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Michael Mann only needs 15 more named storms this season in order to verify his 33 named storm "global warming" forecast.

[Two Bills]

:ohdear:

[golfing eagles]

Michael Mann only needs 15 more named storms this season in order to verify his 33 named storm "global warming" forecast.

Yes, but he and his acolytes/true believers are still getting publicity for being idiots

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Yes, but he and his acolytes/true believers are still getting publicity for being idiots

Regarding climate change, Dr. Steven Koonin said, “There are motivations for everybody to kinda not tell the truth or to tell half-truths ... It’s a wonderful business opportunity.”

[gorillarick]

Yes, but the season is not over yet.

and then there's the late season:
Hurricane Alex in January 2016
Hurricane Alice in February 1952

[MrFlorida]

Predictions are just a guess, anybody can make one...

[sounding]

Yes, but the season is not over yet.

and then there's the late season:
Hurricane Alex in January 2016
Hurricane Alice in February 1952

That confirms that hurricane activity was greater in the past -- especially at The Villages.

[fdpaq0580]

Regarding climate change, Dr. Steven Koonin said, “There are motivations for everybody to kinda not tell the truth or to tell half-truths ... It’s a wonderful business opportunity.”

That almost sounds like politics or medicine. Interesting point of view.

[Margefrog]

Probably because climate has changed and shifted, not because there are fewer or less.

[midiwiz]

Michael Mann only needs 15 more named storms this season in order to verify his 33 named storm "global warming" forecast.

well the guy is way off, actually it's hilarious. I suppose he's never heard of the poles flipping...... probably not. global warming how funny.

[Two Bills]

Think all the big storms have moved to Pacific, and Philippines area.
Poor souls are being hammered.

[maistocars]

Regarding climate change, Dr. Steven Koonin said, “There are motivations for everybody to kinda not tell the truth or to tell half-truths ... It’s a wonderful business opportunity.”
as Mr. Al G. knows all too well.

[jimjamuser]

Michael Mann only needs 15 more named storms this season in order to verify his 33 named storm "global warming" forecast.
To BE Global Warming or NOT to BE Global Warming.....that is the ? Whether it is better to look at "funky" charts or actual temperature measurements? Whether to discuss hurricanes from 1871 as MEANINGFUL? Whether weather is wetter and warmer in 2024?
..........To answer these questions simply look up world temperatures. You find that 2023 was the highest to date. And 2024 is on record to be the new highest on record. Increasing warm air and oceans like the Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico that surround Florida mean increasing chances of KILLER Hurricanes.
...........According to NCEI's statistical analysis 2024 is on track to be the WARMEST year globally on record. From Jan to Oct 2024 it has been 2.3 degrees F ABOVE the 120 year average.

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To BE Global Warming or NOT to BE Global Warming.....that is the ? Whether it is better to look at "funky" charts or actual temperature measurements? Whether to discuss hurricanes from 1871 as MEANINGFUL? Whether weather is wetter and warmer in 2024?
..........To answer these questions simply look up world temperatures. You find that 2023 was the highest to date. And 2024 is on record to be the new highest on record. Increasing warm air and oceans like the Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico that surround Florida mean increasing chances of KILLER Hurricanes.
...........According to NCEI's statistical analysis 2024 is on track to be the WARMEST year globally on record. From Jan to Oct 2024 it has been 2.3 degrees F ABOVE the 120 year average.

Hottest on "record" yes ... but only since 1979 which is when global satellite data began. Also note, that the heating spike was caused by Tonga's unprecedented water-vapor -- and not CO2.

[golfing eagles]

Hottest on "record" yes ... but only since 1979 which is when global satellite data began. Also note, that the heating spike was caused by Tonga's unprecedented water-vapor -- and not CO2.

Hopefully the new secretary of energy will put an end to this global warming nonsense

[jimjamuser]

Hottest on "record" yes ... but only since 1979 which is when global satellite data began. Also note, that the heating spike was caused by Tonga's unprecedented water-vapor -- and not CO2.
Not again with the Tonga, Tonga, Tonga. That has been COMPLETELY debunked. Some real climate experts INITIALLY thought that Tonga had an affect, but later experiments proved that it had minimum or no effect. I put the links for that here in TOTV 3 months ago. Before 2 killer hurricanes hit Florida because of HIGH TEMPERATURES in the GULF.
.........Man-made record temperatures due to a spike since 1990 in world population and therefore world CO2 are only in recent years (about 15 years max). If you put graphs of world population, CO2 emission, and world HEAT on top of each other you can see that they are related.
..........Hot air allows more water vapor. Water vapor does NOT cause the Earth to heat.

[jimjamuser]

Hopefully the new secretary of energy will put an end to this global warming nonsense
And he would have to be a powerful GOD to just decree it and it thus becomes truth.

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Not again with the Tonga, Tonga, Tonga. That has been COMPLETELY debunked. Some real climate experts INITIALLY thought that Tonga had an affect, but later experiments proved that it had minimum or no effect. I put the links for that here in TOTV 3 months ago. Before 2 killer hurricanes hit Florida because of HIGH TEMPERATURES in the GULF.
.........Man-made record temperatures due to a spike since 1990 in world population and therefore world CO2 are only in recent years (about 15 years max). If you put graphs of world population, CO2 emission, and world HEAT on top of each other you can see that they are related.
..........Hot air allows more water vapor. Water vapor does NOT cause the Earth to heat.

The below pie graph was created using data produced by findings from this NASA research, which is widely accepted by the scientific community .... water-vapor (and its associated clouds) is earth's primary greenhouse gas warming agent ... https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2010/2010_Schmidt_sc05400j.pdf

[tophcfa]

The pie graph is missing the biggest contributor to greenhouse gas emissions, people endlessly blowing hot air debating the subject. Folks need to get a better and healthier hobby, the activities in the Villages are practically unlimited!

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The pie graph is missing the biggest contributor to greenhouse gas emissions, people endlessly blowing hot air debating the subject. Folks need to get a better and healthier hobby, the activities in the Villages are practically unlimited!

Unfortunately, there's an organization within The Villages engaging in greenhouse gas deception -- by saying CO2 is the primary greenhouse gas -- by preferring to use "Acid News" as an authority versus NASA.

[golfing eagles]

And he would have to be a powerful GOD to just decree it and it thus becomes truth.

It's already the obvious truth. He'll just need to disband the cult of true believers and their acolytes.

[gorillarick]

Hopefully the new secretary of energy will put an end to this global warming nonsense
You're dreaming.

As long as emotion trumps logic and knowledge (proven facts), the emotional will continue running their mouths.

Sick of being called a climate denier, knuckle dragger, , , ad nauseum.
Yes, there is climate change. The climate is always changing; many different cycles going on, all with different time periods.
Yes, someday the climate will stop changing; when the Earth is a frozen ball of ice.
And then; in a few thousand or million years, it will change again.

Spending billions or trillions won't make an iota of difference. To think that man could change the trajectory of climate change is laughable.
OK, back in the 60's when there was the GLOBAL COOLING scare, they proposed detonating a bunch of nuclear bombs over the North Pole to warm the Earth. Brilliant !!!

[Bill14564]

The below pie graph was created using data produced by findings from this NASA research, which is widely accepted by the scientific community .... water-vapor (and its associated clouds) is earth's primary greenhouse gas warming agent ... https://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2010/2010_Schmidt_sc05400j.pdf

"They" say a picture is worth a thousand words. In this case, there is value in reading the thousand words rather than just the comic book. Pay special attention to section 4 in the study provided above (it is much less than a thousand words). As I read it, the study shows that while CO2 makes up only about 20% of greenhouse gases, changes in CO2 have a non-linear and much greater affect.

Does the study support the statement that changes in CO2 contribute to 80% of global warming? It's too early to do that math in my head. However, the paper certainly does not refute that.

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"They" say a picture is worth a thousand words. In this case, there is value in reading the thousand words rather than just the comic book. Pay special attention to section 4 in the study provided above (it is much less than a thousand words). As I read it, the study shows that while CO2 makes up only about 20% of greenhouse gases, changes in CO2 have a non-linear and much greater affect.

Does the study support the statement that changes in CO2 contribute to 80% of global warming? It's too early to do that math in my head. However, the paper certainly does not refute that.

