Another Week Of No Hurricanes Forecast

[sounding]

Three reasons.
1 - Sections of the Atlantic are beginning to cool.
2 - Sahara dust continues.
3 - Tonga is still creating upper atmospheric warming - which inhibits tropical convection.

[justjim]

All good, but September historically is when we have more hurricanes. We will see.

[Kenswing]

Let me guess, we can hear all about it at next month’s Weather Club meeting. :1rotfl:

[sounding]

Let me guess, we can hear all about it at next month’s Weather Club meeting. :1rotfl:

Yes -- and tomorrow -- Aug 26 at 1 PM at Bridgeport. Don't tell anyone, but comments will be made that La Nina is very late, which is delaying and reducing tropical activity. Many believe Tonga's warming is preventing (or slowing) La Nina's entrance into the Pacific.

[eyc234]

There are 2 in the Pacific, those do not count?

[LeRoySmith]

Let me guess, we can hear all about it at next month’s Weather Club meeting. :1rotfl:

⭐ For you Ken

[sounding]

There are 2 in the Pacific, those do not count?

The Atlantic and Pacific are 2 different oceans -- separated by North America. However, like the Atlantic, the Pacific storm season also started late. The really interesting thing is that while the Atlantic is showing early signs of cooling, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) has been steady cooling for over 7 years -- which is part of the reason why the Northwest Rockies are getting hit with early season snows -- a great reminder that global warming is not global.

[Two Bills]

I think El Niño should be bombed, or assassinated.
Two really lousy, wet, cool summers, now in UK.
My tomatoes are still bl**dy green.
What Global Warming?

[Drakeswood]

Hone in the Pacific drenching the Hawaiian Islands-particularly the Islanf of Hawaii’s Hilo side…

[sounding]

I think El Niño should be bombed, or assassinated.
Two really lousy, wet, cool summers, now in UK.
My tomatoes are still bl**dy green.
What Global Warming?

Numerous Twitter/X folks are complaining about the "chilly" global warming in the UK. It appears that the AMO is trying to start its cold cycle -- like the one that produced snow in Miami in 1977. Don't sell your snow shovel.

[crash]

The Atlantic and Pacific are 2 different oceans -- separated by North America. However, like the Atlantic, the Pacific storm season also started late. The really interesting thing is that while the Atlantic is showing early signs of cooling, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) has been steady cooling for over 7 years -- which is part of the reason why the Northwest Rockies are getting hit with early season snows -- a great reminder that global co warming is not global.

Gosh give us a break and talk about something other than weather a short term phenomenon vs climate a long term phenomenon

[sounding]

Gosh give us a break and talk about something other than weather a short term phenomenon vs climate a long term phenomenon

Good idea. How about ... solar panels help protect bunny rabbits from hail.

[RICH1]

weather is what old people talk about...and now it's Hurricane season adding additional stress to the heart..

[CybrSage]

a great reminder that global warming is not global.

What does the temp anomaly mean on the graph? What is the expected norm being deviated from? Is it the Milkanovitch Cycles temp?

[CybrSage]

Gosh give us a break and talk about something other than weather a short term phenomenon vs climate a long term phenomenon

Why? It is shoveled down our throats by the Church of the AGW.

[sounding]

weather is what old people talk about...and now it's Hurricane season adding additional stress to the heart..

Fortunately, global warming makes the tropical atmosphere more stable, which inhibits tropical cyclone development. This science of this trend is explained at the Weather Club.

[CybrSage]

I think El Niño should be bombed, or assassinated.
Two really lousy, wet, cool summers, now in UK.
My tomatoes are still bl**dy green.
What Global Warming?

I heard green tomatoes are great when fried. So good, they made a movie about it!

[CybrSage]

Global warming is created by pirates. As the number of pirates dropped, temps went up. This is truth, the data shows it. Anyone who disagrees redises to follow the science and must be canceled!

Yes, I am showing that correlation is not causation. Something many people forget.

https://donhillson.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/graph.jpg

[sounding]

What does the temp anomaly mean on the graph? What is the expected norm being deviated from? Is it the Milkanovitch Cycles temp?

Please ask this question today (Aug 26) at 1 PM at Bridgeport for greater explanation. However, an anomaly is a deviation of the mean of at least 30 years of data. The AMO & PDO (which are on 60-year cycles) are not derived from the Milankovitch cycles (which are on 40,000 to 120,000 year cycles). The AMO and PDO do affect tropical storm activity.

[CybrSage]

Please ask this question today (Aug 26) at 1 PM at Bridgeport for greater explanation. However, an anomaly is a deviation of the mean of at least 30 years of data. The AMO & PDO (which are on 60-year cycles) are not derived from the Milankovitch cycles (which are on 40,000 to 120,000 year cycles). The AMO and PDO do affect tropical storm activity.

So the temp is water and not atmosphere.
Using charts with missing vital info (such as what temps are being shown, especially when air temps were also mentioned) causes confusion.
Not an attack, just a note to help you be clear in the future.

[airstreamingypsy]

I never realized that weather could be this boring.

[golfing eagles]

Global warming is created by pirates. As the number of pirates dropped, temps went up. This is truth, the data shows it. Anyone who disagrees redises to follow the science and must be canceled!

Yes, I am showing that correlation is not causation. Something many people forget.

https://donhillson.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/graph.jpg

post hoc ergo propter hoc

[sounding]

So the temp is water and not atmosphere.
Using charts with missing vital info (such as what temps are being shown, especially when air temps were also mentioned) causes confusion.
Not an attack, just a note to help you be clear in the future.

The AMO and PDO graphs are ocean index temperature data - and very important in short-term climate change. Most don't know this because the media will not talk about this data because it exposes the fraud behind the CO2 control knob theory. The Weather Club talk will discuss this and more in detail in November ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

[sounding]

I never realized that weather could be this boring.

Pirates have a different opinion.

[nn0wheremann]

I think El Niño should be bombed, or assassinated.
Two really lousy, wet, cool summers, now in UK.
My tomatoes are still bl**dy green.
What Global Warming?
Your lousy wet is the result of our fish storms, tropical cyclones that develop and sputter out over the eastern Atlantic instead of intensifying and heading west to North America

[fdpaq0580]

post hoc ergo propter hoc

Utway usday athay eanma estionquay arcmay(?)
😃🤭

[jimjamuser]

Three reasons.
1 - Sections of the Atlantic are beginning to cool.
2 - Sahara dust continues.
3 - Tonga is still creating upper atmospheric warming - which inhibits tropical convection.
# 3 Tonga has a minimal effect on world weather. Interesting fact .....hurricane Beayl was the EARLIEST cat 5 Atlantic Hurricane on RECORD. There is STILL an above normal probability (90%) of a major Hurricane before Sept. 24. Sept 15 is the peak on the graph of all US hurricanes.
Note........I don't think that the Sahara dust is STILL coming, but I need to check that out to be sure.

[jimjamuser]

# 3 Tonga has a minimal effect on world weather. Interesting fact .....hurricane Beayl was the EARLIEST cat 5 Atlantic Hurricane on RECORD. There is STILL an above normal probability (90%) of a major Hurricane before Sept. 24. Sept 15 is the peak on the graph of all US hurricanes.
Note........I don't think that the Sahara dust is STILL coming, but I need to check that out to be sure.
In Wikipedia there is an article all about the Tonga Eruption. About on the 11 th paragraph down is this statement. "Later calculations indicate that it was UNLIKELY to have any global cooling effects". Much further down in the article it is stated that "greenhouse gas emissions remain the MAJOR determinant of risk"
.....Also - "Peak Saharan dust runs from late June through mid-August"

[jimjamuser]

The Atlantic and Pacific are 2 different oceans -- separated by North America. However, like the Atlantic, the Pacific storm season also started late. The really interesting thing is that while the Atlantic is showing early signs of cooling, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) has been steady cooling for over 7 years -- which is part of the reason why the Northwest Rockies are getting hit with early season snows -- a great reminder that global warming is not global.
"global warming is NOT global"-------that is an unusual statement because, by definition Global Warming means it IS Global. Climate Scientists record the temperatures from ALL parts of the world. That how they know that the Earth has been increasing in warming for the last 30 years.

[jimjamuser]

"Sea surface temperatures in the North Atlantic are trending 1.8 deg F above normal. It is worse in the Gulf of Mexico."

[jimjamuser]

Hone in the Pacific drenching the Hawaiian Islands-particularly the Islanf of Hawaii’s Hilo side…
Higher ocean temperatures worldwide mean that the air holds more moisture - so greater rain.

[jimjamuser]

weather is what old people talk about...and now it's Hurricane season adding additional stress to the heart..
Not being aware of something that one should be aware of can cause long-term stress.

[sounding]

# 3 Tonga has a minimal effect on world weather. Interesting fact .....hurricane Beayl was the EARLIEST cat 5 Atlantic Hurricane on RECORD. There is STILL an above normal probability (90%) of a major Hurricane before Sept. 24. Sept 15 is the peak on the graph of all US hurricanes.
Note........I don't think that the Sahara dust is STILL coming, but I need to check that out to be sure.

Sorry, Tonga is they most important climate event to happen in over 2,000 years. It was an unprecedented event which is now causing unprecedented global warming -- because the DATA shows it.

[jimjamuser]

The AMO and PDO graphs are ocean index temperature data - and very important in short-term climate change. Most don't know this because the media will not talk about this data because it exposes the fraud behind the CO2 control knob theory. The Weather Club talk will discuss this and more in detail in November ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)
"CO2 control knob theory"......that sparks my curiosity big-time. A knob would INFER that some human or humans are controlling the CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere for some either grand good or villainous reason. Since that is unlikely then I will fall back to what I have read about CO2 and its effects in the last 30 years. CO2 production from the world's factories and automobiles has increased PAST the point that the world's plants and oceans can absorb all of the CO2 produced by the increased population of the world. Coral reefs are dying and world temperatures have increased dramatically in the last 30 years. Actually 2023 and 2024 have set records for HEAT related DEATHS in the US and likely also worldwide. Amazing----the price we (as humans) are willing to pay for our unwillingness to SIMPLY drive more E-vehicles and fewer ICE-vehicles. Ah ......that old buggaboo .....GREED and human fear of change has hit us right in the over-cooked planet;s gut !!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Sorry, Tonga is they most important climate event to happen in over 2,000 years. It was an unprecedented event which is now causing unprecedented global warming -- because the DATA shows it.
That is SO very TRUE about the VAPORIZED H2O and that is why scientists INITIALLY thought that Tonga would have a BIG effect on the world's temperatures. But, as I wrote in a much earlier (weeks earlier) post - the University of Texas REAL climate scientists state that after greater analysis they determine that Tonga has had a minimal effect on world Climate. Anyway The Tonga Eruption began way back in Dec. 2022 so has ZERO relevance to Climate today. Population increases and CO2 production from automobiles and industry are the culprits. Maybe I could present that at the Village Weather Club. I would change a reasonable price for that.

[jimjamuser]

Sorry, Tonga is they most important climate event to happen in over 2,000 years. It was an unprecedented event which is now causing unprecedented global warming -- because the DATA shows it.
That graph, toward the right end, looks a lot like the graph of increased world POPULATION in last 30 years.

[sounding]

"CO2 control knob theory"......that sparks my curiosity big-time. A knob would INFER that some human or humans are controlling the CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere for some either grand good or villainous reason. Since that is unlikely then I will fall back to what I have read about CO2 and its effects in the last 30 years. CO2 production from the world's factories and automobiles has increased PAST the point that the world's plants and oceans can absorb all of the CO2 produced by the increased population of the world. Coral reefs are dying and world temperatures have increased dramatically in the last 30 years. Actually 2023 and 2024 have set records for HEAT related DEATHS in the US and likely also worldwide. Amazing----the price we (as humans) are willing to pay for our unwillingness to SIMPLY drive more E-vehicles and fewer ICE-vehicles. Ah ......that old buggaboo .....GREED and human fear of change has hit us right in the over-cooked planet;s gut !!!!!

None of your articles address the UAH data because it doesn't fix their fake CO2 control knob theory. In other words they are illegitimate (junk science) articles because they ignore key data. Only Tonga's water vapor can explain the 2023/2024 temperature spike. This will again be presented Sep 6 at 4 PM at Lake Miona.

[asianthree]

Not being aware of something that one should be aware of can cause long-term stress.

If one isn’t aware of something, how can it cause long term stress?

