View Full Version : Invasive Brown Anoles
Windguy
08-28-2024, 09:43 PM
Hi,
We recently had a discussion about dealing with the invasive brown Cuban anoles. There were some pretty divided opinions about what to do with them and no general concensus. So, I decided to get an official ruling. I went to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission web site to ask them. Here is their response to my question:
I appreciate your interest regarding invasive nonnative species. Nonnative reptiles, including brown anoles can cause negative affects on Florida's ecosystem including outcompeting native wildlife for food an habitat. Certainly no-one is required or would be forced to capture and humanely kill nonnative reptiles, however, if you have interest in doing so you should ensure you are on private property with landowner permission. Additionally, any nonnative species must be humanely killed following AVMA guidelines, more information on removing nonnative and humane killing protocols can be found on our website (Humane Killing Methods for Nonnative Reptiles | FWC (https://myfwc.com/wildlifehabitats/nonnatives/python/humane-killing-methods/)).
Some of you want to control these illegal aliens and others wouldn’t want to kill these cute lizards. I wonder if people would feel the same if they looked like spiders.
You can use this information however you like.
ThirdOfFive
08-29-2024, 06:00 AM
Hi,
We recently had a discussion about dealing with the invasive brown Cuban anoles. There were some pretty divided opinions about what to do with them and no general concensus. So, I decided to get an official ruling. I went to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission web site to ask them. Here is their response to my question:
Some of you want to control these illegal aliens and others wouldn’t want to kill these cute lizards. I wonder if people would feel the same if they looked like spiders.
You can use this information however you like.
Checking the data, Florida is currently home to over five hundred invasive species of various types. That's quite a lot. But this particular critter, the Cuban Brown Anole, has been in Florida (or at least reported in Florida) since before WW 2 and has no negative traits except that it competes with the Green Anole for food and may carry parasites. Since there seems to be plenty of Green Anoles arouind, and just about all reptiles carry parasites (DVM360: " It is believed that most if not all reptiles and amphibians living in the wild harbor parasites.) it doesn't sound like this particular critter is anything to get one's undies in a bundle over.
If I was worried about invasive species in Florida, I'd be far more concerned about the wild boars.
JohnN
08-29-2024, 06:02 AM
If I was worried about invasive species in Florida, I'd be far more concerned about the wild boars.
and PYTHONS
LeRoySmith
08-29-2024, 06:05 AM
and PYTHONS
And New Yorkers! Please don't pith them, they don't mean any harm.
Windguy
08-29-2024, 06:21 AM
Checking the data, Florida is currently home to over five hundred invasive species of various types. That's quite a lot. But this particular critter, the Cuban Brown Anole, has been in Florida (or at least reported in Florida) since before WW 2 and has no negative traits except that it competes with the Green Anole for food and may carry parasites. Since there seems to be plenty of Green Anoles arouind, and just about all reptiles carry parasites (DVM360: " It is believed that most if not all reptiles and amphibians living in the wild harbor parasites.) it doesn't sound like this particular critter is anything to get one's undies in a bundle over.
If I was worried about invasive species in Florida, I'd be far more concerned about the wild boars.
Well, Fish and Wildlife disagrees with you when you say they are no big deal. As for pythons and wild boar, I’ve never seen any of them in my lanai or inside my house. Even as a native Floridian, I’ve never seen either of them anywhere. When I was a kid in Miami, we loved the green anoles and liked the way they changed colors. We called them chameleons. After living out west for a few decades, I moved to TV 10 years ago. I saw my first green anole few weeks ago. I miss them.
A species doesn’t have to be deadly to damage the environment.
Dusty_Star
08-29-2024, 06:58 AM
If I was worried about invasive species in Florida, I'd be far more concerned about the wild boars.
& Nile crocodiles!!!
Taltarzac725
08-29-2024, 07:19 AM
They eat the ants which I really find helpful. The lizards I mean. Not the ants. Those white legged ants are a real nuisance and are also an invasive non-native species rather new to the Villages.
