Anyone watch that ufo hearing in congress?

[Lottoguy]

Last year opened the door with the first Congressional UFO hearing. Yesterday was the second of what is promised to be many. I'm looking forward to the next one because these testimonies have been real eye openers that everyone should watch.

[Velvet]

I was reading about it in The Wall Street Journal… creepy… expected but still…

[fdpaq0580]

Sorry I missed it. 👽👽👽

[rjm1cc]

Is there any country that says they have seen a UFO?

[coralway]

After a few beers, UFOs seem to be everywhere. It’s quite a coincidence.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Oh yes, the underwater orb-growing business. I saw a clip of it. I was mostly just very sad for our country that people who are in positions of power actually believe this tripe.

[fdpaq0580]

Oh yes, the underwater orb-growing business. I saw a clip of it. I was mostly just very sad for our country that people who are in positions of power actually believe this tripe.

Unidentified Flying Object! You have never seen something that you couldn't identify? I have. Many times. But (big "but"), that doesn't translate automatically to believing in flying saucers, little green men, ghosts or sasquatch. Just interesting phenomena that are currently not understood. In my book, weird is wonderful and mysterious is marvelous. How boring life would be without a few mysteries to solve.
And don't be sad for our country alone. The world is full of folks that believe all kinds of bs. Our country is no more immune than any other.
Maybe one day, if we survive, humans may run out of things to stir our imagination, but I don't think so.

[Velvet]

WSJ:

Luis Elizondo (former Department of Defense official)

“Let me be clear: UAP are real,” said Elizondo, who added that much of his government work is still classified. “Advanced technologies not made by our government, or any other government, are monitoring sensitive military installations around the globe.”

During questioning by Mace, Elizondo said that the government has a secret UAP crash retrieval program to identify and reverse engineer aircraft it finds.
…
In 2021, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence released a report reviewing dozens of reports of mysterious flying objects between 2004 and 2021. The report identified several objects that appeared to use technology beyond the known capabilities of U.S. or adversary technology.

[Topspinmo]

Why? Either believer or non believer and not going to convince either one.

[Velvet]

Just my impression, science is not a matter of belief, but the information is kept quiet to avoid possible panic.

[eyc234]

Repeating what top space scientist has said. So an advanced race that can move across space from a planet outside our solar system, 4.2 light years away(5.8786E+12 miles x 4.2) and they crash on our planet. They are also advanced enough to make this trip but are so scared of us that they do not make contact. Then there is the lack of proof, with approximately 15 billion cellphones in the world that can capture everything in our life in clear color both as still pictures and video but there is not one clear undeniable picture or video ever presented. As for the conspiracies that governments are keeping things secret, that means that not one of the thousands of people in the government and outside contractors has not come forward with undeniable proof, just saying something is not proof, that all of the governments around the world are in cahoots to keep this information secret. Someone in the last 75 years would have needed or wanted to get rich by being the first to put this proof out and cash in. :shrug:

[ThirdOfFive]

UFO existence (or not) has for at least the past century been the playground for wackos. Reports of alien abductions seem to follow a general pattern: artists' conceptions of the technology of the aliens, as of the time of the report, always seem to reflect the technology of the time. Example: I watched The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951 version) last night. Fascinating how the view screen in Klaatu's space ship looked like, and fired up the same way as the televisions of the time, and anything and everything assumedly electronic was represented in flashing lights and escalating beeps. I have little doubt that the reports of alien contact at the time, and for some time after, looked pretty much the same.

How many such "reports" are factual only in the fevered minds of the person(s) doing the reporting?

Nevertheless, if there have been (say) 10,000 such reports and only one is true--then the other 9,999 don't really matter.

[Velvet]

I’m not sure how it would benefit the Defence Department to make something like this up, but personally I have never seen a UFO.

[fdpaq0580]

I’m not sure how it would benefit the Defence Department to make something like this up, but personally I have never seen a UFO.

Would you like to? Would you enjoy/fear seeing something that seemed "unusual" or unreal?
I have been fortunate to have seen, heard, smelled things I could not identify. Sometimes it is exciting. Sometimes it is frightening. But, it reminds me that more things in the universe then our tiny minds can imagine.

[graciegirl]

Is there any country that says they have seen a UFO?

I saw it discussed too on News Nation. I really do not think they exist, but it appears that more than half of the American public do think they exist.

I am trying to keep an open mind.

[fdpaq0580]

I saw it discussed too on News Nation. I really do not think they exist, but it appears that more than half of the American public do think they exist.

I am trying to keep an open mind.

Remember, the first letter of UFO, uap, etc, is "U", which stands for "Unidentified". It doesn't necessarily mean aliens, monsters, or even something real.
And please keep your mind open. A closed mind is a rotting, stagnant stew that produces nothing good.
Nanunanu!

