Climate change

[metalic]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

[Pugchief]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

Okay, I'll bite.

So there was a hurricane, in hurricane plagued Florida, during hurricane season. This has been happening for centuries. What does climate change have to do with it?

[Dusty_Star]

Hurricanes are not new.

Here is a story from almost 500 years ago. Hurricanes have been around much longer than 1528, but it becomes more difficult to find written history about them.

1528: Spanish explorer Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca was part of an expedition that was caught in a hurricane while attempting to sail across the Gulf of Mexico to New Spain. Three of the boats were lost, and the other two washed up on Galveston Island, Texas.

Sounds like a pretty powerful storm to me. These of course being very seaworthy boats that had already crossed the Atlantic.

[BrianL99]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

Yeah, Global Warming was just sooooo passé and debunked ... let's dream up a new "cause célèbre".

The scientific/historic evidence for so-called global warming and climate change to be an issue is so ludicrous, it's laughable.

[Topspinmo]

Yeah, Global Warming was just sooooo passé and debunked ... let's dream up a new "cause célèbre".

The scientific/historic evidence for so-called global warming and climate change to be an issue is so ludicrous, it's laughable.

How this.

The earth warming, been warming for last 10,000 years. The earth was lot warmer in pass. All things we done so far has little or no impact. ( sure some environmental waste clean up has improved that area, but has no impact overall). What might impact the destruction of earth remove about 7. 5 billion humans. But, nobody wants to volunteer or change their greedy habit’s and stop breading like rats. You can bet taxing us and not rest of world not going to do anything except may few greedy humans richer.

[Stu from NYC]

Maybe it was time to give it a rest for awhile

[Byte1]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

"Deniers?" I believe in climate change. I just don't believe in man being able to manipulate the climate. If so, then why doesn't someone control the hurricanes and keep them out to sea or confine them to desert regions? Does that make me a "denier?" On the other hand, man(and women) do lend a hand in air pollution.

[dewilson58]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

& why do you need??

[biker1]

Yes, we are in an inter-glacial period. We will continue to experience some natural warming. However, the anthropogenic component is about 1C for the global mean surface temperature anomaly. Many people fail to understand the time scale implications of what is going on. We are not dealing with Milankovitch cycle time scales ( 20K, 40K, and 100K year time scales), we are dealing with a 200 year time scale. We know this to a high certainty because the theory matches the observed data: lower tropospheric warming and stratospheric cooling. By the end of the century, this number might be 2-3C; that will have a profound impact. What can we do about it ? Pretty much nothing, at least for the US. Our contribution to global CO2 increases is about 15%. China and India are the long poles in the tent. Remediation of our coastal areas is where we should be spending money.

How this.

The earth warming, been warming for last 10,000 years. The earth was lot warmer in pass. All things we done so far has little or no impact. ( sure some environmental waste clean up has improved that area, but has no impact overall). What might impact the destruction of earth remove about 7. 5 billion humans. But, nobody wants to volunteer or change their greedy habit’s and stop breading like rats. You can bet taxing us and not rest of world not going to do anything except may few greedy humans richer.

[phylt]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

Must be boring by your place. Just gotta stir that pot??? "Usual Band"... so demeaning.
As mentioned here, weather has changed dramatically for millennia. OK gotta go now and enjoy the nice weather outside... it just changed today.

[dewilson58]

Must be boring by your place. Just gotta stir that pot??? "Usual Band"... so demeaning.
As mentioned here, weather has changed dramatically for millennia. OK gotta go now and enjoy the nice weather outside... it just changed today.

:BigApplause:

[Velvet]

Must be boring by your place. Just gotta stir that pot??? "Usual Band"... so demeaning.
As mentioned here, weather has changed dramatically for millennia. OK gotta go now and enjoy the nice weather outside... it just changed today.

Lol. Yep. I don’t bite on this red herring.

[Caymus]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

Isn't that what made dinosaurs extinct?

[JMintzer]

& why do you need??

Some people just like to stir the pot (the OP, not you...)

[MorTech]

Man does not change climate...Climate changes man.
I know the usual band of Dunning-Kruger TeeVee-watching death cultists will disagree.

[CODYCAT]

We’ve never had hurricanes before? Anyway we don’t have to worry about it anymore, Al Gore said the world came to an end 2014?

[Harold.wiser]

The climate has been changing on this planet for the last 4.3 billion years, give or take a few million, and it will continue to change for the next 4.3 billion years.
Taking away my gas stove and putting me on a horse and buggy won't change the weather.

[Rwirish]

Nothing has changed, look at history.

[retiredguy123]

The climate has been changing on this planet for the last 4.3 billion years, give or take a few million, and it will continue to change for the next 4.3 billion years.
Taking away my gas stove and putting me on a horse and buggy won't change the weather.
Correct, and human beings will probably become extinct way before that, just like other species have.

[Ignatz]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?
The high winds didn’t blow away the pot stirrers…

[villager7591]

NOAA statistics show hurricanes are LESS frequent over the last 25 years than they were for the prior 100 years. Also, NOAA statistics show hurricanes are NOT more severe over the last 25 years than they were over the prior 1000 years. NOAA debunked global warming as a cause of more frequent and more severe hurricanes.

[ithos]

Isn't it interesting that all of the solutions to the problems the fear mongers keep warning us about always involves more spending and restrictions impacting our cherished freedom and way of life?

[sowilts]

How this.

The earth warming, been warming for last 10,000 years. The earth was lot warmer in pass. All things we done so far has little or no impact. ( sure some environmental waste clean up has improved that area, but has no impact overall). What might impact the destruction of earth remove about 7. 5 billion humans. But, nobody wants to volunteer or change their greedy habit’s and stop breading like rats. You can bet taxing us and not rest of world not going to do anything except may few greedy humans richer.
China doesn’t have enough people for the workforce.

[opinionist]

The imposition of carbon taxes is the purported "solution" to climate change. Carbon taxes are a scam, and they will fix nothing. Geoengineering (high-altitude aerosol spraying) can trigger extreme weather events, and those who claim to care about the environment remain mute. Anyone can look up in the sky and see the chemtrails, so it's no big secret.

[Cuervo]

Do I believe in climate change yes, do I believe the earth goes through cycles yes, but I also believe that man has put his finger on the scale. But what worries me more than climate change is the drive of humans to pollute wherever they set their foot. We find a pristine piece of earth and we developed it until it's undesirable and then we move on to another area and do the same thing all over again. Humans and I include myself would rather move than manage what has been handed them. One day we are going to wake up and find we have made the earth uninhabitable by polluting the soil, air and water. At my age I won't be around to see it, but I'm sure when that time comes, we will find a way to inhabit other planets and pollute them also.

[lawgolfer]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?
What's changed?

[swilkinson]

There is a difference between believing in climate change and understanding if the climate is changing as part of a natural planetary cycle or is it due to human intervention. 11,000 years ago was the end of the last ice age. It eneded because the planet temperature rose and the sea level rose 400 feet. My question to all the climate change jockies is this: how many people were driving cars and heating there homes with fossil fuel 11,000 years ago??? Your problem with credibility is that you can't prove if this is a natural planetary cycle or human intervention, can you! On top of that, you people who want to kill the US fossil fuel industry don't understand that if the US stopped burning fossil fuel, there would be no improvement becasue china is building dozens of coal plants and they, and the reswt of the world, are 95% of the alleged problem. Further more, it takes fossil fuel to dig up the lithium for electric vehicle batteries, and if that is not enough for you to smarten up, where do you think the electricity comes from to power electric vehicles? Just use common sense. Maybe you should focus on US clean water and clean air.

[eyc234]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?


:bigbow::bigbow:

[Federspiel]

Global weather changers predict CO2 will increase. Correct, and plants & trees will thrive. But oceans will rise. Correct, and the Netherlands will be under water. Oh wait, the country is below sea level. How will they ever survive! I thought we weren't supposed to be political?

[MX rider]

Like many, I'm not a denier. There's no doubt the climate is changing. Anyone that doesn't see that is a true denier and intentionally blind to it.

The debate becomes, is it natural or man made? Imo, the jury is still out on that.
As some have stated here, the climate has always been changing and will continue to do so.

Scientific evidence goes both ways on this. I believe it's mostly natural, but we play some role in it as well. I don't think it's settled science.

[srswans]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

The debate has shifted from “climate change” to “climate crisis” i.e., is the changing climate gonna cause a crisis?

[Taltarzac725]

That Hurricane Milton sure was caused by Haitians peeing into the ocean. No. Probably by all the factory smoke from places all over the world the last 400 years or so making the air more polluted and the seas warmer .

[Bealman]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

So, climate starts with a c. Change starts with a c. If you you combine the two words you get climate change that both start with a c.......cackle, chackle, cackle. Joy, joy, joy....

[phylt]

Oh... I so miss the days of GLOBAL WARMING. Then when THAT was challenged, "they" changed the moniker to CLIMATE CHANGE. No it's CLIMATE CRISIS.

I loved when our Governor, during a Press Conference a couple days ago answered a question re... Climate Change, with specific HISTORIC FACTS AND DATA (off the top of his head) debunking the "ever-worsening" hurricanes...

IMO We are so fortunate to have him leading Florida.

[Steve]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

Haven't heard much from the climate change promoters this week. What's your point?

[Steve]

That Hurricane Milton sure was caused by Haitians peeing into the ocean. No. Probably by all the factory smoke from places all over the world the last 400 years or so making the air more polluted and the seas warmer .

The only problem with that logic is if the air is more polluted less sunlight, hence less heat, would get through the atmosphere. So the seas wouldn't be warmer. They'd be cooler. Must be that our atmosphere is too clean!

[Indydealmaker]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

Except we have heard experts debunking climate change as a cause of hurricanes.

[Stu from NYC]

Isn't it interesting that all of the solutions to the problems the fear mongers keep warning us about always involves more spending and restrictions impacting our cherished freedom and way of life?

Very true

[lpkruege1]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

Funny, we used to call it the 4 seasons. It got hot in the summer and cold in the winter. If I remember correctly, there have been tornados, hurricanes, blizzards, droughts, and Flash floods since the beginning of man.

