Fire Chief Charged w/Felony Against Cyclist

[Topgun 1776]

Please watch this video of an off duty FL fire chief committing a felony against a cyclist...

Fla. fire chief seen in road rage video resigns (https://www.firerescue1.com/fire-chief/fla-fire-chief-seen-in-road-rage-video-resigns)


Regarding cyclists on Florida roadways:

In Florida, a bicycle is legally defined as a vehicle and has all of the privileges, rights and responsibilities on public roads, except for expressways, that a motor vehicle operator does, according to the Florida Department of Highway Safety.

Many Villagers are from many other States that don't recognize cyclists having the entire lane of road and rights to that road as we do in Florida.

[Laker14]

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[golfing eagles]

Please watch this video of an off duty FL fire chief committing a felony against a cyclist...

Fla. fire chief seen in road rage video resigns (https://www.firerescue1.com/fire-chief/fla-fire-chief-seen-in-road-rage-video-resigns)


Regarding cyclists on Florida roadways:

In Florida, a bicycle is legally defined as a vehicle and has all of the privileges, rights and responsibilities on public roads, except for expressways, that a motor vehicle operator does, according to the Florida Department of Highway Safety.

Many Villagers are from many other States that don't recognize cyclists having the entire lane of road and rights to that road as we do in Florida.

Unfortunately, at least here in TV, the cyclists focus on THEIR privileges and rights, but NOT their responsibilities. This would include stopping at stop signs, yielding at yield signs, and not treating a pack of 20 as if they were one entity among other things. When challenged on this site, they often reply that carts and cars do the same thing. A case of 2 wrongs making a right???? The other excuse is that it is inconvenient because they would have to take their foot out of their toe clips to come to a stop. AWW, too bad baby. I have to stop at a stop sign, even when it is "inconvenient", and it is among the responsibilities of a cyclist as well.

There is no excuse for this fire chief (ex-fire chief), but let's not discuss cyclist's "rights" without discussing their responsibilities.

[gorillarick]

Unfortunately, at least here in TV, the cyclists focus on THEIR privileges and rights, but NOT their responsibilities. This would include stopping at stop signs, yielding at yield signs, and not treating a pack of 20 as if they were one entity among other things. When challenged on this site, they often reply that carts and cars do the same thing. A case of 2 wrongs making a right???? The other excuse is that it is inconvenient because they would have to take their foot out of their toe clips to come to a stop. AWW, too bad baby. I have to stop at a stop sign, even when it is "inconvenient", and it is among the responsibilities of a cyclist as well.

There is no excuse for this fire chief (ex-fire chief), but let's not discuss cyclist's "rights" without discussing their responsibilities.
And you stop at all stop signs - like all cars making a right?
This includes golf carts.

Yeah, I'm ready for everyone to stop at stop signs.

[Marathon Man]

Here we go again. A lot of people in TV hate bike riders. They are already taking the conversation to stop signs. Topgun, these folks are not going to change.

[Number 10 GI]

And you stop at all stop signs - like all cars making a right?
This includes golf carts.

Yeah, I'm ready for everyone to stop at stop signs.

This sounds like projection to me.

Projection | Psychology Today (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/projection)

I always stop at stop signs, I don't roll through or totally ignore them.

[golfing eagles]

And you stop at all stop signs - like all cars making a right?
This includes golf carts.

Yeah, I'm ready for everyone to stop at stop signs.

Thank you for making my point about cyclist’s excuses for ignoring the law

[fdpaq0580]

Unfortunately, at least here in TV, the cyclists focus on THEIR privileges and rights, but NOT their responsibilities. This would include stopping at stop signs, yielding at yield signs, and not treating a pack of 20 as if they were one entity among other things. When challenged on this site, they often reply that carts and cars do the same thing. A case of 2 wrongs making a right???? The other excuse is that it is inconvenient because they would have to take their foot out of their toe clips to come to a stop. AWW, too bad baby. I have to stop at a stop sign, even when it is "inconvenient", and it is among the responsibilities of a cyclist as well.

There is no excuse for this fire chief (ex-fire chief), but let's not discuss cyclist's "rights" without discussing their responsibilities.

Wish I had said all that. Excellent!

[dtennent]

Unfortunately, at least here in TV, the cyclists focus on THEIR privileges and rights, but NOT their responsibilities. This would include stopping at stop signs, yielding at yield signs, and not treating a pack of 20 as if they were one entity among other things. When challenged on this site, they often reply that carts and cars do the same thing. A case of 2 wrongs making a right???? The other excuse is that it is inconvenient because they would have to take their foot out of their toe clips to come to a stop. AWW, too bad baby. I have to stop at a stop sign, even when it is "inconvenient", and it is among the responsibilities of a cyclist as well.

There is no excuse for this fire chief (ex-fire chief), but let's not discuss cyclist's "rights" without discussing their responsibilities.

Are you saying that you make a complete stop at every stop sign in both your car and your golf cart? Then, congratulations! You are the only person that I know who actually does.

[thelegges]

Are you saying that you make a complete stop at every stop sign in both your car and your golf cart? Then, congratulations! You are the only person that I know who actually does.

There are many who stop at those red signs. Have to admit Tuesday, at LSL I stopped and 5 bikes blew past me, like sign wasn’t there.
Someone deserve thanks to these who chose to pass my car, narrowly getting missed by the car who was already legally moving forward, into intersection, From left. They jammed on their brakes to miss “the I don’t ������ and dare you to hit me.”. One day someone isn’t going to stop in time, and guess who’s calling Morgan & Morgan. Hopefully the witnesses will be abundant.

Have to say scared the crap out of the other driver, me not so much, not the first time but one day may be the last for the 5, who chose poorly

[golfing eagles]

Are you saying that you make a complete stop at every stop sign in both your car and your golf cart? Then, congratulations! You are the only person that I know who actually does.

