Tyreek Hill video

[Rainger99]

Hill could have been more compliant.

The police could have been less aggressive.


Bodycam footage shows how Tyreek Hill detainment escalated (https://nypost.com/2024/09/09/sports/bodycam-footage-shows-how-tyreek-hill-detainment-escalated/)

[retiredguy123]

I wonder if the vehicle complied with the window tinting law. If the officer couldn't see him with the window closed, he had every right to open the door.

[Maker]

The police way overreacted and handled the situation extremely badly.
It was a traffic stop, did not involve a chase, was not a known felon, and no weapons were involved.

Incidents like this are hugely detrimental to building and maintaining the public's positive opinion of the police.

EDIT - More bodycam footage due to be released from the 6 police officers at that traffic stop. I also would be interested in hearing the radio transmissions. What was said that necessitated that amount of police?

[Bogie Shooter]

I wonder what the end result would have been if his name wasn’t Tyreek Hill?

[Bill14564]

I wonder what the end result would have been if his name wasn’t Tyreek Hill?

Or earlier this year, Scottie Scheffler.

[Rainger99]

I wonder if the vehicle complied with the window tinting law. If the officer couldn't see him with the window closed, he had every right to open the door.

Although if an officer asks me to roll down my window and keep it rolled down, I am going to follow his directions.

I have only been stopped for a traffic incident twice in my life. Both times I did what I was told and there was no problem. I was very polite and the officers were very polite.

Here is a Chris Rock public service video on how to respond - and more importantly, how not to respond - to a police stop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

[mraines]

The police way overreacted and handled the situation extremely badly.
It was a traffic stop, did not involve a chase, was not a known felon, and no weapons were involved.

Incidents like this are hugely detrimental to building and maintaining the public's positive opinion of the police.

EDIT - More bodycam footage due to be released from the 6 police officers at that traffic stop. I also would be interested in hearing the radio transmissions. What was said that necessitated that amount of police?
I would hate to see what would have happened if he were not famous. I'm sorry, but white cops abuse their power with black men.

[mraines]

Although if an officer asks me to roll down my window and keep it rolled down, I am going to follow his directions.

I have only been stopped for a traffic incident twice in my life. Both times I did what I was told and there was no problem. I was very polite and the officers were very polite.

Here is a Chris Rock public service video on how to respond - and more importantly, how not to respond - to a police stop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

If you are a white male it is a whole different ball game.

[ElDiabloJoe]

The police way overreacted and handled the situation extremely badly.
It was a traffic stop, did not involve a chase, was not a known felon, and no weapons were involved.

Incidents like this are hugely detrimental to building and maintaining the public's positive opinion of the police.

EDIT - More bodycam footage due to be released from the 6 police officers at that traffic stop. I also would be interested in hearing the radio transmissions. What was said that necessitated that amount of police?

You make the HUGE assumption that when an officer makes a traffic stop that the vehicle's occupant is a normal law-abiding citizen and NOT a violent offender with a warrant. When you do this for a living, you do not take that gamble because you have ZERO idea who is in that car. You err on the side of YOUR survival, not err on the side of hurting someone's feelings.

It's okay though, I understand your point of view - after all, you probably watched a lot of cop shows on T.V. Of course you know how to do that life-threatening job better than the people that actually do it everyday. It's not like there's a lot of life risk in being a lawyer or working in corporate America. Heck, I've watched a lot of YouTube videos so I'm a professional plumber now also.

[Bill14564]

You make the HUGE assumption that when an officer makes a traffic stop that the vehicle's occupant is a normal law-abiding citizen and NOT a violent offender with a warrant. When you do this for a living, you do not take that gamble because you have ZERO idea who is in that car. You err on the side of YOUR survival, not err on the side of hurting someone's feelings.

It's okay though, I understand your point of view - after all, you probably watched a lot of cop shows on T.V. Of course you know how to do that life-threatening job better than the people that actually do it everyday. It's not like there's a lot of life risk in being a lawyer or working in corporate America. Heck, I've watched a lot of YouTube videos so I'm a professional plumber now also.

The "A Few Good Men" defense?

Physical assault goes far beyond hurting someone's feelings.

[Toymeister]

He was clearly not roĺling down his window. I see no problem with LEOs removing him from the car and detaining him.

The same result would happen to anyone of any race in the same circumstances.