If there were really climate change, the polar ice caps were all going to melt, and the sea levels are going to rise, then why are the banks loaning money to buy ocean front property? Why do all the climate change panderers have ocean front property?

Thank God there is climate change, or we would have a good size portion of our country covered in glaciers. Do you even know what percentage of our atmosphere is green house gas? 0.04% at 0.02 life on earth ceases to exist. Plants need C02 to produce oxygen. At 0.02% they can no longer produce oxygen. Stop tearing up farmers fields to put in solar farms. They are killing us all.

[Byte1]

I’d be a whole lot more worried about our esteemed overseers purposely manipulating the weather, these enhanced storm. If anyone cares to open your eyes, there is plenty of readily available information that these storms are generated/enhanced/steered to where the overlords want them to go. In essence, we are being played into thinking this is all natural. It most definitely is not.
So we are being fed all this “climate change” crap, when it’s the bad guys manufacturing it for their own evil reasons, and telling us it’s “climate change”.
A simple google search will tell you volumns.

Satire, right?
Please expound on how the "esteemed overseers purposely manipulate the weather." And you might want to remember that Google does not guarantee that the information you get from it is fact. I would hazard a guess that info from Google is probably 50% plus, erroneous.

[Byte1]

Follow the money. That will explain everything. And yes, we can easily control these weather events. Google is your friend.

Please explain how "we can easily control these weather events."
As for Google, everyone knows that more than half of the info garnered from Google is erroneous or misinformation. Google does not promise truth and does not fact check the information before you receive it.

[Byte1]

On the other hand, mankind IS really powerful. Man must have created "TIME" because man created clocks and the result was that we have TIME. We didn't have changing climate until mankind created "climate change" right? Therefore, mankind invented (caused) climate change. There, pretty simple. Now, pay me lots of money and I will go on tour with my scientific conclusion and everyone will be happy because by paying me, they will be acknowledging that man is evil and that we can stop all these climate crises.

[Wondering]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?
I wonder why! LOL!!!

[Lottoguy]

You picked a terrible example for your response. Why not mention the polar ice caps melting, grass growing in the artic, 90's in Alaska, the Venice flooding, the highest summer temps in history in 2024, record drought in Africa, small snow caps in the Andes. Just a few verifiable examples.

[Marmaduke]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?
Oh my my! We're not brainwashed. We understand geology, the environment and our natural earth.
Ẁe love the earth and enjoy Mother Nature. She's one magnificent lady!!! Take a BIG GULP of fresh Air! Repeat. It's great for all systems of our human body, especially our brains!

[robsherry]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

It's not worth responding to.

[fdpaq0580]

The climate has been changing on this planet for the last 4.3 billion years, give or take a few million, and it will continue to change for the next 4.3 billion years.
Taking away my gas stove and putting me on a horse and buggy won't change the weather.

Get rid of your gas stove and get on a horse and buggy. Let's find out for sure. That's the only way to prove what you say.

[montysl]

Very few scientists will argue that there are changes in our climate. MANY, however, will dispute the causes. As another posted, our climate changes on a cyclical basis and has since the Earth was formed. One needs only to look at the preboreal and boreal stages of the Holocene epoch to find VERY similar climate change (and just as rapid) as we are experiencing a small part of now. I guess a variation of “those that forget/dismiss/change history are doomed to repeat it” applies here. If we don’t consider ALL the facts, and just react when some claim the sky is falling, we’ll believe it’s falling too!

[Keithtama]

You’re captured by the narrative. The truly remarkable scientists in the climate world have been marginalized and censored. The climate is evolving always. Man and CO2 are not major contributors.

[fdpaq0580]

Nothing has changed, look at history.

"NOTHING HAS CHANGED"? How may continents are there? Where are the dinosaurs? YES! Look at history! EVERYTHING has changed!

[jimjamuser]

Okay, I'll bite.

So there was a hurricane, in hurricane plagued Florida, during hurricane season. This has been happening for centuries. What does climate change have to do with it?
Climate Change IS Global Warming and there are RECORDED temperatures to PROVE IT. Alaska and Russia in the Arctic zone have temperatures 4 times the average normal temperatures - recorded temperatures to prove Global Warming. Also the tundra in those areas is unfrozen and that worries Scientists. The whole earth is warmer and even Antarctica is melting.
......Closer to home - The Gulf of Mexico is now at a record 86 degrees in spots. That has provided the engine that has powered the latest hurricanes Francine and Milton. One reason to CARE is that Francine killed over 220 people and counting and Milton is 17 deaths and counting.
.......With the Gulf at record temperatures, it is possible to have a 3rd killer Hurricane this year in Florida. And what about next summer? The increased population of the Earth will mean more methane and CO2 produced by industry, coal burning, automobiles, and gas golf carts. Which means more reflected HEAT NEXT YEAR.
.........There is one positive government action going on. We don't need coal and natural gas to generate our electricity - we are the sunshine state. In California during the day 100% of that states electricity comes from natural sources, wind and solar. At night some energy comes from storage batteries. Overall, California has produced a 30% increase in natural energy in the last year. And note to Florida as the Sunshine state we could do better. wonder what holds us back?

[jimjamuser]

Yeah, Global Warming was just sooooo passé and debunked ... let's dream up a new "cause célèbre".

The scientific/historic evidence for so-called global warming and climate change to be an issue is so ludicrous, it's laughable.
Really as I understand it, 80% of US citizens believe Global Warming is real. Don't forget that the younger people are aware of it more that the older people because they have a whole long lifetime to have to fight against Global Warming. Global warming can be proved by world temperature increases that are recorded by scientists. It has gone up rapidly in the last 5 years. It is proven by measurements of the rise of the world's oceans. Over 50% of land and water animals and plants are endangered. It is a MAIN PROBLEM discussed at the United Nations meetings. Killer Hurricanes are forming up quicker than 5 years ago. People in Florida are becoming more aware and leaving quicker. I wonder how that will affect tourist money coming to Florida each summer in the future?

[justjim]

About Climate Change: That great philosopher Andy Rooney is quoted “People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe”. And so it is with climate change.

[Red Rose]

Mother Nature will always be in charge and the weather can’t be controlled. The Earth is in constant change. The one thing we can control is making sure individually that we don’t pollute our little corners of the world. Discard trash in the bins and set it out for trash day. If you fish, don’t throw your used up fishing lines into the water, don’t throw trash overboard if you are out there boating and be alert so you don’t kill Manatees or other sea creatures. Don’t throw trash out of your car windows.

[jimjamuser]

Man does not change climate...Climate changes man.
I know the usual band of Dunning-Kruger TeeVee-watching death cultists will disagree.
"Man does not change climate" That was true up until about 20 or 30 years ago and each year it becomes LESS TRUE. Look at a graph of population increase and about 1950 it starts SHOOTING UP to 8 billion people. Most scientists believe in MAN-MADE Global Warming. All those scientists are NOT going to be wrong.

[biker1]

See post #9. The timescale of the anthropogenic warming is 200 years. Don’t confuse the science with politics. Those who actually look at the numbers will tell you that we have little ability to reduce CO2 emissions until probably the latter half of the century. The world derives about 80% of its energy from hydrocarbons. It will take some time to bend that curve down. Meanwhile, we will continue to warm and there will be consequences but nothing that we can’t adapt to. Regarding hurricanes and anthropogenic warming, there is no real evidence of any impact on hurricanes from anthropogenic warming. However, climate modeling suggests that in the future we may see less hurricanes but the ones we do see may be stronger. Our reliable record of hurricanes is only about 60 years old.


There is a difference between believing in climate change and understanding if the climate is changing as part of a natural planetary cycle or is it due to human intervention. 11,000 years ago was the end of the last ice age. It eneded because the planet temperature rose and the sea level rose 400 feet. My question to all the climate change jockies is this: how many people were driving cars and heating there homes with fossil fuel 11,000 years ago??? Your problem with credibility is that you can't prove if this is a natural planetary cycle or human intervention, can you! On top of that, you people who want to kill the US fossil fuel industry don't understand that if the US stopped burning fossil fuel, there would be no improvement becasue china is building dozens of coal plants and they, and the reswt of the world, are 95% of the alleged problem. Further more, it takes fossil fuel to dig up the lithium for electric vehicle batteries, and if that is not enough for you to smarten up, where do you think the electricity comes from to power electric vehicles? Just use common sense. Maybe you should focus on US clean water and clean air.

[jimjamuser]

Nothing has changed, look at history.
What has changed.....let me count the ways. Broward County is building sea walls because they KNOW that the oceans are rising. The coral reefs are dying which will affect the Florida sport fishing industry------negatively. If we lived in Alaska we would be seeing greater changes in the environment than here. Hurricane Milton spawned many more tornadoes than anyone expected. The graph of world population is recently going straight up; that is a change that will affect everything.

[kenoc7]

Yeah, Global Warming was just sooooo passé and debunked ... let's dream up a new "cause célèbre".

The scientific/historic evidence for so-called global warming and climate change to be an issue is so ludicrous, it's laughable.

Please join this century; you are clearly stuck in the last century. Global warming is real - consider sea water temperatures in the Gulf that caused the previously unknown intensification of Milton.

[jimjamuser]

Because they are ringing bells to deflect the frequency/energy of HAARP-1billon watts/geoenginering. Frequencies can be used for good-tuning fork or bad-rap music, wireless headphones, microwave ovens, etc.Thank God for Nikola Tesla,Dr Raymond Rife (and more) for giving us healing frequencies. The #1 reason the man behind the curtain can continue to destroy the planet is most people can not believe they are so soulless/heartless. Research patient# US20100072297A1.This is good start to understand what is happening. BTW-oil is not a fossil fuel. It is as aboudant as water on this planet.Remember who OPEC is and what they stand for.
"oil is as abundant as water" ......Well the Earth has been called a "WATER planet". So now we should call the Earth an OIL PLANET ????

