Pete Rose dead

[Rainger99]

Should he get into the Hall of Fame now??


MLB hit king Pete Rose dead at 83 - Yahoo Sports (https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-hit-king-pete-rose-dead-at-83-231616898.html?.tsrc=1340&ncid=crm_-1285232-20240930-95&bt_user_id=4GOPrSpOzzyTIYOHH759bzfH8YYNA3JT4K1uMJN OFyg%2FLTfKY5McBcslqwaZaG%2Fy8UzXUx8E3sQaLXcmJz8h6 tYiiFS3SKZMMpfcUth2UUI30AHXzgrIzuxeSvlbwxV0&bt_ts=1727740504445)

[retiredguy123]

When I heard he charged kids and other fans for an autograph, I lost all respect for him.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Should he get into the Hall of Fame now??


MLB hit king Pete Rose dead at 83 - Yahoo Sports (https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-hit-king-pete-rose-dead-at-83-231616898.html?.tsrc=1340&ncid=crm_-1285232-20240930-95&bt_user_id=4GOPrSpOzzyTIYOHH759bzfH8YYNA3JT4K1uMJN OFyg%2FLTfKY5McBcslqwaZaG%2Fy8UzXUx8E3sQaLXcmJz8h6 tYiiFS3SKZMMpfcUth2UUI30AHXzgrIzuxeSvlbwxV0&bt_ts=1727740504445)

Sure....just as soon as they let Bonds, McGuire, Clemens et al in. Yes all were on the juice but many others were as well and it’s well known MLB was complicit in that steroid era.
Rose was hard headed and probably would’ve got in if he just admitted his wrongdoing....unfortunately, he didn’t until it was too late. It’s just silly to me since the HOF in most sports is about your accomplishments in the game....not your character. If it was about the latter, a good percentage of these HOF would have a lot of empty spaces

[Rainger99]

Sure....just as soon as they let Bonds, McGuire, Clemens et al in. Yes all were on the juice but many others were as well and it’s well known MLB was complicit in that steroid era.
Rose was hard headed and probably would’ve got in if he just admitted his wrongdoing....unfortunately, he didn’t until it was too late. It’s just silly to me since the HOF in most sports is about your accomplishments in the game....not your character. If it was about the latter, a good percentage of these HOF would have a lot of empty spaces

How about Shoeless Joe??

[Shipping up to Boston]

How about Shoeless Joe??

I listed several that I believe should be first ballot HOF. Of course there are many more. I don’t like some of these compromised baseball writers controlling the votes with their holier than thou narratives. Wish there was another way

[Rainger99]

When I heard he charged kids and other fans for an autograph, I lost all respect for him.

During his playing and managing career, Pete Rose earned a total of $7.1 million in salaries. His highest-earning year was 1986 when the Cincinnati Reds paid Rose $1 million for managing the team.

That is a lot money but it is a pittance to what the top players make now.

I saw an interview with Mickey Mantle shortly before he died. Mantle made $1,128,000 during his entire career playing with the Yankees. At that time Roger Clemens was making more than $5 million a year. Mantle said that Clemens would more by Memorial Day than he did in his entire career.

[Caymus]

When I heard he charged kids and other fans for an autograph, I lost all respect for him.

I remember seeing him a few times at the Las Vegas Caesars signing autographs.

[Shipping up to Boston]

He made

During his playing and managing career, Pete Rose earned a total of $7.1 million in salaries. His highest-earning year was 1986 when the Cincinnati Reds paid Rose $1 million for managing the team.

That is a lot money but it is a pittance to what the top players make now.

I saw an interview with Mickey Mantle shortly before he died. Mantle made $1,128,000 during his entire career playing with the Yankees. At that time Roger Clemens was making more than $5 million a year. Mantle said that Clemens would more by Memorial Day than he did in his entire career.

Sorry to cross sports....but it’s all relative to the times. Bobby Orr’s first contract was a 2 year 70K deal! I believe the Bruins also took care of finishing the siding on his parents home in Parry Sound in Canada

[retiredguy123]

He made

During his playing and managing career, Pete Rose earned a total of $7.1 million in salaries. His highest-earning year was 1986 when the Cincinnati Reds paid Rose $1 million for managing the team.