Somebody skipped climate class last month, showing how tiny CO2 warming is -- and the man-made CO2 part is even tinier. Next class is Dec 19 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor ... The Villages Weather Club (https://www.theweatherclubvillages.com/)

[Topspinmo]

Predictions are just a guess, anybody can make one...

Only if you have piece of paper that trumps everyone except another equal piece of paper.:beer3:

[justjim]

I love the TOTV “know-it-all’s” climate experts both the left and right. I played golf yesterday, with a Bob, who said he moved from the gulf coast “to get away from the hurricanes”. “I had enough” he said. True story. Oh, he put our group to shame. Shot par on Okeechobee.

[Stu from NYC]

Only if you have piece of paper that trumps everyone except another equal piece of paper.:beer3:

My piece of paper is better than your piece of paper.

[fdpaq0580]

My piece of paper is better than your piece of paper.

2-ply, quilted?

[jimjamuser]

The pie graph is missing the biggest contributor to greenhouse gas emissions, people endlessly blowing hot air debating the subject. Folks need to get a better and healthier hobby, the activities in the Villages are practically unlimited!
People like to PRETEND that nothing changes......especially the climate. Lots of things change like the climate by 2.4 degrees for 2024 over the long term average. Older people like in The Villages are more affected by the additional HEAT of Climate Change than younger people. In September through mid-November many Villagers were AVOIDING being outside during the mid-afternoon HEAT. 20 YEARS AGO SUMMERS WERE NOT THAT HOT. I am just explaining to people WHY it is this way according to 95% of ALL Climate Scientists.
.........Like frogs in boiling water, many people want to pretend that the Earth getting hotter is NOT happening. Each year it will get worse because of the factors of rapid earth population in the last 20 years, and more CO2 from industry, coal burning, and automobile pollution.
...........Incidentally, with regards to a pretty colored pie chart about Greenhouse Gas, the point is that CO2, methane, and NO have INCREASED in the last 5 to 10 years due to more earth population, therefore more CO2 and etc.
...........No one can convince ANYONE that looks at the Earth's population chart for the last 50 years that the RAPID INCREASE IN POPULATION can have no effect on the Earth. It explains why so many animal species are dying out. It explains why there are large numbers of income-less, homeless people traveling North towards the US and Europe. It explains why the ice in the North and South poles is melting. I can understand WHY people want to IGNORE these problems. But they are DEFINITELY worth discussing!

[jimjamuser]

It's already the obvious truth. He'll just need to disband the cult of true believers and their acolytes.
IF he disbands what you are calling a cult of TRUE BELIEVERS, then what he will be DISBANDING is Science and Scientific Curiosity. That would mean that US industry will STOP innovating and the US will be driven back and lose 20 years of Scientific innovation. The US will become a NON-INNOVATING country. Think about the consequences of that before jumping on the devolution bandwagon.
.......Each year it will get HOTTER in the summer and more difficult to play golf. The GREENS could become BROWNS in 5 years. And Florida will be water-rationing. I predict that in 5 years golf will become an 8 months-out-of-the-year SPORT.

[jimjamuser]

I love the TOTV “know-it-all’s” climate experts both the left and right. I played golf yesterday, with a Bob, who said he moved from the gulf coast “to get away from the hurricanes”. “I had enough” he said. True story. Oh, he put our group to shame. Shot par on Okeechobee.
That is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of a logical human ADAPTATION to a REAL problem. The man was just doing a LOGICAL adaptation to the REAL problem of Global Warming. He is keeping it REAL. Now if only he could be convinced to buy an e-BIKE or an E- VEHICLE. Note - if you look up "deaths due to climate change in India", you will find that over 3,000 deaths were DIRECTLY attributed to Climate Change. Texas had a lot of deaths this summer due to Climate change. Imagine how high those will be in Texas and Florida five years from now when world population and CO2 production goes even higher. Imagine in 5 years how hard it is going to be to keep out the Climate Migration from South America into the US and from Africa into Europe. Will that cause problems?

[gorillarick]

IF he disbands what you are calling a cult of TRUE BELIEVERS, then what he will be DISBANDING is Science and Scientific Curiosity. That would mean that US industry will STOP innovating and the US will be driven back and lose 20 years of Scientific innovation. The US will become a NON-INNOVATING country. Think about the consequences of that before jumping on the devolution bandwagon.
.......Each year it will get HOTTER in the summer and more difficult to play golf. The GREENS could become BROWNS in 5 years. And Florida will be water-rationing. I predict that in 5 years golf will become an 8 months-out-of-the-year SPORT.
Geez, time to move.

Over a thousand years ago Greenland was green.
Get a jump on the currently low real estate prices !

[fdpaq0580]

Hottest on "record" yes ... but only since 1979 which is when global satellite data began. .

Isn't that what "on record" means? 🤔😏

[fdpaq0580]

And he would have to be a powerful GOD to just decree it and it thus becomes truth.

Respectfully disagree agree. He can be a maniac with the power and position to silence the opposition and truth. Ref: see Germany, early/mid 20th century.

[gorillarick]

Respectfully disagree agree. He can be a maniac with the power and position to silence the opposition and truth. Ref: see Germany, early/mid 20th century.
You really think a Sec of Energy could have so much power? Geez

The last one hardly ever showed-up to work.
It is a very good thing that at least this proposed new guy has a technical education, and background in energy.
That's a change for the better.

[fdpaq0580]

You really think a Sec of Energy could have so much power? Geez
.

Possibly. Depends on who his boss is and the orders he is given. The title could easily be changed from Secretary to Czar. After all, what's in a name.

[Topspinmo]

My piece of paper is better than your piece of paper.

See, that makes you right without question…:beer3:

[Topspinmo]

That is a PERFECT EXAMPLE of a logical human ADAPTATION to a REAL problem. The man was just doing a LOGICAL adaptation to the REAL problem of Global Warming. He is keeping it REAL. Now if only he could be convinced to buy an e-BIKE or an E- VEHICLE. Note - if you look up "deaths due to climate change in India", you will find that over 3,000 deaths were DIRECTLY attributed to Climate Change. Texas had a lot of deaths this summer due to Climate change. Imagine how high those will be in Texas and Florida five years from now when world population and CO2 production goes even higher. Imagine in 5 years how hard it is going to be to keep out the Climate Migration from South America into the US and from Africa into Europe. Will that cause problems?

No, due to seasonal hot summer. Before humans the world was lot hotter. Hopefully in 5 years migration from south and Central America will be reduced to acceptable level?

Global plate shifts will eventually turn deserts in to tropical lowlands and tropical lowlands in to desert.

[jimjamuser]

Isn't that what "on record" means? 🤔😏
Also world temperature records go back over 100 years.

[jimjamuser]

Geez, time to move.

Over a thousand years ago Greenland was green.
Get a jump on the currently low real estate prices !
Yes, it is "time to move". Northward at least one or two states. If I could afford it, I hear that Spain is nice. Mue Bien.

[jimjamuser]

I love the TOTV “know-it-all’s” climate experts both the left and right. I played golf yesterday, with a Bob, who said he moved from the gulf coast “to get away from the hurricanes”. “I had enough” he said. True story. Oh, he put our group to shame. Shot par on Okeechobee.
Climate Change is NOT a "left or right" issue. 95% of Climate Scientists believe in man-made Climate Change. The best Scientists develop a reputation for being independent of ANY political pressure.

[golfing eagles]

Climate Change is NOT a "left or right" issue. 95% of Climate Scientists believe in man-made Climate Change. The best Scientists develop a reputation for being independent of ANY political pressure.

Correction: 95% of climate scientists SAY they believe in man made climate change

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Correction: 95% of climate scientists SAY they believe in man made climate change

Ditto. Judith Curry is living proof of how the climate industry funds climate alarmism versus climate reality. Learn more Nov 21 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor.

