New record lows and near record lows this morning 5 AM

[CoachKandSportsguy]

https://x.com/MikeZaccardi/status/1826572582100815928

I can't post screenshots so one will have to click on the link

The earth wobbles and weather is random. . and the magnetic poles are on the move!

[golfing eagles]

https://x.com/MikeZaccardi/status/1826572582100815928

I can't post screenshots so one will have to click on the link

The earth wobbles and weather is random. . and the magnetic poles are on the move!

And this is why the gullible and indoctrinated changed it from "global warming" to "climate change". Then, all you have to do, is believe that the same CO2 emissions can cause BOTH warming and cooling, maybe even at the same time :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
And I'm sure they have some excuse for this.

[LeRoySmith]

And this is why the gullible and indoctrinated changed it from "global warming" to "climate change". Then, all you have to do, is believe that the same CO2 emissions can cause BOTH warming and cooling, maybe even at the same time :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
And I'm sure they have some excuse for this.

its 54 in the cumberland hills this morning, chilly

[Normal]

And this is why the gullible and indoctrinated changed it from "global warming" to "climate change". Then, all you have to do, is believe that the same CO2 emissions can cause BOTH warming and cooling, maybe even at the same time :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
And I'm sure they have some excuse for this.

It’s all about economic flow and the favor of money going in their direction.

[tophcfa]

The min max thermometer says it hit 48 degrees last night on Norwich Hill

[fdpaq0580]

And this is why the gullible and indoctrinated changed it from "global warming" to "climate change". Then, all you have to do, is believe that the same CO2 emissions can cause BOTH warming and cooling, maybe even at the same time :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
And I'm sure they have some excuse for this.

"Gullible and indoctrinated"? What possibly could that mean? 🙈🙉🙊

[fdpaq0580]

The min max thermometer says it hit 48 degrees last night on Norwich Hill

25 df in my freezer. 350 df in my oven. 78 df in my living room. Guess it depends on where, when and what you measure.

[golfing eagles]

"Gullible and indoctrinated"? What possibly could that mean? ������������������

Well, it DOESN'T mean well versed in paleoclimatology :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[biker1]

There was a surface high with no wind, clear skies, and low dewpoints. Those conditions lead to radiational cooling down to the dewpoint.


https://x.com/MikeZaccardi/status/1826572582100815928

I can't post screenshots so one will have to click on the link

The earth wobbles and weather is random. . and the magnetic poles are on the move!

[fdpaq0580]

Well, it DOESN'T mean well versed in paleoclimatology :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

You must be at Burger King cuz you think it's going your way. 😃 Sorry! Global warming is real. And, human activities have had a negative impact on it and it is speeding up.
Also, the sky isn't falling and Santa Claus and the Easter bunny don't exist. And, the Earth is not flat, but my butt is. Tmi? 🙈🙈🙈

[JMintzer]

You must be at Burger King cuz you think it's going your way. 😃 Sorry! Global warming is real. And, human activities have had a negative impact on it and it is speeding up.
Also, the sky isn't falling and Santa Claus and the Easter bunny don't exist. And, the Earth is not flat, but my butt is. Tmi? 🙈🙈🙈

And... We're off!

[LeRoySmith]

but my butt is

You're perfect just the way you are

[MorTech]

You must be at Burger King cuz you think it's going your way. ������ Sorry! Global warming is real. And, human activities have had a negative impact on it and it is speeding up.
Also, the sky isn't falling and Santa Claus and the Easter bunny don't exist. And, the Earth is not flat, but my butt is. Tmi? ����������������� ��

Sorry! Alrighty then...You just convinced me with this. Sorry! We all defer to your PhD in Physics :) Again...Sorry!

[golfing eagles]

You must be at Burger King cuz you think it's going your way. 😃 Sorry! Global warming is real. And, human activities have had a negative impact on it and it is speeding up.
Also, the sky isn't falling and Santa Claus and the Easter bunny don't exist. And, the Earth is not flat, but my butt is. Tmi? 🙈🙈🙈

Global warming is real. It started about 20,000 years ago, this cycle, and a dozen or more times in the previous 4.5 million years.

However, "human activities" have had zero to a negligible effect on these cycles driven by the power of the sun and Earth's orbit. No, I don't think there is any evidence that Fred Flintstone drove a SUV.

And I like Burger King!!!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Normal]

Global warming is real. It started about 20,000 years ago, this cycle, and a dozen or more times in the previous 4.5 million years.

However, "human activities" have had zero to a negligible effect on these cycles driven by the power of the sun and Earth's orbit. No, I don't think there is any evidence that Fred Flintstone drove a SUV.

And I like Burger King!!!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

180 million years ago the Earth was much warmer. Dinosaurs liked it that way. But then we have had many cooler periods too. Up to 6 different ice ages have been recorded by geologists through various means.

[Caymus]

How soon will "The Villages" expand to Greenland or Manitoba?

[crash]

https://x.com/MikeZaccardi/status/1826572582100815928

I can't post screenshots so one will have to click on the link

The earth wobbles and weather is random. . and the magnetic poles are on the move!
Of course it has nothing to do with the front that is stalled right over central Florida. You are talking weather not climate. Short issue weather long time change climate.

[Beyond The Wall]

[QUOTE=fdpaq0580;2363038]You must be at Burger King cuz you think it's going your way. 😃 Sorry! Global warming is real. And, human activities have had a negative impact on it and it is speeding up.

The earth warms and cools all by it self. Man has nothin to do with it .
Events like these contribute greatly

https://x.com/drelidavid/status/1825619741957894272?s=61&t=sQAWT5ch6nqvP_33QnrUyg

And this

https://x.com/_climatecraze/status/1826797227878289570?s=61&t=sQAWT5ch6nqvP_33QnrUyg

[jarodrig]

https://x.com/MikeZaccardi/status/1826572582100815928

I can't post screenshots so one will have to click on the link

The earth wobbles and weather is random. . and the magnetic poles are on the move!

Why can’t you post screenshots ? Here is a screenshot of your post ….

[Caymus]

[QUOTE=fdpaq0580;2363038]You must be at Burger King cuz you think it's going your way. 😃 Sorry! Global warming is real. And, human activities have had a negative impact on it and it is speeding up.