[michgary]

Congressional hearing 2023 ,, you can either believe this whistle blower, or think he is a big fat liar ... there is much more testimony this is just a snippet..:shocked:

‘Non-human’ biological material from UFO recovered, says US officer | News | Independent TV (https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/non-human-biological-material-ufo-us-whistleblower-b2382807.html)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Unidentified Flying Object! You have never seen something that you couldn't identify? I have. Many times. But (big "but"), that doesn't translate automatically to believing in flying saucers, little green men, ghosts or sasquatch. Just interesting phenomena that are currently not understood. In my book, weird is wonderful and mysterious is marvelous. How boring life would be without a few mysteries to solve.
And don't be sad for our country alone. The world is full of folks that believe all kinds of bs. Our country is no more immune than any other.
Maybe one day, if we survive, humans may run out of things to stir our imagination, but I don't think so.

I absolutely believe in life on other planets, and I absolutely believe it's possible that we've been visited by entities from those other planets.

But there's a difference between believing in its existence and believing in some vast conspiracy that the government is farming alien orbs under the ocean surface and that this conspiracy must be exposed, by government officials, on the taxpayer dime, just to prove that the government person(s) attempting to expose this insanity actually DOES something while employed by the taxpayer.

Time can be better spent investigating why clothes driers collect lint that has to be manually removed, and not chemically disintegrated instead.

[Topspinmo]

I rest my case.

[Topspinmo]

UFO existence (or not) has for at least the past century been the playground for wackos. Reports of alien abductions seem to follow a general pattern: artists' conceptions of the technology of the aliens, as of the time of the report, always seem to reflect the technology of the time. Example: I watched The Day The Earth Stood Still (1951 version) last night. Fascinating how the view screen in Klaatu's space ship looked like, and fired up the same way as the televisions of the time, and anything and everything assumedly electronic was represented in flashing lights and escalating beeps. I have little doubt that the reports of alien contact at the time, and for some time after, looked pretty much the same.

How many such "reports" are factual only in the fevered minds of the person(s) doing the reporting?

Nevertheless, if there have been (say) 10,000 such reports and only one is true--then the other 9,999 don't really matter.
Roswell was biggest cover up is American history.

[fdpaq0580]

Time can be better spent investigating why clothes driers collect lint that has to be manually removed, and not chemically disintegrated instead.

I don't know about "disintegrated", but I think incinerated is very possible. However, using "bug zapper" technology to incinerate lint would likely leave some kind of ash residue, the smoke/gas given off may be toxic, and there would be concerns for safety and energy usage. Not worth the trouble, imo. If you really don't want to use your fingers, use a small hand vacume to suck the lint off the screen. Just a thought.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I don't know about "disintegrated", but I think incinerated is very possible. However, using "bug zapper" technology to incinerate lint would likely leave some kind of ash residue, the smoke/gas given off may be toxic, and there would be concerns for safety and energy usage. Not worth the trouble, imo. If you really don't want to use your fingers, use a small hand vacume to suck the lint off the screen. Just a thought.

The point: Time and taxpayer dollars can be better spent by government on ridiculously mundane issues of no real importance, rather than on "uncovering" a "conspiracy" of space alien orb farms under the ocean surface.

[fdpaq0580]

The point: Time and taxpayer dollars can be better spent by government on ridiculously mundane issues of no real importance, rather than on "uncovering" a "conspiracy" of space alien orb farms under the ocean surface.

Forget the orb farms. If Isreal is our friend, how about letting us get some Jewish space lasers for our military. And what are the orbs good for? Tech? Food? Energy? Why won't anyone tell us any anything? Inquiring minds want to know, dagnabbit! 🤬

[Ptmcbriz]

I have seen things through my telescope I cannot explain. I’ve seen rainbow colored light that looks like a star, but when I looked at it through the telescope, the ball of light morphed into a solid craft, then within seconds morphed back into a ball of colorful undulating light, almost like it had the appearance of a ball of colorful mercury. For a lack of a better term I call them plasma ships. I’ve actually seen several. However, only once did I see it change shape into a solid spacecraft.

[ElDiabloJoe]

...
I have been fortunate to have seen, heard, smelled things I could not identify. Sometimes it is exciting. Sometimes it is frightening...

Sorry, that was probably my laundry.

[Regorp]

Last year opened the door with the first Congressional UFO hearing. Yesterday was the second of what is promised to be many. I'm looking forward to the next one because these testimonies have been real eye openers that everyone should watch.

There is evidence worldwide of visits by extraterrestrial beings with paintings on walls and much more for thousands of years. Watch Ancient Aliens and see the proof

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Forget the orb farms. If Isreal is our friend, how about letting us get some Jewish space lasers for our military. And what are the orbs good for? Tech? Food? Energy? Why won't anyone tell us any anything? Inquiring minds want to know, dagnabbit! 🤬

I'm Jewish. I have exactly seven space lasers. I'll give you one of them in exchange for lifetime comprehensive health care with 0 premium, 0 copay, 0 deductible, 0 out of pocket expense, including prescription meds, durable medical equipment, vision, and dental.