Topspinmo
08-29-2024, 07:54 AM
Hi,
We recently had a discussion about dealing with the invasive brown Cuban anoles. There were some pretty divided opinions about what to do with them and no general concensus. So, I decided to get an official ruling. I went to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission web site to ask them. Here is their response to my question
Some of you want to control these illegal aliens and others wouldn’t want to kill these cute lizards. I wonder if people would feel the same if they looked like spiders.
You can use this information however you like.
Didn’t waste my time reading cause florida has bigger fish to fry.
I find them beneficial and I don’t care what FFG says, they catch insects and do IMO absolutely no harm. IMO it’s some invasive humans bulldozing every square inch also problem.
Topspinmo
08-29-2024, 07:58 AM
& Nile crocodiles!!!
And anaconda’s, snakehead’s, cane toads to name few more.
OrangeBlossomBaby
08-29-2024, 08:09 AM
I say let nature sort itself out. All wild reptiles live with the risk of parasites. So there's nothing more risky about brown anoles compared to Carolina anoles (the light ones that live in the trees). Brown ones prefer the ground, Carolina ones prefer the trees, so there's not TOO much crossover there. They eat pretty much the same thing, so if you have a lot of them in your yard, it means they're being fed well. That means - you have a LOT of bugs and insects in your yard. They wouldn't thrive there if you didn't. Be grateful they're there to clean up on your behalf.
I've definitely seen a couple or three varieties of anoles around my house lately. But the juveniles are hatched and running around now, some are already mating. So 'tis the season and seeing them is expected.
Velvet
08-29-2024, 08:11 AM
I train mine. They would hang by the garage door or front door and come in then I couldn’t find them and they die. So I put vinegar in a spray bottle (which also gets rid of the bugs they are sticking around for) and spray (not on plants) as soon as I open the door. They can also hear, unlike snakes who are deaf but I have a blower for them) and I’ve trained them to move away from where I am by simply clapping or saying, “s h i t z” which translated into English, means “scat”. Sometimes the leader stands on a rock and blows out his orange throat at me, and I just clap near his ear and he backs off. Lately I’ve just been using water in my spray bottle. High percentage vinegar killed one, which had not been my intention.
I have noticed too that the beautiful native emerald green smaller anoles are now almost completely gone.
LeRoySmith
08-29-2024, 10:09 AM
Does anyone know what this is?
Blueblaze
08-29-2024, 10:37 AM
Does anyone know what this is?
I believe that's a "Skink", although it's probably some Florida-specific version. Even the cardinals have a different accent here, and I've lived in the South my whole life.
Dusty_Star
08-29-2024, 10:53 AM
....
I have noticed too that the beautiful native emerald green smaller anoles are now almost completely gone.
I've just recently seen a few of the green ones on my property.
Blueblaze
08-29-2024, 11:01 AM
Species have been invading new environments since before there were people. Cuba is only 90 miles away, and we're surprised that a nearly identical lizard somehow found his way here? Who cares?
I think it's funny how the same people who freak out over "invasive species" generally consider a human invasion to be good for "diversity". If species were never allowed to invade new environments, 8 billion homo-sapiens would today be packed into three small countries in Africa.
Yes, snakes are (rather lousy) predators. I bet most of the rats they live on will adapt. I just find it really hard to get all that concerned about non-venomous pythons in the jungles of Florida, or non-native Iguanas hanging out on a street in Key West. I even sorta wish some of Tampa's cute monk parakeets would invade the Villages
In fact, I kinda like the brown lizards a little better than the native green ones, to tell you the truth. They seem friendlier and therefore easier to catch, when they get lost in my lanai and need a helping hand to get out.
DonH57
08-29-2024, 11:17 AM
I would think most of the assorted birds I've seen here in the villages would enjoy a variety of anoles just as we enjoy our variety of foods.
blueash
08-29-2024, 12:59 PM
Yes, snakes are (rather lousy) predators. I bet most of the rats they live on will adapt. I just find it really hard to get all that concerned about non-venomous pythons in the jungles of Florida .
May I gently suggest facts that may change your opinion about lack of harm from pythons as they are "rather lousy predators" The other species that used to populate the Everglades would beg to disagree if they had survived the python invasion.
