Hurricane "Experts" backing off on extreme seasonal outlook

[AZ SLIM]

This article came out yesterday. It's fairly long report on why their forecasts are turning out to be wrong again this year. Hurricane experts now predict below-normal activity into September'''s season peak | Fox Weather (https://www.foxweather.com/weather-news/2024-hurricane-season-why-are-tropics-so-quiet)

[Two Bills]

I won't believe it until the TV Weather Club approve the report! :ho:

[Michael 61]

Imagine that -since early August “they” kept reporting, “just wait another week or so, and hurricane frequency will greatly ramp up”; It’s like “they” had a vested interest in a very active hurricane season to propel their agenda and save face from yet another year of inaccurately predicting what the season will look like.

[golfing eagles]

I won't believe it until the TV Weather Club approve the report! :ho:

Probably a very good idea!

[golfing eagles]

Imagine that -since early August “they” kept reporting, “just wait another week or so, and hurricane frequency will greatly ramp up”; It’s like “they” had a vested interest in a very active hurricane season to propel their agenda and save face from yet another year of inaccurately predicting what the season will look like.

If only it was as benign as to "save face". Unfortunately, "their" agenda is far more nefarious. The idea is to push the myth of imminent and catastrophic global warming to frighten the gullible and indoctrinated into supporting the proposed Paris accords plan of "combating" climate change to the tune of $168 TRILLION, which will line the pockets of the few that are pulling the strings of politicians, media and academia. And there is a whole array of creative taxes on the drawing board to pay for this folly. In retirement communities such as The Villages, the most frightening tax, much scarier than the specter of a warmer planet 50,000 years from now is the "wealth tax". This is where they come along and confiscate a percentage of your accumulated assets (which you have already paid tax on) each and every year. Depending on the percentage, how long do you think you'll last with this tax as well as the inflation that this ridiculous expenditure would cause????

[ThirdOfFive]

It is always something, isn't it? Every year since Katrina (which was supposed to signal the beginning of a HURRICANE ARMAGEDDON for GAWDsakes of SUPER POWERFUL STORMS that the planet has never YET SEEN), there've been excuses, one or more per year, as to just why this wasn't happening.

That info probably exists on the 'net. Be fun to find and catalog it.

It is not the end of the season yet. Hurricanes can and probably will still happen. And when they do, we will definitely hear about them. But this 18-year trend of doleful-predictions-followed-by-hollow-excuses is holding strong.

[ThirdOfFive]

It is always something, isn't it? Every year since Katrina (which was supposed to signal the beginning of a HURRICANE ARMAGEDDON for GAWDsakes of SUPER POWERFUL STORMS that the planet has never YET SEEN), there've been excuses, one or more per year, as to just why this wasn't happening.

That info probably exists on the 'net. Be fun to find and catalog it.

It is not the end of the season yet. Hurricanes can and probably will still happen. And when they do, we will definitely hear about them. But this 18-year trend of doleful-predictions-followed-by-hollow-excuses is holding strong.
Just a few of the "reasons" I was able to find.


1: The stratosphere apparently has to be abnormally warm for heightened hurricane formation. “Strong cold anomalies are being detected in the stratosphere over Southern Hemisphere. The anomalous cooling results from the water vapor coming from the January Hunga Tonga eruption. Cooling on this scale has not been seen in modern satellite records, so this is a significant event.” (Andrej Fles, “Severe Weather Europe”, 29/08/2022)

2: Subsurface ocean temps are too cool to produce energetic la Nina, which is apparently essential for hurricane formation. “Right now, the subsurface temperatures are much cooler than during El Niño…The immediate near-surface temperatures are still warmer, but the subsurface water pool and the warm water pool have dissipated, and so once that pops to the surface, it becomes La Niña,” (Pitchstone waters dot com, April 9, 2024). I wonder--how do they measure "subsurface" ocean temps, and how far down?

3: Wind Shear isn’t doing what it is supposed to be doing. “upper-level winds over the Atlantic tend to be stronger than usual, and thus stronger wind shear results. The faster air flow in the upper troposphere leads to faster wind speed with increasing height, making the upper atmosphere less favorable for tropical storm development.” (“Meet Wind Shear, the Phenomenon That Can Rip a Hurricane Apart” Zachary Handlos, Scientific American dot com, May 23, 2024)

4: Winds coming off the Sahara haven’t been as conducive to hurricane formation as usual. (Office of Response and Restoration, NOAA.GOV). A sort of confusing read.

5: “Hurricane Nadine in 2012 had dry Saharan air circulating near it—another potential inhibitor of intensification. In general, dry air can sink to the surface creating pools of cold air. The cold air often weakens the storm because it steals energy that would otherwise be available to the storm to grow stronger.” (“Since Katrina: NASA Advances Storm Models, Science”, Phys dot org, 8/21/2015

6” “Global warming is making the atmosphere more hostile to the formation of tropical cyclones.” (Andrea Thompson, Scientific American, 6/27/22).

7: “An unusual African monsoon season is not producing the sort of atmospheric seeds that typically go on to become hurricanes. Air high above the tropical Atlantic is so warm that it is actually preventing storms from brewing”. (Why Hurricane Season is Suddenly Quiet”, Scott Dance, The Washington Post). Note how this directly conflicts with Rationalization #1.

Anyway, there you have it. A hodgepodge of rationalizations, some apparently in direct contradiction to others. But all "scientific".

[firefighter4u]

If meteorologists aren't scaring you, they are not doing their job! lol

[Stu from NYC]

I will make my annual prediction for this year at the end of hurricane season. So far batting 1000.

[golfing eagles]

I will make my annual prediction for this year at the end of hurricane season. So far batting 1000.

Why bother???? Hurricanes never hit the Village of Stu :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Pondboy]

Oh no! One less hurricane. Let’s get a congressional inquiry going pronto!

It’s a guesstimate made months ago to anticipate a natural disaster. So what if it’s being downgraded.

Chill!

[golfing eagles]

I’m sure you will also be the first to complain if one was coming at you……why didn’t they tell us ?

It’s a guesstimate made months ago to anticipate a natural disaster. So what if it’s being downgraded. Chill!

What????? Huh?????

That's not what the thread is all about. No one thinks the media should not report a hurricane that is out to sea and may approach land.

The point is that certain powers have an agenda to make TRILLIONS off the backs of our citizens, and the media is either actively or tacitly complicit in pushing this false narrative by forecasting imminent doom via predictions of more frequent and devastating hurricanes and daily reports of "heat indices" vs. the actual temperatures.

[Dusty_Star]

Just a few of the "reasons" I was able to find.


1: The stratosphere apparently has to be abnormally warm for heightened hurricane formation. “Strong cold anomalies are being detected in the stratosphere over Southern Hemisphere. The anomalous cooling results from the water vapor coming from the January Hunga Tonga eruption. Cooling on this scale has not been seen in modern satellite records, so this is a significant event.” (Andrej Fles, “Severe Weather Europe”, 29/08/2022)

2: Subsurface ocean temps are too cool to produce energetic la Nina, which is apparently essential for hurricane formation. “Right now, the subsurface temperatures are much cooler than during El Niño…The immediate near-surface temperatures are still warmer, but the subsurface water pool and the warm water pool have dissipated, and so once that pops to the surface, it becomes La Niña,” (Pitchstone waters dot com, April 9, 2024). I wonder--how do they measure "subsurface" ocean temps, and how far down?

3: Wind Shear isn’t doing what it is supposed to be doing. “upper-level winds over the Atlantic tend to be stronger than usual, and thus stronger wind shear results. The faster air flow in the upper troposphere leads to faster wind speed with increasing height, making the upper atmosphere less favorable for tropical storm development.” (“Meet Wind Shear, the Phenomenon That Can Rip a Hurricane Apart” Zachary Handlos, Scientific American dot com, May 23, 2024)

4: Winds coming off the Sahara haven’t been as conducive to hurricane formation as usual. (Office of Response and Restoration, NOAA.GOV). A sort of confusing read.

5: “Hurricane Nadine in 2012 had dry Saharan air circulating near it—another potential inhibitor of intensification. In general, dry air can sink to the surface creating pools of cold air. The cold air often weakens the storm because it steals energy that would otherwise be available to the storm to grow stronger.” (“Since Katrina: NASA Advances Storm Models, Science”, Phys dot org, 8/21/2015

6” “Global warming is making the atmosphere more hostile to the formation of tropical cyclones.” (Andrea Thompson, Scientific American, 6/27/22).

7: “An unusual African monsoon season is not producing the sort of atmospheric seeds that typically go on to become hurricanes. Air high above the tropical Atlantic is so warm that it is actually preventing storms from brewing”. (Why Hurricane Season is Suddenly Quiet”, Scott Dance, The Washington Post). Note how this directly conflicts with Rationalization #1.

Anyway, there you have it. A hodgepodge of rationalizations, some apparently in direct contradiction to others. But all "scientific".


My favorite is #6. Directly against all the fear mongering of stronger & more frequent damaging storms due to 'you know what'. Rationalizations are made all over the map & that way they can pick & choose whichever story suits their purposes.

[ThirdOfFive]

What????? Huh?????

That's not what the thread is all about. No one thinks the media should not report a hurricane that is out to sea and may approach land.

The point is that certain powers have an agenda to make TRILLIONS off the backs of our citizens, and the media is either actively or tacitly complicit in pushing this false narrative by forecasting imminent doom via predictions of more frequent and devastating hurricanes and daily reports of "heat indices" vs. the actual temperatures.
All true. But it is not just the hurricanes. It is the incessant hoopla that precedes them that is fascinating. I think the progression is "tropical wave", followed by "tropical depression", followed by "tropical storm", all culminating in of course the HURRICANE. The doom-and-gloomers start their caterwauling every time a "wave" comes into being (or even if the conditions are ripe to produce one). I once looked up the frequencies of those. Can't recall exactly but it was something like only 50% of waves become "depressions, only 50% of depressions become tropical storms, and only 50% (sometimes much fewer) of tropical storms become hurricanes. But the way they're selling it Armageddon is just around the corner every time a wave appears.

But it is not just hurricanes. Back in Minnesota we had low temps in the winter as a matter of course. A favorite of forecasters seemed to be POSSIBLE wind chills, as in "wind chills are forecast to be as low as -55". That was the that limit of the range, and it rarely reached it, but it did indeed help to frighten people.

Another oddity was the "polar vortex". In the more northern climes, right after a substantial snowfall, we'd get a "Canadian High". Bright blue skies, lower temps, and wind. A Canadian High was to be welcomed: it meant that we could go out and shovel/plow the most recent accumulation, haul up some more firewood, strap on the X/C skis and go for a quick trip over the bright new snow, etc. However one day the weather guys stopped forecasting Canadian Highs and instead started calling them a "polar vortex". They (of course) emphasized the wind and the temperature drop in their forecasts, warning parents to PLEASE BE SURE L'il Jennifer was bundled to the max because of that GAWDawful polar vortex that was on the way (as if Minnesota parents don't know that already) and recommended supervision AT ALL TIMES when kids ventured out in mid-vortex.

The kicker is that one weather guy actually admitted that the term "polar vortex" was coined for precisely that reason. To generate fear.

Yep. Incite fear in the gullible and you can make them do just about anything.

[Taltarzac725]

Climate vs. weather.

And they are not very good at predicting things more than a few weeks out. But they are getting really accurate at a few hours ahead.

[Tvflguy]

This is a perfect definition of Climate Change.

[Dusty_Star]

....


The kicker is that one weather guy actually admitted that the term "polar vortex" was coined for precisely that reason. To generate fear.

Yep. Incite fear in the gullible and you can make them do just about anything.

So true!!!

[Maker]

Climate Change is now being used as the REASON for deteriorating bridges and roads up north.
Not one mention of not performing routine maintenance. Nothing about how fewer freeze/thaw cycles reduces the number of pot holes. Nothing about how cutting corners during construction causes troubles sooner than later. Nope. All due to climate change.

[MrFlorida]

Fear not ! The BUBBLE protects us...

[sounding]

This article came out yesterday. It's fairly long report on why their forecasts are turning out to be wrong again this year. Hurricane experts now predict below-normal activity into September'''s season peak | Fox Weather (https://www.foxweather.com/weather-news/2024-hurricane-season-why-are-tropics-so-quiet)

Fox News, CSU, and all the experts failed to mention the root cause of the hurricane lull ... Tonga. This was mentioned in prior Weather Club presentations, with the next one this Sep 6, at 4 PM at Lake Miona. Those who study weather data versus climate alarmism are aware of Tonga's unprecedented global warming spike, which is causing unprecedented ripple effects across the global - including monsoon-like rains in the Sahara. The reason those so-called experts refuse to mention Tonga is because it's Tonga's massive injection of "water-vapor" into the stratosphere that's causing the huge global warming temperature spike. In other words it exposes the fraudulent CO2 control-knob theory and clearly shows that water-vapor is the monster greenhouse gas control knob.