That is a lot money but it is a pittance to what the top players make now.

I saw an interview with Mickey Mantle shortly before he died. Mantle made $1,128,000 during his entire career playing with the Yankees. At that time Roger Clemens was making more than $5 million a year. Mantle said that Clemens would more by Memorial Day than he did in his entire career.
I don't get your point. It doesn't change my opinion at all.

[asianthree]

He was next door neighbor of close friends. Attended events at his home couple of times before the scandal, and once after he was banned.
Ban was a Hugh topic for years, I met many in that neighborhood that lost respect because of his actions. Rose never impressed me before he was caught, didn’t change much after the ban.

Just my opinion, but a life banned athlete, shouldn’t be allowed in any HOF.

[Rainger99]

I don't get your point. It doesn't change my opinion at all.

I believe your point was that he shouldn’t charge for autographs. My point was that he probably needed the money.

I was at a mall a few years ago and Hank Aaron was charging for autographs.

Do you respect him?

And lots of athletes charge for autographs.


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[Topspinmo]

I don't get your point. It doesn't change my opinion at all.


Does your opinion matter to others? No, it only matters to you. :faint:

[Topspinmo]

He was next door neighbor of close friends. Attended events at his home couple of times before the scandal, and once after he was banned.
Ban was a Hugh topic for years, I met many in that neighborhood that lost respect because of his actions. Rose never impressed me before he was caught, didn’t change much after the ban.

Just my opinion, but a life banned athlete, shouldn’t be allowed in any HOF.

Naturally he was measly ball player and not doctor and owned 10 houses.

So neighbor’s skeletons wasn’t out of closets so they lost respect for him.

[badkarma318]

Setting aside the kid rape, chronic adultery, degenerate gambling, pathological lying & raging narcissistic personality because they're "off the field", he used corked bats for years, so his numbers are tainted & he will never, ever be inducted into the Hall of Fame, thankfully.

[Shipping up to Boston]

does your opinion matter to others? No, it only matters to you. :faint:

lmao

[Shipping up to Boston]

Setting aside the kid rape, chronic adultery, degenerate gambling, pathological lying & raging narcissistic personality because they're "off the field", he used corked bats for years, so his numbers are tainted & he will never, ever be inducted into the Hall of Fame, thankfully.

You do realize OJ is still in the HOF right?
Again people...these (some) athletes are horrible human beings but until its changed, it's about on field/court/ice accomplishments. Character doesn't enter the equation unless its a butt hurt writer that can't stay on script and has an agenda

[retiredguy123]

I believe your point was that he shouldn’t charge for autographs. My point was that he probably needed the money.

I was at a mall a few years ago and Hank Aaron was charging for autographs.

Do you respect him?

And lots of athletes charge for autographs.


Athlete Autograph Listings — Crave the Auto (https://www.cravetheauto.com/autograph-appearances)
I will just say that you would never see Arnold Palmer charge for an autograph. He took his time to make sure his name was legible and encouraged younger pro golfers to do the same. Charging a fan for an autograph is disgraceful.

[bilcon]

When I heard he charged kids and other fans for an autograph, I lost all respect for him.

My son and I were at a Mets vs Cincinnati game in 1981 and our seats were right by 1st Base. During batting practice my son, then 12 years old, was trying to get autographs of some of the Mets. He was totally ignored. Pete Rose was at the bat. After he finished batting practice, he walked over to the Mets side, where we were standing by the rail. He walked up to my son, and asked him if he would like his autograph. My son was thrilled and we thanked him. He said, "I noticed the Mets players totally ignoring your son, even though he was the only kid there".
He still has that autograph on his wall. I don't condone what he did, but he was still a great ball player.

[mraines]

When I heard he charged kids and other fans for an autograph, I lost all respect for him.

I did not have to pay for mine. Unfortunately, he used a pen and it has faded.

[ThirdOfFive]

Should he get into the Hall of Fame now??


