth was warming before 2022 due to internal combustion engine exhaust. And will continue for many years in the future, since there are so many deniers.

The Earth was also warming before 10,000 BC---was that due to internal combustion engines???? The Earth was much, much warmer 65 million years ago-----engines as well???? The last 5 or 15 years????--out of billions???? Don't make me laugh any harder.

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The Earth's HEAT has been increasing for 15 years with BIG increases in the last 5 years. Since the Tonga eruption happened in 2022, it was a factor in the Earth's heat after 2022, but can't be called the PRIMARY warming factor. The Earth was warming before 2022 due to internal combustion engine exhaust. And will continue for many years in the future, since there are so many deniers.

Lots of words and no data. Anyone with a keyboard can make up words. So, let's try some data which is science based ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

[sounding]

The Earth's HEAT has been increasing for 15 years with BIG increases in the last 5 years. Since the Tonga eruption happened in 2022, it was a factor in the Earth's heat after 2022, but can't be called the PRIMARY warming factor. The Earth was warming before 2022 due to internal combustion engine exhaust. And will continue for many years in the future, since there are so many deniers.

Earth's heat. You have the narrative ... I have the data. For example, this Chester County, PA graph shows how NOAA systematically alters temperature data - by cooling and past and warming the present - and like magic - we have a global warming crisis. Notice the max temps are trending down - because the global "data" shows global warming is slowing down.

[jimjamuser]

Sorry, there is no "brief" explanation of climate change, or even meteorology - which is why The Weather Club offers 25 different presentations (with more in the works), all examining the many know and unknown factors which control our environment. For example, Al Gore thought he too had a "brief explanation" of just a small part of the puzzle.
Al Gore was RIGHT. But, there were at least 2 reasons why he became a pariah. 1st the oil and gas industry had a vested interest in the production of gasoline and diesel vehicles so they did NOT want to be told by Al Gore that their products were endangering the environment. They even resisted US government regulations to eliminate SMOG in our cities. They had propaganda experts attack everything about Al Gore. Secondly, he was the 1st non-scientist with a national following to speak up about clean air. Being the 1st to say that something like SMOG was a serious HEALTH problem leaves a person open to MASSIVE criticism.
.......Bottom line - Al Gore was a HERO to the clean environment movement, which was branded by the opposition as merely misguided "hippies".
..........Today scientists know that Al Gore was right. And as we can see by the HIGH summer temperatures and record heat in world oceans.( Also reef destruction and polar melting and animal species extinction). Today we see the world environment going to "hell in a hand basket"( interesting expression) !!!!!!

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Al Gore was RIGHT. But, there were at least 2 reasons why he became a pariah. 1st the oil and gas industry had a vested interest in the production of gasoline and diesel vehicles so they did NOT want to be told by Al Gore that their products were endangering the environment. They even resisted US government regulations to eliminate SMOG in our cities. They had propaganda experts attack everything about Al Gore. Secondly, he was the 1st non-scientist with a national following to speak up about clean air. Being the 1st to say that something like SMOG was a serious HEALTH problem leaves a person open to MASSIVE criticism.
.......Bottom line - Al Gore was a HERO to the clean environment movement, which was branded by the opposition as merely misguided "hippies".
..........Today scientists know that Al Gore was right. And as we can see by the HIGH summer temperatures and record heat in world oceans.( Also reef destruction and polar melting and animal species extinction). Today we see the world environment going to "hell in a hand basket"( interesting expression) !!!!!!

Al Gore was right? I don't think so. Show me just one climate forecast he got right.

[jimjamuser]

This volcano opinion is exactly what the media desires - a total lack of awareness of the greatest volcanic event in the 21st century - and the subject of the next Weather Club talk - because Tonga is the primary cause of the 2023-2024 heat wave -- due to its unprecedented injection of water vapor (earth's strongest greenhouse driver) high into the stratosphere. Its blast compression wave traveled around the world - twice - and was heard as far away as Alaska. Here is a preview of what most don't know ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgsNYGkkIAE
Actually, I read that the 1991 Mt. Pinatubo eruption was about the same size as the Tonga eruption. Tonga was under water and Pinatubo was on land . Pinatubo COOLED the Earth for 2 years by .9 degree F. Which is no big deal. Tonga produced water vapor. Pinatubo produced black ash. Tonga warmed the Earth, but I did not read anything about how much.
.......One could assume that since both eruptions were about the same size that they would have about equal effect on the earth temperatures.
Therefore, the effect of Tonga would be equally SMALL.