Pythons compete with native wildlife for food, which includes mammals, birds, and other reptiles. Severe declines in mammal populations throughout Everglades National Park have been linked to Burmese pythons, with the most severe declines in native species having occurred in the remote southernmost regions of the Park where pythons have been established the longest. A 2012 study found that populations of raccoons had declined 99.3 percent, opossums 98.9 percent, and bobcats 87.5 percent since 1997 (Mammal Decline). Marsh rabbits, cottontail rabbits, and foxes effectively disappeared over that time
Now 12 years after that data was collected it is so much more extensive with the pythons range extending beyond the areas where they were found in 2012.
OrangeBlossomBaby
08-29-2024, 01:14 PM
Does anyone know what this is?
That's a 5-lined skink.
LeRoySmith
08-29-2024, 02:00 PM
That's a 5-lined skink.
I believe that's a "Skink", although it's probably some Florida-specific version.
Thank you, I hope they like bugs cause I seem to have several running around here, and brown anoles.
OrangeBlossomBaby
08-29-2024, 04:35 PM
Thank you, I hope they like bugs cause I seem to have several running around here, and brown anoles.
Yup. Most lizards of that size will eat insects, spiders, beetles, and even smaller lizards. Skinks are omnivorous and like berries as well.
Reptiles are awesome! (I once had a job working in the reptile room of an exotic small pet shop back north, feeding snakes and cleaning lizards' cages)
Topspinmo
08-29-2024, 06:50 PM
I train mine. They would hang by the garage door or front door and come in then I couldn’t find them and they die. So I put vinegar in a spray bottle (which also gets rid of the bugs they are sticking around for) and spray (not on plants) as soon as I open the door. They can also hear, unlike snakes who are deaf but I have a blower for them) and I’ve trained them to move away from where I am by simply clapping or saying, “s h i t z” which translated into English, means “scat”. Sometimes the leader stands on a rock and blows out his orange throat at me, and I just clap near his ear and he backs off. Lately I’ve just been using water in my spray bottle. High percentage vinegar killed one, which had not been my intention.
I have noticed too that the beautiful native emerald green smaller anoles are now almost completely gone.
They’re hiding in green bushes… I have green ones up in my queen palms. Occasionally I see them coming down the palm and jump into green bushes. I notice they didn’t turn red when I see them in my copper leafs?
Nana2Teddy
08-30-2024, 06:09 AM
We have a variety of lizards. I have to admit when we first closed escrow on our new home here in DeLuna in Dec 2022, I was worried that we had no lizards or frogs because I love critters. Well, almost two years later and they have exploded. All colors, including many green ones, and all sizes. We’ve seen ones so tiny their tail was still just a nub, which I at first thought was an insect.
We only occasionally see a green tree frog, but have several native southern toads that come out only at night. We can hear them chirp occasionally during the day behind our rock waterfall where they hide. We started with only one last summer, and this year have at least three. They’re cool!
Rocksnap
08-30-2024, 06:37 AM
And New Yorkers! Please don't pith them, they don't mean any harm.
Oh geeze, not New Yorkers. Talk about invasive!
Rocksnap
08-30-2024, 06:41 AM
Species have been invading new environments since before there were people. Cuba is only 90 miles away, and we're surprised that a nearly identical lizard somehow found his way here? Who cares?
I think it's funny how the same people who freak out over "invasive species" generally consider a human invasion to be good for "diversity". If species were never allowed to invade new environments, 8 billion homo-sapiens would today be packed into three small countries in Africa.
Yes, snakes are (rather lousy) predators. I bet most of the rats they live on will adapt. I just find it really hard to get all that concerned about non-venomous pythons in the jungles of Florida, or non-native Iguanas hanging out on a street in Key West. I even sorta wish some of Tampa's cute monk parakeets would invade the Villages
In fact, I kinda like the brown lizards a little better than the native green ones, to tell you the truth. They seem friendlier and therefore easier to catch, when they get lost in my lanai and need a helping hand to get out.
I’m thinking a little more research on your end would change your tune. Many invasive species decimate their environment of normal critters.