MLB hit king Pete Rose dead at 83 - Yahoo Sports (https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-hit-king-pete-rose-dead-at-83-231616898.html?.tsrc=1340&ncid=crm_-1285232-20240930-95&bt_user_id=4GOPrSpOzzyTIYOHH759bzfH8YYNA3JT4K1uMJN OFyg%2FLTfKY5McBcslqwaZaG%2Fy8UzXUx8E3sQaLXcmJz8h6 tYiiFS3SKZMMpfcUth2UUI30AHXzgrIzuxeSvlbwxV0&bt_ts=1727740504445)
There was evidence that Rose placed bets involving the Reds both when he was their player-manager, and also later when he was their manager. Though I don't know if there is any evidence that he bet AGAINST the Reds, or engaged in any overt actions as a player or as a manager that could be construed to make a score closer or to actually have the Reds lose a ball game, he DID admit that he'd consider it.

"Janszen (Paul Janszen, a friend of Rose's who ran bets for Rose) claimed Rose said he would consider throwing a game if a large enough bet was placed on it, and said he'd check with managers before games to ask about the health of opposing players before placing bets on their teams." ("Pete Rose's gambling scandal, explained: Why MLB's hits king is banned for betting on baseball", Edward Sutelan, The Sporting News, 10/1/24). Add to that the fact that there is evidence that Rose's gambling amounts were close to or possibly even in excess of his salary: He never earned more than $1 million dollars in one year, either as a player or manager, and during one three-month stretch of time (can't remember the year) his losses totalled over $450,000.

Rose's accomplishments puts him the the same league as Babe Ruth, Walter Johnson, Ty Cobb, and Henry Aaron. Nevertheless the harm that a player could conceivably do to the game by gambling on their sport, particularly as Rose knew full well that what he was doing was totally forbidden, outweighs anything else.

Banning him was the right decision. Sad as that may be.

[Shipping up to Boston]

I will just say that you would never see Arnold Palmer charge for an autograph. He took his time to make sure his name was legible and encouraged younger pro golfers to do the same. Charging a fan for an autograph is disgraceful.

You obviously don't know how sports collectible and card shows work. Arnold Palmer or any athlete that gets booked for these events...in addition to appearance fees, charges for autographs. Perfectly acceptable.
Idk if you think they're charging as players on the fields or courses ...never heard of that nonsense. On their own time either. They may decline a request but not pull out a bill fold or coin dispenser to make change for a fan. Smh

[Rainger99]

I will just say that you would never see Arnold Palmer charge for an autograph. He took his time to make sure his name was legible and encouraged younger pro golfers to do the same. Charging a fan for an autograph is disgraceful.

Although he apparently used an autopen machine to sign his name for requests that came in the mail.

Just a moment... (https://www.psacard.com/autographfacts/golf/arnold-palmer/90)

But I still respect him.

[Topspinmo]

You do realize OJ is still in the HOF right?
Again people...these (some) athletes are horrible human beings but until its changed, it's about on field/court/ice accomplishments. Character doesn't enter the equation unless its a butt hurt writer that can't stay on script and has an agenda

Horrible human beings comes in all shapes, sizes, rich, and poor. IMO the rich probably has higher percentage. :beer3:

[Shipping up to Boston]

Horrible human beings comes in all shapes, sizes, rich, and poor. IMO the rich probably has higher percentage. :beer3:

Bill Cosby "Liked" this!

[asianthree]

Naturally he was measly ball player and not doctor and owned 10 houses.

So neighbor’s skeletons wasn’t out of closets so they lost respect for him.

That you are incorrect, Rose treated everyone like they were on the lowest rung on the ladder. Throwing insults to a waitstaff, a NP or a Physician. Then if you didn’t kiss the ring, you had no way of making out unscathed.
His Mom would apologize to everyone for his behavior, was always so embarrassed. One of the staff told her don’t worry about us we are here to take care of you, no matter who the person is screaming out side the door.

Smiling he said you did your best, how he chooses how to treat people. It’s no reflection on your part.