[jimjamuser]

There is a difference between believing in climate change and understanding if the climate is changing as part of a natural planetary cycle or is it due to human intervention. 11,000 years ago was the end of the last ice age. It eneded because the planet temperature rose and the sea level rose 400 feet. My question to all the climate change jockies is this: how many people were driving cars and heating there homes with fossil fuel 11,000 years ago??? Your problem with credibility is that you can't prove if this is a natural planetary cycle or human intervention, can you! On top of that, you people who want to kill the US fossil fuel industry don't understand that if the US stopped burning fossil fuel, there would be no improvement becasue china is building dozens of coal plants and they, and the reswt of the world, are 95% of the alleged problem. Further more, it takes fossil fuel to dig up the lithium for electric vehicle batteries, and if that is not enough for you to smarten up, where do you think the electricity comes from to power electric vehicles? Just use common sense. Maybe you should focus on US clean water and clean air.
If a person wants "clean air" they should advocate for Electrical vehicles because electrical power CAN come from clean sources and NOT COAL AND NATURAL GAS. California gets 70% of their electrical power from solar and wind. They are moving toward 100%. Florida is the "Sunshine State" so they could move away from their present use of natural gas.

[JustSomeGuy]

Yes, the climate is changing. One would think those who fear man's impact on the speed of this change would encourage the USA to become a dominate supplier and processor of fossil fuels BECAUSE we do it cleaner and with much more focus on environmental impact than those counties who bring their dirtier processed fuels into our country after shipping them half way across the world.

Is the climate better off with oil sourced and refined in the USA or with the same product processed in South America, Mid-East or Asian state owed companies that have doubled their production since 1990?

80 Percent of Global CO2 Emissions Come From Just 57 Companies, Report Shows | Smithsonian (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/since-2016-80-percent-of-global-co2-emissions-come-from-just-57-companies-report-shows-180984118/)

[SoCalGal]

Man-made climate change. What a money grab.

[jimjamuser]

That Hurricane Milton sure was caused by Haitians peeing into the ocean. No. Probably by all the factory smoke from places all over the world the last 400 years or so making the air more polluted and the seas warmer .
3 pages in and this is the closest post to normal science so far.

[jimjamuser]

3 pages in and this is the closest post to normal science so far.

[jimjamuser]

Oh... I so miss the days of GLOBAL WARMING. Then when THAT was challenged, "they" changed the moniker to CLIMATE CHANGE. No it's CLIMATE CRISIS.

I loved when our Governor, during a Press Conference a couple days ago answered a question re... Climate Change, with specific HISTORIC FACTS AND DATA (off the top of his head) debunking the "ever-worsening" hurricanes...

IMO We are so fortunate to have him leading Florida.
I wonder how to "DEBUNK" the fact that the Gulf water is at 86 degrees in some areas.

[jimjamuser]

The only problem with that logic is if the air is more polluted less sunlight, hence less heat, would get through the atmosphere. So the seas wouldn't be warmer. They'd be cooler. Must be that our atmosphere is too clean!
The pollution rises to the upper atmosphere causing a layer to form that reflects (refracts is more accurate) solar heat waves back to the earth. To check on this read about the tundra melting in Alaska and Russia.

[bopat]

Interesting the most alarmed are also the ones who own beach property:
- John Kerry spent $11.75 million in 2017 for a sprawling estate on the beach in Martha’s Vineyard. The property includes more than 18 acres of land on which his seven-bedroom home sits, overlooking the Vineyard Sound
- Former Vice President Al Gore and his wife, Tipper, have added a house in secluded Montecito to their real estate holdings. The couple spent $8,875,000 on a gated ocean-view villa on 1 1/2 acres with a swimming pool, spa and fountains, according to real estate sources familiar with the deal.
- Michelle and the former president, Barack Obama, purchased an ocean-front compound in Martha's Vineyard in 2020 for $11.75 million – and have since enjoyed the property and its proximity to the iconic Massachusetts coastline.
- In the summer of 2017, the Bidens bought a house on the Delaware Shore for $2.7 million. Overlooking Cape Henlopen State Park and just a couple blocks from the beach, the three-story home has six bedrooms, expansive porches, views of the Atlantic Ocean, and a backyard built for entertaining, with an outdoor kitchen, BBQ, and fireplace.

- Not long after his failed 2008 presidential bid, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee bought a beachfront plot in the Florida Panhandle and built a three-story, 10,000-square-foot mansion, with six bedrooms, seven-and-a-half bathrooms, and a pool.
- In 1985, Donald Trump, primarily a businessman and real estate investor at the time, acquired Mar-a-Lago and used it as a residence. In 1994 he converted it into the Mar-a-Lago Club, a members-only club with guest rooms, a spa, and other hotel-style amenities.

I always wanted to get into planting trees for carbon credits, especially here in The Villages. If we all got together we could probably earn some carbon credits we could sell!

But those in the know know - climate change is yesterday's news.
The next crisis is a big shortage of fresh water. Several states have limits on collecting your own rainwater:

- Colorado: The only state where rainwater harvesting is illegal, except for two rain barrels with a capacity of up to 110 gallons
- Utah: You can collect up to 2,500 gallons of rainwater from your property, but you need a permit to set up a rainwater harvesting system
- Kansas and North Dakota: May require a permit to harvest rainwater
- California: The Rainwater Capture Act of 2012 allows homeowners, property owners, government agencies, and business owners to harvest rainwater as long as it’s for approved purposes.
- Georgia: Rainwater is tightly regulated by the Department of Natural Resources and must only be applied for outdoor use.

Arizona, Utah, Colorado and California are fighting over fresh water from the Colorado River. What's weird is California has an almost unlimited source of fresh water to the west of it, just needs filtering and treatment. Other countries do it. But apparently California, with all their high tech gadgets and brainpower, can't figure it out.

[jimjamuser]

Funny, we used to call it the 4 seasons. It got hot in the summer and cold in the winter. If I remember correctly, there have been tornados, hurricanes, blizzards, droughts, and Flash floods since the beginning of man.

If there were really climate change, the polar ice caps were all going to melt, and the sea levels are going to rise, then why are the banks loaning money to buy ocean front property? Why do all the climate change panderers have ocean front property?

Thank God there is climate change, or we would have a good size portion of our country covered in glaciers. Do you even know what percentage of our atmosphere is green house gas? 0.04% at 0.02 life on earth ceases to exist. Plants need C02 to produce oxygen. At 0.02% they can no longer produce oxygen. Stop tearing up farmers fields to put in solar farms. They are killing us all.
The Amazon Rain Forest normally produces a lot of oxygen for the world. The problem is that for greed people are cutting down the trees to produce farm land. That's happening in the US also. Forests also absorb pollution and produce oxygen. While providing people with recreational areas. There may be too many passengers on the spaceship Earth.

[biker1]

Why do you keep saying these things? There is no reflection or refraction. That is factually incorrect as I have pointed out to you in the past. There is absorption and reemission. There is also no accumulation in the upper atmosphere and CO2 is hardly a pollutant. As I have pointed out to you in the past, this has been researched and published. CO2 is a well mixed gas below about 12 kms.

The pollution rises to the upper atmosphere causing a layer to form that reflects (refracts is more accurate) solar heat waves back to the earth. To check on this read about the tundra melting in Alaska and Russia.

[biker1]

CA gets about 27% of its power from solar and wind, not 70%. You can look this stuff up.



If a person wants "clean air" they should advocate for Electrical vehicles because electrical power CAN come from clean sources and NOT COAL AND NATURAL GAS. California gets 70% of their electrical power from solar and wind. They are moving toward 100%. Florida is the "Sunshine State" so they could move away from their present use of natural gas.

[jimjamuser]

On the other hand, mankind IS really powerful. Man must have created "TIME" because man created clocks and the result was that we have TIME. We didn't have changing climate until mankind created "climate change" right? Therefore, mankind invented (caused) climate change. There, pretty simple. Now, pay me lots of money and I will go on tour with my scientific conclusion and everyone will be happy because by paying me, they will be acknowledging that man is evil and that we can stop all these climate crises.
I don't think that we (the retiring generation) can stop Climate Change, but people age 15 and the generation after them had better come up with better solutions than we have. They have to stop the Earth from becoming UNLIVABLE. And wars and disease have been known to lower the population.

[jimjamuser]

You picked a terrible example for your response. Why not mention the polar ice caps melting, grass growing in the artic, 90's in Alaska, the Venice flooding, the highest summer temps in history in 2024, record drought in Africa, small snow caps in the Andes. Just a few verifiable examples.
After 50 responses, finally one that brings together science and examples. Good job!

[jimjamuser]

Get rid of your gas stove and get on a horse and buggy. Let's find out for sure. That's the only way to prove what you say.
By the year 2090 (after the wars and diseases) people may be devoluted back to using wood stoves and horses to pull a plow.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The climate changes, it's been changing since the moment the planet existed, and will continue to change until it dies. Humans have contributed to the speed of the change - from hollowing out millions of miles of the subsurface in the form of drilling and mining, to overdevelopment and destruction of forests and natural water resources, creating hydroelectric dams that change where the water goes and how it goes there, etc. etc. etc.

I think it's actually amusing in a pretty sad sort of way, that the people who insist "the gubbamint" is cloud-seeding and manipulating the weather, are the same people who vehemently deny that people contribute to our ever-changing climate.

[Pachine58]

"Deniers?" I believe in climate change. I just don't believe in man being able to manipulate the climate. If so, then why doesn't someone control the hurricanes and keep them out to sea or confine them to desert regions? Does that make me a "denier?" On the other hand, man(and women) do lend a hand in air pollution.


You need to learn the science behind how they use weather manipulation to create rain in Dubia . Weather manipulation has been around for years.

[jimjamuser]

Very few scientists will argue that there are changes in our climate. MANY, however, will dispute the causes. As another posted, our climate changes on a cyclical basis and has since the Earth was formed. One needs only to look at the preboreal and boreal stages of the Holocene epoch to find VERY similar climate change (and just as rapid) as we are experiencing a small part of now. I guess a variation of “those that forget/dismiss/change history are doomed to repeat it” applies here. If we don’t consider ALL the facts, and just react when some claim the sky is falling, we’ll believe it’s falling too!
Recorded temperatures only go back to 1850. And only in the last 5 years has record temperatures been reached. And that is confirmed by ocean rise increasing in the last 5 years. Coral reefs are dying. And 70% of all plant and animal species are in danger. Never before in Earth's history has there been 8 billion people on the planet until NOW. And studying the polar areas reveals recent changes. All these changes can NOT be ignored.