And now we have a second person proving my point. Maybe I should review since perhaps my post was too complicated. Part of it was that instead of following the law and stopping when required to do so they make the lame excuse that some carts and cars don’t stop either. I thought when I followed it with “so two wrongs make a right” it would be clear, but I guess I was wrong
And one other point: cars and carts may roll through a stop a little, but cyclists blow through them at full speed like they aren’t even there

[fdpaq0580]

Are you saying that you make a complete stop at every stop sign in both your car and your golf cart? Then, congratulations! You are the only person that I know who actually does.

Now you know one more. As Mom used to say, "Just because your friends jump off a bridge doesn't mean you should do it to." There is what some people do. Then there is what is right and legal.

[Bill14564]

And now we have a second person proving my point. Maybe I should review since perhaps my post was too complicated. Part of it was that instead of following the law and stopping when required to do so they make the lame excuse that some carts and cars don’t stop either. I thought when I followed it with “so two wrongs make a right” it would be clear, but I guess I was wrong
And one other point: cars and carts may roll through a stop a little, but cyclists blow through them at full speed like they aren’t even there

Exactly this!

[gorillarick]

I think we should be addressing everyone not stopping at stop signs.

I ride my bike in the golf cart / bike lane. I wish I had $10 for every time a cart or car stopped well into the car/bike lane, I'd take a European vacation.

Yeah, I know you were planning on running thru the stop sign. Will you run thru stop signs after you kill someone ?

[golfing eagles]

I think we should be addressing everyone not stopping at stop signs.

I ride my bike in the golf cart / bike lane. I wish I had $10 for every time a cart or car stopped well into the car/bike lane, I'd take a European vacation.

Yeah, I know you were planning on running thru the stop sign. Will you run thru stop signs after you kill someone ?

And yet more deflection away from the topic of cyclist's responsibilities to obey traffic laws. Note how there is never an admission that some cyclists just blow through stop and yield signs----just pointing their fingers at carts and cars that might not come to a complete stop. Just continued whining about having to take feet out of toe clips. Never "I run stop signs all the time because stopping is inconvenient".

[Topgun 1776]

You're missing the point. To say any of us are without sin in the driving or cycling arena....would be pointless. The point is there are people that take aggressive action intimidating and threatening cyclists because they don't like them being there. It has absolutely nothing to do with running stop sign or not. I've had beer bottles thrown at me for simply going straight down the roadway, minding my own business. If ANYONE takes these threatening actions against a cyclist, they can be arrested and charged with possible civil suits brought against them as well. A cyclist going through a stop sign is wrong....yes. If he is hit by a motorist because he ran the stop sign, it's the same as any other traffic accident and the cyclist should be held accountable. But, motorists making threats or deliberately harming or endangering cyclists...regardless of how you feel about them...can and most likely
will be used against you in court ..after you get out of jail for road rage or worse.
One last example....while driving, you see another motorist run through a stop sign. He doesn't hit you, but you are ticked off because he ran the stop sign. A few moments later, you pull up next to him. You scream at and threaten him. Guess who gets to go to jail for road rage?
There is anger and excuses made about threatening cyclists everyday. No matter if we do everything right or not. You don't like us on the roadway....we get it. Just remember, we all have cell phones and a good deal of us have GoPros. As in the case of the Fire Chief, a witness caught the action on his cell phone.
My intent is to inform those that don't know the cyclists' rights to the road in Florida are different than some States.
Whether motorists respect those rights or not, can make their life much more complicated.

[golfing eagles]

You're missing the point. To say any of us are without sin in the driving or cycling arena....would be pointless. The point is there are people that take aggressive action intimidating and threatening cyclists because they don't like them being there. It has absolutely nothing to do with running stop sign or not. I've had beer bottles thrown at me for simply going straight down the roadway, minding my own business. If ANYONE takes these threatening actions against a cyclist, they can be arrested and charged with possible civil suits brought against them as well. A cyclist going through a stop sign is wrong....yes. If he is hit by a motorist because he ran the stop sign, it's the same as any other traffic accident and the cyclist should be held accountable. But, motorists making threats or deliberately harming or endangering cyclists...regardless of how you feel about them...can and most likely
will be used against you in court ..after you get out of jail for road rage or worse.
One last example....while driving, you see another motorist run through a stop sign. He doesn't hit you, but you are ticked off because he ran the stop sign. A few moments later, you pull up next to him. You scream at and threaten him. Guess who gets to go to jail for road rage?
There is anger and excuses made about threatening cyclists everyday. No matter if we do everything right or not. You don't like us on the roadway....we get it. Just remember, we all have cell phones and a good deal of us have GoPros. As in the case of the Fire Chief, a witness caught the action on his cell phone.
My intent is to inform those that don't know the cyclists' rights to the road in Florida are different than some States.
Whether motorists respect those rights or not, can make their life much more complicated.

No, that IS NOT the point. It has already been stated that there is no excuse for threatening behavior directed by carts and cars against cyclists.

THE POINT is that some (not all) cyclists get on their "high horse" (so to speak) and lecture everyone about THEIR rights and seem to know every little nuance of the law that applies to what they can do and what motorists carts have to do, but when it comes to THEIR responsibilities they feel they can flaunt the traffic laws for their own convenience. Then, when challenged, the almost unanimous response is "well, cars and carts roll through stop sign too". Never an acknowledgement that the law applies to THEM, and THEY are required to stop at stop signs, yield at yield signs, not travel in a group of 20 as if they were one entity and worse of all blow right around an entrance gate when a crossing cart's view is blocked by the gatehouse and that driver must rely on the gate being down to know it is safe to cross.

THAT is the point.