Does anyone of at least average intelligence actually think the white male would get a pass for this?

[GoRedSox!]

I think the biggest challenge in a scenario like this is to figure out how to thread the needle so that everyone knows you support law enforcement and are grateful they put their lives on the line for us everyday, but recognize that this situation should have been handled differently. I don't think the vast majority of police officers would have handled it this way.

[blueash]

It was less than one minute before they pulled him out and had him face down. Hill did unroll his window, presented his license and then rolled it back up. The cop demanded he roll it back down and didn't wait or explain, no he just dragged Hill out. DIdn't let him get out on his own which he seemed willing and able to do. Hill never threated the cop. Then face down on the concrete, knee on his back. If the cop "needed" to cuff Hill, somewhere in his training he might have learned how to do that with a person standing and not fighting, somewhere. But he chose the most physical demeaning "see what I can do to you" method.


Then a different cop forces him to sit, why? Power play. Hill was cuffed, had not resisted, did not present a flee risk, couldn't do anything. Why force him, physically push him to the ground?

Bullies with badges. Unless more video/audio says something entirely different than what we have seen so far you'd have to be seriously in denial to call this good policing and not call it unnecessary police brutality.

Scottie has been mentioned. He was actually arrested and booked and somehow they managed to arrest him without physical force. But that was a white guy. Maybe that made a difference.

[coralway]

From the tape I saw, all he had to do was roll down his window, as requested. You can hear the officer say … we’re not gonna play that game.

[Rainger99]

If you are a white male it is a whole different ball game.

I really think that if a white guy refuses to follow simple orders from a cop that it will tend to escalate the situation.

Is there any white person out there that wants to volunteer to get stopped by cops for speeding and then ignore their directions just to see what happens?

[Maker]

He was clearly not roĺling down his window. I see no problem with LEOs removing him from the car and detaining him.

The same result would happen to anyone of any race in the same circumstances.

Does anyone of at least average intelligence actually think the white male would get a pass for this?

Prior to the point you are referencing...
He already did roll down the window all the way. Talked with the officer. Presented his drivers license. Officer then walks away, and then he rolled up the window.
Hill has stated he was attempting to prevent people stopping, jamming up traffic as they were trying to take photographs.

Once on the ground, look carefully for the officers to search for a weapon. That is the excuse we will hear for ripping him out of his car. Courts have ruled that drivers have no obligation to roll down windows.

Other news sites are reporting the people stopping beyond the scene were team mates. One was detained and handcuffed. I'm sure there will be more to come out about that.

The person on the phone Hill was talking with was the head of Dolphins security.

Looks like the officers were doing a few things. Teach a lesson to obey everything they say, even if those commands are not legal or necessary. Show Hill who is the "boss". Officers can disrespect anyone they want, at any time, for any reason.

Wonder is this is the norm there? Is everyone treated like that? Did they happen to just pick on the wrong guy this time - someone famous who will garner attention even if he doesn't want it?

[Maker]

You make the HUGE assumption that when an officer makes a traffic stop that the vehicle's occupant is a normal law-abiding citizen and NOT a violent offender with a warrant. When you do this for a living, you do not take that gamble because you have ZERO idea who is in that car. You err on the side of YOUR survival, not err on the side of hurting someone's feelings.

It's okay though, I understand your point of view - after all, you probably watched a lot of cop shows on T.V. Of course you know how to do that life-threatening job better than the people that actually do it everyday. It's not like there's a lot of life risk in being a lawyer or working in corporate America. Heck, I've watched a lot of YouTube videos so I'm a professional plumber now also.

You don't know me. Or my background. Please refrain from disrespecting in the future.

[MorTech]

Why wouldn't he roll down his tinted window when asked?
What would you be thinking?
Think it through.

[fdpaq0580]

I would hate to see what would have happened if he were not famous. I'm sorry, but white cops abuse their power with black men.

The RACE card? "Abuse "? Maybe just depends on how the initial contact goes and adjust accordingly to get the appropriate response. I saw the video. Right from the get go I could see the disrespect of Mr T. And it continued.
And the guy that pulled over, parking illegally, blocking traffic, not leaving after being told to move his vehicle, and ingeneral being a pain ita. He wanted video. Every cop car and every cop has video. He had no right to interfere by being a distraction.