[Shipping up to Boston]

That you are incorrect, Rose treated everyone like they were on the lowest rung on the ladder. Throwing insults to a waitstaff, a NP or a Physician. Then if you didn’t kiss the ring, you had no way of making out unscathed.
His Mom would apologize to everyone for his behavior, was always so embarrassed. One of the staff told her don’t worry about us we are here to take care of you, no matter who the person is screaming out side the door.

Smiling he said you did your best, how he chooses how to treat people. It’s no reflection on your part.

You might have 3rd party knowledge of the...83yr old failing individual....but once again, what you fail to understand and acknowledge....it doesn't matter if he was a womanizer, killed a waiter or kicks his dog across the kitchen floor. His accomplishments as a player are what he is judged (or should be) in HOF consideration. This isn't the College of the Cardinals picking a Pope!

Btw....good to see HIPAA at work in all its glory!

[tophcfa]

I lost all respect for him when I watched him steamroll Ray Fosse at home plate during the 1970 All Star game. Fosse was never the same after that play. Taking out a fellow ball player during a meaningless exhibition game is not something a good person does.

[Caymus]

So, who was a "worse" person, Ty Cobb or Pete Rose?

[Shipping up to Boston]

So, who was a "worse" person, Ty Cobb or Pete Rose?

Is this a Sophie's Choice?

[asianthree]

You might have 3rd party knowledge of the...83yr old failing individual....but once again, what you fail to understand and acknowledge....it doesn't matter if he was a womanizer, killed a waiter or kicks his dog across the kitchen floor. His accomplishments as a player are what he is judged (or should be) in HOF consideration. This isn't the College of the Cardinals picking a Pope!

Btw....good to see HIPAA at work in all its glory!

You assumed it was a medical event….
I posted i attended couple of events before, and one after at his house. Which by the way is one of the more affluent neighborhoods in the city.
It was at a fundraiser, his mom was involved in, and he went off on a tangent to the staff. Since it was her venue, staff told her we are here to take care of your needs.

Already voiced my opinion on should he be in HOF

[badkarma318]

You do realize OJ is still in the HOF right?
Again people...these (some) athletes are horrible human beings but until its changed, it's about on field/court/ice accomplishments. Character doesn't enter the equation unless its a butt hurt writer that can't stay on script and has an agenda

You do realize I separated the character flaws - "Setting aside . . .", from the hollow on-field accomplishments - "he used corked bats for years, so his numbers are tainted", right?

He was a scumbag off the field, and a dishonorable cheater on it.

[Rainger99]

I lost all respect for him when I watched him steamroll Ray Fosse at home plate during the 1970 All Star game. Fosse was never the same after that play. Taking out a fellow ball player during a meaningless exhibition game is not something a good person does.

Do you think Rose intended to hurt him? Was Fosse blocking the plate? Was Fosse trying to win a meaningless exhibition game? Who had more protection? A catcher or a base runner? Rose could have been injured as easily as Fosse and we might never have heard of Rose.

I have seen collisions at the plate in high school games which are meaningless.

And years ago, I was playing in a coed softball league. I was covering home plate (with no protection) and a girl was trying to score. I had the ball when she was about 20 feet from home plate. I expected her to slow up and be tagged. Instead, she kept coming full speed, lowered her shoulder, and ran into me. She knocked me down (but I held onto the ball). That was a meaningless exhibition game.

[Shipping up to Boston]

You do realize I separated the character flaws - "Setting aside . . .", from the hollow on-field accomplishments - "he used corked bats for years, so his numbers are tainted", right?

He was a scumbag off the field, and a dishonorable cheater on it.

I’m not defending his character....the only thing he’s been sanctioned for ...was as a manager, for gambling. If you want rumors, hearsay and the unsubstantiated to be the standard, then you have a lot of evictions to effect in Cooperstown. If ‘scumbaggery’ was the standard, the place would be nearly empty!

[Shipping up to Boston]

I lost all respect for him when I watched him steamroll Ray Fosse at home plate during the 1970 All Star game. Fosse was never the same after that play. Taking out a fellow ball player during a meaningless exhibition game is not something a good person does.