[jimjamuser]

Correction: 95% of climate scientists SAY they believe in man made climate change
That is an interesting method for disproving ANYTHING that ANY expert or group of experts report in Scientific Journals. Just pretend that the reader of a statement in a journal can EQUATE their opinion with that of the PROFESSIONALS in their field. Many people like to DISCOUNT experts when they do NOT agree with them. I am aware that in the profession of Medicine that Doctors do NOT self-diagnose their own illnesses - but rather go to another Doctor (expert) for their advice.
.........Because the majority of Climate Scientists say that we are having DANGEROUS Global Warming that has INCREASED dramatically in the last 5 years, I have to believe them. I see no contrary evidence. I know for a fact that Coral Reefs are dying. I know that the ice at the North pole is almost all melting. We all have seen pictures of polar bears floating on SMALL, tiny islands of Ice. They are listed as threatened and depleted. Emperor Penguins are in danger of EXTINCTION.
...........So, basically MAN on Earth is willing to KILL OFF Polar bears and Penguins because the population of people has grown out of control and there has been very little attempts to stop coal burning and the pollution from gasoline internal combustion engines. It would be only a slight inconvenience for people in the US and Europe to switch to driving electric vehicles (they even accelerate faster), but it seems that they would rather KILL OFF Coral Reefs, Polar Bears, Penguins, and many other species.
........What is so GREAT about having 8.2 Billion people on Earth, with 10 Billion by 2060. Parts of the Earth will get so HOT as to be uninhabitable. Northward migration will occur in the northern hemisphere and many, many WARS will start.

[Byte1]

That is an interesting method for disproving ANYTHING that ANY expert or group of experts report in Scientific Journals. Just pretend that the reader of a statement in a journal can EQUATE their opinion with that of the PROFESSIONALS in their field. Many people like to DISCOUNT experts when they do NOT agree with them. I am aware that in the profession of Medicine that Doctors do NOT self-diagnose their own illnesses - but rather go to another Doctor (expert) for their advice.
.........Because the majority of Climate Scientists say that we are having DANGEROUS Global Warming that has INCREASED dramatically in the last 5 years, I have to believe them. I see no contrary evidence. I know for a fact that Coral Reefs are dying. I know that the ice at the North pole is almost all melting. We all have seen pictures of polar bears floating on SMALL, tiny islands of Ice. They are listed as threatened and depleted. Emperor Penguins are in danger of EXTINCTION.
...........So, basically MAN on Earth is willing to KILL OFF Polar bears and Penguins because the population of people has grown out of control and there has been very little attempts to stop coal burning and the pollution from gasoline internal combustion engines. It would be only a slight inconvenience for people in the US and Europe to switch to driving electric vehicles (they even accelerate faster), but it seems that they would rather KILL OFF Coral Reefs, Polar Bears, Penguins, and many other species.
........What is so GREAT about having 8.2 Billion people on Earth, with 10 Billion by 2060. Parts of the Earth will get so HOT as to be uninhabitable. Northward migration will occur in the northern hemisphere and many, many WARS will start.

Scientists used to believe the world was flat (maybe 99% of them?). Then a NON-scientist, mariner sailed around the world and proved that the "scientists" were wrong. Sometimes facts just get in the way of theory and popularity.

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Scientists used to believe the world was flat (maybe 99% of them?). Then a NON-scientist, mariner sailed around the world and proved that the "scientists" were wrong. Sometimes facts just get in the way of theory and popularity.

Ditto. Plus, 97% of the scientists is meaningless, since any idiot can claim to be one. Scientists don't produce science -- data analysts produce theories from data observations -- and so far there are NO data observations proving man-made CO2 harms our climate - NONE.

[jimjamuser]

Ditto. Plus, 97% of the scientists is meaningless, since any idiot can claim to be one. Scientists don't produce science -- data analysts produce theories from data observations -- and so far there are NO data observations proving man-made CO2 harms our climate - NONE.
I assume that it should be "Scientists are", but regardless ......that is a strange statement to make - "scientists are meaningless" and then topped by the "Scientists don't produce science" statement. If Scientists don't produce science what do they produce? .......grade A eggs? Without scientists we would have ZERO satellites orbiting the Earth. There would be no vaccines. No color TV's. No streaming services. No I-phones. No space program of any kind. No microwave ovens. No transistors and integrated circuits.
.........Anyway, once again......95% of Climate Scientists believe that CO2 and methane CAUSE Global warming. Maybe there is a club called "Know-Nothings' somewhere that would believe otherwise.

[Topspinmo]

Yes, it is "time to move". Northward at least one or two states. If I could afford it, I hear that Spain is nice. Mue Bien.

Clap 👏 when moving party?

[JMintzer]

Yes, it is "time to move". Northward at least one or two states. If I could afford it, I hear that Spain is nice. Mue Bien.

Need help packing?

[JMintzer]

Climate Change is NOT a "left or right" issue. 95% of Climate Scientists believe in man-made Climate Change. The best Scientists develop a reputation for being independent of ANY political pressure.

Absolute nonsense statistic that has been debunked, many times...

[JMintzer]

Correction: 95% of climate scientists SAY they believe in man made climate change

They didn't even do that. That number comes from the percentage of scientists who MENTIONED "man made climate change' in their papers. not that they agreed/disagreed with it...

[JMintzer]

That is an interesting method for disproving ANYTHING that ANY expert or group of experts report in Scientific Journals. Just pretend that the reader of a statement in a journal can EQUATE their opinion with that of the PROFESSIONALS in their field. Many people like to DISCOUNT experts when they do NOT agree with them. I am aware that in the profession of Medicine that Doctors do NOT self-diagnose their own illnesses - but rather go to another Doctor (expert) for their advice.
.........Because the majority of Climate Scientists say that we are having DANGEROUS Global Warming that has INCREASED dramatically in the last 5 years, I have to believe them. I see no contrary evidence. I know for a fact that Coral Reefs are dying. I know that the ice at the North pole is almost all melting. We all have seen pictures of polar bears floating on SMALL, tiny islands of Ice. They are listed as threatened and depleted. Emperor Penguins are in danger of EXTINCTION.
...........So, basically MAN on Earth is willing to KILL OFF Polar bears and Penguins because the population of people has grown out of control and there has been very little attempts to stop coal burning and the pollution from gasoline internal combustion engines. It would be only a slight inconvenience for people in the US and Europe to switch to driving electric vehicles (they even accelerate faster), but it seems that they would rather KILL OFF Coral Reefs, Polar Bears, Penguins, and many other species.
........What is so GREAT about having 8.2 Billion people on Earth, with 10 Billion by 2060. Parts of the Earth will get so HOT as to be uninhabitable. Northward migration will occur in the northern hemisphere and many, many WARS will start.

The "polar bear picture" has been debunked. It was all about the angle at which the picture was taken...

That "Island of ice" was only a few dozen yards away from land...

[jimjamuser]

Regardless of ONE picture about a Polar bear, the important thing is that Polar Bears are an endangered species. And the north and south poles have been affected MUCH MORE than at US latitudes by Global Warming. Scientists say as much as 4 times as bad. Alaskan fishermen are going broke because the water temperature is so high that fish have stopped migrating that far North. And I listed other endangered animals. Likely, a person could find 10 or more endangered species. I am just giving examples of Climate Change.

[JMintzer]

Regardless of ONE picture about a Polar bear, the important thing is that Polar Bears are an endangered species. And the north and south poles have been affected MUCH MORE than at US latitudes by Global Warming. Scientists say as much as 4 times as bad. Alaskan fishermen are going broke because the water temperature is so high that fish have stopped migrating that far North. And I listed other endangered animals. Likely, a person could find 10 or more endangered species. I am just giving examples of Climate Change.

Hunting was the biggest threat to polar bears. Since the ban on hunting was put in place, 50 years ago, their #s have doubled...

50 years after hunting ban polar bears are thriving, new report shows - The Global Warming Policy Foundation (https://www.thegwpf.org/publications/50-years-after-hunting-ban-polar-bears-are-thriving-new-report-shows/)

But keep banging that "climate change" drum as the cause of everything...

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Hunting was the biggest threat to polar bears. Since the ban on hunting was put in place, 50 years ago, their #s have doubled...

50 years after hunting ban polar bears are thriving, new report shows - The Global Warming Policy Foundation (https://www.thegwpf.org/publications/50-years-after-hunting-ban-polar-bears-are-thriving-new-report-shows/)

But keep banging that "climate change" drum as the cause of everything...

There are now too many Polar Bears (thanks to global warming) and now the international community allows ~700 "harvests" each year to keep them under control. It only costs $50,000 per tag. This is no different than the ~700 Black Bear "harvests" in New Jersey each year.

