Moffitt Cancer Center

[The Shadow]

First of two parts.

Most everybody knows this axiom: Don't pick a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/os-lk-lauren-ritchie-moffitt-cancer-c20110123,0,1468200.column

[Cathy H]

Thanks for the informative article in the Orlando Sentinal. Makes me wonder how many scams do the Morses run in TV?

[graciegirl]

This is much discussed here, whether an entity has a right to open doing the same kind of business as another entity.

Seems like that kind of competition is very frequently seen.

Moffitt will be a much bigger and probably much better known same type of business and that owner will probably lose a lot of business to them.

But is it a scam?

[SALYBOW]

IS it a scam? Undecided, but it was proposed by lying to us. I have a friend who was treated at the Boissenault center and she was thrilled with her treatment there. She disagrees with the claim that they will have a better caliber of treatment equiptment at Moffit. I have no problem with Morse opening his own treatment center but I do have a problem with the way it was touted as offering something new that was unavailabe today.

As a former radiation therapist I know that the field is quite lucrative. As a new resident I am not sure whether the incidence of cancer in TV warrants another center or not. What I do know is that the request for money to equipt the center was done using tactics which are not completely truthful. This upset me. It makes me wonder if my subscription to the Daily Sun is money well spent.

Each Villager needs to make up their own mind on whether they want to contribute to equip the Moffit Center or not. They need to decide whether the Villages doing things to interupt The Relay for Life activities since the organizers refused to give the money raised to the Moffit Center was an ethical, moral or just action.

I personally am leaning towards believing it was not an honest effort on behalf of the Developer. I am disappointed that TV residents were considered guillable enough to accept this proposal without analyzing it. The residents of TV left behind many careers which required education that would make them perfectly competent to come to informed decision on issues. I wonder if that education was not considered when this campaign commenced.

:spoken:

[Jane52]

1. If you don't like the project, do not donate your money to it. (I sure wish we could take that approach with the IRS.)

2. I'm sure the Orlando Sentinel buys ink by the barrel, literally.

3. I think it is "misrepresentation" on Anderson/Bouissenault's part to portray themselves in the full-page ads as:

a) An old-time, friendly GP carrying a doctor's valise as though he were making house calls and would settle for $2 or freshly butchered chicken as compensation for coming to your house so you could stay in the bed. A picture speaks a thousand words, and that one spoke volumes.

b) As a "cancer institute", with "institute" giving the impression that all phases of cancer care are provided there, when in reality it does only ONE phase, oncology radiation treatment. They give the impression that this is a the only place one would need to go for overall cancer treatment when in fact, radiation treatment is not even appropriate for many cancer patients, and for many, it is the LAST step of the process.

All of the above makes me welcome Moffitt more and I will donate or not donate after seeking out the facts.

Everything is political. That's what this is. I just wish objectors would be as critical and investigative with Washington and state bureaus and how they squander our tax dollars they confiscate from us having NO say as to how it's used.

[Russ_Boston]

I think the next positive article about TV from Lauren Ritchie will be her first. (Since she is a TOTV member maybe she could correct me by pointing me to a previous good article?)

For some reason we are supposed to put a lot of credence into what a competitor says? One who may lose business to the other proposed business? I know she is an columnist and not a reporter but how this is considered fodder for a newspaper is beyond me.

Again this article is nothing but questions without any real answers. I'm still waiting for someone, anyone, to tell me why I should care. I donate to many charities and causes. Do I cringe when a report comes out that someone in an organization did something unethical with the money? Heck yeah. But do I stop all donations to that organization? No, not if I feel the greater good is being served. I'm buying a brick and I have no regrets.

Jane52 made some very good points about the other 'center'. If you feel that you were duped then by all means reserve your judgment and your money. There is still a risk to the developer of any property. By taking a risk they deserve to reap benefits if it succeeds.

Do your own research and decide. TOTV and Laureen Ritchie are only sources. Go out and get other details and please share them with us.

[nitakk]

I guess there ain't no fool like an old fool. Hey, it's your money to give but why not give it to some charity that really needs it? If the "non-profit"
Villages Health System has enough money to build a second hospital at Brownwood, they have enough money to outfit Moffitt. Please understand, people, nobody is saying Moffitt here is a bad thing and that competition isn't good for us all. But we've been snookered into paying for it for them. Morse don't do anything unless he can make money at it - he is a businessman at all times.

[Mikeod]

Without taking sides in the Anderson-Morse thing, I have been uncomfortable with the Moffitt deal from the time it was announced. I used to work for a non-profit health care system and I know our members were not asked to fund the equipment for any new facility we built. Nowhere have I read anything about a benefit to the contributors once the facility is completed other than having it here. The POA complained when the plans for a cancer center in Leesburg were announced and was pleased when it was relocated to TV. I don't recall Leesburg residents being asked to fund the equipment for a Leesburg facility.

While no fan of Ritchie, something here just does not seem right. I will watch and see what happens.

[iaudit]

1. If you don't like the project, do not donate your money to it. (I sure wish we could take that approach with the IRS.)

2. I'm sure the Orlando Sentinel buys ink by the barrel, literally.

3. I think it is "misrepresentation" on Anderson/Bouissenault's part to portray themselves in the full-page ads as:

a) An old-time, friendly GP carrying a doctor's valise as though he were making house calls and would settle for $2 or freshly butchered chicken as compensation for coming to your house so you could stay in the bed. A picture speaks a thousand words, and that one spoke volumes.

b) As a "cancer institute", with "institute" giving the impression that all phases of cancer care are provided there, when in reality it does only ONE phase, oncology radiation treatment. They give the impression that this is a the only place one would need to go for overall cancer treatment when in fact, radiation treatment is not even appropriate for many cancer patients, and for many, it is the LAST step of the process.

All of the above makes me welcome Moffitt more and I will donate or not donate after seeking out the facts.

Everything is political. That's what this is. I just wish objectors would be as critical and investigative with Washington and state bureaus and how they squander our tax dollars they confiscate from us having NO say as to how it's used.

I attended the POA meeting where Dr. Anderson spoke and he indicated that he does not use a collection agency and does not turn any patient away because of inability to pay. Maybe you could call him up to see if he will take $2 or a freshly butchered chicken as compensation. He also indicated, that based on the dollars being spent for the radiation equipment for the Moffit "Center", the Villages are NOT getting the same machine that is being used in Tampa which costs in the neighborhood of $5 million.

[same]

I want a "Cancer Center" in the Villages. ...Don't you?

[Jane52]

....The POA complained when the plans for a cancer center in Leesburg were announced and was pleased when it was relocated to TV. I don't recall Leesburg residents being asked to fund the equipment for a Leesburg facility.....

It looks to me like both communities have been funding equipment and facilities for a long, long time with donated monies:

"Alliance Healthcare Foundation
The Alliance Healthcare Foundation endeavor is to create healthier communities through philanthropy, volunteerism and community partnerships.

Since 1977, the Foundation has supported the hospitals’ programs, services and growing needs.....

Charitable gifts to the Alliance Healthcare Foundation are one of the most important and fulfilling ways to make a positive difference in the well-being of our community, since every patient is treated regardless of their ability to pay." (from CFHA Foundation website)

[bike42]

I don't recall Leesburg residents being asked to fund the equipment for a Leesburg facility.

I read that they were doing fund-raising for the entire facility in Leesburg - building, equipment, everything -- some $25 million.

[Avista]

I am Moffitt http://www.moffitt.org/ graduate, having been treatedby them in 2003. I still drive to Tampa once a year for my annual checkup.

Because of my positive experience with them, I am a Moffitt supporter.

When they came to Tampa a number of years ago, there was much of the same conversation. "St Joe's has the same equipment, University Community Hospital has the same equipment. We have many oncologists in Tampa--don't need others coming in.

What Moffit brought was an Interdisciplinary Team Approach. When you are treated at Moffit, you are treated by a team already in place. They meet and discus your case. Each of the team members has ALL of your records.
This interdisciplinary team approach is one of the ways Moffitt has the edge.

Moffit is rated with Sloan Kettering, MD Anderson and many of the other top cancer centers.

[bestmickey]

I'm not going to take a position on the fundraising issue for the proposed Moffit center in TV. However, I do question the need for duplicative costly equipment and services if they already exist in a community.

I suggest it's time that we all start looking at the costs of medical care in general. After all, isn't that cost one of the things contributing to this Country's fiscal crisis? Why is this duplication within the confines of The Villages necessary? Dr. Anderson and his staff already are affiiliated with Moffit. While Morse is attempting to raise funds for the purchase of this equipment through donations (a "freebie"), that certainly isn't the end of monies needed to maintain, repair and eventually replace the equipment when newer technologies beome available.

While a Moffit affiliate within TVRH may be needed (and is surely wanted) for the TV community, isn't there another cancer related medical specialty that could be brought in since the radiology specialty is already provided within the community?

As an aside, I sure hope Dr. Anderson owns the building he's in. If it's leased from the Morse family, I'm sure his lease won't be extended. That would be a major moral and ethical crime.

[teachnmo]

At the POA meeting Dr. Anderson stated that he owns his land and building.

[bestmickey]

At the POA meeting Dr. Anderson stated that he owns his land and building.

Good to know. Thanks!

[ajakk]

Do we need another "cancer center"in TV? Probably not but Moffitt is a brand name, so CFHA probably feels it is profitable to open an affiliate here. After it's all said and done, there will be a Moffitt affiliate in Leesburg, TV and the one already located in Ocala at ORMC. We not only won't have to go to Tampa for treatment but will have 3 Moffitt affiliates within 25 miles to choose from. Not to mention the previously unknown Mayo Clinic affiliate "cancer center" located about a hundred and fifty yards form the soon-to-be Moffitt affiliate. We must be the cancer capital of the world - is it any wonder that health care costs are out of control?

The only negative is the TV Moffitt is the one that requires donations by Villagers for equipment if it's to open here. Oh, I forgot, it was brought out they (CFHA/Developer/Morse) always had the funds for equipment but wanted to keep it for the future Brownwood Hospital, if it is ever built. Shame on the CFHA/Developer/Morse because this information should have been released at the start of the project, not months later. Once you donate to The Village Health System, they can use it as they see fit, whether it be to outfit Moffitt or build a hospital at Brownwood.

[villages07]

As Russ often reminds us ... it's voluntary donations not mandatory taxes that are being sought.

Do we need another cancer center? Good question. I assume someone or some group much smarter than me has analyzed the demographics, population growth, health needs, and existing facilities and determined that there is a need for further expansion.

I remember friends back North who worked tirelessly doing fundraisers for their local community hospital to purchase equipment, build new wings, etc. I don't recall any hue and cry about why donations were needed to fund these local, critical needs.

I think there is some instant suspicion whenever the Morse family is involved. Yes, they are business people out to make a buck but they have also been the catalyst for the rapid expansion and improvement of medical facilities for this area. Without their push and influence, I fear we would not have anywhere near the facilities or medical personnel that we have now to serve this fast growing area. If it had been left up to Sumter/Lake/Marion County or the State of Florida to meet our medical needs, I think (just my opinion) that we would have been terribly underserved.

I hope to never have to use Moffitt's capabilities, but, I am impressed with their total patient care approach and feel they will be an asset to this community.

[VillagesFlorida]

I don't know much about Moffit from a personal standpoint but I DO know a little something about the Robert Boissoneault Oncology Institue on Clemente Ct. in The Villages. In 2001 I had 33 radiation treatments there, after a lumpectomy on my right breast. Radiation may be all they do but they do it very well. I don't know anything about the Sentinel article but will probably read it. One thing I know for sure: If I ever need radiation in the future, I will specifically ask to be referred back to Boissoneault. The staff there treated me with the utmost kindness and professionalism. Dr Shelaine Mabanta was just who I needed when faced with an uncertain future. When it came time to dismiss me to my medical oncologist I asked to stay on with her for an extra year. Having other cancer treatment options available here in The Villages will be a good thing for all of us. After watching 12+ years of news from central Florida nothing would surprise me as far as how this new cancer center came to be. Maybe the best thing that we can all do is to not think about that and just enjoy more peace of mind once it is finished. Somehow, I don't believe that wondering and worrying about who-did-what is going to change a thing in the end.......been here and have seen how these things get done, too many times!

[bike42]

As Russ often reminds us ... it's voluntary donations not mandatory taxes that are being sought.

Do we need another cancer center? Good question. I assume someone or some group much smarter than me has analyzed the demographics, population growth, health needs, and existing facilities and determined that there is a need for further expansion.

I remember friends back North who worked tirelessly doing fundraisers for their local community hospital to purchase equipment, build new wings, etc. I don't recall any hue and cry about why donations were needed to fund these local, critical needs.

I think there is some instant suspicion whenever the Morse family is involved. Yes, they are business people out to make a buck but they have also been the catalyst for the rapid expansion and improvement of medical facilities for this area. Without their push and influence, I fear we would not have anywhere near the facilities or medical personnel that we have now to serve this fast growing area. If it had been left up to Sumter/Lake/Marion County or the State of Florida to meet our medical needs, I think (just my opinion) that we would have been terribly underserved.

I hope to never have to use Moffitt's capabilities, but, I am impressed with their total patient care approach and feel they will be an asset to this community.

Well said -- thank you.

[Jane52]

Finally, the question of whether Leesburg is having to fundraise for equipment and the building has been answered, in The Villages Voice January 2011 at

http://www.thevha.net/the-villages-voice?op=3&issue=26&article=595

Leesburg community is being asked to do fundraising of $25 million because they have to fund the construction of the building and facilities, in addition to the equipment. TV residents are not being asked to pay for building/facilities construction because the developer is paying for that. So we're being asked to fundraise for about $4.5 million while Leesburg has to fundraise $25 million.

The article is titled "CFHA and TVHS Team with Moffitt for Comprehensive Cancer Care".

The direct quotes that finally clarify all of this were removed twice here when I posted them and linked to their source (copyright violation, moderator says).

[Number 6]

It does not say the developer is paying for the building. It says he is leasing it to CFHA. No small point.

[Russ_Boston]

It does not say the developer is paying for the building. It says he is leasing it to CFHA. No small point.

Technically speaking isn't he paying for the building and then leasing it out? And why is this a contentious point? Wouldn't any building that they locate in have to pay the landlord?

[iaudit]

I think the contentious point is that the community was led to believe that he was donating the building (paying for it), not building it and leasing it.