His ‘Charlie Hustle’ persona extended to ‘meaningless exhibition games’ as well. I was too young to remember the incident but have since watched the videos of it. I admire any athlete that plays with that type of intensity, sports blind....because that’s what made those eras in all sports so special. These All Star games are embarrassing today. They are all just corporate picnics ...the athleticism, competitive spirit and significance have all disappeared

[Rainger99]

I usually disagree with Stephen A. Smith. But even he got this one right!!

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[spjvette]

Roger Clemens started the pay for autographs

[Rainger99]

I lost all respect for him when I watched him steamroll Ray Fosse at home plate during the 1970 All Star game. Fosse was never the same after that play. Taking out a fellow ball player during a meaningless exhibition game is not something a good person does.

Joe DiMaggio as to why he always gave his best.

"There is always some kid who may be seeing me for the first or last time, I owe him my best." Source: The Sporting News (April 4, 1951)

[jimkerr]

Should he get into the Hall of Fame now??


MLB hit king Pete Rose dead at 83 - Yahoo Sports (https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-hit-king-pete-rose-dead-at-83-231616898.html?.tsrc=1340&ncid=crm_-1285232-20240930-95&bt_user_id=4GOPrSpOzzyTIYOHH759bzfH8YYNA3JT4K1uMJN OFyg%2FLTfKY5McBcslqwaZaG%2Fy8UzXUx8E3sQaLXcmJz8h6 tYiiFS3SKZMMpfcUth2UUI30AHXzgrIzuxeSvlbwxV0&bt_ts=1727740504445)

Why? He didn’t deserve it when he was alive and doesn’t deserve it now.

[jimkerr]

When I heard he charged kids and other fans for an autograph, I lost all respect for him.

I met him at a store where he was signing baseballs. He wanted $350.00 got his autograph. No thanks.

He was also extremely arrogant and wouldn’t even have a conversation with anyone. I guess he was not happy that nobody was paying for his worthless autograph.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Why? He didn’t deserve it when he was alive and doesn’t deserve it now.

Of course not....why would you put the all time hits leader (a record that still stands and may never be eclipsed)....in Cooperstown? :1rotfl:

[ThirdOfFive]

Joe DiMaggio as to why he always gave his best.

"There is always some kid who may be seeing me for the first or last time, I owe him my best." Source: The Sporting News (April 4, 1951)
It is easy to like a person with an attitude like Joe DiMaggio's. But pro athletes don't achieve megastar success based on their personality. They achieve it through excellence in their chosen sport. Many "superstars" were and are pretty dislikeable as human beings.

You can respect the accomplishments without respecting the person.

[airstreamingypsy]

No, he doesn't belong in the HOF. for the same reason he didn't belong when he was alive.

[retiredguy123]

You obviously don't know how sports collectible and card shows work. Arnold Palmer or any athlete that gets booked for these events...in addition to appearance fees, charges for autographs. Perfectly acceptable.
Idk if you think they're charging as players on the fields or courses ...never heard of that nonsense. On their own time either. They may decline a request but not pull out a bill fold or coin dispenser to make change for a fan. Smh
See Post No. 39.

[nn0wheremann]

Should he get into the Hall of Fame now??


MLB hit king Pete Rose dead at 83 - Yahoo Sports (https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-hit-king-pete-rose-dead-at-83-231616898.html?.tsrc=1340&ncid=crm_-1285232-20240930-95&bt_user_id=4GOPrSpOzzyTIYOHH759bzfH8YYNA3JT4K1uMJN OFyg%2FLTfKY5McBcslqwaZaG%2Fy8UzXUx8E3sQaLXcmJz8h6 tYiiFS3SKZMMpfcUth2UUI30AHXzgrIzuxeSvlbwxV0&bt_ts=1727740504445)
No. Baseball is based on honest statistics, and liars & cheaters have no place.

[Shipping up to Boston]

See Post No. 39.