[jimjamuser]

There are now too many Polar Bears (thanks to global warming) and now the international community allows ~700 "harvests" each year to keep them under control. It only costs $50,000 per tag. This is no different than the ~700 Black Bear "harvests" in New Jersey each year.
Polar bears are considered a THREATENED animal.

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Polar bears are considered a THREATENED animal.

They are only considered threatened to the indoctrinated. If polar bears were really threatened then they would not "harvest" about 800 a year to keep them under control. All you have to do is Google polar bear hunts, and then sign up, and then you too can help support a local Inuit (Eskimo) family -- they need to eat too -- because there's no Publix that far north.

[fdpaq0580]

Polar bears are considered a THREATENED animal.

But he just told us "there are too many polar bears"! They're everywhere, frightening the kids at Sumter Landing, attacking line dancers at Brownwood! Oh, the humanity! (he cried in despair). Too many polar bears. Note: the preceeding was sarcasm.

Polar bears are a species like many others, threated by loss of habitat, food sources, as a result of human expansion, industry and global warming, a condition whose current increase is exacerbated/accelerated by human activities world wide. Root of the problem is over population. ( To be continued. You're welcome.)

[fdpaq0580]

They are only considered threatened to the indoctrinated. If polar bears were really threatened then they would not "harvest" about 800 a year to keep them under control. All you have to do is Google polar bear hunts, and then sign up, and then you too can help support a local Inuit (Eskimo) family -- they need to eat too -- because there's no Publix that far north.

They are only they are not considered threatened by the inoculated and/or inebriated.

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But he just told us "there are too many polar bears"! They're everywhere, frightening the kids at Sumter Landing, attacking line dancers at Brownwood! Oh, the humanity! (he cried in despair). Too many polar bears. Note: the preceeding was sarcasm.

Polar bears are a species like many others, threated by loss of habitat, food sources, as a result of human expansion, industry and global warming, a condition whose current increase is exacerbated/accelerated by human activities world wide. Root of the problem is over population. ( To be continued. You're welcome.)


Loss of Polar Bear habitat is fake news because the bear population keeps growing. Source: polarbearscience.com

[fdpaq0580]

Loss of Polar Bear habitat is fake news because the bear population keeps growing. Source: polarbearscience.com

Sorry! You are passing fake news. Habitat loss is very real, and polar bears are being forced into areas they have never been until recently, for food. Brown/grizzly bears are moving north and encountering polars. Matings have occurred creating a new hybrid bear. Snow and ice of the Arctic ice is diminishing every year.

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Sorry! You are passing fake news. Habitat loss is very real, and polar bears are being forced into areas they have never been until recently, for food. Brown/grizzly bears are moving north and encountering polars. Matings have occurred creating a new hybrid bear. Snow and ice of the Arctic ice is diminishing every year.

Nice try -- but data trumps narrative.

[fdpaq0580]

Nice try -- but data trumps narrative.

Sorry. My "narrative" is based on NASA stats showing a loss of arctic ice at a rate of 12.2% annually.

By the way checked out your source "polarbearscience.com". A blog site!?! Just posting a supposed source does not ensurec said source is credible. My knowledge based comments come from a multitude of reliable international sources. My comments are usually a congomeration of information gathered from the sources. Therefore, trying to figure which individual source per bite to credit becomes a waste of time.
Time for coffee and pumpkin pie.
Happy Thanksgiving!

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Sorry. My "narrative" is based on NASA stats showing a loss of arctic ice at a rate of 12.2% annually.

By the way checked out your source "polarbearscience.com". A blog site!?! Just posting a supposed source does not ensurec said source is credible. My knowledge based comments come from a multitude of reliable international sources. My comments are usually a congomeration of information gathered from the sources. Therefore, trying to figure which individual source per bite to credit becomes a waste of time.
Time for coffee and pumpkin pie.
Happy Thanksgiving!

You can choose any narrative you like, but as Polar Bear population keeps growing, harvesting will keep growing. The "harvesting" board meets each year to decide the numbers, just they do for the Black Bears in New Jersey.

[fdpaq0580]

You can choose any narrative you like, but as Polar Bear population keeps growing, harvesting will keep growing. The "harvesting" board meets each year to decide the numbers, just they do for the Black Bears in New Jersey.

You are talking "harvesting" (aka killing for profit/fun, big game hunting). I'm talking habitat loss.

[golfing eagles]

You are talking "harvesting" (aka killing for profit/fun, big game hunting). I'm talking habitat loss.

And you don't think those two are related???????

Let's see----loss of habitat = LESS polar bears and therefore protected species
NO loss of habitat = MORE polar bears and hence permission to harvest.

Sorry, but once again the false climate change narrative doesn't stand up to simple logic

[Bill14564]

And you don't think those two are related???????

Let's see----loss of habitat = LESS polar bears and therefore protected species
NO loss of habitat = MORE polar bears and hence permission to harvest.

Sorry, but once again the false climate change narrative doesn't stand up to simple logic

Sorry, but that misses a point. Loss of habitat = more encroachment on civilization = more permission to harvest (in the name of safety, of course)

[golfing eagles]

Sorry, but that misses a point. Loss of habitat = more encroachment on civilization = more permission to harvest (in the name of safety, of course)

I doubt “safety” is behind the reasoning for allowing harvesting, overpopulation of the bears and resulting starvation is far more likely. And there isn’t a whole lot of civilization where polar bears live

[Bill14564]

I doubt “safety” is behind the reasoning for allowing harvesting, overpopulation of the bears and resulting starvation is far more likely. And there isn’t a whole lot of civilization where polar bears live

The few people that live there may feel that they are civilization enough.

Starvation of who/what? Nature tends to keep itself in check with no human intervention required. Humans tend to cause starvation situations, not solve them.

[golfing eagles]

The few people that live there may feel that they are civilization enough.

Starvation of who/what? Nature tends to keep itself in check with no human intervention required. Humans tend to cause starvation situations, not solve them.

Animals can become overpopulated for a variety of reasons, most of which have nothing to do with humans

[fdpaq0580]

And you don't think those two are related???????

Let's see----loss of habitat = LESS polar bears and therefore protected species
NO loss of habitat = MORE polar bears and hence permission to harvest.

Sorry, but once again the false climate change narrative doesn't stand up to simple logic

Yep. Your logic is simple. Too bad reality is so much more complex.
Just a thought. If bear numbers are a real problem, why harvest fully grown males? Harvesting females and cubs would be easier, safer, and the horrible rampaging polar bears numbers would plummet back to safe levels. No need to charge outrageous fees for a tag. Let native hunters clear the arctic for free. Polar bear coats and rugs could be a native industry.... temporarily.
Just a simple solution to the bear problem. No more bears means no more bear problems, right? Simple logic says extermination is the answer.

[golfing eagles]

Yep. Your logic is simple. Too bad reality is so much more complex.
Just a thought. If bear numbers are a real problem, why harvest fully grown males? Harvesting females and cubs would be easier, safer, and the horrible rampaging polar bears numbers would plummet back to safe levels. No need to charge outrageous fees for a tag. Let native hunters clear the arctic for free. Polar bear coats and rugs could be a native industry.... temporarily.
Just a simple solution to the bear problem. No more bears means no more bear problems, right? Simple logic says extermination is the answer.

Once again, a foray into reductio ad absurdum.

Plus, no one profits from allowing hunting for free :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

At Chobe National Park in Botswana, we were talking with a guide who had a side business of taking big game hunters to kill a lion. He buys a "single lion kill permit" from the government and then sells the hunt and the lion for $80,000!!!!! I can only wonder what the polar bear profit scheme is.

PS: "Civilization" is encroaching lion habitats to a far greater extent than "igloo cities" are encroaching polar bears. But lions are not endangered (yet), so this type of limited hunting is permitted (for $$$$). It's highly unlikely that polar bear harvesting would be permitted if the species were endangered, due to "loss of habitat" which some deluded false narrative climate change believers claim.

[fdpaq0580]

I doubt “safety” is behind the reasoning for allowing harvesting, overpopulation of the bears and resulting starvation is far more likely. And there isn’t a whole lot of civilization where polar bears live

Safety has nothing to do with it. It's a chance to make $$$. Period. Exclusive for wealthy big game hunters to prove themselves against nature. 🤭🤭😏🙄

[fdpaq0580]

Once again, a foray into reductio ad absurdum.