You wouldn't be able to control the weather in California with it but you should be able to water your lawn every 2nd day with 15 minutes of rain, and add a shield to the atmosphere over your head for when everyone else's hurricanes and tornadoes start coming through.

Whatcha say hm?

[fdpaq0580]

Roswell was biggest cover up is American history.

Big, for sure. But, not the biggest.
😎 Trust me.

[fdpaq0580]

I'm Jewish. I have exactly seven space lasers. I'll give you one of them in exchange for lifetime comprehensive health care with 0 premium, 0 copay, 0 deductible, 0 out of pocket expense, including prescription meds, durable medical equipment, vision, and dental.

You wouldn't be able to control the weather in California with it but you should be able to water your lawn every 2nd day with 15 minutes of rain, and add a shield to the atmosphere over your head for when everyone else's hurricanes and tornadoes start coming through.

Whatcha say hm?

My Best Man at my wedding was Jewish. Can you get it for wholesale? After all, we are almost family.

[jimjamuser]

Repeating what top space scientist has said. So an advanced race that can move across space from a planet outside our solar system, 4.2 light years away(5.8786E+12 miles x 4.2) and they crash on our planet. They are also advanced enough to make this trip but are so scared of us that they do not make contact. Then there is the lack of proof, with approximately 15 billion cellphones in the world that can capture everything in our life in clear color both as still pictures and video but there is not one clear undeniable picture or video ever presented. As for the conspiracies that governments are keeping things secret, that means that not one of the thousands of people in the government and outside contractors has not come forward with undeniable proof, just saying something is not proof, that all of the governments around the world are in cahoots to keep this information secret. Someone in the last 75 years would have needed or wanted to get rich by being the first to put this proof out and cash in. :shrug:
The rationale of the pro-alien people would be that the aliens being so advanced are able to get here and NOT be detected. Their advanced science means that they have great intellectual capacity and CURIOSITY. So they want to study us like humans study animals in a zoo. They don't want to have contact with us because they want their observational experiment to stay PURE. Our wars and nation-state competitions may be something they want to study because they HAD similarities in their long distant history.

[jimjamuser]

I have seen things through my telescope I cannot explain. I’ve seen rainbow colored light that looks like a star, but when I looked at it through the telescope, the ball of light morphed into a solid craft, then within seconds morphed back into a ball of colorful undulating light, almost like it had the appearance of a ball of colorful mercury. For a lack of a better term I call them plasma ships. I’ve actually seen several. However, only once did I see it change shape into a solid spacecraft.
I have to say that seems like an interesting experience.

[SHIBUMI]

I was abducted as a young young child. I was put into an oxygen chamber and fed thru a tube so they didn't have to touch me.

They ran all kinds of tests on me but I could never see them. At one point I realized they were taking pictures as well for their files.

When I finally left the chamber, it was a real shock. I cried but I could breathe and see them. They were huge and odd looking. Big Hair, Big Teeth, Big Noses. But they were not mad. Just the opposite, they seemed to be smiling a lot.

After a short while I began to understand their language. It frightened me. They were talking about a tooth fairy , a Loch Ness monster, a Santa Claus, a Big Foot, equal rights for all under the law, UFO's, UAP's.

I suddenly realized they were from another world!:wave:


chamberLast year opened the door with the first Congressional UFO hearing. Yesterday was the second of what is promised to be many. I'm looking forward to the next one because these testimonies have been real eye openers that everyone should watch.

[Marine1974]

Last year opened the door with the first Congressional UFO hearing. Yesterday was the second of what is promised to be many. I'm looking forward to the next one because these testimonies have been real eye openers that everyone should watch.
It has been reported by the astronaut orbiting the moon while the moon lander was on the moon a UFO was following his craft for 5 orbits around the moon . The public feed was stopped .
But that said , I don’t trust government funding of programs
like transgender monkeys.

[MorTech]

Extraterrestrial conscious beings almost certainly exist in the universe but they will never have the ability to get here...Nor will we be able to get there. It's a physics problem. Don't be so gullible.

[swooner]

Who cares"

[Taltarzac725]

I saw it discussed too on News Nation. I really do not think they exist, but it appears that more than half of the American public do think they exist.

I am trying to keep an open mind.

Any intelligent peaceful watcher of earth 2024 would be heading as fast as possible away from us. Now if it were in the other meaning of "to serve man" maybe they would be sticking around.

[fdpaq0580]

Extraterrestrial conscious beings almost certainly exist in the universe but they will never have the ability to get here...Nor will we be able to get there. It's a physics problem. Don't be so gullible.

Strike "conscious" (as opposed to unconscious), insert "sentient".
As to traveling, problems are there for us to solve. And the solution is nearer than you can imagine. Don't be so closed minded.