Windguy
08-30-2024, 07:16 AM
Didn’t waste my time reading cause florida has bigger fish to fry.
I find them beneficial and I don’t care what FFG says, they catch insects and do IMO absolutely no harm. IMO it’s some invasive humans bulldozing every square inch also problem.
Yes. You are not alone. Many Americans don’t like science.
The native green anoles have the same diet, so they would step in to eat the same insects if we helped them recuperate.
Topspinmo
08-30-2024, 07:29 AM
Yes. You are not alone. Many Americans don’t like science.
The native green anoles have the same diet, so they would step in to eat the same insects if we helped them recuperate.
Plenty of insects in Florida to be shared. Insects and bulldozers are abundant. There also growing sheep population.
Windguy
08-30-2024, 07:30 AM
I say let nature sort itself out.
That can be a real problem. I read recently that someone let their goldfish go in a small pond near a large lake. They are growing very large and are eating all the snails and other species that help control the ecosystem and the pond is dying. I think they wiped out the other fish in the pond. The pond is filled with scum, now. If the large lake dies with it, then fishing, boating, skiing, and other recreation will end.
Scientists are worried that the goldfish could somehow get into the large lake (birds losing their grip on them?) and destroy it, too. Apparently, they are not good tasting, so people won’t eat them. There is a bounty on them.
Please, everyone, don’t release your unwanted pets into the environment.
Topspinmo
08-30-2024, 07:34 AM
That can be a real problem. I read recently that someone let their goldfish go in a small pond near a large lake. They are growing very large and are eating all the snails and other species that help control the ecosystem and the pond is dying. I think they wiped out the other fish in the pond. The pond is filled with scum, now. If the large lake dies with it, then fishing, boating, skiing, and other recreation will end.
Scientists are worried that the goldfish could somehow get into the large lake (birds losing their grip on them?) and destroy it, too. Apparently, they are not good tasting, so people won’t eat them. There is a bounty on them.
Please, everyone, don’t release your unwanted pets into the environment.
Don’t you mean Asian carp?
airstreamingypsy
08-30-2024, 07:35 AM
Does anyone know what this is?
Blue Tail Skink.
Vleka
08-30-2024, 07:45 AM
Does anyone know what this is?
Skinks are a protected species.
LeRoySmith
08-30-2024, 08:02 AM
Skinks are a protected species.
I just read all about them. It turns out they eat primarily cockroaches, this is now a protected species on my pool deck too! Wikipedia says this type only live in 3 countries in Central Florida.
PugMom
08-30-2024, 08:06 AM
but they aren't spiders. leave them be & devote time to more worthy subjects. try to learn to live with them, they ARE cute & mine have names
PugMom
08-30-2024, 08:08 AM
Yup. Most lizards of that size will eat insects, spiders, beetles, and even smaller lizards. Skinks are omnivorous and like berries as well.
Reptiles are awesome! (I once had a job working in the reptile room of an exotic small pet shop back north, feeding snakes and cleaning lizards' cages)
me too! i worked part time @ a Magic Pet, then All About Pets in Wallingford. wasn't it a great job?? :pepper2:
ThirdOfFive
08-30-2024, 08:13 AM
ALL species are "invasive" when they first appear. It is just the way nature works.
Up North (Mississippi River basin and surrounding areas), Asian (silver) Carp moved in and of course became the cause du jour for the environmental watchdogs among us. Large fish--reproduce like crazy--and baaaaaaaaaad for the environment! Many outlandish plans and Rube Goldberg types of inventions were concocted and implemented to stop their spread. All had one thing in common. They didn't work. They're firmly established now in thirteen states and further spread is inevitable.
But...is further spread bad? Silver carp unfortunately bear the name "carp" but there is very little resemblance between them and our native species, and as time goes on more and more of their positive attributes are coming to light. They're omnivores and primarily bottom feeders. One of their favorite foods happens to be Zebra and Quagga mussels, themselves also invasive species which have come in for more then their fair share of criticism. They can grow pretty large: 20 lbs. on average but they can get as large as 80 lbs. They also spook easily, having a habit of jumping high out of the water when boats with motors appear.