[Challenger]

Technically speaking isn't he paying for the building and then leasing it out? And why is this a contentious point? Wouldn't any building that they locate in have to pay the landlord?

I would almost always want to see this type of non profit operate out of leased quarters rather than getting into the real estate ownership process themselves. If the rent is appropriate there is no real reason to critise this situation nor the proposed landlord.

[Jane52]

I would almost always want to see this type of non profit operate out of leased quarters rather than getting into the real estate ownership process themselves. If the rent is appropriate there is no real reason to critise this situation nor the proposed landlord.

Well said!

[Russ_Boston]

I think the contentious point is that the community was led to believe that he was donating the building (paying for it), not building it and leasing it.


If that was said I can see your point - was that ever in print so we can all see it? If so please provide the link.

[The Shadow]

Part 2 of article.

Sunday's column began to examine a controversy in The Villages that surrounds the Moffitt Cancer Center, which is scheduled to open in the fall.

The building to house the center is being paid for and constructed by H. Gary Morse and his family, who own and have developed The Villages. Moffitt's partner in the project, the Central Florida Health Alliance, will pay rent, just like any other business leasing any other Morse-owned commercial property in The Villages.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/os-lk-lauren-ritchie-moffitt-cancer-c20110126,0,1664811.column

[nitakk]

It seems as though if you criticize the way donations are being asked for by, at the very best, not telling the whole truth, you are against Moffitt, cancer treatment in general and probably don't like puppies. For all of you who think those of us who question this whole deal makes us Morse-bashers, Moffitt-haters and quite possibly Nazi-loving communists, my answer is to use your brain. I now realize there is no way of reasoning with people who don't want to use reason but it's so frustrating!! I, for one, won't be snookered into this out-and-out fraud being perpetuated on us by CFHA. Donations to all local "real" charities are down in this area since this crap started and that is just wrong. So if you will excuse me, I have to get back to "Mein Kampf" - it was just getting interesting.

[Whalen]

It seems as though if you criticize the way donations are being asked for by, at the very best, not telling the whole truth, you are against Moffitt, cancer treatment in general and probably don't like puppies. For all of you who think those of us who question this whole deal makes us Morse-bashers, Moffitt-haters and quite possibly Nazi-loving communists, my answer is to use your brain. I now realize there is no way of reasoning with people who don't want to use reason but it's so frustrating!! I, for one, won't be snookered into this out-and-out fraud being perpetuated on us by CFHA. Donations to all local "real" charities are down in this area since this crap started and that is just wrong. So if you will excuse me, I have to get back to "Mein Kampf" - it was just getting interesting.

That about sums it up.

[Number 6]

If that was said I can see your point - was that ever in print so we can all see it? If so please provide the link.


Read back through the posts. When it is written that the developer is "financing" the building, many folks take that to mean his is "donating" it. Here is a part of an earlier post -

TV residents are not being asked to pay for building/facilities construction because the developer is paying for that. So we're being asked to fundraise for about $4.5 million while Leesburg has to fundraise $25 million.


That is really what I was replying to. Now it turns out that he is not donating the land. I know I read that one somewhere.

[Larry Wilson]

It seems as though if you criticize the way donations are being asked for by, at the very best, not telling the whole truth, you are against Moffitt, cancer treatment in general and probably don't like puppies. For all of you who think those of us who question this whole deal makes us Morse-bashers, Moffitt-haters and quite possibly Nazi-loving communists, my answer is to use your brain. I now realize there is no way of reasoning with people who don't want to use reason but it's so frustrating!! I, for one, won't be snookered into this out-and-out fraud being perpetuated on us by CFHA. Donations to all local "real" charities are down in this area since this crap started and that is just wrong. So if you will excuse me, I have to get back to "Mein Kampf" - it was just getting interesting.

Thanks for telling it like it is...:BigApplause:

[Jane52]

Read back through the posts. When it is written that the developer is "financing" the building, many folks take that to mean his is "donating" it. Here is a part of an earlier post -

That is really what I was replying to. Now it turns out that he is not donating the land. I know I read that one somewhere.

Read what this article linked below in The Villages Voice says under "Fundraising". I tried to be accurate by quoting the exact words of the article and giving the reference (link) to the source, but the administrators took it down because they say the quote is "copyrighted".

I think the statement is clear that Villages residents are not being asked to pay for building construction as Leesburg residents are, because the developer is paying for the construction in TV.

For all the "experts" out there, is it possible that Leesburg residents are raising money for the building/facilities, and that IT will be leased to Moffitt as will be done in TV?

http://www.thevha.net/the-villages-voice?op=3&issue=26&article=595

[iaudit]

Jane52

You have to realize the the "Villlage Voice" is put out by the Villages Homeowners Association (VHA), which is nothing more than an organization created by the developer when the Property Owners Association (POA) did not go along with everything that the developer wanted many years ago. Anything that comes out of the VHA must be looked at with significant skepticism since they really represent the developer, not the homeowners. Look up the posts where anyone attending their meetings are not even allowed to ask questions during the presentations that they put on.

[Jane52]

OK. So is the article false? Is Leesburg not raising $25 million for construction of the building/facility and the radiation equipment?

[Russ_Boston]

Donations to all local "real" charities are down in this area since this crap started and that is just wrong.

Yes that would be wrong.

But to say that Moffitt Cancer is not a 'real' charity would be as wrong. You can refer to an earlier link that I posted from an organization that monitors such things.

[Taj44]

It seems as though if you criticize the way donations are being asked for by, at the very best, not telling the whole truth, you are against Moffitt, cancer treatment in general and probably don't like puppies. For all of you who think those of us who question this whole deal makes us Morse-bashers, Moffitt-haters and quite possibly Nazi-loving communists, my answer is to use your brain. I now realize there is no way of reasoning with people who don't want to use reason but it's so frustrating!! I, for one, won't be snookered into this out-and-out fraud being perpetuated on us by CFHA. Donations to all local "real" charities are down in this area since this crap started and that is just wrong. So if you will excuse me, I have to get back to "Mein Kampf" - it was just getting interesting.

I love your posts! Nice to see some new blood on TOTV.:BigApplause:

[dgammon6]

At the VHA meeting, the Director of the Leesburg Hospital said they thought they would need to raise 25 million for the project, but someone was going to build the building and they would only need to raise money for equipment. People in attendance gave their questions to the moderator who summerized them and asked the panel to answer them.

[The Shadow]

I offer this as food for thought but I do not understand non profit, it’s not free to the patients.
Note all four of the Moffitt Corporations are non profit the fifth is just a factious name. All are at the same address.

Florida Non Profit Corporation
H. LEE MOFFITT CANCER CENTER AND RESEARCH INSTITUTE, INC.
Filing Information
Document Number N02631

Florida Non Profit Corporation
H. LEE MOFFITT CANCER CENTER AND RESEARCH INSTITUTE HOSPITAL, INC.
Filing Information
Document Number N94000001576

Florida Non Profit Corporation
H. LEE MOFFITT CANCER CENTER AND RESEARCH INSTITUTE LIFETIME CANCER SCREENING CENTER, INC.
Filing Information
Document Number N94000001577

Florida Non Profit Corporation
H. LEE MOFFITT CANCER CENTER AND RESEARCH INSTITUTE FOUNDATION, INC.
Filing Information
Document Number N94000001580

Principal Address for the four Corporations above.
12902 MAGNOLIA DRIVE
TAMPA FL 33612-9497 US

Fictitious Name
MOFFITT CANCER CENTER
Filing Information
Registration Number G08074700071
Owner Information
H. LEE MOFFITT CANCER CENTER AND RESEARCH INSTITUTE INC
12902 MAGNOLIA DRIVE
TAMPA, FL 33612

[graciegirl]

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[jflynn1]

:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:First article: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/os-lk-lauren-ritchie-moffitt-cancer-c20110123,0,1468200.column?page=2


Second article: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/os-lk-lauren-ritchie-moffitt-cancer-c20110126,0,1664811.column

[The Shadow]

I have a theory, if I was the head of Moffitt and I organized the four non profit corporations and I wanted to insure that one of the corporations did not become more popular than the rest and receive more donations that the rest and become profitable, I would create a fictitious name “MOFFITT CANCER CENTER”. Because the names of the four corporations are too long to fit on a donation check, I would tell contributors to make the check out to “MOFFITT CANCER CENTER”. In doing so checks could be deposited in anyone of the four non profits corporation accounts and prevent any non profit from becoming profitable.

I do believe that if I am correct it would be playing by the rules.

[Lauren Ritchie]

hello villagers concerned about moffitt,

i just popped on here to answer russ boston's question. finally! someone asked it! thanks, russ. though he phrased it differently, he basically wants to know why i never write anything nice about the villages.

first, there is a distinction here that few people seem to make, and i am not sure why they do not see the difference. realize i have never, ever written anything critical of the lifestyle or what is offered to residents at the villages.

in many columns, i have stated that it's a great place to live for folks who want a social experience and who are big golf fans. where better? if you find some place, let me know. i do not write columns about what the villages offers or columns comparing the offerings of local retirement communities. these issues simply aren't on my radar as a journalist. but i think it's great if you're having fun. more power to you.

that said, i often write articles that are critical or that question the actions of the developer. for some reason, folks in the villages identify with the developer. they seem to think that a criticism of the developer is a criticism of them or their lifestyle.

that's what i don't get and maybe someone can explain it. the way i see it, you folks are customers -- you bought a house and a lifestyle. it was an arm's length transaction in a business deal. after you buy a buick, do you feel some sort of identification with the phillips dealership? (because i write critically about the developer, i am somehow seen as hating the people who live there or hating the lifestyle or being "jealous". i am with nitakk on this one -- just because you have questions about moffitt and the way it's being sold to you doesn't mean you hate cancer survivors, does it?)

ok, moving on...why, you might ask, don't you also write about the developer of the planation? or the stonecrest? or, one of the other retirement communities?

the answer is simple: the developer of the villages has created GOVERNMENTS, legitimate governments under florida law. and he controls the big governments that handle all your "tax" money. none of the other retirement communities operate in the same way. of course, villages residents don't pay actual property taxes to the developer. in the villages, we call it an "amenity fee." the fee pays for many of the same things that citizens outside the villages have given to cities and counties to take care of. your fees are set and administrated by the developer-controlled governments.

that's why, in my book, your developer gets the same scrutiny i give to any other government in the area. i spend some considerable time writing about how public money is spent in lake county. for example, i'll be writing on sunday about more than $6 million that i believe the city of leesburg just flat wasted buying slums instead of making the owners clean them up. if you were to look back in a catalogue of my clips over the last 30 years, you would not find "nice" articles about government.

why is that? the reason is that the press in america is not in charge of advertising for any government. i'm not the cheerleading section for the city of leesburg, just as i'm not the publicity chairman for the villages governments. journalists are the watchdogs of government -- hence the nickname, 'the fourth estate.' i look at how these entities are using your money, and as a columnist, i write what i think about them.

you may argue that the villages is unique. indeed, it is unique in more ways than simply governmental structure. does that mean that no one should be allowed to think critically about how money for public purposes is spent? i hope not.

it is easy to deflect focus by saying, 'oh, she hates the villages,' or, 'oh, he hates moffitt,' or, 'oh, dr. anderson is just mad because he's losing patients' or 'oh, it's political,' or any number of other smokescreens. that's just a way of trying to keep people from taking a serious look into an issue for themselves and making a decision. in my opinion, that's precisely what your developer wants you to do -- recognize the well-respected moffitt brand and give your cash thoughtlessly.

my purpose in writing the last two columns (and there is another coming on friday that i didn't anticipate when i wrote the first two) is to lay out some facts that seem to be lacking. for example, lots of people think that moffitt is building a full service cancer center, just like in tampa only smaller. the vice president of moffitt stated to me that that assumption is completely incorrect. in fact, he said, there will be only one doctor who works for moffitt, and tht person will be at the villages only part-time. there are NO docs who are in diagnostics. so, the idea that you can go there to be diagnosed and have a treatment plan developed by docs who work for moffitt is in error. and where did that idea come from? i submit to you that it's from the hype created by the daily sun and the developer.

once i lay out the facts, the purpose of a column is commentary -- in other words, i give my opinion. the idea is to get folks talking and thoughtfully considering the developer's request instead of simply rushing to do what's asked. most of us have limited amounts to contribute to charity, and we've worked hard for our cash. i think we all want to be sure that what we give is being spent wisely.

russ, i hope that gives you an idea of what i do for a living and how. i'm happy to answer other questions if i can. i am not on totv usually, but i try to log in when i have written something that affects folks here. if you have something pressing and i haven't been on totv, please email me at LRitchie@orlandosentinel.com (lritchie@orlandosentinel.com)

and as always, thank you for taking the time to read the column. this is thursday afternoon, and i believe column no. 3 will be posted on the sentinel's site at www.lakesentinel.com (http://www.lakesentinel.com) by later this evening.

-- lauren

[nitakk]

Lauren, thanks for your research on what is going on with this whole Moffitt fiasco. While some people here are happy with a golf club in one hand and a beer in the other, I'd like to believe there are more reasonable, educated residents who want to know the facts. Like I said in my previous post, that $1 million could have done a lot of good for a lot of people in this area instead of funding something that didn't need funding in the first place.

[Challenger]

Lauren, thanks for your research on what is going on with this whole Moffitt fiasco. While some people here are happy with a golf club in one hand and a beer in the other, I'd like to believe there are more reasonable, educated residents who want to know the facts. Like I said in my previous post, that $1 million could have done a lot of good for a lot of people in this area instead of funding something that didn't need funding in the first place.

Why do the posts of this individual seem to be attacks on the intelligence of those who think otherwise? Lets talk about facts, not inuendo and allow people to develop their own opinions and act accordingly.

[Bogie Shooter]

Lauren, thanks for your research on what is going on with this whole Moffitt fiasco. While some people here are happy with a golf club in one hand and a beer in the other, I'd like to believe there are more reasonable, educated residents who want to know the facts. Like I said in my previous post, that $1 million could have done a lot of good for a lot of people in this area instead of funding something that didn't need funding in the first place.

Does this mean if I play golf and drink beer that I am uneducated??

[iaudit]

Does this mean if I play golf and drink beer that I am uneducated??

Only if you try and play golf one handed while holding the beer.