[fdpaq0580]

Any intelligent peaceful watcher of earth 2024 would be heading as fast as possible away from us. Now if it were in the other meaning of "to serve man" maybe they would be sticking around.

Peace loving ETs able to come here would most certainly be able to protect themselves from us.

[Taltarzac725]

Peace loving ETs able to come here would most certainly be able to protect themselves from us.

If and when we get to warp speed I am sure if they are out there they will pay us a visit. So far we have been an extremely war loving species. At least, it seems like some part of humanity has been fighting another part for the last four thousand years. I am going a lot on what is in the Old Testament.

[fdpaq0580]

If and when we get to warp speed I am sure if they are out there they will pay us a visit. So far we have been an extremely war loving species. At least, it seems like some part of humanity has been fighting another part for the last four thousand years. I am going a lot on what is in the Old Testament.

"We" have been fighting amongst ourselves since way before we were even human. Look at chimpanzees, our closest kin. We shared a common ancestor. Those cute chimps are vicious, bloodthirsty warriors that won't hesitate to go to war with neighboring tribes. We share roughly 98% of our genes with them. Watching them is like looking at our ourselves so many tens of thousands of years ago.

[jimbomaybe]

Strike "conscious" (as opposed to unconscious), insert "sentient".
As to traveling, problems are there for us to solve. And the solution is nearer than you can imagine. Don't be so closed minded.

The solution being some how getting around the laws of physics as we understand them

[Two Bills]

"We" have been fighting amongst ourselves since way before we were even human. Look at chimpanzees, our closest kin. We shared a common ancestor. Those cute chimps are vicious, bloodthirsty warriors that won't hesitate to go to war with neighboring tribes. We share roughly 98% of our genes with them. Watching them is like looking at our ourselves so many tens of thousands of years ago.

Our genes are very close to Dolphins as well, yet I am the world's worst swimmer.
Did enjoy swinging around in trees when younger though, and my knuckles still drag along the ground.

[jimbomaybe]

"We" have been fighting amongst ourselves since way before we were even human. Look at chimpanzees, our closest kin. We shared a common ancestor. Those cute chimps are vicious, bloodthirsty warriors that won't hesitate to go to war with neighboring tribes. We share roughly 98% of our genes with them. Watching them is like looking at our ourselves so many tens of thousands of years ago.
Life is competitive. Warfare tests the organizational and cognitive abilities , humans dominating the environment compete with other humans, Neanderthals' came out second best.

[Topspinmo]

Extraterrestrial conscious beings almost certainly exist in the universe but they will never have the ability to get here...Nor will we be able to get there. It's a physics problem. Don't be so gullible.

And the earth was flat 3 or 4 hundred years ago.

[Topspinmo]

Life is competitive. Warfare tests the organizational and cognitive abilities , humans dominating the environment compete with other humans, Neanderthals' came out second best.

There still some Neanderthal’s around. :evil6:

[Topspinmo]

The solution being some how getting around the laws of physics as we understand them

That maybe our problem not their’s ?

[Topspinmo]

The rationale of the pro-alien people would be that the aliens being so advanced are able to get here and NOT be detected. Their advanced science means that they have great intellectual capacity and CURIOSITY. So they want to study us like humans study animals in a zoo. They don't want to have contact with us because they want their observational experiment to stay PURE. Our wars and nation-state competitions may be something they want to study because they HAD similarities in their long distant history.


Some need to Education with ancient aliens programs. We are their children so they say. Proof in ancient ruins which we can’t duplicate today.

[Calisport]

I figure it is a similar situation to seeing or experiencing spirits. I'm open to life on other planets.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

And the earth was flat 3 or 4 hundred years ago.

There are entire groups of people presently who believe the earth is flat. They have a whole "Flat Earth Society" with membership and everything. They also think that the moon landing was a fake and never happened. It's pretty crazy.

[ThirdOfFive]

I figure it is a similar situation to seeing or experiencing spirits. I'm open to life on other planets.
One helluva waste of real estate if there isn't.

Mankind throughout recorded history and probably much farther back than that, has ALWAYS seen the race is unique. Something special. Probably a lot easier to do when the only elements there were, were earth, air, fire, and water; and the greater light, the lesser light, and those hundreds of little pinpoint lights up there all revolved around us. Then along came people with names like Newton, Galileo, and Einstein, and all of a sudden we weren't so special any more. Neither is our insignificant little pebble orbiting a nondescript sun tucked away in a far corner of a pretty ordinary galaxy.

The point is this. Given the immensity of the Universe and our own ordinariness, I find it impossible to believe that life arose ONLY on our pebble.