Oh...and they're also delicious. I've eaten them in Asia (where they're farmed for just that purpose) and can attest to that. Other positives: as they're primarily bottom feeders their flesh contains very little mercury compared to fish in the same waters that eat each other. Their habit of jumping in panic when they hear boat motors has led to many "redneck" fishing tournaments where boats containing folks with landing nets on large handles and probably a plentiful supply of beer crisscross waters containing the carp and snatch them out of the air. And ironically, some Illinois entrepreneurs are catching the critters, processing them and selling them not just to American markets but also to China!
So...they're big. And plentiful. And delicious (and safe) to eat. Bottom line is that they're a cheap and abundant source of protein that we're only just beginning to discover what an invaluable resource they may prove to be.
Now I'm not suggesting that Cuban brown anoles are going to be appearing in restaurants any time soon, but just because a critter is "invasive" does NOT necessarily mean it is bad for the environment.
MandoMan
08-30-2024, 08:33 AM
Hi,
We recently had a discussion about dealing with the invasive brown Cuban anoles. There were some pretty divided opinions about what to do with them and no general concensus. So, I decided to get an official ruling. I went to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission web site to ask them. Here is their response to my question:
Some of you want to control these illegal aliens and others wouldn’t want to kill these cute lizards. I wonder if people would feel the same if they looked like spiders.
You can use this information however you like.
The most humane way of killing they is to step on them. Instant. Pain free. Also vigorous exercise.
Topspinmo
08-30-2024, 09:35 AM
The most humane way of killing they is to step on them. Instant. Pain free. Also vigorous exercise.
Do you step on honey bees also? :throwtomatoes: like we see them nowadays…
OrangeBlossomBaby
08-30-2024, 10:15 AM
me too! i worked part time @ a Magic Pet, then All About Pets in Wallingford. wasn't it a great job?? :pepper2:
Wallingford Connecticut? You mean the All Pets Club next to Staples? That's where I got most of my cat food when I lived up north! I used to work at that Staples.
OrangeBlossomBaby
08-30-2024, 10:20 AM
ALL species are "invasive" when they first appear. It is just the way nature works.
Up North (Mississippi River basin and surrounding areas), Asian (silver) Carp moved in and of course became the cause du jour for the environmental watchdogs among us. Large fish--reproduce like crazy--and baaaaaaaaaad for the environment! Many outlandish plans and Rube Goldberg types of inventions were concocted and implemented to stop their spread. All had one thing in common. They didn't work. They're firmly established now in thirteen states and further spread is inevitable.
But...is further spread bad? Silver carp unfortunately bear the name "carp" but there is very little resemblance between them and our native species, and as time goes on more and more of their positive attributes are coming to light. They're omnivores and primarily bottom feeders. One of their favorite foods happens to be Zebra and Quagga mussels, themselves also invasive species which have come in for more then their fair share of criticism. They can grow pretty large: 20 lbs. on average but they can get as large as 80 lbs. They also spook easily, having a habit of jumping high out of the water when boats with motors appear.
Oh...and they're also delicious. I've eaten them in Asia (where they're farmed for just that purpose) and can attest to that. Other positives: as they're primarily bottom feeders their flesh contains very little mercury compared to fish in the same waters that eat each other. Their habit of jumping in panic when they hear boat motors has led to many "redneck" fishing tournaments where boats containing folks with landing nets on large handles and probably a plentiful supply of beer crisscross waters containing the carp and snatch them out of the air. And ironically, some Illinois entrepreneurs are catching the critters, processing them and selling them not just to American markets but also to China!
So...they're big. And plentiful. And delicious (and safe) to eat. Bottom line is that they're a cheap and abundant source of protein that we're only just beginning to discover what an invaluable resource they may prove to be.
Now I'm not suggesting that Cuban brown anoles are going to be appearing in restaurants any time soon, but just because a critter is "invasive" does NOT necessarily mean it is bad for the environment.
Smoked carp is also a Jewish delicacy. We would sometimes get a 1/4 pound of it from the M&T kosher Deli in Westville to share among the four of us when I was growing up. Just a couple bites. I can't get smoked carp OR smoked sable near me now but I do sometimes pick up some smoked sable when I visit my dad. That stuff is like $38/pound so I just get 1/8 of a pound. Insanely expensive.