[Russ_Boston]

Thanks for checking in Laureen.

I can understand what you are saying about what some residents think. But I only deal with facts. The facts you stated about what CFHA and Moffitt are doing is known to me (I think). But I do believe that you can get coordinated care through this facility. Yes they will need to discuss with others but the Moffitt affliliation should allow for complete coordinated care (albeit maybe not just at the TV location). No? If I'm wrong then please correct me.

The biggest issue I've had is how people think CFHA or Moffitt is different than any not for profit 'hospital'. They all NEED donations. Hospitals have entire wings donated by benefactors. I guess this difference here is the distrust by some that think Morse et. al. will unduly benefit from the donations.

[nitakk]

Now boys, calm down. I also play golf (and drink wine - love happy hour) but I meant that for some people, that's enough and they don't want to know what's happening here in our community. As long as it doesn't affect their insulated world, who cares? While I am flattered at all the attention, it would be better served by discussing the lengthy post by Ms. Ritchie and her two articles in the Sentinel. That is the real issue here and it deserves better attention that this.

[Taj44]

Lauren, many of us do appreciate the facts you bring to light in your columns, and many of us do NOT take it personally, although there will always be those that do, for reasons I can't understand either. Your column is doing our community a favor ~ thank you!

[Russ_Boston]

Lauren, many of us do appreciate the facts you bring to light in your columns, and many of us do NOT take it personally, although there will always be those that do, for reasons I can't understand either. Your column is doing our community a favor ~ thank you!

More info is good. I'm not really sure this article had any new info though. All of it was already discussed here on TOTV. Maybe we're just ahead of the game:)

[Lauren Ritchie]

Thanks for checking in Laureen.

I can understand what you are saying about what some residents think. But I only deal with facts. The facts you stated about what CFHA and Moffitt are doing is known to me (I think). But I do believe that you can get coordinated care through this facility. Yes they will need to discuss with others but the Moffitt affliliation should allow for complete coordinated care (albeit maybe not just at the TV location). No? If I'm wrong then please correct me.

The biggest issue I've had is how people think CFHA or Moffitt is different than any not for profit 'hospital'. They all NEED donations. Hospitals have entire wings donated by benefactors. I guess this difference here is the distrust by some that think Morse et. al. will unduly benefit from the donations.


hey russ,
you certainly will be able to get what usually is called "coordinated care" at the moffitt center. but you can already get the same thing at two other centers in or near the villages -- one owned by dr. anderson and one by dr. hal jacobson. and both of those have "affiliations" with moffitt in place. (they're actual written agreements). also, all the docs who will be providing care at the center practice here already.

the problem is that villages residents, apparently because of the voluminous publicity, are presuming that moffitt is going to send its docs over here to diagnose and treat folks. that is not the case, and moffitt's VP is very clear on that. the doctors doing the diagnosing and planning of treatment modalities are all LOCAL docs, people with existing practices here right now.

the only thing that moffitt is providing a doctor for is to oversee the dispensing of radiation treatments -- the same treatment available in two of four centers close to the villages today. (two do full treatments; two do limited treatments, mostly in the field of urology cancers.)

both moffitt and central florida health alliance are, indeed, non profit. i am not sure why they would need donations. they get the same reimbursements from insurance and medicare as do for-profit hospitals and docs and cancer centers. it's an equal playing field for all of them.

as to whether morse will "unduly" profit...only in the sense that he can use the moffitt center as yet another tool to sell homes. realize that so far, he hasn't donated a dime, unless he has quietly done so without telling anyone. i'd be surprised if that's the case. yet he's asking you to reach into your wallet. i think that's wrong -- just my opinion.

also, he will make money on the deal from the long-term leaseback on the build-to-suit construction for the center. i don't begrudge him that. but i think it's wrong to have given people the impression that he's "donated" the property, which is precisely how his connection was described by his newspaper. he hasn't.

[Lauren Ritchie]

Read what this article linked below in The Villages Voice says under "Fundraising". I tried to be accurate by quoting the exact words of the article and giving the reference (link) to the source, but the administrators took it down because they say the quote is "copyrighted".

I think the statement is clear that Villages residents are not being asked to pay for building construction as Leesburg residents are, because the developer is paying for the construction in TV.

For all the "experts" out there, is it possible that Leesburg residents are raising money for the building/facilities, and that IT will be leased to Moffitt as will be done in TV?

http://www.thevha.net/the-villages-voice?op=3&issue=26&article=595


jane,
what an interesting question you raise about whether moffitt will be paying rent on the leesburg facility. that was one of the questions i would have asked lee huntley, had he been willing to be interviewed, which he wasn't.

-- lauren

[Lauren Ritchie]

I think the contentious point is that the community was led to believe that he was donating the building (paying for it), not building it and leasing it.

hey iaudit,

folks weren't just "led to believe" that. they were flatly told that untruth by the developer's newspaper. that's what first attracted my attention to this issue.

--lauren

[Russ_Boston]

hey iaudit,

folks weren't just "led to believe" that. they were flatly told that untruth by the developer's newspaper. that's what first attracted my attention to this issue.

--lauren

Is it possible to see an actual quote (source cited and verifiable) from anywhere on these 'untruths'? I see a lot of people saying it as absolute fact but have yet to see it in writing. I'm not saying it doesn't exist but since I'm up in the frozen north right now I need some links. Thanks.

[iaudit]

Is it possible to see an actual quote (source cited and verifiable) from anywhere on these 'untruths'? I see a lot of people saying it as absolute fact but have yet to see it in writing. I'm not saying it doesn't exist but since I'm up in the frozen north right now I need some links. Thanks.

Unfortunately, Russ, unlike real newspapers, the Daily Sun does not even post most of the their newspaper articles online or create an archive of previous articles for one to search. Therefore, unless one keeps a physical copy of their old newspapers, there is no way to go back and look at what was originally printed in the Daily Sun.

The main headline in the Daily Sun earlier in the week was that the donations for the hospital equipment had gone over $1 million dollars. If you look at the online edition with articles for this week, there is no mention of this milestone that warranted front page headlines.

[English Ivy]

Russ, as iaudit stated, it's often hard to provide links to stories from The Daily Sun. The are very selective on which articles can be viewed online.

However, here is a link to what I believe was the first announcement of Moffitt coming to The Villages. The article can be read in its entirety here: http://www.thevillagesdailysun.com/news/local/article_ac30954e-9acd-11df-b93f-001cc4c03286.html

Hope I'm not breaking your rules, Tony, but I'd also like to cut and paste from that article into my post.

The developer is financing and building the second tower addition to the Sharon Morse Building next to the hospital. It will house the complete Moffitt Cancer Center, which is planned to be operative by early next year.

This means that most costs for the Moffitt center will be covered, with the exception of approximately $2 million of specialty cancer equipment, which will require some charitable contributions during the year of construction.

Maybe this is why so many people are not happy about this project and how it has evolved. It started out indicating approximately $2 million of equipment which will require some charitable contributions to over $4 million which they want to be entirely funded by charitable contributions. It was originally over $6 million but then they "joined forces" with Lake Medical Imaging, who already has a piece of equipment required, in their offices are the other end of the Sharon Morse building.

Hope this helps you understand why some of us feel as we do.

[Jim 9922]

Yup, both statements are true, only neither disclose the full set of facts.
The Developer is doing the building, but neglected to say he's keeping it and renting it out.
Of course substantially all costs will be covered,--- from patient's fees, including rent expense. That's how business are run.
Ignorance is bliss, as the Developer so proves. And everyone runs out to jump on the bandwagon!
Also, keep in mind that not-for-profit organizations can AND usually DO make profits, they just are mandated to use "some" of those "profits" for charitable purposes. And, "profits" come after whatever salaries, and bonuses, and lavish fringes the "managers" of the organization pay themselves. The real problem of many not-for-profits is maintaining the balance between making and retaining large profits and disbursing enough charitable funds and activities to maintain their tax exempt status. If run "right", a not-for-profit is a license to steal.
There are many good organizations, but a lot of bad ones are really run for the benefit of the organizers, so check out an organization's financials and public reports before making significant donations.

[Russ_Boston]

I think ALL not for profit organizations in the health field have well stocked charitable giving/recieving foundations. As I've said before, you can walk into almost any hospital or medical center here in Boston (and there are many!) and read the names on the wall of famous benefactors or see the whole buildings that are in their name. And all of these facilities have CEOs, doctors etc. who make millions but they still ask for donations.

It is not unusual for a medical center to ask for donations regardless of the intended use of the money that is raised. I think this is fact not a guess I my part. I still don't understand the problem. If you don't support the charity then don't contribute and don't attend any function that is contributing. Send your money directly to the other charity that you think is being slighted. And yes, don't be afraid to let others know of your concerns if it means that much to you. This is still America and you have that right. To me - It is that easy!

To even insinuate that Moffitt is not a legit organization is ludicrous. There are places that monitor such thngs - just check them out. They, and their affliate network, have been ranked by those that rank such things as one of the top comprehenisve cancer research and treatment centers in the country.

If I'm wrong about this then I'll issue each and every one of you a sincere apology. But I'm betting that I'll never have to do that.

[Challenger]

I think ALL not for profit organizations in the health field have well stocked charitable giving/recieving foundations. As I've said before, you can walk into almost any hospital or medical center here in Boston (and there are many!) and read the names on the wall of famous benefactors or see the whole buildings that are in their name. And all of these facilities have CEOs, doctors etc. who make millions but they still ask for donations.

It is not unusual for a medical center to ask for donations regardless of the intended use of the money that is raised. I think this is fact not a guess I my part. I still don't understand the problem. If you don't support the charity then don't contribute and don't attend any function that is contributing. Send your money directly to the other charity that you think is being slighted. And yes, don't be afraid to let others know of your concerns if it means that much to you. This is still America and you have that right. To me - It is that easy!

To even insinuate that Moffitt is not a legit organization is ludicrous. There are places that monitor such thngs - just check them out. They, and their affliate network, have been ranked by those that rank such things as one of the top comprehenisve cancer research and treatment centers in the country.

If I'm wrong about this then I'll issue each and every one of you a sincere apology. But I'm betting that I'll never have to do that.

Very well stated!!

[redwitch]

Russ, I've never denied that Moffitt is a legitimate, good (actually, great) cancer treatment center and I don't think anyone has said otherwise, although I do remember one post insinuating Moffitt was not really not-for-profit. (Personally, I'm hard-pressed to be convinced that anything but a county hospital or Shriner's and St. Jude's are truly not-for-profits in the medical field.) Totally irrelevant.

Also, to me, there's a huge difference between the charity balls, contributions for wings made by the monied, etc. and pretty much forcing people to contribute whether they believe in the "charity" or not. Almost every event held at Savannah Center now seems to have a portion going to Moffitt. As I've stated, I won't attend an event where a portion of the proceeds go to TV's Moffitt Center, but I really resent not attending some of these events. I truly would have enjoyed some of them but I'll be danged if I'm going to give one nickel to something I feel is unnecessary, of little benefit to the majority and rammed down my throat as if it was the greatest gift ever given.

[iaudit]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/os-lk-lauren-ritchie-moffitt-cancer-c20110128,0,1795885.column?page=1&track=rss

[nitakk]

Russ, I've never denied that Moffitt is a legitimate, good (actually, great) cancer treatment center and I don't think anyone has said otherwise, although I do remember one post insinuating Moffitt was not really not-for-profit. (Personally, I'm hard-pressed to be convinced that anything but a county hospital or Shriner's and St. Jude's are truly not-for-profits in the medical field.) Totally irrelevant.

Also, to me, there's a huge difference between the charity balls, contributions for wings made by the monied, etc. and pretty much forcing people to contribute whether they believe in the "charity" or not. Almost every event held at Savannah Center now seems to have a portion going to Moffitt. As I've stated, I won't attend an event where a portion of the proceeds go to TV's Moffitt Center, but I really resent not attending some of these events. I truly would have enjoyed some of them but I'll be danged if I'm going to give one nickel to something I feel is unnecessary, of little benefit to the majority and rammed down my throat as if it was the greatest gift ever given.

Love it, redwitch - couldn't agree with you more.:BigApplause:

[Larry Wilson]

Russ, I've never denied that Moffitt is a legitimate, good (actually, great) cancer treatment center and I don't think anyone has said otherwise, although I do remember one post insinuating Moffitt was not really not-for-profit. (Personally, I'm hard-pressed to be convinced that anything but a county hospital or Shriner's and St. Jude's are truly not-for-profits in the medical field.) Totally irrelevant.

Also, to me, there's a huge difference between the charity balls, contributions for wings made by the monied, etc. and pretty much forcing people to contribute whether they believe in the "charity" or not. Almost every event held at Savannah Center now seems to have a portion going to Moffitt. As I've stated, I won't attend an event where a portion of the proceeds go to TV's Moffitt Center, but I really resent not attending some of these events. I truly would have enjoyed some of them but I'll be danged if I'm going to give one nickel to something I feel is unnecessary, of little benefit to the majority and rammed down my throat as if it was the greatest gift ever given.

So true Redwitch. :clap2: We are going to a wine tasting with a group and we are all complaining that part of the ticket goes to Moffitt. One in the group called the business and were told the business was forced into the whole deal. Nice way to strong arm a business which was told their rent would go up if they didn't cooperate. :ohdear:

[spk7951]

Russ, I've never denied that Moffitt is a legitimate, good (actually, great) cancer treatment center and I don't think anyone has said otherwise, although I do remember one post insinuating Moffitt was not really not-for-profit. (Personally, I'm hard-pressed to be convinced that anything but a county hospital or Shriner's and St. Jude's are truly not-for-profits in the medical field.) Totally irrelevant.

Also, to me, there's a huge difference between the charity balls, contributions for wings made by the monied, etc. and pretty much forcing people to contribute whether they believe in the "charity" or not. Almost every event held at Savannah Center now seems to have a portion going to Moffitt. As I've stated, I won't attend an event where a portion of the proceeds go to TV's Moffitt Center, but I really resent not attending some of these events. I truly would have enjoyed some of them but I'll be danged if I'm going to give one nickel to something I feel is unnecessary, of little benefit to the majority and rammed down my throat as if it was the greatest gift ever given.