Plus, no one profits from allowing hunting for free :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

At Chobe National Park in Botswana, we were talking with a guide who had a side business of taking big game hunters to kill a lion. He buys a "single lion kill permit" from the government and then sells the hunt and the lion for $80,000!!!!! I can only wonder what the polar bear profit scheme is.

PS: "Civilization" is encroaching lion habitats to a far greater extent than "igloo cities" are encroaching polar bears. But lions are not endangered (yet), so this type of limited hunting is permitted (for $$$$). It's highly unlikely that polar bear harvesting would be permitted if the species were endangered, due to "loss of habitat" which some deluded false narrative climate change believers claim.

I see my sarcasm was lost on you. My apologies for not labeling it for easy recognition.

[golfing eagles]

Safety has nothing to do with it. It's a chance to make $$$. Period. Exclusive for wealthy big game hunters to prove themselves against nature. 🤭🤭😏🙄

We AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course, that's exactly what I posted, but I think it should count anyway :agree::agree::agree:

[fdpaq0580]

Animals can become overpopulated for a variety of reasons, most of which have nothing to do with humans

Killing/removing of predators is one way. Humans are involved in most cases. Over breeding. Humans. Species introduced into ner areas, causing unforseen consequences. Humans.
Anywhere humans go they alter their surroundings. The more humans, the greater the alterations.
Once, we were a part of nature. Now, we (8 billion and growing exponentially) have become a force of nature. Great, powerful in our destruction and reshaping of our planet. Like a child with a gun, they realize they have something powerful, but they can't begin to comprehend the never ending list of consequences of their potential choices of action.

[fdpaq0580]

We AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course, that's exactly what I posted, but I think it should count anyway :agree::agree::agree:

We agree more often than you might suspect, but not always for the same reasons. The important thing is, regardless of differences we can still be friends.

[golfing eagles]

We agree more often than you might suspect, but not always for the same reasons. The important thing is, regardless of differences we can still be friends.

:beer3::beer3::beer3:

[JustSomeGuy]

One thing I can't help notice is that none of those who say they care about the planet and the "people impacted" have not done research on what the optimal temperature is for the entire world population. Is it more important to save a donors beach house (dang, those concerned keep buying beach front property too....why?) than provide the most food and best climate for everyone?

Seems the efforts are more self serving than based on saving the planet. If you are concerned about climate change wouldn't you first determine the optimal temperature then defend or plan to never exceed that? At want temperature is the most food produced? What temperature has the most people living comfortably and using the least energy? Shouldn't those questions be answered by anyone claiming to want to "save the planet"?

[golfing eagles]

One thing I can't help notice is that none of those who say they care about the planet and the "people impacted" have not done research on what the optimal temperature is for the entire world population. Is it more important to save a donors beach house (dang, those concerned keep buying beach front property too....why?) than provide the most food and best climate for everyone?

Seems the efforts are more self serving than based on saving the planet. If you are concerned about climate change wouldn't you first determine the optimal temperature then defend or plan to never exceed that? At want temperature is the most food produced? What temperature has the most people living comfortably and using the least energy? Shouldn't those questions be answered by anyone claiming to want to "save the planet"?

Sorry, but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. "Optimal temperature"???? Where??? When??? for what people?? There is no worldwide average temp that applies to different populations in different areas. Eskimo optimum is not Zulu optimum. Polar bear optimum is not Bengal tiger optimum. Optimum today is not optimum 65 million years ago. And averages mean nothing---you can drown in a lake with an average depth of 1/4 inch.

[fdpaq0580]

Sorry, but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. "Optimal temperature"???? Where??? When??? for what people?? There is no worldwide average temp that applies to different populations in different areas. Eskimo optimum is not Zulu optimum. Polar bear optimum is not Bengal tiger optimum. Optimum today is not optimum 65 million years ago. And averages mean nothing---you can drown in a lake with an average depth of 1/4 inch.

Totally disagree! Oh, you said "average" depth.

TOTALLY AGREE!

[golfing eagles]

Totally disagree! Oh, you said "average" depth.

TOTALLY AGREE!

I have a great idea.....

Instead of debating, let's bet:

If our coastal cities are 50+ feet underwater in 100 years, I'll buy the drinks
If not, you buy

Sounds like a win-win:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[JMintzer]

I have a great idea.....

Instead of debating, let's bet:

If our coastal cities are 50+ feet underwater in 100 years, I'll buy the drinks
If not, you buy

Sounds like a win-win:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Drinks?

Do you have any idea how much "Ensure" will cost in 100 years? :beer3:

[fdpaq0580]

Drinks?

Do you have any idea how much "Ensure" will cost in 100 years? :beer3:

I was gonna take that bet. Then you go and spoil it with a dose of reality! Killjoy!

[sounding]

You are talking "harvesting" (aka killing for profit/fun, big game hunting). I'm talking habitat loss.

Polar bears are increasing, just like Black Bears -- because global warming enhances life of all types of earth. It's up to you if you want to participate in harvesting and add to your trophy wall.

[fdpaq0580]

Polar bears are increasing, just like Black Bears -- because global warming enhances life of all types of earth. It's up to you if you want to participate in harvesting and add to your trophy wall.

I don't have a trophy wall. Never felt the need for one.
Also, disagree that heat is welcomed by all life forms.

[Bill14564]

Polar bears are increasing, just like Black Bears -- because global warming enhances life of all types of earth. It's up to you if you want to participate in harvesting and add to your trophy wall.

Do you have any science at all for that assertion? Is the population of polar bears increasing or is the count becoming more inclusive and more accurate? Perhaps previously uncounted populations are now being driven into regions where counting occurs.

"Enhances life of all types?" I think you mean all types of life except those that are dying off due to excessive heat.

[sounding]

Do you have any science at all for that assertion? Is the population of polar bears increasing or is the count becoming more inclusive and more accurate? Perhaps previously uncounted populations are now being driven into regions where counting occurs.

"Enhances life of all types?" I think you mean all types of life except those that are dying off due to excessive heat.

Just follow PolarBearScience.com for supporting data, or attend the Weather Club for more information. Global warming saves lives -- even polar bear lives.

[gorillarick]

I love the TOTV “know-it-all’s” climate experts both the left and right. I played golf yesterday, with a Bob, who said he moved from the gulf coast “to get away from the hurricanes”. “I had enough” he said. True story. Oh, he put our group to shame. Shot par on Okeechobee.

Did he not know they had hurricanes on the coast of Florida before moving there?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ph4i-nrdsM

might need more than 50 years. . . is this ocean rising or land submerging?
not far from land, and not very deep. .

looks like the sea level has been rising for a very long time. . since there was a land bridge between England and Europe . .

[fdpaq0580]

Just follow PolarBearScience.com for supporting data, or attend the Weather Club for more information. Global warming saves lives -- even polar bear lives.

I checked out PolarBearScience.com. It's a Blog site that is (imo) less than credible. But if it tells you what you like to hear (fantasy? ) then, by all means, enjoy.
"Weather Club for more" indoctrination is probably more accurate. Again, just mho.
Have a nice day!

[sounding]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ph4i-nrdsM

might need more than 50 years. . . is this ocean rising or land submerging?
not far from land, and not very deep. .

looks like the sea level has been rising for a very long time. . since there was a land bridge between England and Europe . .

Oceans are only rising a tiny 1.5 mm a year. Seas were about 25 feet higher during the prior Interglacial Warm Period. This is all natural climate change.

[fdpaq0580]

Oceans are only rising a tiny 1.5 mm a year. Seas were about 25 feet higher during the prior Interglacial Warm Period. This is all natural climate change.

Cute yellow submarine cartoon. Adds a lot to the veracity of the cartoons assertion.

[sounding]

Cute yellow submarine cartoon. Adds a lot to the veracity of the cartoons assertion.

For those who enjoy science facts versus science fictions, there will soon be another "Sea Level Rise" talk in the Villages. Audiences enjoyed the last two talks. Each talk gets better each time it's given as new information is added/updated for each talk. Folks especially enjoy the yellow-submarine music.

[gorillarick]

To all of you shaking in your sandals about global warming; so what are you doing about it besides whining?