[jimjamuser]

See post #9. The timescale of the anthropogenic warming is 200 years. Don’t confuse the science with politics. Those who actually look at the numbers will tell you that we have little ability to reduce CO2 emissions until probably the latter half of the century. The world derives about 80% of its energy from hydrocarbons. It will take some time to bend that curve down. Meanwhile, we will continue to warm and there will be consequences but nothing that we can’t adapt to. Regarding hurricanes and anthropogenic warming, there is no real evidence of any impact on hurricanes from anthropogenic warming. However, climate modeling suggests that in the future we may see less hurricanes but the ones we do see may be stronger. Our reliable record of hurricanes is only about 60 years old.
At the RATE we are warming, I doubt that we will be able to adapt to it. Maybe a huge nuclear war to reduce the world population to 4 billion would do it. But even then the Earth would be SLOW to repair itself.

[jimjamuser]

Please join this century; you are clearly stuck in the last century. Global warming is real - consider sea water temperatures in the Gulf that caused the previously unknown intensification of Milton.
True, good post.

[jimjamuser]

Yes, the climate is changing. One would think those who fear man's impact on the speed of this change would encourage the USA to become a dominate supplier and processor of fossil fuels BECAUSE we do it cleaner and with much more focus on environmental impact than those counties who bring their dirtier processed fuels into our country after shipping them half way across the world.

Is the climate better off with oil sourced and refined in the USA or with the same product processed in South America, Mid-East or Asian state owed companies that have doubled their production since 1990?

80 Percent of Global CO2 Emissions Come From Just 57 Companies, Report Shows | Smithsonian (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/since-2016-80-percent-of-global-co2-emissions-come-from-just-57-companies-report-shows-180984118/)
A good article.

[biker1]

I really don’t understand why anyone would state that they doubt mankind will adapt, particularly when no data is presented to support such as opinion. This runs contrary to the history of mankind.

At the RATE we are warming, I doubt that we will be able to adapt to it. Maybe a huge nuclear war to reduce the world population to 4 billion would do it. But even then the Earth would be SLOW to repair itself.

[jimjamuser]

Why do you keep saying these things? There is no reflection or refraction. That is factually incorrect as I have pointed out to you in the past. There is absorption and reemission. There is also no accumulation in the upper atmosphere and CO2 is hardly a pollutant. As I have pointed out to you in the past, this has been researched and published. CO2 is a well mixed gas below about 12 kms.
Because it is true. It is called the GREENHOUSE EFFECT. It is very simple to Google.

[jimjamuser]

I really don’t understand why anyone would state that they doubt mankind will adapt, particularly when no data is presented to support such as opinion. This runs contrary to the history of mankind.
Well none other that Winston Churchill said that America ALWAYS does the RIGHT thing after all other possibilities have been tried. i am only, basically agreeing with him. Some people actually most people) believe that Global Warming is NOT a big problem. That's what they tell interviewers that have recently asked them. They say inflation, the economy, taxes, insurance costs and the price of gas are the BIG problems.. Global Warming usually does NOT make the top ten. You have to see past your nose and read a lot to understand that Global Warming is the "BIG DADDY problem" in the room, we call Earth. Inflation, taxes, the economy and insurance can ALL be FIXED in the short term even reversed) and are NOT life or death. Global Warming IS life and death and some people believe that it is past being reversed or fixed. I tend to think that it can be reversed, but not easily and not quickly.
.....And I can have an opinion without quoting some source. Opinions are defined that way. My lifetime IS my source.

[fdpaq0580]

I really don’t understand why anyone would state that they doubt mankind will adapt, particularly when no data is presented to support such as opinion. This runs contrary to the history of mankind.

Right! We will adapt! 1/2 of the remaining humans will live above ground. The other 1/2 , below. The surface dwellers will be reduced to surviving on the few plants and fruits they can find. The ground dwellers will survive by eating the surface people. There is a book that tells all about it. 😯

[biker1]

We have experienced some anthropogenic warming and will experience some additional. Suggesting, as you often do, that it is essentially the end of the world is nonsense. Also, suggesting that people should “save the planet” by buying an electric scooter or golf cart, as you often do, is also nonsense. All of the autos in the US only contributes about 2-3% of the global CO2 emissions each year. Your rhetoric is just as bad as those who think there is no anthropogenic warming.


Well none other that Winston Churchill said that America ALWAYS does the RIGHT thing after all other possibilities have been tried. i am only, basically agreeing with him. Some people actually most people) believe that Global Warming is NOT a big problem. That's what they tell interviewers that have recently asked them. They say inflation, the economy, taxes, insurance costs and the price of gas are the BIG problems.. Global Warming usually does NOT make the top ten. You have to see past your nose and read a lot to understand that Global Warming is the "BIG DADDY problem" in the room, we call Earth. Inflation, taxes, the economy and insurance can ALL be FIXED in the short term even reversed) and are NOT life or death. Global Warming IS life and death and some people believe that it is past being reversed or fixed. I tend to think that it can be reversed, but not easily and not quickly.
.....And I can have an opinion without quoting some source. Opinions are defined that way. My lifetime IS my source.

[DARFAP]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?
Climate change is BS. Find something more worthwhile to post.

[biker1]

Reread my post. What you stated is factually incorrect. This cannot be disputed.

Because it is true. It is called the GREENHOUSE EFFECT. It is very simple to Google.

[biker1]

I think I would prefer to be a Morlock than an Eloi.


Right! We will adapt! 1/2 of the remaining humans will live above ground. The other 1/2 , below. The surface dwellers will be reduced to surviving on the few plants and fruits they can find. The ground dwellers will survive by eating the surface people. There is a book that tells all about it. 😯

[BrianL99]

Climate change is a hoax.

Always has been.


https://x.com/i/status/1844820519561912741

[biker1]

Believe what you want, nobody cares and no decision makers will listen to you.


Climate change is a hoax.

Always has been.


https://x.com/i/status/1844820519561912741

[BrianL99]

Climate change is a hoax.

Always has been.


https://x.com/i/status/1844820519561912741

Believe what you want, nobody cares and no decision makers will listen to you.


"Global Warming" was a hoax and it's been debunked.

Replacing it with "Climate Change" was clever, but that too will be debunked, as soon as the liberal media finds another cause célèbre they think has traction.

People once believed the earth was flat and was the center of the universe. Believing in climate change is the current day equivalent.

[BBBnWitty]

"Deniers?" I believe in climate change. I just don't believe in man being able to manipulate the climate. If so, then why doesn't someone control the hurricanes and keep them out to sea or confine them to desert regions? Does that make me a "denier?" On the other hand, man(and women) do lend a hand in air pollution.

I don't disagree with anything you say here. We have brilliant scientists in this world, and I do believe that they will come up with a way to slow Mother Nature down. But like all of us, this world will eventually die too.

[HORNET]

When asked by Congress, how much has the World gone up in temperature, the experts claimed that the ( over the past ten years) answer in that it is so small that it can’t be measured!

[Birdrm]

I do believe the climate is changing and yes it is slightly warmer and the oceans are inches higher. I do believe we the people have a small impact and I have no problem looking at ways to reduce our overall footprint. What does not help is having governments and people telling us if we don't make immediate changes the world will end in 10 years! This is just not true as in 10 years we might be 1/2 degree warmer and maybe another inch higher in the oceans and that will have no real impact to us!

[Stu from NYC]

We have experienced some anthropogenic warming and will experience some additional. Suggesting, as you often do, that it is essentially the end of the world is nonsense. Also, suggesting that people should “save the planet” by buying an electric scooter or golf cart, as you often do, is also nonsense. All of the autos in the US only contributes about 2-3% of the global CO2 emissions each year. Your rhetoric is just as bad as those who think there is no anthropogenic warming.

Not likely he will let facts get in the way of his opinion

[biker1]

The very essence of hubris. Again, believe what you want as nobody who matters cares about your opinion.


"Global Warming" was a hoax and it's been debunked.

Replacing it with "Climate Change" was clever, but that to will be debunked, as soon as the liberal media finds another cause célèbre they think has traction.

People once believed the earth was flat and was the center of the universe. Believing in climate change is the current day equivalent.

[biker1]

Yes, the world will not end in 10 years. However, if we wind up with 2-3C anthropogenic warming (for the global mean surface temperature anomaly), from the current 1C anthropogenic warming, by the end of the century then we are looking at significant impacts to some coastal regions, greater variability in high and low temperatures, greater variability in precipitation, and possible geopolitical unrest. The post pessimistic numbers (from the 8.5 scenario), that unfortunately the media and some politicians have latched on to, is 5-8C. That would be very bad. Sea levels are rising at about 0.13 inches per year but accelerating. While a couple of degrees C might not sound like much we know from proxy data that those numbers will result in some profound changes around the world. We, the US, should plan on remediation efforts, such as water management and increased electrical power generation, since significant global cuts to CO2 emissions may be impossible before the end of the century. However, some estimates have us actually leveling off the CO2 content of the atmosphere by the middle of the century. Claiming we are all going to die is as nonsensical as claiming there is a hoax in light of the data that is available.

I do believe the climate is changing and yes it is slightly warmer and the oceans are inches higher. I do believe we the people have a small impact and I have no problem looking at ways to reduce our overall footprint. What does not help is having governments and people telling us if we don't make immediate changes the world will end in 10 years! This is just not true as in 10 years we might be 1/2 degree warmer and maybe another inch higher in the oceans and that will have no real impact to us!

[jimjamuser]

Right! We will adapt! 1/2 of the remaining humans will live above ground. The other 1/2 , below. The surface dwellers will be reduced to surviving on the few plants and fruits they can find. The ground dwellers will survive by eating the surface people. There is a book that tells all about it. 😯
That would be a good book to read with Halloween approaching.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Are we ready to close this JJA vanity thread project yet?

