Sooo drone enthusiast's

[Robbb]

Are these sightings in New Jersey just hobbyist's playing around, or is this the beginning of the alien invasion?

[asianthree]

Neither

[ThirdOfFive]

Are these sightings in New Jersey just hobbyist's playing around, or is this the beginning of the alien invasion?
Read an article yesterday (can't recall the source) to the effect that one of these drones crashed into a back yard. Turned out that it was a pretty common hobbyist's drone.

But--like everything else these days--media plays up such stories to the hilt. Four or five hobbyist drones buzzing around after sundown after maybe a week or so ends up being a prelude to a full-scale invasion of the Lizard Folk from the Epsilon Eridani system.

[blueash]

Sooo drone enthusiast's
Are these sightings in New Jersey just hobbyist's playing around, or is this the beginning of the alien invasion?

Some people see drones flying where they don't belong, and others see apostrophes flying where they are not expected. Both kinds of people are making too much of a big nothing burger.

[Fastskiguy]

Are these sightings in New Jersey just hobbyist's playing around, or is this the beginning of the alien invasion?

Definitely aliens! Abductions and probings are sure to follow.

Joe

[JohnN]

It's China

[Stu from NYC]

Definitely aliens! Abductions and probings are sure to follow.

Joe

Aliens for sure, my wife is acting strange this morning so she might be under their control

[rustyp]

Aliens - their advanced civilization is obviously smart enough to enable interplanetary travel while disguising their craft as a drone of our earthly design.

[jrref]

What I don't understand is Remote ID is now a requirement and if these drones are broadcasting it should be easy to find the controller flying them. If they are not broadcasting Remote ID then they are violating the law and should be investigated. I saw an article that they were violating restricted airspace in NJ so at this point you can't say they are not a concern.

[ElDiabloJoe]

It's China

^ This. Or Iran, supported by Chine-nah.

[ScottGo]

Why not just shoot them down?

[Normal]

Tonight around dusk take a look for yourselves right here in the Villages. There are drones up every night in almost the same positions. New Jersey isn’t unique.

For those alien extremists, ask yourself why are they lit up every night if they were trying to hide? The drones are property of the US government.

[Two Bills]

Aliens for sure, my wife is acting strange this morning so she might be under their control

With my dear wife, "strange" I can handle, it is reasonable and logical that always puts me on my guard!

[Altavia]

Tonight around dusk take a look for yourselves right here in the Villages. There are drones up every night in almost the same positions. New Jersey isn’t unique.

For those alien extremists, ask yourself why are they lit up every night if they were trying to hide? The drones are property of the US government.

Also, The FAA recently opened military airspace across the East Coast and Gulf of Mexico to ease pressure on commercial airline routes.

Maybe part of this is commercial aircraft operating in areas not previously seen.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

According to the totally unbiased Breitbart, substantiated in an interview on OANN, here's the truth:

It's the Jewish space aliens from the Interplanetary Galactic Laser Corps. They became refugees and are hosted by China and Mexico, allied with the Haitians For Dalmatians Cooperative Gourmet Club in Ohio.

They were flying over New Jersey because they were informed about an offer they shouldn't refuse, and they're checking to find out who "the guy" is, who was referred to in the dossier.

[Robbb]

Read an article yesterday (can't recall the source) to the effect that one of these drones crashed into a back yard. Turned out that it was a pretty common hobbyist's drone.

But--like everything else these days--media plays up such stories to the hilt. Four or five hobbyist drones buzzing around after sundown after maybe a week or so ends up being a prelude to a full-scale invasion of the Lizard Folk from the Epsilon Eridani system.

Damn, the Lizard Folk's are the ones who abducted me last year....mean little bastards.

[Veracity]

Aliens for sure, my wife is acting strange this morning so she might be under their control

Funny....That's what she said about you!

[BillHitz]

It’s Santa. He’s using technology now to see who’s naughty or nice.

[Black Beauty]

If they are planes flying at night they are IFR and need to file a flight plan..

[Cuervo]

I read a piece where the Govenor of New York claims that there was a slow down at one of the airports in her state because of drones. Right now, everyone is joking about it, but if one of these drones ends up responsible for taking down a plane and people die the joking will stop.

It's going to get to the point where owners of these types of drones are going to have to be licensed, drones will have to have vin numbers and if they are flown in a restricted area the owners will be fined to the max.

[TheWarriors]

According to the totally unbiased Breitbart, substantiated in an interview on OANN, here's the truth:

It's the Jewish space aliens from the Interplanetary Galactic Laser Corps. They became refugees and are hosted by China and Mexico, allied with the Haitians For Dalmatians Cooperative Gourmet Club in Ohio.

They were flying over New Jersey because they were informed about an offer they shouldn't refuse, and they're checking to find out who "the guy" is, who was referred to in the dossier.

According to the Jewish Liberal Independent newspaper, it was Larry David in search of relevant material in touch with the majority of Americans.

[nn0wheremann]

Are these sightings in New Jersey just hobbyist's playing around, or is this the beginning of the alien invasion?
Red Lectroids escaped from the eighth dimension! Call Buckaroo Banzai, quick! (If you like livin on your planet, mon)

[nn0wheremann]

If they are planes flying at night they are IFR and need to file a flight plan..
Night VFR is legal

[BlackHarley]

Damn, the Lizard Folk's are the ones who abducted me last year....mean little bastards.
But....did they try to sell you insurance?

[Kamaaina]

Just shoot'um down and sort'um out on the ground.

[RoboVil]

Are these sightings in New Jersey just hobbyist's playing around, or is this the beginning of the alien invasion?
Aliens playing with their Christmas toys early?

[BrianL99]

If they are planes flying at night they are IFR and need to file a flight plan..

Night VFR is legal

As is flying without a filing a Flight Plan.


Why do people without a clue, have the need to throw their 2¢ in?

[Ptmcbriz]

The FAA had to shut down an airport in NY last night for a hour due to commercial drones (size of an SUV). These are the drones they are talking about, not small hobbyists drones. They shoot these down and it crashes into your home it will wipe it out. NY governor says “Enough is enough!” and now pressuring Congress to pass a safety bill so local law enforcement can take action (presently illegal to shoot down a drone) that could cause harm since these commercial drones are so large. They are calling them drones to not scare the public, but from what I’ve seen in many videos these things are not “drones”, but technically UAP’s (formerly known as UFO’s). Many are reported as large metal balls glowing red moving at odd speeds and direction. A Medivac crew in Oregon on Dec 8 was repeatedly “monitored “ by one and it at times flew at supersonic speeds. The dialog between the Medivac pilot and tower is posted on YouTube. Several commercial pilots saw it. I think the government is being truthful in that they don’t know what they are and they send out DOD drones (and at times helicopters) to try and track them. So citizens are seeing our DOD drones along with the UFO’s.

[Mrfriendly]

Are these sightings in New Jersey just hobbyist's playing around, or is this the beginning of the alien invasion?

Here in NJ the uncertainty is running way too high of what these things are or where they are coming from. There are many many planes in the air due to our state’s location near airports but I have several personal friends who witnessed giant Cessna sized drones, just hovering, thinking they are foreign entities gathering information on our infrastructure or it’s our government testing new technology. My hope it’s the ladder. I’ve yet to see one myself but I don’t go hunting for them.

[airstreamingypsy]

This thread wins the award for the most entertaining thread this year..... thanks for the laughs.

[JRcorvette]

Are these sightings in New Jersey just hobbyist's playing around, or is this the beginning of the alien invasion?

Here is your answer!

[Robbb]

But....did they try to sell you insurance?

Nooo, but they did lower my credit card interest rate.

[courtyard]

Could it be the DOD messing with us before they are kicked out in January?

[Goldwingnut]

What I don't understand is Remote ID is now a requirement and if these drones are broadcasting it should be easy to find the controller flying them. If they are not broadcasting Remote ID then they are violating the law and should be investigated. I saw an article that they were violating restricted airspace in NJ so at this point you can't say they are not a concern.

This has been a funny thread!

Remote ID is required but there are at least 3 problems:

1) there's no way to enforce it - no requirement to and no manpower or money to

2) most newer aircraft now have it built in but older drones require an add on module that can cost between $30 and $200 or more, and availability of these has been cyclic and scares. Over half my drones don't have it and require a module to legally fly and I can't use just one and share it, the FAA requires each to have their own serialized module.

3) most drone pilots don't like the system because it can make their location information known to the public making them vulnerable to confrontations, attack, and thefts. Few have issues with law enforcement or the FAA having this information, but the general public is a real show stopper for most and have resulting in many ignoring the requirement for their own safety.

And of course, the biggie on the whole remote ID issue – it basically doesn’t work and when it does it works poorly. It was a nice idea but was rushed and poorly implemented. It was rushed and is generally a total waste of time and money.

[sowilts]

Are these sightings in New Jersey just hobbyist's playing around, or is this the beginning of the alien invasion?
While picking my Granddaughter, 9, while we’re at our home at Annapolis. 9 year old boy across the street was flying a Drone. Asked him where it was.? He said im looking at people at the Annapolis Mall about a half mile away. My Granddad is a pilot. I said do you understand it is against FAA rules to fly close to people and buildings? Never heard of that, I'm not taking pictures.

[Joe C.]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was the police flying them and tracking a suspect. Shooting one down in a populated area is illegal and irresponsible. Shooting one down in a rural area is a different situation.
The videos that I've seen online are ridiculous ..... one had a video of Jupiter or Venus in the evening sky and thought it was a drone.

[tophcfa]

This has been a funny thread!

Remote ID is required but there are at least 3 problems:

1) there's no way to enforce it - no requirement to and no manpower or money to

2) most newer aircraft now have it built in but older drones require an add on module that can cost between $30 and $200 or more, and availability of these has been cyclic and scares. Over half my drones don't have it and require a module to legally fly and I can't use just one and share it, the FAA requires each to have their own serialized module.

3) most drone pilots don't like the system because it can make their location information known to the public making them vulnerable to confrontations, attack, and thefts. Few have issues with law enforcement or the FAA having this information, but the general public is a real show stopper for most and have resulting in many ignoring the requirement for their own safety.

And of course, the biggie on the whole remote ID issue – it basically doesn’t work and when it does it works poorly. It was a nice idea but was rushed and poorly implemented. It was rushed and is generally a total waste of time and money.

Don, since you’re a very knowledgeable and experienced drone pilot, I’m curious what the thoughts are with you and your fellow pilots regarding the trade offs between necessary regulations and not being overly restrictive to pilots. Drones have evolved rapidly and necessary regulations haven’t appeared to be put into place addressing their ever growing presence and potential applications. I think a lot of the general population is uncomfortable having their privacy potentially invaded by the presence of high definition cameras flying over their property and images being posted on social media. Additionally, with all the wack jobs out there, drones can be used to carry very dangerous payloads. Drones obviously also have several beneficial applications and are generally used responsibly, which shouldn’t be limited. Just curious how the experienced and educated drone pilot community views this?

[loumazzio1]

Are these sightings in New Jersey just hobbyist's playing around, or is this the beginning of the alien invasion?

Travel some 10,000 light years and use drones to spy on us seems like it's those darn North Koreans or the those pesky Chinese Aliens !!!!!

[Nana2Teddy]

According to the totally unbiased Breitbart, substantiated in an interview on OANN, here's the truth:

It's the Jewish space aliens from the Interplanetary Galactic Laser Corps. They became refugees and are hosted by China and Mexico, allied with the Haitians For Dalmatians Cooperative Gourmet Club in Ohio.

They were flying over New Jersey because they were informed about an offer they shouldn't refuse, and they're checking to find out who "the guy" is, who was referred to in the dossier.
I’m assuming you’re referring to the Haitians from Haitia, not the Haitians from Haiti? 😬

[Normal]

Rumor, China DJI project!

Lol, ya. That’s why they are lit up and marked while they are in the sky.

[Blueblaze]

This has been a funny thread!

Remote ID is required but there are at least 3 problems:

1) there's no way to enforce it - no requirement to and no manpower or money to

2) most newer aircraft now have it built in but older drones require an add on module that can cost between $30 and $200 or more, and availability of these has been cyclic and scares. Over half my drones don't have it and require a module to legally fly and I can't use just one and share it, the FAA requires each to have their own serialized module.

3) most drone pilots don't like the system because it can make their location information known to the public making them vulnerable to confrontations, attack, and thefts. Few have issues with law enforcement or the FAA having this information, but the general public is a real show stopper for most and have resulting in many ignoring the requirement for their own safety.

And of course, the biggie on the whole remote ID issue – it basically doesn’t work and when it does it works poorly. It was a nice idea but was rushed and poorly implemented. It was rushed and is generally a total waste of time and money.

Every cop in America is authorized by the FAA to enforce the FAA rules concerning illegal operation of drones, so the "personnel" issue is silly. It's the entire reason "RemoteID" uses bluetooth to transmit the owner's FAA registration number.

However, since hobbyist drones aren't capable of operating at the altitudes in question, and don't use navigation lights, the only reason Remote ID is relevant is that it indicates how ridiculously simple it is to separate the legal aircraft from the illegal drones -- regardless of what Mayorkas claimed. The fact is, anyone can download an FAA-supported app intended for private pilots, that displays all the legal aircraft in the area, along with any drones, on a map. Any lights you see in the sky that are not on that map represent illegally operating aircraft.

The only question that remains is why our government refuses to do anything about them. The government lies about their inability to enforce their own airspace laws are so absurd that it almost represents proof that they're in on it somehow. And that's the scariest part of this entire episode.

[mraines]

Are these sightings in New Jersey just hobbyist's playing around, or is this the beginning of the alien invasion?
I have spoken to friends and family in Jersey and none of them have seen any.

[mraines]

Why not just shoot them down?

Because it is illegal to do so.

[KeithDB]

Are these sightings in New Jersey just hobbyist's playing around, or is this the beginning of the alien invasion?

The current drone craze is mostly mass hysteria. The power of suggestion is combining with confirmation bias prompting people to attribute normal events to something unusual and weird. They are seeing normal manned aircraft, and even planets and stars, and convincing themselves they are mysterious drones. Then they get upset that the government isn't tracking the phantoms of their mind down.

The former Governor of Maryland did this, posting video of the Constellation Orion, insisting they were drones. Another indication this is rooted in the power of suggestion is how drone sighting are suddenly popping up everywhere as publicity about the notion spreads. This also explains why there are no clear pictures of any mystery drones.

[Stryker]

Are these sightings in New Jersey just hobbyist's playing around, or is this the beginning of the alien invasion?

Virtually every video I have seen on the TV news was a commercial or private jet in a landing configuration. Some of the videos were of too poor a quality to be identified. I’m sure some police, TV news, and hobbyists have joined in as well. Still, why does t the government just tell us what they are? If they can’t do that then congress must re-think their appropriations. The government can’t identify these flying craft? Really? I don’t think so. Not on radar? No ADS-b? If they can’t identify them, then they can’t assert that they are not a threat or a hazard to navigation. Hobbyist drones are nothing to be concerned about at all, but they are easily identified and if anything over regulated. We certainly can’t remove the government from the list of suspects. Surveillance by hobbyist drones is completely ridiculous, if you know anything about them at all. Plus, surveillance that is extremely visible and noisy as well? Really?

[djlnc]

I predict that in 2025 there will be jihadists taking advantage of these readily available weapons delivery systems to attack infrastructure, stadiums, etc. We are a target rich country and pretty much defenseless against this sort of attack.

[Number 10 GI]

After listening to the radio station where they were talking about these drone sightings and the possibility of aliens piloting them, I had this thought. Why would an advanced technology extraterrestrial society travel millions of miles to go to New Jersey???????? New Jersey????????? New Jersey????????????????

[Altavia]

It's Santa scoping out all the good boys and girls.

[Bwanajim]

So it’s been over three weeks now and our government doesn’t know anything about them or where they’re from and they keep making excuses! There’s too many for it to just be hobbyists. So either our government is not telling us it’s military or it’s China or a foreign country. But they treat us like idiots when they say they don’t know anything about them or what they are or where they’re from

[Normal]

So it’s been over three weeks now and our government doesn’t know anything about them or where they’re from and they keep making excuses! There’s too many for it to just be hobbyists. So either our government is not telling us it’s military or it’s China or a foreign country. But they treat us like idiots when they say they don’t know anything about them or what they are or where they’re from

It’s the government not sharing. If it were some nefarious group or country, do you think they would have blinking lights flashing on them?

[Laker14]

Why not just shoot them down?

it's probably not a great idea to shoot something out of the sky without an absolute understanding of what it is you are shooting down.

Also, since the equipment you are using to shoot it down is heavy, armed, and dangerous, where it lands might be an important consideration.

Other than those two issues, I see no problem in lobbing explosive airborne ordnance in airspace above densely populated areas. It should work out great.

[JRcorvette]

Are these sightings in New Jersey just hobbyist's playing around, or is this the beginning of the alien invasion?

Actually Santa is doing some early testing in NJ

[LeRoySmith]

With my dear wife, "strange" I can handle, it is reasonable and logical that always puts me on my guard!

My wife just read your post over my shoulder so now Im in trouble, thanks Bill :rant-rave:

[ElDiabloJoe]

After listening to the radio station where they were talking about these drone sightings and the possibility of aliens piloting them, I had this thought. Why would an advanced technology extraterrestrial society travel millions of miles to go to New Jersey???????? New Jersey????????? New Jersey????????????????

HaHaha!! I love this! I worked for a few years with a woman who was born/raised in Lithuania. She could also speak Russian. When she moved to the U.S. with her family when she was in her teens, guess where they lived? Yup. New Jersey.

I cannot even describe to you what her accent sounded like when she spoke English - but it was largely undecipherable without spending considerable time around her to get used to it. Kinda try to picture Arnold Schwartzenegger with a Joisey accent.

[ElDiabloJoe]

I predict that in 2025 there will be jihadists taking advantage of these readily available weapons delivery systems to attack infrastructure, stadiums, etc. We are a target rich country and pretty much defenseless against this sort of attack.
^Concur. This is a significant concern.

I seem to recall an incident (maybe in NJ or NY) a few decades ago when they caught foreign nationals attempting to fire on a U.S. civilian airliner. Can't find anything on the internet search-machine thingy about it though.

Further internet searching is indicating it may have initially been considered a cause for Flight 800 in 1996, but was apparently later to determined to be an electrical short in the central fuel tank.

[Normal]

^Concur. This is a significant concern.

I seem to recall an incident (maybe in NJ or NY) a few decades ago when they caught foreign nationals attempting to fire on a U.S. civilian airliner. Can't find anything on the internet search-machine thingy about it though.

Further internet searching is indicating it may have initially been considered a cause for Flight 800 in 1996, but was apparently later to determined to be an electrical short in the central fuel tank.

I understand your concern, but rest assured the country is easily capable of defending itself from drones. Granted, no drones would be able to fly, but they all could be shut down. Just like the old ECMs, GPS and ISMs can be disrupted without much effort. There are also, manual cable dragging techniques that remove the buggers from the sky.

[djlnc]

So a drone with an explosive payload is launched a mile away from a packed football stadium. In a couple minutes it will arrive at its target. What's your defense?

[Laker14]

So a drone with an explosive payload is launched a mile away from a packed football stadium. In a couple minutes it will arrive at its target. What's your defense?

put on my helmet.

[ElDiabloJoe]

So a drone with an explosive payload is launched a mile away from a packed football stadium. In a couple minutes it will arrive at its target. What's your defense?

Valid concern. No defense possible. Nothing can stop that drone. Operator will be at the airport and on a plane to home country X before they're done evacuating victims to medical facilities.

Aside from the phenomenal expense of the tickets, this is sufficient reason to not attend SuperBowls. This thing could sneak in totally unobserved in the dark and distracting lights of the halftime show.

[Two Bills]

Best stay at home, reinforce the shelter, and stock up on supplies and ammunition.
Tin foil and toilet rolls, a priority! :shrug:

[Goldwingnut]

So a drone with an explosive payload is launched a mile away from a packed football stadium. In a couple minutes it will arrive at its target. What's your defense?

With current consumer grade drones this scenario is more like 10 miles with a 1 lb explosive payload with automated triggering, no operator interaction (remote turned off) for flight and delivery, a false home point broadcasting (to make point of origin impossible to track), and an approach speed of up to 80 kph or better. If one is up to nefarious means then legal limits such as 400 ft max altitude can be thrown out as well, commercially available consumer grade drones can easily reach altitudes of 10,000 ft. There are few more wrinkles that can be added to the scenario that could make it more devastating without work that I'll not discuss here.

I'm a technology junkie with an OCD streak that spend a decade in the security industry doing vulnerability assessments, so yes, I have thought this through and even done proof of concept testing. This is a viable concern if someone is so inclined to understand the technology and it scares the heck out of me. Yes there is evolving anti-drone technology but like most similar technology it is reactive and rarely proactive.

As far as the current rash of sightings go, I've watched dozens of the videos of these "sightings" and every single one was obvious to me to be manned aircraft or other explainable objects. Don't forget, we are talking about New Jersey (I've family there and have lived there for several years).

[djlnc]

Thanks Don. Good to know that my thinking is not that far off - on the other hand, not so good.
My other concern is that once it happens there will be a spate of copycat events.

[Goldwingnut]

Thanks Don. Good to know that my thinking is not that far off - on the other hand, not so good.
My other concern is that once it happens there will be a spate of copycat events.

The sick copycats will definitely be a problem.
FYI, the Ukrainians have been using this method for a while - $1000 drone + $500 had grenade placed properly will take out a $20,000,000 tank, a pretty good ROI.

[DaddyD]

It’s the government not sharing. If it were some nefarious group or country, do you think they would have blinking lights flashing on them?

100% this.

A (very) large percentage of these YouTube videos are actually planes & such mis-identified as drones.

But there is less than a zero chance that nation states such as China are flying car-sized drones around New Jersey & the government is unaware, can't identify them, and/or is allowing it.

IF there are unidentified drones flying around secretly at night, it's being done by some government agency.

[fdpaq0580]

Where are the "Jewish space lasers" when you need them?
😮😡😠🤬

[prichards]

We see the drones in the same spot every night. Just walked outside at dusk and can see them in the sky way up. Is this a drone club here?

[kcrazorbackfan]

Anyone notice that there has not been much said lately about the drone activity up in the northeast? What changed?

[Stu from NYC]

Anyone notice that there has not been much said lately about the drone activity up in the northeast? What changed?

They were not drones?

[badkarma318]

Anyone notice that there has not been much said lately about the drone activity up in the northeast? What changed?

The wording. Look up "gravitic propulsion".