Are you still driving your 4000 pound 18mpg SUV to get a beer? Trying to minimize your energy use? Going without air conditioning? Haa
And God forbid, air travel is out! Bill Gates should sell his private jet! and AlGore and J.Kerry.
Air conditioned golf carts?
If you are so concerned, you'd do something. Yeah, all mouth.
No your Tesla is not helping; your energy is mostly coming from fossil fuel - unless your roof is covered with solar panels - and it is debatable if over their lifetime (manufacturing included) that they have a net 0 either. Haa

“When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race.”
H.G. Wells

[golfing eagles]

To all of you shaking in your sandals about global warming; so what are you doing about it besides whining?

Are you still driving your 4000 pound 18mpg SUV to get a beer? Trying to minimize your energy use? Going without air conditioning? Haa
And God forbid, air travel is out! Bill Gates should sell his private jet! and AlGore and J.Kerry.
Air conditioned golf carts?
If you are so concerned, you'd do something. Yeah, all mouth.
No your Tesla is not helping; your energy is mostly coming from fossil fuel - unless your roof is covered with solar panels - and it is debatable if over their lifetime (manufacturing included) that they have a net 0 either. Haa

“When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race.”
H.G. Wells

But isn't a failure to practice what they preach a hallmark of all cults, especially their leaders?????

[Bill14564]

To all of you shaking in your sandals about global warming; so what are you doing about it besides whining?
Not whining or shaking, just keeping an open mind and noticing trends and correlations.


Are you still driving your 4000 pound 18mpg SUV to get a beer? Trying to minimize your energy use? Going without air conditioning? Haa
And God forbid, air travel is out! Bill Gates should sell his private jet! and AlGore and J.Kerry.
Air conditioned golf carts?
No
Yes
No
Haven't traveled by air in years (though there is an European trip coming up that will require it)
No


If you are so concerned, you'd do something. Yeah, all mouth.
You believe you know the answer before asking the question or considering the data. Seems to be common among deniers.


No your Tesla is not helping; your energy is mostly coming from fossil fuel - unless your roof is covered with solar panels - and it is debatable if over their lifetime (manufacturing included) that they have a net 0 either. Haa
Well actually....
- Energy for the Tesla may be mostly fossil fuel but energy for ICE is 100% fossil fuels. Power on the grid is a mix of fossil, hydroelectric, wind, solar, and nuclear. US electricity is down to 60% fossil fuel (FL lags behind at about 82%). That seems helpful.

- The energy for my electric cart is less than half the cost for my gas cart. This could be due to the mixture of energy sources for electrical generation, increased efficiency in electrical generation, or better efficiency of the electric motor. In any case, an EV uses less fossil fuel than an ICE for the same distance traveled. It seems like that would help.

- At just 2,000 miles/year, my electric cart is saving me $200 in gas money, at least 20 trips to the gas station, and $150 in fuel costs overall compared to driving a car. That helps me.

- Debatable? "Unknown" would be a more accurate word. "Debatable" only due to speculation and "whataboutism."

[gorillarick]

Not whining or shaking, just keeping an open mind and noticing trends and correlations.


No
Yes
No
Haven't traveled by air in years (though there is an European trip coming up that will require it)
No


You believe you know the answer before asking the question or considering the data. Seems to be common among deniers.


Well actually....
- Energy for the Tesla may be mostly fossil fuel but energy for ICE is 100% fossil fuels. Power on the grid is a mix of fossil, hydroelectric, wind, solar, and nuclear. US electricity is down to 60% fossil fuel (FL lags behind at about 82%). That seems helpful.

- The energy for my electric cart is less than half the cost for my gas cart. This could be due to the mixture of energy sources for electrical generation, increased efficiency in electrical generation, or better efficiency of the electric motor. In any case, an EV uses less fossil fuel than an ICE for the same distance traveled. It seems like that would help.

- At just 2,000 miles/year, my electric cart is saving me $200 in gas money, at least 20 trips to the gas station, and $150 in fuel costs overall compared to driving a car. That helps me.

- Debatable? "Unknown" would be a more accurate word. "Debatable" only due to speculation and "whataboutism."
"Seems to be common among deniers."

Name calling ? Modus operandi

[fdpaq0580]

Haa


That's tellin' 'em! 😠

[fdpaq0580]

Do you have any science at all for that assertion? Is the population of polar bears increasing or is the count becoming more inclusive and more accurate? Perhaps previously uncounted populations are now being driven into regions where counting occurs.

"Enhances life of all types?" I think you mean all types of life except those that are dying off due to excessive heat.

Dear Bill,
"S", whom you responded to is pushing an agenda. As such, he will recommend as references only those places, sites or articles that reflect favorably on his position.
I suggest checking major internationally recognized sites, such as World Wildlife Federation (WWF) to see how the various populations of polar bears are doing. There are @ 19 various populations, I believe. Some seem to be increasing, some are decreasing and some seem stable. Some are so remote the information is sketchy. The increases are related to protection, inspire of habitat loss.
Enjoy your "hunt" (research) for the magnificent polar bear. 🙂🙃🫠😉

[sounding]

Dear Bill,
"S", whom you responded to is pushing an agenda. As such, he will recommend as references only those places, sites or articles that reflect favorably on his position.
I suggest checking major internationally recognized sites, such as World Wildlife Federation (WWF) to see how the various populations of polar bears are doing. There are @ 19 various populations, I believe. Some seem to be increasing, some are decreasing and some seem stable. Some are so remote the information is sketchy. The increases are related to protection, inspire of habitat loss.
Enjoy your "hunt" (research) for the magnificent polar bear. 🙂🙃🫠😉

Or -- for some reality, just Google $50,000 polar bear hunts -- and you too can help control polar bear overpopulation. Unknownist to the climate cult, global warming save lives - all life forms - even cultists. Currently food production is increasing while famines are decreasing -- thanks to global warming and increasing CO2. CO2 will be discussed in detail Dec 19 at 1:30 at Laurel Manor.

[fdpaq0580]

Or -- for some reality, just Google $50,000 polar bear hunts -- and you too can help control polar bear overpopulation. Unknownist to the climate cult, global warming save lives - all life forms - even cultists. Currently food production is increasing while famines are decreasing -- thanks to global warming and increasing CO2. CO2 will be discussed in detail Dec 19 at 1:30 at Laurel Manor.

For some more reality, you can cherry pick stuff to paint any picture you want. Various places allow native subsistence hunting. Others allow strictly regulated hunts. If you are desperate enough to kill any kind of animal, and can afford the price tag, you can go kill whatever your little heart desires. It isn't really about holding down polar bear population as much as it is about feeding the ego of would be big game hunters for $$$. Left alone, mother nature will regulate animal populations.
You can even go hunt the fabulous musk ox, for money. But why? They look impressive, but it's like shooting fish in a barrel. They are raised like cattle in many places. Big whoop! Might just as well go to the local dairy and pay the farmer to let you kill one of his cows. Cut down on cow farts?

[sounding]

For some more reality, you can cherry pick stuff to paint any picture you want. Various places allow native subsistence hunting. Others allow strictly regulated hunts. If you are desperate enough to kill any kind of animal, and can afford the price tag, you can go kill whatever your little heart desires. It isn't really about holding down polar bear population as much as it is about feeding the ego of would be big game hunters for $$$. Left alone, mother nature will regulate animal populations.
You can even go hunt the fabulous musk ox, for money. But why? They look impressive, but it's like shooting fish in a barrel. They are raised like cattle in many places. Big whoop! Might just as well go to the local dairy and pay the farmer to let you kill one of his cows. Cut down on cow farts?

The fact is ... there are too many polar bears so the international community engages in annual harvests. The amazing part is that people still send money to scam organizations claiming to save the polar bears.

[fdpaq0580]

Or -- for some reality, just Google $50,000 polar bear hunts -- and you too can help control polar bear overpopulation. Unknownist to the climate cult, global warming save lives - all life forms - even cultists. Currently food production is increasing while famines are decreasing -- thanks to global warming and increasing CO2. CO2 will be discussed in detail Dec 19 at 1:30 at Laurel Manor.

Food production has zip to do with global warming compared to increased farming and improved techniques.
Oh, and don't forget to take your CO2 fire extinguisher to demonstrate how great it is for all life forms by blankets a terrarium in CO2. Breath deep. It's good for you. You said so!