While I will say that I do have issues with the fund raising for the Moffitt Center, at the same time I can not agree that it is unnecessary or of little benefit to the majority.
After having a loved one go through various treatments and finding out what is and is not covered under insurance I fully understand the need for "options" when it comes to cancer treatments and insurance. Not all treatment centers are accepted by every insurance company. As an example when my wife needed treatment for her cancer we were faced with the option of "in plan" centers that were 2 hours away and out of state or two others that would mean we had to fly to those cities. She choose the one that was one hour away and in state but "out of plan" which required a much higher out of pocket from us. I do not know if this will be an issue here but it certainly could be. I can not begin to count how many family and friends have been touched by my wife's fight with cancer and according to the American Cancer Society about 569,000 Americans were expected to die in 2010 from cancer. So I then wonder how many of those 569,000 families and families such as mine who are still fighting this disease would feel that a new cancer center would only benefit the majority and is thus unnecessary.
Some may just feel that Moffitt in TV is unnecessary and that is certainly their privilege but my guess is that if they ever need treatment things will probably be seen in a different light.

[ajakk]

Russ, I've never denied that Moffitt is a legitimate, good (actually, great) cancer treatment center and I don't think anyone has said otherwise, although I do remember one post insinuating Moffitt was not really not-for-profit. (Personally, I'm hard-pressed to be convinced that anything but a county hospital or Shriner's and St. Jude's are truly not-for-profits in the medical field.) Totally irrelevant.

Also, to me, there's a huge difference between the charity balls, contributions for wings made by the monied, etc. and pretty much forcing people to contribute whether they believe in the "charity" or not. Almost every event held at Savannah Center now seems to have a portion going to Moffitt. As I've stated, I won't attend an event where a portion of the proceeds go to TV's Moffitt Center, but I really resent not attending some of these events. I truly would have enjoyed some of them but I'll be danged if I'm going to give one nickel to something I feel is unnecessary, of little benefit to the majority and rammed down my throat as if it was the greatest gift ever given.


TRUE DAT..............

Does anyone know if the Chili Cookoff next Saturday is being strong-armed for a percentage also?

[Russ_Boston]

So true Redwitch. :clap2: We are going to a wine tasting with a group and we are all complaining that part of the ticket goes to Moffitt. One in the group called the business and were told the business was forced into the whole deal. Nice way to strong arm a business which was told their rent would go up if they didn't cooperate. :ohdear:


Larry - I agree that if this happened it would be awful. But "rent would go up"? Doesn't pass the sniff test. In fact I would think that would be illegal tactics and probably actionable if it took place. Do you mean the rent for the event or for their business location? If it was location and they have that on record then that is called racketeering.

Red - Yes it is unfortunate that people are not attending events based on the charity of choice. But I have attended many things that say "a portion of the proceeds...". Quite frankly if I want to attend the event I do. I don't let the fact that a portion of the proceeds go to a charity of not my choice affect me.

I think everyone needs to understand that they should only believe about half of what anyone says and less than a third of what they read. Use your own sniff test and ask for more detailed answers.

[Pturner]

So true Redwitch. :clap2: We are going to a wine tasting with a group and we are all complaining that part of the ticket goes to Moffitt. One in the group called the business and were told the business was forced into the whole deal. Nice way to strong arm a business which was told their rent would go up if they didn't cooperate. :ohdear:

Larry, I think much of the criticism about the tactics is quite well deserved, but that accusation is just beyond the pale.

It's one thing to disapprove of the tactics, but quite another to believe anything that supports your position regardless of how outlandish and unsubstantiated. It sounds as if you are making an accusation of criminal conduct. Do you even have any evidence beyond someone said? Good grief!

[golfnut]

russ, i agree it doesn't pass the sniff test, but then there is a lot of purported information posted here that is unsubstantiated, it's the nature of the beast, welcome to the internet....gn

[redwitch]

spk, I'd totally agree with you that a Moffitt in TV would be totally necessary but for one fact -- Moffitt had already agreed to have one at Leesburg, which will actually be closer to those who live in the south end of TV than the one being built in TV. Sorry, I can see no need for two centers of the exact same kind being built that close together.

russ, I've been very vocal about how I feel about a Moffitt Center in TV. To then let my $$ knowingly go to Moffitt would be very hypocritical. So, I'll continue staying away from events that support something I don't.

[Russ_Boston]

spk, I'd totally agree with you that a Moffitt in TV would be totally necessary but for one fact -- Moffitt had already agreed to have one at Leesburg, which will actually be closer to those who live in the south end of TV than the one being built in TV. Sorry, I can see no need for two centers of the exact same kind being built that close together.

russ, I've been very vocal about how I feel about a Moffitt Center in TV. To then let my $$ knowingly go to Moffitt would be very hypocritical. So, I'll continue staying away from events that support something I don't.

You should spend your money as you see fit of course. That's what I've been saying all along - vote with your feet if you feel inclined.

Personally I don't care if the same business decides to have two locations near each other. I only assume that they've done their homework. Unfortunately (for those that need the facility) I'll bet they will both succeed.

[spk7951]

spk, I'd totally agree with you that a Moffitt in TV would be totally necessary but for one fact -- Moffitt had already agreed to have one at Leesburg, which will actually be closer to those who live in the south end of TV than the one being built in TV. Sorry, I can see no need for two centers of the exact same kind being built that close together.



Then it all comes down to choice and if I was in the situation of needing care and my doctor recommended Mofitt then I would go to the facility "on property" even though Leesburg may be closer to my house. And I suspect a number of people in TV would probably choose the same.

Having said all of that I do not believe this to be an issue of two facilities close together but an issue of how the funding is being handled. That I do not agree with.

[The Shadow]

Then it all comes down to choice and if I was in the situation of needing care and my doctor recommended Mofitt then I would go to the facility "on property" even though Leesburg may be closer to my house. And I suspect a number of people in TV would probably choose the same.

Having said all of that I do not believe this to be an issue of two facilities close together but an issue of how the funding is being handled. That I do not agree with.
Food for thought, “I would go to the facility "on property" even though Leesburg may be closer to my house. And I suspect a number of people in TV would probably choose the same.” I go along with that, so I wonder why with all the nice restaurants in TV why would TOTV go to Leesburg to have a get together. I could not figure that from the day it was announced if for no other reason than if you want to see you local business tomorrow you should support it today.

[EdV]

Probably because they are a (new?) advertising clent of TOTV.

[EdV]

According to the latest Sentinel article, there’s already an independent treatment center in Leesburg. So there will be a total of 4 treatment centers. Of course, by 2015, TV plans to have an additional 25,000 residents.

P.S. It’s not just TV residents that are being asked to donate funds. They are holding fund raising meetings with residents in the adjacent communities too.

[The Shadow]

Probably because they are a (new?) advertising clent of TOTV.
Ok, that makes sense. I have to admit I do not continually review the ads. If they would mix in some personal ads from hot chicks I would read them more often.:)

[spk7951]

According to the latest Sentinel article, there’s already an independent treatment center in Leesburg. So there will be a total of 4 treatment centers. Of course, by 2015, TV plans to have an additional 25,000 residents.

P.S. It’s not just TV residents that are being asked to donate funds. They are holding fund raising meetings with residents in the adjacent communities too.


And by looking at any of the county population growth projections for Lake and Sumter counties over the next five to ten years and further out it would present a pretty good business case for just about anyone in the medical field.

[Talk Host]

Food for thought, “I would go to the facility "on property" even though Leesburg may be closer to my house. And I suspect a number of people in TV would probably choose the same.” I go along with that, so I wonder why with all the nice restaurants in TV why would TOTV go to Leesburg to have a get together. I could not figure that from the day it was announced if for no other reason than if you want to see you local business tomorrow you should support it today.


Naples restaurant in Leesburg is one of the sponsors that provides you with the privilege of using this forum for free. We have contacted every (every) restaurant in The Villages with a proposal to advertise on Talk of The Villages. Every one of them has declined. Naples restaurant, on the other hand, sees the value of promoting itself to Villages residents. (wonder why they go out of business?)

For those who publicly profess to not viewing not noticing or just plain ignoreing our advertisers, I would say that it's important to remember that its these ads that provide all of use with the privilege of having Talk of The Villages. Without them, no forum.

The developer is likely the landlord of most restaurants in The Villages. I would hate to think that they are being instructed to not support this forum.

JLK

[The Shadow]

Naples restaurant in Leesburg is one of the sponsors that provides you with the privilege of using this forum for free. We have contacted every (every) restaurant in The Villages with a proposal to advertise on Talk of The Villages. Every one of them has declined. Naples restaurant, on the other hand, sees the value of promoting itself to Villages residents. (wonder why they go out of business?)

For those who publicly profess to not viewing not noticing or just plain ignoreing our advertisers, I would say that it's important to remember that its these ads that provide all of use with the privilege of having Talk of The Villages. Without them, no forum.

The developer is likely the landlord of most restaurants in The Villages. I would hate to think that they are being instructed to not support this forum.

JLK
Under the circumstances you have described I would totally support your actions. Thank you for taking time to respond and for providing that information.

[Advogado]

It seems as though if you criticize the way donations are being asked for by, at the very best, not telling the whole truth, you are against Moffitt, cancer treatment in general and probably don't like puppies. For all of you who think those of us who question this whole deal makes us Morse-bashers, Moffitt-haters and quite possibly Nazi-loving communists, my answer is to use your brain. I now realize there is no way of reasoning with people who don't want to use reason but it's so frustrating!! I, for one, won't be snookered into this out-and-out fraud being perpetuated on us by CFHA. Donations to all local "real" charities are down in this area since this crap started and that is just wrong. So if you will excuse me, I have to get back to "Mein Kampf" - it was just getting interesting.

It seems like there are better uses for our charitable contributions.

My biggest complaint about this whole controversy is the total lack of journalistic integrity on the part of Developer's Daily Sun toadies in reporting on this matter, but I guess we should be used to that by now. It is too bad that the Daily Sun is the only source of news for many Villagers.
We can be grateful to Lauren Ritchie and the Property Owners' Association for giving us the news that the Developer obviously doesn't want us to have.

[Russ_Boston]

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We can be grateful to Lauren Ritchie and the Property Owners' Association for giving us the news that the Developer obviously doesn't want us to have.

What news did they give us exactly? I just re-read both of them and mostly it was just the other cancer center complaining or generating a list of questions in the POA bulletin. The questions, if answered, are good but the questions themselves are not news, they are questions.

The only thing in either article that was news might be the answer on the lease arrangements.

[saratogaman]

Florida is only one of two states that does not require a proposed healthcare facility to seek a certificate of need. The other states require a proposal that clearly demonstrates that there is a need for the facility to meet unmet needs.
Here it seems to be a hands-off, have-at-it approach. When there are too many facilities, there is under-utilization and that ultimately leads to increased costs...and even closing of some pioneering outfits. This seems to be nothing less than shameful money-grubbing to get into residents pockets.

[same]

What news did they give us exactly? I just re-read both of them and mostly it was just the other cancer center complaining or generating a list of questions in the POA bulletin. The questions, if answered, are good but the questions themselves are not news, they are questions.

The only thing in either article that was news might be the answer on the lease arrangements.

Russ, according to nci.nih.gov "the other" is not a "cancer center".

[Larry Wilson]

Florida is only one of two states that does not require a proposed healthcare facility to seek a certificate of need. The other states require a proposal that clearly demonstrates that there is a need for the facility to meet unmet needs.
Here it seems to be a hands-off, have-at-it approach. When there are too many facilities, there is under-utilization and that ultimately leads to increased costs...and even closing of some pioneering outfits. This seems to be nothing less than shameful money-grubbing to get into residents pockets.

I agree completely. :BigApplause:

[Russ_Boston]

Russ, according to nci.nih.gov "the other" is not a "cancer center".

Thanks - I was trying to be kind.

Saratoga - Can't money grub if you don't give them any money. Let them go out of business if that's what the market dictates. This is just a cancer center affiliation - Moffitt has been in Florida and flourished for many years.

[Advogado]

Thanks - I was trying to be kind.

Saratoga - Can't money grub if you don't give them any money. Let them go out of business if that's what the market dictates. This is just a cancer center affiliation - Moffitt has been in Florida and flourished for many years.

Russ, are you going to donate to Moffitt, knowing what you now know about the situation?

[chuckster]

The effective statement here is donate if you wish and don't if you have a problem with the issues. If you are criticizing in an attempt to influence others from not giving don't waste your breath.

Many of us have and will continue to follow our beliefs in trying to help others. Personally I purchased several memorial bricks to honor family and close friends that have fallen victim to cancer. That is my choice and not yours to decide.

To those that say this will lessen donations to other charities, not true, we still give the same to all those we have supported over the years, locally and in our home town. Follow your heart and not those that are trying to convince you based on their dislike of one or another individual. I've found after all these years that they tend to not be a giving person and of course that's their choice.

[Shirleevee]

[QUOTE=chuckster;327146]The effective statement here is donate if you wish and don't if you have a problem with the issues. If you are criticizing in an attempt to influence others from not giving don't waste your breath.

Many of us have and will continue to follow our beliefs in trying to help others. Personally I purchased several memorial bricks to honor family and close friends that have fallen victim to cancer. That is my choice and not yours to decide.

To those that say this will lessen donations to other charities, not true, we still give the same to all those we have supported over the years, locally and in our home town. Follow your heart and not those that are trying to convince you based on their dislike of one or another individual. I've found after all these years that they tend to not be a giving person and of course that's their choice.[/QUOT



GREAT! AMEN!!

[Larry Wilson]

Some of what you say is very true but...we and many of our friends don't want to donate but... we are very active. We have a large circle of friends here. We have no say, if we want to see our friends in the show. Hospice and Relay for life are our preferred charities and they are down in the Villages. The charities are down, ask the boards.
When every 5 min you have an ad on the radio, a center set up in the town squares and shows giving part of ticket, or all the ticket, you donate whether you want or not. The smaller charities don't have that power.!! I'm off the computer for a days( so busy) and won't have time to debate but I will be donating to Moffitt whether I want to or not.

[Challenger]

The effective statement here is donate if you wish and don't if you have a problem with the issues. If you are criticizing in an attempt to influence others from not giving don't waste your breath.

Many of us have and will continue to follow our beliefs in trying to help others. Personally I purchased several memorial bricks to honor family and close friends that have fallen victim to cancer. That is my choice and not yours to decide.