[jimjamuser]

We have experienced some anthropogenic warming and will experience some additional. Suggesting, as you often do, that it is essentially the end of the world is nonsense. Also, suggesting that people should “save the planet” by buying an electric scooter or golf cart, as you often do, is also nonsense. All of the autos in the US only contributes about 2-3% of the global CO2 emissions each year. Your rhetoric is just as bad as those who think there is no anthropogenic warming.
From the Google machine - Fossil fuels are by far the largest contributor to Global climate change. They make up 90% of all CO2 emissions. Cars and vans account for 10% of Global CO2 emissions. Also, golf carts contribute much more than cars because they do NOT have catalytic converters. There are also 2 stroke lawn tools that emit lots of CO2.

[jimjamuser]

I do believe the climate is changing and yes it is slightly warmer and the oceans are inches higher. I do believe we the people have a small impact and I have no problem looking at ways to reduce our overall footprint. What does not help is having governments and people telling us if we don't make immediate changes the world will end in 10 years! This is just not true as in 10 years we might be 1/2 degree warmer and maybe another inch higher in the oceans and that will have no real impact to us!
Broward County is building a wall right now to keep the new, higher level of the ocean out. That is a "real impact on us". The coral reefs dying have an impact on us today. The polar regions are changed radically today. The HOT gulf made 2 hurricanes stronger and they left more damage and DEATH. Their deaths have an impact on society.

[jimjamuser]

Yes, the world will not end in 10 years. However, if we wind up with 2-3C anthropogenic warming (for the global mean surface temperature anomaly), from the current 1C anthropogenic warming, by the end of the century then we are looking at significant impacts to some coastal regions, greater variability in high and low temperatures, greater variability in precipitation, and possible geopolitical unrest. The post pessimistic numbers (from the 8.5 scenario), that unfortunately the media and some politicians have latched on to, is 5-8C. That would be very bad. Sea levels are rising at about 0.13 inches per year but accelerating. While a couple of degrees C might not sound like much we know from proxy data that those numbers will result in some profound changes around the world. We, the US, should plan on remediation efforts, such as water management and increased electrical power generation, since significant global cuts to CO2 emissions may be impossible before the end of the century. However, some estimates have us actually leveling off the CO2 content of the atmosphere by the middle of the century. Claiming we are all going to die is as nonsensical as claiming there is a hoax in light of the data that is available.
We already have geopolitical unrest at our southern border and it will increase in the winter. Europe has the same problem - unwanted migration from the South. At the present INCREASING RATE of Global Warming and population, the world will likely have major wars in the next 10 to twenty years. The coasts of Florida and other places could be underwater. It is the INCREASING rate of ocean rise that is the problem.

[biker1]

Political unrest at our southern border has nothing to do with climate change and everything to do with people wanting the better life offered by the US.


We already have geopolitical unrest at our southern border and it will increase in the winter. Europe has the same problem - unwanted migration from the South. At the present INCREASING RATE of Global Warming and population, the world will likely have major wars in the next 10 to twenty years. The coasts of Florida and other places could be underwater. It is the INCREASING rate of ocean rise that is the problem.

[biker1]

I’m not sure how many golf carts there are in the US since I don’t believe the number is tracked. However, there are almost 300 million cars. I suspect the golf cart number is 2 or 3 orders of magnitude less and the vast majority of golf carts are electric. I’m calling BS on you, again.


From the Google machine - Fossil fuels are by far the largest contributor to Global climate change. They make up 90% of all CO2 emissions. Cars and vans account for 10% of Global CO2 emissions. Also, golf carts contribute much more than cars because they do NOT have catalytic converters. There are also 2 stroke lawn tools that emit lots of CO2.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I don't disagree with anything you say here. We have brilliant scientists in this world, and I do believe that they will come up with a way to slow Mother Nature down. But like all of us, this world will eventually die too.

They /did/ come up with ways, but most of the world wasn't interested in implementing them. Some parts of the planet tried, but without a global consensus and effort, there won't be much of a slow-down. Preserving our rainforests was already nay-said, in favor of agribusiness, ranching, and infrastructure development. So now there are global water cycle issues IN PART because of the stripping of our natural resources.

We're systematically destroying the surface of our home. It's sort of like - you don't like the paint so instead of repainting, you strip the paint off. Then you decide there's a smudge of dirt on the stripped-down drywall and instead of using a little buff and shine, you saturate it with chemical cleaner, resulting in a clean - but crumbling wall. Then you patch the wall with bubblegum, which attracts bugs that you've never had before. So you use pesticides, which drains into your well, making you have to buy bottled water.

And so on, and so forth, until your house no longer exists and you're surrounded by empty plastic bottles. But hey - you got rid of that horrible color on the wall right?

[Mrmean58]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

Oh climate change is real. Some days are warmer, some are cooler. Some are wet, some are dry. It's always changing.

[Taltarzac725]

Oh climate change is real. Some days are warmer, some are cooler. Some are wet, some are dry. It's always changing.

Something you might find in The Bible .


That great book does not contain all the chemicals pushed into the air during the Industrial Revolution nor atomic bombs, space travel, nor even the right position of the earth to the sun.

[Andyb]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?
Would hate to disappoint you, but there is no climate change. Late 1800’s had more and more powerful hurricanes. Plus, we are cooling faster than heating up. Odd, Florida still not underwater as predicted many times over many years.
Have a great day!

[jimmy o]

Climate Change IS Global Warming and there are RECORDED temperatures to PROVE IT. Alaska and Russia in the Arctic zone have temperatures 4 times the average normal temperatures - recorded temperatures to prove Global Warming. Also the tundra in those areas is unfrozen and that worries Scientists. The whole earth is warmer and even Antarctica is melting.
......Closer to home - The Gulf of Mexico is now at a record 86 degrees in spots. That has provided the engine that has powered the latest hurricanes Francine and Milton. One reason to CARE is that Francine killed over 220 people and counting and Milton is 17 deaths and counting.
.......With the Gulf at record temperatures, it is possible to have a 3rd killer Hurricane this year in Florida. And what about next summer? The increased population of the Earth will mean more methane and CO2 produced by industry, coal burning, automobiles, and gas golf carts. Which means more reflected HEAT NEXT YEAR.
.........There is one positive government action going on. We don't need coal and natural gas to generate our electricity - we are the sunshine state. In California during the day 100% of that states electricity comes from natural sources, wind and solar. At night some energy comes from storage batteries. Overall, California has produced a 30% increase in natural energy in the last year. And note to Florida as the Sunshine state we could do better. wonder what holds us back?
Yikes, please check your facts. California is the largest importer of electricity in the U S. Besides that nearly 50% of California’s in state generation comes from natural gas.

[rsmurano]

Now I know who is on the world’s famous climatologist (AL Gore of course) email list! Or did it come from the other climatologist Greta Thunberg? With all these experts, we are in good hands

[oneclickplus]

Hurricanes are not new.

Here is a story from almost 500 years ago. Hurricanes have been around much longer than 1528, but it becomes more difficult to find written history about them.

1528: Spanish explorer Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca was part of an expedition that was caught in a hurricane while attempting to sail across the Gulf of Mexico to New Spain. Three of the boats were lost, and the other two washed up on Galveston Island, Texas.

Sounds like a pretty powerful storm to me. These of course being very seaworthy boats that had already crossed the Atlantic.

I concur. The only difference now is that the hurricanes affect highly populated areas and the damage is great. This large amount of damage is used by climate nuts to postulate that the storms are getting worse. In reality, it's the same storms with more "stuff" in its path.

[BTburton]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

It’s called Mother Nature. Certainly hope you’re not donating and filling the pockets of jet setting fakers like Gore and Kerry who claim they can “fix her”. It will never happen.

[oneclickplus]

Isn't that what made dinosaurs extinct?

God controls the climate. At times He changes it to bless or curse. The climate scientists (and the dinosaur scientists, and the evolution scientists, and the big bang scientists) have it all wrong. The earth is not millions or billions of years old. The dinosaurs lived in the last 6000 years or so.

Is Genesis History_ - Watch the Full Film.mp4 - pCloud (https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=XZpHqr0ZSGq7QJHdS0XYFC40GP8GgYnN390X)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIWhyEIxmc

[Sparky1959]

Okay, I'll bite.

So there was a hurricane, in hurricane plagued Florida, during hurricane season. This has been happening for centuries. What does climate change have to do with it?
I agree, nothing new. Climate change is just another money grab of $93 trillion….

[bsouthworth47@yahoo.com]

[Ya let's follow California with all the brown outs they have. Anyone who wants to follow California should move to California!!

[Steve]

Do I believe in climate change yes, do I believe the earth goes through cycles yes, but I also believe that man has put his finger on the scale. But what worries me more than climate change is the drive of humans to pollute wherever they set their foot. We find a pristine piece of earth and we developed it until it's undesirable and then we move on to another area and do the same thing all over again. Humans and I include myself would rather move than manage what has been handed them. One day we are going to wake up and find we have made the earth uninhabitable by polluting the soil, air and water. At my age I won't be around to see it, but I'm sure when that time comes, we will find a way to inhabit other planets and pollute them also.

All I got out of this is...you include yourself as human!

[Steve]

You picked a terrible example for your response. Why not mention the polar ice caps melting, grass growing in the artic, 90's in Alaska, the Venice flooding, the highest summer temps in history in 2024, record drought in Africa, small snow caps in the Andes. Just a few verifiable examples.

And at one time Cuba connected the Florida Peninsula and the Yucatan Peninsula. Why didn't somebody put a stop to that continental drift when they could? It MUST have been caused by some unnatural interference by whatever was the dominant species at the time!

[Margefrog]

Lol

[Topspinmo]

China doesn’t have enough people for the workforce.

It’s not work force it’s the environment they are creating with that work force.

[Topspinmo]

And at one time Cuba connected the Florida Peninsula and the Yucatan Peninsula. Why didn't somebody put a stop to that continental drift when they could? It MUST have been caused by some unnatural interference by whatever was the dominant species at the time!

They hadn’t connected the collation between climate and taxes. That taxing solves all problems.