[jimjamuser]

If one isn’t aware of something, how can it cause long term stress?
Good question. Let's say you are age 25 or 30 and have a good job and lots of friends. You get in a habit of drinking a few beers every day after work. You might NOT realize that you are becoming addicted to alcohol AND you keep gaining weight. You go on for years drinking with friends.One day you wake up with a heart attack. You were not aware of your problem until it was too late. Going forward, you have a bunch of pathetic unhealthy years. You end up with long term stress. There could be other examples, also.

[jimjamuser]

None of your articles address the UAH data because it doesn't fix their fake CO2 control knob theory. In other words they are illegitimate (junk science) articles because they ignore key data. Only Tonga's water vapor can explain the 2023/2024 temperature spike. This will again be presented Sep 6 at 4 PM at Lake Miona.
I did NOT mention any articles. Not sure what the UAH is (universal atmospheric have-nots is) ? And now THEY have a FAKE control knob theory. I am having trouble interpreting whatever the idea there is ?

[sounding]

I did NOT mention any articles. Not sure what the UAH is (universal atmospheric have-nots is) ? And now THEY have a FAKE control knob theory. I am having trouble interpreting whatever the idea there is ?

That's the whole purpose of climate alarmism, it is to create pseudo science designed to demonize CO2. CO2 is not and has never created climate change. All the assumptions you make (about corals etc) are all derived from climate alarmist articles designed to fool you. Regarding UAH, it's the Univ of Alabama at Huntsville, which is a NASA supported activity providing the world's best global temperature measurements -- which clearly show that Tonga "water vapor" (and not CO2) is actually causing significant global warming -- because there is no other logical explanation.

[Two Bills]

Climate change: Surging seas are coming for us all, warns UN chief (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3ej0xx2jpxo)

[ThirdOfFive]

Climate change: Surging seas are coming for us all, warns UN chief (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3ej0xx2jpxo)
I don't think we should be too quick to dismiss predictions based on solid science. After all, didn't Al Gore predict way back in 1992 that the north pole ice cap would be completely gone by 2006? And it happened, just as he said!

[Taltarzac725]

I don't think we should be too quick to dismiss predictions based on solid science. After all, didn't Al Gore predict way back in 1992 that the north pole ice cap would be completely gone by 2006? And it happened, just as he said!

Not sure how Al Gore's meaningful work relates to 2024. There is a lot more data now than back then supporting global warming caused by pollution.

Bad logic does not support the denial of global warming.

[golfing eagles]

Not sure how Al Gore's meaningful work relates to 2024. There is a lot more data now than back then supporting global warming caused by pollution.

Bad logic does not support the denial of global warming.

I'm sorry, it seems the highlighted word is misspelled-----it should be MEANINGLESS.

And the obvious "logic" (aside from all the data that shows man-made global warming is a hoax and a scam) is that human activity can have negligible effects on millions of years of repetitive cycles driven by the power of the sun and Earth's orbital momentum. To quote Mr. Spock----"to think otherwise is illogical"

[sounding]

Not sure how Al Gore's meaningful work relates to 2024. There is a lot more data now than back then supporting global warming caused by pollution.

Bad logic does not support the denial of global warming.

That is the standard climate alarmist narrative -- pollution causes global warming. The reality is that the alarmists have everything backwards. Pollution actually causes global cooling. Guess why there was the "next ice age scare" in the 70s ... it was based on too much industrial pollution reflecting sunlight back to space. Those who attend the Weather Club know this.

[SaucyJim]

Good idea. How about ... solar panels help protect bunny rabbits from hail.

I don’t know why, but I laughed long and out loud at your post. Absolutely hilarious. And I count three — yes, three solar panels in the first row that went unscathed.

People don’t think about things before throwing money - probably taxpayer money - into their genius ideas.

Still {another word for going pee since my first word was censored for some reason} myself… LMAO!!

[sounding]

I don’t know why, but I laughed long and out loud at your post. Absolutely hilarious. And I count three — yes, three solar panels in the first row that went unscathed.

People don’t think about things before throwing money - probably taxpayer money - into their genius ideas.

Still ****ing myself… LMAO!!

You are welcome SaucyJim. Green energy offers so many advantages, like the terrific 4th of July displays as illustrated in this short video ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5COAi6KM8o

[CybrSage]

Higher ocean temperatures worldwide mean that the air holds more moisture - so greater rain.

Higher water temps cause more water to be available to be held in the air, the air temp must also be higher to hold more water. Both bring higher are needed.

[SaucyJim]

If one isn’t aware of something, how can it cause long term stress?

Worrying about an unknown hurricane causes continual stress, while worrying about a known hurricane only causes the stress needed to deal with it. And that stress is reduced through preparatory action.

[CybrSage]

Not sure how Al Gore's meaningful work relates to 2024. There is a lot more data now than back then supporting global warming caused by pollution.

Easy, we still have glaciers and he said they would all be gone by 2015.

Bad logic does not support the denial of global warming.

Why do the AGW faithful always pretend not believing man is magically the the main driver of the temp increase means people believe there is no warming? Care to answer?

Almost all who do not believe in AGW believe, instead, in nature. The world would be currently warming even if humans never existed. The Milkanovitch Cycles show this clearly. They have been established scientific fact for decades.
They also show CO2 has lagged temp changes for the last 400,000 years, at least. CO2 has not been a driver of temp changes, but a result of them.

[ThirdOfFive]

That is the standard climate alarmist narrative -- pollution causes global warming. The reality is that the alarmists have everything backwards. Pollution actually causes global cooling. Guess why there was the "next ice age scare" in the 70s ... it was based on too much industrial pollution reflecting sunlight back to space. Those who attend the Weather Club know this.
There is some other solid evidence of this: The year 1816 is known as "the year without a summer"; the cause being the eruption of the Indonesian volcano Mt. Tambora. A study done through the University of Illinois (Tambora: the Eruption That Changed the World: Gillen D'Arcy Wood, illinois dot edu) summarized it pretty neatly when it states, in part, that:

When Indonesia's Mount Tambora erupted in 1815, it unleashed the most destructive wave of extreme weather the world has witnessed in thousands of years. The volcano’s massive sulfate dust cloud enveloped the Earth, cooling temperatures and disrupting major weather systems for more than three years. Communities worldwide endured famine, disease, and civil unrest on a catastrophic scale.

Here, Gillen D’Arcy Wood traces Tambora’s global and historical reach: how the volcano’s three-year climate change regime initiated the first worldwide cholera pandemic, expanded opium markets in China, and plunged the United States into its first economic depression.

This is far from the only example. Regarding the medieval Little Ice Age, in an article by BBC Environment correspondent Richard Black, quoted a study by an international research team "studied ancient plants from Iceland and Canada, and sediments carried by glaciers". The article concludes that:

"...a series of eruptions just before 1300 lowered Arctic temperatures enough for ice sheets to expand.

The new study, led by Gifford Miller at the University of Colorado at Boulder, US, links back to a series of four explosive volcanic eruptions between about 1250 and 1300 in the tropics, which would have blasted huge clouds of sulphate particles into the upper atmosphere."

This climatic disruption negatively impacted populations worldwide. Crop failures resulting in famine and widespread starvation was just one such. According to a study by a NASA scientist: "The transition from a warm climate to the Little Ice Age in the early 14th Century, marked by heavy precipitation, may have set the stage for a series of plagues, including the Black Death". But it is what happened subsequently, when after a couple of hundred years or so Mother Earth warmed up again, that is interesting. One of the primary triggers of the Renaissance is attributed to precisely the warm-up following the Little Ice Age.

Historic climate trends have irrefutable results. Cooling baaaaad. Warming good.

[CybrSage]

post hoc ergo propter hoc

Ad litteram dixi ratione non est causatio

[SaucyJim]

You are welcome SaucyJim. Green energy offers so many advantages, like the terrific 4th of July displays as illustrated in this short video ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5COAi6KM8o

The strange thing is that in those winds, all of those other windmills should be spinning to generate electricity, yet they sit idle.

Hmmm…

[CybrSage]

The AMO and PDO graphs are ocean index temperature data - and very important in short-term climate change. Most don't know this because the media will not talk about this data because it exposes the fraud behind the CO2 control knob theory. The Weather Club talk will discuss this and more in detail in November ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

And yet the Milkanovitch Cycles still show the world would be warming even if humans never existed.

The important question is how much of the current warming is caused by humans. If a mere 1%, nothing we do can change the temp. If a massive 99%, then destroyingoves and causing misery is required.

So what is humanity's addition? No one ever says, except the liars who either claimed all of it or none of it. Know why? It falls into the margin of error for the calculations.

Now, new info may have increased our knowledge, so go ahead and tell us all of you know. How much of the temp rise is caused by humans and how much by the existing natural cycles? Go ahead and round to the nearest 5 percentile of that makes the math simpler.

Thanks!

[ThirdOfFive]

Ad litteram dixi ratione non est causatio
Illegitimi non carborundum.

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And yet the Milkanovitch Cycles still show the world would be warming even if humans never existed.

The important question is how much of the current warming is caused by humans. If a mere 1%, nothing we do can change the temp. If a massive 99%, then destroyingoves and causing misery is required.

So what is humanity's addition? No one ever says, except the liars who either claimed all of it or none of it. Know why? It falls into the margin of error for the calculations.

Now, new info may have increased our knowledge, so go ahead and tell us all of you know. How much of the temp rise is caused by humans and how much by the existing natural cycles? Go ahead and round to the nearest 5 percentile of that makes the math simpler.

Thanks!

Milankovitch cycle (Obliquity) began cooling 8,000 years ago -- see purple line. Also notice CO2 is NOT a temperature control knob. Current warming is caused by the Bray and Eddy solar cycles - which will continue for about 100 more years -- and all discussed at the Weather Club. Current CO2 warming is so tiny it can't be measured -- it's irrelevant.

[fdpaq0580]

I'm sorry, it seems the highlighted word is misspelled-----it should be MEANINGLESS.

And the obvious "logic" (aside from all the data that shows man-made global warming is a hoax and a scam) is that human activity can have negligible effects on millions of years of repetitive cycles driven by the power of the sun and Earth's orbital momentum. To quote Mr. Spock----"to think otherwise is illogical"

Mr. Spock is/was a fictional character, figment of someone's imagination. Just keeping it real.

Mankind alone is not the cause of global warming. But, mankind's penchant for industry and our ability to destroy and reshape the land does indeed contribute to global warming. Over 8 Billion of us, along with all the cows, pigs, fish farms etc, peeing and pooping and farting everyday. Factories belching smoke and ash. Earthmovers reshaping the landscape and devastating habitats and resources. To think none of it matters or makes any difference? To me, that is illogical. Think of our "contribution" as the straw that broke the camel's back. There are, of course, natural forces in play. We all get that. But, the natural forces are getting help from us and are quickening pace.
For our own benefit, we should consider making changes in what we do, and how we do it.

[LeRoySmith]

Mr. Spock is/was a fictional character, figment of someone's imagination. Just keeping it real.

Mankind alone is not the cause of global warming. But, mankind's penchant for industry and our ability to destroy and reshape the land does indeed contribute to global warming. Over 8 Billion of us, along with all the cows, pigs, fish farms etc, peeing and pooping and farting everyday. Factories belching smoke and ash. Earthmovers reshaping the landscape and devastating habitats and resources. To think none of it matters or makes any difference? To me, that is illogical. Think of our "contribution" as the straw that broke the camel's back. There are, of course, natural forces in play. We all get that. But, the natural forces are getting help from us and are quickening pace.
For our own benefit, we should consider making changes in what we do, and how we do it.

Why would you try to apply common sense to a conversation where none is welcome?

