Southern Oaks is Closing

[indianahurricane]

Southern Oaks is closing for 3 to 4 weeks. There is too much water in the Villages. They can't dump it in the quarry anymore. That area has hit its 100 year floodplain. So the Village is now going to dump all the water on Southern Oaks

[kkingston57]

Southern Oaks is closing for 3 to 4 weeks. There is too much water in the Villages. They can't dump it in the quarry anymore. That area has hit its 100 year floodplain. So the Village is now going to dump all the water on Southern Oaks

With the amount of growth in Central Florida wonder if anyone thought about creating a large lake/reservoir in the area. Played Mallory yesterday and at highest point of the course, ground was saturated and it was clear that water had been pumped there. There is a thing about having too much water.

[Bogie Shooter]

Southern Oaks is closing for 3 to 4 weeks. There is too much water in the Villages. They can't dump it in the quarry anymore. That area has hit its 100 year floodplain. So the Village is now going to dump all the water on Southern Oaks

Information link?

[dewilson58]

Information link?

I put the "blockhead" Smiley after the OP's post and the MOD removed it.

Looking forward to the source.

:popcorn:

[Mleeja]

Here is the source Golfthevillages.com
https://www.golfthevillages.com/pdfData/sendpdf.asp?pdfid=0aa34cb9-7a81-47f4-8a15-f28e0bc0dc21
Closing tomorrow after the morning wave.

[Bogie Shooter]

I put the "blockhead" Smiley after the OP's post and the MOD removed it.

Looking forward to the source.

:popcorn:

I read on golf the villages, closing after afternoon wave Saturday.
I want to read more about 100 year plan and filling the quarry.

[tophcfa]

Southern Oaks is closing for 3 to 4 weeks. There is too much water in the Villages. They can't dump it in the quarry anymore. That area has hit its 100 year floodplain. So the Village is now going to dump all the water on Southern Oaks

Hey, the glass is half full. No blasting in the quarry for the foreseeable future.

[Topspinmo]

No blasting means aggregate shortage.:throwtomatoes:

[tophcfa]

Southern Oaks is closing for 3 to 4 weeks. There is too much water in the Villages. They can't dump it in the quarry anymore. That area has hit its 100 year floodplain. So the Village is now going to dump all the water on Southern Oaks

Was wondering when this would happen. Golf courses are used as flood plains of last resort. It’s not like there are 12 Championship courses (10 with 27 holes) in the area to spread the water around on.

[golfing eagles]

Was wondering when this would happen. Golf courses are used as flood plains of last resort. It’s not like there are 12 Championship courses (10 with 27 holes) in the area to spread the water around on.

Not like that at all since there are 14 championship courses, 10 with 27 holes

[Rainger99]

I always thought that they flooded the executives first and flooded the revenue paying courses last.

Are they going to flood Shallow Creek?

If they flood them now, where are they going to put the water if we get a hurricane?

Most of the retention ponds are high but far from full.

[Papa_lecki]

I always thought that they flooded the executives first and flooded the revenue paying courses last.

Are they going to flood Shallow Creek?

If they flood them now, where are they going to put the water if we get a hurricane?

Most of the retention ponds are high but far from full.

I think it depends where the rain is projected to go and the amount of retention pond capacity that’s left.
There just aren’t enough other courses around Southern Oaks.
Since shallow creek just opened, the grass isn’t as established, so that would be a last resort.

[crash]

I always thought that they flooded the executives first and flooded the revenue paying courses last.

Are they going to flood Shallow Creek?

If they flood them now, where are they going to put the water if we get a hurricane?

Most of the retention ponds are high but far from full.

Don’t believe they flood the course just run the sprinklers all day.

[bark4me]

Southern Oaks is closing for 3 to 4 weeks. There is too much water in the Villages. They can't dump it in the quarry anymore. That area has hit its 100 year floodplain. So the Village is now going to dump all the water on Southern Oaks
There are so many ponds that are very low. Why not dump it there?

[BrianL99]

There are so many ponds that are very low. Why not dump it there?


You mean scoop it up with backhoes and bring to the "many ponds that are very low" ?

I'm not sure that's practical.

[Bogie Shooter]

There are so many ponds that are very low. Why not dump it there?