[jimjamuser]

Claims are fun, but data is better. So, let's try data versus narrative. How much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year? Since our climate leaders always tell us to follow the science, please provide the "science" you use to arrive at your answer.
95% of all Climate Scientists say that Global Warming is man made. And if a person would look at a graph of the rapid rise of the world population in the last 25 years - they would see the direct link. Large world population equals large factory and vehicle exhaust gas pollution, which is RESPONSIBLE for OUR NOTICEABLE Climate Change in the last 5 to 15 years.

[jimjamuser]

Here we go again---that MYTH has been dispelled about a zillion times yet the MSM goes on pushing that false narrative at the behest of their masters. It gets worse every year. And then there are the lemmings that fall for it hook, line and sinker.
Interesting the expression" that it gets WORSE every year" - because what also gets WORSE every year is the HEAT that the world experiences and we do here in Florida as the ocean and gulf temperatures reach RECORD levels. In this very topic in one of the earlier posts a man from Pa. talked about how bad it was "up north" there. The heat and the humidity and the excess mosquitoes are WORSE that years past - in his opinion.
..........so I ask .....as a CONCERNED US citizen ........Is the rejection of Electric Vehicles worth the change in people's lives (toward living with more heat). And should we be MORE concerned with the northward flow of Population into the US from as far south as Venezuela ? Because more population in a 1st world country means more industrial gas and VEHICLE gas causing temperature increases. And other bad things.

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Actually, I read that the 1991 Mt. Pinatubo eruption was about the same size as the Tonga eruption. Tonga was under water and Pinatubo was on land . Pinatubo COOLED the Earth for 2 years by .9 degree F. Which is no big deal. Tonga produced water vapor. Pinatubo produced black ash. Tonga warmed the Earth, but I did not read anything about how much.
.......One could assume that since both eruptions were about the same size that they would have about equal effect on the earth temperatures.
Therefore, the effect of Tonga would be equally SMALL.

1. You didn't read much about Tonga, because the media refuses to talk about it, because its "water vapor" is causing the 2023-2024 warming spike -- and heaven forbid the public hears that water vapor is causing global warming -- because water vapor is the monster greenhouse gas.

2. Assumptions are fun to make, but again, data trumps those too. First - Tonga is causing about 0.8 C (or 1.4 degree F) warming, and is expected to very slowly cool because the water vapor was sent much higher into the stratosphere than Pinatubo's ash. The stratosphere is very stable and the water vapor will linger for years. Second - Pinatubo's ash is very different than Tonga's water vapor. Ash is not only heavier, but it was lower in the atmosphere - and thus fell out faster. The water vapor is still spreading globally (vertically and horizontally).

3. All this and much more will be discussed Aug 15 at 1 PM at Bridgeport.

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95% of all Climate Scientists say that Global Warming is man made. And if a person would look at a graph of the rapid rise of the world population in the last 25 years - they would see the direct link. Large world population equals large factory and vehicle exhaust gas pollution, which is RESPONSIBLE for OUR NOTICEABLE Climate Change in the last 5 to 15 years.

Anyone can make a number like 95%. So if true, please list their names.

[sounding]

Interesting the expression" that it gets WORSE every year" - because what also gets WORSE every year is the HEAT that the world experiences and we do here in Florida as the ocean and gulf temperatures reach RECORD levels. In this very topic in one of the earlier posts a man from Pa. talked about how bad it was "up north" there. The heat and the humidity and the excess mosquitoes are WORSE that years past - in his opinion.
..........so I ask .....as a CONCERNED US citizen ........Is the rejection of Electric Vehicles worth the change in people's lives (toward living with more heat). And should we be MORE concerned with the northward flow of Population into the US from as far south as Venezuela ? Because more population in a 1st world country means more industrial gas and VEHICLE gas causing temperature increases. And other bad things.