[Bill14564]

The fact is ... there are too many polar bears so the international community engages in annual harvests. The amazing part is that people still send money to scam organizations claiming to save the polar bears.

"Too many" according to who and by what standards?

"International community engages in annual harvests?" Didn't you previously point to a for-profit, pay-per-kill license. Sounds less like a internationally-approved harvest and more like a locally-approved fundraiser.

[sounding]

Food production has zip to do with global warming compared to increased farming and improved techniques.
Oh, and don't forget to take your CO2 fire extinguisher to demonstrate how great it is for all life forms by blankets a terrarium in CO2. Breath deep. It's good for you. You said so!

Canadians and Siberians love "global warming" as it extends the growing season, enabling healthier and happier populations. Weather Club attendees also know that increasing CO2 is also making the earth greener -- and they even know that human exhaled breath, which contains 400 times more CO2 than our atmosphere, can save a life.

[Bill14564]

Canadians and Siberians love "global warming" as it extends the growing season, enabling healthier and happier populations. Weather Club attendees also know that increasing CO2 is also making the earth greener -- and they even know that human exhaled breath, which contains 400 times more CO2 than our atmosphere, can save a life.

Confirmation bias and misuse/misunderstanding of data at its best.

10,000 in motorcycle helmets is measured but is not considered healthy (CO2 and O2 Levels in Integrated Motorcycle Helmets (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0003687005000384))

40,000 in exhaled breath used for CPR is not the ideal but is what is available and is better than nothing. Exhaled air at 40,000 is not what is chosen when bottling air for emergency situations. In those cases, "standard" air at 400 is used or straight O2 (at 0) is used.

[sounding]

"Too many" according to who and by what standards?

"International community engages in annual harvests?" Didn't you previously point to a for-profit, pay-per-kill license. Sounds less like a internationally-approved harvest and more like a locally-approved fundraiser.

"Too many" is defined by the number of allowed harvests each year -- which typically range from 600 to 800 ... which is similar to the Black Bear hunts in NJ and elsewhere. Weather Club attendees know this stuff which can be confirmed via Canadian government offices, which is easily Googleable. Bottom line - there is no climate crisis - just climate alarmism.

[sounding]

Canadians and Siberians love "global warming" as it extends the growing season, enabling healthier and happier populations. Weather Club attendees also know that increasing CO2 is also making the earth greener -- and they even know that human exhaled breath, which contains 400 times more CO2 than our atmosphere, can save a life.

Canadians love global warming - just like the Siberians ... Warming climate powers Canadian agriculture | Toronto Sun (https://torontosun.com/opinion/jayaraj-warming-climate-powers-canadian-agriculture)

[fdpaq0580]

Canadians love global warming - just like the Siberians ... Warming climate powers Canadian agriculture | Toronto Sun (https://torontosun.com/opinion/jayaraj-warming-climate-powers-canadian-agriculture)

Which Canadians and Siberians? Just like on TOTV you can find some folks that like one thing while others dislike it. There will always be someone who will speak opposing ideas, either out of ignorance or to propagate a falsehood.
We know the planet is heating up. We know that it is heating faster than it normally would. We know that humans are populating, polluting and plundering the planet. Huge areas of the planetary habitats and ecosystems are being systematically being destroyed by human endeavors. Short term thinkers wanting short term comforts try everything they can to deflect from the reality that humans are at the root of the planets woes, exacerbating global warming, poisoning earth, air and sea. We see the change in positions, from denying that global warming is real to acknowledging it but denying that it is a problem or that humanity plays any role. Little by little, step by step, as the truth becomes undeniable, there will still be some who will refuse to accept it. All is not right in the world, and we broke it. It's up to us, all of us, to become big boys and girls, accept we have a problem. Then, maybe, just maybe, we can try to fix it.
My time is getting short. I can't do much but be honest with myself and make some easy and practical changes. Oh, and cheer on the truth tellers.

[sounding]

Which Canadians and Siberians? Just like on TOTV you can find some folks that like one thing while others dislike it. There will always be someone who will speak opposing ideas, either out of ignorance or to propagate a falsehood.
We know the planet is heating up. We know that it is heating faster than it normally would. We know that humans are populating, polluting and plundering the planet. Huge areas of the planetary habitats and ecosystems are being systematically being destroyed by human endeavors. Short term thinkers wanting short term comforts try everything they can to deflect from the reality that humans are at the root of the planets woes, exacerbating global warming, poisoning earth, air and sea. We see the change in positions, from denying that global warming is real to acknowledging it but denying that it is a problem or that humanity plays any role. Little by little, step by step, as the truth becomes undeniable, there will still be some who will refuse to accept it. All is not right in the world, and we broke it. It's up to us, all of us, to become big boys and girls, accept we have a problem. Then, maybe, just maybe, we can try to fix it.
My time is getting short. I can't do much but be honest with myself and make some easy and practical changes. Oh, and cheer on the truth tellers.

Canadians know ... Just a moment... (https://www.producer.com/news/growing-season-grows-longer/)

[fdpaq0580]

Canadians know ... Just a moment... (https://www.producer.com/news/growing-season-grows-longer/)

Canadians know a lot. Most realize that, as one travel ad says, they have the best backyard in the world. Hunting, fishing, hiking,canoeing, kayaking in the warmer months. Skiing, snowboarding, snowmobile, snowshoe hikes, ice fishing in the cold months. Global warming can/will affect all that. To every positive there is a negative. Longer growing season does not automatically translate to more food, higher profit. Not every industry will experience positive results. Many may falter and fail. For a healthy planet all things must be in balance.

[sounding]

Canadians know a lot. Most realize that, as one travel ad says, they have the best backyard in the world. Hunting, fishing, hiking,canoeing, kayaking in the warmer months. Skiing, snowboarding, snowmobile, snowshoe hikes, ice fishing in the cold months. Global warming can/will affect all that. To every positive there is a negative. Longer growing season does not automatically translate to more food, higher profit. Not every industry will experience positive results. Many may falter and fail. For a healthy planet all things must be in balance.

That "balance" thing is a made-up construct to delude the public in thinking climate change is a crisis -- when it's climate alarmism that's the crisis. Our climate was never in balance -- which is why the climate keeps changing. Look at the graph of the past ... exactly when was the earth ever in balance -- never.

[fdpaq0580]

That "balance" thing is a made-up construct to delude the public in thinking climate change was a crisis -- when it's climate alarmism that's the crisis. Our climate was never in balance -- which is why the climate keeps changing. Look at the graph of the past ... exactly when was the earth ever in balance -- never.

Balance in the natural world isn't actually the same thing as stationary or static. When you stand still your muscles are constantly making minute adjustments to keep you appearing to be sill as you breath. In the natural world if there is excess food, animals may birth more babies. When food is scarce, animals may produce less offspring or, if things are really rough, some animals can spontaneously abort fetuses so the mother will have a better chance of survival until food becomes more plentiful. A tightrope walker balances on the rope but isn't stationary. Not for a moment. But, as skilled as the balancer is, if they are interfered with, even a little bit, they can start to swing and sway more and more until the fall. Unless they get some help to allow them to reestablish that delicate balance.
No one ever claimed the climate was static. Our planet has had hot periods and cold periods. But always the changes were totally the work of natural forces. This time though, the forces of nature have, unexpectedly, have had a little extra help from (drum roll, please) Humanity! We are one interference clinging to one leg of that wobbly tightrope walker. The more of us there are, the more interference we create, causing the more farther out of balance things get.

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Balance in the natural world isn't actually the same thing as stationary or static. When you stand still your muscles are constantly making minute adjustments to keep you appearing to be sill as you breath. In the natural world if there is excess food, animals may birth more babies. When food is scarce, animals may produce less offspring or, if things are really rough, some animals can spontaneously abort fetuses so the mother will have a better chance of survival until food becomes more plentiful. A tightrope walker balances on the rope but isn't stationary. Not for a moment. But, as skilled as the balancer is, if they are interfered with, even a little bit, they can start to swing and sway more and more until the fall. Unless they get some help to allow them to reestablish that delicate balance.
No one ever claimed the climate was static. Our planet has had hot periods and cold periods. But always the changes were totally the work of natural forces. This time though, the forces of nature have, unexpectedly, have had a little extra help from (drum roll, please) Humanity! We are one interference clinging to one leg of that wobbly tightrope walker. The more of us there are, the more interference we create, causing the more farther out of balance things get.