Oh I see now. Athletes now have to give in to requests for free autographs at card shows....which the recipient will then sell off at a collectible show or EBay for a healthy return....but do so with some faux mutual admiration?!
It’s been used before but people really need to find new moral compasses in life....if athletes are that to so many I remind you, athletes, actors, politicians and yes even some ToTV members will always disappoint. Btw...feel free to visit my SUTB merch site on Amazon. Link withheld :1rotfl:

[Shipping up to Boston]

No. Baseball is based on honest statistics, and liars & cheaters have no place.

Babe Ruth from beyond the grave “Liked” this!

[kkosully]

It was a lifetime ban…. well his life is over… ban should be lifted… and in a few years he will be inducted.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Do you think Rose intended to hurt him? Was Fosse blocking the plate? Was Fosse trying to win a meaningless exhibition game? Who had more protection? A catcher or a base runner? Rose could have been injured as easily as Fosse and we might never have heard of Rose.

I have seen collisions at the plate in high school games which are meaningless.

And years ago, I was playing in a coed softball league. I was covering home plate (with no protection) and a girl was trying to score. I had the ball when she was about 20 feet from home plate. I expected her to slow up and be tagged. Instead, she kept coming full speed, lowered her shoulder, and ran into me. She knocked me down (but I held onto the ball). That was a meaningless exhibition game.

She sounds like she could’ve been the daughter of a Russian beet farmer....yeesh.

[Margefrog]

Dying is not an accomplishment and doesn't change what he did.

[graciegirl]

Dying is not an accomplishment and doesn't change what he did.

Rounding third and heading home.

You will be missed Charlie Hustle.

[TheDude]

Maybe he died on purpose so they ban would end and he could go in the place the ALL TIME hits leader, a record that will never be broken, should be.

Now I got to go legally bet on baseball, said all the current MLB players.

[bowtie]

If there was no credible evidence that he bet against his team, as a player or manager, then he should have never been banned.

[jimjamuser]

When I heard he charged kids and other fans for an autograph, I lost all respect for him.
Autographs are stupid in general. It is a hassle for the one giving the autograph and (to me) it makes the autograph seeker realize how small they are and NEEDY to believe that the famous persons signature will make their life better. Being around a famous person for a small second is NOT going to make the not famous receiver of the autograph anything more than they already are. The whole autograph practice is wrong for many reasons in my opinion.

[jimjamuser]

Sure....just as soon as they let Bonds, McGuire, Clemens et al in. Yes all were on the juice but many others were as well and it’s well known MLB was complicit in that steroid era.
Rose was hard headed and probably would’ve got in if he just admitted his wrongdoing....unfortunately, he didn’t until it was too late. It’s just silly to me since the HOF in most sports is about your accomplishments in the game....not your character. If it was about the latter, a good percentage of these HOF would have a lot of empty spaces
I preferred Roberto Clemente both for his playing style and his character.

[jimjamuser]

During his playing and managing career, Pete Rose earned a total of $7.1 million in salaries. His highest-earning year was 1986 when the Cincinnati Reds paid Rose $1 million for managing the team.

That is a lot money but it is a pittance to what the top players make now.

I saw an interview with Mickey Mantle shortly before he died. Mantle made $1,128,000 during his entire career playing with the Yankees. At that time Roger Clemens was making more than $5 million a year. Mantle said that Clemens would more by Memorial Day than he did in his entire career.
Don't forget that the value of money (the dollar) has changed radically over all those years. You need to convert the older players salaries to today"s dollar value. What that will LIKELY reveal is that Mickey Mantle was probably paid as much as today's players. Note : I have NOT taken the time to make the actual calculation. I am not that interested. Someone else may be?

[jimjamuser]

He was next door neighbor of close friends. Attended events at his home couple of times before the scandal, and once after he was banned.
Ban was a Hugh topic for years, I met many in that neighborhood that lost respect because of his actions. Rose never impressed me before he was caught, didn’t change much after the ban.