The earth warms and cools all by it self. Man has nothin to do with it .
Events like these contribute greatly

https://x.com/drelidavid/status/1825619741957894272?s=61&t=sQAWT5ch6nqvP_33QnrUyg

And this

https://x.com/_climatecraze/status/1826797227878289570?s=61&t=sQAWT5ch6nqvP_33QnrUyg

Are implying that "man" was not responsible for the end of the ice age?:angel:

[CybrSage]

You must be at Burger King cuz you think it's going your way. 😃 Sorry! Global warming is real. And, human activities have had a negative impact on it and it is speeding up.


Out of curiosity, how much of the warming is caused by humans and how much is caused by the natural cycles that would be warming the planet even if humans never existed?
This is important, since I'd it is 1%, nothing we do will change anything, but at 99%, we should ruin lives and causes misery and woe to fix it
Any idea?

[CybrSage]

How soon will "The Villages" expand to Greenland or Manitoba?

Now you've done it...expect a golf car path there any day now...
Dang you, dang you to heck, you poopie face!!!

[opinionist]

There is human-engineered "climate change" through geoengineering.
They spray aerosols into the stratosphere to control the weather.
You can see the chemtrails in the sky if you look for them.
The scam is they want carbon taxes to "fix" climate change.
They could stop the geoengineering, but they want the carbon taxes.

[sounding]

https://x.com/MikeZaccardi/status/1826572582100815928

I can't post screenshots so one will have to click on the link

The earth wobbles and weather is random. . and the magnetic poles are on the move!

There is a reason why all this cooling (including the Rocky snows, Atlantic cooling, African cooling, etc) is happening in the middle of summer -- and so far the media will not talk about it. Therefore, this will be discussed August 26 at 1 PM at Bridgeport -- for the Science & Technology Club meeting.

[fdpaq0580]

[QUOTE=Beyond The Wall;2363147]

Are implying that "man" was not responsible for the end of the ice age?:angel:

True. Clutching at irrelevant straws that some, who won't look farther, will accept as evidence that supports the narrative they like. 🫠

[Windguy]

It boggles my mind that so many people do not understand the difference between climate and weather. Weather is a stochastic (random) process that goes up and down around the climate trend. Just because it’s hot or cold on a given day is no indication of a change in the trend.

[golfing eagles]

[QUOTE=Caymus;2363153]

True. Clutching at irrelevant straws that some, who won't look farther, will accept as evidence that supports the narrative they like. 🫠

Let's see:

The Earth started warming 20,000 years before humans even discovered fossil fuels. Ice 2 miles thick covering much of the Northern Hemisphere melted, most glaciers receded and whatever coastal cities that were built are now underwater.

I'd say that all of that occurring without any human activity is VERY RELEVANT

[fdpaq0580]

Out of curiosity, how much of the warming is caused by humans and how much is caused by the natural cycles that would be warming the planet even if humans never existed?
This is important, since I'd it is 1%, nothing we do will change anything, but at 99%, we should ruin lives and causes misery and woe to fix it
Any idea?

When you alter an ecosystem / change the environment, the climate will change. Since before the rise of the industrial revolution mankind has been disrupting ecosystems in small ways. But since the industrial revolution, with population soaring and ever increasing destruction of habitats, terraforming, pollution and more, it is undeniable. Yet, there are those will try. Like the kids who broke a window, they will deny they had anything to do with it. Then they will ask if they can have their ball back.

[LeRoySmith]

I think the trouble with conversations like these is the widespread lack of trust we are experiencing. When I was a kid we trusted our teachers and schools, science, the press, elections etc.

Over the past 20 or 30 years so many of the things we thought were fact have been brought into question, some with very good evidence what we've been told is false. I don't know how or if we will ever get that trust (naivety) back. Trust lost is difficult to regain.

When we talk about climate change / global warming or any one of a thousand other topics the truth and the facts are all mixed in with the rhetoric. If the people giving us the facts are too invested in a particular outcome for them to be neutral and above question the questions come automatically.

I'd be happy to get on the climate change train as I think digging up and consuming fossil fuels is a poor long term plan. Some day, I think we will figure out a way to produce enough energy to sustain ourselves without burning oil and coal. Until that day burning fossil fuels (& nuclear) is the best option we have. Convince me you don't have a hidden agenda and maybe I'll give you a listen.

I don't think I've seen any clear evidence either way that's convincing enough for me to get on a chat/forum and tell people how wrong they are. I know what I think but I'm also very willing to admit I could be wrong in my beliefs.

[sounding]

When you alter an ecosystem / change the environment, the climate will change. Since before the rise of the industrial revolution mankind has been disrupting ecosystems in small ways. But since the industrial revolution, with population soaring and ever increasing destruction of habitats, terraforming, pollution and more, it is undeniable. Yet, there are those will try. Like the kids who broke a window, they will deny they had anything to do with it. Then they will ask if they can have their ball back.

Lots of narratives -- but no data. So, how much did "man-made" CO2 actually warm the earth last year?

[rsimpson]

Man's impact vs our Sun: - which factor do you think impacts Earth's climate more?

Sun’s energy output per second[ ≈ 3.8 x 10²⁶ joules.
Total energy consumption by humanity (all time) ≈ 10²³ to 10²⁴ joules.
The Sun produces more energy in a little more than one second than humans have ever generated or consumed in all of history.

[nn0wheremann]

https://x.com/MikeZaccardi/status/1826572582100815928

I can't post screenshots so one will have to click on the link

The earth wobbles and weather is random. . and the magnetic poles are on the move!
Hurricane Ernesto passed East of there, and a low pressure system sucks weather from it’s North neighbors as it passes by.

[spd2918]

Many scientists believe co2 increases with higher temps (i.e. co2 does not raise temps). But it is a number that can be tracked, fudged, and used to collect more taxs.

[sounding]

I think the trouble with conversations like these is the widespread lack of trust we are experiencing. When I was a kid we trusted our teachers and schools, science, the press, elections etc.

Over the past 20 or 30 years so many of the things we thought were fact have been brought into question, some with very good evidence what we've been told is false. I don't know how or if we will ever get that trust (naivety) back. Trust lost is difficult to regain.

When we talk about climate change / global warming or any one of a thousand other topics the truth and the facts are all mixed in with the rhetoric. If the people giving us the facts are too invested in a particular outcome for them to be neutral and above question the questions come automatically.