To those that say this will lessen donations to other charities, not true, we still give the same to all those we have supported over the years, locally and in our home town. Follow your heart and not those that are trying to convince you based on their dislike of one or another individual. I've found after all these years that they tend to not be a giving person and of course that's their choice.
Nicely said

[graciegirl]

The effective statement here is donate if you wish and don't if you have a problem with the issues. If you are criticizing in an attempt to influence others from not giving don't waste your breath.

Many of us have and will continue to follow our beliefs in trying to help others. Personally I purchased several memorial bricks to honor family and close friends that have fallen victim to cancer. That is my choice and not yours to decide.

To those that say this will lessen donations to other charities, not true, we still give the same to all those we have supported over the years, locally and in our home town. Follow your heart and not those that are trying to convince you based on their dislike of one or another individual. I've found after all these years that they tend to not be a giving person and of course that's their choice.

Well thought out post, steeped in kindness, like the person who wrote it; thoughtful and kind.

[Russ_Boston]

Russ, are you going to donate to Moffitt, knowing what you now know about the situation?

Yes I plan on buying two memorial bricks for people that I've lost to cancer.

At work I still support United Way even though they have had some issues with how the money was spent.

I support LiveStrong even though Lance is having his character questioned.

When my friends throw raffle tickets on my desk and say give me $25 I don't quiz them on the charity.

Maybe I'm naive but I suspect that registered charities (yes Moffitt is one) are, for the most part, doing something good for our communities.

I've seen nothing here or from Laureen Ritchie or the POA that makes me think this is all just one big scam.

My opinion and I'm sticking with it. You are free to do as you see fit.

[Number 6]

To those that say this will lessen donations to other charities, not true,

Of course it is going to lessen donations to other charities. Well, that is my opinion.

[Karissimo]

Has anyone noticed that a non-profit entity that was originally set up by Morse family (they changed officers just before fundraising for Moffitt) is fundraising for Moffitt. What's up? Why isn't Moffitt fundraising for Moffitt?

I think most residents have been lead to believe Moffitt is the entity behind this fundraiser.

[Russ_Boston]

Has anyone noticed that a non-profit entity that was originally set up by Morse family (they changed officers just before fundraising for Moffitt) is fundraising for Moffitt. What's up? Why isn't Moffitt fundraising for Moffitt?

I think most residents have been lead to believe Moffitt is the entity behind this fundraiser.

I don't see this as unusual. First, it is an affiliation between Moffitt and CFHA. Second, many organizations use outside fund raiser efforts. In fact I think most benefits I attend say something like "sponsored by X with proceeds going to Y"

[graciegirl]

Banner headline in todays paper. Greg Norman coming to Villages for Moffitt Center at fundraiser Golfest.

[nitakk]

Banner headline in todays paper. Greg Norman coming to Villages for Moffitt Center at fundraiser Golfest.

Is it just me, or shouldn't the "banner" headline on the front page of a real newspaper be: a) cold grips the nation, or b) unrest in Egypt?

I'm just saying........

[Taj44]

To put things in a nutshell, The Villagers are being asked to fund millions of dollars for radiation equipment for a new facility that won't provide us any new or improved services. Radiation is considered one of the "most lucrative" portions of cancer treatment, and the equipment can be expected to pay for itself in 2-3 years.

I laud those people that support charities. We all know people who have suffered from cancer ,and good feeling people that we are, we want to help out. In these times of economic hardship, although some people will up their charitable donations to meet various causes, many have a set amount they give any one year, and if they give some to Moffit, some other charity will suffer. Personally, I want my money to go to a charitable cause that really needs it. I just don't see how this "Moffit Center" needs our money. They have over $175 million in assets they can borrow against to purchase equipment, and the equipment will pay for itself in a couple of years anyways.

My spouse and I have been supporting charities for years; most recently I've donated to SeeYourImpact.org. Our money helps out poor people who will never be able to repay us, but our donation will help improve their life. I would much rather make a contribution to a real charity like that, then something like Moffit who has no business asking for money, in my opinion.

[The Shadow]

Is it just me, or shouldn't the "banner" headline on the front page of a real newspaper be: a) cold grips the nation, or b) unrest in Egypt?

I'm just saying........

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This post makes me think of this, an old TV program that I own on DVD. If you know the program you will see the connection. All other please proceed to the next post.

[Whalen]

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This post makes me think of this, an old TV program that I own on DVD. If you know the program you will see the connection. All other please proceed to the next post.

I keep expecting the big white baloon to roll down Morse Blvd

[downeaster]

To put things in a nutshell, The Villagers are being asked to fund millions of dollars for radiation equipment for a new facility that won't provide us any new or improved services. Radiation is considered one of the "most lucrative" portions of cancer treatment, and the equipment can be expected to pay for itself in 2-3 years.

I laud those people that support charities. We all know people who have suffered from cancer ,and good feeling people that we are, we want to help out. In these times of economic hardship, although some people will up their charitable donations to meet various causes, many have a set amount they give any one year, and if they give some to Moffit, some other charity will suffer. Personally, I want my money to go to a charitable cause that really needs it. I just don't see how this "Moffit Center" needs our money. They have over $175 million in assets they can borrow against to purchase equipment, and the equipment will pay for itself in a couple of years anyways.

My spouse and I have been supporting charities for years; most recently I've donated to SeeYourImpact.org. Our money helps out poor people who will never be able to repay us, but our donation will help improve their life. I would much rather make a contribution to a real charity like that, then something like Moffit who has no business asking for money, in my opinion.

Well said, Taj.

[dillywho]

As Chuckster and others have said, people are being asked to donate with donate and asked being the key words. This is entirely different from an assessment which is not one of the key words here. With assessments there is no choice concerning participation, choice being the key word.

Even though the request is seemingly targeting The Villages community, I don't think that that is the case at all. No where have I seen that only donations from Villagers will be accepted or that only Villagers will have access to the new facility. Cancer knows no boundaries, be it age, assets, or geography or any other parameter.

Until cancer becomes extinct, there can never be too much access to facilities, equipment, drugs, or whatever no matter the means. IMHO

[Larry Wilson]

To put things in a nutshell, The Villagers are being asked to fund millions of dollars for radiation equipment for a new facility that won't provide us any new or improved services. Radiation is considered one of the "most lucrative" portions of cancer treatment, and the equipment can be expected to pay for itself in 2-3 years.

I laud those people that support charities. We all know people who have suffered from cancer ,and good feeling people that we are, we want to help out. In these times of economic hardship, although some people will up their charitable donations to meet various causes, many have a set amount they give any one year, and if they give some to Moffit, some other charity will suffer. Personally, I want my money to go to a charitable cause that really needs it. I just don't see how this "Moffit Center" needs our money. They have over $175 million in assets they can borrow against to purchase equipment, and the equipment will pay for itself in a couple of years anyways.

My spouse and I have been supporting charities for years; most recently I've donated to SeeYourImpact.org. Our money helps out poor people who will never be able to repay us, but our donation will help improve their life. I would much rather make a contribution to a real charity like that, then something like Moffit who has no business asking for money, in my opinion.

Well put...:BigApplause:

[iaudit]

Until cancer becomes extinct, there can never be too much access to facilities, equipment, drugs, or whatever no matter the means. IMHO

I disagree with the statement that there can never be too much access. Let me tell you my story.

When my PSA starting going up seven years ago, I researched who were the top doctors that treated prostate conditions. I found a medical oncologist who treated nothing but prostate related diseases. Although he was five hours from my home, I felt it was important enough to make the trip. After doing a COMPLETE physical assessment, he recommended a biopsy. However, he also recommended that I go one of several physicians who use color dopler ultrasound to guide their biopsy because it highlights blood source which cancer needs to grow. The norm at the time was for grey scale ultrasound which doesn’t highlight blood source. He also recommended that the biopsy slides be sent to a pathologist who does nothing but prostate tissue because it is important that the correct gleason score be assigned if cancer is found. Unfortunately, after following his guidance I was diagnosed with prostate cancer.
This oncologist then started me on androgen deprivation therapy and after two months my PSA had dropped significantly, or so I thought. This oncologist, however, felt it should have been lower and recommended that I receive radiation treatment. He then suggested that I go to one of three sites in the USA who do nothing but prostate cancer AND publish their results. No only are their results good but the side effects from treatment were significantly less than normal. I settled on a place in Sarasota and rented a villa there while being treated for two months. So, here I am seven years later, with an undetectable PSA and no significant side effects.

Two points from all this:
1. The doctor doing the treatment and his expertise is way more important than just having a facility. The Villages may be getting a “Moffit” center but they are NOT getting “Moffit” doctors or necessarily “Moffit” class treatment. All doctors are not the same, even though they are in the same specialty. The doctor who graduates at the top of his class and the one who graduates at the bottom are both called doctor. You have to search out the ones at the top. In addition to their practices, they will take part in research AND publish their results.
2. Don’t be afraid to travel for treatment. In most cases, the initial treatment is the major determinant on whether an effective cure is made for many cancers. Subsequent salvage treatments may effect cures but usually just prolong life.

[Freeda]

I disagree with the statement that there can never be too much access.

I agree. The more people involved, as in any highly profitable endeavor, the danger is you may be the one who ends up with the 'expert' who is "all hat, no cattle", as we say in Kentucky. With cancer, no one wants to risk that.

[saratogaman]

It seems as though if you criticize the way donations are being asked for by, at the very best, not telling the whole truth, you are against Moffitt, cancer treatment in general and probably don't like puppies. For all of you who think those of us who question this whole deal makes us Morse-bashers, Moffitt-haters and quite possibly Nazi-loving communists, my answer is to use your brain. I now realize there is no way of reasoning with people who don't want to use reason but it's so frustrating!! I, for one, won't be snookered into this out-and-out fraud being perpetuated on us by CFHA. Donations to all local "real" charities are down in this area since this crap started and that is just wrong. So if you will excuse me, I have to get back to "Mein Kampf" - it was just getting interesting.

Straight out of the Glenn Beck playbook/chalkboard.Excuse me, I am going to puke.

[billethkid]

if they were afforded the coverage provided by TV media???If a day goes by that the subject of "Moffitt" is not in your face in the happy paper, please let me know.

Not bashing anybody except simple observation. There are times when TV owned/supported/promoted/operated entities do have a conflict of interest.

Won't it be a shame if the equipment funding comes up short and TV will have to "borrow" from it's cash hoard designated for the new hospital in Brownwood?

TV and it's representatives have made it perfectly clear they have little time, effort or funding for anything/anybody that is not aimed at Moffitt.

Is it The Villages Moffitt Cancer Center (which is how it started to be promoted)....or The Moffitt Cancer Center at The Villages which has been used more recently....and then either or both in some of the daily blustering!!!

And anybody who does not think the effort is aimed squarely at TV residents is not very well calibrated to the reality of the effort.

btk

[duffysmom]

I disagree with the statement that there can never be too much access. Let me tell you my story.

When my PSA starting going up seven years ago, I researched who were the top doctors that treated prostate conditions. I found a medical oncologist who treated nothing but prostate related diseases. Although he was five hours from my home, I felt it was important enough to make the trip. After doing a COMPLETE physical assessment, he recommended a biopsy. However, he also recommended that I go one of several physicians who use color dopler ultrasound to guide their biopsy because it highlights blood source which cancer needs to grow. The norm at the time was for grey scale ultrasound which doesn’t highlight blood source. He also recommended that the biopsy slides be sent to a pathologist who does nothing but prostate tissue because it is important that the correct gleason score be assigned if cancer is found. Unfortunately, after following his guidance I was diagnosed with prostate cancer.
This oncologist then started me on androgen deprivation therapy and after two months my PSA had dropped significantly, or so I thought. This oncologist, however, felt it should have been lower and recommended that I receive radiation treatment. He then suggested that I go to one of three sites in the USA who do nothing but prostate cancer AND publish their results. No only are their results good but the side effects from treatment were significantly less than normal. I settled on a place in Sarasota and rented a villa there while being treated for two months. So, here I am seven years later, with an undetectable PSA and no significant side effects.

Two points from all this:
1. The doctor doing the treatment and his expertise is way more important than just having a facility. The Villages may be getting a “Moffit” center but they are NOT getting “Moffit” doctors or necessarily “Moffit” class treatment. All doctors are not the same, even though they are in the same specialty. The doctor who graduates at the top of his class and the one who graduates at the bottom are both called doctor. You have to search out the ones at the top. In addition to their practices, they will take part in research AND publish their results.
2. Don’t be afraid to travel for treatment. In most cases, the initial treatment is the major determinant on whether an effective cure is made for many cancers. Subsequent salvage treatments may effect cures but usually just prolong life.

The voice of experience and wisdom .:mademyday:

[saratogaman]

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[graciegirl]

Well said, Taj.

I keep saying, it isn't just the equipment. It is the person who figures out precisely WHERE the radiation is to be pointed and for how long and factors in the scoliosis you may have and how many lymph nodes are affected and marks the area on your body and then carefully positions you in that particular way every day for a month and then watches carefully when the burn begins to take off your skin and treats you for that too.

It isn't JUST the equipment. LIke iaudit says, you must use YOUR brain to find the BEST doctor and the best treatment and travel there if need be. Facilities are VERY, very different and some are MUCH better than others.

I am very glad to hear your good results iaudit!

[Number 6]

Shadow-
You might notice my avatar and quote. The first time I was in the Villages I was expecting Rover (the white weather baloon) to make an appearence at any time. So I guess we know who is Number One around here.
Be seeing you.

[The Shadow]

Shadow-
You might notice my avatar and quote. The first time I was in the Villages I was expecting Rover (the white weather baloon) to make an appearence at any time. So I guess we know who is Number One around here.
Be seeing you.

The Prisoner program is fresh in my mind because I am currently watching the series, episode 6 is tonight. A weather balloon preceded by a close up of a lava lamp, that’s scary. An earlier poster referred to the news paper as the happy paper. When I think of that I can not hold back a smile.

Why did you resign Number 6? Talk and you will be free.

[duffysmom]

:shrug:The Prisoner program is fresh in my mind because I am currently watching the series, episode 6 is tonight. A weather balloon preceded by a close up of a lava lamp, that’s scary. An earlier poster referred to the news paper as the happy paper. When I think of that I can not hold back a smile.

Why did you resign Number 6? Talk and you will be free.