[Bill14564]

The RACE card? "Abuse "? Maybe just depends on how the initial contact goes and adjust accordingly to get the appropriate response. I saw the video. Right from the get go I could see the disrespect of Mr T. And it continued.
And the guy that pulled over, parking illegally, blocking traffic, not leaving after being told to move his vehicle, and ingeneral being a pain ita. He wanted video. Every cop car and every cop has video. He had no right to interfere by being a distraction.

Not. Even. Close.

[fdpaq0580]

If you are a white male it is a whole different ball game.

If a the stop had been made exactly the same with the exception of Tyreek being white, I think it would have been pretty much the same. Protocol depends on actions and attitude, respect and response.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. Besides, we will never know.

[fdpaq0580]

Why wouldn't he roll down his tinted window when asked?
What would you be thinking?
Think it through.

Couldn't find the down button?

[Bill14564]

If a the stop had been made exactly the same with the exception of Tyreek being white, I think it would have been pretty much the same. Protocol depends on actions and attitude, respect and response.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. Besides, we will never know.

I don’t remember the video of Scheffler being thrown to the ground, twice, after being accused of disobeying an officer and dragging him with his car. Perhaps it’s a more severe penalty for not rolling a window completely down.

[fdpaq0580]

Not. Even. Close.

Well, guess we will have to agree to disagree. I'm going by what I saw on the video compared to others I have seen. Cops don't coddle those who disrespect them. Not rolling your window down or opening your door when told too, rolling the window up while the cop is talking to you is an inexcusable sign of disrespect and defiance.
Jmho

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

Every time there is some trouble with white cops and black citizens, this happens. Why? Because it’s easy. You have to get past this, society in the whole certainly has.

Better if you say LEO’s and citizens - that’s when the racism stops. Because when say white versus black you’re reflecting your own racism.

[BrianL99]

The police way overreacted and handled the situation extremely badly.
It was a traffic stop, did not involve a chase, was not a known felon, and no weapons were involved.

Incidents like this are hugely detrimental to building and maintaining the public's positive opinion of the police.

EDIT - More bodycam footage due to be released from the 6 police officers at that traffic stop. I also would be interested in hearing the radio transmissions. What was said that necessitated that amount of police?


& you say that, because Tyreek Hill has such a sterling record of staying out of trouble?

Domestic Violence (& thrown off his college team).

Child Abuse (Suspended by the KC Chiefs).

Assault in Miami Beach

Currently being sued by Sophie Hall for breaking her leg.

Tyreek Hill'''s timeline of trouble: From a domestic violence arrest in college to Sophie Hall lawsuit with Dolphins | Sporting News (https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/tyreek-hill-domestic-violence-child-abuse-investigation/neqfn40200lt16ik2142ay772)

[scubawva]

“was not a known felon,..”

The Officers had no idea who was driving, therefore no idea if a known felon or not, until ID shown and a check made.

Rule 1. Comply with LEO
Rule 2. See rule 1

[Stu from NYC]

Tinted window, he closed it how did the cops know if he had a gun in his hand.

They had every right to pull him out of his car but seemed to go too far in throwing him onto the ground.

[JMintzer]

I would hate to see what would have happened if he were not famous. I'm sorry, but white cops abuse their power with black men.

Good thing these officers were Hispanic, right?

[JMintzer]

It was less than one minute before they pulled him out and had him face down. Hill did unroll his window, presented his license and then rolled it back up. The cop demanded he roll it back down and didn't wait or explain, no he just dragged Hill out. DIdn't let him get out on his own which he seemed willing and able to do. Hill never threated the cop. Then face down on the concrete, knee on his back. If the cop "needed" to cuff Hill, somewhere in his training he might have learned how to do that with a person standing and not fighting, somewhere. But he chose the most physical demeaning "see what I can do to you" method.


Then a different cop forces him to sit, why? Power play. Hill was cuffed, had not resisted, did not present a flee risk, couldn't do anything. Why force him, physically push him to the ground?

Bullies with badges. Unless more video/audio says something entirely different than what we have seen so far you'd have to be seriously in denial to call this good policing and not call it unnecessary police brutality.

Scottie has been mentioned. He was actually arrested and booked and somehow they managed to arrest him without physical force. But that was a white guy. Maybe that made a difference.

Maybe it was because Scheffler complied with their LAWFUL orders...

[JMintzer]

I don’t remember the video of Scheffler being thrown to the ground, twice, after being accused of disobeying an officer and dragging him with his car. Perhaps it’s a more severe penalty for not rolling a window completely down.