[golfing eagles]

Climate Change is now being used as the REASON for deteriorating bridges and roads up north.
Not one mention of not performing routine maintenance. Nothing about how fewer freeze/thaw cycles reduces the number of pot holes. Nothing about how cutting corners during construction causes troubles sooner than later. Nope. All due to climate change.

Just another example of pushing the false global warming agenda.

[Stu from NYC]

Why bother???? Hurricanes never hit the Village of Stu :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

They are afraid of the possible repercussions of hurting any of our residents

[justjim]

I won't believe it until the TV Weather Club approve the report! :ho:

Yep, they know more than those weather scientists who spent years educating themselves on the weather.

[sounding]

Yep, they know more than those weather scientists who spent years educating themselves on the weather.

You forget, they get paid to say certain things and for avoiding to say certain things. Anyone who worked in government (or large bureaucracies) very well know this. I personally know 2 individuals who work for NOAA who said they are not allowed to publicly voice their "expert" opinions about climate climate change while representing NOAA. In other words, those people have a choice -- support your faith or support your family -- and for the most part supporting family comes first -- except for the whistle-blowers. To hear what some are not allowed to say ... Sep 6, 4 PM, Lake Miona.

[golfing eagles]

You forget, they get paid to say certain things and for avoiding to say certain things. Anyone who worked in government (or large bureaucracies) very well know this. I personally know 2 individuals who work for NOAA who said they are not allowed to publicly voice their "expert" opinions about climate climate change while representing NOAA. In other words, those people have a choice -- support your faith or support your family -- and for the most part supporting family comes first -- except for the whistle-blowers. To hear what some are not allowed to say ... Sep 6, 4 PM, Lake Miona.

I simply repeated that post since it doesn't seem to sink into some people's heads

[Stu from NYC]

Yep, they know more than those weather scientists who spent years educating themselves on the weather.

We do keep hearing that many weather scientists are not allowed to voice their own opinions only what they are told to say

[golfing eagles]

We do keep hearing that many weather scientists are not allowed to voice their own opinions only what they are told to say

Well, they can. But it will result in loss of grant money, inability to get published, and denial of tenure----in other words, professional suicide

[Taltarzac725]

Just another example of pushing the false global warming agenda.

Kind of the opposite of the flat earth agenda. That is false but people kept pushed it.

Global warming is a reality but people keep insisting it is not happening when a lot of research shows it is very real.

And of course if some expert keeps saying the world is flat that is simply not true.

[golfing eagles]

Kind of the opposite of the flat earth agenda. That is false but people kept pushed it.

Global warming is a reality but people keep insisting it is not happening when a lot of research shows it is very real.

Correct. Global warming is a reality---it started 20,000 years ago when we were living in caves

It is happening, no one is insisting it isn't

It is real, obviously, since the Northern Hemisphere is no longer covered by 2 miles of ice

However, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH HUMAN ACTIVITY.

[Taltarzac725]

Correct. Global warming is a reality---it started 20,000 years ago when we were living in caves

It is happening, no one is insisting it isn't

It is real, obviously, since the Northern Hemisphere is no longer covered by 2 miles of ice

However, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH HUMAN ACTIVITY.

Research shows the opposite.

[golfing eagles]

Research shows the opposite.

Yes, "research"

Re-read posts #24-27. This has been explained a hundred times.

[Taltarzac725]

Yes, "research"

Re-read posts #24-27. This has been explained a hundred times.

Hardly.

Global warming is a rather settled matter. That is what scientists do. Gather facts using a hypothesis and then reach a conclusion based on their understanding of those facts.

[MrFlorida]

Whever happened to acid rain ? We were all gonna die, remember ?

[sounding]

Whever happened to acid rain ? We were all gonna die, remember ?

Acid rain was a pollution problem -- we fixed that.

Ozone hole was never proven to be human-caused.

CO2 pollution is a complete lie.

And yes we are all gonna die ... but will most likely live longer than our ancestors due, in part, to global warming and increasing CO2.

[AZ SLIM]

This article came out yesterday. It's fairly long report on why their forecasts are turning out to be wrong again this year. Hurricane experts now predict below-normal activity into September'''s season peak | Fox Weather (https://www.foxweather.com/weather-news/2024-hurricane-season-why-are-tropics-so-quiet)

As the OP I would like to conclude by pointing out that if they are so wrong about a few weeks of Hurricane season, why would anyone listen to them about what will happen decades from now. I am not rushing out to buy an EV, even though they may eventually force us to.

[MorTech]

CO2 has been pouring from the earth for billions of years and yet the atmosphere contains 0.04% CO2...Things that make you go, Huh. When someone says "settled science" it just reveals they don't know anything about science.

[sounding]

As the OP I would like to conclude by pointing out that if they are so wrong about a few weeks of Hurricane season, why would anyone listen to them about what will happen decades from now. I am not rushing out to buy an EV, even though they may eventually force us to.

Ditto. You can believe your eyes or you can believe the lies. None of the Hurricane models have ever produced an accurate complete path forecast, just like none of the Climate models have ever produced an accurate climatic change forecast. Models are not data -- they are just a crude means to move assumptions about reality into the future.

[rsmurano]

I just watched the weather and they haven’t decreased the number of tropical storms or hurricanes since they came out with their dire predictions. So now we have 1/2 the time to get in 90% of the storms in. Now they are predicting that the hurricane season will go past November this year, and I wouldn’t be surprised that in the future they will make the hurricane season year round.
Most of us aren’t that gullible, but some are and want to push this doomsday agenda to its fullest.
I’m assuming the Weather Channel is getting paid by these doomsday promoters because the last couple of years, the Weather Channel has been saying this year is the worst ever, storms are getting worse/stronger, and they are pushing the agenda to create a new “Cat 6” rating for hurricanes. I stopped watching these clowns.
Last year, I thought it was funny that the weather channel told florida evacuees don’t use their EVs when leaving because there won’t be enough charging stations on the exit route when you run out of power and I like this 1, if caught in high waters, your EV can catch fire. That had to hurt when they said this.

[spinner1001]

That is what scientists do. Gather facts using a hypothesis and then reach a conclusion based on their understanding of those facts.

That is what you imagine all scientists do. Fixed it.

Scientists are human and act on incentives, like other humans. You know that scientists have incentives other than altruism, right?

[GizmoWhiskers]

Just a few of the "reasons" I was able to find.


1: The stratosphere apparently has to be abnormally warm for heightened hurricane formation. “Strong cold anomalies are being detected in the stratosphere over Southern Hemisphere. The anomalous cooling results from the water vapor coming from the January Hunga Tonga eruption. Cooling on this scale has not been seen in modern satellite records, so this is a significant event.” (Andrej Fles, “Severe Weather Europe”, 29/08/2022)

2: Subsurface ocean temps are too cool to produce energetic la Nina, which is apparently essential for hurricane formation. “Right now, the subsurface temperatures are much cooler than during El Niño…The immediate near-surface temperatures are still warmer, but the subsurface water pool and the warm water pool have dissipated, and so once that pops to the surface, it becomes La Niña,” (Pitchstone waters dot com, April 9, 2024). I wonder--how do they measure "subsurface" ocean temps, and how far down?

3: Wind Shear isn’t doing what it is supposed to be doing. “upper-level winds over the Atlantic tend to be stronger than usual, and thus stronger wind shear results. The faster air flow in the upper troposphere leads to faster wind speed with increasing height, making the upper atmosphere less favorable for tropical storm development.” (“Meet Wind Shear, the Phenomenon That Can Rip a Hurricane Apart” Zachary Handlos, Scientific American dot com, May 23, 2024)

4: Winds coming off the Sahara haven’t been as conducive to hurricane formation as usual. (Office of Response and Restoration, NOAA.GOV). A sort of confusing read.

5: “Hurricane Nadine in 2012 had dry Saharan air circulating near it—another potential inhibitor of intensification. In general, dry air can sink to the surface creating pools of cold air. The cold air often weakens the storm because it steals energy that would otherwise be available to the storm to grow stronger.” (“Since Katrina: NASA Advances Storm Models, Science”, Phys dot org, 8/21/2015

6” “Global warming is making the atmosphere more hostile to the formation of tropical cyclones.” (Andrea Thompson, Scientific American, 6/27/22).

7: “An unusual African monsoon season is not producing the sort of atmospheric seeds that typically go on to become hurricanes. Air high above the tropical Atlantic is so warm that it is actually preventing storms from brewing”. (Why Hurricane Season is Suddenly Quiet”, Scott Dance, The Washington Post). Note how this directly conflicts with Rationalization #1.

Anyway, there you have it. A hodgepodge of rationalizations, some apparently in direct contradiction to others. But all "scientific".
Geo-engineering and weather manipulation around the globe is causing anomolies that are unpredictable worldwide. Floods in Dubai from cloud seeding to grow grass where nature says grass doesn't grow.
Floods in CA.

Creating climate change has consequences the powers that be can't necessarily predict. Meteorologists are creating new language like "corn sweating" "heat domes" in the western parts of the US which in reality is natural traspiration being corrupted by layers of SAI's blocking natural weather transpiration and evaporation. Not to mention creating heat. They report "monsoons" and "cyclones" (saaay whaaaat????) in the mid-west parts of the US... yeah, totally normal weather if you listen to weather reporters.

If only one country played God with Stratospheric Aerosol Injections, cloud bleaching, seeding and other weather modification techniques to "control climate change" or "dim the sun" they might actually be able to tell climate engineering worked. With the whole world experimenting with weather they are creating climate change and it is wreaking havoc on natural weather change including pretty much the 9 months of drought FL has experienced until the last week or so. The Villages never used to feel like AZ until FL looked the other way regarding weather control.

TN has banned ALL weather modification. Good for them! Remember living creatures are not the experiment. The weather is.

[ThirdOfFive]

As the OP I would like to conclude by pointing out that if they are so wrong about a few weeks of Hurricane season, why would anyone listen to them about what will happen decades from now. I am not rushing out to buy an EV, even though they may eventually force us to.
Why?

Because the correlation between knowledge and idealism is inverse.

[Taltarzac725]

Geo-engineering and weather manipulation around the globe is causing anomolies that are unpredictable worldwide. Floods in Dubai from cloud seeding. Groing grass when nature says grass doesn't grow. Creating climate change has consequences the powers that be can't necessarily predict. Meteorologists are creating new language like "corn sweating" "heat domes" and "cyclones" (saaay whaaaat????) in the western parts of the US which in reality is natural traspiration being corrupted by stratospheric layers blocking nature. If only one country played God with Stratosphere Aerosol Injections, cloud bleaching, seeding and other weather modification techniques to "dim the sun" they could actually tell if it worked. With the whole world experimenting with weather they are creating climate change and it is wreaking havoc on natural weather change including pretty much the 9 months of drought FL has experienced until the last week or so. The Villages never used to feel like AZ until FL lookes the other way regarding weather control. TN has banned it. Good for them!

Nice post. Not the same old Faux News garbage.

[TimTinNewell]

If meteorologists aren't scaring you, they are not doing their job! lol
My favorite optic EVER was the t.v. meteorologist who was standing out in the approaching hurricane. He could barely stand, it was SO windy and scary! Then, in the background, two dudes go walking by each holding a cup of coffee as they strolled along chatting! HaHaHa!

[Taltarzac725]

My favorite optic EVER was the t.v. meteorologist who was standing out in the approaching hurricane. He could barely stand, it was SO windy and scary! Then, in the background, two dudes go walking by each holding a cup of coffee as they strolled along chatting! HaHaHa!


We have all kinds of weather events here in Florida that can and do kill people. Thanks to all the weather people who look out for us.

Not much thanks to the flat earth society members who deny science because Fox tells them to do so that big oil can make more bucks.

[TomSpasm]

The theory that all meteorologists and other scientists studying weather related phenomena have settled into the same wacky, ridiculous global warming narrative in order to save their jobs and feed their families is pretty amusing.

[sounding]

I just watched the weather and they haven’t decreased the number of tropical storms or hurricanes since they came out with their dire predictions. So now we have 1/2 the time to get in 90% of the storms in. Now they are predicting that the hurricane season will go past November this year, and I wouldn’t be surprised that in the future they will make the hurricane season year round.
Most of us aren’t that gullible, but some are and want to push this doomsday agenda to its fullest.
I’m assuming the Weather Channel is getting paid by these doomsday promoters because the last couple of years, the Weather Channel has been saying this year is the worst ever, storms are getting worse/stronger, and they are pushing the agenda to create a new “Cat 6” rating for hurricanes. I stopped watching these clowns.
Last year, I thought it was funny that the weather channel told florida evacuees don’t use their EVs when leaving because there won’t be enough charging stations on the exit route when you run out of power and I like this 1, if caught in high waters, your EV can catch fire. That had to hurt when they said this.

Hurricane season is on life-support. Instead we now have something called Whac-A-Mole ... I mean Whac-A-Hurricane. Find out why Sep 6, 4 PM, at Lake Miona.

[NoMo50]

Hardly.

Global warming is a rather settled matter. That is what scientists do. Gather facts using a hypothesis and then reach a conclusion based on their understanding of those facts.