EV buses are hot ... https://x.com/NetworksManager/status/1750466690251620422

[jimjamuser]

The Earth was also warming before 10,000 BC---was that due to internal combustion engines???? The Earth was much, much warmer 65 million years ago-----engines as well???? The last 5 or 15 years????--out of billions???? Don't make me laugh any harder.
One person's laugh may NOT be the same as another person's laugh. I get a large GIGGLE when I fail to see the parallel between Worldwide temperature increases caused by greater populations in 1st world countries causing more industrial and vehicle pollution. And some changes that The Earth experienced millions of years ago. (giggle, giggle)

[jimjamuser]

Lots of words and no data. Anyone with a keyboard can make up words. So, let's try some data which is science based ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?
Anyone with a KEYBOARD can type into Google - why is the Earth warming in the last 15 years - why do scientists say the Earth is warming in last 15 years.? Why is CO2 gas so small, but IMPORTANT? Why are the Coral Reefs dying? Why is Alaska breaking temperature records? Why is the Gulf of Mexico at record temperatures? Why are so many animals worldwide going extinct? Could humans go extinct due to Global Warming. Are there temperatures at which humans can't exist. Is human overpopulation a problem? Do wars and pestilence still control population (as one old philosopher believed)/ Why did Death Valley have the world's record heat recently? Google can be a friend (if one uses it)!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Anyone can make a number like 95%. So if true, please list their names.
That gave me a GIGGLE. I am expected to list all the names of the 95% of all WORLD (as in the whole world) Climate Scientists. I would have to be an A.I. robot to do that.

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Anyone with a KEYBOARD can type into Google - why is the Earth warming in the last 15 years - why do scientists say the Earth is warming in last 15 years.? Why is CO2 gas so small, but IMPORTANT? Why are the Coral Reefs dying? Why is Alaska breaking temperature records? Why is the Gulf of Mexico at record temperatures? Why are so many animals worldwide going extinct? Could humans go extinct due to Global Warming. Are there temperatures at which humans can't exist. Is human overpopulation a problem? Do wars and pestilence still control population (as one old philosopher believed)/ Why did Death Valley have the world's record heat recently? Google can be a friend (if one uses it)!!!!!

Again -- just lots of words - and no data. So, how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year? Just Google it to find out -- it should be easy to find ... jeopardy them song music - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-e&q=jeopardy+them+song+music#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:e7f0c190,vid:Ke3s9Xt_NsY,st:0)

[jimjamuser]

EV buses are hot ... https://x.com/NetworksManager/status/1750466690251620422
Give EVs batteries 20 more years of development and they will be way safer than gasoline vehicles. Actually, I am sure that they are today. And that fire could have been human error. Someone may have hooked up a charger incorrectly. We don't know how that investigation turned out.

[jimjamuser]

Actually, I read that the 1991 Mt. Pinatubo eruption was about the same size as the Tonga eruption. Tonga was under water and Pinatubo was on land . Pinatubo COOLED the Earth for 2 years by .9 degree F. Which is no big deal. Tonga produced water vapor. Pinatubo produced black ash. Tonga warmed the Earth, but I did not read anything about how much.
.......One could assume that since both eruptions were about the same size that they would have about equal effect on the earth temperatures.
Therefore, the effect of Tonga would be equally SMALL.
Turns out that I was basically CORRECT about this. The latest research proves that. The Tonga water vapor initially lead to SPECULATION that it was the cause of the Global Warmth of 2023 and 2024. This NEW research can be found in The Environmental and Energy Leader, which I assume is a magazine for Scientists. Texas A+M scientist Dr. Andrew Dessler revealed surprising findings. They found that the Tonga eruption "actually COOLED the earth". (my note - repeat COOLED THE EARTH). "This finding redirects attention back to human caused greenhouse gas emissions as the CAUSE of recent warming trends". Dr. Mark Schoeberl was also involved.
.......The bottom line is that the Tonga eruption actually cooled the Earth, NOT warmed the Earth. Scientists say that the recent intense warming of the planet in the last few years is due to Greenhouse Gas Emissions such as factory and vehicle CO2 emissions.