I'd be happy to get on the climate change train as I think digging up and consuming fossil fuels is a poor long term plan. Some day, I think we will figure out a way to produce enough energy to sustain ourselves without burning oil and coal. Until that day burning fossil fuels (& nuclear) is the best option we have. Convince me you don't have a hidden agenda and maybe I'll give you a listen.

I don't think I've seen any clear evidence either way that's convincing enough for me to get on a chat/forum and tell people how wrong they are. I know what I think but I'm also very willing to admit I could be wrong in my beliefs.

The "trust" was lost when the Nobel Prize became political when it started honoring people who made failed climate forecasts and failed climate models. Trust does not come from narratives, but from data, where each person can see and think for themselves. One example will be given about Tonga Volcano & Global Warming -- Aug 26 at 1 PM at Bridgeport. Other talks are listed here ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

[Taltarzac725]

Weather vs. pollution caused global warming.

[DrMack]

NASA tells me all I need to know. The Milankovitch cycle can’t be refuted. Science lays it out pretty clearly. We have an elliptical orbit with our sun. There are periods where we are closer and times when we are much farther from the star. For myself, I kind of wonder how some go so far off the beaten path to tout their suspicions that are sometimes way off base.


Wait about 30,000 more years if you are into a cooler climate. The complete cycle is 100,000 years but our path will be a little farther from the sun then. For now, look to even warmer temperatures in our climate as the Earth still needs to orbit closer.

[LeRoySmith]

Wait about 30,000 more years if you are into a cooler climate.

My memory isn't great these days so I'll probably forget by then. That said I have kids and grandkids so I hope we figure it out pretty soon and stop being so inflammatory in these discussions and work towards the right action / solution.

[golfing eagles]

When you alter an ecosystem / change the environment, the climate will change. Since before the rise of the industrial revolution mankind has been disrupting ecosystems in small ways. But since the industrial revolution, with population soaring and ever increasing destruction of habitats, terraforming, pollution and more, it is undeniable. Yet, there are those will try. Like the kids who broke a window, they will deny they had anything to do with it. Then they will ask if they can have their ball back.

That's just serving up a softball :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

To continue that analogy, the window is in a 60 story, 2000-unit high-rise apartment building, and yes, the kid (human use of fossil fuels) did MINIMAL damage by breaking one of 4,000 windows. Of course, the demolition crew with 3 tons of dynamite used repetitively over 20,000 years (the sun, Earth's orbit, underwater volcanos, etc.) are the ones responsible for 99.99999999% of the changes.

Thanks, that was easy.

[golfing eagles]

Man's impact vs our Sun: - which factor do you think impacts Earth's climate more?

Sun’s energy output per second[ ≈ 3.8 x 10²⁶ joules.
Total energy consumption by humanity (all time) ≈ 10²³ to 10²⁴ joules.
The Sun produces more energy in a little more than one second than humans have ever generated or consumed in all of history.

Again, please don't confuse the gullible and indoctrinated with THE FACTS.

[DrMack]

My memory isn't great these days so I'll probably forget by then. That said I have kids and grandkids so I hope we figure it out pretty soon and stop being so inflammatory in these discussions and work towards the right action / solution.

I believe human beings will endure, they will just have adapt and many living near the ocean will need to relocate to more climate resilient terrain. Meanwhile the con artists will be looking for opportunities to capitalize on short sightedness selling their snake oils for the quick buck. Human nature also seems to press on.

[golfing eagles]

I believe human beings will endure, they will just have adapt and many living near the ocean will need to relocate to more climate resilient terrain. Meanwhile the con artists will be looking for opportunities to capitalize on short sightedness selling their snake oils for the quick buck. Human nature also seems to press on.

I agree. But remember, the only way these snake oil salesmen (global warming caused by human activity proponents) can cash in is by somehow making the normal global warming cycle seem to be the result of human activity, claim it is imminent rather than 30,000 years away, and convince the gullible that we can "fight" it by spending the $168 TRILLION that the Paris accords would cost. Oh, Al, I see the ice caps did not disappear in 2010.

[sounding]

NASA tells me all I need to know. The Milankovitch cycle can’t be refuted. Science lays it out pretty clearly. We have an elliptical orbit with our sun. There are periods where we are closer and times when we are much farther from the star. For myself, I kind of wonder how some go so far off the beaten path to tout their suspicions that are sometimes way off base.

Wait about 30,000 more years if you are into a cooler climate. The complete cycle is 100,000 years but our path will be a little farther from the sun then. For now, look to even warmer temperatures in our climate as the Earth still needs to orbit closer.

Sorry, Milankovitch cycle theory is incomplete. The reasons are discussed and illustrated at the Weather Club's "Pleistocene" talk. Note: the period between Interglacial Warm Periods are getting longer, and the Glaciations are getting colder, which Milankovitch does not explain. This is the real climate change problem, which the media will not talk about, but is talked about here ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

[Bill14564]

NASA tells me all I need to know. The Milankovitch cycle can’t be refuted. Science lays it out pretty clearly. We have an elliptical orbit with our sun. There are periods where we are closer and times when we are much farther from the star. For myself, I kind of wonder how some go so far off the beaten path to tout their suspicions that are sometimes way off base.

...


That's a refreshing viewpoint. From NASA's site on climate change (https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/):
There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming at an unprecedented rate. Human activity is the principal cause.


Man's impact vs our Sun: - which factor do you think impacts Earth's climate more?

Sun’s energy output per second[ ≈ 3.8 x 10²⁶ joules.
Total energy consumption by humanity (all time) ≈ 10²³ to 10²⁴ joules.
The Sun produces more energy in a little more than one second than humans have ever generated or consumed in all of history.

I have a sizeable piece of aluminum on my lanai. On bright, sunny days it is hot to the touch while on cloudy days it is just warm and at night, without the sun, it is cool to the touch. Clearly, all that energy from the sun is having an effect. However, add a little fossil fuel and the piece of aluminum will get hot enough to take the skin off my hand. No matter how large the contribution from the sun, a little man-made input can make a difference.

I have not seen one comment ever that denied paleoclimatology or Milankovitch cycles. I have not seen one comment ever that claimed that the only influence on climate was man made. Y'all want to argue that size matters and yours is bigger than mine but no climate scientist claims otherwise.