[jimjamuser]

That's the whole purpose of climate alarmism, it is to create pseudo science designed to demonize CO2. CO2 is not and has never created climate change. All the assumptions you make (about corals etc) are all derived from climate alarmist articles designed to fool you. Regarding UAH, it's the Univ of Alabama at Huntsville, which is a NASA supported activity providing the world's best global temperature measurements -- which clearly show that Tonga "water vapor" (and not CO2) is actually causing significant global warming -- because there is no other logical explanation.
Tonga, Tonga, Tonga - sounds like a burlesque show in Las Vegas. But seriously the statement, "there is NO other explanation"doesn't RING true because 90 or more % of all Climate Scientist say that Global Warming is caused by the excess CO2 pollution caused by the increased industrial pollution and automobile pollution caused by world population increases. I have to laugh at the way a few people justify their Global Warming denials by saying that the EPA is wrong and all the world's climate scientists are wrong ssssooo all the world should forget their KNOWLEDGE about Global Warming and look to one small, insignificant club in The Villages for the REAL low down principles of Global Warming-----------as in Tonga, Tonga, Tonga.
......Riddle me this all you Climate Tonga Batmen----------Tonga happened in 2022.....and you-all Climate Batmen say that it CAUSED Global Warming. Why then is it so easy for me to Google a chart of recent WORLD temperature and CLEARLY see that the temperature INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY beginning in the last 30 years. And that is further backed up by glacier melting in the last 30 years and Coral Reef destruction and species going extinct and many other facts. Also look at the world population graph rising SHARPLY in the last 50 years. Would anyone believe that those many people on the Earth would NOT AFFECT GLOBAL WARMING?

[jimjamuser]

That is the standard climate alarmist narrative -- pollution causes global warming. The reality is that the alarmists have everything backwards. Pollution actually causes global cooling. Guess why there was the "next ice age scare" in the 70s ... it was based on too much industrial pollution reflecting sunlight back to space. Those who attend the Weather Club know this.
So you have stated that "pollution causes Global Cooling". Why do I NOT read about that when I read scientific articles about climate???? Basically you are telling me that all those scientists that are incredibly worried about the RAPID increase of Global Warming are somehow being paid around the world to create a Climate HOAX. Why is it that the heads of the United Nations are worried about man made Global Warming. Are you saying that your little local Climate Club knows more than the UN ?????? That is some SERIOUS straying away from the facts as presented before the United Nations.

[sounding]

Tonga, Tonga, Tonga - sounds like a burlesque show in Las Vegas. But seriously the statement, "there is NO other explanation"doesn't RING true because 90 or more % of all Climate Scientist say that Global Warming is caused by the excess CO2 pollution caused by the increased industrial pollution and automobile pollution caused by world population increases. I have to laugh at the way a few people justify their Global Warming denials by saying that the EPA is wrong and all the world's climate scientists are wrong ssssooo all the world should forget their KNOWLEDGE about Global Warming and look to one small, insignificant club in The Villages for the REAL low down principles of Global Warming-----------as in Tonga, Tonga, Tonga.
......Riddle me this all you Climate Tonga Batmen----------Tonga happened in 2022.....and you-all Climate Batmen say that it CAUSED Global Warming. Why then is it so easy for me to Google a chart of recent WORLD temperature and CLEARLY see that the temperature INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY beginning in the last 30 years. And that is further backed up by glacier melting in the last 30 years and Coral Reef destruction and species going extinct and many other facts. Also look at the world population graph rising SHARPLY in the last 50 years. Would anyone believe that those many people on the Earth would NOT AFFECT GLOBAL WARMING?

The EPA is wrong when it declared CO2 a pollutant. Two years after the EPA finding, their new Inspector General (the IG) said the EPA broke 2 of their own internal laws. 1 - They failed to follow an independent peer-review process during the investigation. 2 - They failed to make public the technical findings about CO2. Not only did the EPA go rouge during this 2009 ruling, but they later declared they are above the law and refuse to respond to FOIA requests by those demanding to see the "technical findings" which the EPA continues to hide from the public.

[jimjamuser]

Higher water temps cause more water to be available to be held in the air, the air temp must also be higher to hold more water. Both bring higher are needed.
All around the WORLD there are record breaking temperatures. We set one in Death Valley. The Gulf of Mexico is above average at this time.In 2023 Big Bend National park reached 119 deg F. Climate scientists are DEADLY worried about "run away temperatures". This year may set a record for HEAT deaths in the US. Next year will be worse. People in the US and our own local Climate Club are Climate deniers. US politicians try and avoid the subject. By the time ordinary people take the problem serious - it will be TOO LATE.

[fdpaq0580]

That is the standard climate alarmist narrative -- pollution causes global warming. The reality is that the alarmists have everything backwards. Pollution actually causes global cooling. Guess why there was the "next ice age scare" in the 70s ... it was based on too much industrial pollution reflecting sunlight back to space. Those who attend the Weather Club know this.

If that was true, I would expect you would be one leading the charge against pollution in all it forms, from fossil fuel to cow farts and habitat destruction since you stated cold kills more people than heat. You should be an environmentalist.

[jimjamuser]

You are welcome SaucyJim. Green energy offers so many advantages, like the terrific 4th of July displays as illustrated in this short video ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5COAi6KM8o
So, am I to infer that from the hail damaged solar panels and the burning windmills that The US should NOT engage in the concept of GREEN ENERGY. So, then we should depend on oil, gas, and coal. In other words, we take all technology BACKWARDS. That is interesting and explains a lot. AS in just a general anti-science philosophy. Which would make the whole concept of Global Warming to be somehow - something to be ignored.

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All around the WORLD there are record breaking temperatures. We set one in Death Valley. The Gulf of Mexico is above average at this time.In 2023 Big Bend National park reached 119 deg F. Climate scientists are DEADLY worried about "run away temperatures". This year may set a record for HEAT deaths in the US. Next year will be worse. People in the US and our own local Climate Club are Climate deniers. US politicians try and avoid the subject. By the time ordinary people take the problem serious - it will be TOO LATE.

If it's too late why are you still able to post comments? Why is there record rain in the Sahara? Why is there record cooling in the equatorial Atlantic? Why are you so happy to be here?

[fdpaq0580]

Ad litteram dixi ratione non est causatio

Utway usday atthay eenmay?

[jimjamuser]

Easy, we still have glaciers and he said they would all be gone by 2015.



Why do the AGW faithful always pretend not believing man is magically the the main driver of the temp increase means people believe there is no warming? Care to answer?

Almost all who do not believe in AGW believe, instead, in nature. The world would be currently warming even if humans never existed. The Milkanovitch Cycles show this clearly. They have been established scientific fact for decades.
They also show CO2 has lagged temp changes for the last 400,000 years, at least. CO2 has not been a driver of temp changes, but a result of them.
A graph of temperature for the last 30 years shows SIGNIFICANT temperature increases. That is easy to Google. MOST Climate Scientists believe that the temperature increases worldwide are caused by MAN.

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If that was true, I would expect you would be one leading the charge against pollution in all it forms, from fossil fuel to cow farts and habitat destruction since you stated cold kills more people than heat. You should be an environmentalist.

I am an environmentalist. I cut old trees down to make room for new trees. It's called renewable energy.

[fdpaq0580]

The strange thing is that in those winds, all of those other windmills should be spinning to generate electricity, yet they sit idle.

Hmmm…

Maybe the load doesn't require all of them to be on-line all the time. Like a turo not being required when idling along at 25. Only kicks in when needed. There is a perfectly fine and rational answer if one bothers to look.

[jimjamuser]

There is some other solid evidence of this: The year 1816 is known as "the year without a summer"; the cause being the eruption of the Indonesian volcano Mt. Tambora. A study done through the University of Illinois (Tambora: the Eruption That Changed the World: Gillen D'Arcy Wood, illinois dot edu) summarized it pretty neatly when it states, in part, that:

When Indonesia's Mount Tambora erupted in 1815, it unleashed the most destructive wave of extreme weather the world has witnessed in thousands of years. The volcano’s massive sulfate dust cloud enveloped the Earth, cooling temperatures and disrupting major weather systems for more than three years. Communities worldwide endured famine, disease, and civil unrest on a catastrophic scale.

Here, Gillen D’Arcy Wood traces Tambora’s global and historical reach: how the volcano’s three-year climate change regime initiated the first worldwide cholera pandemic, expanded opium markets in China, and plunged the United States into its first economic depression.

This is far from the only example. Regarding the medieval Little Ice Age, in an article by BBC Environment correspondent Richard Black, quoted a study by an international research team "studied ancient plants from Iceland and Canada, and sediments carried by glaciers". The article concludes that:

"...a series of eruptions just before 1300 lowered Arctic temperatures enough for ice sheets to expand.

The new study, led by Gifford Miller at the University of Colorado at Boulder, US, links back to a series of four explosive volcanic eruptions between about 1250 and 1300 in the tropics, which would have blasted huge clouds of sulphate particles into the upper atmosphere."

This climatic disruption negatively impacted populations worldwide. Crop failures resulting in famine and widespread starvation was just one such. According to a study by a NASA scientist: "The transition from a warm climate to the Little Ice Age in the early 14th Century, marked by heavy precipitation, may have set the stage for a series of plagues, including the Black Death". But it is what happened subsequently, when after a couple of hundred years or so Mother Earth warmed up again, that is interesting. One of the primary triggers of the Renaissance is attributed to precisely the warm-up following the Little Ice Age.

Historic climate trends have irrefutable results. Cooling baaaaad. Warming good.
I believe EVERYTHING stated here - a very impressive historic composition of Earth changes. What I propose is the ALL that happened BEFORE the world had the HUGE population increases that we have had in the last 50 years (there are graphs Of that). NOW we have a DIFFERENT world where the population is large enough and the availability of CO2 producing automobiles and locally of golf carts with zero pollution control - that availability worldwide is HUGE.
......We are living in a completely DIFFERENT situation than 150 years ago (before the invention of the automobile).
.......But, I DO appreciate your post!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

And yet the Milkanovitch Cycles still show the world would be warming even if humans never existed.

The important question is how much of the current warming is caused by humans. If a mere 1%, nothing we do can change the temp. If a massive 99%, then destroyingoves and causing misery is required.

So what is humanity's addition? No one ever says, except the liars who either claimed all of it or none of it. Know why? It falls into the margin of error for the calculations.

Now, new info may have increased our knowledge, so go ahead and tell us all of you know. How much of the temp rise is caused by humans and how much by the existing natural cycles? Go ahead and round to the nearest 5 percentile of that makes the math simpler.

Thanks!
Deciding that natural cycles caused the last 30 years of Global Warming (and man does't have much to do with it) - has the psychological advantage of having ZERO guilt when a person FIRES up their infernal combustion engine car or golf car. There is no guilt if you can PRETEND that your ICE usage is NORMAL and has ZERO bad effect on the environment and the lives of your next generation. (and anyway since you yourself are NOT a scuba diver, who cares if the Coral Reefs are dying) Just start those engines and let those STUPID Coral reefs DIE !!!!!

[fdpaq0580]

Easy, we still have glaciers and he said they would all be gone by 2015.



Why do the AGW faithful always pretend not believing man is magically the the main driver of the temp increase means people believe there is no warming? Care to answer?

Almost all who do not believe in AGW believe, instead, in nature. The world would be currently warming even if humans never existed. The Milkanovitch Cycles show this clearly. They have been established scientific fact for decades.
They also show CO2 has lagged temp changes for the last 400,000 years, at least. CO2 has not been a driver of temp changes, but a result of them.

Yes, there are still a few glaciers left, but, like old rockers, a lot of them are gone and the rest have lost a lot of what made them awesome.

Man is not magically the main driver of temp increase. Stop saying that. Man's massive industrial boom and population explosion has, along with natural occurrences, added to and exacerbated the warming. Getting hotter faster, and that ain't good.

[jimjamuser]

Milankovitch cycle (Obliquity) began cooling 8,000 years ago -- see purple line. Also notice CO2 is NOT a temperature control knob. Current warming is caused by the Bray and Eddy solar cycles - which will continue for about 100 more years -- and all discussed at the Weather Club. Current CO2 warming is so tiny it can't be measured -- it's irrelevant.
Strangely, your graphs mostly seem to DISPROVE your conclusions. On the far right CO2 is SPIKING upward as is the model temperatures line. But, it seems like a basically MESSY graph that is trying to put together TOO MANY variables.

[fdpaq0580]

Why would you try to apply common sense to a conversation where none is welcome?

Like a few others here, I'm a glutton for punishment. And, it keeps me from going only 19 mph in the mmps.
🙂🙃😉

[jimjamuser]

Mr. Spock is/was a fictional character, figment of someone's imagination. Just keeping it real.