[golfing eagles]

Do you know the most amazing facet of this thread??

It's NOT that it is the umpteenth thread of this type

It's NOT that the indoctrinated, weak minded and gullible continue to parrot the talking points of those that financial benefit from the climate change agenda

It's NOT that some of us continually post THE FACTS, while others simply serve as "useful idiots" for their masters

It's that we are at post 63 and it has not yet been mysteriously shut down.

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Turns out that I was basically CORRECT about this. The latest research proves that. The Tonga water vapor initially lead to SPECULATION that it was the cause of the Global Warmth of 2023 and 2024. This NEW research can be found in The Environmental and Energy Leader, which I assume is a magazine for Scientists. Texas A+M scientist Dr. Andrew Dessler revealed surprising findings. They found that the Tonga eruption "actually COOLED the earth". (my note - repeat COOLED THE EARTH). "This finding redirects attention back to human caused greenhouse gas emissions as the CAUSE of recent warming trends". Dr. Mark Schoeberl was also involved.
.......The bottom line is that the Tonga eruption actually cooled the Earth, NOT warmed the Earth. Scientists say that the recent intense warming of the planet in the last few years is due to Greenhouse Gas Emissions such as factory and vehicle CO2 emissions.

Like Einstein said, "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." Claims that Tonga cools are absurd, as evident in attached image, where there is NO spike in CO2 -- but there is a spike in climate alarmism. All similar attempts to dismiss Tonga's heating effect will be debunked at the Tonga Talk - Aug 15 at 1 PM at Bridgeport.

[golfing eagles]

Like Einstein said, "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." Claims that Tonga cools are absurd, as evident in attached image, where there is NO spike in CO2 -- but there is a spike in climate alarmism. All similar attempts to dismiss Tonga's heating effect will be debunked at the Tonga Talk - Aug 15 at 1 PM at Bridgeport.

You mean you're going to make yet another attempt to confuse them with the FACTS. Rotsa ruck:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

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Compared to yesterday, it was 2 degrees cooler this morning during my sunrise walk. I even saw a woman, who was walking her dog, who was wearing long pants and a jacket. As Debby moves even further north, the southerly winds will continue to slow and nighttime radiational cooling will return. I expect it to be 1 degree cooler tomorrow morning.

Again -- another morning cooler than yesterday. Global warming is on a roll.

[golfing eagles]

Again -- another morning cooler than yesterday. Global warming is on a roll.

Unfortunately, global warming proponents and their acolytes roll on as well.

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Unfortunately, global warming proponents and their acolytes roll on as well.

Here it is mid-summer and Greenland is reporting above normal "increases" of ice and snow -- and not a peep from the news ... Greenland’s Summer Looks More Like Winter Considering Large Ice Gains - Cold Weather Report (http://coldweatherreport.com/2024/08/07/greenlands-summer-looks-more-like-winter-considering-large-ice-gains/)

[jimjamuser]

Do you know the most amazing facet of this thread??

It's NOT that it is the umpteenth thread of this type

It's NOT that the indoctrinated, weak minded and gullible continue to parrot the talking points of those that financial benefit from the climate change agenda

It's NOT that some of us continually post THE FACTS, while others simply serve as "useful idiots" for their masters

It's that we are at post 63 and it has not yet been mysteriously shut down.
It is well known that some people feel a great need to be in CONTROL of everything and they become irate and agitated when that does not happen.That must be very frustrating!

[jimjamuser]

Like Einstein said, "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." Claims that Tonga cools are absurd, as evident in attached image, where there is NO spike in CO2 -- but there is a spike in climate alarmism. All similar attempts to dismiss Tonga's heating effect will be debunked at the Tonga Talk - Aug 15 at 1 PM at Bridgeport.
It is difficult for me to believe that ANY person (myself definitely included) living in The Villages can know more than the Climate Researchers at Texas A+M that have submitted their work in for peer review. No one has to believe me, but also no one without a Climate Science degree can challenge the Texas A+M scientists that must have worked very hard to get this science CORRECT. The idea that Tonga WARMED the Earth was MERELY a 1st SPECULATION that is now DISPROVED. My advice would be to inform The Villages Climate Club of these NEWEST FINDINGS.