I think the above post needs one more word: That is what scientists should do. There are legions of examples where current "scientists" employ this maxim in reverse order. State your conclusion, then go out and cherry pick the "facts" that will appear to support that conclusion. Three simple words should be at the forefront of anyone's mind who wants to do a little fact checking: Follow the Money.

[ThirdOfFive]

We have all kinds of weather events here in Florida that can and do kill people. Thanks to all the weather people who look out for us.

Not much thanks to the flat earth society members who deny science because Fox tells them to do so that big oil can make more bucks.
I have some prime oceanfront property on the Gulf of Nebraska for sale.

Interested?

[Regorp]

This article came out yesterday. It's fairly long report on why their forecasts are turning out to be wrong again this year. Hurricane experts now predict below-normal activity into September'''s season peak | Fox Weather (https://www.foxweather.com/weather-news/2024-hurricane-season-why-are-tropics-so-quiet)

It ain't over til it's over.

[SaucyJim]

You forget, they get paid to say certain things and for avoiding to say certain things. Anyone who worked in government (or large bureaucracies) very well know this. I personally know 2 individuals who work for NOAA who said they are not allowed to publicly voice their "expert" opinions about climate climate change while representing NOAA. In other words, those people have a choice -- support your faith or support your family -- and for the most part supporting family comes first -- except for the whistle-blowers. To hear what some are not allowed to say ... Sep 6, 4 PM, Lake Miona.

Why can I not find this weather meeting on TV site? They show next meeting at Bridgeport on Sep 19th.

LMK because I want to be there.

[Taltarzac725]

I have some prime oceanfront property on the Gulf of Nebraska for sale.

Interested?

I will not reach age 12225 or whenever that might occur .

[SaucyJim]

The theory that all meteorologists and other scientists studying weather related phenomena have settled into the same wacky, ridiculous global warming narrative in order to save their jobs and feed their families is pretty amusing.

I agree. The funniest jokes are based on truth. Thanks for negating your own argument. 😎

[Taltarzac725]

The theory that all meteorologists and other scientists studying weather related phenomena have settled into the same wacky, ridiculous global warming narrative in order to save their jobs and feed their families is pretty amusing.

Well said. Now who is getting checks from big oil? Probably not the CBS weather forecasters. But the entertainment "news" channel might be another matter.

And the loudmouths you can find many other places who negate science?

[Birdrm]

This article came out yesterday. It's fairly long report on why their forecasts are turning out to be wrong again this year. Hurricane experts now predict below-normal activity into September'''s season peak | Fox Weather (https://www.foxweather.com/weather-news/2024-hurricane-season-why-are-tropics-so-quiet)

The problem with trying to forecast a overly active hurricane season is that there are a number of factors that can affect the formation and strength of hurricanes that no forecaster can see 6 months ahead. This is just part of the fear that the world is going to end unless we act now! The problem with this is that many have been saying this for decades yet here were are still doing what we were doing decades ago?

[Taltarzac725]

The problem with trying to forecast a overly active hurricane season is that there are a number of factors that can affect the formation and strength of hurricanes that no forecaster can see 6 months ahead. This is just part of the fear that the world is going to end unless we act now! The problem with this is that many have been saying this for decades yet here were are still doing what we were doing decades ago?

What global warming will look like in the future seems fairly well settled. Even if the exact number and intensity of this season's storms involve a lot of educated guesswork.

I know if I had to pick who would be operating on my mother I would not want some Joe Blow from Bodunk University but someone very well trained in what she was doing. And I would trust someone from a top meteorologist school rather than some hobbyist online about global warming. Or some "journalist" more interested in heat than light.

[sounding]

The theory that all meteorologists and other scientists studying weather related phenomena have settled into the same wacky, ridiculous global warming narrative in order to save their jobs and feed their families is pretty amusing.

I'm sure it's amazing to you, but it's a nightmare for those who work in those environments. Just mention that subject at any weather club meeting for examples of what you don't know.

[Taltarzac725]

I'm sure it's amazing to you, but it's a nightmare for those who work in those environments. Just mention that subject at any weather club meeting for examples of what you don't know.

I kind of doubt it.

Maybe a nightmare for someone bucking the system for whatever reason.

[sounding]

Why can I not find this weather meeting on TV site? They show next meeting at Bridgeport on Sep 19th.

LMK because I want to be there.

I never said the Weather Club was giving the talk on Sep 6, at 4 PM, at Lake Miona. I just said the presentation will be about Tonga and why hurricane season is on life support. The talk was requested by the Philosophy Club, which meets each Friday at 4 PM at Lake Miona. This talk was originally given at the Weather Club. It has also been given at the Science & Technology Club, and another is planned for another club next month. This is a very popular and important subject. Each time the talk is given, new data and updated information is added, which is why some people come to each talk -- because it presents information the media will not mention.

[Taltarzac725]

I never said the Weather Club was giving the talk on Sep 6, at 4 PM, at Lake Miona. I just said the presentation will be about Tonga and why hurricane season is on life support. The talk was requested by the Philosophy Club, which meets each Friday at 4 PM at Lake Miona. This talk was originally given at the Weather Club. It has also been given at the Science & Technology Club, and another is planned for another club next month. This is a very popular and important subject. Each time the talk is given, new data and updated information is added, which is why some people come to each talk -- because it presents information the media will not mention.

Probably because it is bogus.

[Ptmcbriz]

Most of you need to learn the difference between climate and weather.

Climate is many years of data and you look at the TREND. The trend over the past 150 years has scientific data showing overall warming. It’s this trend we want to reverse.

Inside the the TREND are ups and downs in yearly weather. Some warmer, some cooler. Their individual events which is WEATHER. All the thousands of ups and downs of the weather events creates the CLIMATE trend.


The trend is warmer. Stop basing a cooling season event as your proof of no Climate Change. It shows your ignorance.

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Most of you need to learn the difference between climate and weather.

Climate is many years of data and you look at the TREND. The trend over the past 150 years has scientific data showing overall warming. It’s this trend we want to reverse.

Inside the the TREND are ups and downs in yearly weather. Some warmer, some cooler. Their individual events which is WEATHER. All the thousands of ups and downs of the weather events creates the CLIMATE trend.


The trend is warmer. Stop basing a cooling season event as your proof of no Climate Change. It shows your ignorance.

Well actually, the long term trend shows cooling. But, looking at the big picture, we are warming and cooling at the same time -- it just depends on which cycle you are talking about. However, in the shorter-term, the next effect of these cycles shows we are still thawing out from the Little Ice Age.

[MorTech]

Sunspot activity has intensified in Solar Cycle 25. A lot of REAL scientists are now claiming the Ice Age termination event. Ideally conditions on earth for biological life is about 9F warmer than today, with atmospheric CO2 at about 1100 PPM (0.11%).

[MorTech]

Why would anyone trust experts...We should only trust perts.

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Sunspot activity has intensified in Solar Cycle 25. A lot of REAL scientists are now claiming the Ice Age termination event. Ideally conditions on earth for biological life is about 9F warmer than today, with atmospheric CO2 at about 1100 PPM (0.11%).

The last ice age "glaciation" terminated about 8,000 years ago, when our current Interglacial Warm Period peaked in what we now call the Holocene. We are now very slowly headed into the next glaciation.

[jimjamuser]

What????? Huh?????

That's not what the thread is all about. No one thinks the media should not report a hurricane that is out to sea and may approach land.

The point is that certain powers have an agenda to make TRILLIONS off the backs of our citizens, and the media is either actively or tacitly complicit in pushing this false narrative by forecasting imminent doom via predictions of more frequent and devastating hurricanes and daily reports of "heat indices" vs. the actual temperatures.
I just don't have that much of a problem with "heat indices".

[jimjamuser]

This article came out yesterday. It's fairly long report on why their forecasts are turning out to be wrong again this year. Hurricane experts now predict below-normal activity into September'''s season peak | Fox Weather (https://www.foxweather.com/weather-news/2024-hurricane-season-why-are-tropics-so-quiet)
The number and strength of Hurricanes and Global Warming are 2 different (but related subjects). Global Warming is the increased temperatures measured by scientists worldwide that have taken place in the last 30 or so years. Hurricanes increase with ocean temperature, but there are about 4 other factors also. Wind shear prevents hurricanes from forming. It has been HIGH for the last 3 weeks (but that could change). The tropical wave track has been pushing further north than usual. Atmospheric Stability- The air aloft is warmer than normal, which may or may not be caused by water vapor from Tonga could be keeping the upper air warm (a favorite theory by the Weather Club). MJO- an atmospheric wave that goes around the globe every 30 to 60 days.
.........Most BIG storm hits to the US have happened AFTER Sept 10 th.

[jimjamuser]

Fox News, CSU, and all the experts failed to mention the root cause of the hurricane lull ... Tonga. This was mentioned in prior Weather Club presentations, with the next one this Sep 6, at 4 PM at Lake Miona. Those who study weather data versus climate alarmism are aware of Tonga's unprecedented global warming spike, which is causing unprecedented ripple effects across the global - including monsoon-like rains in the Sahara. The reason those so-called experts refuse to mention Tonga is because it's Tonga's massive injection of "water-vapor" into the stratosphere that's causing the huge global warming temperature spike. In other words it exposes the fraudulent CO2 control-knob theory and clearly shows that water-vapor is the monster greenhouse gas control knob.
Scientists say that is ONE POSSIBLE factor out of about 5.

[jimjamuser]

Just another example of pushing the false global warming agenda.
I would have to say that Global Warming is "settled science". Since it is just recorded temperatures showing increases in about the last 30 years. There is NO mystery to recorded data.

[jimjamuser]

You forget, they get paid to say certain things and for avoiding to say certain things. Anyone who worked in government (or large bureaucracies) very well know this. I personally know 2 individuals who work for NOAA who said they are not allowed to publicly voice their "expert" opinions about climate climate change while representing NOAA. In other words, those people have a choice -- support your faith or support your family -- and for the most part supporting family comes first -- except for the whistle-blowers. To hear what some are not allowed to say ... Sep 6, 4 PM, Lake Miona.
2 people out of hundreds of thousands of climate experts worldwide. I doubt there could be a conspiracy that BIG.

[jimjamuser]

Correct. Global warming is a reality---it started 20,000 years ago when we were living in caves

It is happening, no one is insisting it isn't

It is real, obviously, since the Northern Hemisphere is no longer covered by 2 miles of ice

However, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH HUMAN ACTIVITY.
Simply look at the temperature increases worldwide in the last 30 years. That data does NOT lie.

[jimjamuser]

Acid rain was a pollution problem -- we fixed that.

Ozone hole was never proven to be human-caused.

CO2 pollution is a complete lie.

And yes we are all gonna die ... but will most likely live longer than our ancestors due, in part, to global warming and increasing CO2.
Crop yield have stopped rising in last 2 years in the US. The soil has been over-fertilized and over used. And since we supply food to much of the world - there is going to be starvation in many parts. And they will be marching North of the equator due to Global Warming destroying their farming lives. Many are all ready here.

[jimjamuser]

Crop yield have stopped rising in last 2 years in the US. The soil has been over-fertilized and over used. And since we supply food to much of the world - there is going to be starvation in many parts. And they will be marching North of the equator due to Global Warming destroying their farming lives. Many are all ready here.

[jimjamuser]

The problem with trying to forecast a overly active hurricane season is that there are a number of factors that can affect the formation and strength of hurricanes that no forecaster can see 6 months ahead. This is just part of the fear that the world is going to end unless we act now! The problem with this is that many have been saying this for decades yet here were are still doing what we were doing decades ago?
Look at a graph of world population. 2 decades ago it was much less.

[jimjamuser]

Why would anyone trust experts...We should only trust perts.
So experts are RETIRED PERTS ?

[jimjamuser]

The last ice age "glaciation" terminated about 8,000 years ago, when our current Interglacial Warm Period peaked in what we now call the Holocene. We are now very slowly headed into the next glaciation.
So many pretty colors. Someone may get HIGH on that graph.

[ThirdOfFive]

I would have to say that Global Warming is "settled science". Since it is just recorded temperatures showing increases in about the last 30 years. There is NO mystery to recorded data.
Is science ever really "settled"?

I've always seen science as the logical formulation of theories based on all pertinent current data, with the understanding that as more data comes to light, those theories may be revised slightly, altered significantly, or even negated totally. History is replete with examples of "settled science" undergoing such changes. Phrenology, determining personality traits by the shape of one's skull, was "science" in roughly the first half of the 19th century before more information coming to light completely discredited it. But my favorite has to be the science of astronomy. It was "settled science" back in the fifteenth century that the earth was the center of pretty much everything. I mean, you could SEE it. The Sun faithfully circled the earth once every 24 hours. Likewise for the moon and most of the stars (those pesky points of light called "wanderers" didn't always follow the same paths and procedures of the other stars but they were at least predictable. Besides, the earth as the center of everything jived pretty neatly with the current religious thought of the day. Then along comes Galileo, expanding on a theory of Copernicus, and with this newfangled scientific instrument called a telescope and throws the whole settled science of astronomy for a loop. His observations proved that what you SEE isn't always what IS. The church branded him as a heretic and he nearly lost his life in the process. I think it took the church something like 300 years to finally admit that they were wrong and Galileo was right.