[Battlebasset]

Repeating what top space scientist has said. So an advanced race that can move across space from a planet outside our solar system, 4.2 light years away(5.8786E+12 miles x 4.2) and they crash on our planet. They are also advanced enough to make this trip but are so scared of us that they do not make contact. Then there is the lack of proof, with approximately 15 billion cellphones in the world that can capture everything in our life in clear color both as still pictures and video but there is not one clear undeniable picture or video ever presented. As for the conspiracies that governments are keeping things secret, that means that not one of the thousands of people in the government and outside contractors has not come forward with undeniable proof, just saying something is not proof, that all of the governments around the world are in cahoots to keep this information secret. Someone in the last 75 years would have needed or wanted to get rich by being the first to put this proof out and cash in. :shrug:

It's actually worse than that. Your 4.2 light years would be the closest star to Earth, Alpha Centauri, which has no confirmed habitable planets. So it's likely that any travelers would be coming from much farther away. Add to that the need to travel much faster than the speed of light, which is currently believed to be impossible, and the issues with space/time at those speeds, and visitation becomes even less likely.

If you do a little google searching, you'll see that after WW2, many believed that some Nazis escaped to the moon. This was because after the war we discovered their work on rockets, and people knew very little about the complexity of space travel, or about the habitability of the moon. Once the public knowledge of both grew, those beliefs quickly dissipated.

I put UFO's in the same category. If people really understood the complexity of FTL travel, and the vast distances of space, most would understand that it is highly unlikely, even an impossibility that we have ever been visited.

That does not mean their isn't life on other planets. I just believe that it is rare, and far enough away that we will never know on this side of eternity if it exists.

[jimbomaybe]

That maybe our problem not their’s ?


One has to accept the idea that UFOs are of an alien presence first.

[flyguy909]

The UFO phenomenon has intrigued me since I was a teenager and saw 3 one night. Always been an aviation nut and was in Civil Air Patrol at the time and am positive it was not a misidentified aircraft.. for various reasons.

There has been a concerted effort by the government to ridicule incidents, sightings, etc that's only now starting to reverse. The Phoenix lights of '97 is an example.

Navy pilots are on record as tracking UFO's off the south east coast flying into the sea. There's alot of hoaxes out there but also compelling stuff that doesn't make the mainstream news.

[Byte1]

Just another way for "some" to waste their time and our money. I enjoy watching scifi BUT just because I am entertained by it, does not mean that I believe in it or want money wasted on chasing geese or hunting witches.

[ThirdOfFive]

It's actually worse than that. Your 4.2 light years would be the closest star to Earth, Alpha Centauri, which has no confirmed habitable planets. So it's likely that any travelers would be coming from much farther away. Add to that the need to travel much faster than the speed of light, which is currently believed to be impossible, and the issues with space/time at those speeds, and visitation becomes even less likely.

If you do a little google searching, you'll see that after WW2, many believed that some Nazis escaped to the moon. This was because after the war we discovered their work on rockets, and people knew very little about the complexity of space travel, or about the habitability of the moon. Once the public knowledge of both grew, those beliefs quickly dissipated.

I put UFO's in the same category. If people really understood the complexity of FTL travel, and the vast distances of space, most would understand that it is highly unlikely, even an impossibility that we have ever been visited.

That does not mean their isn't life on other planets. I just believe that it is rare, and far enough away that we will never know on this side of eternity if it exists.
It was less than 200 years ago that a voyage from America to Australia took around four months, and a trip overland from our east coast to west coast was a journey of more than half a year. If you made it at all.

Today, flight time New York to Sydney is about 22 hours and NY to LA a hair over 6.

We didn't know how to build machines that could fly at near (or in the case of Concorde, over) the speed of sound.

Until we did.

[golfing eagles]

I figure it is a similar situation to seeing or experiencing spirits. I'm open to life on other planets.

If you run a modifies version of the Drake equation with the numbers from the James Webb telescope, you come up with a MINIMUM of 40 TRILLION intelligent civilizations spread across the observable universe. While that sounds like a lot, it's only 40 in our galaxy of 400 billion stars. However, unless Einstein was wrong and practical FTL (and MUCH FTL) travel is possible, no 2 will ever meet each other

[Topspinmo]

Roswell was biggest cover up in America history. You don’t need undertaker for weather balloon.

[jimbomaybe]

One helluva waste of real estate if there isn't.

Mankind throughout recorded history and probably much farther back than that, has ALWAYS seen the race is unique. Something special. Probably a lot easier to do when the only elements there were, were earth, air, fire, and water; and the greater light, the lesser light, and those hundreds of little pinpoint lights up there all revolved around us. Then along came people with names like Newton, Galileo, and Einstein, and all of a sudden we weren't so special any more. Neither is our insignificant little pebble orbiting a nondescript sun tucked away in a far corner of a pretty ordinary galaxy.

The point is this. Given the immensity of the Universe and our own ordinariness, I find it impossible to believe that life arose ONLY on our pebble.