[BTburton]

“Whether” you believe in climate change, which oh, BTW, we experience every day and have been since the beginning of time, OR global warming or anything else the elite, gaslighting, globalists call it, there is absolutely nothing any of us can do about it. There’s only one God, and He knows.

[golfing eagles]

That's a refreshing viewpoint. From NASA's site on climate change (https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/):
There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming at an unprecedented rate. Human activity is the principal cause.




I have a sizeable piece of aluminum on my lanai. On bright, sunny days it is hot to the touch while on cloudy days it is just warm and at night, without the sun, it is cool to the touch. Clearly, all that energy from the sun is having an effect. However, add a little fossil fuel and the piece of aluminum will get hot enough to take the skin off my hand. No matter how large the contribution from the sun, a little man-made input can make a difference.

I have not seen one comment ever that denied paleoclimatology or Milankovitch cycles. I have not seen one comment ever that claimed that the only influence on climate was man made. Y'all want to argue that size matters and yours is bigger than mine but no climate scientist claims otherwise.

OMG---where do I start?

OK, start with NASA.
A government agency 100% dependent on the budget made by a government that espouses anthropomorphic climate change. What a surprise that they concur with that myth. No different than the "95% of climatologists" who are forced to dance to that same tune. The more accurate statement would be that 100% of marionettes are controlled by the puppet masters that hold the strings. Case closed :spoken:

Now, that aluminum fallacy:

A classic apples/oranges error.
A "sizeable" piece of aluminum? how big? 10 sq. ft.? 20? 50? Just to prove a point, I'll give you 100. And it's noted that exposure to the sun warms it. Of course. But note the surface area of the Earth is just over 5.6 TRILLION sq. ft. That's the comparison being made???? Then, note that burning "a little" fossil fuel, presumably on only a few square feet makes it very hot. The equivalent in that fallacy is that you would have to burn about 1 trillion times that amount of fossil fuel to get the same effect on the Earth. Again, case closed, :spoken:

[golfing eagles]

“Whether” you believe in climate change, which oh, BTW, we experience every day and have been since the beginning of time, OR global warming or anything else the elite, gaslighting, globalists call it, there is absolutely nothing any of us can do about it. There’s only one God, and He knows.

Yes, but the climate change enthusiasts believe his name is "Gore":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[fdpaq0580]

Man's impact vs our Sun: - which factor do you think impacts Earth's climate more?

Sun’s energy output per second[ ≈ 3.8 x 10²⁶ joules.
Total energy consumption by humanity (all time) ≈ 10²³ to 10²⁴ joules.
The Sun produces more energy in a little more than one second than humans have ever generated or consumed in all of history.

It all adds up. One penny separates a millionaire from a billionaire. 🫠

[fdpaq0580]

Yes, but the climate change enthusiasts believe his name is "Gore":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Sorry. You're wrong. Only one of many voices spreading the news. Not even a minor prophet.

[Sandabern]

Hush now… Don’t expect to get an answer to a specific question… That would ruin the argument… Just accept “The scientists said so…”

In other words, the people who have the most direct financial interest in this, who really have no specific data and produce continual studies that contradict each other SAID SO… Accept it, minions!!!

I won’t even bring up “50/50” Tony Fauci who basically is about as scientifically accurate in his predictions as a monkey throwing a dart at a board. And his 50/50 track record dates back long before 2019. See what he had to say about AIDS back in the day. He couldn’t keep his story straight then either… Anyway… Just don’t question the scientists… They know everything…

Lots of narratives -- but no data. So, how much did "man-made" CO2 actually warm the earth last year?

[fdpaq0580]

Weather vs. pollution caused global warming.

Apples and oranges. They can both be part of the "fruit salad" we call climate.

[golfing eagles]

Hush now… Don’t expect to get an answer to a specific question… That would ruin the argument… Just accept “The scientists said so…”

In other words, the people who have the most direct financial interest in this, who really have no specific data and produce continual studies that contradict each other SAID SO… Accept it, minions!!!

I won’t even bring up “50/50” Tony Fauci who basically is about as scientifically accurate in his predictions as a monkey throwing a dart at a board. And his 50/50 track record dates back long before 2019. See what he had to say about AIDS back in the day. He couldn’t keep his story straight then either… Anyway… Just don’t question the scientists… They know everything…

Unfortunately, the minions HAVE accepted it---and there are far too many of them---which is surprising since the bell curve of the standard intelligence test predicts only 2.5% of the population has an IQ less than 70.

[sounding]

A quick note about Lightning ... Len Hathaway, the Villages Lightning Group coordinator, is scheduled to give his excellent Lightning talk today, Aug 23 at 4 PM at Lake Miona -- for the Philosophy Club. If you don't have lightning rods on your house -- you are in danger -- especially if you have gas lines in your attic.

[fdpaq0580]

Many scientists believe co2 increases with higher temps (i.e. co2 does not raise temps). But it is a number that can be tracked, fudged, and used to collect more taxs.

Just a thought here. Maybe the focus on Co2 is missing the bigger picture of what/how the co2 mixes with and effects all the other components contributing to higher temps. Like one ingredient in a complicated recipe. No one thing is responsible for Global Warming.

[fdpaq0580]

My memory isn't great these days so I'll probably forget by then. That said I have kids and grandkids so I hope we figure it out pretty soon and stop being so inflammatory in these discussions and work towards the right action / solution.

Wisdom! Science is our best bet to find the answers we need. 👨*🎓👩*🎓🧑*🎓👨*🍳👩*🍳👨* 🔬👩*🔬

[fdpaq0580]

That's just serving up a softball :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

To continue that analogy, the window is in a 60 story, 2000-unit high-rise apartment building, and yes, the kid (human use of fossil fuels) did MINIMAL damage by breaking one of 4,000 windows. Of course, the demolition crew with 3 tons of dynamite used repetitively over 20,000 years (the sun, Earth's orbit, underwater volcanos, etc.) are the ones responsible for 99.99999999% of the changes.

Thanks, that was easy.

Not the same by even the biggest stretch of the imagination. But, then, you already knew that. Interesting story though. 🫠

[fdpaq0580]

Again, please don't confuse the gullible and indoctrinated with THE FACTS.

Don't be so hard on yourself. 👲

[spd2918]

Sorry. You're wrong. Only one of many voices spreading the news. Not even a minor prophet.