Such is what happens when "settled science" becomes dogma.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Don't be so sure of backing off extreme forecasting!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/meteorologists-warn-of-considerable-weather-threat-approaching-florida/ar-AA1q0HmQ

They are still at it. .

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Don't be so sure of backing off extreme forecasting!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/meteorologists-warn-of-considerable-weather-threat-approaching-florida/ar-AA1q0HmQ

They are still at it. .

They have to keep the public continually alarmed in order to control them. Since there is no climate crisis -- they have make up the crisis of the day. It's both funny and sad to see.

[fdpaq0580]

Correct. Global warming is a reality---it started 20,000 years ago when we were living in caves

It is happening, no one is insisting it isn't

It is real, obviously, since the Northern Hemisphere is no longer covered by 2 miles of ice

However, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH HUMAN ACTIVITY.

Yeah! It really does! 🫠🫠🫠

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Yeah! It really does! 🫠🫠🫠

So how much did man-made CO2 "really" warm the earth last year?

[fdpaq0580]

I think the above post needs one more word: That is what scientists should do. There are legions of examples where current "scientists" employ this maxim in reverse order. State your conclusion, then go out and cherry pick the "facts" that will appear to support that conclusion. Three simple words should be at the forefront of anyone's mind who wants to do a little fact checking: Follow the Money.

Fact check your preferred "scientists". Follow big oil money to see where it goes. And your right that scientists should report truth. If they all did, then everyone would agree that human activity and industry is pushing global warming ever faster. 🫥😒

[fdpaq0580]

Whever happened to acid rain ? We were all gonna die, remember ?

Still around, I'm sad to say. Now one part of larger issues.

[fdpaq0580]

Hurricane season is on life-support. Instead we now have something called Whac-A-Mole ... I mean Whac-A-Hurricane. Find out why Sep 6, 4 PM, at Lake Miona.

Whac-A-Hurricane? Cute! 😏🙄

[MorTech]

Crop yield have stopped rising in last 2 years in the US. The soil has been over-fertilized and over used. And since we supply food to much of the world - there is going to be starvation in many parts. And they will be marching North of the equator due to Global Warming destroying their farming lives. Many are all ready here.

This is just plain laughable...There really is no helping you.
Just how long is the growing season in Colombia compared to Illinois?
You do know that fertilizer raises crop yields...Riiight?
How exactly does soil get "over used"? Soil is just soil.

Crop yields and productivity in the Mississippi river system are - By far - the highest in the world...Even with the short growing season.

It's a simple concept: Atmospheric H2O and CO2 rise as global temperatures rise...Permafrost thaws and deserts revert back into forests and steppes...Plant life flourishes and crop yields increase and growing seasons lengthen...More natural nitrogen fertilizer is
created from increased lightning energy. This is literally GRADE SCHOOL science.

Looking at it scientifically, the Earth is very near to being a cold and dead planet (most of the earth surface is permafrost and desert) with low temperatures and low atmospheric CO2 and low cloud cover/rain.

Anyway...Why bother.

[MorTech]

Environmentalism is obviously just another religion.

[golfing eagles]

Yeah! It really does! 🫠🫠🫠

Then explain how exactly the same climate changes have occurred dozens of times before humans were walking upright?????

Classic case of post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Here's an analogy:

Every year on July 4th for over a hundred years millions of fireworks are set off. Next year I'm going to eat a cupcake on July 3rd, and convince everyone else to do the same. Therefore, cupcakes will have CAUSED noise on July 4th. An entire cult of anti-cupcake minions arises, funded by the popsicle industry that will make a fortune if they can convince people to switch to "combat" cupcake eating. They permeate government, media and universities. "Scientists" publish studies claiming cupcakes will cause imminent worldwide catastrophes. Corporations push popsicles over cupcakes. The news does "hit pieces" on the evil of cupcakes. The weak minded give in to this Jedi mind trick.

But in reality, ONE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER.

[Stu from NYC]

Then explain how exactly the same climate changes have occurred dozens of times before humans were walking upright?????

Classic case of post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Here's an analogy:

Every year on July 4th for over a hundred years millions of fireworks are set off. Next year I'm going to eat a cupcake on July 3rd, and convince everyone else to do the same. Therefore, cupcakes will have CAUSED noise on July 4th. An entire cult of anti-cupcake minions arises, funded by the popsicle industry that will make a fortune if they can convince people to switch to "combat" cupcake eating. They permeate government, media and universities. "Scientists" publish studies claiming cupcakes will cause imminent worldwide catastrophes. Corporations push popsicles over cupcakes. The news does "hit pieces" on the evil of cupcakes. The weak minded give in to this Jedi mind trick.

But in reality, ONE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER.

Can I have a black and white cookie instead?

[golfing eagles]

Can I have a black and white cookie instead?

No, the black and white cookie cult is a subset of the anti-cupcake cult. You need special qualifications to join, like a complete inability to see the forest for the trees and an ability to ignore the fact that cupcake induced Independence Day noise is a myth.

[ThirdOfFive]

This is just plain laughable...There really is no helping you.
Just how long is the growing season in Colombia compared to Illinois?
You do know that fertilizer raises crop yields...Riiight?
How exactly does soil get "over used"? Soil is just soil.

Crop yields and productivity in the Mississippi river system are - By far - the highest in the world...Even with the short growing season.

It's a simple concept: Atmospheric H2O and CO2 rise as global temperatures rise...Permafrost thaws and deserts revert back into forests and steppes...Plant life flourishes and crop yields increase and growing seasons lengthen...More natural nitrogen fertilizer is
created from increased lightning energy. This is literally GRADE SCHOOL science.

Looking at it scientifically, the Earth is very near to being a cold and dead planet (most of the earth surface is permafrost and desert) with low temperatures and low atmospheric CO2 and low cloud cover/rain.

Anyway...Why bother.
All the hoopla aside, it is pretty much undeniable that the human race does better when things warm up, worse when it cools off.

But there is some scary stuff out there. Back in my younger days I was aware, through friends and some attendance on my part, of the "environmental" movement. A lot of the organizations that are now (unfortunately or not) part of our lives as Americans got their beginnings back then: the Environmental Justice Movement of the early 1980s, save the ozone, PETA, Denis Hayes and the Earth Day movement, etc. etc. Without going into details, there were a fair number of extremists flying under the radar; people who saw this stuff as gospel as well as others who may not so much have believed in the hype and hoopla quite as strongly as the True Believers but who were nevertheless adept at organizing, indoctrinating and demonstrating.

One of the topics that got a fair amount of play, at least among the folks I knew, was that North America, in an ideal situation where human activity was NOT harming the environment, could support at most eleven million hunter-gatherers. I'm not joking when I say that such a prospect was given serious thought by the more extreme folks. It was ludicrous then and even more so now, but one has to consider just what ARE the long-term goals of the more extreme environmentalists, especially considering the practice of no goal reached is ever enough: I seriously doubt that if an extreme environmental group saw all of their goals achieved one day, that they'd NOT have a list of even more extreme goals on the table the next.

What ARE the long-term goals of the more extreme environmentalists? We don't know, and I doubt we ever will.

[Stu from NYC]

No, the black and white cookie cult is a subset of the anti-cupcake cult. You need special qualifications to join, like a complete inability to see the forest for the trees and an ability to ignore the fact that cupcake induced Independence Day noise is a myth.

Nice guy that I am will offer another choice, The infamous 7 layer cake.:BigApplause:

[Sandy and Ed]

If only it was as benign as to "save face". Unfortunately, "their" agenda is far more nefarious. The idea is to push the myth of imminent and catastrophic global warming to frighten the gullible and indoctrinated into supporting the proposed Paris accords plan of "combating" climate change to the tune of $168 TRILLION, which will line the pockets of the few that are pulling the strings of politicians, media and academia. And there is a whole array of creative taxes on the drawing board to pay for this folly. In retirement communities such as The Villages, the most frightening tax, much scarier than the specter of a warmer planet 50,000 years from now is the "wealth tax". This is where they come along and confiscate a percentage of your accumulated assets (which you have already paid tax on) each and every year. Depending on the percentage, how long do you think you'll last with this tax as well as the inflation that this ridiculous expenditure would cause????
Idiotic? Asinine? Crazy? Insane? Ridiculous? Illogical? I can keep going all day……. Most insidious idea on how to strip you over time of your entire investments and your children’s’ inheritance

[Sandy and Ed]

Then explain how exactly the same climate changes have occurred dozens of times before humans were walking upright?????

Classic case of post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Here's an analogy:

Every year on July 4th for over a hundred years millions of fireworks are set off. Next year I'm going to eat a cupcake on July 3rd, and convince everyone else to do the same. Therefore, cupcakes will have CAUSED noise on July 4th. An entire cult of anti-cupcake minions arises, funded by the popsicle industry that will make a fortune if they can convince people to switch to "combat" cupcake eating. They permeate government, media and universities. "Scientists" publish studies claiming cupcakes will cause imminent worldwide catastrophes. Corporations push popsicles over cupcakes. The news does "hit pieces" on the evil of cupcakes. The weak minded give in to this Jedi mind trick.

But in reality, ONE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER.
Wait. You have to admit cow farts are a big problem. We need to create a panel to identify causes and see if science can create a special feed for cows to reduce bovine flatulence. Monsanto??? Are you listening?

[golfing eagles]

Idiotic? Asinine? Crazy? Insane? Ridiculous? Illogical? I can keep going all day……. Most insidious idea on how to strip you over time of your entire investments and your children’s’ inheritance

But think of what it would accomplish. Everyone would be "equal". Nobody would possess more than another since we would all be living in abject poverty. Well, not all of us---some animals are more equal than others. And that $168 Trillion would be used to fight the "good fight" ---the fool's errand of fighting "global warming" :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[fdpaq0580]

The problem with trying to forecast a overly active hurricane season is that there are a number of factors that can affect the formation and strength of hurricanes that no forecaster can see 6 months ahead. This is just part of the fear that the world is going to end unless we act now! The problem with this is that many have been saying this for decades yet here were are still doing what we were doing decades ago?

Not quite. Many folks, individually and collectively, have made many changes. Whole industries have been created to take action to make changes in the damage that runaway industrialization, pollution, habitat destruction have caused. Governments, individually and collectively, are trying to turn the tide of continuous damage to our planet, our home, where we have to live.

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Idiotic? Asinine? Crazy? Insane? Ridiculous? Illogical? I can keep going all day……. Most insidious idea on how to strip you over time of your entire investments and your children’s’ inheritance

This is the ridiculous part -- how the media (and complicit experts) twist the facts in order to protect a myth that CO2 is a control knob. Find out more Sep 6, 4 PM, at Lake Miona -- for the weekly Philosophy Club meeting.

[fdpaq0580]

So how much did man-made CO2 "really" warm the earth last year?

I told you once! Short term memory loss?

[Taltarzac725]

Not quite. Many folks, individually and collectively, have made many changes. Whole industries have been created to take action to make changes in the damage that runaway industrialization, pollution, habitat destruction have caused. Governments, individually and collectively, are trying to turn the tide of continuous damage to our planet, our home, where we have to live.

We should be thinking more about what kind of world we are handing over to our grandkids and great grandkids and not just the price of gas and groceries in the present.

[sounding]

I told you once! Short term memory loss?

You failed to provide the "science" of your response. Anyone can make up a number.

[fdpaq0580]

This is just plain laughable...
You do know that fertilizer raises crop yields...Riiight?
How exactly does soil get "over used"? Soil is just soil.


Laughable? Yes. You over simplify.
Fertilizer can help, but there are negative effects thanks to over use, run off, etc. Fertilizer is not a one size fits all solution. There is a dark side. Very dark.
Ever hear of crop rotation? Even the soil needs to rest and recover from over use.
"Soil is just soil". No. It's not. 🫥😒🙄

[golfing eagles]

We should be thinking more about what kind of world we are handing over to our grandkids and great grandkids and not just the price of gas and groceries in the present.

Yes, we should. The world the climate change cultists want is one of abject poverty for 99.99% and 0.01% benefiting from the windfall of $168 TRILLION spent to "combat" the absolute fallacy of anthropogenic global warming at our expense. I'd rather these cultists use at least 2 neurons to realize the science of paleoclimatology tells us humans have nothing to do with these repetitive cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws and spend their efforts addressing real problems such as how to lower their golf handicaps. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[fdpaq0580]

Then explain how exactly the same climate changes have occurred dozens of times before humans were walking upright?????

Classic case of post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Here's an analogy:

Every year on July 4th for over a hundred years millions of fireworks are set off. Next year I'm going to eat a cupcake on July 3rd, and convince everyone else to do the same. Therefore, cupcakes will have CAUSED noise on July 4th. An entire cult of anti-cupcake minions arises, funded by the popsicle industry that will make a fortune if they can convince people to switch to "combat" cupcake eating. They permeate government, media and universities. "Scientists" publish studies claiming cupcakes will cause imminent worldwide catastrophes. Corporations push popsicles over cupcakes. The news does "hit pieces" on the evil of cupcakes. The weak minded give in to this Jedi mind trick.