:shrug:

[ajakk]

People keep saying it's their right to donate to Moffitt if they feel the need. I agree - send the donation to the real Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa. Here you are donating to The Village Health System who is opening a Moffitt affiliate and using your donations to offset the cost of the future Brownwood hospital.

[Number 6]

Why did you resign Number 6? Talk and you will be free.

I will not make any deals with you. I've resigned. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own. I resign.

Shadow, I suspect that will put a smile on your facw.

[ladydoc]

I certainly want a cancer center there. I am not yet in remission and we will be moving to the villages (fingers crossed) sometime this year. My main concern is over medical care and the more that is available, the better.

[Russ_Boston]

using your donations to offset the cost of the future Brownwood hospital.

Can you substantiate this?

[redwitch]

Russ, it was in the paper that if Moffit didn't reach the goals, the funds would come out of the Brownwood hospital. I look for the article, but can't find it, but I do remember distinctly reading this. For me, it was just another reason to be against this center. (And I've already reserved two brickss for my parents for the Moffitt Center in Leesburg.)

[swrinfla]

You know what bothers me about this thread?

It seems to me that there are far too many folk who won't even consider a few bucks on behalf of Moffitt. :shocked:

It seems to me that there are a lot of folk who won't give anything at all on behalf of Moffitt. :shocked:

It seems to me that there are a lot of folk who just distrust any appeal for help, especially if it involves a fairly substantial amount of cash! :shocked:

It seems to me that there are a lot of folk who think that The Developer is always going to pocket a great amount of what they lay out, no matter why!

I was happy to donate what I consider a fairly substantial amount, in memory of my late wife, lost almost 11 years ago, to throat cancer. I'd have donated the same whether the appeal had come from our local hospital at the time of her death or from my new home's outstanding medical facility, here in The Villages.

I'm sorry, but the pettiness really, really gets to me!

SWR
:beer3:

[Russ_Boston]

Russ, it was in the paper that if Moffit didn't reach the goals, the funds would come out of the Brownwood hospital. I look for the article, but can't find it, but I do remember distinctly reading this. For me, it was just another reason to be against this center. (And I've already reserved two brickss for my parents for the Moffitt Center in Leesburg.)

yes but ajakk said just the opposite. Unless I read it wrong.

[Russ_Boston]

I'm sorry, but the pettiness really, really gets to me!

SWR
:beer3:

Ditto!

[billethkid]

treatment capabilities in TV area is the fact there are several very capable, 5 star entities that never get even an honorable mention.
My wife was well cared for her breast cancer...surgery done at Leesburg hospital, oncology by very competent doctors located within the Sharn Morse building ( one of several in TV area) and leading edge radiation treatments at Inter Community Cancer Center (TV office on Rolling Acres just behind Home Depot).

Maybe....MAYBE....she could have had all her post surgery care done at one location like a REAL Moffitt Cancer center....MAYBE!

Just for observation just compare the physical size of a REAL Moffitt or MD Anderson Cancer Center to the physical size of the new building being built here. Then compare the roster of physicians, researchers, oncologists and other specialized treat capable physicians located in a full service Moffitt Cancer Center or MD Anderson Cancer Center. The conclusion will be obvious.

The other full service facilities did not and do not poll their neighbors for initial equipment or the continuous upgrading of said equipment for technology advances.

Who is going to pay for the continuing ongoing upgrading of treatment equipment requirement to stay abreast of advances in cancer treatment technology at the facility here in TV?

The entire subject is a to each his own regarding their support/intents or not.
Me personally, I need a lot more information about a plan than has been made available to the residents. At this point in the process we know what TV wants us to know. I don't categorize that as good or bad. For me it is insufficient!

btk

[barb1191]

To put things in a nutshell, The Villagers are being asked to fund millions of dollars for radiation equipment for a new facility that won't provide us any new or improved services. Radiation is considered one of the "most lucrative" portions of cancer treatment, and the equipment can be expected to pay for itself in 2-3 years.

I laud those people that support charities. We all know people who have suffered from cancer ,and good feeling people that we are, we want to help out. In these times of economic hardship, although some people will up their charitable donations to meet various causes, many have a set amount they give any one year, and if they give some to Moffit, some other charity will suffer. Personally, I want my money to go to a charitable cause that really needs it. I just don't see how this "Moffit Center" needs our money. They have over $175 million in assets they can borrow against to purchase equipment, and the equipment will pay for itself in a couple of years anyways.

I am entitled to my opinion that I do not feel that the developer is philanthropically involved in the Moffitt venture, it's pure greed, and I truly feel bad for those who have been "taken" by this project. There are so many more "needy" ventures that could benefit from those donations than the two moguls, Moffitt and the developer.

My spouse and I have been supporting charities for years; most recently I've donated to SeeYourImpact.org. Our money helps out poor people who will never be able to repay us, but our donation will help improve their life. I would much rather make a contribution to a real charity like that, then something like Moffit who has no business asking for money, in my opinion.

My sentiments exactly....and yes, I AM a cancer patient who is very pleased with my choice of Ocala Oncology satellite facility in located across Rte 441 from Wal-Mart ten minutes from our home in TV. I have experienced exhaustive waiting hours beyond my appointment time at Moffitt-Tampa and chose to look elsewhere. My problem? Moffit is understaffed to keep patients waiting many hours to be seen by a nurse practitioner and not your oncologist and his expertise. They double-book appts and these sick, weak patients must sit around for hours in a waiting room to be seen.....what's wrong with this picture?

[rubicon]

To my way of thinking this is not about the Moffitt Center. It is about the manner in which the campaign to raise funds was misrepresented.

[Taj44]

My sentiments exactly....and yes, I AM a cancer patient who is very pleased with my choice of Ocala Oncology located across Rte 441 from Wal-Mart ten minutes from our home in TV. I have had my exhaustive waiting hours beyond my appointment time at Moffitt-Tampa and chose to look elsewhere. My problem? Moffit is understaffed to keep patients waiting many hours to be seen by a nurse practitioner and not your oncologist and his expertise. They double-book appts and these sick, weak patients must sit around for hours in a waiting room to be seen.....what's wrong with this picture?

I have a friend with cancer who told me something similiar. I asked him his opinion of having the Moffitt connected center in The Villages, and he didn't feel it would give hiim any better care than he's already getting here now.

[ajakk]

Can you substantiate this?

Russ, I can't. The Daily Sun did not include it in their article of the questions answered by the panel at the VHA meeting and I don't have a copy of it. The panel explained that if the equipment could not be bought with donations, money set aside for the proposed Brownwood hospital would have to be used and this might affect when the hospital will be built.

[billethkid]

issue of the POA bulletin. This is not intended to validate the issue, only that it was written there!

btk

[Russ_Boston]

issue of the POA bulletin. This is not intended to validate the issue, only that it was written there!

btk

Just read the entire article. I did see the part about possibly delaying the opening of the Brownwood Hospital.

First, it was an excellent job by the POA on asking these questions and getting answers to most. As I said before this would be news. Kudos to the POA on the research.

Second, I think all the answers provided should bring some closure to those that have expressed doubt. The only real questionable aspect is the use of the word 'donated' when discussing the new wing on the Sharon Morse building. Really it was a decision by the Morse development team to go ahead with previously shelved plans to expand the building since they now have a viable tenant in mind.

Third, I'm not that concerned even if the Brownwood hospital is delayed. There is no pressing need for the hospital at this point. Yes, in 5 years there may be as we add more residents south of 466A over that time frame. But for those of us in the south, CFHA in Leesburg is only 1/2 hour away (albeit not by golf cart:)).

Fourth, it is clearly evident that the RBOI is a radiation center and nothing more. This is great for those that need radiation treatment but unfortunately most cancer victims need more comprehensive care. RBOI will still have a place in the treatment plans of many and I wish them well.

Fifth, I thought a great point was made regarding the not for profit status. Many on this forum talk about the need for donations but never fully understand how important donations are for ALL not for profit hospitals to thrive.

Bottom line for me: I don't see any wrong doing and I don't feel that any donations will fall into the wrong hands.

For those of you who would like to read the entire POA online edition: http://www.poa4us.org/bulletins_files/bulletin201102.pdf

[Jane52]

This dead horse keeps being beaten and beaten, and in the end, the developers and Moffitt and CFHA are going to do this project with long-term planning and financing in mind, over which you have no control.

They all know what they are doing....if not, we would not have this piece of paradise we enjoy. I ask myself every day if I'm dreaming, or if this beautiful place and happiness are real. It's real, and it did not happen because the developers were just "conspirators" trying to lure us into something that is not needed, not desirable, nor affordable.

Bottom line is, there are lots of people here who want to run something.....they miss their career from which they retired and in which they got to run something and exert power over others.....or they never got to run something themselves and wanted to say for 40 years, "take this job and SHOVE it", but they needed the job and had to be subordinate to a boss or home developer over whom they have NO control nor clout.

Get OVER it and accept the fact that Moffitt Comprehensive Cancer Center is coming to The Villages, and patients will be able to get all their care and have it overseen by a world-class team from beginning to end in one place--TVRH complexes.

A lot of you have no idea what it is to be in a cancer battle for years. If you had, you would be thankful you are not in a hospice or hospital bed so far from home that your spouse or relatives cannot be at your side as much as you'd like.....and you'd be thankful you don't have to get in the car SICK and be taken to Tampa, Orlando, Gainesville, or Jacksonville to get more treatments that will make you feel sicker, telling yourself it has to get worse before it gets better.

Count your blessings instead of counting dollars donated to a worthy cause by people who give because they WANT to!

[KathieI]

This dead horse keeps being beaten and beaten, and in the end, the developers and Moffitt and CFHA are going to do this project with long-term planning and financing in mind, over which you have no control.

They all know what they are doing....if not, we would not have this piece of paradise we enjoy. I ask myself every day if I'm dreaming, or if this beautiful place and happiness are real. It's real, and it did not happen because the developers were just "conspirators" trying to lure us into something that is not needed, not desirable, nor affordable.

Bottom line is, there are lots of people here who want to run something.....they miss their career from which they retired and in which they got to run something and exert power over others.....or they never got to run something themselves and wanted to say for 40 years, "take this job and SHOVE it", but they needed the job and had to be subordinate to a boss or home developer over whom they have NO control nor clout.

Get OVER it and accept the fact that Moffitt Comprehensive Cancer Center is coming to The Villages, and patients will be able to get all their care and have it overseen by a world-class team from beginning to end in one place--TVRH complexes.

A lot of you have no idea what it is to be in a cancer battle for years. If you had, you would be thankful you are not in a hospice or hospital bed so far from home that your spouse or relatives cannot be at your side as much as you'd like.....and you'd be thankful you don't have to get in the car SICK and be taken to Tampa, Orlando, Gainesville, or Jacksonville to get more treatments that will make you feel sicker, telling yourself it has to get worse before it gets better.

Count your blessings instead of counting dollars donated to a worthy cause by people who give because they WANT to!

In my humble opinion, I think this was very nicely stated. Thanks Jane...

[Bogie Shooter]

Posts #128 & 129 sum up this topic perfectly. It is now up to each individual to make their own decision.

[saratogaman]

There will be more on Moffitt in Sunday's Orlando Sentinel.
Do you know that you can get home delivery of that paper?
It offers a lot more news -- and diverging opinions -- than the local propaganda, marketing sheet.

[Bogie Shooter]

And full page after full page of ads.

[graciegirl]

There will be more on Moffitt in Sunday's Orlando Sentinel.
Do you know that you can get home delivery of that paper?
It offers a lot more news -- and diverging opinions -- than the local propaganda, marketing sheet.


The Sentinel has a Democratic editorial slant and the fun has a Republican editorial slant.

[ajakk]

Get OVER it and accept the fact that Moffitt Comprehensive Cancer Center is coming to The Villages, and patients will be able to get all their care and have it overseen by a world-class team from beginning to end in one place--TVRH complexes.

From Lauren Ritchie's first article in the Orlando Sentinel:

Moffitt will do two things at the proposed center, said Nick Porter, executive vice president for institutional advancement and corporate relations.
First, Moffitt will act as an adviser to oncologists who have existing practices in Lake. The center is not sending oncologists of its own here from its base in Tampa to diagnose patients.
"We'll be providing guidelines, pathways, the mechanics of treating cancer as well as the opportunity to use clinical investigational drugs that we're using," he said.
Under the five-year agreement, local doctors will be able to participate in Moffitt "tumor boards" — meetings of Moffitt experts to discuss individual patients and recommend therapies — and may be able to join "some clinical trial activity."

Secondly, Porter said, Moffitt will be providing "the physical component of radiation therapy," which means that they'll supply the staff — physicists and dosimetrists, experts who measure and evaluate the dose of radiation — to run the machines.
Initially, only one part-time doctor, a radiation therapy physician, will be at The Villages center to oversee the process. The doctor will split his or her time with a second proposed Moffitt facility, this one on the campus of Leesburg Regional Medical Center, which is also owned by Central Florida Health Alliance. It is expected to be nearly identical to the one in The Villages in terms of services and equipment, Porter said.

[Russ_Boston]

I think the point that you miss ajakk is that the care is coordinated between CFHA and Moffitt. If you read the POA Q&A you'll have a better understanding of the medical relationship.

Ajakk, can you explain to me, in your words what is really ailing you about this plan? Personally I don't see how more cancer care, regardless of the exact specifics, is bad.

[ajakk]

I think the point that you miss ajakk is that the care is coordinated between CFHA and Moffitt. If you read the POA Q&A you'll have a better understanding of the medical relationship.

Ajakk, can you explain to me, in your words what is really ailing you about this plan? Personally I don't see how more cancer care, regardless of the exact specifics, is bad.

Russ, I have never said I was against the Moffitt affiliate in TV. What I have always tried to get across is the means used to get donations. We were told it would take donations to get the affiliate here, it won't. We were told the developer donated the land and building, he didn't. Daily Sun bombards us repeatedly with heart-wrenching stories meant to play on the goodness of Villagers. They also stated a cancer patient went to Tampa for cancer treatment, she didn't it was Shands. All this misrepresentation to play on our hearts knowing the sympathy card could not be played with a full disclosure. I also resent being asked to help open a business to compete with an already-established one who paid their own way to be able to serve us here in TV. Against Moffitt no, against Villagers being taken advantage of, yes.

[Russ_Boston]

OK I get it. It one of those "it's not what they did but how they did it things". Then you won't contribute - you have that right.