You correctly termed Gore as a "prophet," as Global Cooling / Global Warming / Climate Change is a religion. There have been many doomsday cults in world history; this is but the latest.

Gore was enamored with Roger Revelle, the founder of the Global Warming Church. Revelle himself, before his death, said there was too little evidence to mandate drastic changes:

"The scientific base for a greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify drastic action at this time."

Prophet Gore, to his credit, figured out a way to use doomsday predictions to extract money from both followers and governments.

[fdpaq0580]

OMG---where do I start?

OK, start with NASA.
A government agency 100% dependent on the budget made by a government that espouses anthropomorphic climate change. What a surprise that they concur with that myth. No different than the "95% of climatologists" who are forced to dance to that same tune. The more accurate statement would be that 100% of marionettes are controlled by the puppet masters that hold the strings. Case closed :spoken:

Now, that aluminum fallacy:

A classic apples/oranges error.
A "sizeable" piece of aluminum? how big? 10 sq. ft.? 20? 50? Just to prove a point, I'll give you 100. And it's noted that exposure to the sun warms it. Of course. But note the surface area of the Earth is just over 5.6 TRILLION sq. ft. That's the comparison being made???? Then, note that burning "a little" fossil fuel, presumably on only a few square feet makes it very hot. The equivalent in that fallacy is that you would have to burn about 1 trillion times that amount of fossil fuel to get the same effect on the Earth. Again, case closed, :spoken:

🤭🫢🫣 Oh, paleeze! The "case" is not closed. The investigations are still on going, and will be for a loong time. And the evidence is mounting and not going your way, no matter your claims to the contrary.

[fdpaq0580]

“There’s only one God, and He knows.

That seems to depend on who you ask. 🫠

[fdpaq0580]

You correctly termed Gore as a "prophet," as Global Cooling / Global Warming / Climate Change is a religion. There have been many doomsday cults in world history; this is but the latest.

Gore was enamored with Roger Revelle, the founder of the Global Warming Church. Revelle himself, before his death, said there was too little evidence to mandate drastic changes:

"The scientific base for a greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify drastic action at this time."

Prophet Gore, to his credit, figured out a way to use doomsday predictions to extract money from both followers and governments.

Your reading comprehension needs work. I did not term him a prophet. Not even a minor one. Just one of the many voices spreading the news. Maybe that is why you have gone down the wrong path? Just a thought.

[spd2918]

Your reading comprehension needs work. I did not term him a prophet. Not even a minor one. Just one of the many voices spreading the news. Maybe that is why you have gone down the wrong path? Just a thought.

You are True Believer.

[golfing eagles]

Not the same by even the biggest stretch of the imagination. But, then, you already knew that. Interesting story though. 🫠

I liked it

[jimjamuser]

https://x.com/MikeZaccardi/status/1826572582100815928

I can't post screenshots so one will have to click on the link

The earth wobbles and weather is random. . and the magnetic poles are on the move!
Yesterday Texas had 110 degree temperature which were all-time record HEAT and killed several Texans.

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Yesterday Texas had 110 degree temperature which were all-time record HEAT and killed several Texans.

Sorry JJ ... folks who attend The Weather Club know 120 (and not 110) was the max Texas temperature ... way way back when CO2 was way way lower. Chill.

[jimjamuser]

You must be at Burger King cuz you think it's going your way. 😃 Sorry! Global warming is real. And, human activities have had a negative impact on it and it is speeding up.
Also, the sky isn't falling and Santa Claus and the Easter bunny don't exist. And, the Earth is not flat, but my butt is. Tmi? 🙈🙈🙈
True facts about Global Warming. GW also causes climate unpredictability. The Ocean temperatures are more representative of Global Warming. Alaska has big problems - most of the crab fisherman nets are bringing up DEAD crabs due to ocean warming in that area. Around Florida the ocean water and Gulf are still warm. The cold temperatures recorded in the US recently could be related to the recent hurricane . Hurricanes are a mechanism of the Earth to equalize temperatures between North and South. I believe that Antarctica temperatures are now close to the all-time record. The melting glaciers will raise the ocean levels and eventually cause major problems for Miami. And the increase in Earths HEAT is a recent phenomenon (last 30 years). It has nothing to do with paleoclimatology or Earth wobble. It is all about CO2 from factories and the infernal combustion engines stuck in the upper atmosphere and the INCREASE in CO2 from larger Earth population in the last 30 years - leading to more CO2 emissions from industry and automobiles.

[jimjamuser]

Out of curiosity, how much of the warming is caused by humans and how much is caused by the natural cycles that would be warming the planet even if humans never existed?
This is important, since I'd it is 1%, nothing we do will change anything, but at 99%, we should ruin lives and causes misery and woe to fix it
Any idea?
Look at a graph of world population increase in the last 30 years and you will see a correlation to a graph of world temperature increase. Even a graph of ocean rise in last 30 years. They ALL say the same thing!!!!!!

[golfing eagles]

True facts about Global Warming. GW also causes climate unpredictability. The Ocean temperatures are more representative of Global Warming. Alaska has big problems - most of the crab fisherman nets are bringing up DEAD crabs due to ocean warming in that area. Around Florida the ocean water and Gulf are still warm. The cold temperatures recorded in the US recently could be related to the recent hurricane . Hurricanes are a mechanism of the Earth to equalize temperatures between North and South. I believe that Antarctica temperatures are now close to the all-time record. The melting glaciers will raise the ocean levels and eventually cause major problems for Miami. And the increase in Earths HEAT is a recent phenomenon (last 30 years). It has nothing to do with paleoclimatology or Earth wobble. It is all about CO2 from factories and the infernal combustion engines stuck in the upper atmosphere and the INCREASE in CO2 from larger Earth population in the last 30 years - leading to more CO2 emissions from industry and automobiles.

And somebody thinks all that is factual?

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1 rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[jimjamuser]

Global warming is real. It started about 20,000 years ago, this cycle, and a dozen or more times in the previous 4.5 million years.

However, "human activities" have had zero to a negligible effect on these cycles driven by the power of the sun and Earth's orbit. No, I don't think there is any evidence that Fred Flintstone drove a SUV.

And I like Burger King!!!:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
I prefer the fish sandwich because it is better for the environment and uses less land resources. Sorry, I could not resist.