But in reality, ONE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER.

That's why I like you. You are mad as a hatter? Most entertaining "analogy" I may have ever heard! 😄😁🤣

[golfing eagles]

That's why I like you. You are mad as a hatter? Most entertaining "analogy" I may have ever heard! 😄😁🤣

But I forgot to mention, the change in noise won't even occur for another 50,000 years. Still nothing to do with cupcakes.

[Taltarzac725]

But I forgot to mention, the change in noise won't even occur for another 50,000 years. Still nothing to do with cupcakes.


Hard for anyone to say what will happen in 50,000 years based on tree rings or deep ice chemicals.

[fdpaq0580]

You failed to provide the "science" of your response. Anyone can make up a number.

Why waste my time? You don't believe anything that doesn't fit in your narrative. No point in telling you what you refuse to hear. This I have learned from you. Thank you for the lesson. 🙂🙂🙂

[sounding]

Why waste my time? You don't believe anything that doesn't fit in your narrative. No point in telling you what you refuse to hear. This I have learned from you. Thank you for the lesson. 🙂🙂🙂

Again ... you don't know how much man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year ... which is why the media and so-called experts won't say ---- because it's soooo tiny it exposes the CO2 control-knob scam.

[fdpaq0580]

But I forgot to mention, the change in noise won't even occur for another 50,000 years. Still nothing to do with cupcakes.

I have an analogy for you.
Jon puts 3 cupcakes on the table. Garfield comes to the table. Jon returns with a glass of milk and discovers the cupcakes are gone, Garfield has chocolate on his face and his breath, when he burps, smells like chocolate.
So, who do you think ate the cupcakes?
(I shiver with anticipation of your response! 😃😃😃)

[jimjamuser]

Well, they can. But it will result in loss of grant money, inability to get published, and denial of tenure----in other words, professional suicide
You know----------there is a word that I learned in 6th grade -------------RATIONALIZATION--------------that so often is useful in adult life. When someone tries to tell you that UP is really DOWN, you often notice how CLEVER their DECEPTION really is. People in Washington get especially clever at using RATIONALIZATION. And sometimes at a local level. And throw in a pretty chart and the DECEPTION is artful.

[jimjamuser]

Kind of the opposite of the flat earth agenda. That is false but people kept pushed it.

Global warming is a reality but people keep insisting it is not happening when a lot of research shows it is very real.

And of course if some expert keeps saying the world is flat that is simply not true.
If they repeat it often enough, then about 34% of the people will buy it. We have whole TV channels dedicated to confusing the public by simple repetition. They were NOT around before 1975 when people were better at thinking for themselves.

[jimjamuser]

CO2 has been pouring from the earth for billions of years and yet the atmosphere contains 0.04% CO2...Things that make you go, Huh. When someone says "settled science" it just reveals they don't know anything about science.
I explained that once before here in detail.

[jimjamuser]

I just watched the weather and they haven’t decreased the number of tropical storms or hurricanes since they came out with their dire predictions. So now we have 1/2 the time to get in 90% of the storms in. Now they are predicting that the hurricane season will go past November this year, and I wouldn’t be surprised that in the future they will make the hurricane season year round.
Most of us aren’t that gullible, but some are and want to push this doomsday agenda to its fullest.
I’m assuming the Weather Channel is getting paid by these doomsday promoters because the last couple of years, the Weather Channel has been saying this year is the worst ever, storms are getting worse/stronger, and they are pushing the agenda to create a new “Cat 6” rating for hurricanes. I stopped watching these clowns.
Last year, I thought it was funny that the weather channel told florida evacuees don’t use their EVs when leaving because there won’t be enough charging stations on the exit route when you run out of power and I like this 1, if caught in high waters, your EV can catch fire. That had to hurt when they said this.
Since EVs were mentioned. I doubt that they would have any more trouble going through standing water than internal combustion vehicles. And people conveniently forget that ICE vehicles have been improving for about 100 years. Electric Vehicles are in their DEVELOPMENTAL INFANCY !!!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

That is what you imagine all scientists do. Fixed it.

Scientists are human and act on incentives, like other humans. You know that scientists have incentives other than altruism, right?
Altruism ? Scientists would be at the top of a scale of professions for ALTRUISM. Scientists would be way ahead of stock brokers, car salesman, insurance salesman, office workers, farmers, and man, MANY others.

[jimjamuser]

Why?

Because the correlation between knowledge and idealism is inverse.
Sorry, NOT true.

[jimjamuser]

I'm sure it's amazing to you, but it's a nightmare for those who work in those environments. Just mention that subject at any weather club meeting for examples of what you don't know.
If i wanted some knowledge and my choice were the Local Weather Club or a discussion with the local wino at a bar.........I believe I would prefer the bar.

[Stu from NYC]

If i wanted some knowledge and my choice were the Local Weather Club or a discussion with the local wino at a bar.........I believe I would prefer the bar.

Exactly what I thought you would say

[jimjamuser]

Is science ever really "settled"?

I've always seen science as the logical formulation of theories based on all pertinent current data, with the understanding that as more data comes to light, those theories may be revised slightly, altered significantly, or even negated totally. History is replete with examples of "settled science" undergoing such changes. Phrenology, determining personality traits by the shape of one's skull, was "science" in roughly the first half of the 19th century before more information coming to light completely discredited it. But my favorite has to be the science of astronomy. It was "settled science" back in the fifteenth century that the earth was the center of pretty much everything. I mean, you could SEE it. The Sun faithfully circled the earth once every 24 hours. Likewise for the moon and most of the stars (those pesky points of light called "wanderers" didn't always follow the same paths and procedures of the other stars but they were at least predictable. Besides, the earth as the center of everything jived pretty neatly with the current religious thought of the day. Then along comes Galileo, expanding on a theory of Copernicus, and with this newfangled scientific instrument called a telescope and throws the whole settled science of astronomy for a loop. His observations proved that what you SEE isn't always what IS. The church branded him as a heretic and he nearly lost his life in the process. I think it took the church something like 300 years to finally admit that they were wrong and Galileo was right.

Such is what happens when "settled science" becomes dogma.
That is true that science evolves. But, for the future and the last 30 years I believe that Climate Change is "SETTLED science". I believe that when 50% of the worlds vehicles are Electric (or NOT fossil fuel burning) then the Earth will begin to COOL back to normal. Personally I feel that many Coral Reefs will be totally destroyed and the seas will cover the coastlines before people make the environment a priority. It is all very SAD. Miami will be underwater!

[Taltarzac725]

I have had a Miami area weather lady on Facebook for years. She seems a sincere honest and funny person. I have never seen any indication that she is out to deceive. And Miami would be one of the first US cities to really experience global warming.

[golfing eagles]

I have had a Miami area weather lady on Facebook for years. She seems a sincere honest and funny person. I have never seen any indication that she is out to deceive. And Miami would be one of the first US cities to really experience global warming.

Maybe she's just ignorant. Besides, the local "weathergirl" is hardly a climatologist. And even the climatologists aren't trying to decieve as much as they are trying to professionally survive

[Taltarzac725]

Maybe she's just ignorant. Besides, the local "weathergirl" is hardly a climatologist. And even the climatologists aren't trying to decieve as much as they are trying to professionally survive

If you saw Jim Cantore getting out of a Weather Channel van with a mike in hand and a cameraman in tow here I the Villages I suppose you would just shrug it off? I would take cover.

[jimjamuser]

They have to keep the public continually alarmed in order to control them. Since there is no climate crisis -- they have make up the crisis of the day. It's both funny and sad to see.
I am skeptical of anyone saying that the US government, or Climate professors, are ALL OVER THE WORLD lying for the purpose of SOMEHOW ???? controlling peoples minds. That is strange and sinister like a BAD horror movie.

[Stu from NYC]

I have had a Miami area weather lady on Facebook for years. She seems a sincere honest and funny person. I have never seen any indication that she is out to deceive. And Miami would be one of the first US cities to really experience global warming.

Does she have a degree in weatherology? Is that a new word?

Many just read what the teleprompter tells them to say.

[jimjamuser]

This is just plain laughable...There really is no helping you.
Just how long is the growing season in Colombia compared to Illinois?
You do know that fertilizer raises crop yields...Riiight?
How exactly does soil get "over used"? Soil is just soil.

Crop yields and productivity in the Mississippi river system are - By far - the highest in the world...Even with the short growing season.

It's a simple concept: Atmospheric H2O and CO2 rise as global temperatures rise...Permafrost thaws and deserts revert back into forests and steppes...Plant life flourishes and crop yields increase and growing seasons lengthen...More natural nitrogen fertilizer is
created from increased lightning energy. This is literally GRADE SCHOOL science.

Looking at it scientifically, the Earth is very near to being a cold and dead planet (most of the earth surface is permafrost and desert) with low temperatures and low atmospheric CO2 and low cloud cover/rain.

Anyway...Why bother.
Up to a point fertilizer raises crop production, but US farmers have gotten greedy and are NOT rotating crops (which they KNOW they should do.) The way to farm and keep the soil alive for the future is the way the Amish farmer goes about farming. There is no question that the US crop yields have DECREASED in recent years. That is EASY to look up. Obviously, farms in South America have stopped producing. Just look at the world population movements.

[TimTinNewell]

We have all kinds of weather events here in Florida that can and do kill people. Thanks to all the weather people who look out for us.

Not much thanks to the flat earth society members who deny science because Fox tells them to do so that big oil can make more bucks.

Yes, The weather guys on t.v. are the real heroes.

[jimjamuser]

Environmentalism is obviously just another religion.
I really wish that were true !

[jimjamuser]

Then explain how exactly the same climate changes have occurred dozens of times before humans were walking upright?????

Classic case of post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Here's an analogy:

Every year on July 4th for over a hundred years millions of fireworks are set off. Next year I'm going to eat a cupcake on July 3rd, and convince everyone else to do the same. Therefore, cupcakes will have CAUSED noise on July 4th. An entire cult of anti-cupcake minions arises, funded by the popsicle industry that will make a fortune if they can convince people to switch to "combat" cupcake eating. They permeate government, media and universities. "Scientists" publish studies claiming cupcakes will cause imminent worldwide catastrophes. Corporations push popsicles over cupcakes. The news does "hit pieces" on the evil of cupcakes. The weak minded give in to this Jedi mind trick.

But in reality, ONE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER.
Simply look at a graph of temperature increases in the last 30 years for THE answer. ........which is just worldwide data and CANNOT be refuted in ANY WAY.

[Taltarzac725]

Does she have a degree in weatherology? Is that a new word?

Many just read what the teleprompter tells them to say.

Not sure. She sure looks good while doing it.


Some of the other people I follow on Facebook do have various degrees related to weather forecasting.

[golfing eagles]

I am skeptical of anyone saying that the US government, or Climate professors, are ALL OVER THE WORLD lying for the purpose of SOMEHOW ???? controlling peoples minds. That is strange and sinister like a BAD horror movie.

OK, I'll post it ONCE AGAIN---the challenge is:

Get a degree in climatology and a job at a major university. Then apply for a grant for your research to prove global warming has nothing to do with human activity. See how far you get. See if you get published. See if you get tenure. Starve. Then you can read the divorce papers from your wife that left you for a climatologist who understands academia, has a huge grant for playing along with the powers that be to advocate the MYTH of anthropogenic global warming, and is the future fraudulent chairman of climatology at Harvard.

[ThirdOfFive]

Sorry, NOT true.
Unfortunately, in all too many instances, it is true.

For example, no one doubts the idealism of PETA. But their actions, far from putting their altruism, on display, seem instead to advertise their ignorance. Examples abound: one in particular stands out to me because it occurred not far from where I used to live. In July 2017 near Eden Valley, MN, activists snuck into a mink-farming facility and opened the cages of the animals, allowing between 30,000 and 40,000 animals to escape. Unfortunately farm-raised mink are not equipped for life in the wild; approximately half the animals that absconded died of the July heat within a day or two of being released. The rest that were rounded up were put haphazardly into pens, where their social structure meant that they pretty much killed one another.

Also their ill-thought-out public shenanigans end up being more laughable than instructive. Pouring blood on furs is just one: in Canada PETA as an organization was threatened with being classified as a "terrorist group" because of their ill-thought-out actions against those who they saw as people detrimental to animal welfare.

And let's not forget their duplicity when it comes to animal rescue. In an article appearing in The Atlantic, titled "PETA's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad History of Killing Animals", (James McWilliams, March 12, 2012), contains the following quote which contains data that is NOT very supportive of their supposed altruism: "In 2011, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) behaved in a regrettably consistent manner: it euthanized the overwhelming majority (PDF) of dogs and cats that it accepted into its shelters. Out of 760 dogs impounded, they killed 713, arranged for 19 to be adopted, and farmed out 36 to other shelters (not necessarily "no kill" ones). As for cats, they impounded 1,211, euthanized 1,198, transferred eight, and found homes for a grand total of five. PETA also took in 58 other companion animals -- including rabbits. It killed 54 of them.