[jimjamuser]

Like Einstein said, "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." Claims that Tonga cools are absurd, as evident in attached image, where there is NO spike in CO2 -- but there is a spike in climate alarmism. All similar attempts to dismiss Tonga's heating effect will be debunked at the Tonga Talk - Aug 15 at 1 PM at Bridgeport.
Strangely, that 1st graph shows nothing about CO2, but it does show what I have been trying to communicate.....namely that the Earth has been HEATING up dramatically in recent years. So thanks for the graph.
......I will have to look more closely at that 2nd graph to see what it is trying to communicate.

[jimjamuser]

OK I got it now, that 2nd graph basically shows (also what I have been saying) that CO2 is increasing as the World Population is increasing. Not a big deal, we all can HOPEFULLY agree on that.

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It is difficult for me to believe that ANY person (myself definitely included) living in The Villages can know more than the Climate Researchers at Texas A+M that have submitted their work in for peer review. No one has to believe me, but also no one without a Climate Science degree can challenge the Texas A+M scientists that must have worked very hard to get this science CORRECT. The idea that Tonga WARMED the Earth was MERELY a 1st SPECULATION that is now DISPROVED. My advice would be to inform The Villages Climate Club of these NEWEST FINDINGS.

Confirmation bias gathering is fun, but it's not data. Fortunately, The Weather Club specializes in data. Please join us and celebrate global warming and CO2 -- because the alternative is deadly.

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OK I got it now, that 2nd graph basically shows (also what I have been saying) that CO2 is increasing as the World Population is increasing. Not a big deal, we all can HOPEFULLY agree on that.

True --- and that is a good thing -- because we are in a CO2 famine ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLnQo8l-BHc

[jimjamuser]

Here it is mid-summer and Greenland is reporting above normal "increases" of ice and snow -- and not a peep from the news ... Greenland’s Summer Looks More Like Winter Considering Large Ice Gains - Cold Weather Report (http://coldweatherreport.com/2024/08/07/greenlands-summer-looks-more-like-winter-considering-large-ice-gains/)
If you read toward the bottom there is the statement that 2012 was the LOWEST point for ice. That last graph also shows a giant drop in ice in recent history. I once read that farmers are now able to grow crops in Greenland that were impossible to grow 30 years ago.
......When Climate scientists create the graph of the Earth's massive temperature rise in the last 15 years they are INTEGRATING ALL temperature locations on the EARTH. Obviously, there will be some FEW locations where more snow will occur, but they put ALL Earth locations TOGETHER to have a comprehensive SUMMARY.

[LeRoySmith]

You 2 should get a room, goodness

[jimjamuser]

Confirmation bias gathering is fun, but it's not data. Fortunately, The Weather Club specializes in data. Please join us and celebrate global warming and CO2 -- because the alternative is deadly.
I will join you in your stating that we have Global Warming. I am in PERFECT AGREEMENT on that.

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If you read toward the bottom there is the statement that 2012 was the LOWEST point for ice. That last graph also shows a giant drop in ice in recent history. I once read that farmers are now able to grow crops in Greenland that were impossible to grow 30 years ago.
......When Climate scientists create the graph of the Earth's massive temperature rise in the last 15 years they are INTEGRATING ALL temperature locations on the EARTH. Obviously, there will be some FEW locations where more snow will occur, but they put ALL Earth locations TOGETHER to have a comprehensive SUMMARY.

This is because we are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age -- which is expected to continue for about 100 years or so. It'll get cold after that. Trust me -- the sun has been producing these cycles for thousands of years - and there's nothing we can can do about it -- except adapt.