I don't think that is central to the debate , it is more a mater of how common, a large number of things had to occur just so for the condition for organic life as we know it to happen here, how common is the occurrence of "intelligent life ? we only have one data point = pure speculation on top of speculation add to that the speculation on the possibility/ probability of interstellar travel , more speculation.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The UFO phenomenon has intrigued me since I was a teenager and saw 3 one night. Always been an aviation nut and was in Civil Air Patrol at the time and am positive it was not a misidentified aircraft.. for various reasons.

There has been a concerted effort by the government to ridicule incidents, sightings, etc that's only now starting to reverse. The Phoenix lights of '97 is an example.

Navy pilots are on record as tracking UFO's off the south east coast flying into the sea. There's alot of hoaxes out there but also compelling stuff that doesn't make the mainstream news.

Did you ever think that it doesn't make the mainstream news for a reason? Like, maybe - fantastical mythological fictional conspiracy aliens isn't newsworthy, but rather the stuff of stories told round the campfire to scare campers in the summertime?

Sort of like how you sometimes see "cancer has been cured, but doctors won't tell you how!" garbage on the internet or in the Weekly World News or the National Enquirer. The reason doctors won't tell you how, is because it's not true. It's just someone peddling their snake oil, or pushing an agenda.

Like - "the government is hiding this information and I'm going to tell you all about it!" Conspiracy nonsense. If you know what it is, and can tell me all about it, then - the government didn't do a very good job of hiding it, did they? Or maybe - they're not hiding anything and you're just trying to get attention.

(you meaning - imperial you, not you specifically)

[mraines]

Oh yes, the underwater orb-growing business. I saw a clip of it. I was mostly just very sad for our country that people who are in positions of power actually believe this tripe.

Do you seriously think that in this vast universe we are the only inhabitants?

[golfing eagles]

Some need to Education with ancient aliens programs. We are their children so they say. Proof in ancient ruins which we can’t duplicate today.

It's an interesting theory, but full of flaws. For example, they like to point to ancient carvings that depict "flames" coming from "ships". Do we really think the "aliens" burn rocket fuel to travel vast distances faster than light? They point to any one of a dozen "documented" UFO crashes. The aliens can navigate dozens or hundreds of light years around stars, nebulae, and black holes but crash here? And speaking of navigation, they had to build pyramids and Nazca lines to get around, as if navigating visually? We don't even do that anymore. Yes, there are a lot of unexplained occurrences in our past, but alien influence might be a reach.

[Snakster66]

One has to accept the idea that UFOs are of an alien presence first.

True. It COULD be the subterranean lizard people.

[Lottoguy]

"They crash here" is the quote. Perhaps they never encountered our lightning storms on this planet? At Roswell in July 1947 there was a tremendous thunderstorm with lightning that could have caused the crash. I suggest you read the book "Witness to Roswell" and get the whole story.

[Topspinmo]

It's an interesting theory, but full of flaws. For example, they like to point to ancient carvings that depict "flames" coming from "ships". Do we really think the "aliens" burn rocket fuel to travel vast distances faster than light? They point to any one of a dozen "documented" UFO crashes. The aliens can navigate dozens or hundreds of light years around stars, nebulae, and black holes but crash here? And speaking of navigation, they had to build pyramids and Nazca lines to get around, as if navigating visually? We don't even do that anymore. Yes, there are a lot of unexplained occurrences in our past, but alien influence might be a reach.

Need look at ruins in South America. No one today can cut stone to fit that tight let along all the angles.

The Mysterious Blocks Of Puma Punku. | by Rufat Rassulov | Lessons from History | Medium (https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/the-mysterious-blocks-of-puma-punku-4f80a260f41a)

[Taltarzac725]

"They crash here" is the quote. Perhaps they never encountered our lightning storms on this planet? At Roswell in July 1947 there was a tremendous thunderstorm with lightning that could have caused the crash. I suggest you read the book "Witness to Roswell" and get the whole story.

Any intelligent life that could travel vast distances at speed would probably want to monitor the progress of developing species like ours on other planets.

And they probably would also conduct experiments on us . And maybe some became enamored of some groups in particular.

[Topspinmo]

I figure it is a similar situation to seeing or experiencing spirits. I'm open to life on other planets.

Other than in mind there no proof, not like ruins all or world that can’t Be explained or duplicated.

[biker1]

The probability that life of some form exists somewhere in the universe of perhaps 2 trillion galaxies: high. The probability that life somewhere in the universe has become advanced enough to travel the vast distances of space and has decided to come to this remote corner of the Milky Way Galaxy (which is 100,000 light years across): low.

Do you seriously think that in this vast universe we are the only inhabitants?

[Number 10 GI]

Maybe we are some alien teenager's science project similar to our ant farms. The UFO crashes, you know how reckless teenage drivers can be.

[jimbomaybe]

It's an interesting theory, but full of flaws. For example, they like to point to ancient carvings that depict "flames" coming from "ships". Do we really think the "aliens" burn rocket fuel to travel vast distances faster than light? They point to any one of a dozen "documented" UFO crashes. The aliens can navigate dozens or hundreds of light years around stars, nebulae, and black holes but crash here? And speaking of navigation, they had to build pyramids and Nazca lines to get around, as if navigating visually? We don't even do that anymore. Yes, there are a lot of unexplained occurrences in our past, but alien influence might be a reach.