[billethkid]

As an aside, what we all know for sure is, unfortunately, there will be more cancer patients than facilities and treatment capabilities.
One more, happens to have a well known name is just fine. What is not fine is the conflicting communications to date. That is not going to change.
The good old fashioned judgement and decisions that got most of us to this stage of life will ultimately prevail.

btk

[downeaster]

OK I get it. It one of those "it's not what they did but how they did it things".

That's about it, Russ. There are those here who feel they were not up front with us. The Developer took us for granted by "volunteering us" to pick up the tab for the big bucks equipment. We were led to believe he was donating the land and building. The bottom line is, it was very badly handled from a PR angle.

RBOI didn't help matters with their ad blitz.

I am not sure of the extent of dissatisfaction outside this forum. It is not a subject of conversation in any group I am familiar with. (Of which I am familiar?)

I think the POA is doing a good job keeping us informed.

[barb1191]

I feel since Moffit is hooking up with Leesburg Hospital and Leesburg is a short distance from TV, thats a big plus for TV thus this plan of the developer requesting/demanding donations is superfluous, as well as pure greed since he is putting $0 out and making big bucks to boot on your money. And even worse, the gaul to outright lie to ask/demand for donations to fill his coffers! Yes "demand" as was proven when he kicked out of TV the AMCS Relay for Life because they chose not to allow the developer to take half of the profits for his plans. Call that donating? Certainly NOT. Call it abominable.

Some write those who have suffered the strains of the big C will know the importance of this wonderful gesture of the developer. I've had cancer and never in remission for six yrs now and I do not share that commentary. What a waste of money that could serve so many other needy causes!

Yes, stick with the POA to get the "real deal." They are truly ethical, loyal, honest, and dedicated to look out for the best interest of the residents of TV. They have a proven track record.

[Larry Wilson]

I feel since Moffit is hooking up with Leesburg Hospital and Leesburg is a short distance from TV, thats a big plus for TV thus this plan of the developer requesting/demanding donations is superfluous, as well as pure greed since he is putting $0 out and making big bucks to boot on your money. And even worse, the gaul to outright lie to ask/demand for donations to fill his coffers! Yes "demand" as was proven when he kicked out of TV the AMCS Relay for Life because they chose not to allow the developer to take half of the profits for his plans. Call that donating? Certainly NOT. Call it abominable.

Some write those who have suffered the strains of the big C will know the importance of this wonderful gesture of the developer. I've had cancer and never in remission for six yrs now and I do not share that commentary. What a waste of money that could serve so many other needy cau

:BigApplause: I so agree Barb. Sorry didn't mean to cut off your quote. You seem like a very wise woman.

[graciegirl]

I do not see what the developer would get out of it.

A tenant for his hospital building?

Since there is no need to glamorize or accessorize or add anything to this place to get people to want to live here, and since The Villages are probably 3/4's finished, than using it as a draw for sales doesn't seem to be the answer.


Granted, not having the Relay for Life at the high school, after having it here for many years was really bad manners to me. The Relay for Life is a genuinely good thing and it is wonderful to raise the spirit of those currently battling cancer and to celebrate those who have survived, and to remember those we have lost. It is a fundraiser for the American Cancer Society and a good one.

If I could only donate to ONE, would I choose the Relay for Life, A multi-discipline Cancer Hospital or Cancer Research? I think that is a personal choice but I resent having the choice of Relay for Life taken from me.

I still can't see what the developer would gain, having Moffit on the grounds.

[Taj44]

Russ, I have never said I was against the Moffitt affiliate in TV. What I have always tried to get across is the means used to get donations. We were told it would take donations to get the affiliate here, it won't. We were told the developer donated the land and building, he didn't. Daily Sun bombards us repeatedly with heart-wrenching stories meant to play on the goodness of Villagers. They also stated a cancer patient went to Tampa for cancer treatment, she didn't it was Shands. All this misrepresentation to play on our hearts knowing the sympathy card could not be played with a full disclosure. I also resent being asked to help open a business to compete with an already-established one who paid their own way to be able to serve us here in TV. Against Moffitt no, against Villagers being taken advantage of, yes.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/images/smilies/spoken.gif

Very nicely stated, AJ. We're not againt apple pie, Mom, and cancer treatment, just don't like being duped.

[ajakk]

I do not see what the developer would get out of it.

This article in the Orlando Sentinel might shed some light on what is involved here.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/os-lk-lauren-ritchie-relay-for-life-v20110206,0,4248287.column

[saratogaman]

That's about it, Russ. There are those here who feel they were not up front with us. The Developer took us for granted by "volunteering us" to pick up the tab for the big bucks equipment. We were led to believe he was donating the land and building. The bottom line is, it was very badly handled from a PR angle.

RBOI didn't help matters with their ad blitz.

I am not sure of the extent of dissatisfaction outside this forum. It is not a subject of conversation in any group I am familiar with. (Of which I am familiar?)

I think the POA is doing a good job keeping us informed.

It's topic of wide interest in my neighborhood...!

[Russ_Boston]

I would think that just moving the event wouldn't stop most people who supported it from attending. That would be kind of shallow don't you think?

I don't really understand why it was moved. My logic above also would make you think that there is room enough for both fund raisers.

I do know that fund raising can be a dog eat dog kind of thing. Sad.

[mrdills]

I personally think the Morris family is showing its true colors, its all about the money., very sad :cry:

[bimmertl]

I would think that just moving the event wouldn't stop most people who supported it from attending. That would be kind of shallow don't you think?

I don't really understand why it was moved. My logic above also would make you think that there is room enough for both fund raisers.

I do know that fund raising can be a dog eat dog kind of thing. Sad.

Let's see, Relay for Life was denied use of last years site, so it couldn't be held there, so it had to be moved elsewhere. Hope that helps you understand.

Nice of you to call prior years participants "shallow" if they fail to participate in a much smaller venue offering limited amenities.

If I recall correctly, Russ plans on working for the Villages Hospital when he moves to the Villages. His pandering to the Morse fund raiser seems to be nothing more than padding his resume so all the Morse minions who monitor this site remember him when he shows up hat in hand at their doorstep looking for work.

[Whalen]

1. I would think that just moving the event wouldn't stop most people who supported it from attending. That would be kind of shallow don't you think?

2. I don't really understand why it was moved. My logic above also would make you think that there is room enough for both fund raisers.

I do know that fund raising can be a dog eat dog kind of thing. Sad.


1. What would they attend? Please explain how an event of this magnitude can be relocated to a new venue in just less than 6 months?

2. You'll have to ask the developer this question.
Technically it wasn't moved, the developer told the organizers that the annual Relay event would not be allowed to take place on Village property.

3. That doesn't excuse the behavior.

[Russ_Boston]

1. What would they attend? Please explain how an event of this magnitude can be relocated to a new venue in just less than 6 months?

2. You'll have to ask the developer this question.
Technically it wasn't moved, the developer told the organizers that the annual Relay event would not be allowed to take place on Village property.

3. That doesn't excuse the behavior.


my answers:

1. Absolutely could be moved. Why would a location stop any participant from attending?

2. Agree, it should be on TV property.

3. Agree.

[Russ_Boston]

Let's see, Relay for Life was denied use of last years site, so it couldn't be held there, so it had to be moved elsewhere. Hope that helps you understand.

Nice of you to call prior years participants "shallow" if they fail to participate in a much smaller venue offering limited amenities.

If I recall correctly, Russ plans on working for the Villages Hospital when he moves to the Villages. His pandering to the Morse fund raiser seems to be nothing more than padding his resume so all the Morse minions who monitor this site remember him when he shows up hat in hand at their doorstep looking for work.

My answers:

Yes I understand that TV denied use of their property. Agree that is wrong.

And yes if someone doesn't go to this year's event based solely on location then that is a 'them' problem. I would support it regardless of location. You can always find a ride with someone if this event is not golf cart accessible.

As far as your point about my profession goes - laughable. I've already interviewed at TVRH over a year ago and have been in constant contact with them regarding RN openings. They have no clue about TOTV nor do they care. They require outstanding professionals to do their job - nothing more, nothing less.

My bottom line is and always has been: More care centers means more opportunities for those afflicted with a horrible condition to have a choice. I'm a nurse, would you expect me to say anything else?!

[nitakk]

Couldn't help but notice The Shadow's post was deleted. While I agree he is out there sometimes, can the moderator who is undoubtedly monitoring this site today please explain why? I have seen a lot worse on TOV - just maybe not at the Morse family. What's up???

[tony]

Discussion on this topic is strong, to say the least, but it has been mostly germane to the topic and non-inflammatory.

[Whalen]

my answers:

1. Absolutely could be moved. Why would a location stop any participant from attending?

2. Agree, it should be on TV property.

3. Agree.

Absolutely?

This is not just a walk around the block.

At last year's event there were thousands of participants, many stayed through the night.
For starters you need a venue large enough to hold all the people, tents, displays etc., overnight lighting,
parking, toilet facilities, water, emergency and medical people on hand, that's just off the top of my head.
I'm sure there is much more.

As to what will stop people from coming, it will be off property... you won't be able to get there in a golf cart.

[redwitch]

If there hadn't been the sharing issue, I'm sure the Morses could have easily found another venue. I do not think the loss of the high school field was due to the Morses. That was the school's decision because of work on the field. However, I think the Polo Fields could have easily accommdated Relay for Life.

I don't like the facts that (1) Moffitt coming to TV was an after-thought (Moffitt announced it was coming to Leesburg and someone decided we should have one on campus; (2) that any chairty held in TV has to share its proceeds with Moffitt; (3) the duplicitousness of "donating" the land and building when the reality is anything but a donation; (4) that TV is losing Relay for Life because of the selfishness and greed of the developer; (5) that IF donation goals are not met, the funds will be taken out of the Brownwood hospital, which is truly needed.

To accuse Russ of being a shill for the hospital in any way, shape or form is beyond the pale. He's been a caring member of TOTV for a long, long time. He loves TV. He happens to have opinions about the TV Moffitt Center that I don't agree with, but that doesn't make him any less of a person or a valued member of this forum any more than it does me. As he has said repeatedly, you can choose to contibute or not. He has chosen to contribute. I have chosen to not contribute.

And I really, really wish I had seen The Shadow's post. My curiosity is killing me!

[graciegirl]

If there hadn't been the sharing issue, I'm sure the Morses could have easily found another venue. I do not think the loss of the high school field was due to the Morses. That was the school's decision because of work on the field. However, I think the Polo Fields could have easily accommdated Relay for Life.

I don't like the facts that (1) Moffitt coming to TV was an after-thought (Moffitt announced it was coming to Leesburg and someone decided we should have one on campus; (2) that any chairty held in TV has to share its proceeds with Moffitt; (3) the duplicitousness of "donating" the land and building when the reality is anything but a donation; (4) that TV is losing Relay for Life because of the selfishness and greed of the developer; (5) that IF donation goals are not met, the funds will be taken out of the Brownwood hospital, which is truly needed.

To accuse Russ of being a shill for the hospital in any way, shape or form is beyond the pale. He's been a caring member of TOTV for a long, long time. He loves TV. He happens to have opinions about the TV Moffitt Center that I don't agree with, but that doesn't make him any less of a person or a valued member of this forum any more than it does me. As he has said repeatedly, you can choose to contibute or not. He has chosen to contribute. I have chosen to not contribute.

And I really, really wish I had seen The Shadow's post. My curiosity is killing me!

Me too Red! And I agree with you about Russ Boston.

I think in five years, when this has passed, and Moffitt Center is built and the Relay for Life is here again, and none of us will know any more about what the Morse family are really, really like.

We will continue to speculate about this family who has built this lovely place and gotten rich off of it.

Some of us won't like them at all, and some of us won't care, and some people will marvel at their business acumen....But we (us lucky villagers) will be here enjoying this place...I hope.

[Bogie Shooter]

Let's see, Relay for Life was denied use of last years site, so it couldn't be held there, so it had to be moved elsewhere. Hope that helps you understand.

Nice of you to call prior years participants "shallow" if they fail to participate in a much smaller venue offering limited amenities.

If I recall correctly, Russ plans on working for the Villages Hospital when he moves to the Villages. His pandering to the Morse fund raiser seems to be nothing more than padding his resume so all the Morse minions who monitor this site remember him when he shows up hat in hand at their doorstep looking for work.

You are way off base in making this statement.

[barb1191]

Let's see, Relay for Life was denied use of last years site, so it couldn't be held there, so it had to be moved elsewhere. Hope that helps you understand.

Nice of you to call prior years participants "shallow" if they fail to participate in a much smaller venue offering limited amenities.

If I recall correctly, Russ plans on working for the Villages Hospital when he moves to the Villages. His pandering to the Morse fund raiser seems to be nothing more than padding his resume so all the Morse minions who monitor this site remember him when he shows up hat in hand at their doorstep looking for work.

You are way off base in making this statement.

Bogie Shooter..... This happens to be true that Russ has mentioned a number of times of his intentions to seek employment here in TV hospital. The statement is the truth which is more than what we've heard from the powers-that-be regarding this disgusting situation. It had entered my mind more than a few times that Russ would, naturally, be in favor of the developer's plans as this will be a part of his (Russ') planned future. Nothing wrong with the truth, is there?

I believe that you're hitting the wrong target as far as "off base" is concerned; in my opinion the developer is waaaaaay "off base." Russ is merely taking the high road and who can blame him? He's looking toward his future and good luck to you, Russ.

[Larry Wilson]

Just came back from my golf group. Eight full timers are so sorry they were duped( great ads in the Sun and front page news, shows etc.) into giving donations to Moffitt as they are learning more and more.
I would trust the Orlando Sentinel and certain posters before I would trust The Sun and other posters. So much for my 2 cents, off to a Super Bowl party!

[Russ_Boston]

Ok everyone figured me out.

Yes, I'll admit, I've been planning this for 3 1/2 years. I knew the day would come when I could kiss CFHA's ass through TOTV. It was a masterful plan. I would lead an argument in favor of CFHA in hopes of landing an RN job that pays 50% of what I make in Boston.

You guys are geniuses for seeing right through my charade! :)

[Bogie Shooter]

Bogie Shooter..... This happens to be true that Russ has mentioned a number of times of his intentions to seek employment here in TV hospital. The statement is the truth which is more than what we've heard from the powers-that-be regarding this disgusting situation. It had entered my mind more than a few times that Russ would, naturally, be in favor of the developer's plans as this will be a part of his (Russ') planned future. Nothing wrong with the truth, is there?