[jimjamuser]

True --- and that is a good thing -- because we are in a CO2 famine ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLnQo8l-BHc
Even I can answer that graph in your YOU/Tube insert. The bottom axis is in MILLIONS of years, which makes it useless to a discussion about the last 15 years that I am saying that Climate Scientists are worried about. I am NOT a Paleantologist (I can't even spell it right), but I would GUESS that as the Earth COOLED the oxygen and nitrogen gas atoms replaced the CO2 atoms. And since we HUMANS breathe O2 then we were able to exist.

[golfing eagles]

It is difficult for me to believe that ANY person (myself definitely included) living in The Villages can know more than the Climate Researchers at Texas A+M that have submitted their work in for peer review. No one has to believe me, but also no one without a Climate Science degree can challenge the Texas A+M scientists that must have worked very hard to get this science CORRECT. The idea that Tonga WARMED the Earth was MERELY a 1st SPECULATION that is now DISPROVED. My advice would be to inform The Villages Climate Club of these NEWEST FINDINGS.

Normally, that might be the case. Unfortunately, the powers that be have mandated that anyone they have any control over fall in line and parrot the myth of anthropogenic climate change. Since most climatologists work for the government, work under a contract with the government or for a university, that accounts for most of them. Again, if anyone doubts this, just get a degree in climatology and apply for a grant to do research that would prove humans have nothing to do with global warming. Congratulations, you just committed professional suicide and your family will starve

[jimjamuser]

You 2 should get a room, goodness
I would welcome more people into this discussion. It has a lot to do with world population movements from South to North, which has already affected the US and will affect it greatly, and in a negative way, in the future. It explains WHY the Gulf and Atlantic are at RECORD temperatures, Note -------July 22, 2024 was The Earths hottest day EVER RECORDED! Look it up, it will scare you!

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Even I can answer that graph in your YOU/Tube insert. The bottom axis is in MILLIONS of years, which makes it useless to a discussion about the last 15 years that I am saying that Climate Scientists are worried about. I am NOT a Paleantologist (I can't even spell it right), but I would GUESS that as the Earth COOLED the oxygen and nitrogen gas atoms replaced the CO2 atoms. And since we HUMANS breathe O2 then we were able to exist.

Plants today suffer from lack of sufficient CO2, which is why most commercial greenhouses (worldwide) use CO2 enrichment -- even the Villages greenhouse. We are far below the average level of earth's CO2 history -- and far too close to the CO2 red-line-of-death. We should celebrate CO2 - not demonize it.

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I would welcome more people into this discussion. It has a lot to do with world population movements from South to North, which has already affected the US and will affect it greatly, and in a negative way, in the future. It explains WHY the Gulf and Atlantic are at RECORD temperatures, Note -------July 22, 2024 was The Earths hottest day EVER RECORDED! Look it up, it will scare you!

Nearly all the major civilizations of the past crumbled due to mass migrations into wealthy cities following dramatic climate change -- all when CO2 levels were far far less than today. Bye the way, those dramatic climate changes of the past -- they were global cooling events. It's called climate history -- which apparently is no longer taught.

[jimjamuser]

Normally, that might be the case. Unfortunately, the powers that be have mandated that anyone they have any control over fall in line and parrot the myth of anthropogenic climate change. Since most climatologists work for the government, work under a contract with the government or for a university, that accounts for most of them. Again, if anyone doubts this, just get a degree in climatology and apply for a grant to do research that would prove humans have nothing to do with global warming. Congratulations, you just committed professional suicide and your family will starve
Finally, something that makes sense and that I can partially agree with.I have simply stated what I have read and how I disagree with the gentleman from our local Climate Club. People living in Florida must individually decide what action they take. If they believe that warming is happening and they can afford it and are relatively young - I would advise that they look at the graph of temperature rise worldwide and in Florida and some probably would be better off to find a retirement community to the North of Florida. There is a smaller but nice one (with a golf course) near Crossville, Tn. But, either way my thesis is that in 5 years at this present HEATING rate Florida will be TOTALLY UNPLEASANT to live in the summer and the hurricanes and tornadoes will be super dangerous here in Florida.
......But maybe the Villages Climate Club is right and I am wrong. Better at least, to be warned than ignore the subject, which many are doing !!!!!!!!!