Because none of that actually happened...

[MorTech]

Couldn't find the down button?

Maybe because he stole the car and didn't know how to operate it :)

He found it once but couldn't find it again...Hmm.

[MorTech]

I wonder what he did to get pulled over. Maybe there is video of that.

[Two Bills]

One thing for sure, that situation would never happen in the UK.
Probably take our Police a couple of hours to rustle up that many plods for a traffic stop!

[Rocksnap]

I wonder what the end result would have been if his name wasn’t Tyreek Hill?
If you even get pulled over, act like Tyree did. Let’s see how far you get. FAFO

[BillY41]

The police way overreacted and handled the situation extremely badly.
It was a traffic stop, did not involve a chase, was not a known felon, and no weapons were involved.

Incidents like this are hugely detrimental to building and maintaining the public's positive opinion of the police.

EDIT - More bodycam footage due to be released from the 6 police officers at that traffic stop. I also would be interested in hearing the radio transmissions. What was said that necessitated that amount of police?
You don't know if weapons are involved until after you make the stop. No over reaction whatsoever

[RoseyRed]

Totally agree there could have been improvement on both sides! Mr Hill could have been more respectable by keeping the window down and paying attention to the officer's commands instead of his phone! The 2nd gentleman could not even stop talking on the phone long enough to hear what the officer had to say. Police officer should have explained himself more instead of being impatient. Treat others as you would like to be treated.

[Indydealmaker]

Hill could have been more compliant.

The police could have been less aggressive.


Bodycam footage shows how Tyreek Hill detainment escalated (https://nypost.com/2024/09/09/sports/bodycam-footage-shows-how-tyreek-hill-detainment-escalated/)

Most controversial law enforcement actions are the result of unforgivable disrespect by citizens. Tyreek is not exactly a role model but instead of taking advantage of the opportunity to elevate his personal reputation, he chose to immediately disregard the authority of law enforcement.

[mfodale]

It's easy. Do. What. You. Are. Told.

[Bay Kid]

Privileged. Such a shame how our world has lost respect.

[dewilson58]

Comply.
Sign the ticket.
Drive away.
Blue/green/yellow/black/white.
:gc:

[banjobob]

[QUOTE=Maker;2369203]The police way overreacted and handled the situation extremely badly.
It was a traffic stop, did not involve a chase, was not a known felon, and no weapons were involved.

Incidents like this are hugely detrimental to building and maintaining the public's positive opinion of the police.

EDIT - More bodycam footage due to be released from the 6 police officers at that traffic stop. I also would be interested in hearing the radio transmissions. What was said that necessitated that amount of ?[/ ]
A very simple answer do what the officer instructs you to do. period

[mflasch]

Same as aways. If these idiots would simply obey the law and if confronted by the police simply comply with the police officer's requests, these types of instances would be eliminated. You would think by now they would understand this, but obviously not.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Comply.
Sign the ticket.
Drive away.
Blue/green/yellow/black/white.
:gc:

When people accused me of violating their rights, I told them, Great! You can sue me and the agency for gazillions tomorrow morning."

Funny thing is, they never stopped accusing Guess they knew all along they were in the wrong.

Ya know what they say sticks in a lot of people's heads: A strong offense is the best defense. I think they meant the gridiron, not curbside, but the mentality is the same.

[Joe C.]

Just because his name is Tyreek Hill, doesn't mean that he's famous. Until this incident became news, I had never heard of him.
His windows were tinted too dark to see the interior (not legal).
He didn't keep his window rolled down (he could have had a weapon inside .. no way for the cop to know).
No time for games.
Comply or get cuffed.
It's a no brainer ..... even for someone with half a brain.

[Taltarzac725]

Just because his name is Tyreek Hill, doesn't mean that he's famous. Until this incident became news, I had never heard of him.
His windows were tinted too dark to see the interior (not legal).
He didn't keep his window rolled down (he could have had a weapon inside .. no way for the cop to know).
No time for games.
Comply or get cuffed.
It's a no brainer ..... even for someone with half a brain.

Sounds reasonable.

[Maker]

& you say that, because Tyreek Hill has such a sterling record of staying out of trouble?

Domestic Violence (& thrown off his college team).

Child Abuse (Suspended by the KC Chiefs).