These figures don't reflect well on an organization dedicated to the cause of animal rights. Even acknowledging that PETA sterilized over 10,500 dogs and cats and returned them to their owners, it doesn't change the fact that its adoption rate in 2011 was 2.5 percent for dogs and 0.4 for cats. Even acknowleding that PETA never turns an animal away -- "the sick, the scarred and broken, the elderly, the aggressive and unsocialized..." -- doesn't change the fact that Virginia animal shelters as a whole had a much lower kill rate of 44 percent. And even acknowledging that PETA is often the first to rescue pets when heat waves and hurricanes hit, that doesn't change the fact that, at one of its shelters, it kills 84 percent of supposedly "unadoptable" animals within 24 hours of their arrival."

PETA certainly doesn't stand alone among environmentalist groups in their misguided idealism. There are uncounted instances of idealistic but misguided environmentalists doing more harm than good--far too many to list here. But one article concerning not so much the activities but the mindset behind them deserves mention. The article, "Misguided Misanthropy: Why the “Humans are the Virus” Mindset is Damaging to the Environmental Movement" appearing in the bard dot edu, May 31, 2020, is frightening in its analysis. The title and first sentence, "We’ve all seen the tweets lately: “Humans are the real virus!” “The earth is healing in our absence” and so on. Their message is clear: humans are a plague on the earth..." really says it all. The kicker is that the article is actually PRO environmentalism, but scathing in its criticism of some environmentalist tactics.

In all too many instances, idealism and knowledge are at odds. And it seems the greater the idealism, the less the idealists seem to know about the subject in question.

[golfing eagles]

Simply look at a graph of temperature increases in the last 30 years for THE answer. ........which is just worldwide data and CANNOT be refuted in ANY WAY.

Really???? A WHOLE 30 years???? Wow. Except it's not that simple, not even close.

OK, I'll play.....

Let's look at 30-year snippets. Your (and others) claim is this is unprecedented warming due to human activity. So you (plural you) must have a comparison. So please show me the 30 years between 880 and 910 AD, between 4670 and 4640 BC, and between 4,660,000 and 4,659,970 BC to convince the rest of us rational people that we are experiencing unprecedented global warming. Note I've done you the courtesy of not requesting 87,954,340 BC to 87,954,310 BC when Earth was much, much warmer.

[jimjamuser]

All the hoopla aside, it is pretty much undeniable that the human race does better when things warm up, worse when it cools off.

But there is some scary stuff out there. Back in my younger days I was aware, through friends and some attendance on my part, of the "environmental" movement. A lot of the organizations that are now (unfortunately or not) part of our lives as Americans got their beginnings back then: the Environmental Justice Movement of the early 1980s, save the ozone, PETA, Denis Hayes and the Earth Day movement, etc. etc. Without going into details, there were a fair number of extremists flying under the radar; people who saw this stuff as gospel as well as others who may not so much have believed in the hype and hoopla quite as strongly as the True Believers but who were nevertheless adept at organizing, indoctrinating and demonstrating.

One of the topics that got a fair amount of play, at least among the folks I knew, was that North America, in an ideal situation where human activity was NOT harming the environment, could support at most eleven million hunter-gatherers. I'm not joking when I say that such a prospect was given serious thought by the more extreme folks. It was ludicrous then and even more so now, but one has to consider just what ARE the long-term goals of the more extreme environmentalists, especially considering the practice of no goal reached is ever enough: I seriously doubt that if an extreme environmental group saw all of their goals achieved one day, that they'd NOT have a list of even more extreme goals on the table the next.

What ARE the long-term goals of the more extreme environmentalists? We don't know, and I doubt we ever will.
With respect to the 1st sentence, "the human race does BETTER when THINGS warm up". If that general statement were TRUE, we would ALL be packing up and moving TOWARD the equator. Now due to Global Warming and crop failure the populations are moving the OPPOSITE way from South to North (which is a current and future PROBLEM).
........And what does BETTER mean? More population? How about the IDEAL population for a country (like the US) based on infrastructure like roads and QUALITY OF LIFE. Have scientists ever studied that? I would say that the US currently has the CAPACITY for 275 million people to live IDEALLY. But, too many people are enamored with a MORE is ALWAYS BETTER philosophy. Try putting a half pound of sugar in your breakfast bowl and eating it......Oh too much, what a surprise?
....Scientists know that EVERY animal species has a HOLDING CAPACITY, which when exceeded causes that species to die out. Most animal species make that adjustment before it is too late. HUMANS may NOT have that inherent capacity as they always seem to go for the MORE is BETTER philosophy.
......But I respect the posters post.

[jimjamuser]

We should be thinking more about what kind of world we are handing over to our grandkids and great grandkids and not just the price of gas and groceries in the present.
Great summary. We should determine scientifically what is the US ideal population and use that as an important factor in order to give them the IDEAL country as much as possible.

[jimjamuser]

Agreed.

[jimjamuser]

Again ... you don't know how much man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year ... which is why the media and so-called experts won't say ---- because it's soooo tiny it exposes the CO2 control-knob scam.
Just look at a graph of Earth's temperatures for the last 30 years. That is the key.

[buzzy]

This is the ridiculous part -- how the media (and complicit experts) twist the facts in order to protect a myth that CO2 is a control knob. Find out more Sep 6, 4 PM, at Lake Miona -- for the weekly Philosophy Club meeting.

I was already planning to attend. Are you the presenter?

[jimjamuser]

Unfortunately, in all too many instances, it is true.

For example, no one doubts the idealism of PETA. But their actions, far from putting their altruism, on display, seem instead to advertise their ignorance. Examples abound: one in particular stands out to me because it occurred not far from where I used to live. In July 2017 near Eden Valley, MN, activists snuck into a mink-farming facility and opened the cages of the animals, allowing between 30,000 and 40,000 animals to escape. Unfortunately farm-raised mink are not equipped for life in the wild; approximately half the animals that absconded died of the July heat within a day or two of being released. The rest that were rounded up were put haphazardly into pens, where their social structure meant that they pretty much killed one another.

Also their ill-thought-out public shenanigans end up being more laughable than instructive. Pouring blood on furs is just one: in Canada PETA as an organization was threatened with being classified as a "terrorist group" because of their ill-thought-out actions against those who they saw as people detrimental to animal welfare.

And let's not forget their duplicity when it comes to animal rescue. In an article appearing in The Atlantic, titled "PETA's Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad History of Killing Animals", (James McWilliams, March 12, 2012), contains the following quote which contains data that is NOT very supportive of their supposed altruism: "In 2011, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) behaved in a regrettably consistent manner: it euthanized the overwhelming majority (PDF) of dogs and cats that it accepted into its shelters. Out of 760 dogs impounded, they killed 713, arranged for 19 to be adopted, and farmed out 36 to other shelters (not necessarily "no kill" ones). As for cats, they impounded 1,211, euthanized 1,198, transferred eight, and found homes for a grand total of five. PETA also took in 58 other companion animals -- including rabbits. It killed 54 of them.

These figures don't reflect well on an organization dedicated to the cause of animal rights. Even acknowledging that PETA sterilized over 10,500 dogs and cats and returned them to their owners, it doesn't change the fact that its adoption rate in 2011 was 2.5 percent for dogs and 0.4 for cats. Even acknowleding that PETA never turns an animal away -- "the sick, the scarred and broken, the elderly, the aggressive and unsocialized..." -- doesn't change the fact that Virginia animal shelters as a whole had a much lower kill rate of 44 percent. And even acknowledging that PETA is often the first to rescue pets when heat waves and hurricanes hit, that doesn't change the fact that, at one of its shelters, it kills 84 percent of supposedly "unadoptable" animals within 24 hours of their arrival."

PETA certainly doesn't stand alone among environmentalist groups in their misguided idealism. There are uncounted instances of idealistic but misguided environmentalists doing more harm than good--far too many to list here. But one article concerning not so much the activities but the mindset behind them deserves mention. The article, "Misguided Misanthropy: Why the “Humans are the Virus” Mindset is Damaging to the Environmental Movement" appearing in the bard dot edu, May 31, 2020, is frightening in its analysis. The title and first sentence, "We’ve all seen the tweets lately: “Humans are the real virus!” “The earth is healing in our absence” and so on. Their message is clear: humans are a plague on the earth..." really says it all. The kicker is that the article is actually PRO environmentalism, but scathing in its criticism of some environmentalist tactics.

In all too many instances, idealism and knowledge are at odds. And it seems the greater the idealism, the less the idealists seem to know about the subject in question.
Obviously releasing 40,000 minks is illegal (and did not EVEN BENEFIT the minks). It sounds to me that PETA has some over-zealous people that give them a bad name. Since they do succeed in getting some stray animals adopted, I would have to do an intensive study to determine whether the good outweighs the bad. Almost ANY situation can be thought of like that. Take for example US FOOTBALL. i was on a MIDGET (yes they call them that then) FOOTBALL team for players 13 years old and younger. One player was underweight for a lineman, yet he was so over-zealous that he hit the opposition so hard that he would literally "knock himself out" 3 or 4 times per game. He did not even play in high School. His brother was bigger and ended up in the PROS. I don't know how long either brother lived. But, I believe that the life span of Pro football players is less than 60 years. I have not looked it up to be accurate. But, the point is, "Is football good or bad for an individual player and society? Football for the average high school player has BOTH positives and negatives.
......I would guess that the same can be said for PETA......both negatives and positives.

[jimjamuser]

Really???? A WHOLE 30 years???? Wow. Except it's not that simple, not even close.

OK, I'll play.....

Let's look at 30-year snippets. Your (and others) claim is this is unprecedented warming due to human activity. So you (plural you) must have a comparison. So please show me the 30 years between 880 and 910 AD, between 4670 and 4640 BC, and between 4,660,000 and 4,659,970 BC to convince the rest of us rational people that we are experiencing unprecedented global warming. Note I've done you the courtesy of not requesting 87,954,340 BC to 87,954,310 BC when Earth was much, much warmer.
The comparison is to look at the graph of temperature worldwide for the last 50 years (from 1974) to today. You will find that the graph INCREASES big time from 1994 til today. It is very similar to a graph of world population for that same time period. Climate Scientists feel that the reason for the HEAT increase (Global Warming) is that excessive world CO2 allowed a high altitude layer to block the infrared wave energy from the sun that then hit the Earth and bounced upward. 30 or so years ago the layer had not yet formed and the infrared would continue into space. Today, the radiation is refracted back to earth and has caused Man-caused Global Warming.

[golfing eagles]

The comparison is to look at the graph of temperature worldwide for the last 50 years (from 1974) to today. You will find that the graph INCREASES big time from 1994 til today. It is very similar to a graph of world population for that same time period. Climate Scientists feel that the reason for the HEAT increase (Global Warming) is that excessive world CO2 allowed a high altitude layer to block the infrared wave energy from the sun that then hit the Earth and bounced upward. 30 or so years ago the layer had not yet formed and the infrared would continue into space. Today, the radiation is refracted back to earth and has caused Man-caused Global Warming.

So now we're up to 50 years from 30? OK, no problem----50 WHOLE YEARS out of the last 4.3 billion? Or I'll settle for all the 50-year periods for the last 4.5 million years of our CURRENT ICE AGE. (Yes, by definition, we are in an ICE AGE)

[maistocars]

They don't call them experts for nothing..............

[golfing eagles]

They don't call them experts for nothing..............

Let me correct that grammar:

They are experts AT nothing

[fdpaq0580]

Environmentalism is obviously just another religion.

Others might think environmentalism is obviously a long term survival strategy. I tend to agree.

[fdpaq0580]

This is the ridiculous part -- how the media (and complicit experts) twist the facts in order to protect a myth that CO2 is a control knob. Find out more Sep 6, 4 PM, at Lake Miona -- for the weekly Philosophy Club meeting.

The funny part is, I never heard anyone else refer to CO2 as a "control knob". Is that your creation, or are you just repeating it because you thought it sounded cool? 🫠

[fdpaq0580]

We should be thinking more about what kind of world we are handing over to our grandkids and great grandkids and not just the price of gas and groceries in the present.

Yes! Unfortunately, some people can't "see the forest for the trees". Short term myopia. Maybe, if they got their heads out of their a ...rmpits (dodged a bullet there), they would actually see the truth all around them. Maybe they just can't handle the truth? 😒😑

[fdpaq0580]

Yes, we should. The world the climate change cultists want is one of abject poverty for 99.99% and 0.01% benefiting from the windfall of $168 TRILLION spent to "combat" the absolute fallacy of anthropogenic global warming at our expense. I'd rather these cultists use at least 2 neurons to realize the science of paleoclimatology tells us humans have nothing to do with these repetitive cycles of glaciation and interglacial thaws and spend their efforts addressing real problems such as how to lower their golf handicaps. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Golf handicaps? Eagles not good enough for you? You wish to be called Golfing Aces now? 😉

[fdpaq0580]

Again ... you don't know how much man-made CO2 warmed the earth last year ... which is why the media and so-called experts won't say ---- because it's soooo tiny it exposes the CO2 control-knob scam.