Nice narrative - but without supporting data. However, I have data, which shows global warming and increasing CO2 are benefiting life on earth. Go on a cruise, golf, go swimming, or play tennis -- and enjoy our optimum climate.

[gorillarick]

"Our climate was never in balance -- which is why the climate keeps changing. "


In thermodynamics; we'd say it is impossible to have equilibrium (balance), because we are not in a closed system.

Yes, seems like we're currently on a positive trajectory of climate changing.
Lucky, blessed, or a little of both?

[Bill14564]

Nice narrative - but without supporting data. However, I have data, which shows global warming and increasing CO2 are benefiting life on earth. Go on a cruise, golf, go swimming, or play tennis -- and enjoy our optimum climate.

Interesting... But these data also show global warming and increasing CO2 are adversely affecting human birthrates as well as populations of larger mammals. There will be more room on the courses or in the pools for the few children that are born but there will be no more whales to see on those cruises.

This would seem to show that fewer famine deaths are due to fewer children to begin with.... and according to your interpretation of the data, all because of increasing CO2.

[fdpaq0580]

Nice narrative - but without supporting data. However, I have data, which shows global warming and increasing CO2 are benefiting life on earth. Go on a cruise, golf, go swimming, or play tennis -- and enjoy our optimum climate.

Whose "supporting data"?
Reminds me of the old joke about the guy who was warned about he coming flood, but he refused to evacuate. "Jesus will save me"; he said.
When the water reached his front door, a swamp buggy came by and offered to take him to safety. "Jesus will save me", he said.
When the water filled the first floor of his house, a boat came by and offered to take him to safety. "Jesus will save me", he said.
Finally, the flood drove him onto the roof. A helicopter came to save him. "Jesus will save me", he shouted.
When he asked Jesus, "why didn't you save me?" Jesus said "I had the weather service warn you. And I arranged the swamp buggy, boat and helicopter."

Please consider me, and others like me, to be the weather service. Disagree if you wish.

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Interesting... But these data also show global warming and increasing CO2 are adversely affecting human birthrates as well as populations of larger mammals. There will be more room on the courses or in the pools for the few children that are born but there will be no more whales to see on those cruises.

This would seem to show that fewer famine deaths are due to fewer children to begin with.... and according to your interpretation of the data, all because of increasing CO2.

Births are a personal choice and nothing to do with climate, expect for the climate scare-mongering which drives the uneducated young to avoid births -- it's psychological. Note -- people are living longer. -- thanks to global warming and increasing CO2 -- which is why so many are moving south to warmer climates -- like the Villages.

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"Our climate was never in balance -- which is why the climate keeps changing. "


In thermodynamics; we'd say it is impossible to have equilibrium (balance), because we are not in a closed system.

Yes, seems like we're currently on a positive trajectory of climate changing.
Lucky, blessed, or a little of both?

It's well known that global warming saves lives and increasing CO2 grows more food. It's a win-win.

[Bill14564]

Births are a personal choice and nothing to do with climate, expect for the climate scare-mongering which drives the uneducated young to avoid births -- it's psychological. Note -- people are living longer. -- thanks to global warming and increasing CO2 -- which is why so many are moving south to warmer climates -- like the Villages.

It's well known that global warming saves lives and increasing CO2 grows more food. It's a win-win.

Clearly, that is not what the data shows.

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Clearly, that is not what the data shows.

Why are more and more homes being in and around the Villages - so fast?

[Bill14564]

Why are more and more homes being in and around the Villages - so fast?

Increasing CO2 I would imagine.

If not that, then perhaps a very large group of people are hitting retirement age. These would be the people born right around 1960 before the declining birthrate due to CO2 took hold. Developer has to take advantage of the situation now before the bottom drops out.

The question for homes is how long the building can continue when the number of retirees drops off. This is the same as the question of how Social Security will continue with fewer and fewer workers paying in to the program due to declining birthrate due to increasing CO2.

[gorillarick]

proposal for
Ric's Law: "The first person to use the word 'denier' in an argument automatically loses."


inspired by a corollary to Godwin's Law (paraphrased); 'the first person to use the 'h' word in an argument automatically loses."

edit: add "flat-earth meetings" to the list

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Increasing CO2 I would imagine.

If not that, then perhaps a very large group of people are hitting retirement age. These would be the people born right around 1960 before the declining birthrate due to CO2 took hold. Developer has to take advantage of the situation now before the bottom drops out.

The question for homes is how long the building can continue when the number of retirees drops off. This is the same as the question of how Social Security will continue with fewer and fewer workers paying in to the program due to declining birthrate due to increasing CO2.

For more CO2 information ... Dec 19 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4nzRFhwuuU

[Bill14564]

For more CO2 information ... Dec 19 at 1:30 PM at Laurel Manor ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4nzRFhwuuU

No thank you. Been to enough of those flat-earth meetings already.

Honestly, the weather club had some interesting presentations up until a couple of years ago. Since then, too many sessions are simply echo chambers for climate change denial.

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No thank you. Been to enough of those flat-earth meetings already.

Honestly, the weather club had some interesting presentations up until a couple of years ago. Since then, too many sessions are simply echo chambers for climate change denial.

If you have data proving man-made CO2 harms our climate then bring it on. Otherwise, there is no climate crisis - just climate alarmism - and you know it because you're living it. In the meantime, after each talk - the Weather Club gains more and more members.

[Bill14564]

If you have data proving man-made CO2 harms our climate then bring it on.

See post #117 (have you already forgotten that???)

In the meantime, after each talk - the Weather Club gains more and more members.

Counting "likes" as a measure of belief..... "Wicked" is setting records for box office sales, I guess that means there are a record number people who believe in green witches and munchkins?

[gorillarick]

Galileo spent many of his last years in house arrest because of his theory about the earth not being the center of the universe.

as judged by the "Intelligencia" of the day; 'the scientific community.'


Soon after publishing; 100 scientists concurred that A. Einstein's Theory of Relativity was wrong.
Einstein's reply to his inner circle - paraphrased; 'Why 100? It only takes one to prove me wrong.'
(btw: Einstein never got a Nobel Prize for any of his work.)

[fdpaq0580]

Note -- people are living longer. -- thanks to global warming and increasing CO2 -- .

ROTFLMAO!!! 😄😁😆😂

OK! Science, better Healthcare, medicine, none of that makes any difference, right? Longer lifespans are the result of global warming and increasing CO2? OMG! I never new that. 🤭😄😁
Oh! Oh! My sides hurt.

🤸*♂️🤸*♀️ Global Warming! Global Warming! Sis-Boom-Ba! Pump up the CO2 and turn the world into a SPA! Yeah!

[fdpaq0580]

Why are more and more homes being in and around the Villages - so fast?

Are you kidding?

[gorillarick]

106702

classic example of a motive for confirmational bias

[fdpaq0580]

proposal for
Ric's Law: "The first person to use the word 'denier' in an argument automatically loses."


inspired by a corollary to Godwin's Law (paraphrased); 'the first person to use the 'h' word in an argument automatically loses."

edit: add "flat-earth meetings" to the list

Aww! You're gonna take all the fun outta this. 🫨😟

[fdpaq0580]

Galileo spent many of his last years in house arrest because of his theory about the earth not being the center of the universe.

as judged by the "Intelligencia" of the day; 'the scientific community.'


Soon after publishing; 100 scientists concurred that A. Einstein's Theory of Relativity was wrong.
Einstein's reply to his inner circle - paraphrased; 'Why 100? It only takes one to prove me wrong.'
(btw: Einstein never got a Nobel Prize for any of his work.)

And what was with the weird hair. What a doofus, huh.

[fdpaq0580]

I guess that means there are a record number people who believe in green witches and munchkins?

I do. 😀

[fdpaq0580]

106702

Counterfeit.

[gorillarick]

Counterfeit.
Maybe counterfeit, but “Many a true word hath been spoken in jest.”
WS quote.

[fdpaq0580]

Maybe counterfeit, but “Many a true word hath been spoken in jest.”
WS quote.

Touché.