Mankind alone is not the cause of global warming. But, mankind's penchant for industry and our ability to destroy and reshape the land does indeed contribute to global warming. Over 8 Billion of us, along with all the cows, pigs, fish farms etc, peeing and pooping and farting everyday. Factories belching smoke and ash. Earthmovers reshaping the landscape and devastating habitats and resources. To think none of it matters or makes any difference? To me, that is illogical. Think of our "contribution" as the straw that broke the camel's back. There are, of course, natural forces in play. We all get that. But, the natural forces are getting help from us and are quickening pace.
For our own benefit, we should consider making changes in what we do, and how we do it.
Right, time to make changes. The government could tax gasoline MUCH more and use the proceeds to give cash incentives for people to buy E-vehicles and golf carts!

[fdpaq0580]

Tonga, Tonga, Tonga - sounds like a burlesque show in Las Vegas. But seriously the statement, "there is NO other explanation"doesn't RING true because 90 or more % of all Climate Scientist say that Global Warming is caused by the excess CO2 pollution caused by the increased industrial pollution and automobile pollution caused by world population increases. I have to laugh at the way a few people justify their Global Warming denials by saying that the EPA is wrong and all the world's climate scientists are wrong ssssooo all the world should forget their KNOWLEDGE about Global Warming and look to one small, insignificant club in The Villages for the REAL low down principles of Global Warming-----------as in Tonga, Tonga, Tonga.
......Riddle me this all you Climate Tonga Batmen----------Tonga happened in 2022.....and you-all Climate Batmen say that it CAUSED Global Warming. Why then is it so easy for me to Google a chart of recent WORLD temperature and CLEARLY see that the temperature INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY beginning in the last 30 years. And that is further backed up by glacier melting in the last 30 years and Coral Reef destruction and species going extinct and many other facts. Also look at the world population graph rising SHARPLY in the last 50 years. Would anyone believe that those many people on the Earth would NOT AFFECT GLOBAL WARMING?

I’ll join your club, if you'll let me.

[Kenswing]

Deciding that natural cycles caused the last 30 years of Global Warming (and man does't have much to do with it) - has the psychological advantage of having ZERO guilt when a person FIRES up their infernal combustion engine car or golf car. There is no guilt if you can PRETEND that your ICE usage is NORMAL and has ZERO bad effect on the environment and the lives of your next generation. (and anyway since you yourself are NOT a scuba diver, who cares if the Coral Reefs are dying) Just start those engines and let those STUPID Coral reefs DIE !!!!!
How much guilt do you feel when you fire up your ICE vehicle?

[jimjamuser]

The EPA is wrong when it declared CO2 a pollutant. Two years after the EPA finding, their new Inspector General (the IG) said the EPA broke 2 of their own internal laws. 1 - They failed to follow an independent peer-review process during the investigation. 2 - They failed to make public the technical findings about CO2. Not only did the EPA go rouge during this 2009 ruling, but they later declared they are above the law and refuse to respond to FOIA requests by those demanding to see the "technical findings" which the EPA continues to hide from the public.
Wow - just WOW !!! What a fool I have been. The EPA is wrong and The Villages Weather Club was RIGHT !!!!!

[fdpaq0580]

If it's too late why are you still able to post comments? Why is there record rain in the Sahara? Why is there record cooling in the equatorial Atlantic? Why are you so happy to be here?

You misread. He didn't say it is too late. He said "it will be to late"!
Rain in the Sahara. Unusual, but not a first.
As for me, I'm happy to be here. I'm happy to be alive.

[jimjamuser]

I am an environmentalist. I cut old trees down to make room for new trees. It's called renewable energy.
That would be the RIGHT way and , incidentally, it IS the way they do it in Europe. In the US where greed often enters the picture, we engage in "clear cutting". Which translates into move in the huge equipment and cut down all the little trees in order to get to the big trees. Then the silt runs down to the nearest river and kills all the game fish leaving only catfish and carp...........yes, Sir that is the American way.

[golfing eagles]

Tonga, Tonga, Tonga - sounds like a burlesque show in Las Vegas. But seriously the statement, "there is NO other explanation"doesn't RING true because 90 or more % of all Climate Scientist say that Global Warming is caused by the excess CO2 pollution caused by the increased industrial pollution and automobile pollution caused by world population increases.......

And again, > 90% of "climate scientists" owe their livelihood to the government or academia, so they will tow the party line or go hungry.

[fdpaq0580]

I am an environmentalist. I cut old trees down to make room for new trees. It's called renewable energy.

And replant trees for that same purpose?

[jimjamuser]

Climate change: Surging seas are coming for us all, warns UN chief (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3ej0xx2jpxo)
That link put our whole discussion in PERFECT perspective. I hope EVERYONE reads that. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

[golfing eagles]

So you have stated that "pollution causes Global Cooling". Why do I NOT read about that when I read scientific articles about climate???? Basically you are telling me that all those scientists that are incredibly worried about the RAPID increase of Global Warming are somehow being paid around the world to create a Climate HOAX. Why is it that the heads of the United Nations are worried about man made Global Warming. Are you saying that your little local Climate Club knows more than the UN ?????? That is some SERIOUS straying away from the facts as presented before the United Nations.

The head of the UN??????SERIOUSLY????? Where did he get his doctorate in climatology?

And my dog knows more climatology than the UN

[golfing eagles]

All around the WORLD there are record breaking temperatures. We set one in Death Valley. The Gulf of Mexico is above average at this time.In 2023 Big Bend National park reached 119 deg F. Climate scientists are DEADLY worried about "run away temperatures". This year may set a record for HEAT deaths in the US. Next year will be worse. People in the US and our own local Climate Club are Climate deniers. US politicians try and avoid the subject. By the time ordinary people take the problem serious - it will be TOO LATE.

And all around the world there are record cold temperatures as well. Records were made to be broken.

[golfing eagles]

A graph of temperature for the last 30 years shows SIGNIFICANT temperature increases. That is easy to Google. MOST Climate Scientists believe that the temperature increases worldwide are caused by MAN.

Most climate scientists have a choice of saying that or starving

[golfing eagles]

Wow - just WOW !!! What a fool I have been. The EPA is wrong and The Villages Weather Club was RIGHT !!!!!

Exactly!!! NOW YOU GET IT!!!!!!

But in all fairness, the EPA may not be as stupid as they appear, since they are following a political and not scientific agenda

[jimjamuser]

I’ll join your club, if you'll let me.
Sure. We can invite all our friends and have a Tonga Party and dress up as water vapor and talk about global cooling and cool some brewskis to take as a peace offering to the Villages weather club and play DEVO records. And burn oil, gas and coal lamps and cut some firewood---------fun will be guaranteed for ALL.

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Strangely, your graphs mostly seem to DISPROVE your conclusions. On the far right CO2 is SPIKING upward as is the model temperatures line. But, it seems like a basically MESSY graph that is trying to put together TOO MANY variables.

Exactly. The climate is messy. That's why NONE of the UN's IPCC climate models have ever been able to create a model than predict climate change. Worse yet, NONE can even replicate past climate changes. The UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change) is a scam.

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Thank you.

[jimjamuser]

And again, > 90% of "climate scientists" owe their livelihood to the government or academia, so they will tow the party line or go hungry.
That IS a lot of VERY INTELLIGENT people that would have to be in some kind of group collusion that are somehow forced against their BETTER JUDGEMENT to make false statements. Really NOT even CLOSE to possible.

[fdpaq0580]

Records were made to be broken.

That's what my dad said when I got upset because he broke my new Bo Diddly record. 😵😵😵

[ThirdOfFive]

Exactly!!! NOW YOU GET IT!!!!!!

But in all fairness, the EPA may not be as stupid as they appear, since they are following a political and not scientific agenda
Heh. You pay some people enough, they'll make any sound you want them to make.

One Heidi Fleiss comes to mind...

[fdpaq0580]

Most climate scientists have a choice of saying that or starving

Oh! Yeah! You've been trying to sell that one for a long while now. Doing well with it? Or considering
re-evaluating the evidence? Like to have you join me and the other "GOREganites". (Just made that up! Think it will catch on? Now, how to cash in on it? Big oil should love it. Maybe write a song?)

[fdpaq0580]

Exactly!!! NOW YOU GET IT!!!!!!

But in all fairness, the EPA may not be as stupid as they appear, since they are following a political and not scientific agenda

Pot calling the kettle .....? Naw! You of all people wouldn't do that, would you? No! 😀🫠😉

[blueash]

And again, > 90% of "climate scientists" owe their livelihood to the government or academia, so they will tow the party line or go hungry.

And >90% of virologists and immunologists owe their livelihood to the government or academia or big pharma, so their conclusions about COVID must tow the party line or go hungry. Right? See how stupid that sounds when you actually know something about the field?

[golfing eagles]

That IS a lot of VERY INTELLIGENT people that would have to be in some kind of group collusion that are somehow forced against their BETTER JUDGEMENT to make false statements. Really NOT even CLOSE to possible.

Really? That would seem to suggest some naivety as to how academia works, so here's the challenge:

Get a doctorate in climatology and a position at a university in the US. Then, apply for a research grant for your study to prove that global warming has nothing to do with human activity----see how much money the federal government gives you. (Hint---every single dollar the NSF gives for climate studies are for those studies that "prove" mankind is responsible for global warming, and the more imminent, the better). Then, maybe some benefactor who knows the truth that man has nothing to do with warming gives you the money for the study---and, as expected you conclusively prove that anthropogenic climate change is a myth and a scam. Now---try to get it published. Rotsa ruck. Then apply for tenure---even more ruck. You see, what you have done is commit professional suicide. No collusion required. Your family starves, your wife goes find one of the "90+%" of climatologists who realized that the only way to survive was by parroting the party line. And so the scam goes rolling along.

[golfing eagles]

And >90% of virologists and immunologists owe their livelihood to the government or academia or big pharma, so their conclusions about COVID must tow the party line or go hungry. Right? See how stupid that sounds when you actually know something about the field?

Unfortunately, you forget I know as much or more about the field than that post suggests

[fdpaq0580]

Sure. We can invite all our friends and have a Tonga Party and dress up as water vapor and talk about global cooling and cool some brewskis to take as a peace offering to the Villages weather club and play DEVO records. And burn oil, gas and coal lamps and cut some firewood---------fun will be guaranteed for ALL.

Uh, why do we need a peace offering? Aren't we all friends already? And burning causes smoke that can be hazardous to health and is unnecessary wasteful. Brewskis sounds good, if we can recycle the bottles and make sure the waste products are treated to avoid polluting the local waterways. I could bring a lava lamp powered by a battery that is charged from a solar panel. Yeah! It will be great! 🤓🤓🤓

[fdpaq0580]

That IS a lot of VERY INTELLIGENT people that would have to be in some kind of group collusion that are somehow forced against their BETTER JUDGEMENT to make false statements. Really NOT even CLOSE to possible.

But he knows that! But to acknowledge the truth now would be just too embarrassing.

[fdpaq0580]

Really? That would seem to suggest some naivety as to how academia works, so here's the challenge:

Get a doctorate in climatology and a position at a university in the US. Then, apply for a research grant for your study to prove that global warming has nothing to do with human activity----see how much money the federal government gives you. (Hint---every single dollar the NSF gives for climate studies are for those studies that "prove" mankind is responsible for global warming, and the more imminent, the better). Then, maybe some benefactor who knows the truth that man has nothing to do with warming gives you the money for the study---and, as expected you conclusively prove that anthropogenic climate change is a myth and a scam. Now---try to get it published. Rotsa ruck. Then apply for tenure---even more ruck. You see, what you have done is commit professional suicide. No collusion required. Your family starves, your wife goes find one of the "90+%" of climatologists who realized that the only way to survive was by parroting the party line. And so the scam goes rolling along.

Sounds like someone got a burr under his saddle blanket! 🤠🤠🤠

[fdpaq0580]

Unfortunately, you forget I know as much or more about the field than that post suggests

Can't forget what we never knew.

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That IS a lot of VERY INTELLIGENT people that would have to be in some kind of group collusion that are somehow forced against their BETTER JUDGEMENT to make false statements. Really NOT even CLOSE to possible.

It's not a lot of people who are scientifically corrupt, it's just those who control the narrative who are scientifically corrupt. (Remember Orwell's 1984 movie.) Overall, they are a minority. Just follow the money. Trillions are being funneled into the IPCC -- and yet they are not able to produce a single model that is able to replicate past climate change -- and thus all forecasts are bogus. It's a scam -- no different than a snake-oil salesman operation. Any still ... no one is able to provide evidence how much "man-made" CO2 warmed earth last year. Guess why.