That’s why they are low water is being removed……:confused:

[Rainger99]

That’s why they are low water is being removed……:confused:

Why close a revenue earning course if there is room in the retention ponds?

It would be nice if the district or the developer would explain.

[BrianL99]

Why close a revenue earning course if there is room in the retention ponds?

It would be nice if the district or the developer would explain.

This is not complicated.

Ponds are really water impoundment areas. They collect and hold water. A huge % of that water is directed to the ponds, via swales and piping. The water (rainfall) gets to the ponds faster than just relying on mother nature (grading). That's how the system is designed.

Water (rain or irrigation) that's dumped on reasonably flat terrain, infiltrates (is absorbed) until the ground saturates and surface water occurs. The surface water will eventually get infiltrated or flow to the water impoundment areas.

Think of it as a barn with a leaky roof. You have a bucket under the leak, to catch the water that leaks through the roof. If you hear there's a big storm coming, what do you do? The first thing you do, is empty the bucket, so it can hold more water. You dump the existing bucket of water on the round and let it be absorbed, then you put the bucket back under the leak.

That is what's going on. All the "buckets" are being dumped on the golf course, in the hopes that most of it will be absorbed by the ground before the rain hits and the buckets will be empty and ready to catch more water (rain).

[Ptmcbriz]

They are anticipating that system in the gulf at 90% chance of hurricane coming across Florida. Lots of rain.

[Miboater]

I played Longleaf yesterday and the starter told us they were closing today along with Loblolly for the upcoming storm. She didn't know why they were closing so early but guessed they were going to run the sprinklers 24-7 to lower the ponds.

She also told us that Southern Oaks was closing after the tournament this morning and thought for the same reason.

[jimdecastro]

I don't golf, but if this is true why flood one of three courses South of 44 as opposed to the North? Another example of less for more.

[Rainger99]

I don't golf, but if this is true why flood one of three courses South of 44 as opposed to the North? Another example of less for more.

Maybe they expect more rain south of 44??

[Altavia]

I don't golf, but if this is true why flood one of three courses South of 44 as opposed to the North? Another example of less for more.

The storm water management systems south of 44 and the Turnpike are not connected to the northern systems.

[Pondboy]

They are anticipating that system in the gulf at 90% chance of hurricane coming across Florida. Lots of rain.

But the system has not even formed as of this morning. On top of that, the path of the storm has not even been determined. It could hit Texas for all we know.

[Pondboy]

[QUOTE=kkingston57;2376126]With the amount of growth in Central Florida wonder if anyone thought about creating a large lake/reservoir in the area. Played Mallory yesterday and at highest point of the course, ground was saturated and it was clear that water had been pumped there. There is a thing about having too much water.[/

There’s a lot of lakes in central Florida.

[Rainger99]

Looks like we may be getting record rain next week!!


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[Pondboy]

Don’t believe they flood the course just run the sprinklers all day.

I agree, they drained the ponds a few years ago in anticipation of a big storm that we never got. Our dry period is when….Nov, Dec ?

We went into that spring with really low water levels in the ponds. Don’t think they’ll make that mistake again.

[BrianL99]

I don't golf, but if this is true why flood one of three courses South of 44 as opposed to the North? Another example of less for more.

The storm water management systems south of 44 and the Turnpike are not connected to the northern systems.

Exactly right. Every drainage system for a given development area, is self-contained. As additional development areas are added to The Villages, the drainage system expands to include the new catchment area, but there's minimal interaction between the "before" & "after".

It would be a rare circumstance to re-visit a previously designed drainage system or move additional water (drainage) back into an area that's already been designed, implemented and presumably at close to maximum capacity.

[Altavia]

But the system has not even formed as of this morning. On top of that, the path of the storm has not even been determined. It could hit Texas for all we know.

We'd probably rather have low ponds than flooded homes.

The forecast models are merging into agreement.

The rain that hit the Carolina's was forecast by the major storm models 5 days before it happened.

Mike's Weather Page does a nice job of analyzing the various storm models.



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First run of Hurricane models on tropicaltidbits.com. Not a forecast.

These are right more than wrong with intensity. Tracks are usually close.

Impacts could be significant if these verify. Not just coastal but inland towards the east coast too. Lots to watch with Invest 92.