[eyc234]

Plants today suffer from lack of sufficient CO2, which is why most commercial greenhouses (worldwide) use CO2 enrichment -- even the Villages greenhouse. We are far below the average level of earth's CO2 history -- and far too close to the CO2 red-line-of-death. We should celebrate CO2 - not demonize it.

There are many things that can cause plants to grow and not to grow. One major thing is temperature too low and specifically too high, amount of water, etc. This is not a one issue problem nor a one solution problem. No one can make a guarantee that they are 100% correct. The story here should be how do we mitigate the impacts on humans, animals, the environment we all enjoy now and in the future. Arguing what the cause is while fire burns down towns, floods was away towns, ocean storms; hurricanes/typhoons, destroy entire cities is about as helpful as arguing which came first the chicken or the egg. Hope that climate change naysayers are correct but would rather hope for the best and plan for the worst.

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Finally, something that makes sense and that I can partially agree with.I have simply stated what I have read and how I disagree with the gentleman from our local Climate Club. People living in Florida must individually decide what action they take. If they believe that warming is happening and they can afford it and are relatively young - I would advise that they look at the graph of temperature rise worldwide and in Florida and some probably would be better off to find a retirement community to the North of Florida. There is a smaller but nice one (with a golf course) near Crossville, Tn. But, either way my thesis is that in 5 years at this present HEATING rate Florida will be TOTALLY UNPLEASANT to live in the summer and the hurricanes and tornadoes will be super dangerous here in Florida.
......But maybe the Villages Climate Club is right and I am wrong. Better at least, to be warned than ignore the subject, which many are doing !!!!!!!!!

Lots of heated words -- but not one mention of TONGA's heating spike -- or the fact that hurricanes and tornadoes are decreasing thanks to global warming. That is data denial. This is why more and more people come to the Weather Club -- to hear data versus opinion.

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There are many things that can cause plants to grow and not to grow. One major thing is temperature too low and specifically too high, amount of water, etc. This is not a one issue problem nor a one solution problem. No one can make a guarantee that they are 100% correct. The story here should be how do we mitigate the impacts on humans, animals, the environment we all enjoy now and in the future. Arguing what the cause is while fire burns down towns, floods was away towns, ocean storms; hurricanes/typhoons, destroy entire cities is about as helpful as arguing which came first the chicken or the egg. Hope that climate change naysayers are correct but would rather hope for the best and plan for the worst.

Opinions and alarming rhetoric and popular hobbies -- and make lots of money -- but at the Weather Club we look at data versus scary stories. Please bring your data and we'll have a good time.

[jimjamuser]

Plants today suffer from lack of sufficient CO2, which is why most commercial greenhouses (worldwide) use CO2 enrichment -- even the Villages greenhouse. We are far below the average level of earth's CO2 history -- and far too close to the CO2 red-line-of-death. We should celebrate CO2 - not demonize it.
Co2 was basically in control about 15 years ago then population grew and factories and automobile around the world started spewing out CO2 , apparently in excess of what the oceans (and trees) could absorb. The end result is HEAT REFLECTED BACK TO THE eARTH AND THE record TEMPERATURES. Note-----July 22 2024 was the Earths hottest ever recorded day ! YES, more trees would help but more population is demanding more trees get cut down. And when someone (like myself) points this out, it generates vitreal and push back because the status quo has inertia behind it.

[jimjamuser]

Nearly all the major civilizations of the past crumbled due to mass migrations into wealthy cities following dramatic climate change -- all when CO2 levels were far far less than today. Bye the way, those dramatic climate changes of the past -- they were global cooling events. It's called climate history -- which apparently is no longer taught.
Science classes are harder than business classes and scientists get paid less. --------There one more thing that we can agree on. Cumbiya

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Co2 was basically in control about 15 years ago then population grew and factories and automobile around the world started spewing out CO2 , apparently in excess of what the oceans (and trees) could absorb. The end result is HEAT REFLECTED BACK TO THE eARTH AND THE record TEMPERATURES. Note-----July 22 2024 was the Earths hottest ever recorded day ! YES, more trees would help but more population is demanding more trees get cut down. And when someone (like myself) points this out, it generates vitreal and push back because the status quo has inertia behind it.