[jimjamuser]

Exactly. The climate is messy. That's why NONE of the UN's IPCC climate models have ever been able to create a model than predict climate change. Worse yet, NONE can even replicate past climate changes. The UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change) is a scam.
So, here I am being told to disregard the UN in favor of someone from a local weather club.And I am being told not to worry because the climate is NOT changing. Yet just the other day I read a story about Alaskan crab fisherman. The have lost their livelihoods because the water in their fishing area has gotten so warm that the crabs are all DEAD. Also on land in Russia and Alaska the permafrost layer in the ground is warming up to the point that Scientists (I know now that it is a HATED NAME) ......Scientists are worried that bacteria and diseases that have been frozen for many centuries will be released from under the NOT-SO-PERMANENTLY-frosted-permafrost !

[sounding]

So, here I am being told to disregard the UN in favor of someone from a local weather club.And I am being told not to worry because the climate is NOT changing. Yet just the other day I read a story about Alaskan crab fisherman. The have lost their livelihoods because the water in their fishing area has gotten so warm that the crabs are all DEAD. Also on land in Russia and Alaska the permafrost layer in the ground is warming up to the point that Scientists (I know now that it is a HATED NAME) ......Scientists are worried that bacteria and diseases that have been frozen for many centuries will be released from under the NOT-SO-PERMANENTLY-frosted-permafrost !

So ... show me just ONE United Nation's climate model, and after sending them billions of our tax $$, that can replicate past climate change. Feeling lucky?

[jimjamuser]

Oh! Yeah! You've been trying to sell that one for a long while now. Doing well with it? Or considering
re-evaluating the evidence? Like to have you join me and the other "GOREganites". (Just made that up! Think it will catch on? Now, how to cash in on it? Big oil should love it. Maybe write a song?)
Big oil had to spend a ZILLION dollars in propaganda to offset the TRUTH coming from Al (the nation's idol) Gore. And Boo Hoo! , maybe the 2 Earth poles did NOT melt the day after he said to worry about that, but they are certainly melting today. Al - my pal - we are just beginning to LEARN from you.

[golfing eagles]

Sounds like someone got a burr under his saddle blanket! 🤠🤠🤠

Yes, someone does. And it's not me, so by process of elimination........

[golfing eagles]

Big oil had to spend a ZILLION dollars in propaganda to offset the TRUTH coming from Al (the nation's idol) Gore. And Boo Hoo! , maybe the 2 Earth poles did NOT melt the day after he said to worry about that, but they are certainly melting today. Al - my pal - we are just beginning to LEARN from you.

I'm sorry, you spelled idol wrong-----it's B-U-F-O-O-N

[jimjamuser]

But he knows that! But to acknowledge the truth now would be just too embarrassing.
That probably explains the whole reason for NOT accepting man-made Global Warming.

[golfing eagles]

That probably explains the whole reason for NOT accepting man-made Global Warming.

Maybe one could once again quote that world leading expert in climatology---the Secretary general of the UN :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Kenswing]

I think it’s all the hot air in these climate/weather threads that is causing global warming. :1rotfl:

Another 100+ post thread that changed exactly zero minds on the topic. Just another circle jerk. :1rotfl:

[jimjamuser]

It's not a lot of people who are scientifically corrupt, it's just those who control the narrative who are scientifically corrupt. (Remember Orwell's 1984 movie.) Overall, they are a minority. Just follow the money. Trillions are being funneled into the IPCC -- and yet they are not able to produce a single model that is able to replicate past climate change -- and thus all forecasts are bogus. It's a scam -- no different than a snake-oil salesman operation. Any still ... no one is able to provide evidence how much "man-made" CO2 warmed earth last year. Guess why.
CO2 is not an abundant gas like oxygen or nitrogen. The main point is that ENOUGH drifted upward into the upper atmosphere so that it formed a layer which reflected (actually bent back) the long wave HEAT spectrum of sunlight and returned that HEAT back to Earth. Years ago excess CO2 from pollution could be stored in trees and in coral reefs. But, with increased population in the last 30 years and increased automobile release of CO2 and industrial waste gas, the Earth could not contain enough. So, that upper layer formed and reflected HEAT back to the EARTH.

[jimjamuser]

So ... show me just ONE United Nation's climate model, and after sending them billions of our tax $$, that can replicate past climate change. Feeling lucky?
The UN would have NO (ZERO) interest in replicating past climate change There would be no point. We have a last 30 years problem because of population increases and automobile exhaust increases and factories.

[jimjamuser]

I'm sorry, you spelled idol wrong-----it's B-U-F-O-O-N
Very interesting ----one man's idol is another man's buffoon.

[jimjamuser]

Maybe one could once again quote that world leading expert in climatology---the Secretary general of the UN :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
The Climatologists work for the UN Secretary General. He has plenty.

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CO2 is not an abundant gas like oxygen or nitrogen. The main point is that ENOUGH drifted upward into the upper atmosphere so that it formed a layer which reflected (actually bent back) the long wave HEAT spectrum of sunlight and returned that HEAT back to Earth. Years ago excess CO2 from pollution could be stored in trees and in coral reefs. But, with increased population in the last 30 years and increased automobile release of CO2 and industrial waste gas, the Earth could not contain enough. So, that upper layer formed and reflected HEAT back to the EARTH.

You speak with great authority about climate alarmist narratives. - which are all wrong - including CO2 reflecting heat to earth. That's non-sense. A cooler object (the air) CAN NOT heat a warmer object. See diagram.

[Taltarzac725]

You speak with great authority about climate alarmist narratives. - which are all wrong - including CO2 reflecting heat to earth. That's non-sense. A cooler object (the air) CAN NOT heat a warmer object. See diagram.

Looks like a kid's diagram.

[golfing eagles]

The Climatologists work for the UN Secretary General. He has plenty.

Exactly the point. Just as other climatologists work for the US government or universities. And all those institutions have an agenda

[sounding]

The Climatologists work for the UN Secretary General. He has plenty.

Good news. South American countries are wakening to the climate scam and have a new agenda ... drill-baby-drill ... https://co2coalition.org/2024/08/27/crude-reality-south-americas-offshore-oil-buries-net-zero-agenda/

[ThirdOfFive]

Very interesting ----one man's idol is another man's buffoon.
I'll grant that heroes and villains are all too often defined by who wins the war, whether that war is fought on the ground, in the air or in media.

But, substance-wise, I pretty much put Al Gore's bloviating about the environment on a par with Libya, back in 2015, being named to chair the UN Human Rights Commission.

[golfing eagles]

I'll grant that heroes and villains are all too often defined by who wins the war, whether that war is fought on the ground, in the air or in media.

But, substance-wise, I pretty much put Al Gore's bloviating about the environment on a par with Libya, back in 2015, being named to chair the UN Human Rights Commission.

You mean the same UN that is bloviating about global warming as well??????

[ThirdOfFive]

You mean the same UN that is bloviating about global warming as well??????
One and the same.

[fdpaq0580]

It's not a lot of people who are scientifically corrupt, it's just those who control the narrative who are scientifically corrupt. (Remember Orwell's 1984 movie.) Overall, they are a minority. Just follow the money. Trillions are being funneled into the IPCC -- and yet they are not able to produce a single model that is able to replicate past climate change -- and thus all forecasts are bogus. It's a scam -- no different than a snake-oil salesman operation. Any still ... no one is able to provide evidence how much "man-made" CO2 warmed earth last year. Guess why.

Because it's a foolish question? Hey, you asked. 🙂

[golfing eagles]

Because it's a foolish question? Hey, you asked. 🙂

No, his question is the essence of the controversy. And the fact that nobody can answer it proves that the global warming narrative is a scam

[fdpaq0580]

Yes, someone does. And it's not me, so by process of elimination........

The horse you rode in on? Poor horse. 🥲

[fdpaq0580]

I think it’s all the hot air in these climate/weather threads that is causing global warming. :1rotfl:

Another 100+ post thread that changed exactly zero minds on the topic. Just another circle jerk. :1rotfl:

Fun, huh!

[fdpaq0580]

Exactly the point. Just as other climatologists work for the US government or universities. And all those institutions have an agenda

Every one, every organization has an "agenda". Having a purpose and plan of action doesn't make it wrong. The medical team that presided over my cancer treatment had an agenda. I'm glad they did. Even The Villages weather club has an agenda. Go figure.

[Taltarzac725]

Every one, every organization has an "agenda". Having a purpose and plan of action doesn't make it wrong. The medical team that presided over my cancer treatment had an agenda. I'm glad they did. Even The Villages weather club has an agenda. Go figure.

The Villages Weather Club sounds like one person putting his opinions about global warming out there as established facts.

Which go against most of the existing ideas about global warming among the scientific community.

[dewilson58]

Looks like a kid's diagram.

That's so I can understand.

:pepper2:

[golfing eagles]

Every one, every organization has an "agenda". Having a purpose and plan of action doesn't make it wrong. The medical team that presided over my cancer treatment had an agenda. I'm glad they did. Even The Villages weather club has an agenda. Go figure.

It is when it's a giant scam to bilk the world out of $168 TRILLION by telling lies, manipulating scientists and influencing governments. Did your oncology team's agenda include lies and false data?????

[golfing eagles]

The Villages Weather Club sounds like one person putting his opinions about global warming out there as established facts.

Which go against most of the existing ideas about global warming among the scientific community.

And how many times have we explained that the "scientific community" has been bought and paid for by those few who stand to make trillions if the world buys into their scam

[fdpaq0580]

So ... show me just ONE United Nation's climate model, and after sending them billions of our tax $$, that can replicate past climate change. Feeling lucky?

You wouldn't believe it, so why bother. 🫤

[fdpaq0580]

Good news. South American countries are wakening to the climate scam and have a new agenda ... drill-baby-drill ... Crude Reality: South America’s Offshore Oil Buries Net Zero Agenda - CO2 Coalition (https://co2coalition.org/2024/08/27/crude-reality-south-americas-offshore-oil-buries-net-zero-agenda/)

Nope! Just normal human failing called greed!

[golfing eagles]

You wouldn't believe it, so why bother. 🫤

Aww, c'mon---give us one, please---pretty please---cherry on top

And while at it, give us the amount of global warming caused by man-made CO2 as well---there's an extra cherry in it :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[fdpaq0580]

No, his question is the essence of the controversy. And the fact that nobody can answer it proves that the global warming narrative is a scam

But I did answer him several threads back. He chose to ignore it, just like most real science. Consequently, he is not likely to get an answer from any reputable source, or me (less reputable, but pretty certain of what I found). 🙃🫠😉

[golfing eagles]

But I did answer him several threads back. He chose to ignore it, just like most real science. Consequently, he is not likely to get an answer from any reputable source, or me (less reputable, but pretty certain of what I found). 🙃🫠😉

Care to repeat that answer, or at least point us to the thread that contained it? Maybe my memory is failing, but I don't ever recall seeing a legitimate answer to his question.

[sounding]

The Villages Weather Club sounds like one person putting his opinions about global warming out there as established facts.

Which go against most of the existing ideas about global warming among the scientific community.

Claiming an agenda without supporting data is baseless. Those who have climate claims are welcome to present their supporting data at the Club. In fact, many Club attendees come not for the talks, but come just to watch the Q&A sessions after the talks -- to watch the variety of interesting Claims-versus-Data debates.

[fdpaq0580]

The Villages Weather Club sounds like one person putting his opinions about global warming out there as established facts.

Which go against most of the existing ideas about global warming among the scientific community.

Certain groups, cults, etc, generally believe that their opinions are facts/truth. Don't hate the genuinely misguided. They are generally sincere. But wrong. Don't be baffled by their bs. It is the wall that protects their fantasy from a violent and ever changing universe.

[golfing eagles]

Certain groups, cults, etc, generally believe that their opinions are facts/truth. Don't hate the genuinely misguided. They are generally sincere. But wrong. Don't be baffled by their bs. It is the wall that protects their fantasy from a violent and ever changing universe.

Absolutely!!!!!

I will have to paraphrase, but the essence of the quote from Moses to Ramses in "The Ten Commandments" is:

"Out of his own mouth come the words by which thy judgement is chosen"

[sounding]

Certain groups, cults, etc, generally believe that their opinions are facts/truth. Don't hate the genuinely misguided. They are generally sincere. But wrong. Don't be baffled by their bs. It is the wall that protects their fantasy from a violent and ever changing universe.

Again ... all talk and no data. For those who want data - come to the Weather Club.