Oh, we know! But you don't know the secret handshake, so we're not going to tell you.
Open your eyes. Open your mind. Open your search. You can find it, just like I and others have done. Or, ignore reality and sit around making fun of real science. Enjoy!

[fdpaq0580]

OK, I'll post it ONCE AGAIN---the challenge is:

Get a degree in climatology and a job at a major university. Then apply for a grant for your research to prove global warming has nothing to do with human activity. See how far you get. See if you get published. See if you get tenure. Starve. Then you can read the divorce papers from your wife that left you for a climatologist who understands academia, has a huge grant for playing along with the powers that be to advocate the MYTH of anthropogenic global warming, and is the future fraudulent chairman of climatology at Harvard.

Uh? Wife left you for a guy with a huge "grant"? Is that what they're calling it these days? I call mine "meenie-weenie". Guess my wife hasn't met "Grant" yet?
Or, are you making up another one of your "acadamia nut" conspiracy stories again? Naughty Golfing Eagles! Tsk, Tsk. 🙈🙉🙊

[golfing eagles]

Uh? Wife left you for a guy with a huge "grant"? Is that what they're calling it these days? I call mine "meenie-weenie". Guess my wife hasn't met "Grant" yet?
Or, are you making up another one of your "acadamia nut" conspiracy stories again? Naughty Golfing Eagles! Tsk, Tsk. 🙈🙉🙊

Clearly a reply from someone unfamiliar with how academia works.

[MorTech]

So now we're up to 50 years from 30? OK, no problem----50 WHOLE YEARS out of the last 4.3 billion? Or I'll settle for all the 50-year periods for the last 4.5 million years of our CURRENT ICE AGE. (Yes, by definition, we are in an ICE AGE)

Earth is cold, dry and windy with hardly any cloud cover or CO2...Barely biological life sustaining. Earth should be bright white when viewed from outer space...Not blue. Hurricanes and tornados diminish as global temperatures rise because of smaller global temperature deltas (H and L pressure). We are obviously in an Ice Age. Obviously.

[jimjamuser]

Earth is cold, dry and windy with hardly any cloud cover or CO2...Barely biological life sustaining. Earth should be bright white when viewed from outer space...Not blue. Hurricanes and tornados diminish as global temperatures rise because of smaller global temperature deltas (H and L pressure). We are obviously in an Ice Age. Obviously.
Right now here in Florida, we have massive amounts of cloud cover and RAIN. It makes sense because the Earth is setting an all time record for temperature. Warm air holds more moisture. That's why in The Villages our lakes are close to overflowing. As far as the sky being BLUE as seen from Earth and space, I believe that is due to blue being the shortest of the light frequencies and therefore being able to cut through the air best to be SEEN. As far as the Earth having "hardly ANY CO2" that is the exact opposite of our current condition where the Coral Reefs are all dying from TOO MUCH CO2. And the Earth having this year as a RECORD HOT year because of TOO MUCH CO2 being produced by factories and internal combustion engines. Also, hurricanes and tornadoes don't "diminish " ------just the opposite they become STRONGER and more frequent. Hurricanes are an Earth mechanism to COOL off the summer HEAT (WHICH GETS HIGHER EACH YEAR for the last 30 years). Since the Earth is at RECORD temperatures that would be the LARGEST factor as to the intensity and frequency of hurricanes and tornadoes. However, there are about 4 other factors that can also determine the number of hurricanes we will experience in ANY given year (like this year).
.........World population increase and automobile and ICE usage are likely to keep INCREASING for the foreseeable FUTURE due to human greed and shortsightedness. Only wars and disease can slow down population growth.

[sounding]

Right now here in Florida, we have massive amounts of cloud cover and RAIN. It makes sense because the Earth is setting an all time record for temperature. Warm air holds more moisture. That's why in The Villages our lakes are close to overflowing. As far as the sky being BLUE as seen from Earth and space, I believe that is due to blue being the shortest of the light frequencies and therefore being able to cut through the air best to be SEEN. As far as the Earth having "hardly ANY CO2" that is the exact opposite of our current condition where the Coral Reefs are all dying from TOO MUCH CO2. And the Earth having this year as a RECORD HOT year because of TOO MUCH CO2 being produced by factories and internal combustion engines. Also, hurricanes and tornadoes don't "diminish " ------just the opposite they become STRONGER and more frequent. Hurricanes are an Earth mechanism to COOL off the summer HEAT (WHICH GETS HIGHER EACH YEAR for the last 30 years). Since the Earth is at RECORD temperatures that would be the LARGEST factor as to the intensity and frequency of hurricanes and tornadoes. However, there are about 4 other factors that can also determine the number of hurricanes we will experience in ANY given year (like this year).
.........World population increase and automobile and ICE usage are likely to keep INCREASING for the foreseeable FUTURE due to human greed and shortsightedness. Only wars and disease can slow down population growth.

Thanks for the opinions. It is well known that nature has many checks and balances controlling earth's transfer of heat from the from the surface to outer space -- and one of them is hurricanes. Since global warming and the extra warming produced by Tonga is inhibiting hurricanes, nature is countering the lack of hurricanes with extended areas of tropical precipitation, because these thunderstorms also help cool the oceans and radiate heat to space. Once Tonga's heating event tappers off, so will hurricanes eventually come back.

[jimjamuser]

Thanks for the opinions. It is well known that nature has many checks and balances controlling earth's transfer of heat from the from the surface to outer space -- and one of them is hurricanes. Since global warming and the extra warming produced by Tonga is inhibiting hurricanes, nature is countering the lack of hurricanes with extended areas of tropical precipitation, because these thunderstorms also help cool the oceans and radiate heat to space. Once Tonga's heating event tappers off, so will hurricanes eventually come back.
OK, that seems like good, normal information to me. Keep up the good work.

[fdpaq0580]

Clearly a reply from someone unfamiliar with how academia works.

Clearly, from someone who has some axe to grind with "academia".
After reading all the conspiracy theories of how academia supposedly works, I'm frankly amazed that we have any advances in science, medicine, technology, etc, at all. Following the logic of the academia conspiracy theory, we should still be living in caves and have our ailments treated by witch doctors or shamans. The only advancements would have to come from the loonie fringe, Iike an un-respected, secretive "Dr." Frankenstein or "dr," Moreau, performing their unauthorized experiments hidden away from prying eyes.
No! I believe that mainstream science gives us our best medicines for our ailments. I think it's better than treating things like, well, covid, for example, than doing nothing or injecting bleach, like some had suggested.
The current consensus is that humans are pushing global warming. Even during this part of the reported ice (internal combustion engine) age. Nuff said for now!
😉😏

[golfing eagles]

Clearly, from someone who has some axe to grind with "academia".
After reading all the conspiracy theories of how academia supposedly works, I'm frankly amazed that we have any advances in science, medicine, technology, etc, at all. Following the logic of the academia conspiracy theory, we should still be living in caves and have our ailments treated by witch doctors or shamans. The only advancements would have to come from the loonie fringe, Iike an un-respected, secretive "Dr." Frankenstein or "dr," Moreau, performing their unauthorized experiments hidden away from prying eyes.
No! I believe that mainstream science gives us our best medicines for our ailments. I think it's better than treating things like, well, covid, for example, than doing nothing or injecting bleach, like some had suggested.
The current consensus is that humans are pushing global warming. Even during this part of the reported ice (internal combustion engine) age. Nuff said for now!
😉😏

More than “nuff “ Too bad none of it is true

[jimjamuser]

Clearly, from someone who has some axe to grind with "academia".
After reading all the conspiracy theories of how academia supposedly works, I'm frankly amazed that we have any advances in science, medicine, technology, etc, at all. Following the logic of the academia conspiracy theory, we should still be living in caves and have our ailments treated by witch doctors or shamans. The only advancements would have to come from the loonie fringe, Iike an un-respected, secretive "Dr." Frankenstein or "dr," Moreau, performing their unauthorized experiments hidden away from prying eyes.
No! I believe that mainstream science gives us our best medicines for our ailments. I think it's better than treating things like, well, covid, for example, than doing nothing or injecting bleach, like some had suggested.
The current consensus is that humans are pushing global warming. Even during this part of the reported ice (internal combustion engine) age. Nuff said for now!
😉😏
Yes, Global warming caused by too much ICE.

[fdpaq0580]

More than “nuff “ Too bad none of it is true

Correction. All true, according to much of what I have read from the anti human involvement side.
And, according to most of the greatest minds in climatology world wide, humans definitely have responsibility for climate change. But, I certainly don't expect you to take my word for it. In fact, I'm sure you won't take anyone's word for it.

[fdpaq0580]

Yes, Global warming caused by too much ICE.

Yup! 🤠

[Stu from NYC]

Yes, Global warming caused by too much ICE.

So florida will be getting snowstorm. Great news

[bogmonster]

Simply look at a graph of temperature increases in the last 30 years for THE answer. ........which is just worldwide data and CANNOT be refuted in ANY WAY.
Funny, the 'tampon use by men' graph also has the same shape. Are they related too?

[fdpaq0580]

So florida will be getting snowstorm. Great news

Snow? In it's liquid form. News? Less than great.
We made this "bed". Might be nice to "clean the sheets" for the next guests.

[fdpaq0580]

Funny, the 'tampon use by men' graph also has the same shape. Are they related too?

Question. In what way do men use tampons? 🤔😶😶

[jimjamuser]

Funny, the 'tampon use by men' graph also has the same shape. Are they related too?
Interestingly, this kind of statement even though relatively crude can be thought of under the general term - logical fallacy. And specifically it can be called a Red Herring, which is a term for a misdirection in a DEBATE, similar to a smokescreen. Also interesting are - the Strawman fallacy, the Slippery Slope fallacy, the Begging the Question fallacy, and the Post Hoc fallacy.
..........that post also proves that what I said, "The graph of world temperature increases for the last 30 years can NOT be REFUTED in any way" !!!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

What people should realize from the graph of world temperatures for the last 30 years, which is INCREASING in slope in the last few years - what people should realize (the GREAT danger) IS that each of our FUTURE succeeding years will get WARMER AND WARMER. And more Coral Reefs will die and more animal species will go extinct, more polar ice will melt, and more coastal areas will be underwater. This will continue each future year until CO2 production is brought under control by more purchases of Electric vehicles and E-bikes and better control of industrial pollution.

[ThirdOfFive]

Question. In what way do men use tampons? 🤔😶😶
Cat toys!

Thought you knew that.

[bogmonster]

Most govt buildings in MN and CA have them in the mens bathrooms now. No clue how they use them.

[Stu from NYC]

Most govt buildings in MN and CA have them in the mens bathrooms now. No clue how they use them.

The ladies room is closed???

[fdpaq0580]

Cat toys!

Thought you knew that.

Cat toys? Never heard of such a thing. Probably because I never had a cat. More of a dog person.

[fdpaq0580]

Interestingly, this kind of statement even though relatively crude can be thought of under the general term - logical fallacy. And specifically it can be called a Red Herring, which is a term for a misdirection in a DEBATE, similar to a smokescreen. Also interesting are - the Strawman fallacy, the Slippery Slope fallacy, the Begging the Question fallacy, and the Post Hoc fallacy.
..........that post also proves that what I said, "The graph of world temperature increases for the last 30 years can NOT be REFUTED in any way" !!!!!!!

Oh! I'll bet they try. May not be accurate or factual in any way, but they'll try. 🙂🙃😉

[ThirdOfFive]

Interestingly, this kind of statement even though relatively crude can be thought of under the general term - logical fallacy. And specifically it can be called a Red Herring, which is a term for a misdirection in a DEBATE, similar to a smokescreen. Also interesting are - the Strawman fallacy, the Slippery Slope fallacy, the Begging the Question fallacy, and the Post Hoc fallacy.
..........that post also proves that what I said, "The graph of world temperature increases for the last 30 years can NOT be REFUTED in any way" !!!!!!!
With all due respect...who is arguing that overall global temperatures have NOT increased over the past 30 years?

[fdpaq0580]

Cat toys!

Thought you knew that.

I wonder if bogmonster knows that? Interesting that he/she didn't answer? 🤔🤔🤔

[fdpaq0580]

With all due respect...who is arguing that overall global temperatures have NOT increased over the past 30 years?

There were some early on, when the subject first appeared on TOTV. Most, if not all, seem to have come at least this far.