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[tophcfa]

But the system has not even formed as of this morning. On top of that, the path of the storm has not even been determined. It could hit Texas for all we know.

Better to be preemptive. Waiting until the storms path is more certain very well might be too late. What is a shame is that there aren’t enough courses in that particular area to spread the water around without flooding a single course.

[jimjamuser]

I don't golf, but if this is true why flood one of three courses South of 44 as opposed to the North? Another example of less for more.
I would guess that south of 44 is lower than north of 44. Maybe someone else has a better answer?

[Colts Fan]

I always thought that they flooded the executives first and flooded the revenue paying courses last.

Are they going to flood Shallow Creek?

If they flood them now, where are they going to put the water if we get a hurricane?

Most of the retention ponds are high but far from full.

Hurricane Irma in 2017 flooded all the courses in The Villages. They remained closed for several weeks. As I recall, there were some drone videos posted on TOTV. Don’t know if those videos can still be found in the archives.

[Bilyclub]

I don't golf, but if this is true why flood one of three courses South of 44 as opposed to the North? Another example of less for more.

Palmetto and Mangrove just opened up this week and have been closed since the first storm. Same with Osprey.

[terryf484]

Southern Oaks is closing for 3 to 4 weeks. There is too much water in the Villages. They can't dump it in the quarry anymore. That area has hit its 100 year floodplain. So the Village is now going to dump all the water on Southern Oaks

Played in the Wildwood Police tournament yesterday, and that is not what I was told at the Pro shop. Closing for anticipated hurricane, maybe a little over a week. "We'll see" said the Zen Master!!

[crash]

But the system has not even formed as of this morning. On top of that, the path of the storm has not even been determined. It could hit Texas for all we know.

After it starts raining it is too late to start lowering the ponds. What do you think once the pond has overflowed they should start sprinklers.

[MSchad]

There is too much water in the Villages. They can't dump it in the quarry anymore. That area has hit its 100 year floodplain. So the Village is now going to dump all the water on Southern Oaks
Being sarcastic or just don’t understand the water management system here?

[jimkerr]

Southern Oaks is closing for 3 to 4 weeks. There is too much water in the Villages. They can't dump it in the quarry anymore. That area has hit its 100 year floodplain. So the Village is now going to dump all the water on Southern Oaks

Incorrect.

[indianahurricane]

Incorrect.

Its true

[indianahurricane]

Being sarcastic or just don’t understand the water management system here?

Where the Villages send there water to is full, they cant take anymore cause they have hit the 100 year floodplain. So the GC will be closed 3 to 4 weeks, its the only place big enough that can handle a lot of water

[Bogie Shooter]

Where the Villages send there water to is full, they cant take anymore cause they have hit the 100 year floodplain. So the GC will be closed 3 to 4 weeks, its the only place big enough that can handle a lot of water

I will ask again where is this quarry you reference?

[justjim]

I will ask again where is this quarry you reference?

Bogie, Shelton too is asking if that was sarcasm…one thing for sure, Milton is not Helene.

[Nana2Teddy]

Southern Oaks is closing for 3 to 4 weeks. There is too much water in the Villages. They can't dump it in the quarry anymore. That area has hit its 100 year floodplain. So the Village is now going to dump all the water on Southern Oaks
I wonder what happens now after Milton dropped a whole lot more rain in TV? We already had too much water, and I’m guessing the quarry is even fuller now, and Southern Oaks is likely over saturated. So now what?

Also, has the boardwalk at LSL been underwater in the past after hurricanes? Just curious how long it could take to go down? I’m thinking many weeks.

[indianahurricane]

I wonder what happens now after Milton dropped a whole lot more rain in TV? We already had too much water, and I’m guessing the quarry is even fuller now, and Southern Oaks is likely over saturated. So now what?

Also, has the boardwalk at LSL been underwater in the past after hurricanes? Just curious how long it could take to go down? I’m thinking many weeks.


I've been coming down for 8 years, my inlaws have lived here by LSL for 15 years. They say the lake has never gotten this high. They were gonna tear down the docks around the lake and rebuild them in 2026. I'm wondering if this is going to escalate them to do it sooner.

[MSchad]

Dumping water in the quarry? Never heard that one before.