Glowing Horizon
08-30-2024, 12:16 PM
We have a variety of lizards. I have to admit when we first closed escrow on our new home here in DeLuna in Dec 2022, I was worried that we had no lizards or frogs because I love critters. Well, almost two years later and they have exploded. All colors, including many green ones, and all sizes. We’ve seen ones so tiny their tail was still just a nub, which I at first thought was an insect.
We only occasionally see a green tree frog, but have several native southern toads that come out only at night. We can hear them chirp occasionally during the day behind our rock waterfall where they hide. We started with only one last summer, and this year have at least three. They’re cool!
Weird lizard fact: when anoles are caught by the tail, the tail can simply snap off & the anole will live the remainder of its life with just a stub. The part of the tail that snapped off continues to wiggle for a while. Gross, IMO! but its a defense mechanism to get away from predators. Some reportedly can grow a new tail but I’ve never seen that happen.
Glowing Horizon
08-30-2024, 12:20 PM
I just read all about them. It turns out they eat primarily cockroaches, this is now a protected species on my pool deck too! Wikipedia says this type only live in 3 countries in Central Florida.
The birds, raccoons & other predators of the anoles need food too.
Bonanza
08-30-2024, 12:54 PM
Hi,
We recently had a discussion about dealing with the invasive brown Cuban anoles. There were some pretty divided opinions about what to do with them and no general concensus. So, I decided to get an official ruling. I went to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission web site to ask them. Here is their response to my question:
Some of you want to control these illegal aliens and others wouldn’t want to kill these cute lizards. I wonder if people would feel the same if they looked like spiders.
You can use this information however you like.
And the purpose of your comment is . . . . ???
tophcfa
08-30-2024, 01:17 PM
What’s not to like about the little critters, that don’t bother humans, they eat bugs, the birds eat them, they don’t try to sell you insurance, and they are kinda cute.
nn0wheremann
08-30-2024, 04:33 PM
And New Yorkers! Please don't pith them, they don't mean any harm.
By all means, don’t pith them off. They might get unruly.
LeRoySmith
08-30-2024, 04:40 PM
Weird lizard fact: when anoles are caught by the tail, the tail can simply snap off & the anole will live the remainder of its life with just a stub. The part of the tail that snapped off continues to wiggle for a while. Gross, IMO! but its a defense mechanism to get away from predators. Some reportedly can grow a new tail but I’ve never seen that happen.
I would have gladly left my tail behind if it had helped me escape my first wife, I did leave about 60% of my donkey behind but that wasn't good enough.
Blueblaze
08-30-2024, 05:04 PM
I’m thinking a little more research on your end would change your tune. Many invasive species decimate their environment of normal critters.
You might have a point there. I've noticed that you hardly ever see a teenager at McDonald's these days. And, when I was a kid, American cars were made in America by Americans. I think the work environment must have got decimated or something.
Nana2Teddy
08-30-2024, 08:53 PM
Weird lizard fact: when anoles are caught by the tail, the tail can simply snap off & the anole will live the remainder of its life with just a stub. The part of the tail that snapped off continues to wiggle for a while. Gross, IMO! but its a defense mechanism to get away from predators. Some reportedly can grow a new tail but I’ve never seen that happen.
Yes, we had lots of fence lizards in our backyard at our former Calif home, and we had a cat who liked to spend her days in the backyard where she loved to hunt lizards. I occasionally found a lizard with most of its tail missing, which I assumed was because it had escaped her. The lizards (anoles) I see here are newly hatched and no more than an inch long including their nubby tail. It’s crazy how many tiny ones we’ve seen this summer. They’re taking over! LOL!
ThirdOfFive
08-31-2024, 07:45 AM
Smoked carp is also a Jewish delicacy. We would sometimes get a 1/4 pound of it from the M&T kosher Deli in Westville to share among the four of us when I was growing up. Just a couple bites. I can't get smoked carp OR smoked sable near me now but I do sometimes pick up some smoked sable when I visit my dad. That stuff is like $38/pound so I just get 1/8 of a pound. Insanely expensive.