Again ... how much did man-made CO2 warm the earth last year? Unless you can say -- your claims of climate disaster are unfounded. It's not about vitriol -- it's about data.

[golfing eagles]

Finally, something that makes sense and that I can partially agree with.I have simply stated what I have read and how I disagree with the gentleman from our local Climate Club. People living in Florida must individually decide what action they take. If they believe that warming is happening and they can afford it and are relatively young - I would advise that they look at the graph of temperature rise worldwide and in Florida and some probably would be better off to find a retirement community to the North of Florida. There is a smaller but nice one (with a golf course) near Crossville, Tn. But, either way my thesis is that in 5 years at this present HEATING rate Florida will be TOTALLY UNPLEASANT to live in the summer and the hurricanes and tornadoes will be super dangerous here in Florida.
......But maybe the Villages Climate Club is right and I am wrong. Better at least, to be warned than ignore the subject, which many are doing !!!!!!!!!

Is that like "The polar ice caps will be gone by 2010"---Al Gore

I think I'll wait to see if your prediction is correct before moving----and then it will quite a bit north of north Florida :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jimjamuser]

Again ... how much did man-made CO2 warm the earth last year? Unless you can say -- your claims of climate disaster are unfounded. It's not about vitriol -- it's about data.
It is not so much me, myself claiming climate disaster. I have just read that from science articles. By now, it is common knowledge. We all know that the Coral reefs are dying. we all know that the Arctic Ocean ice has all melted. And the icebergs in Antarctica are melting. Scientists say that the polar ice melting has caused the ocean water to build up around the equator and has changed the spin timing of the Earth by a tiny, tiny part of a second. But scientists are worried that they don't know what that long-term effect will be.

[jimjamuser]

Is that like "The polar ice caps will be gone by 2010"---Al Gore

I think I'll wait to see if your prediction is correct before moving----and then it will quite a bit north of north Florida :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
I never understood the sheer hatred of Al Gore. But the 1st famous person to initiate the idea of Global Warming would catch a lot of heat. 2010 isn't THAT long ago and the northern polar ice is almost gone. So on a generous time scale Al Gore was right. Anyway he just served as an early warning of what was coming and IS here now. We have Coral reef destruction. July 22. 2024 WAS the Earth's hottest day in records. The last 15 years have had RECORD world heat. So many unusual things already. Is it not logical that those will continue. They are making MORE not less gasoline and diesel vehicles in the world to satisfy the world's upward spiking population growth. How can we tell India to stop their population? And Africa and South America, which is moving northward from Venezuela even as we speak !!!! !!!!!!

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It is not so much me, myself claiming climate disaster. I have just read that from science articles. By now, it is common knowledge. We all know that the Coral reefs are dying. we all know that the Arctic Ocean ice has all melted. And the icebergs in Antarctica are melting. Scientists say that the polar ice melting has caused the ocean water to build up around the equator and has changed the spin timing of the Earth by a tiny, tiny part of a second. But scientists are worried that they don't know what that long-term effect will be.

Common knowledge? Ok then ... tell me the commonly known value of how much man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year.

[golfing eagles]

I never understood the sheer hatred of Al Gore. But the 1st famous person to initiate the idea of Global Warming would catch a lot of heat. ...........!

Easily understood---He won a Nobel Prize for being an idiot----Any prize he could win should have come from a Cracker Jack box.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jimjamuser]

Easily understood---He won a Nobel Prize for being an idiot----Any prize he could win should have come from a Cracker Jack box.:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
OK then, we can agree that Al Gore is a VERY polarizing American historic figure.

[LeRoySmith]

OK then, we can agree that Al Gore is a VERY polarizing American historic figure.

he invented the internet, leave him alone

[golfing eagles]

OK then, we can agree that Al Gore is a VERY polarizing American historic figure.

Actually, I think I'll stick with idiot:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: