Cancelled Tee Times

[Bay Kid]

At this time of year it becomes difficult to secure tee times for 2. What I have noticed during the week is that so many tee times are taken by large groups and often there are several players that don't show up with their group, leaving unused tee times.

Please call the starters shack as early as possible to let them know you will not be able to play. At least this will give other call in players a chance to enjoy a round of golf. Rain or shine!

[rsimpson]

Please call the starters shack as early as possible to let them know you will not be able to play. At least this will give other call in players a chance to enjoy a round of golf. Rain or shine![/QUOTE]

On a related note, we had four 'players' drive through our foursome last Sunday AM on an executive course in the South. We were on the 6th hole meaning they had played No More Than FOUR holes. As they drove passed they said: "We need to get to Church." I am appalled that these four people would take a Prime Time Sunday AM tee time from real golfers and play only FOUR Holes! Unbelievable!

[golfing eagles]

At this time of year it becomes difficult to secure tee times for 2. What I have noticed during the week is that so many tee times are taken by large groups and often there are several players that don't show up with their group, leaving unused tee times.

Please call the starters shack as early as possible to let them know you will not be able to play. At least this will give other call in players a chance to enjoy a round of golf. Rain or shine!

Actually, it's worse than that. Over the years I've overheard groups talking about how they put in players that they know are not going to play so they won't have to play with "strangers". The tee time office tries to monitor for this, but they would have had to commit an egregious offense to get caught

[rsimpson]

Actually, it's worse than that. Over the years I've overheard groups talking about how they put in players that they know are not going to play so they won't have to play with "strangers". The tee time office tries to monitor for this, but they would have had to commit an egregious offense to get caught

Doesn't the No Show get 2 points for no show?

[golfing eagles]

Doesn't the No Show get 2 points for no show?

Sure. But I understand they use people on vacation or who usually just play execs for champ tee times and vice versa. I have heard about people getting caught, but I don't think it happens often

[tophcfa]

Actually, it's worse than that. Over the years I've overheard groups talking about how they put in players that they know are not going to play so they won't have to play with "strangers". The tee time office tries to monitor for this, but they would have had to commit an egregious offense to get caught

When playing as a single, I have learned the hard way to avoid joining threesomes that are part of a group. It’s not unusual to see a few threesomes stacked up for the first tee times of the afternoon wave, which is the tell tale sign of a group. They hope no one will join them, which holds an open space for group members that might show up unscheduled, and sometimes are not very welcoming to golfers outside their group joining them. When playing as a single, it is very unusual to not enjoy the company of fellow golfers, with that one exception.

[MrFlorida]

No show gets 3 points, a cancellation gets 2 points

[BrianL99]

Sure. But I understand they use people on vacation or who usually just play execs for champ tee times and vice versa. I have heard about people getting caught, but I don't think it happens often

That used to go on at our club, until we solved it. You get to do it twice. The 3rd time, you get charged a Guest Fee for the players who didn't show up. $175/person is a steep price to pay, for the convenience of not playing with a "stranger".

[tophcfa]

No show gets 3 points, a cancellation gets 2 points

Enhanced membership creates a moral hazard. The members can flaunt the system and indiscriminately accumulate points and their requests will still trump resident members who follow the rules. What’s even worse is that their guests get priority over resident members.

[golfing eagles]

Enhanced membership creates a moral hazard. The members can flaunt the system and indiscriminately accumulate points and their requests will still trump resident members who follow the rules. What’s even worse is that their guests get priority over resident members.

And the person who pays for a Bentley gets a better car than a Chevy----what's the point????

[tophcfa]

And the person who pays for a Bentley gets a better car than a Chevy----what's the point????

The persons driving both the Bentley and the Chevy gets the same penalty for running a stop sign. The points accumulated by an enhanced member (and their guests) are less penal than for the resident member.

[golfing eagles]

The persons driving both the Bentley and the Chevy gets the same penalty for running a stop sign. The points accumulated by an enhanced member (and their guests) are less penal than for the resident member.

The person running the stop sign pays more than one who stops for it

I'm not advocating that priority members should go ahead and cheat/rig the system. In fact, I doubt they are the problem since points don't really matter to them. But if someone wants a discount on greens fees and a better chance of getting the tee time they want, they have to pay for it. And those that don't want to pay for it have no right to complain. After all, everyone is not equal in this system, like they are in N. Korea :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[golfing eagles]

Talk about stating the obvious and misdirecting the point! But if getting in the last word floats your boat, go for it.

Somebody has to :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[shut the front door]

I'll admit to using a non-golfers ID# to create a foursome that turns into a threesome when they don't show up. I do not like to play with strangers because every time that I have, I get paired with that idiot who thinks he's on the tour when he's taking 5 or more warmups before EACH swing.

[4$ALE]

I'll admit to using a non-golfers ID# to create a foursome that turns into a threesome when they don't show up. I do not like to play with strangers because every time that I have, I get paired with that idiot who thinks he's on the tour when he's taking 5 or more warmups before EACH swing.

:shocked: Doesn't sound like he's the idiot to me????

[BrianL99]

I'll admit to using a non-golfers ID# to create a foursome that turns into a threesome when they don't show up. I do not like to play with strangers because every time that I have, I get paired with that idiot who thinks he's on the tour when he's taking 5 or more warmups before EACH swing.

It's always nice to see a truthful post and see someone admit they're part of the problem.

I hope David Williams is reading this ...
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[JMintzer]

I'll admit to using a non-golfers ID# to create a foursome that turns into a threesome when they don't show up. I do not like to play with strangers because every time that I have, I get paired with that idiot who thinks he's on the tour when he's taking 5 or more warmups before EACH swing.

I've played with regular threesomes multiple time and I've never had an issue...

In fact, I've met some great people and now have some new golfing partners...

One time, I played with 3 relative beginner women. We had a blast! They were hysterical... They could trash talk with the best of them!

[Mrmean58]

At this time of year it becomes difficult to secure tee times for 2. What I have noticed during the week is that so many tee times are taken by large groups and often there are several players that don't show up with their group, leaving unused tee times.

Please call the starters shack as early as possible to let them know you will not be able to play. At least this will give other call in players a chance to enjoy a round of golf. Rain or shine!

As much as that is the right thing to do, large groups won't do that in general as they don't want "outsiders" (outside of their group) to join in. A bigger problem is two players adding two guests or spouses into their reservation only to have the guests be "unable to make it". In those cases, the guests are non existent or the spouses simply don't play golf. Lots of games being played so that couples can play a round of Golf by themselves.

[Janie123]

Doesn't the No Show get 2 points for no show?
No shows are 3 pts but if you play once a week, they probably don’t care. Besides a large group is given a reservation by the average of the total points, If the group of 24 has 23 with 1 point and one with 3, they average 1.0x (it’s too early to do the math)

[barbnick]

Sure. But I understand they use people on vacation or who usually just play execs for champ tee times and vice versa. I have heard about people getting caught, but I don't think it happens often
Happens all the time. They will also reserve for Guest and say the guest could not make it. No points charged.

[barbnick]

Happens all the time

[Miboater]

I caught someone using my ID number for tee times when I was up north. I happened to check the website and saw that I had a tee time for an executive course and it wasn't with anyone that I knew. They were using it once or twice a week for a month. I called the golf office and reported it and it never happened again.

[golfing eagles]

Happens all the time. They will also reserve for Guest and say the guest could not make it. No points charged.

I believe the residents gets charged the points for a guest that doesn't show.

[NoMo50]

Happens all the time. They will also reserve for Guest and say the guest could not make it. No points charged.

Not true. Points are assessed to the resident the guest is attached to on the reservation.

[NoMo50]

Actually, it's worse than that. Over the years I've overheard groups talking about how they put in players that they know are not going to play so they won't have to play with "strangers". The tee time office tries to monitor for this, but they would have had to commit an egregious offense to get caught

Most folks who are regular users of the tee time system know of one or more people who make use of "ghost" golfers on their requests. I agree that it may be difficult to catch if done sporadically. Still, the tee time office views this practice as abuse of the system, and offenders can be punished. I know a resident who was regularly using the ID# of a non-golfer as a ghost. After repeated instances, the tee time office busted him. His golfing privileges were suspended for 30 days.

[Shadowrider]

The persons driving both the Bentley and the Chevy gets the same penalty for running a stop sign. The points accumulated by an enhanced member (and their guests) are less penal than for the resident member.
That depends on how attractive the person is. Membership has always had privileges in this world. It's no different here in TV.

[biker1]

Nope.

Not true. Points are assessed to the resident the guest is attached to on the reservation.

[4$ALE]

It's always nice to see a truthful post and see someone admit they're part of the problem.

I hope David Williams is reading this ...
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:rolleyes: And I hope he read your reply before you changed it! :ohdear:

[Bay Kid]

Maybe someone read this chat and cancelled! I couldn't find a tee time for 2, at a reasonable time, on Friday. Then I checked later in the day and there was an open time midday at Bacall.

Thank you to whoever cancelled. Earlier the better!

[BrianL99]

:rolleyes: And I hope he read your reply before you changed it! :ohdear:

Me too.

[MsPCGenius]

I have no knowledge of the tee time software. Is it possible (or even practical) for me to check to see if someone is using my ID to secure a tee time? :shocked:

[Marathon Man]

I have no knowledge of the tee time software. Is it possible (or even practical) for me to check to see if someone is using my ID to secure a tee time? :shocked:

Yes. You will see the reservation that 'you' have.

[TomSpasm]

I have no knowledge of the tee time software. Is it possible (or even practical) for me to check to see if someone is using my ID to secure a tee time? :shocked:

If you go to "thevillages.net" and log in to golf, you can review your play history, which would tell you whether someone is doing that or not.

[Snakster66]

When playing as a single, I have learned the hard way to avoid joining threesomes that are part of a group. It’s not unusual to see a few threesomes stacked up for the first tee times of the afternoon wave, which is the tell tale sign of a group. They hope no one will join them, which holds an open space for group members that might show up unscheduled, and sometimes are not very welcoming to golfers outside their group joining them. When playing as a single, it is very unusual to not enjoy the company of fellow golfers, with that one exception.

This kinda makes me want to jump in on one of these groups more. Either I will win them over with my humor and charm, or I will be entertained by their irrational irritation.

[SHIBUMI]

about the word enhanced..............

Enhanced membership creates a moral hazard. The members can flaunt the system and indiscriminately accumulate points and their requests will still trump resident members who follow the rules. What’s even worse is that their guests get priority over resident members.

[will1546]

Doesn't the No Show get 2 points for no show?
They get 3 points for not showing on the day of play.

[yankygrl]

Doesn't the No Show get 2 points for no show?

3 points for no show or cancelling day of reservation, 2 points for cancelling prior.

[jjombrello]

That's against the rules but then rules are for those who abide by them, so it seems. But what an attitude!! I've been here 26 years and I have met some wonderful people who joined our group as a single. Some have become close friends and some have joined our group, as a result. I can count on one hand the number of duds, but even those were tolerable for a couple of hours. If one is not welcoming, they get the ice treatment in return, so try lightening up and accept the player as they are. If it pains you, it's only for a short time.

[rpgio]

Weak & not helpful.

[Bay Kid]

That's against the rules but then rules are for those who abide by them, so it seems. But what an attitude!! I've been here 26 years and I have met some wonderful people who joined our group as a single. Some have become close friends and some have joined our group, as a result. I can count on one hand the number of duds, but even those were tolerable for a couple of hours. If one is not welcoming, they get the ice treatment in return, so try lightening up and accept the player as they are. If it pains you, it's only for a short time.

When I am a single golfer I find myself in the middle of these groups. 99% of the time it is always a pleasure. Many, many nice people. Great way to meet people.

[BrianL99]

When I am a single golfer I find myself in the middle of these groups. 99% of the time it is always a pleasure. Many, many nice people. Great way to meet people.

I find the individuals are in most cases, good guys.

The "Group" as a group, are a bunch AH's, who think the world owes them and the Starters are their lackeys.

In what world, can you book a group of 20 guys at a golf course, in prime time ... & then allow them to switch players, groups & times?

[golfing eagles]

I find the individuals are in most cases, good guys.

The "Group" as a group, are a bunch AH's, who think the world owes them and the Starters are their lackeys.

In what world, can you book a group of 20 guys at a golf course, in prime time ... & then allow them to switch players, groups & times?

Yep. Some years ago, as a single, I ended up as a 4th in what otherwise was 3 linked groups of 3. One of the players dropped out so they just went ahead and made their own 2 groups of 4, which would have left me as a single sandwiched between two foursomes. Not even a "may we"????? And the starter told them they can't do that, but they got their way anyway. I was tempted to play alone between them and take about 6 hours to do it, but I just filled in at another 9.

[HORNET]

The tee time system that The Villages have come up with is fair, if someone has low points they versus high points that person is treated fairly!

[FloridaGuy66]

I think playing as a single isn't as bad as most people think. I think at least 98% of the time I've had a good experience and the other 2% is just where you tolerate the other 3 people but you still can enjoy playing your round.

[tophcfa]

The tee time system that The Villages have come up with is fair, if someone has low points they versus high points that person is treated fairly!
Agree if you are referring to the Executives.

[golfing eagles]

Agree if you are referring to the Executives.

If he’s referring to ALL courses

[tophcfa]

If he’s referring to ALL courses

Already covered.

[Triker]

My first experience ever playing golf was here is the villages. I was a little slow.
The people behind us were Absolutely horrible and that was just on the pitch n putt. I can’t even imagine an executive course.

I played my first and last game of golf all in the same day on a pitch n putt.

[Papa_lecki]

If you go to "thevillages.net" and log in to golf, you can review your play history, which would tell you whether someone is doing that or not.

You cna also go to a championship course. The pros can look it up. Especially if you say you don’t use the tee time system.

[Bay Kid]

Yep. Some years ago, as a single, I ended up as a 4th in what otherwise was 3 linked groups of 3. One of the players dropped out so they just went ahead and made their own 2 groups of 4, which would have left me as a single sandwiched between two foursomes. Not even a "may we"????? And the starter told them they can't do that, but they got their way anyway. I was tempted to play alone between them and take about 6 hours to do it, but I just filled in at another 9.

That did happen to me once. The starter was so apologetic. The group did it on their own.

Again almost all golfers are a pleasure to golf with, at least by the 9th hole.

[bergercat]

When playing as a single, I have learned the hard way to avoid joining threesomes that are part of a group. It’s not unusual to see a few threesomes stacked up for the first tee times of the afternoon wave, which is the tell tale sign of a group. They hope no one will join them, which holds an open space for group members that might show up unscheduled, and sometimes are not very welcoming to golfers outside their group joining them. When playing as a single, it is very unusual to not enjoy the company of fellow golfers, with that one exception.

I couldn't agree more! It is hard to "fill in" with a group or threesome and some are not welcoming. Unfortunately I have been on the other side on numerous occasions where an "add on" golfer joins our group and acts like he/she wants to take over. I don't know if they just want to fit in, but good advice would be if you are a "fill in", take it slow and see how the group dynamics work before you offer anything. It would serve you well.

[BrianL99]

I couldn't agree more! It is hard to "fill in" with a group or threesome and some are not welcoming. Unfortunately I have been on the other side on numerous occasions where an "add on" golfer joins our group and acts like he/she wants to take over. I don't know if they just want to fit in, but good advice would be if you are a "fill in", take it slow and see how the group dynamics work before you offer anything. It would serve you well.

I avoid groups, because I think the majority of the "groups" don't understand that it's THEM who are out of step.

Golf in The Villages is public golf. "Groups" have to function within those parameters ... they're not entitle to any "special treatment" by golf course staff. They shouldn't be switching around players into different groups, switching foursome Tee Times, nor making things uncomfortable or difficult, for those who legitimately booked a Tee Time. If a Group ends up with Threesomes, it's THEIR problem, not anyone else's.

I typically book as a single and if a group tries to move me around, it's definitely a no-go. I'm playing at the time I booked and if you switch players around, so I'm playing in 2-some or 1-some, behind a group, I'm making a stink about it.

The rules are the same for everyone, single, doubles & groups. You play at the time you reserved and play in the group you reserved with. & the group doesn't like it, tough luck ... they should do a better job managing their group.

[tophcfa]

They get 3 points for not showing on the day of play.
People use their wives and other acquaintances who don’t golf as t time fillers. They could care less if they get 1,000 points for a no show since they never golf. It’s an abuse of the system and crowds out fellow residents from getting tee times. It’s totally selfish and deserves a severe punishment of being completely shut out from golfing privileges for an extended period of time.

[BrianL99]

People use their wives and other acquaintances who don’t golf as t time fillers. They could care less if they get 1,000 points for a no show since they never golf. It’s an abuse of the system and crowds out fellow residents from getting tee times. It’s totally selfish and deserves a severe punishment of being completely shut out from golfing privileges for an extended period of time.

So I had that happen to me a couple of weeks ago and posted about it. Someone used my name & number as a "filler" or "blocker" on a Tee Time.

I called the Tee Time Office and they seemed to take it seriously. I'm not sure what the ultimate result was, but I'm sure it's not going to happen again to me.

You're 100% right. Any abuse of the Tee Time system, should result in serious consequences. I don't play Executive Courses, but I'm sure they're even worse than the Championship courses when it comes to abuse of the system.

It's like slow play on the PGA Tour. Nothing will change, until penalties that hurt are meted out. Penalize them strokes on the PGA Tour & suspend the Tee Time cheaters.

[Snakster66]

I avoid groups, because I think the majority of the "groups" don't understand that it's THEM who are out of step.

Golf in The Villages is public golf. "Groups" have to function within those parameters ... they're not entitle to any "special treatment" by golf course staff. They shouldn't be switching around players into different groups, switching foursome Tee Times, nor making things uncomfortable or difficult, for those who legitimately booked a Tee Time. If a Group ends up with Threesomes, it's THEIR problem, not anyone else's.

I typically book as a single and if a group tries to move me around, it's definitely a no-go. I'm playing at the time I booked and if you switch players around, so I'm playing in 2-some or 1-some, behind a group, I'm making a stink about it.

The rules are the same for everyone, single, doubles & groups. You play at the time you reserved and play in the group you reserved with. & the group doesn't like it, tough luck ... they should do a better job managing their group.

As someone who also books exclusively as a single (so far), I couldn’t have written this any better. Once a I got a “those guys said it’s ok if you play with them”. My response was, no kidding, it’s MY tee time. So far I’ve never had a problem playing with a random threesome, or if I happened to fall in to a group of threesomes. But I can be very personable if I have to (no….really).

But to me it’s simple, if there is an open spot that works for me, I’m taking it. If someone irrationally doesn’t like that, it’s their problem, not mine.

[Bay Kid]

I pick my course and time as a single. I also play whatever tee they are playing from. I usually walk so it gives me a break between shots. By the 9th hole I usually have made some new friends.