People will always find the evidence to support what they have decided to believe, want to believe that UFOs are extraterrestrials , find things that can be spun to show they have been here and made their mark, no need to explain why they sneak in and out

[golfing eagles]

Need look at ruins in South America. No one today can cut stone to fit that tight let along all the angles.

The Mysterious Blocks Of Puma Punku. | by Rufat Rassulov | Lessons from History | Medium (https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/the-mysterious-blocks-of-puma-punku-4f80a260f41a)

It's just one of many historical mysteries---besides, was Puma Punku built in 200 AD or 17,000 BC??? Maybe, since we don't build with carved stone, we lost that skill. How much more removed from building with stone would aliens capable of interstellar travel be???
There was an episode of Stargate where essentially computer chips called replicators were conquering the galaxy and our very advanced alien allies were losing since all their weapons were energy/particle beam based and the replicants were immune. It took our primitive machine guns to defeat them, something the more advanced allies would never have thought of. I just have my doubts that any aliens would travel to Earth just to play Lego with 100 ton stones in Peru.

[LeRoySmith]

I absolutely believe in life on other planets, and I absolutely believe it's possible that we've been visited by entities from those other planets.

But there's a difference between believing in its existence and believing in some vast conspiracy that the government is farming alien orbs under the ocean surface and that this conspiracy must be exposed, by government officials, on the taxpayer dime, just to prove that the government person(s) attempting to expose this insanity actually DOES something while employed by the taxpayer.

Time can be better spent investigating why clothes driers collect lint that has to be manually removed, and not chemically disintegrated instead.

You don't save your dryer lint?:confused:

[LeRoySmith]

If and when we get to warp speed I am sure if they are out there they will pay us a visit. So far we have been an extremely war loving species. At least, it seems like some part of humanity has been fighting another part for the last four thousand years. I am going a lot on what is in the Old Testament.

Wouldnt you think after some amount of time we'd figure out fighting isnt very productive?

[LeRoySmith]

There still some Neanderthal’s around. :evil6:

No kidding! Some of them post here and love to brag about golf and their overall superiority.

[fdpaq0580]

It's just one of many historical mysteries---besides, was Puma Punku built in 200 AD or 17,000 BC??? Maybe, since we don't build with carved stone, we lost that skill. How much more removed from building with stone would aliens capable of interstellar travel be???
There was an episode of Stargate where essentially computer chips called replicators were conquering the galaxy and our very advanced alien allies were losing since all their weapons were energy/particle beam based and the replicants were immune. It took our primitive machine guns to defeat them, something the more advanced allies would never have thought of. I just have my doubts that any aliens would travel to Earth just to play Lego with 100 ton stones in Peru.

Not Lego blocks. "Melted" stone, in liquid state.
The solution is transfered to and then poured into magnetic energy forms stacked in desired locations then left to dry/harden in place. When the energy forms are turned off, they leave the stones as we see them today. Quite simple when you have the equipment and knowledge.

[Topspinmo]

It's just one of many historical mysteries---besides, was Puma Punku built in 200 AD or 17,000 BC??? Maybe, since we don't build with carved stone, we lost that skill. How much more removed from building with stone would aliens capable of interstellar travel be???
There was an episode of Stargate where essentially computer chips called replicators were conquering the galaxy and our very advanced alien allies were losing since all their weapons were energy/particle beam based and the replicants were immune. It took our primitive machine guns to defeat them, something the more advanced allies would never have thought of. I just have my doubts that any aliens would travel to Earth just to play Lego with 100 ton stones in Peru.

It’s hard for some to dispute facts from Hollywood isn’t it?

[Topspinmo]

Wouldnt you think after some amount of time we'd figure out fighting isnt very productive?


Fighting is survival for most species, still for some humans. It may return if the civilized world not careful.

[golfing eagles]

Not Lego blocks. "Melted" stone, in liquid state.
The solution is transfered to and then poured into magnetic energy forms stacked in desired locations then left to dry/harden in place. When the energy forms are turned off, they leave the stones as we see them today. Quite simple when you have the equipment and knowledge.

Saw that too. But not so simple. And if were molten stone, explain the tool marks.

[fdpaq0580]

Saw that too. But not so simple. And if were molten stone, explain the tool marks.

Everything is simple when you know the secret. Ask a magician. Tool "marks" left behind from stone age people, early explorers and archeologists. Millenia of weathering, etc.

[ThirdOfFive]

Not Lego blocks. "Melted" stone, in liquid state.
The solution is transfered to and then poured into magnetic energy forms stacked in desired locations then left to dry/harden in place. When the energy forms are turned off, they leave the stones as we see them today. Quite simple when you have the equipment and knowledge.
Wouldn't concrete, in its initial stage, qualify as "molten stone"?