[fdpaq0580]

You are True Believer.

Just the latest science.

[jimjamuser]

Out of curiosity, how much of the warming is caused by humans and how much is caused by the natural cycles that would be warming the planet even if humans never existed?
This is important, since I'd it is 1%, nothing we do will change anything, but at 99%, we should ruin lives and causes misery and woe to fix it
Any idea?
It is basically All caused by humans in the last 30 years. Check those graphs that I indicated.

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It is basically All caused by humans in the last 30 years. Check those graphs that I indicated.

Those graphs were manufactured using corrupted temperature data. The bias is obvious to those who dare to look. The Weather Club will expose this data fraud at next month's meeting ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

[jimjamuser]

When you alter an ecosystem / change the environment, the climate will change. Since before the rise of the industrial revolution mankind has been disrupting ecosystems in small ways. But since the industrial revolution, with population soaring and ever increasing destruction of habitats, terraforming, pollution and more, it is undeniable. Yet, there are those will try. Like the kids who broke a window, they will deny they had anything to do with it. Then they will ask if they can have their ball back.
Well stated! I agree completely.

[ThirdOfFive]

[QUOTE=fdpaq0580;2363171]

Let's see:

The Earth started warming 20,000 years before humans even discovered fossil fuels. Ice 2 miles thick covering much of the Northern Hemisphere melted, most glaciers receded and whatever coastal cities that were built are now underwater.

I'd say that all of that occurring without any human activity is VERY RELEVANT
Mammoth flatulence.

Everybody knows that.

[sounding]

It is basically All caused by humans in the last 30 years. Check those graphs that I indicated.

NONE of those graphs specify how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year. Why is that?

[LeRoySmith]

Those graphs were manufactured using corrupted temperature data. The bias is obvious to those who dare to look. The Weather Club will expose this data fraud at next month's meeting ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

Do you think it's a good idea for us to attend the weather club meeting?

[jimjamuser]

I think the trouble with conversations like these is the widespread lack of trust we are experiencing. When I was a kid we trusted our teachers and schools, science, the press, elections etc.

Over the past 20 or 30 years so many of the things we thought were fact have been brought into question, some with very good evidence what we've been told is false. I don't know how or if we will ever get that trust (naivety) back. Trust lost is difficult to regain.

When we talk about climate change / global warming or any one of a thousand other topics the truth and the facts are all mixed in with the rhetoric. If the people giving us the facts are too invested in a particular outcome for them to be neutral and above question the questions come automatically.

I'd be happy to get on the climate change train as I think digging up and consuming fossil fuels is a poor long term plan. Some day, I think we will figure out a way to produce enough energy to sustain ourselves without burning oil and coal. Until that day burning fossil fuels (& nuclear) is the best option we have. Convince me you don't have a hidden agenda and maybe I'll give you a listen.

I don't think I've seen any clear evidence either way that's convincing enough for me to get on a chat/forum and tell people how wrong they are. I know what I think but I'm also very willing to admit I could be wrong in my beliefs.
Look up a graph of earth temperatures on the scale of the last 30 years. Then compare it with a graph of world population for the last 30 years. And there is the evidence needed.

[fdpaq0580]

And somebody thinks all that is factual?

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1 rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Yes. I take it that you don't and think it is funny? Hmm.
🤔

[sounding]

Do you think it's a good idea for us to attend the weather club meeting?

You are welcome to survey its 458 registered members (not including spouses & friends) ... which grow after each meeting.

[jimjamuser]

The "trust" was lost when the Nobel Prize became political when it started honoring people who made failed climate forecasts and failed climate models. Trust does not come from narratives, but from data, where each person can see and think for themselves. One example will be given about Tonga Volcano & Global Warming -- Aug 26 at 1 PM at Bridgeport. Other talks are listed here ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)
The Tonga eruption has been PROVEN to NOT have a significant effect on Global temperatures . That is old outdated and disproved information.

[fdpaq0580]

Do you think it's a good idea for us to attend the weather club meeting?

Either that or a scientology meeting. Depends on what cult you want to join. That's just my opinion.

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The Tonga eruption has been PROVEN to NOT have a significant effect on Global temperatures . That is old outdated and disproved information.

Bring on JJ ... August 26 at 1 PM at Bridgeport. Bring your data -- if you have it. You may want to review this first. This video is by Javier Vinos, one of the world's leading climate analysts -- and the only one that I know of that actually made a climate change forecast that verified (unlike Al Gore) ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7GN96BUCEo

[fdpaq0580]

I prefer the fish sandwich because it is better for the environment and uses less land resources. Sorry, I could not resist.

Fish sandwich? AwShuck's! That's the place!

[fdpaq0580]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;2363180]
Mammoth flatulence.

Everybody knows that.

Good thing that prehistoric environmentalists hunted them to extinction!

[LeRoySmith]

Look up a graph of earth temperatures on the scale of the last 30 years. Then compare it with a graph of world population for the last 30 years. And there is the evidence needed.

This is my point exactly.

I don't know who made the temperature graph. I don't know who they work for, I don't know if I can trust the guy giving directions or setting the vision. I don't know if they altered the axis to make it look one way or another, if they included outliers, deleted only high or low outliers. I don't know if their thermometer is in the sun or includes 'feels like' temps. The weather guys in Tampa and Orlando would have us believe the temps been over a hundred multiple times this summer, why is the 'feels' temp 15or 20 deg higher than the actual temp these days? (I've got a sling psychrometer and a psychometric chart and I'm not afraid to use them!) Is it hot and humid, heck yes, but my thermometer hasn't been anywhere near that high.

I think the world population numbers are probably close but again who counted, are they missing a finger or are they like GE's cousin that has 6 fingers on each hand?

As I said in the first place, so many of the actual facts have been tarnished by a bunch of unscrupulous dirt bags lying to get clicks, votes or a paycheck.

I wanna believe but I don't.

[jimjamuser]

I believe human beings will endure, they will just have adapt and many living near the ocean will need to relocate to more climate resilient terrain. Meanwhile the con artists will be looking for opportunities to capitalize on short sightedness selling their snake oils for the quick buck. Human nature also seems to press on.
But, the question is about OIl and Gas use and rapid world population increase. Those factors MUST be discussed in regard to this problem,.