Just my opinion, but a life banned athlete, shouldn’t be allowed in any HOF.
What I would like to know is WHY he did NOT impress you? I think that ANY professional athlete in ANY sport is impressive. It is hard for a good high school athlete in a sport to make it to the next level - college level - many don't make it. Then the jump from college sports to professional is a great LEAP. I did NOT and still have dreams of the DISAPPOINTMENT.
.......Even if Pete Rose had ZERO personality and several other flaws, I would still be IMPRESSED and JEALOUS that he made it to the BIGS.

[blueash]

If there was no credible evidence that he bet against his team, as a player or manager, then he should have never been banned.

Doesn't work that way.
1. Betting was a known lifetime ban.
2. As a manager if I am betting to win tomorrow I don't use my best closer in the one run game today as I am saving him. Thus maybe I cost my team today's game. This is how only betting to win is not a valid excuse.

[jimjamuser]

Setting aside the kid rape, chronic adultery, degenerate gambling, pathological lying & raging narcissistic personality because they're "off the field", he used corked bats for years, so his numbers are tainted & he will never, ever be inducted into the Hall of Fame, thankfully.
Sounds like all the things that Pete Rose did would make a pretty good book.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Doesn't work that way.
1. Betting was a known lifetime ban.
2. As a manager if I am betting to win tomorrow I don't use my best closer in the one run game today as I am saving him. Thus maybe I cost my team today's game. This is how only betting to win is not a valid excuse.

True
But he wasn’t seeking admission as a manager!
Two separate and distinct inductions. We can all say he did or didn’t and we weren’t in those discussions when MLB tried to ‘mitigate’ the situation....yes, the same MLB that prospered (knowingly) in the steroid era. He didn’t want to make the deal with the devil. The devil...in this case, the unscrupulous MLB. More deals have been done with that devil....that the devil now has carpal tunnel syndrome!*

*RIP Greg Giraldo

[jimjamuser]

I will just say that you would never see Arnold Palmer charge for an autograph. He took his time to make sure his name was legible and encouraged younger pro golfers to do the same. Charging a fan for an autograph is disgraceful.
Arnold Palmer had a tremendous reputation for character and honesty. One story I heard - a young man came to the Palmer's house because he had a date with his daughter. Mr. Palmer offered to let him use his own large Cadillac because it would be safer than the young man's small car. Palmer was a legend in western Pa.

[blueash]

Don't forget that the value of money (the dollar) has changed radically over all those years. You need to convert the older players salaries to today"s dollar value. What that will LIKELY reveal is that Mickey Mantle was probably paid as much as today's players. Note : I have NOT taken the time to make the actual calculation. I am not that interested. Someone else may be?

Mantle's highest salary, his contract in 1963 was for 100,000. That is less than one million in today's dollars. So no, before free agency the salaries are not even close. I read a book as a child about the Yankees which had a story that Mickey wanted more than 100,000 but was told that 100,000 was the salary Babe Ruth got and nobody was worth more than the Babe. (Actually Babe got 80,000 in 1930 (https://www.baseball-almanac.com/tsn/babe_ruth_salary.shtml) 80,000 in 1930 dollars translates to 142000 in 1963 dollars and 1,400,000 today.

For 1.4 million today you can pay a benchwarmer, maybe.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Mantle's highest salary, his contract in 1963 was for 100,000. That is less than one million in today's dollars. So no, before free agency the salaries are not even close. I read a book as a child about the Yankees which had a story that Mickey wanted more than 100,000 but was told that 100,000 was the salary Babe Ruth got and nobody was worth more than the Babe. (Actually Babe got 80,000 in 1930 (https://www.baseball-almanac.com/tsn/babe_ruth_salary.shtml) 80,000 in 1930 dollars translates to 142000 in 1963 dollars and 1,400,000 today.

For 1.4 million today you can pay a benchwarmer, maybe.

Just for reference...

Median price of a home in NY in 1930 was around 6K ...in 1963 was around 19K. 2024 is around 799K*

*Realtor.com

[jimjamuser]

It is easy to like a person with an attitude like Joe DiMaggio's. But pro athletes don't achieve megastar success based on their personality. They achieve it through excellence in their chosen sport. Many "superstars" were and are pretty dislikeable as human beings.