We've used that form of molten stone as far back as ancient Rome and probably before.

[Two Bills]

You don't save your dryer lint?:confused:

Mixed with veg waste, make good compost as well.

[jimbomaybe]

Everything is simple when you know the secret. Ask a magician. Tool "marks" left behind from stone age people, early explorers and archeologists. Millenia of weathering, etc.
Tool marks would be consistent across the work, would an archeologist deface an antiquity ? would stone age people take the time and great effort to mimic tool marks ? not just the finished stone but the quarry site as well ? and of course why would your helpful ETs wait the years it would take to free and dress the stone before working their fantastic technology to move it ?

[ThirdOfFive]

Wouldnt you think after some amount of time we'd figure out fighting isnt very productive?
Au contraire! The bulk of Mankind's technological progress has come about directly because of war.

Airplanes, for example. Heavier than air flight. From the time of their invention (arbitrarily, 1903) they were basically toys. They had little or no value other than that. Then WWI rolled around and all of a sudden the technology was making huge strides. WWI was only about four years long, but the flying machines available at the beginning were positively prehistoric in many ways compared to what was available at the end. Jet power too: the idea had been kicked around before WW 2 but not much came of it. At the end of the war both Great Britain and Germany were fielding jet fighters with ever-more powerful and reliable engines, forming the basis not just of the fighter jet complements of most countries today but of the entire civilian jet transportation fleet that exists today.

Going the moon and robot ships to other planets? Most of the technological basis for that, both ours and the USSRs, comes from German development and experimentation. I doubt we'd have sent Neil Armstrong to the moon had we not "imported" Werner von Braun and cronies after the end of WW 2 to work on our rocket program.

Many other things too: things that began because of the needs of war that later became civilian mainstays, such as;

Radar;
Atomic power;
The cavity magnetron;
progress in meteorology;
Computer science (existed before WW2 but made huge strides during the war years;
Canned foods (thank Napoleon for that one);
Medicine (blood tranfusions, skin grafts, surgical knowledge, etc. all made tremendous progress because of war);
Sonar;
Etc. Etc. Etc.

The list is literally endless. Odds are, had it NOT been for wars, the height of our "technology" might still be spears.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yes, extraterrestrials built the pyramids. They were markers for their brethren to help chart the skies. They were on their way to more civilized worlds and Earth was a rest area on the way. Once they built the markers, they continued on and the humans inhabiting the planet at that time were let out of their ship-side cages, their amnesiac medicines worn off, and continued on with life without skipping a beat. They were hypnotized to assume they're the ones who built it, and never knew any better.

Fast forward to now, and we all know the secret truth. It was the aliens.

There. Now let's talk about that dryer lint please?

[Lottoguy]

Good video on YT showing how copper saws used at the time just doesn't work cutting granite blocks. Advanced tech is the only way it could have been done.

[jimbomaybe]

Good video on YT showing how copper saws used at the time just doesn't work cutting granite blocks. Advanced tech is the only way it could have been done.
Pyramid builders used softer stone but to some extent used pink granite, one of the harder ones, used a hammer stone to beat away the surrounding stone, talk about labor intensive, the quarries show the work.

1,000 t[22] Ramesseum Statue Thebes, Egypt Ancient Egypt Transported 170 miles (270 km) by ship from Aswan

[skarra]

Au contraire! The bulk of Mankind's technological progress has come about directly because of war.

Airplanes, for example. Heavier than air flight. From the time of their invention (arbitrarily, 1903) they were basically toys. They had little or no value other than that. Then WWI rolled around and all of a sudden the technology was making huge strides. WWI was only about four years long, but the flying machines available at the beginning were positively prehistoric in many ways compared to what was available at the end. Jet power too: the idea had been kicked around before WW 2 but not much came of it. At the end of the war both Great Britain and Germany were fielding jet fighters with ever-more powerful and reliable engines, forming the basis not just of the fighter jet complements of most countries today but of the entire civilian jet transportation fleet that exists today.

Going the moon and robot ships to other planets? Most of the technological basis for that, both ours and the USSRs, comes from German development and experimentation. I doubt we'd have sent Neil Armstrong to the moon had we not "imported" Werner von Braun and cronies after the end of WW 2 to work on our rocket program.

Many other things too: things that began because of the needs of war that later became civilian mainstays, such as;

Radar;
Atomic power;
The cavity magnetron;
progress in meteorology;
Computer science (existed before WW2 but made huge strides during the war years;
Canned foods (thank Napoleon for that one);
Medicine (blood tranfusions, skin grafts, surgical knowledge, etc. all made tremendous progress because of war);
Sonar;
Etc. Etc. Etc.

The list is literally endless. Odds are, had it NOT been for wars, the height of our "technology" might still be spears.


You left out GPS. I'd be lost without it - literally.