Assault in Miami Beach

Currently being sued by Sophie Hall for breaking her leg.

Tyreek Hill'''s timeline of trouble: From a domestic violence arrest in college to Sophie Hall lawsuit with Dolphins | Sporting News (https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/tyreek-hill-domestic-violence-child-abuse-investigation/neqfn40200lt16ik2142ay772)

How would the cop know that before he pulled Hill out (by his hair) of the car? And then several seconds later when the same cop grabbed him around the neck when he dropped him to the curb?

Even if cop somehow did know that when he first approached Hill's car, why would the cop not get Hill out at that point in time when the window was down (because Hill giving license to cop), and before the cop walked away?

There are 2 clips floating around. One showing the entire event, from the initial stop through the event. The other clip omits the beginning, and starts as hill was rolling up the window. That one is edited and incomplete.

[Pat2015]

You make the HUGE assumption that when an officer makes a traffic stop that the vehicle's occupant is a normal law-abiding citizen and NOT a violent offender with a warrant. When you do this for a living, you do not take that gamble because you have ZERO idea who is in that car. You err on the side of YOUR survival, not err on the side of hurting someone's feelings.

It's okay though, I understand your point of view - after all, you probably watched a lot of cop shows on T.V. Of course you know how to do that life-threatening job better than the people that actually do it everyday. It's not like there's a lot of life risk in being a lawyer or working in corporate America. Heck, I've watched a lot of YouTube videos so I'm a professional plumber now also.
Agree with all that you said. Traffic stops are the leading cause of fatalities for police officers. In this case the windows were heavily tinted so the officer could not see him or potentially other occupants, and he was not compliant. Why didn’t he just do what he was told to do?

[David P]

The Supreme Court has held not only must you roll the window down but if officer asks you to get out you must exit the car. Maryland v. Wilson 519 us 408 (1997).
In Pennsylvania v Mimms the court also said the officer can also require everyone in the vehicle to exit the car. There are several other cases that can be sited like Michigan v Long.

A ticket is actually a courtesy, you could technically be detained.

If the cop asks you to roll the window down do it. Cop says get out do it. Plenty of time later to argue your side of the story.

[Sandy and Ed]

Although if an officer asks me to roll down my window and keep it rolled down, I am going to follow his directions.

I have only been stopped for a traffic incident twice in my life. Both times I did what I was told and there was no problem. I was very polite and the officers were very polite.

Here is a Chris Rock public service video on how to respond - and more importantly, how not to respond - to a police stop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
I’ve only been stopped once in my life. 3:30 in the morning and, I am told driving erratically (I passed over the shoulder line). I stopped the car rolled down the window and placed both hands on the door so they were visible. Easy peasy- no sweat. My ego was not damaged by understanding that a cop will (and should) always be on the alert. Now this was 40 years ago when citizens had more appreciation for our police. Now??? Well I wold imagine a cop needs to be even more alert given the idiots that are out there

[fdpaq0580]

I’ve only been stopped once in my life. 3:30 in the morning and, I am told driving erratically (I passed over the shoulder line). I stopped the car rolled down the window and placed both hands on the door so they were visible. Easy peasy- no sweat. My ego was not damaged by understanding that a cop will (and should) always be on the alert. Now this was 40 years ago when citizens had more appreciation for our police. Now??? Well I wold imagine a cop needs to be even more alert given the idiots that are out there

Yep. A cop has a tough job. Every day they have to prepare for the worst, hope for the best, navigate every situation while walking the tightrope between curtesy and caution. All while undergoing the scrutiny of an unfriendly and uneducated public looking for any excuse to police bash. Jmho.

[Pugchief]

One thing for sure, that situation would never happen in the UK.
Probably take our Police a couple of hours to rustle up that many plods for a traffic stop!

Unless the perp was posting unapproved dialogue on Facebook or Twitter. It seems like they send the UK cops out in force for violating the narrative.

[macawlaw]

Tried to delete, but only let me edit. Decided I didn’t want to participate in this post.

[fdpaq0580]

Tried to delete, but only let me edit. Decided I didn’t want to participate in this post.