[Topspinmo]

God controls the climate. At times He changes it to bless or curse. The climate scientists (and the dinosaur scientists, and the evolution scientists, and the big bang scientists) have it all wrong. The earth is not millions or billions of years old. The dinosaurs lived in the last 6000 years or so.

Is Genesis History_ - Watch the Full Film.mp4 - pCloud (https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=XZpHqr0ZSGq7QJHdS0XYFC40GP8GgYnN390X)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqIWhyEIxmc

O boy!

[Margefrog]

Gore, et al, never said they could fix it, their work showed industries and our behavior were accelerating the changes faster than we could adapt. Not unlike pointing outcthe needs for changes made in industries that cause cancer, black lung, unhealthy for children, etc. Why would anyone mock individuals who spend their lives trying to help all of us?

[Margefrog]

Global warming was renamed to Climate Change to assist understanding from people who saw snow so didn't believe. Also, it was a correction. Tho the planet is warming, overall the climate is changing. There was a time when earth was covered in ice. What's next? It certainly would help if we could slow the process instead of speeding it to give us time to adapt.

[jarodrig]

Satire, right?
Please expound on how the "esteemed overseers purposely manipulate the weather." And you might want to remember that Google does not guarantee that the information you get from it is fact. I would hazard a guess that info from Google is probably 50% plus, erroneous.

Don’t worry about it ! We will be invaded and destroyed by aliens before seeing any significant impact of the change in weather ! 😂😂😂

[fdpaq0580]

Are we ready to close this JJA vanity thread project yet?

NO! Such fun! 😃

[fdpaq0580]

Politics, and the ever present incessant clImate change posts, over and over again.

He never stops...

But if I dare make a joke, it's a month's vacation...

I see you here pretty often, too. How ya doing? Well, I hope.

[Byte1]

I don't think that we (the retiring generation) can stop Climate Change, but people age 15 and the generation after them had better come up with better solutions than we have. They have to stop the Earth from becoming UNLIVABLE. And wars and disease have been known to lower the population.

Hmmm, maybe those "people age 15" are bored with the Chicken Little story and don't care any more than I do. Getting ready to install a wood stove in my home up North. I have plenty of trees (many fallen too) and that is my contribution to saving energy.

[jimjamuser]

Yes, the world will not end in 10 years. However, if we wind up with 2-3C anthropogenic warming (for the global mean surface temperature anomaly), from the current 1C anthropogenic warming, by the end of the century then we are looking at significant impacts to some coastal regions, greater variability in high and low temperatures, greater variability in precipitation, and possible geopolitical unrest. The post pessimistic numbers (from the 8.5 scenario), that unfortunately the media and some politicians have latched on to, is 5-8C. That would be very bad. Sea levels are rising at about 0.13 inches per year but accelerating. While a couple of degrees C might not sound like much we know from proxy data that those numbers will result in some profound changes around the world. We, the US, should plan on remediation efforts, such as water management and increased electrical power generation, since significant global cuts to CO2 emissions may be impossible before the end of the century. However, some estimates have us actually leveling off the CO2 content of the atmosphere by the middle of the century. Claiming we are all going to die is as nonsensical as claiming there is a hoax in light of the data that is available.
WE have not (yet) died because of Global Warming, but 220 some did DIE with Hurricane Francine and about 20 DIED in Florida due to Hurricane Milton. Many of those died because the 2 hurricanes started rapidly and gained near record strength rapidly in the record warm waters of the Gulf. I like to point out the problem is that the US and the world has to get serious about stopping Global Warming - and the US especially is NOT making it a priority. It is hard to fix a problem when too few people are admitting a problem exists.
.........What do people think will happen NEXT summer? Likely the Gulf and Ocean waters will be at a NEW record higher, so the Hurricanes will be stronger. The Villagers will STILL mostly be driving gasoline CO2 and methane belching golf carts. Their HIRED polluting lawn cutters will be speeding around in gas trucks and they will be mowing the lawns with CO2 and methane belching GAS lawn mowers. Nothing here will change. And 80% of TV Landers will NEVER make the connection between their lawn mowing ARMY and the more intense KILLER Hurricanes each year.

[Byte1]

You need to learn the science behind how they use weather manipulation to create rain in Dubia . Weather manipulation has been around for years.

Anything like the saying" don't pee on my shoes and tell me it's raining?"
My sprinklers activate on Thursdays. Does that mean that I am manipulating the weather?

[jimjamuser]

Political unrest at our southern border has nothing to do with climate change and everything to do with people wanting the better life offered by the US.
I fail to see where illegal aliens could be a GOOD THING. Plus the more people in the 1st world countries like the US the more pollution caused and the quicker Global Warming will send the KILLER Hurricanes at us. 3rd world countries produce little pollution, but they get all the same world problems that 1st world countries create. Peru is unlikely to start a nuclear war.
..........We are a big cause of increased hurricanes due to Climate Change.

[jimjamuser]

Political unrest at our southern border has nothing to do with climate change and everything to do with people wanting the better life offered by the US.
Many people would disagree.

[Jhrath7@gmail.com]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

Have you heard of cloud seeding? Have you seen the hundreds of contrails in the sky? Did you notice the bad weather hits mostly conservative states? Just asking

[CybrSage]

Haven't heard much from the usual band of climate change deniers this week?

No one is denying their is climate change, no need to lie.
People are rightfully denying that humans are the cause.

[biker1]

I will repeat myself. There is essentially nothing we can do in the US. The US only generates about 15% of the world's CO2. If we stopped emitting all CO2 tomorrow, which we can't, it would not make a significant difference. All the autos in the US only contribute about 2-3% of the world's global CO2 emissions each year. If all US gas autos disappeared tomorrow, it would not make a significant difference. What we do in The Villages doesn't matter. It is a drop in the bucket. Whether we cut our grass or drive around in gas golf carts doesn't matter. Also, those "gas trucks" you don't like are responsible for delivering essentially every item you consume. Also, you apparently drive a gas car. Why is it that you don't drive an EV and have PV panels on your house? Do you buy any consumer items made in China? If so, they came here on diesel powered container ships. Please tell us how you have stopped buying all items that travel on container ships. 80% of the world's energy use is hydrocarbon based - "big" doesn't come close to describing how much energy is consumed each year. This cannot be changed quickly and the US is not the long pole in the tent.

WE have not (yet) died because of Global Warming, but 220 some did DIE with Hurricane Francine and about 20 DIED in Florida due to Hurricane Milton. Many of those died because the 2 hurricanes started rapidly and gained near record strength rapidly in the record warm waters of the Gulf. I like to point out the problem is that the US and the world has to get serious about stopping Global Warming - and the US especially is NOT making it a priority. It is hard to fix a problem when too few people are admitting a problem exists.
.........What do people think will happen NEXT summer? Likely the Gulf and Ocean waters will be at a NEW record higher, so the Hurricanes will be stronger. The Villagers will STILL mostly be driving gasoline CO2 and methane belching golf carts. Their HIRED polluting lawn cutters will be speeding around in gas trucks and they will be mowing the lawns with CO2 and methane belching GAS lawn mowers. Nothing here will change. And 80% of TV Landers will NEVER make the connection between their lawn mowing ARMY and the more intense KILLER Hurricanes each year.

[The_Oracle]

From the Google machine - Fossil fuels are by far the largest contributor to Global climate change. They make up 90% of all CO2 emissions. Cars and vans account for 10% of Global CO2 emissions. Also, golf carts contribute much more than cars because they do NOT have catalytic converters. There are also 2 stroke lawn tools that emit lots of CO2.

CO2 is plant food.

If you want to end man made global "warming",

All you have to do is ban Oxygen.

[CybrSage]

I wonder why! LOL!!!

Mostly die to no reason. Denying humans are the primary cause of global warming is only needed when those science deniers stat cackling.

Until then, the natural cycles will continue as they have for hundreds of thousands of years.

[biker1]

Many people believe the earth is flat and it will end in 10 years.

Many people would disagree.

[CybrSage]

Have you heard of cloud seeding? Have you seen the hundreds of contrails in the sky? Did you notice the bad weather hits mostly conservative states? Just asking

They are clouds. The water vapor surrounds sulfur particles from the exhaust, which makes it freeze I to a cloud.
Basic condensation.

[CybrSage]

Many people believe the earth is flat and it will end in 10 years.

Yep, and many say all the glaciers will be gone by 2015 and get a Nobel Prize for it

[justjim]

My high school debate teacher would give you one warning about presenting misinformation and one warning about your rude rhetoric and the second time you would be dismissed from the team. Maybe I need to say no more. Wait, the times they have obviously changed.

[jimjamuser]

I’m not sure how many golf carts there are in the US since I don’t believe the number is tracked. However, there are almost 300 million cars. I suspect the golf cart number is 2 or 3 orders of magnitude less and the vast majority of golf carts are electric. I’m calling BS on you, again.
It is no BS that Golf Carts have no catalytic converters so they spew out massive quantities of pollution. You can smell them as they pass by. They are part of the Climate Change problem. Nobody can say what % of Global Warming is caused by gas golf carts. But, the principle of the situation is that HERE in TV Land the preponderance of speeding golf gas carts belching pollution is SYMBOLIC, due to the huge influence that The Villages exerts in Florida. If WE the people of The Villages started all converting to Electric golf carts, it would make national news and bring HUGE awareness to our Climate Change problem. Someone has to make the 1st step toward a LIVABLE planet. But, it could be too late.

[jimjamuser]

They /did/ come up with ways, but most of the world wasn't interested in implementing them. Some parts of the planet tried, but without a global consensus and effort, there won't be much of a slow-down. Preserving our rainforests was already nay-said, in favor of agribusiness, ranching, and infrastructure development. So now there are global water cycle issues IN PART because of the stripping of our natural resources.

We're systematically destroying the surface of our home. It's sort of like - you don't like the paint so instead of repainting, you strip the paint off. Then you decide there's a smudge of dirt on the stripped-down drywall and instead of using a little buff and shine, you saturate it with chemical cleaner, resulting in a clean - but crumbling wall. Then you patch the wall with bubblegum, which attracts bugs that you've never had before. So you use pesticides, which drains into your well, making you have to buy bottled water.