[jimjamuser]

You speak with great authority about climate alarmist narratives. - which are all wrong - including CO2 reflecting heat to earth. That's non-sense. A cooler object (the air) CAN NOT heat a warmer object. See diagram.
I don't see a date on that diagram........but, I notice that 16% is absorbed by the atmosphere. Then likely (beginning 30 years ago) that absorbed atmosphere heat began reflecting (refracting back). Anyway, all solar heat is NOT sent off into space after striking the Earth. Some is radiating BACK to the Earth in the last 30 years. and that explains the melting glaciers, dying king crabs in Alaska, dying coral reefs, dying animal species, and basically, a S-L-O-W-L-Y dying EARTH. Since the oceans are warmer (in the last 30 years) the air worldwide has MORE moisture in it - therefore more rain. Anchorage, Alaska has had so much rain that 1/2 of a whole hillside in the city washed away and destroyed homes (and may have killed some people). The TUNDRA in Alaska and Russia is NO LONGER frozen and is threatening MANY buildings and scientists are worried that centuries-old bacteria may be released, also mercury. All because of too many people driving too many automobiles around the world.
.....Note ....apparently the 2 poles are fighting EVEN MORE Climate Change than our temperate zone.

[jimjamuser]

Exactly the point. Just as other climatologists work for the US government or universities. And all those institutions have an agenda
I can't believe that sssssooo many Scientists would be involved in a mass conspiracy. But I am aware that MANY people are suspicious of big government. So, I will just see it as "agreeing to disagree".

[jimjamuser]

Good news. South American countries are wakening to the climate scam and have a new agenda ... drill-baby-drill ... Crude Reality: South America’s Offshore Oil Buries Net Zero Agenda - CO2 Coalition (https://co2coalition.org/2024/08/27/crude-reality-south-americas-offshore-oil-buries-net-zero-agenda/)
Interesting that INCREASED drilling for OIL could be interpreted as a good thing. South America has a lot of problems, but I would doubt that their middle class and lower classes would EVER get much benefit. One effect of those drilling rig is they tend to BURN OFF a lot of pumped up oil. That will send MORE CO2 into the upper atmosphere which will reflect more HEAT to our already OVERHEATED planet.

[jimjamuser]

The Villages Weather Club sounds like one person putting his opinions about global warming out there as established facts.

Which go against most of the existing ideas about global warming among the scientific community.
Exactly.

[jimjamuser]

And how many times have we explained that the "scientific community" has been bought and paid for by those few who stand to make trillions if the world buys into their scam
Actually, it is the oil and gas industry (in their LAST FUTILE gasps) fighting against the whole Scientific community. Right now the oil and gas industry are winning, BUT in 50 years when 50% of Americans are driving ELECTRIC VEHICLES, the FUTURE will be electric and oil will only be used for making materials and medicine.

[golfing eagles]

I can't believe that sssssooo many Scientists would be involved in a mass conspiracy. But I am aware that MANY people are suspicious of big government. So, I will just see it as "agreeing to disagree".

They are not conspiring; they are being controlled.

It's sort of like all those years when a pilot reporting a UFO would be ostracized, so they said nothing. If they were told to say they saw a weather balloon, they would if the alternative was being unemployed.

[golfing eagles]

I don't see a date on that diagram........but, I notice that 16% is absorbed by the atmosphere. Then likely (beginning 30 years ago) that absorbed atmosphere heat began reflecting (refracting back). Anyway, all solar heat is NOT sent off into space after striking the Earth. Some is radiating BACK to the Earth in the last 30 years. and that explains the melting glaciers, dying king crabs in Alaska, dying coral reefs, dying animal species, and basically, a S-L-O-W-L-Y dying EARTH. Since the oceans are warmer (in the last 30 years) the air worldwide has MORE moisture in it - therefore more rain. Anchorage, Alaska has had so much rain that 1/2 of a whole hillside in the city washed away and destroyed homes (and may have killed some people). The TUNDRA in Alaska and Russia is NO LONGER frozen and is threatening MANY buildings and scientists are worried that centuries-old bacteria may be released, also mercury. All because of too many people driving too many automobiles around the world.
.....Note ....apparently the 2 poles are fighting EVEN MORE Climate Change than our temperate zone.

In the last 30 years---and 300 years, and 3,000 and 3 million and 3 billion. Physics doesn't change, the political application of it does.

[jimjamuser]

Aww, c'mon---give us one, please---pretty please---cherry on top

And while at it, give us the amount of global warming caused by man-made CO2 as well---there's an extra cherry in it :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
I would say that 90 % of global Warming is man made. Just compare a graph of World wide temperature rise with a graph of world population increase in the last 50 years. Climate Scientists are warning that it is man-made.

[golfing eagles]

I would say that 90 % of global Warming is man made. Just compare a graph of World wide temperature rise with a graph of world population increase in the last 50 years. Climate Scientists are warning that it is man-made.

Based on WHAT?????

Propaganda from the UN?
Idiotic predictions from guru Gore?
"Warnings" from climatologists who depend on government grants and universities for a living????
The fallacy that CO2 is the major greenhouse gas???
Or did it come in a dream? A roll of the dice?? A sci-fi novel??? A visit to Fantasyland?

[Pugchief]

This about sums it up...

[jimjamuser]

Based on WHAT?????

Propaganda from the UN?
Idiotic predictions from guru Gore?
"Warnings" from climatologists who depend on government grants and universities for a living????
The fallacy that CO2 is the major greenhouse gas???
Or did it come in a dream? A roll of the dice?? A sci-fi novel??? A visit to Fantasyland?
Based on a simple Google search. Click Wikipedia because they have the best Climate information. Oh NO! I have opened a can of worms. Soon someone will be telling me the Wikipedia is a bunch of leftist commie sympathizers And rabbits attract ice storms to solar panels.

[jimjamuser]

This about sums it up...
So if you don't believe that "news is real". Like you then believe that NASA Astronauts NEVER walked on the moon? I would hate to think like that. Everything would be a LIE.

[golfing eagles]

Based on a simple Google search. Click Wikipedia because they have the best Climate information. Oh NO! I have opened a can of worms. Soon someone will be telling me the Wikipedia is a bunch of leftist commie sympathizers And rabbits attract ice storms to solar panels.

Yes and Yes :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

So, just where do you think Wikipedia and google get their information form?

Yes--the same climatologists that are dependent upon governments and universities to survive.

It reminds me of those fools that think they can do a google search and diagnose their own illnesses

[golfing eagles]

So if you don't believe that "news is real". Like you then believe that NASA Astronauts NEVER walked on the moon? I would hate to think like that. Everything would be a LIE.

Not everything. But anthropogenic global warming is, and a BIG one

[jimjamuser]

Claiming an agenda without supporting data is baseless. Those who have climate claims are welcome to present their supporting data at the Club. In fact, many Club attendees come not for the talks, but come just to watch the Q&A sessions after the talks -- to watch the variety of interesting Claims-versus-Data debates.
I wonder how many Weather Club members drive to the meetings in either an E- car,truck,or golf car ?

[jimjamuser]

Based on WHAT?????

Propaganda from the UN?
Idiotic predictions from guru Gore?
"Warnings" from climatologists who depend on government grants and universities for a living????
The fallacy that CO2 is the major greenhouse gas???
Or did it come in a dream? A roll of the dice?? A sci-fi novel??? A visit to Fantasyland?
Based on what those 2 graphs are telling people. The Earth temperatures have RISEN in the last 30 years in direct proportion to world wide population. More people more automobiles and golf carts equals more CO2 production equals more refracted (reflected) HEAT BACK to the Earth equals more miserable summer HEAT, which is causing RECORD heat deaths in 2023 and 2024.

[jimjamuser]

US HEAT deaths......In 2023 the US saw 2302 HEAT-related deaths compared with 1722 in 2022 and 1602 in 2021.

[sounding]

I wonder how many Weather Club members drive to the meetings in either an E- car,truck,or golf car ?

It doesn't matter how they get there. They come for data -- not narratives. They know what you think you know and what you don't know.

[jimjamuser]

Read the EPA topic, "What Climate Change means for Alaska". "People have increased the amount of CO2 in tha air by 40% since 1800". "CO2 reacts with water to form Carbonic acid". "The Oceans have become more acidic" (that is why the Coral reefs are DYING)

[LeRoySmith]

I was considering attending a weather club cause I enjoyed climate/weather classes in college but after reading a couple of these threads I think it's not a great idea.

[sounding]

Read the EPA topic, "What Climate Change means for Alaska". "People have increased the amount of CO2 in tha air by 40% since 1800". "CO2 reacts with water to form Carbonic acid". "The Oceans have become more acidic" (that is why the Coral reefs are DYING)

Increasing CO2 means nothing -- unless you can tell me how much "man-made" CO2 warmed the earth last year? But I can tell you it helps put food on the table for you. Enjoy your "carbon" intake -- for we all are carbon-based life-forms.

[sounding]

I was considering attending a weather club cause I enjoyed climate/weather classes in college but after reading a couple of these threads I think it's not a great idea.

That's fine. There are more cases where standing room only is happening. Save seats for those who really want to know data vs narratives. You'd be surprised to know how many are registering for monthly talk announcements -- and they are still up north. Plus, those announcements also provide information about talks given outside the Weather Club -- which are the majority of the talks -- and as far as Gainesville, FL.

[jimjamuser]

See NORA Climate.gov ......article titled Global Average Surface Temperatures
......the graph starts to rise in 1970 and goes up to 2020 at about a 45 deg increase.
.......The 10 warmest years in the modern historic record have occured from 2014 to 2023

[sounding]

See NORA Climate.gov ......article titled Global Average Surface Temperatures
......the graph starts to rise in 1970 and goes up to 2020 at about a 45 deg increase.
.......The 10 warmest years in the modern historic record have occured from 2014 to 2023

Correct. Those who attend the Weather Club already know about ocean warming, and they know what caused it -- and it wasn't CO2. If you don't want to attend the club talks, then you can read about.

[sounding]

I was considering attending a weather club cause I enjoyed climate/weather classes in college but after reading a couple of these threads I think it's not a great idea.

You'd be surprised to know how many high-school teachers attend club meetings remembering what they thought they knew back then, compared to what science tells us today. They already what climate propaganda says -- so come to hear what climate data actually says.

[eyc234]

I was considering attending a weather club cause I enjoyed climate/weather classes in college but after reading a couple of these threads I think it's not a great idea.

:bowdown:

They do not seem to be too open minded do they! We are right and if we say it enough, say it loud and belittle people who do not agree 100% with what we say it makes us right.

[sounding]

:bowdown:

They do not seem to be too open minded do they! We are right and if we say it enough, say it loud and belittle people who do not agree 100% with what we say it makes us right.

You miss the point. It's not about what someone says --- it's about what the data says. Anyone can say anything -- they are called narratives. Social media are full of narratives, opinions etc ... but at the Weather Club "data" are presented - where folks can make up their own mind - apply some critical thinking - and become individuals versus part of a group-think.

[golfing eagles]

See NORA Climate.gov ......article titled Global Average Surface Temperatures
......the graph starts to rise in 1970 and goes up to 2020 at about a 45 deg increase.
.......The 10 warmest years in the modern historic record have occured from 2014 to 2023

Yep, 45 degrees, we all believe that

[Pugchief]

I wonder how many Weather Club members drive to the meetings in either an E- car,truck,or golf car ?

I am a member, and I drive a Tesla. Do you? $100 says you don't respond.

[Pugchief]

So if you don't believe that "news is real". Like you then believe that NASA Astronauts NEVER walked on the moon? I would hate to think like that. Everything would be a LIE.

Not everything is a lie. Just most of what comes from the MSM. If you don't see that after 2020, I can't help you.

[Taltarzac725]

Not everything is a lie. Just most of what comes from the MSM. If you don't see that after 2020, I can't help you.

Main stream media lying. You know it is very easy to check facts.

The top universities I expect deal with facts most of the time. Some of these facts are measures involving global warming. And their theories usually cover the facts fairly well.

[golfing eagles]

Main stream media lying. You know it is very easy to check facts.

The top universities I expect deal with facts most of the time. Some of these facts are measures involving global warming. And their theories usually cover the facts fairly well.

Especially if their livelihood depends on it

[sounding]

Main stream media lying. You know it is very easy to check facts.

The top universities I expect deal with facts most of the time. Some of these facts are measures involving global warming. And their theories usually cover the facts fairly well.