LOVE smoked fish. Back in the day every spring we'd catch a bunch of redhorse (not sure if they're related to the carp but they certainly do look a lot alike), a rough fish like the carp with no limit or closed season. We'd clean them; mom would butterfly and soak them in brine and a couple of other spices, and smoke them.
Delicious!
tophcfa
08-31-2024, 08:56 AM
And New Yorkers! Please don't pith them, they don't mean any harm.
The upper state ones aren’t invasive, just the city species.
ThirdOfFive
08-31-2024, 09:01 AM
The upper state ones aren’t invasive, just the city species.
Heh. I really do enjoy the city variety. They're loud, brash and upfront, but they don't play games: you never have to guess at where you stand with them.
Now, if only they could pronounce the letter "R"...
LeRoySmith
08-31-2024, 07:50 PM
The upper state ones aren’t invasive, just the city species.
I find the city variety are often tough to take in a lot of places. Texas Illinois Mass NY Cali, as always there are exceptions but it's a trend that you can't ignore.
Glowing Horizon
09-01-2024, 05:16 PM
Well, Fish and Wildlife disagrees with you when you say they are no big deal. As for pythons and wild boar, I’ve never seen any of them in my lanai or inside my house. Even as a native Floridian, I’ve never seen either of them anywhere. When I was a kid in Miami, we loved the green anoles and liked the way they changed colors. We called them chameleons. After living out west for a few decades, I moved to TV 10 years ago. I saw my first green anole few weeks ago. I miss them.
A species doesn’t have to be deadly to damage the environment.
There was a video on YouTube of a bunch (or is it a gaggle or a pack?) of wild boars in TV as the boars were holding up traffic while a few police officers surveilled them. Apparently the boars were acting suspiciously. Might have looted the Wawa.
Charles K
09-02-2024, 04:35 PM
My mind originally saw the "n" as an "h".
My bad
Topspinmo
12-09-2024, 09:18 AM
Hi,
We recently had a discussion about dealing with the invasive brown Cuban anoles. There were some pretty divided opinions about what to do with them and no general concensus. So, I decided to get an official ruling. I went to the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission web site to ask them. Here is their response to my question:
Some of you want to control these illegal aliens and others wouldn’t want to kill these cute lizards. I wonder if people would feel the same if they looked like spiders.
You can use this information however you like.
Why would someone want kill something that controls insects. Another question on going kill them without killing others?
Topspinmo
12-09-2024, 09:21 AM
Yes, we had lots of fence lizards in our backyard at our former Calif home, and we had a cat who liked to spend her days in the backyard where she loved to hunt lizards. I occasionally found a lizard with most of its tail missing, which I assumed was because it had escaped her. The lizards (anoles) I see here are newly hatched and no more than an inch long including their nubby tail. It’s crazy how many tiny ones we’ve seen this summer. They’re taking over! LOL!
Don’t mean they are going to make it to adulthood.
OrangeBlossomBaby
12-09-2024, 09:57 AM
me too! i worked part time @ a Magic Pet, then All About Pets in Wallingford. wasn't it a great job?? :pepper2:
I worked at Staples in Wallingford and used to go to All Pets Club next door after work to "decompress." Hang out with the parrots, and of course pick up catfood once a week.
The place I worked with the reptile room was in Orange or Milford, on the Boston Post Road somewhere. But I also helped the owner of Animal Kingdom in Hamden hand-train the baby parrots after school.
michgary
12-10-2024, 07:56 AM
There are too many on the lanai to sit out there,,, maybe need that water and vinegar spray bottle :shrug:
Topspinmo
12-10-2024, 09:15 AM
There are too many on the lanai to sit out there,,, maybe need that water and vinegar spray bottle :shrug:
Some think one too many.
Topspinmo
01-05-2025, 06:41 PM
What’s not to like about the little critters, that don’t bother humans, they eat bugs, the birds eat them, they don’t try to sell you insurance, and they are kinda cute.
Or new roof. :duck:
vBulletin® v3.8.11, Copyright ©2000-2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.