[jimjamuser]

With all due respect...who is arguing that overall global temperatures have NOT increased over the past 30 years?
And I respect your post and that question. I believe that a lot of people are NOT aware of the rapid increase in world temperatures (Climate Change) in the last 15 or so years. This year 2024 is on schedule to be the absolutely HOTTEST WORLDWIDE since they have been keeping those records. I have read posts by TOTV"ers that say, "I don't notice ANY difference in temperature and I have live here for 10 years". I have seen at least 5 like that on TOTV. I would call these people "The UNAWARES" - THEY DON'T even KNOW that in Alaska and Russia that the tundra permafrost has melted and (possibly) exposed new diseases that humans have no defenses for - and they don't CARE.
.........Then there are "The AWARE people" in The Villages that know the temperatures around the world and HERE are HOTTER, but they have a problem with calling it MAN-MADE. They search and search for some esoteric non-man-made reason for the HEAT (maybe they are PAID secret agents of the US big 3 automobile manufacturers that want to hide the fact that the Higher temperatures are caused by gasoline consuming Golf carts, and automobiles and also industrial exhaust gas pollution.) That is unlikely, but they post things like there is a wobble in the earth's axis that causes more HEAT from the sun to hit the earth. Some say the sun's orbit is to blame. Some say that the Tonga eruption HEATS the upper atmosphere and thus the whole Earth. They basically want to say that it is NOT possible for MANKIND to affect something as large as the Earth.
.......Then there is the oil and gas industry that has a vested interest in gasoline driven automobiles. They managed to get the public to believe that Al Gore was a raving lunatic.
......Basically, many people on TOTV want to ignore the RECORD World HEAT that has been RAPIDLY increasing in the last 30 years and more rapidly in the last 5 years.And MANY OTHERS do not want to believe that it is MAN-MADE Global Warming.

[JD Tremor]

And I respect your post and that question. I believe that a lot of people are NOT aware of the rapid increase in world temperatures (Climate Change) in the last 15 or so years. This year 2024 is on schedule to be the absolutely HOTTEST WORLDWIDE since they have been keeping those records. I have read posts by TOTV"ers that say, "I don't notice ANY difference in temperature and I have live here for 10 years". I have seen at least 5 like that on TOTV. I would call these people "The UNAWARES" - THEY DON'T even KNOW that in Alaska and Russia that the tundra permafrost has melted and (possibly) exposed new diseases that humans have no defenses for - and they don't CARE.
.........Then there are "The AWARE people" in The Villages that know the temperatures around the world and HERE are HOTTER, but they have a problem with calling it MAN-MADE. They search and search for some esoteric non-man-made reason for the HEAT (maybe they are PAID secret agents of the US big 3 automobile manufacturers that want to hide the fact that the Higher temperatures are caused by gasoline consuming Golf carts, and automobiles and also industrial exhaust gas pollution.) That is unlikely, but they post things like there is a wobble in the earth's axis that causes more HEAT from the sun to hit the earth. Some say the sun's orbit is to blame. Some say that the Tonga eruption HEATS the upper atmosphere and thus the whole Earth. They basically want to say that it is NOT possible for MANKIND to affect something as large as the Earth.
.......Then there is the oil and gas industry that has a vested interest in gasoline driven automobiles. They managed to get the public to believe that Al Gore was a raving lunatic.
......Basically, many people on TOTV want to ignore the RECORD World HEAT that has been RAPIDLY increasing in the last 30 years and more rapidly in the last 5 years.And MANY OTHERS do not want to believe that it is MAN-MADE Global Warming.

And yet, those that believe ICE vehicles are the problem continue to drive them. Hmmm

[Pairadocs]

This article came out yesterday. It's fairly long report on why their forecasts are turning out to be wrong again this year. Hurricane experts now predict below-normal activity into September'''s season peak | Fox Weather (https://www.foxweather.com/weather-news/2024-hurricane-season-why-are-tropics-so-quiet)

Ah, but it's an attention grabber, it gets the "clicks" and that's all that matters. BTW, 50% chance of rain, snow, hail, clouds, winds, and....hurricane...LOL !

[FloridaGuy66]

The point is that certain powers have an agenda to make TRILLIONS off the backs of our citizens, and the media is either actively or tacitly complicit in pushing this false narrative by forecasting imminent doom via predictions of more frequent and devastating hurricanes and daily reports of "heat indices" vs. the actual temperatures.

So in 2023, when they predicted less storms than normal, that was part of the same "government conspiracy"?

Would LOVE to know what people or organizations are making trillions off of unfavorable weather predictions? That would be 4% of the US GDP. It would be pretty hard to hide that much money.

[Stu from NYC]

And yet, those that believe ICE vehicles are the problem continue to drive them. Hmmm

Do as I say not as I do. Have asked him that question a number of times, never getting any answer.

[golfing eagles]

So in 2023, when they predicted less storms than normal, that was part of the same "government conspiracy"?

Would LOVE to know what people or organizations are making trillions off of unfavorable weather predictions? That would be 4% of the US GDP. It would be pretty hard to hide that much money.

Nothing to do with hurricane forecasts. Has to do with pushing the false narrative of anthropogenic global warming so we spend $168 TRILLION to "combat" it. Who is driving the narrative----billionaires with old money--Soros, Bilderberg group, international arms dealers--you pick

[jimjamuser]

And yet, those that believe ICE vehicles are the problem continue to drive them. Hmmm
It takes awhile to make large scale changes in society. The gas and oil industry pays big money in Washington to keep the status quo. Electric vehicles (which have superior qualities like less maintenance) will have to have improved design for car and batteries BEFORE achieving POPULAR support.That is why the government must FIGHT the oil and gas companies and emphasize E-vehicles.

[Pugchief]

It takes awhile to make large scale changes in society. The gas and oil industry pays big money in Washington to keep the status quo. Electric vehicles (which have superior qualities like less maintenance) will have to have improved design for car and batteries BEFORE achieving POPULAR support.That is why the government must FIGHT the oil and gas companies and emphasize E-vehicles.

Maybe, but that doesn't explain why you don't drive one. I drive a Tesla. Why don't you?

[jimjamuser]

Nothing to do with hurricane forecasts. Has to do with pushing the false narrative of anthropogenic global warming so we spend $168 TRILLION to "combat" it. Who is driving the narrative----billionaires with old money--Soros, Bilderberg group, international arms dealers--you pick
Every year in recent history (30 yrs) the Earth gets WARMER. That is WAY beyond the control of any one person like Soros.

[Stu from NYC]

Every year in recent history (30 yrs) the Earth gets WARMER. That is WAY beyond the control of any one person like Soros.

Every year? Not one year where the average temps were a bit cooler? Even a little bit?

[fdpaq0580]

And yet, those that believe ICE vehicles are the problem continue to drive them. Hmmm

I'm one of those that still drive my old, paid for small ice powered car. Rather than spend 30 to 50k for battery power, I have chosen to change my habits. One was to eliminate driving of dirty diesel motor home 40+k miles per year at 7-10 mpg. Eliminate the tow vehicle usage of @10k miles per year. Dw and I get @30 mpg and drive less than 10k miles per year now. Our fuel bill is @10% of what it was. While I believe e vehicles are currently the best choice for most applications, I am aware of new and better options that I believe may be available in the not too distant future. Dw and I also do other things that are more eco-friendly as opportunities arise. We are not completely fossil fuel free, but we are 90+% there. Our traveling days are over.
Does that answer your "Hmmm?" Just because I still use my ice car does not blind me to the damage they do.

[fdpaq0580]

Maybe, but that doesn't explain why you don't drive one. I drive a Tesla. Why don't you?

Not everyone is in a position to always do what they would like to do. Consider yourself one of the fortunate ones.

[fdpaq0580]

Nothing to do with hurricane forecasts. Has to do with pushing the false narrative of anthropogenic global warming so we spend $168 TRILLION to "combat" it. Who is driving the narrative----billionaires with old money--Soros, Bilderberg group, international arms dealers--you pick

Who is driving the narrative? Its not one person. It's everyone on earth that sees and recognizes the damage and causes. Basically everyone who isn't caught up in the conspiracy cult.
News Flash! Anthropogenic global warming is real! And everybody who isn't deluded by the conspiracy club knows it.

[fdpaq0580]

Every year? Not one year where the average temps were a bit cooler? Even a little bit?

Not even a little bit.

[golfing eagles]

Who is driving the narrative? Its not one person. It's everyone on earth that sees and recognizes the damage and causes. Basically everyone who isn't caught up in the conspiracy cult.
News Flash! Anthropogenic global warming is real! And everybody who isn't deluded by the conspiracy club knows it.

If human activity is the cause, please explain how we started warming the planet 20,000 years ago while living in caves-----kerosene space heaters??? Gas powered portable generators??? Saber toothed tiger farts??? Fred Flintstone's SUV???

The REAL "conspiracy" is those that are in position to line their pockets with the $168 TRILLION price tag of the Paris accords. And they are laughing at those that they convinced to join their bandwagon:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[fdpaq0580]

If human activity is the cause, please explain how we started warming the planet 20,000 years ago while living in caves-----kerosene space heaters??? Gas powered portable generators??? Saber toothed tiger farts??? Fred Flintstone's SUV???

The REAL "conspiracy" is those that are in position to line their pockets with the $168 TRILLION price tag of the Paris accords. And they are laughing at those that they convinced to join their bandwagon:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Your first paragraph is hilarious. 20,000 years? OK, we'll go with that, for the simplified version. They didn’t! At least not globally that one might notice. But, any animal can have an impact on climate by changing its surroundings. A beaver moves into a grassy valley. Builds a dam on the stream. Over the years pond is formed. Sediment enriches the soil. Trees grow. The once semi-arid valley is now a forest with a lake and a cool, damp micro climate.
Our impact really began as our kind spread across the earth and our numbers rose. But we really came into our own with the industrial revolution and our use of fossil fuel. Now, with over 8,000,000,000 of us building factories and farms, removing high-yeild (oxygen) forest and replacing it with destructive low-yeild farms, factories, cities and more, distorting smoke, smog, and pollutants of every kind. And you can seriously and honestly doubt that humans have zero effect on climate? REALLY? 😯😲😳

[sounding]

Your first paragraph is hilarious. 20,000 years? OK, we'll go with that, for the simplified version. They didn’t! At least not globally that one might notice. But, any animal can have an impact on climate by changing its surroundings. A beaver moves into a grassy valley. Builds a dam on the stream. Over the years pond is formed. Sediment enriches the soil. Trees grow. The once semi-arid valley is now a forest with a lake and a cool, damp micro climate.
Our impact really began as our kind spread across the earth and our numbers rose. But we really came into our own with the industrial revolution and our use of fossil fuel. Now, with over 8,000,000,000 of us building factories and farms, removing high-yeild (oxygen) forest and replacing it with destructive low-yeild farms, factories, cities and more, distorting smoke, smog, and pollutants of every kind. And you can seriously and honestly doubt that humans have zero effect on climate? REALLY? 😯😲😳

You have narratives -- I have data. Global warming and more CO2 are good for earth.

[golfing eagles]

Your first paragraph is hilarious. 20,000 years? OK, we'll go with that, for the simplified version........

Yes, 20,000 years. Even the most committed anthropogenic global warming cultist cannot dispute that our current interglacial thaw within our current cycle of warming/cooling that has repeated itself over the past 4.5 million years began about 20,000 years ago. I realize that one of the cult's mantras is to ignore the facts, ignore paleoclimatology and use fear tactics to delude the public, but it is hard to apply revisionist history to that basic fact.

[fdpaq0580]

Yes, 20,000 years. Even the most committed anthropogenic global warming cultist cannot dispute that our current interglacial thaw within our current cycle of warming/cooling that has repeated itself over the past 4.5 million years began about 20,000 years ago. I realize that one of the cult's mantras is to ignore the facts, ignore paleoclimatology and use fear tactics to delude the public, but it is hard to apply revisionist history to that basic fact.

The facts (not manufactured, cherry picked, or misrepresented) combine to overwhelmingly demonstrate that human endeavors across the globe have increasingly influenced global warming. Deny it all you want. It won't change what the best and brightest scientists around the world have already proved. But, like the flat earth enthusiasts, there are small enclaves of climate deniers clinging to any straw (or graph) that they think demonstrates their idealogy. A had picked graph or two or a temperature anomaly prove nothing, but show the desperation to hang on to their belief, no matter what.
😔😔😔

[golfing eagles]

The facts (not manufactured, cherry picked, or misrepresented) combine to overwhelmingly demonstrate that human endeavors across the globe have increasingly influenced global warming. Deny it all you want. It won't change what the best and brightest scientists around the world have already proved. But, like the flat earth enthusiasts, there are small enclaves of climate deniers clinging to any straw (or graph) that they think demonstrates their idealogy. A had picked graph or two or a temperature anomaly prove nothing, but show the desperation to hang on to their belief, no matter what.
😔😔😔

Heard all that clap-trap before. It is the global warming alarmists/cultists that are in denial, the facts are right in front of their faces but they cannot see them.

[fdpaq0580]

Heard all that clap-trap before. It is the global warming alarmists/cultists that are in denial, the facts are right in front of their faces but they cannot see them.

100 % Backward. Open your eyes (and mind)! The facts are very well known. The mountains of evidence there for all to see. Published over and over again. Peer reviewed, checked again and again until only the most diehard still refuse the truth. Denying is easy with eyes (and mind) closed.
😖😣😴 Time to wake up. 🙈🙉🙈🙉 NO!NO! I don't wanna.