And so on, and so forth, until your house no longer exists and you're surrounded by empty plastic bottles. But hey - you got rid of that horrible color on the wall right?
I couldn't agree more. The #1 problem for me in the US and the World is Global Warming.

[jimjamuser]

Would hate to disappoint you, but there is no climate change. Late 1800’s had more and more powerful hurricanes. Plus, we are cooling faster than heating up. Odd, Florida still not underwater as predicted many times over many years.
Have a great day!
Some parts of Sarasota are underwater. And the barrier islands had worse flooding.

[biker1]

Nonsense. I know you don't have a golf cart but please tell us which brand of EV you drive.

It is no BS that Golf Carts have no catalytic converters so they spew out massive quantities of pollution. You can smell them as they pass by. They are part of the Climate Change problem. Nobody can say what % of Global Warming is caused by gas golf carts. But, the principle of the situation is that HERE in TV Land the preponderance of speeding golf gas carts belching pollution is SYMBOLIC, due to the huge influence that The Villages exerts in Florida. If WE the people of The Villages started all converting to Electric golf carts, it would make national news and bring HUGE awareness to our Climate Change problem. Someone has to make the 1st step toward a LIVABLE planet. But, it could be too late.

[jimjamuser]

Yikes, please check your facts. California is the largest importer of electricity in the U S. Besides that nearly 50% of California’s in state generation comes from natural gas.
I will check for those facts because I was going by one article. However, it is obvious that California is TRYING to be a leader in environmental protection and in resisting Climate Change. One fact is that after a certain year ALL NEW cars in California must be Electric. That is serious LEADERSHIP!!!!!!

[Two Bills]

I will check for those facts because I was going by one article. However, it is obvious that California is TRYING to be a leader in environmental protection and in resisting Climate Change. One fact is that after a certain year ALL NEW cars in California must be Electric. That is serious LEADERSHIP!!!!!!

Sounds more like serious DICTATORSHIP to me. :shrug:

[jimjamuser]

Now I know who is on the world’s famous climatologist (AL Gore of course) email list! Or did it come from the other climatologist Greta Thunberg? With all these experts, we are in good hands
Personally, I would be happy if 90% of the world were made up of Al Gores and Greta Thunbergs. The US and Russia would not be enemies. China would be peaceful. India would not be starving. All the counties would be sharing the world's wealth. The word WAR would be only seen in History books. The air would be clean and fossil fuel cars would be in museums. And Climate Change would NOT exist.

[lawgolfer]

We’ve never had hurricanes before? Anyway we don’t have to worry about it anymore, Al Gore said the world came to an end 2014?
Is there a polar bear left alive? Didn't Al preach that they would all be dead by now?

[jimjamuser]

I agree, nothing new. Climate change is just another money grab of $93 trillion….
I have trouble understanding the NEGATIVITY associated with Climate Change, which almost all Scientists believe. I would think that the Village of grandparents here would like to leave a functional and beautiful planet to their grand kids.

[jimjamuser]

I’ll leave this out there. https://youtu.be/rZXLlc5dllM?si=MXJbXhMHxMiIIsCs
It shows that some small sliver of very intelligent people are aware of and trying to FIGHT Climate Change. Too back that 90% of all people are NOT that aware.

[jimjamuser]

And at one time Cuba connected the Florida Peninsula and the Yucatan Peninsula. Why didn't somebody put a stop to that continental drift when they could? It MUST have been caused by some unnatural interference by whatever was the dominant species at the time!
Going back in geological time is a way to DISTRACT people from the fact that Earth temperatures and ocean rise have happened recently in the last 5 years. And the graph of Earth human population has risen rapidly since 1950. Maybe people don't want to accept Climate Change because then they do NOT have to accept responsibility or GUILT.

[jimjamuser]

Gore, et al, never said they could fix it, their work showed industries and our behavior were accelerating the changes faster than we could adapt. Not unlike pointing outcthe needs for changes made in industries that cause cancer, black lung, unhealthy for children, etc. Why would anyone mock individuals who spend their lives trying to help all of us?
I agree. Why? Do they have some vested interest in disbelieving Climate Change. Maybe they have all their money in OIL stocks?

[jimjamuser]

Don’t worry about it ! We will be invaded and destroyed by aliens before seeing any significant impact of the change in weather ! 😂😂😂
We already can see that the Gulf is at record temperatures. No one can fake temperature numbers.

[jimjamuser]

NO! Such fun! 😃
I have never and WILL never ask for a thread to be closed. Climate Change affected us all during Milton. It is as topical as it could possibly get !

[jimjamuser]

I will repeat myself. There is essentially nothing we can do in the US. The US only generates about 15% of the world's CO2. If we stopped emitting all CO2 tomorrow, which we can't, it would not make a significant difference. All the autos in the US only contribute about 2-3% of the world's global CO2 emissions each year. If all US gas autos disappeared tomorrow, it would not make a significant difference. What we do in The Villages doesn't matter. It is a drop in the bucket. Whether we cut our grass or drive around in gas golf carts doesn't matter. Also, those "gas trucks" you don't like are responsible for delivering essentially every item you consume. Also, you apparently drive a gas car. Why is it that you don't drive an EV and have PV panels on your house? Do you buy any consumer items made in China? If so, they came here on diesel powered container ships. Please tell us how you have stopped buying all items that travel on container ships. 80% of the world's energy use is hydrocarbon based - "big" doesn't come close to describing how much energy is consumed each year. This cannot be changed quickly and the US is not the long pole in the tent.
The US is the most SIGNIFICANT country in the world. We have a reputation for freedom. We are the greatest LEADER. We can influence the world toward fighting Global Warming or influence it by saying we are fine with pollution. We choose to have electric lawn mowers or noisy polluting lawn mowers in The Villages. Society is made up of individuals. Individuals each have some influence. Global Warming is the sum total of individual decisions.

[lkagele]

That Hurricane Milton sure was caused by Haitians peeing into the ocean. No. Probably by all the factory smoke from places all over the world the last 400 years or so making the air more polluted and the seas warmer .

Typo? Not sure there were factories around in the year 1624.

[sianagers@att.net]

Okay, I'll bite.

So there was a hurricane, in hurricane plagued Florida, during hurricane season. This has been happening for centuries. What does climate change have to do with it?

Love your pug caption!
Pug momma here

[fdpaq0580]

O boy!

Well said!

[jimjamuser]

CO2 is plant food.

If you want to end man made global "warming",

All you have to do is ban Oxygen.
CO2 is GOOD up until the point that too much becomes BAD. If you look at a graph of Earth's temperatures, you see the Earth getting HOTTER in the last 5 or so years. It is excess CO2 that is the problem. If a person keeps putting salt on their food eventually it would taste terrible. Too much of a good thing can BECOME bad.

[fdpaq0580]

Oh climate change is real. Some days are warmer, some are cooler. Some are wet, some are dry. It's always changing.

That's weather.

[Pugchief]

Now I know who is on the world’s famous climatologist (AL Gore of course) email list! Or did it come from the other climatologist Greta Thunberg? With all these experts, we are in good hands

Greta Thunberg has already moved on from Climate Change, onto her next crisis du jour. She is now a shill for the pro-Palestine crowd. That should tell you all you need to know about Greta, and anything she has said.

[Pugchief]

WE have not (yet) died because of Global Warming, but 220 some did DIE with Hurricane Francine and about 20 DIED in Florida due to Hurricane Milton. Many of those died because the 2 hurricanes started rapidly and gained near record strength rapidly in the record warm waters of the Gulf.

You must have missed post #2 where I pointed out that hurricanes in Florida during hurricane season are to be expected.

[Pugchief]

I will check for those facts because I was going by one article. However, it is obvious that California is TRYING to be a leader in environmental protection and in resisting Climate Change. One fact is that after a certain year ALL NEW cars in California must be Electric. That is serious LEADERSHIP!!!!!!

Based on multiple statements, it seems like you think CA has great policy and FL has poor policy. So I'm not sure why you live here instead of there.

[Pugchief]

Personally, I would be happy if 90% of the world were made up of Al Gores and Greta Thunbergs. The US and Russia would not be enemies. China would be peaceful. India would not be starving. All the counties would be sharing the world's wealth. The word WAR would be only seen in History books. The air would be clean and fossil fuel cars would be in museums. And Climate Change would NOT exist.

Excellent analysis based on pure fantasy and zero facts. As my algebra teacher sued to say, "Please show your math." Otherwise, your conclusion is baseless.

[Pugchief]

Love your pug caption!
Pug momma here

Thanks. TV needs more pugs and more hugs.

[biker1]

Nonsense. Countries do what is in their own best interests. Period.

The US is the most SIGNIFICANT country in the world. We have a reputation for freedom. We are the greatest LEADER. We can influence the world toward fighting Global Warming or influence it by saying we are fine with pollution. We choose to have electric lawn mowers or noisy polluting lawn mowers in The Villages. Society is made up of individuals. Individuals each have some influence. Global Warming is the sum total of individual decisions.

[fdpaq0580]

don't care

That's just really sad.
With understanding comes caring. So, one assumes you don't really know or understand, for whatever reason (faith, political, financial, etc).
😟

[jimjamuser]

Sounds more like serious DICTATORSHIP to me. :shrug:
California legislating change TOWARD Electric non-polluting vehicles is no more a Dictatorship than back when the US government required NEW automobiles to have seat belts. It is the same PRINCIPLE ......government supporting change in the RIGHT direction. There is a good chance that 10 years from now that 50% of all new car, truck, and golf cart sales in the US are ELECTRIC vehicles.

[fdpaq0580]

Many people would disagree.

All things are connected. I'm with you.

[jimjamuser]

Is there a polar bear left alive? Didn't Al preach that they would all be dead by now?
What the continued demonization of Al Gore proves to me is the power of the lobbyists for BIG OIL and the US automobile manufacturers. It also makes me hope that young people are educated enough to worry about how Climate Change will adversely affect their lives.