Facts? The Weather Club does not follow consensus, or science, or facts. Instead, the Club follows data ... but only unaltered data ... because the many media and many universities use altered data. Guess why.

[Taltarzac725]

Especially if their livelihood depends on it

Science does not work that way. Now big oil probably does.

You have so many bones in your body. 206. If some business says we now have so-and-so number then research will be done to see what happened. Or course, there are minute variations in number of bones from individual to individual. Some may have fused together.

[fdpaq0580]

It is when it's a giant scam to bilk the world out of $168 TRILLION by telling lies, manipulating scientists and influencing governments. Did your oncology team's agenda include lies and false data?????

Sounds like big oil to me.
As far as my oncology team is concerned, I will never really know. Did I really need that much chemo? Could the radiation really need to be that severe? Maybe? Maybe it would have been better to just pray on it and it would just magically disappear? Nope, I'll never really know. But I trust my highly trained medical team over traveling sideshow healer.

[fdpaq0580]

Care to repeat that answer, or at least point us to the thread that contained it? Maybe my memory is failing, but I don't ever recall seeing a legitimate answer to his question.

Two or three threads back. Maybe more. Finding the thread and post # would be too much trouble only to see the results again rebuked, ridiculed along with the resources I used. When the authorities in any field are rebuked and ridiculed and their findings cast aside by individuals who have a bent toward denial of anything that contradicts their own narrative, it becomes apparent that those folks care more about protecting said narrative than truth regardless of what the consequences may be.

[fdpaq0580]

Absolutely!!!!!

I will have to paraphrase, but the essence of the quote from Moses to Ramses in "The Ten Commandments" is:

"Out of his own mouth come the words by which thy judgement is chosen"

Great movie! Imho.

[TimTinNewell]

Why is the topic of "Global Warming" so neatly divided down political lines?

[fdpaq0580]

Again ... all talk and no data. For those who want data - come to the Weather Club.

Again ... you have full access to data, but you choose to turn your back on it, reject it, ridicule it and the ones who supply it because it does not support your narrative.

[golfing eagles]

Science does not work that way. Now big oil probably does.

You have so many bones in your body. 206. If some business says we now have so-and-so number then research will be done to see what happened. Or course, there are minute variations in number of bones from individual to individual. Some may have fused together.

Science doesn't work that way. Politics does. Those with an agenda do.

[golfing eagles]

Two or three threads back. Maybe more. Finding the thread and post # would be too much trouble only to see the results again rebuked, ridiculed along with the resources I used. When the authorities in any field are rebuked and ridiculed and their findings cast aside by individuals who have a bent toward denial of anything that contradicts their own narrative, it becomes apparent that those folks care more about protecting said narrative than truth regardless of what the consequences may be.

Mirror, mirror on the wall..........

[sounding]

Again ... you have full access to data, but you choose to turn your back on it, reject it, ridicule it and the ones who supply it because it does not support your narrative.

I have the data. I just ignore the corrupt data. Find out more at next month's Weather Club talk ... if you dare to see what is really happening ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

[Taltarzac725]

Science does not work that way. Now big oil probably does.

You have so many bones in your body. 206. If some business says we now have so-and-so number then research will be done to see what happened. Or course, there are minute variations in number of bones from individual to individual. Some may have fused together.

Deadpool & Wolverine



"There are 206 bones in the human body, 207 if I'm watching Gossip Girl".


Unusual humans may have slightly different numbers of bones. Check out the Great Courses How We Move: The Gross Anatomy of Motion . This is by Elizabeth A. Murray.

[fdpaq0580]

They are not conspiring; they are being controlled.

It's sort of like all those years when a pilot reporting a UFO would be ostracized, so they said nothing. If they were told to say they saw a weather balloon, they would if the alternative was being unemployed.

OMG! The conspiracy never ends. 🫣🫢🤭

One question, if I may. What makes you so certain that you aren't the one being controlled, 2364940? 🤖

[fdpaq0580]

This about sums it up...

If that sums it up, the sum is Scott Adam's is a 2 year old throwing a tantrum while his fingers are in his ears.
Tw0 reasonable adults can always have a conversation. Always.

[fdpaq0580]

Not everything. But anthropogenic global warming is, and a BIG one

No it's not. 😃 Tag! You're it!

[sounding]

No it's not. 😃 Tag! You're it!

It's not? How much did man-made CO2 warm the earth last year?

[fdpaq0580]

Yes and Yes :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

So, just where do you think Wikipedia and google get their information form?

Yes--the same climatologists that are dependent upon governments and universities to survive.

It reminds me of those fools that think they can do a google search and diagnose their own illnesses

I'm pretty sure that some folks can look up a list of symptoms and realize that they should go get checked out by a doctor and not just ignore said symptoms. Pretty good diagnosis for a layman, what? 🫠

[fdpaq0580]

US HEAT deaths......In 2023 the US saw 2302 HEAT-related deaths compared with 1722 in 2022 and 1602 in 2021.

Only deaths from cold counts. Like the death that occurred when an ice cave melted and collapsed. Killed by the cold.

[fdpaq0580]

It doesn't matter how they get there. They come for data -- not narratives. They know what you think you know and what you don't know.

Do they also know what you think you know and what you don’t know? Just asking.

[fdpaq0580]

It doesn't matter how they get there. They come for data -- not narratives. They know what you think you know and what you don't know.

What data do you give them? Internationally proven, or just weather club approved? And no narratives?

Asking for a friend.

[Taltarzac725]

Check out the Great Courses on Global Warming.

[sounding]

Do they also know what you think you know and what you don’t know? Just asking.

Correct -- that's the idea. We present data and think about what it means -- versus blind and unthinking acceptance of narratives -- like the fake man-made climate change narrative. During Q&A sessions everyone is given opportunity to think out loud -- which why sometimes the Q&A session goes longer than the talk. It's a wonderful experience. Try it - you'll like.

[sounding]

What data do you give them? Internationally proven, or just weather club approved? And no narratives?

Asking for a friend.

As for me, I provide government data -- such as the below altered temperature graph. It's all NOAA data, freely downloadable by anyone who dares to look.

[fdpaq0580]

Yep, 45 degrees, we all believe that

No you don't. Not if you're the real golfing eagles. You can't fool me. 😃😄😉

[fdpaq0580]

Especially if their livelihood depends on it

How did you get out of that straight jacket? You're getting pretty slippery. Now, put the conspiracy down and come with the nice men in their clean white coats. They will give you ice-cream.
😁😉

[fdpaq0580]

I am a member, and I drive a Tesla. Do you? $100 says you don't respond.

I can't afford a Tesla. My little Hyundai will have to do for now.

[fdpaq0580]

Why is the topic of "Global Warming" so neatly divided down political lines?

Gee. I wonder? 🤔🤔

[fdpaq0580]

Science doesn't work that way. Politics does. Those with an agenda do.

Everyone has an agenda. Every group has an agenda. We'll, maybe not the village idiot. (Come on. You know you want to. Like shooting fish in a barrel with a ak-47.) 😃😁😉

[golfing eagles]

OMG! The conspiracy never ends. 🫣🫢🤭

One question, if I may. What makes you so certain that you aren't the one being controlled, 2364940? 🤖

Because I wear my tin foil hat 24/7 :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

I'm pretty sure that some folks can look up a list of symptoms and realize that they should go get checked out by a doctor and not just ignore said symptoms. Pretty good diagnosis for a layman, what? 🫠

Wouldn't recommend that route

[golfing eagles]

How did you get out of that straight jacket? You're getting pretty slippery. Now, put the conspiracy down and come with the nice men in their clean white coats. They will give you ice-cream.
😁😉

Chocolate???? Oh, no, ice cream??? It will melt from global warming (but no faster than 500 years ago)

[golfing eagles]

Everyone has an agenda. Every group has an agenda. We'll, maybe not the village idiot. (Come on. You know you want to. Like shooting fish in a barrel with a ak-47.) 😃😁😉

Too easy---not worth typing it:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[blueash]

As for me, I provide government data -- such as the below altered temperature graph. It's all NOAA data, freely downloadable by anyone who dares to look.

What is the source of the graph you are posting. It is not shown, just as Data DTG a google image search did not find that image.

I am interesting seeing the evidence of how it was created, the person who created it. and not interested in going to a club. I am sure you will provide me the link

[sounding]

What is the source of the graph you are posting. It is not shown, just as Data DTG a google image search did not find that image.

I am interesting seeing the evidence of how it was created, the person who created it. and not interested in going to a club. I am sure you will provide me the link

Here is the NOAA website ... Index of /pub/data/ushcn/v2.5 (https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/v2.5/)

NOAA updates the data on a daily basis -- at seen by the DTG data.

Anyone with basic computer skills can download, parse, and plot the data like I did. Tony did the same many years ago - and still produces and shows same graphs. Here is just one of Tony's hundreds of related videos - if you dare to watch ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnmzOeG_N64

[fdpaq0580]

It's not? How much did man-made CO2 warm the earth last year?

I told you once! 🤨

[sounding]

I told you once! 🤨

I asked for the science that created your answer. Please provide.

[fdpaq0580]

Too easy---not worth typing it:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Fair enough! 😉😉😀

[fdpaq0580]

I asked for the science that created your answer. Please provide.

Anyone with basic computer skills can look it up. My skills are basic and I found it a while back. Once was enough.

[LeRoySmith]

It's not? How much did man-made CO2 warm the earth last year?

1.4 deg f and I can prove it.

[fdpaq0580]

1.4 deg f and I can prove it.

My result, if I remember correctly, was a bit less. But be forewarned that your sources will be rebuked, ridiculed and vilified and summarily cast aside. They don't really want anything that counters their viewpoint. Been there, done that!

[Taltarzac725]

1.4 deg f and I can prove it.

I googled that and got a NASA website.

[sounding]

My result, if I remember correctly, was a bit less. But be forewarned that your sources will be rebuked, ridiculed and vilified and summarily cast aside. They don't really want anything that counters their viewpoint. Been there, done that!

This is a public service announcement. All will note that no one can provide a peer-reviewed answer to my question ... how much has man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year. Whereas anyone can easily find out how much CO2 concentrations have changed each year - and even each month ... but not the man-made warming part -- and yet climate alarmists know with great certainty it exists. Ha. This is no different than the Spaniards encouraging folks to visit the New World and enjoy the Fountain of Youth. It's all a hoax.

[LeRoySmith]

This is a public service announcement. All will note that no one can provide a peer-reviewed answer to my question ... how much has man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year. Whereas anyone can easily find out how much CO2 concentrations have changed each year - and even each month ... but not the man-made warming part -- and yet climate alarmists know with great certainty it exists. Ha. This is no different than the Spaniards encouraging folks to visit the New World and enjoy the Fountain of Youth. It's all a hoax.

Please see post 211

[fdpaq0580]

This is a public service announcement. All will note that no one can provide a peer-reviewed answer to my question ... how much has man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year. Whereas anyone can easily find out how much CO2 concentrations have changed each year - and even each month ... but not the man-made warming part -- and yet climate alarmists know with great certainty it exists. Ha. This is no different than the Spaniards encouraging folks to visit the New World and enjoy the Fountain of Youth. It's all a hoax.

Public service announcement. No one can provide a peer reviewed answer to how much wood a woodchuck chucks .....
One needs to figure out the exact .. what's the point when it's already been done by several accredited groups of serious scientists, whose results have been peer reviewed and published world wide. You are going to dismiss it all as hoax and scam anyway. Why bother spoon feeding a stubborn person who is just going to spit it out and scream it's poison. And, as far as peer reviews, the only "peers" you will believe are the ones who back your position.
😒😒🙄

[sounding]

Public service announcement. No one can provide a peer reviewed answer to how much wood a woodchuck chucks .....
One needs to figure out the exact .. what's the point when it's already been done by several accredited groups of serious scientists, whose results have been peer reviewed and published world wide. You are going to dismiss it all as hoax and scam anyway. Why bother spoon feeding a stubborn person who is just going to spit it out and scream it's poison. And, as far as peer reviews, the only "peers" you will believe are the ones who back your position.
😒😒🙄

As I said ... all narrative - and no data.

[fdpaq0580]

As I said ... all narrative - and no data.

And, as I said ... you have been given and have access to all factual, peer reviewed data published by the world's leading scientists, and have consistently turned your back on their findings and conclusions because they are saying what you don’t want to hear. Reality/truth, my friend, is not always what we want it to be.