You can respect the accomplishments without respecting the person.
Some superstars are exceptions to that. For example Stephen Curry, who just exudes personality and remains very humble. Also Arnold Palmer.

[jimjamuser]

Mantle's highest salary, his contract in 1963 was for 100,000. That is less than one million in today's dollars. So no, before free agency the salaries are not even close. I read a book as a child about the Yankees which had a story that Mickey wanted more than 100,000 but was told that 100,000 was the salary Babe Ruth got and nobody was worth more than the Babe. (Actually Babe got 80,000 in 1930 (https://www.baseball-almanac.com/tsn/babe_ruth_salary.shtml) 80,000 in 1930 dollars translates to 142000 in 1963 dollars and 1,400,000 today.

For 1.4 million today you can pay a benchwarmer, maybe.
Thanks for the explanation. That puts the various players in perspective. I forgot that free agency would radically change ANY comparison between today's players and the older legends.

[badkarma318]

I’m not defending his character....the only thing he’s been sanctioned for ...was as a manager, for gambling. If you want rumors, hearsay and the unsubstantiated to be the standard, then you have a lot of evictions to effect in Cooperstown. If ‘scumbaggery’ was the standard, the place would be nearly empty!

If you think him using corked bats is "rumors, hearsay and the unsubstantiated", then you need to do some research. There were bats that he used in games, then walked off the field and handed them to friends as gifts - these were x-rayed and proven to have been corked. Numerous clubhouse employees have stated that they had personal knowledge of him using corked bats, and on and on. Father Time was coming for him, and his massive ego couldn't accept that, so he did whatever he could to try and hang on for a few more years.

[Shipping up to Boston]

If you think him using corked bats is "rumors, hearsay and the unsubstantiated", then you need to do some research. There were bats that he used in games, then walked off the field and handed them to friends as gifts - these were x-rayed and proven to have been corked. Numerous clubhouse employees have stated that they had personal knowledge of him using corked bats, and on and on. Father Time was coming for him, and his massive ego couldn't accept that, so he did whatever he could to try and hang on for a few more years.

I’ve seen the same searches as you and remember the era. I believe a good portion (liken to steroid era) were cheating. Pitchers with their ‘substances’ on their lids, HGH, steroids, pine tar and yes....corked bats. Yet the baseball writers still let select players of the aforementioned....in the Hall. So I guess it’s not so much about the player, it’s the process. It’s completely flawed

[Rainger99]

I’ve seen the same searches as you and remember the era. I believe a good portion (liken to steroid era) were cheating. Pitchers with their ‘substances’ on their lids, HGH, steroids, pine tar and yes....corked bats. Yet the baseball writers still let select players of the aforementioned....in the Hall. So I guess it’s not so much about the player, it’s the process. It’s completely flawed

It makes you appreciate professional golfers. I would say that 99% do not cheat and call penalties on themselves.

A gentleman’s sport with a code of honor.

On the other hand, 90% of weekend golfers cheat. Mulligans, improve their lie, toss the ball out of the bunker or rough, etc., etc.

[Shipping up to Boston]

It makes you appreciate professional golfers. I would say that 99% do not cheat and call penalties on themselves.

A gentleman’s sport with a code of honor.

On the other hand, 90% of weekend golfers cheat. Mulligans, improve their lie, toss the ball out of the bunker or rough, etc., etc.

I’m still, as stated, a hack. So I’ve never cheated because I’m just not that improved due to the frequency that I play the game. Translation; a stroke or two isn’t gonna change my life on the links! Now the PGA ‘fan boys’ that I play with....let’s just say some, not all are somewhat challenged on the topic!:1rotfl:

[LuckyRicky]

No no not ever

[badkarma318]

I’ve seen the same searches as you and remember the era. I believe a good portion (liken to steroid era) were cheating. Pitchers with their ‘substances’ on their lids, HGH, steroids, pine tar and yes....corked bats. Yet the baseball writers still let select players of the aforementioned....in the Hall. So I guess it’s not so much about the player, it’s the process. It’s completely flawed

True.