[fdpaq0580]

Have you heard of cloud seeding? Have you seen the hundreds of contrails in the sky? Did you notice the bad weather hits mostly conservative states? Just asking

Yes.
Yes.
Didn’t really notice, but I'll take your word for it.
So, are you inferring that non-conservatives are smarter than conservatives, because that's what it sounds like? Personally, I don't think anyone has that level of control over the weather .... yet. 🧙*♂️

[Pugchief]

What the continued demonization of Al Gore proves to me is the power of the lobbyists for BIG OIL and the US automobile manufacturers. It also makes me hope that young people are educated enough to worry about how Climate Change will adversely affect their lives.

Al Gore is doing a good job of making failed predictions without any help from Big Oil. His buddy John Kerry has to be the biggest hypocrite of our time, flying around in a private jet while railing on the masses to make sacrifices. Once you open your eyes, you can't unsee it.

[jimjamuser]

Greta Thunberg has already moved on from Climate Change, onto her next crisis du jour. She is now a shill for the pro-Palestine crowd. That should tell you all you need to know about Greta, and anything she has said.
Greta Thunberg in her 1st 16 years has influenced more people than most will their entire lifetime, myself included. As more people start to believe that Climate Change is real, her fame will increase. She was a LEADING force.

[Topspinmo]

WE have not (yet) died because of Global Warming, but 220 some did DIE with Hurricane Francine and about 20 DIED in Florida due to Hurricane Milton. Many of those died because the 2 hurricanes started rapidly and gained near record strength rapidly in the record warm waters of the Gulf. I like to point out the problem is that the US and the world has to get serious about stopping Global Warming - and the US especially is NOT making it a priority. It is hard to fix a problem when too few people are admitting a problem exists.
.........What do people think will happen NEXT summer? Likely the Gulf and Ocean waters will be at a NEW record higher, so the Hurricanes will be stronger. The Villagers will STILL mostly be driving gasoline CO2 and methane belching golf carts. Their HIRED polluting lawn cutters will be speeding around in gas trucks and they will be mowing the lawns with CO2 and methane belching GAS lawn mowers. Nothing here will change. And 80% of TV Landers will NEVER make the connection between their lawn mowing ARMY and the more intense KILLER Hurricanes each year.

We set standard in environmental protection, we set standard giving aid to world, we set standards taxing. We set standard of creating problems when have no control over. When rest do world catches up with us on environmental issues and meet our standard then we can discuss climate. Until then we are wasting money.

[Topspinmo]

Greta Thunberg in her 1st 16 years has influenced more people than most will their entire lifetime, myself included. As more people start to believe that Climate Change is real, her fame will increase. She was a LEADING force.

Just proves there lot of gullible people in world.

[Topspinmo]

Climate Change IS Global Warming and there are RECORDED temperatures to PROVE IT. Alaska and Russia in the Arctic zone have temperatures 4 times the average normal temperatures - recorded temperatures to prove Global Warming. Also the tundra in those areas is unfrozen and that worries Scientists. The whole earth is warmer and even Antarctica is melting.
......Closer to home - The Gulf of Mexico is now at a record 86 degrees in spots. That has provided the engine that has powered the latest hurricanes Francine and Milton. One reason to CARE is that Francine killed over 220 people and counting and Milton is 17 deaths and counting.
.......With the Gulf at record temperatures, it is possible to have a 3rd killer Hurricane this year in Florida. And what about next summer? The increased population of the Earth will mean more methane and CO2 produced by industry, coal burning, automobiles, and gas golf carts. Which means more reflected HEAT NEXT YEAR.
.........There is one positive government action going on. We don't need coal and natural gas to generate our electricity - we are the sunshine state. In California during the day 100% of that states electricity comes from natural sources, wind and solar. At night some energy comes from storage batteries. Overall, California has produced a 30% increase in natural energy in the last year. And note to Florida as the Sunshine state we could do better. wonder what holds us back?

He’s on his bicycle again

Karen complaining about Electric Car Engine left on 🤣🤣🤣🤣 #karen #shorts #uk #tesla #electric - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Oy_JsiGl4AU)

[fdpaq0580]

Some parts of Sarasota are underwater. And the barrier islands had worse flooding.

Some will deny there is a problem even when they are treading water.
And why are they so po'd at Gore? The message was right, even if the time frame wasn't quite right on the money. I'll bet if someone from their camp said it first, they'd be all for going green.
Just my most HUMBLE opinion. 🙂

[fdpaq0580]

Personally, I would be happy if 90% of the world were made up of Al Gores and Greta Thunbergs. The US and Russia would not be enemies. China would be peaceful. India would not be starving. All the counties would be sharing the world's wealth. The word WAR would be only seen in History books. The air would be clean and fossil fuel cars would be in museums. And Climate Change would NOT exist.

"Imagine"

[Topspinmo]

Some parts of Sarasota are underwater. And the barrier islands had worse flooding.

Shouldn’t be allowed to build on barrier islands or with in 5 miles of coast. And if you do don’t expect insurer to insure you or government to bail you out of you poor choice and bad decisions.

[Ponygirl]

I applaud jimjamuser for his informative and helpful comments abt climate change

No one has mentioned the number of deaths and negative health impacts from climate change and greenhouse gas emissions

For example: Interesting to read the GWU statistics and analysis of the increased number of trips to the emergency room for asthma and respiratory issues in young children living next to highway versus those children who live in another part of the city not next to highways

Also heat related illnesses and climate change migration and arthropod illnesses. Increased number of mosquito borne illnesses due to mosquitoes not going into diapause and inhabiting areas further north See EEE deaths this year

Recent hurricanes are an example of more extreme and more frequent storms. In 2023 there were 28 billion dollar storms compared to 4 in 2000

For more info on health impacts there are some excellent graphics on CDC website

[biker1]

No. She is not a scientist. Nobody should listen to her because she has no expertise or knowledge in climate dynamics, radiative transfer, multivariate analysis, satellite data processing, climate modeling, numerical weather prediction, boundary layer physics, turbulence, data homogenization, cloud modeling, precipitation processes, etc. If she is your hero then I feel sorry for you.

Greta Thunberg in her 1st 16 years has influenced more people than most will their entire lifetime, myself included. As more people start to believe that Climate Change is real, her fame will increase. She was a LEADING force.

[jimjamuser]

Based on multiple statements, it seems like you think CA has great policy and FL has poor policy. So I'm not sure why you live here instead of there.
Only to confuse people with the contradiction.

[jimjamuser]

Excellent analysis based on pure fantasy and zero facts. As my algebra teacher sued to say, "Please show your math." Otherwise, your conclusion is baseless.
I believe that what I wrote was hypothetical. It was meant to be thought provoking.

[jimjamuser]

Al Gore is doing a good job of making failed predictions without any help from Big Oil. His buddy John Kerry has to be the biggest hypocrite of our time, flying around in a private jet while railing on the masses to make sacrifices. Once you open your eyes, you can't unsee it.
Al Gore's predictions are coming true MASSIVELY right now. That just shows how far ahead of his time he really was. And as far as flying around in jets go......how would famous leaders be supposed to get to Europe and the far East......by hitch hiking? which brings up Greta Thunberg - she traveled from Europe to the US on a SAILBOAT to avoid wasting jet fuel. How many of your heroes would do that? She will be in the Global warming Hall of Fame.

[Stu from NYC]

Al Gore's predictions are coming true MASSIVELY right now. That just shows how far ahead of his time he really was. And as far as flying around in jets go......how would famous leaders be supposed to get to Europe and the far East......by hitch hiking? which brings up Greta Thunberg - she traveled from Europe to the US on a SAILBOAT to avoid wasting jet fuel. How many of your heroes would do that? She will be in the Global warming Hall of Fame.

She might be in a hall but perhaps a hall of nonsense.

[Stu from NYC]

Greta Thunberg in her 1st 16 years has influenced more people than most will their entire lifetime, myself included. As more people start to believe that Climate Change is real, her fame will increase. She was a LEADING force.

A foolish young woman who the media made her into the ignorant person she really is

[jimjamuser]

I applaud jimjamuser for his informative and helpful comments abt climate change

No one has mentioned the number of deaths and negative health impacts from climate change and greenhouse gas emissions

For example: Interesting to read the GWU statistics and analysis of the increased number of trips to the emergency room for asthma and respiratory issues in young children living next to highway versus those children who live in another part of the city not next to highways

Also heat related illnesses and climate change migration and arthropod illnesses. Increased number of mosquito borne illnesses due to mosquitoes not going into diapause and inhabiting areas further north See EEE deaths this year

Recent hurricanes are an example of more extreme and more frequent storms. In 2023 there were 28 billion dollar storms compared to 4 in 2000

For more info on health impacts there are some excellent graphics on CDC website
Since there are statistics about young children having asthma and respiratory illnesses that live near highways versus not near highways - I wonder if there are any statistics for over 55 aged people having asthma and respiratory illnesses that live in retirement communities WITH mostly gasoline powered golf carts and other retirement communities that have all ELECTRIC golf carts. I repeat what I have said that if you can smell FUEL after a golf cart passes you by - it CAN'T be GOOD for you. How much better would it be for a persons health that was dancing at the evening ENTERTAINMENT Squares if the air was cleaner because only electric carts would be allowed to enter the area of the Squares. How much quieter would the Villages be if only electric Carts were allowed?
........Incidentally, electric cars and trucks have the potential to cost LESS than gasoline cars and trucks after many of them are produced - because electric engines have 60 to 70% fewer parts than gasoline engines. Also since their motion is smoother in a circle the Electrical engines last longer than the reciprocating gasoline engines. That is 2 huge advantages of E-vehicles.
......Electric cars and golf carts can help with health and noise reduction in addition to working against Climate Change.

[SoCalGal]

[QUOTE=What might impact the destruction of earth; remove about 7. 5 billion humans. But, nobody wants to volunteer or change their greedy habits and stop breeding like rats. [/QUOTE]

Au contraire. The world is on the brink of population collapse right now.

[Pugchief]

as far as flying around in jets go......how would famous leaders be supposed to get to Europe and the far East......by hitch hiking?

Hmm, IDK, how about commercial airplanes like everybody else? The plane is already flying, so no extra pollution if one more elite hops on board.

If these guys really cared, they would practice what they preach.