Nice of you to drop by anyway.
Many folks just delete any verbiage and enter three characters such as, ///, then send that. If I want to delete my post before I send it, I just hit the arrow at the bottom of the screen that takes me to the previous page. It's like I never hit "reply". Like backing out.
See ya around. 😀

[Bwanajim]

I can’t believe people are using the race card. The cop asked him twice to roll the window down. He would not do it. Then the cop asked him twice to get out of the car and he would not do it. You do what the damn cop tells you and you don’t get hurt! None of this would’ve happened if he simply complied with the cops order . How’s the cops supposed to know whether he has a gun in there or not? I’m sick of the BS blaming cops.

[Bwanajim]

How would the cop know that before he pulled Hill out (by his hair) of the car? And then several seconds later when the same cop grabbed him around the neck when he dropped him to the curb?

Even if cop somehow did know that when he first approached Hill's car, why would the cop not get Hill out at that point in time when the window was down (because Hill giving license to cop), and before the cop walked away?

There are 2 clips floating around. One showing the entire event, from the initial stop through the event. The other clip omits the beginning, and starts as hill was rolling up the window. That one is edited and incomplete.

ITS REAL SIMPLE! DO WHAT COP TELLS YOU!!! If you had put your window down like he asked twice, this would not happen. If you got out of the car after ask you twice, this would not happen.
How was the cops supposed to know whether the guy got a gun in his lap? I’m sick of blaming the cops. I’ve been pulled over plenty of times and List what they told me and never got in trouble. When I get pulled over, I put all four windows down so he can see in the car and I put my hands on the steering wheel. You have no idea what they go through every day!!

[Bwanajim]

All had to do is listen to the cop. The cop asked him to roll his window down and keep it down, he ignored him and rolled it up. The cop asked him twice to get out of the car, he didn’t do it. How the hell is the cops supposed to know whether this guy has a weapon or not? Your reply is BS.

[Bill14564]

ITS REAL SIMPLE! DO WHAT COP TELLS YOU!!! If you had put your window down like he asked twice, this would not happen. If you got out of the car after ask you twice, this would not happen.
How was the cops supposed to know whether the guy got a gun in his lap? I’m sick of blaming the cops. I’ve been pulled over plenty of times and List what they told me and never got in trouble. When I get pulled over, I put all four windows down so he can see in the car and I put my hands on the steering wheel. You have no idea what they go through every day!!

You're privilege might be showing *just* a little bit.

Hill's major offense was not rolling the window down *enough*. Not rolling it down *quickly enough.* Not getting out of the car *quickly enough.* Not sitting down *quickly enough.* And for that he was dragged out of the car, shoved to the ground, handcuffed with a knee in his back, then choked and pulled to the ground again.

The cop certainly showed who was boss. If that is what he is paid to do then the national exposure will do him good. We'll see.

[ronda]

I would hate to see what would have happened if he were not famous. I'm sorry, but white cops abuse their power with black men.

Not for nothing, but several of the cops were Hispanic. The cop that was suspended was Danny Torres.

[Rainger99]

Not for nothing, but several of the cops were Hispanic. The cop that was suspended was Danny Torres.

Pretty soon you are going to hear the term “white” hispanic.

[Normal]

Wow, what a punk. His snobbish attitude deserves a little prison time

[Bogie Shooter]

Those 3 posts in a row were like listening to a recording.:duck:

[JMintzer]

Not for nothing, but several of the cops were Hispanic. The cop that was suspended was Danny Torres.

No cop was "suspended. He was put on "desk duty' pending and investigation...

[Maker]

You're privilege might be showing *just* a little bit.

Hill's major offense was not rolling the window down *enough*. Not rolling it down *quickly enough.* Not getting out of the car *quickly enough.* Not sitting down *quickly enough.* And for that he was dragged out of the car, shoved to the ground, handcuffed with a knee in his back, then choked and pulled to the ground again.

The cop certainly showed who was boss. If that is what he is paid to do then the national exposure will do him good. We'll see.

Don't forget the initial interaction where Hill rolled down the window all the way. Talked to the officer. Gave officer his driver license. Officers had plenty of time to look for a weapon, ask other questions, etc. The after officer walked away, Hill rolled up the window.

Now Bill's narrative starts

[ronda]

No cop was "suspended. He was put on "desk duty' pending and investigation...

Yes, you are correct, but I think you missed what I was trying to say.
I was trying to no be too direct.

[JMintzer]

Yes, you are correct, but I think you missed what I was trying to say.
I was trying to no be too direct.

No, I understood, and I agree with your point... I just try to be accurate whenever possible...