[jimjamuser]

:bowdown:

They do not seem to be too open minded do they! We are right and if we say it enough, say it loud and belittle people who do not agree 100% with what we say it makes us right.
Agreed !!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Yep, 45 degrees, we all believe that
If a person goes to that graph and believes their own eyes, then they WOULD have to believe that. We have all heard the expression that a picture is worth a thousand words. Then just PICTURE that graph.......made by REAL climate scientists, not weather-want-to-be-s.

[jimjamuser]

I am a member, and I drive a Tesla. Do you? $100 says you don't respond.
I responded, so send me that $100 check. And congratulations for doing your part (owning an E-vehicle). That will help to limit CO2 emissions. As more people drive E-vehicles and golf carts we can stop this runaway HEAT saturation of the Earth. Thanks for doing your part.

[jimjamuser]

Main stream media lying. You know it is very easy to check facts.

The top universities I expect deal with facts most of the time. Some of these facts are measures involving global warming. And their theories usually cover the facts fairly well.
I agree and that DATA should keep our FRIENDS that always mention DATA happy.

[jimjamuser]

Facts? The Weather Club does not follow consensus, or science, or facts. Instead, the Club follows data ... but only unaltered data ... because the many media and many universities use altered data. Guess why.
Facts are pretty synonymous with data. I would say the data is numerical and facts can be expressed verbally.

[jimjamuser]

I don't think it is ALL over the world - maybe in the US. The problem with the whole SUBJECT of Global Warming is that the OIL companies play (hide the ball) so as to obscure their DIRECT involvement in the PROBLEM which is changing the Earth's climate. The average person does NOT care about Climate Change ( to them it is not changing). It is far down on their list of problems. They don't care if the Alaskan crab harvest has become ZERO. Or if the Alaskan and Russian TUNDRA have become unfrozen and centuries old mercury deposits and ancient diseases MAY be released. Or if the world's Coral reefs are down to about 20% of what they were 10 years ago.
...........Only Climate Scientists know these and MANY other things going SOUTH over the Earth. And most people are ignoring the Scientists. And ever some people are saying that they should be ignored.

[jimjamuser]

As for me, I provide government data -- such as the below altered temperature graph. It's all NOAA data, freely downloadable by anyone who dares to look.
MUST I be forced to REPEAT myself? Only temperature data for the past 30 years matters. The 10 warmest years on record (temp records are about 150 year old) are from 2014 to 2023.

[jimjamuser]

How did you get out of that straight jacket? You're getting pretty slippery. Now, put the conspiracy down and come with the nice men in their clean white coats. They will give you ice-cream.
😁😉
That ranks up there in the top 10 of humorous posts!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

What is the source of the graph you are posting. It is not shown, just as Data DTG a google image search did not find that image.

I am interesting seeing the evidence of how it was created, the person who created it. and not interested in going to a club. I am sure you will provide me the link
I believe that those charts come from a book titled, "Fun With Squiggly Lines".

[sounding]

MUST I be forced to REPEAT myself? Only temperature data for the past 30 years matters. The 10 warmest years on record (temp records are about 150 year old) are from 2014 to 2023.

I don't care how about temp rise -- only about how much man-made CO2 caused. Do you know?

[Normal]

I don't care how about temp rise -- only about how much man-made CO2 caused. Do you know?

We might get one hurricane this season? Certainly don’t rely of government agency predictions, they are never right.

[jimjamuser]

Here is the NOAA website ... Index of /pub/data/ushcn/v2.5 (https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/v2.5/)

NOAA updates the data on a daily basis -- at seen by the DTG data.

Anyone with basic computer skills can download, parse, and plot the data like I did. Tony did the same many years ago - and still produces and shows same graphs. Here is just one of Tony's hundreds of related videos - if you dare to watch ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnmzOeG_N64
I dared to watch and saw some guys squiggly lines that were different from Government lines.

[sounding]

We might get one hurricane this season? Certainly don’t rely of government agency predictions, they are never right.

Even since the Tonga eruption, they have gotten nearly everything wrong - which will be discussed on Sep 6 at 4 PM at Lake Miona. So called "climate scientists" are bewildered why there is now monsoons over Africa, the equatorial Atlantic is suddenly cooling, northwest snows are early, and much more -- which are all in response to Tonga -- where Mother Nature is using earth's air/ocean mechanisms to counter Tonga's unprecedented global warming. Nature has its own self-correction mechanisms. It's fascinating to watch -- but the media won't look.

[jimjamuser]

I don't care how about temp rise -- only about how much man-made CO2 caused. Do you know?
Man-made was the majority cause (over 90%) of the CO2. The Tonga, Tonga, Tonga volcano was NOT A FACTOR. The graph of the rise of Earth temperature for the last 30 years can be seen as about the same when compare to the rise of population in the same time frame. You want DATA ......those graphs are your accurate DATA POINTS. A person could take a bath in that much data. But, it is saying that the Earth is HEATING UP AT A dangerous rate. People in Texas and all over the US including Florida are DYING at an increased rate in the last 3 years. ANYONE can easily look up this FACT-----------THE 10 WARMEST years on World recorded history have occurred from 2014 to 2023. ANY (I mean any) human being can look that up and they should become AFRAID. They should then do more research and find that in recent years the land and oceans are heating up. World human population has increased rapidly in the last 30 years and it has caused this HEATING. More people mean more industrial and automobile Pollution. This pollution causes HEAT TO RADIATE back to the Earth when in years past it would go harmlessly into space.
......As long as the world produces mostly internal combustion vehicles, the Earth will HEAT up. Not a good FUTURE for mankind.

[sounding]

Man-made was the majority cause (over 90%) of the CO2. The Tonga, Tonga, Tonga volcano was NOT A FACTOR. The graph of the rise of Earth temperature for the last 30 years can be seen as about the same when compare to the rise of population in the same time frame. You want DATA ......those graphs are your accurate DATA POINTS. A person could take a bath in that much data. But, it is saying that the Earth is HEATING UP AT A dangerous rate. People in Texas and all over the US including Florida are DYING at an increased rate in the last 3 years. ANYONE can easily look up this FACT-----------THE 10 WARMEST years on World recorded history have occurred from 2014 to 2023. ANY (I mean any) human being can look that up and they should become AFRAID. They should then do more research and find that in recent years the land and oceans are heating up. World human population has increased rapidly in the last 30 years and it has caused this HEATING. More people mean more industrial and automobile Pollution. This pollution causes HEAT TO RADIATE back to the Earth when in years past it would go harmlessly into space.
......As long as the world produces mostly internal combustion vehicles, the Earth will HEAT up. Not a good FUTURE for mankind.

For those who want Data versus Opinions >>> Sep 6 at 4 PM at Lake Minoa.

[Pugchief]

I can't afford a Tesla. My little Hyundai will have to do for now.

Sure you can. A new Model 3 basic will set you back just over $30k + tax after the tax credit.

But I was asking someone else, who always tells everyone how important EVs are to the environment, but is unwilling to put his money where his mouth is.

[jimjamuser]

We might get one hurricane this season? Certainly don’t rely of government agency predictions, they are never right.
Sahara dust has been stopping the growth of Hurricanes recently, but the dust is stopping.

[fdpaq0580]

I don't care how about temp rise -- only about how much man-made CO2 caused. Do you know?

Still at it, I see. Change the channel, play a different tune. Give the old one a rest, it's really getting tired.
By the way, I'm pretty sure he does know, but doesn't want to give you targets for ridicule. I will give 4 hints. 1. Open eyes. 2. Open mind. 3. Suspend your disbelief.
4. Search!
"Seek and ye shall find!" I have faith in you! 🙂🙂🙂

[sounding]

Sahara dust has been stopping the growth of Hurricanes recently, but the dust is stopping.

Notice that the media won't say why the hurricanes are reluctant to appear in what was promised to be an epic storm year, and they won't say why the Sahara now has monsoon-like weather -- all unprecedented events. Anyone want to venture why this is?

[fdpaq0580]

Sure you can. A new Model 3 basic will set you back just over $30k + tax after the tax credit.

But I was asking someone else, who always tells everyone how important EVs are to the environment, but is unwilling to put his money where his mouth is.

There are other technologies that I prefer that are nearly ready. I said I drive a Hyundai, but never said if it was ice or ev. You assumed it was ice. Lucky! But I have cut the miles I drive x10. Quit traveling and conserve every way I can. If, I can still drive when the H2O engine come to the market, I'm in!
Full disclosure. I own a share of oil land and get a small amount in compensation for oil and natural gas. I'm definitely not an oil baron. So, one might think I would be on the side of big oil. I enjoy the monthly check, but I have no control of the extraction. But just because I enjoy some benefit does not blind me to the harm that big oil, and all the rest of the habitat destroyers do.
For me the 30k you mentioned is, sadly, a deal breaker. But if I could swap ice straight across, it would already have happened.

[fdpaq0580]

For those who want Data versus Opinions >>> Sep 6 at 4 PM at Lake Minoa.

Toga vs Tonga. Cute.

[MorTech]

Only a grade school dropout believes CO2 causes global temperature rise...How about humidity?
CO2 is a molecular gas...It can't hold heat. Come on, this is 5th grade AP/9th grade normie stuff.

[Michael 61]

Bottom line, you can’t trust these hurricane “predictions” that come out before the season starts. We’re only two weeks away from the “peak” of hurricane season, and even though we had one fairly strong and one moderately strong landfall hurricane earlier this season, it’s been abnormally quiet for weeks now, without anything concerning on the horizon at this point. I know things could always change later in the season, but my point is these “predictions” have become almost meaningless. Last year, “they” overly-hyped up the number of potential landfall hurricanes as well.

[sounding]

Only a grade school dropout believes CO2 causes global temperature rise...How about humidity?
CO2 is a molecular gas...It can't hold heat. Come on, this is 5th grade AP/9th grade normie stuff.

No gases hold heat - none - but greenhouse gases slow earth's cooling in proportion to the attached pie chart. Unlike CO2, water vapor is less uniformly distributed over the earth - such as over deserts.

[sounding]

Bottom line, you can’t trust these hurricane “predictions” that come out before the season starts. We’re only two weeks away from the “peak” of hurricane season, and even though we had one fairly strong and one moderately strong landfall hurricane earlier this season, it’s been abnormally quiet for weeks now, without anything concerning on the horizon at this point. I know things could always change later in the season, but my point is these “predictions” have become almost meaningless. Last year, “they” overly-hyped up the number of potential landfall hurricanes as well.

Plus global warming inhibits hurricane (and tornado) formation -- but the media will not report this.

[golfing eagles]

Bottom line, you can’t trust these hurricane “predictions” that come out before the season starts. We’re only two weeks away from the “peak” of hurricane season, and even though we had one fairly strong and one moderately strong landfall hurricane earlier this season, it’s been abnormally quiet for weeks now, without anything concerning on the horizon at this point. I know things could always change later in the season, but my point is these “predictions” have become almost meaningless. Last year, “they” overly-hyped up the number of potential landfall hurricanes as well.

Just like they “hype up” the heat index on a daily basis rather than just report the temperature. And they neglect to explain that it just a theoretical number derived from a mathematical comparison to a temperature of 81F and 40% relative humidity

[LeRoySmith]

I own a share of oil land

You are EVil and certain TOTV posters will never acknowledge you again. You are dead to them.

STOP OIL NOW

I think you should cleanse yourself and donate said ground to me. 😃

[Taltarzac725]

Plus global warming inhibits hurricane (and tornado) formation -- but the media will not report this.

False. Google it.

[golfing eagles]

False. Google it.

Yeah, right. It makes TV and newspaper headlines all the time :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[fdpaq0580]

Notice that the media won't say why the hurricanes are reluctant to appear in what was promised to be an epic storm year, and they won't say why the Sahara now has monsoon-like weather -- all unprecedented events. Anyone want to venture why this is?

I've seen reports on msm that pointed it out. Maybe you don’t watch mainstream media? Just a thought. 🤔

[sounding]

False. Google it.

No need to Google it. You only need to see it for yourself by simply looking at data. Global warming inhibits hurricanes and tornadoes. Why this happens is explained at The Weather Club.

[sounding]

I've seen reports on msm that pointed it out. Maybe you don’t watch mainstream media? Just a thought. 🤔

But the MSM doesn't say WHY they are happening. It's what they don't say that's the important part.