[fdpaq0580]

NONE of those graphs specify how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year. Why is that?

Your needle is skipping, again! 🤭🫢😒

[jimjamuser]

I agree. But remember, the only way these snake oil salesmen (global warming caused by human activity proponents) can cash in is by somehow making the normal global warming cycle seem to be the result of human activity, claim it is imminent rather than 30,000 years away, and convince the gullible that we can "fight" it by spending the $168 TRILLION that the Paris accords would cost. Oh, Al, I see the ice caps did not disappear in 2010.
Yesterday Texas experienced HEAT related DEATHS as RECORD temperatures of 110 degrees occurred. That is IMMINENT enough for me.

[jimjamuser]

“Whether” you believe in climate change, which oh, BTW, we experience every day and have been since the beginning of time, OR global warming or anything else the elite, gaslighting, globalists call it, there is absolutely nothing any of us can do about it. There’s only one God, and He knows.
I would ask if GOD knows that in the last 30 years that the Earth has been heating up and WHY. But, real people can find those answers in scientific research.

[jimjamuser]

Hush now… Don’t expect to get an answer to a specific question… That would ruin the argument… Just accept “The scientists said so…”

In other words, the people who have the most direct financial interest in this, who really have no specific data and produce continual studies that contradict each other SAID SO… Accept it, minions!!!

I won’t even bring up “50/50” Tony Fauci who basically is about as scientifically accurate in his predictions as a monkey throwing a dart at a board. And his 50/50 track record dates back long before 2019. See what he had to say about AIDS back in the day. He couldn’t keep his story straight then either… Anyway… Just don’t question the scientists… They know everything…
Tony Fauci dedicated his life for Science and medicine and people. I wish I were 1/4 as smart as he is and I probably care only 1/10 as much as he does and did for MANKIND. He is a HERO that should NEVER be made fun of. It just shows how backward we have become.

[jimjamuser]

Just a thought here. Maybe the focus on Co2 is missing the bigger picture of what/how the co2 mixes with and effects all the other components contributing to higher temps. Like one ingredient in a complicated recipe. No one thing is responsible for Global Warming.
I agree, but if I had to condense it down - I would say that increased world population produces more CO2.

[jimjamuser]

You correctly termed Gore as a "prophet," as Global Cooling / Global Warming / Climate Change is a religion. There have been many doomsday cults in world history; this is but the latest.

Gore was enamored with Roger Revelle, the founder of the Global Warming Church. Revelle himself, before his death, said there was too little evidence to mandate drastic changes:

"The scientific base for a greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify drastic action at this time."

Prophet Gore, to his credit, figured out a way to use doomsday predictions to extract money from both followers and governments.
That is all History. Only the last 30 years are meaningful in that the temperature data records by scientists around the world confirmed the increases in HEAT. Al Gore was an EARLY warning spokesman that was unafraid to go AGAINST the OIL and GAS industry, which had the most money to buy government influence - which continues to this day.

[fdpaq0580]

This is my point exactly.

I don't know who made the temperature graph. I don't know who they work for, I don't know if I can trust the guy giving directions or setting the vision. I don't know if they altered the axis to make it look one way or another, if they included outliers, deleted only high or low outliers. I don't know if their thermometer is in the sun or includes 'feels like' temps. The weather guys in Tampa and Orlando would have us believe the temps been over a hundred multiple times this summer, why is the 'feels' temp 15or 20 deg higher than the actual temp these days? (I've got a sling psychrometer and a psychometric chart and I'm not afraid to use them!) Is it hot and humid, heck yes, but my thermometer hasn't been anywhere near that high.

I think the world population numbers are probably close but again who counted, are they missing a finger or are they like GE's cousin that has 6 fingers on each hand?

As I said in the first place, so many of the actual facts have been tarnished by a bunch of unscrupulous dirt bags lying to get clicks, votes or a paycheck.

I wanna believe but I don't.

That last sentence is just what cultists look for. Someone who wants desperately to believe. Hungry. They feed you, mentally, and you are full. Like a cat that fills up on milk (that it can't digest and does it no real good) it is satisfied and will continue to drink the milk the cult provides. If you want the real science go to scientific journals, news articles, science websites, etc. Stick with accredited academic sites, like NOAA etc? Main stream stuff will should get you on track. When I had cancer, I went to a team of doctors with the latest verified information, not a witch doctor, priest or fringe healer with "unconventional" ideas.
Look at the exponential growth in population. Look at the mountains and oceans of pollution. Look at the destruction of forests for farm land, and farm land for development? Factories belching smoke and ash and makes the air unfit to breath in many places. Over 8,000,000,000 humans and every thing we have created covering the planet. From huge cities to millions of square miles of poor oxygen producing farms and ranches. In the farthest reaches of our planet to the bottom of the Marianna Trench, human trash/pollution. It boggles my mind that anyone with any actual knowledge of our world today refuses to believe that humans have no effect on the global climate.
This rant is over, for now.
Later, and best of luck.

[sounding]

That last sentence is just what cultists look for. Someone who wants desperately to believe. Hungry. They feed you, mentally, and you are full. Like a cat that fills up on milk (that it can't digest and does it no real good) it is satisfied and will continue to drink the milk the cult provides. If you want the real science go to scientific journals, news articles, science websites, etc. Stick with accredited academic sites, like NOAA etc? Main stream stuff will should get you on track. When I had cancer, I went to a team of doctors with the latest verified information, not a witch doctor, priest or fringe healer with "unconventional" ideas.
Look at the exponential growth in population. Look at the mountains and oceans of pollution. Look at the destruction of forests for farm land, and farm land for development? Factories belching smoke and ash and makes the air unfit to breath in many places. Over 8,000,000,000 humans and every thing we have created covering the planet. From huge cities to millions of square miles of poor oxygen producing farms and ranches. In the farthest reaches of our planet to the bottom of the Marianna Trench, human trash/pollution. It boggles my mind that anyone with any actual knowledge of our world today refuses to believe that humans have no effect on the global climate.
This rant is over, for now.
Later, and best of luck.

And the best part is that we are entering a climatic optimum, as global warming and increasing CO2 are benefiting life on land and in the seas. There is no climate change crisis -- just a climate education crisis.