I believe that you're hitting the wrong target as far as "off base" is concerned; in my opinion the developer is waaaaaay "off base." Russ is merely taking the high road and who can blame him? He's looking toward his future and good luck to you, Russ.
If I recall correctly, Russ plans on working for the Villages Hospital when he moves to the Villages. His pandering to the Morse fund raiser seems to be nothing more than padding his resume so all the Morse minions who monitor this site remember him when he shows up hat in hand at their doorstep looking for work.
Agree, I knew Russ has indicated he wants a nurses job when he gets to TV.
I feel this was far too strong a statement to be made. Sorry, If you don't agree with my opinion.

[barb1191]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/os-lk-lauren-ritchie-moffitt-cancer-c20110126,0,1664811.column?page=2&track=rss

Not sure if this has been posted before...FYI At the bottom of Page 1 in this article scroll down to read two more links relative to this hot topic that may be of interest.

[Russ_Boston]

His pandering to the Morse fund raiser seems to be nothing more than padding his resume so all the Morse minions who monitor this site remember him when he shows up hat in hand at their doorstep looking for work.

By the way just to get the facts correct (why should we let truth get in the way of a good argument:)): Morse family does not own CFHA in any shape or form. So why would the Morse minions who monitor this site (debatable on its face) care if I work for CFHA? Never mind help me get a job there. Ludicrous.

[redwitch]

Sigh! It really is a shame this has become a thread of personal attacks. Sorry, but it really makes no sense whatsoever that Russ would "pander" or brown-nose or kiss a rear or two to get a job here. He's a nurse -- they're in high demand. As a nurse, his viewpoint is that Moffitt is a good thing. To me, it really is that plain and simple. It has nothing to do with his wanting a job here. That he'll easily get regardless of his viewpoints of Moffitt.

Do I think Russ and most of the other pro-Moffitt people "get" it? Not really. I understand the concept that they feel the more ways to help fight cancer, the better. I don't understand how they can support a medical center that is truly superfluous; has been shown that the people building it have basically used fraudulent tactics to get that center in this location; have taken from other charities. But, those that support a TV Moffitt Center are doing what they feel is right and that really is the bottom line. It is all any of us can do.

So, could we please quit with the name-calling and accusations between members? It is demeaning to all of us. Don't turn this into the political forum.

Stick to the facts and your opinions of those facts. Don't get mired down in the fact someone believes differently than you. As has been said, TV Moffitt will be built regardless of what any of us feel. We can choose to support it or not. If we ever get cancer and are lucky enough to be able to afford treatment there, we can go there or to Shands or to Moffitt-Tampa or wherever. We all have choices.

[nkrifats]

Sigh! It really is a shame this has become a thread of personal attacks. Sorry, but it really makes no sense whatsoever that Russ would "pander" or brown-nose or kiss a rear or two to get a job here. He's a nurse -- they're in high demand. As a nurse, his viewpoint is that Moffitt is a good thing. To me, it really is that plain and simple. It has nothing to do with his wanting a job here. That he'll easily get regardless of his viewpoints of Moffitt.

Do I think Russ and most of the other pro-Moffitt people "get" it? Not really. I understand the concept that they feel the more ways to help fight cancer, the better. I don't understand how they can support a medical center that is truly superfluous; has been shown that the people building it have basically used fraudulent tactics to get that center in this location; have taken from other charities. But, those that support a TV Moffitt Center are doing what they feel is right and that really is the bottom line. It is all any of us can do.

So, could we please quit with the name-calling and accusations between members? It is demeaning to all of us. Don't turn this into the political forum.

Stick to the facts and your opinions of those facts. Don't get mired down in the fact someone believes differently than you. As has been said, TV Moffitt will be built regardless of what any of us feel. We can choose to support it or not. If we ever get cancer and are lucky enough to be able to afford treatment there, we can go there or to Shands or to Moffitt-Tampa or wherever. We all have choices.

Thanks Red

[graciegirl]

Sigh! It really is a shame this has become a thread of personal attacks. Sorry, but it really makes no sense whatsoever that Russ would "pander" or brown-nose or kiss a rear or two to get a job here. He's a nurse -- they're in high demand. As a nurse, his viewpoint is that Moffitt is a good thing. To me, it really is that plain and simple. It has nothing to do with his wanting a job here. That he'll easily get regardless of his viewpoints of Moffitt.

Do I think Russ and most of the other pro-Moffitt people "get" it? Not really. I understand the concept that they feel the more ways to help fight cancer, the better. I don't understand how they can support a medical center that is truly superfluous; has been shown that the people building it have basically used fraudulent tactics to get that center in this location; have taken from other charities. But, those that support a TV Moffitt Center are doing what they feel is right and that really is the bottom line. It is all any of us can do.

So, could we please quit with the name-calling and accusations between members? It is demeaning to all of us. Don't turn this into the political forum.

Stick to the facts and your opinions of those facts. Don't get mired down in the fact someone believes differently than you. As has been said, TV Moffitt will be built regardless of what any of us feel. We can choose to support it or not. If we ever get cancer and are lucky enough to be able to afford treatment there, we can go there or to Shands or to Moffitt-Tampa or wherever. We all have choices.

You are one clear headed little redheaded witch...And I likes ya.

[downeaster]

Sigh! It really is a shame this has become a thread of personal attacks. Sorry, but it really makes no sense whatsoever that Russ would "pander" or brown-nose or kiss a rear or two to get a job here. He's a nurse -- they're in high demand. As a nurse, his viewpoint is that Moffitt is a good thing. To me, it really is that plain and simple. It has nothing to do with his wanting a job here. That he'll easily get regardless of his viewpoints of Moffitt.

Do I think Russ and most of the other pro-Moffitt people "get" it? Not really. I understand the concept that they feel the more ways to help fight cancer, the better. I don't understand how they can support a medical center that is truly superfluous; has been shown that the people building it have basically used fraudulent tactics to get that center in this location; have taken from other charities. But, those that support a TV Moffitt Center are doing what they feel is right and that really is the bottom line. It is all any of us can do.

So, could we please quit with the name-calling and accusations between members? It is demeaning to all of us. Don't turn this into the political forum.

Stick to the facts and your opinions of those facts. Don't get mired down in the fact someone believes differently than you. As has been said, TV Moffitt will be built regardless of what any of us feel. We can choose to support it or not. If we ever get cancer and are lucky enough to be able to afford treatment there, we can go there or to Shands or to Moffitt-Tampa or wherever. We all have choices.

I am in total agreement with your position especially the portion I highlighted. If I were an HR person with CFHA and had followed this thread and Russ came knocking on my door looking for a job I would hire him in a minute. Not because of his position on Moffitt but because of the way he has conducted himself here.

Personal attacks here are uncalled for and downright rude.

I am not real happy about the way the Moffitt situation has been handled but I respect the opinions of those who disagree with my position

[Jane52]

It is appalling that anyone would drag a message writer's employment search or aspirations into this rag session over the CLOTHESLINE.

To even mention him by name is appalling, much less disparage his motives in seeking a job. This is disgusting and low-class. There's no need to mention names--the posts are all numbered and some have referred to them by number. The whole thing stinks.

[ajakk]

Sigh! It really is a shame this has become a thread of personal attacks. Sorry, but it really makes no sense whatsoever that Russ would "pander" or brown-nose or kiss a rear or two to get a job here. He's a nurse -- they're in high demand. As a nurse, his viewpoint is that Moffitt is a good thing. To me, it really is that plain and simple. It has nothing to do with his wanting a job here. That he'll easily get regardless of his viewpoints of Moffitt.


:agree:

[ajakk]

Morse family does not own CFHA in any shape or form. So why would the Morse minions who monitor this site (debatable on its face) care if I work for CFHA? Never mind help me get a job there. Ludicrous.

Russ, please post where you got this information. I would like to get a copy for myself.
If you think this site is not monitored try to post an opinion like the Shadow did.

[redwitch]

AJ, the administrators do monitor this site, but they have nothing to do with the Morses. Tony said he removed The Shadow's post. The admins do remove posts they feel are inappropriate for whatever reason.

Russ was saying that he wasn't convinced that the developer has any of his employees monitor this site. I agree 100% with him on this one. I'm sure there are TV employees who read and possibly even post here, but I don't think there is anyone assigned to specifically monitor this site for the developer, even though I wouldn't be surprised if some of the threads were mentioned to the higher ups and even possibly forwarded to them.

[herbaru]

Boy I wonder what Shadow said that was so bad that admin felt it needed to be removed, and I question why the admins did not remove the slanderous remark toward Russ?

[ajakk]

I don't think there is anyone assigned to specifically monitor this site for the developer, even though I wouldn't be surprised if some of the threads were mentioned to the higher ups and even possibly forwarded to them.

:agree:

[Advogado]

Just came back from my golf group. Eight full timers are so sorry they were duped( great ads in the Sun and front page news, shows etc.) into giving donations to Moffitt as they are learning more and more.
I would trust the Orlando Sentinel and certain posters before I would trust The Sun and other posters. So much for my 2 cents, off to a Super Bowl party!

Just curious: Why don't your friends ask for their money back? Under the circumstances, I would think that they would be entitled to it.

[iaudit]

Looks like the villages is not the only community that is getting Moffit access, here is an article from the Lehigh Valley in Pennsylvania announcing an affiliation:

http://www.mcall.com/health/mc-allentown-cancer-moffitt-20110208,0,1277526.story

[graciegirl]

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[SALYBOW]

I received an announcement today which stated that the building of a Moffit Center in Leesburg is being suspended. That means that the one in The Villages will serve both areas. That certainly the building makes our center more of a necessity. I know the construction on ours is underway but am not sure when they plan its completion.

[graciegirl]

:angel::wave::popcorn:

[Xavier]

I received an announcement today which stated that the building of a Moffit Center in Leesburg is being suspended. That means that the one in The Villages will serve both areas. That certainly the building makes our center more of a necessity. I know the construction on ours is underway but am not sure when they plan its completion.

I think I heard a tentative November completion.

Xavier

[Challenger]

I think I heard a tentative November completion.

Xavier

Sounds like good news to me, but never quite sure until TOTVer's have weighed in.

[Number 6]

This is good news. I am sure that the financial feasibility study only called for one center, given the potential utilization. Now there will be more patients seen at the Villages center and that will justify the cost. Look at it this way, there is half the equipment and consturction cost with esentially the same number of patients and therefore the same income. Now CFHA does not need to rasie the money for the equipment. Not that that is a bad thing.
I seem to remember that this is sometihing that we asked for some time ago; one center, in the Villages!

[Russ_Boston]

There was a story the other day in a local Boston business mag (I wish I had a link reference) about the proliferation of cancer centers in the eastern MA area. Even though almost every hospital of note was building a new center they all felt they would be profit centers for the hospital. The Big C is Big B!

[SALYBOW]

Actually the reason the building is suspended is that medicare has cut back on what they pay and they have reduced the payment to Leesburg by 12%. They now realize that it would become a losing endeavor. No matter how you feel about the Moffit center build, the cut back in medicare payments will negatively affect all of us. I just read on the net that Medicare and SS are going to go broke sooner than they expected. Maybe this is cruel but when I see that we send billions of dollars to other countries, I wonder why SS is running out of money. Shouldn't we take care of those folks that sent all the money to the government to provide for their own security before we help the rest of the world. We know that there are not enough people coming up to adequately fund SS and Medicare so there needs to be some other policy changes, other than reducing the payback to the people involved. JMHO

[graciegirl]

Actually the reason the building is suspended is that medicare has cut back on what they pay and they have reduced the payment to Leesburg by 12%. They now realize that it would become a losing endeavor. No matter how you feel about the Moffit center build, the cut back in medicare payments will negatively affect all of us. I just read on the net that Medicare and SS are going to go broke sooner than they expected. Maybe this is cruel but when I see that we send billions of dollars to other countries, I wonder why SS is running out of money. Shouldn't we take care of those folks that sent all the money to the government to provide for their own security before we help the rest of the world. We know that there are not enough people coming up to adequately fund SS and Medicare so there needs to be some other policy changes, other than reducing the payback to the people involved. JMHO

You are right as usual. Where are you from?:wave:

[Number 6]

There was a story the other day in a local Boston business mag (I wish I had a link reference) about the proliferation of cancer centers in the eastern MA area. Even though almost every hospital of note was building a new center they all felt they would be profit centers for the hospital. The Big C is Big B!

Yes, radiation oncology is still big bucks IF there are enough patients to support it. There are huge fixed costs that need a decent number of patients to support it. It finally stuck the good folks at CFHA that they were going to have to front the equipment and construction costs for two centers. As I said, I think this worked out for the best.
Medicare cut radiation oncology reimbursement by 1% for the last two years. This still leaves a heck of a margin. Not bad when you look at what they did to medical oncology.

[Number 6]

And here is the article from the Orlando Sentinel confirming this.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-05-23/news/os-lk-leesburg-moffitt-cancer-center-20110523_1_central-florida-health-alliance-leesburg-hospital-leesburg-facility

[graciegirl]

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[whartonjelly]

It was so conveniet to be 1 minute and 20 seconds away from our hospital , when my 90 year old mother needed radiation for an oral cancer. She is 94 now and never suffered from long rides to and from. i am not into politics. As Dr. House says on the television show says, "everybody lies". Sad but true.

[Fisherman]

Moffitt Cancer Center in Villages is not what you think it is. If you want professional, well educated, organized and a truly functional treatment plan by Drs that are passionate about a cure, you MUST go to Tampa. The only part here in the Villages that is a part of Moffitt is the radiation oncology department with only three people employed by Moffitt and they need a lot of improvement to meet the quality standards of Moffitt in Tampa.

[lovesports]

Moffitt Cancer Center in Villages is not what you think it is. If you want professional, well educated, organized and a truly functional treatment plan by Drs that are passionate about a cure, you MUST go to Tampa. The only part here in the Villages that is a part of Moffitt is the radiation oncology department with only three people employed by Moffitt and they need a lot of improvement to meet the quality standards of Moffitt in Tampa.

You are so right!!!!

[Russ_Boston]

I know some changes are coming in the oncology care at CFHA - stay tuned!