[jimjamuser]

Sorry JJ ... folks who attend The Weather Club know 120 (and not 110) was the max Texas temperature ... way way back when CO2 was way way lower. Chill.
OK I will look it up. I was going by a report on the Weather Channel.

[LeRoySmith]

That last sentence is just what cultists look for. Someone who wants desperately to believe. Hungry. They feed you, mentally, and you are full. Like a cat that fills up on milk (that it can't digest and does it no real good) it is satisfied and will continue to drink the milk the cult provides. If you want the real science go to scientific journals, news articles, science websites, etc. Stick with accredited academic sites, like NOAA etc? Main stream stuff will should get you on track. When I had cancer, I went to a team of doctors with the latest verified information, not a witch doctor, priest or fringe healer with "unconventional" ideas.
Look at the exponential growth in population. Look at the mountains and oceans of pollution. Look at the destruction of forests for farm land, and farm land for development? Factories belching smoke and ash and makes the air unfit to breath in many places. Over 8,000,000,000 humans and every thing we have created covering the planet. From huge cities to millions of square miles of poor oxygen producing farms and ranches. In the farthest reaches of our planet to the bottom of the Marianna Trench, human trash/pollution. It boggles my mind that anyone with any actual knowledge of our world today refuses to believe that humans have no effect on the global climate.
This rant is over, for now.
Later, and best of luck.

you left off a huge one, the trash islands around the world

[spd2918]

That is all History. Only the last 30 years are meaningful in that the temperature data records by scientists around the world confirmed the increases in HEAT. Al Gore was an EARLY warning spokesman that was unafraid to go AGAINST the OIL and GAS industry, which had the most money to buy government influence - which continues to this day.

Al Gore's family made millions from coal. He is a grifter, enriching himself on lies. His predictions have all failed and so much data is now being falsified to prop up a theory.

[jimjamuser]

NONE of those graphs specify how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year. Why is that?
Scientists measure temperature on land worldwide and in all the Oceans. I know that the CO2 in the atmosphere is very small compared to nitrogen and oxygen. They may or may NOT be able to measure CO2 increases. But, that is NOT important because it is the upper layer of the atmosphere which has accumulated CO2 and is reflecting HEAT that is important. Scientists know that CO2 is accumulating in coral reefs because of the worldwide reef destruction.

[jimjamuser]

Do you think it's a good idea for us to attend the weather club meeting?
I think that I will go incognito and dress as an old man with a white-haired wig. (from Tonga)

[jimjamuser]

You are welcome to survey its 458 registered members (not including spouses & friends) ... which grow after each meeting.
That is seriously frightening to me.

[jimjamuser]

Bring on JJ ... August 26 at 1 PM at Bridgeport. Bring your data -- if you have it. You may want to review this first. This video is by Javier Vinos, one of the world's leading climate analysts -- and the only one that I know of that actually made a climate change forecast that verified (unlike Al Gore) ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7GN96BUCEo
I watched that (with difficulty) to near the end where he had a video of the UN Sec General stating that May 2024 was the HOTTEST on record as well as the 12 months before that. Then that guy disagreed with the UN Sec General. I am sorry to say that of the 2 experts, I will pick the UN Sec General for me to believe.

[jimjamuser]

This is my point exactly.

I don't know who made the temperature graph. I don't know who they work for, I don't know if I can trust the guy giving directions or setting the vision. I don't know if they altered the axis to make it look one way or another, if they included outliers, deleted only high or low outliers. I don't know if their thermometer is in the sun or includes 'feels like' temps. The weather guys in Tampa and Orlando would have us believe the temps been over a hundred multiple times this summer, why is the 'feels' temp 15or 20 deg higher than the actual temp these days? (I've got a sling psychrometer and a psychometric chart and I'm not afraid to use them!) Is it hot and humid, heck yes, but my thermometer hasn't been anywhere near that high.

I think the world population numbers are probably close but again who counted, are they missing a finger or are they like GE's cousin that has 6 fingers on each hand?

As I said in the first place, so many of the actual facts have been tarnished by a bunch of unscrupulous dirt bags lying to get clicks, votes or a paycheck.

I wanna believe but I don't.
When scientists make measurements of temperature and ocean rise around the world. Those can't be faked because they are peer reviewed. Just like the Tonga eruption was considered and then LATER rejected BY PEER REVIEW. I trust US Government Science Agencies. You have to pick who do you trust. It is too easy to say no one is to be trusted.

[LeRoySmith]

When scientists make measurements of temperature and ocean rise around the world. Those can't be faked because they are peer reviewed. Just like the Tonga eruption was considered and then LATER rejected BY PEER REVIEW. I trust US Government Science Agencies. You have to pick who do you trust. It is too easy to say no one is to be trusted.

Do you trust the CDC and WHO as much as you did 30 years ago?

[jimjamuser]

That last sentence is just what cultists look for. Someone who wants desperately to believe. Hungry. They feed you, mentally, and you are full. Like a cat that fills up on milk (that it can't digest and does it no real good) it is satisfied and will continue to drink the milk the cult provides. If you want the real science go to scientific journals, news articles, science websites, etc. Stick with accredited academic sites, like NOAA etc? Main stream stuff will should get you on track. When I had cancer, I went to a team of doctors with the latest verified information, not a witch doctor, priest or fringe healer with "unconventional" ideas.
Look at the exponential growth in population. Look at the mountains and oceans of pollution. Look at the destruction of forests for farm land, and farm land for development? Factories belching smoke and ash and makes the air unfit to breath in many places. Over 8,000,000,000 humans and every thing we have created covering the planet. From huge cities to millions of square miles of poor oxygen producing farms and ranches. In the farthest reaches of our planet to the bottom of the Marianna Trench, human trash/pollution. It boggles my mind that anyone with any actual knowledge of our world today refuses to believe that humans have no effect on the global climate.
This rant is over, for now.
Later, and best of luck.
Nice rant, very informative.

[jimjamuser]

Do you trust the CDC and WHO as much as you did 30 years ago?
Well, I believe that the CDC just approved a booster shot for Covid. I think of it as a necessary shot for me to get. I would NOT use the term booster. But, either way I trust them and I will get the shot. I know that a lot of people will not. They are the people that I don't trust, not the CDC.

[JMintzer]

Either that or a scientology meeting. Depends on what cult you want to join. That's just my opinion.

Didn't you say we should stop the antagonistic rhetoric?