Public Service Announcement Lithium Carts

[BrianL99]

210 Amp Lithium

App shows 55% charge remaining.

App shows all battery functions operating normally and original charge of 100%.

Dashboard shows +/- 50% remaining.

Miles travelled 21.6

That is all.

[Bill14564]

210 Amp Lithium

App shows 55% charge remaining.

App shows all battery functions operating normally and original charge of 100%.

Dashboard shows +/- 50% remaining.

Miles travelled 21.6

That is all.

You have read the experience of many other owners.

You have seen the calculations of multiple manufacturers.

Your singular experience is different.

Everyone else is lying? Or, maybe you need to have your cart checked out.

[Bill14564]

04:59

- You don’t charge overnight night and took this picture this morning but didn’t post it for 16 hours?
- You took this picture this morning after getting up at 3am for a 20 mile drive?
- 04:59 shows hours used and you averaged 4mph over those 21 miles?
- 04:59 is supposed to be the current time and your gps clock is not working but you still believe the mileage it reports?

[MSchad]

210 Amp Lithium

App shows 55% charge remaining.

App shows all battery functions operating normally and original charge of 100%.

Dashboard shows +/- 50% remaining.

Miles travelled 21.6

That is all.
Thanks for bringing that to our attention!

[Two Bills]

Is there a fault, or just the usual electric, gas argument?
Just a general pot stir?
What is the point of the post?

[PoolBrews]

How is this a "Public service announcement"? I don't even know what you are trying to say or what you are asking...

[Bay Kid]

Range anxiety. A problem found mostly in battery carts.

[BrianL99]

Is there a fault, or just the usual electric, gas argument?
Just a general pot stir?
What is the point of the post?

How is this a "Public service announcement"? I don't even know what you are trying to say or what you are asking...

Range anxiety. A problem found mostly in battery carts.


The post is only relevant to those folks who have Lithium Electric carts, who have been told (or claim) their 210 Amp battery is going to get them 70-80-90 miles. It might ... if you drive it at 10 mph.

[dtennent]

Range anxiety. A problem found mostly in battery carts.
This is old news. I live just north of 44 and have a ten year old Par Car. I can travel to all parts of The Villages and back without any concerns. Now that the novelty of driving that far in a golf cart has worn off, I usually take my car if I am driving that far.

[Bogie Shooter]

Is there a fault, or just the usual electric, gas argument?
Just a general pot stir?
What is the point of the post?:1rotfl:

[LeRoySmith]

The post is only relevant to those folks who have Lithium Electric carts, who have been told (or claim) their 210 Amp battery is going to get them 70-80-90 miles. It might ... if you drive it at 10 mph.

My card has a lithium battery, 205 amp hour, it will get 70 miles of range on one charge going 20 miles an hour easily. That's not a claim, it's a fact, anyone who says otherwise is misinformed or outright lying.

[Kelevision]

I have an ezgo lithium cart and have traveled as far north as possible from as far south as possible and didn’t even use 1/2 my charge. There’s never been one time I’ve even come close to thinking I might run out of charge. I’d never drive a golf cart that long or far for any reason whatsoever. Also, I was behind the smelliest loudest gas cart the other day and had to pull over just to get away from the fumes.

[hosegooseman]

The post is only relevant to those folks who have Lithium Electric carts, who have been told (or claim) their 210 Amp battery is going to get them 70-80-90 miles. It might ... if you drive it at 10 mph.

My friend has 210 Amp Cart. He has driven in multiple occasions, from Shady Brook (Eastport area), to my home in Silver Lake (Historic Side).

That’s about 42 to 45 miles total round trip, depending on your route. After getting back, he still has about 35%, average charge remaining. BTW, at 20 mph, probably a bit more. His cart can go closer to 25 mph.

He has taken other brands service/loaners (Lithium too) on that kind of trip, similar results.

Seems you need to check your cart condition. Maybe service needed.

[Rocksnap]

If my gas gauge is not functioning it’s no big deal. Just open up the cap to the tank and take a look inside. Easy peasy and the results never mislead.
Just keep an eye on the mileage since the refill. I easily go 210 miles before needing gas. Works every time, without looking at the tank.

[midiwiz]

210 Amp Lithium

App shows 55% charge remaining.

App shows all battery functions operating normally and original charge of 100%.

Dashboard shows +/- 50% remaining.

Miles travelled 21.6

That is all.

Unlike the others, I will tell you this can and will happen. LI batteries can be "untrained" real easily. It's all in the charge timing etc. whatever the manual says for battery care needs to be followed exact with no exceptions ever. This is the "or else" scenario. Seen it many times.

[Footer]

The Star Cart battery meter is nonlinear. You need to install the Star Lithium App that talks to the battery. I had a loaner and my range was 71 miles.

[PoolBrews]

The post is only relevant to those folks who have Lithium Electric carts, who have been told (or claim) their 210 Amp battery is going to get them 70-80-90 miles. It might ... if you drive it at 10 mph.

I have a lithium cart with a 205ah battery. I can go between 70-75 miles with 10% battery remaining (I've done it twice), and my cart is set at a top speed of a bit over 20mph. I generally charge when my cart dips below 40%.

Range for a lithium cart is completely dependent on the quality of your BMS (Battery Management System). A 205ah battery will get you in the 70-75 mile range for an Evolution D5 Ranger. The same in another manufacturer's cart will yield a different result depending on the efficiency of the carts forward motion (bearings, drivetrain, etc), the overall weight of the cart and it's contents, and the BMS.

I still don't understand the whole "public service announcement" part of the post.

[LeRoySmith]

I have a lithium cart with a 205ah battery. I can go between 70-75 miles with 10% battery remaining (I've done it twice), and my cart is set at a top speed of a bit over 20mph. I generally charge when my cart dips below 40%.

Range for a lithium cart is completely dependent on the quality of your BMS (Battery Management System). A 205ah battery will get you in the 70-75 mile range for an Evolution D5 Ranger. The same in another manufacturer's cart will yield a different result depending on the efficiency of the carts forward motion (bearings, drivetrain, etc), the overall weight of the cart and it's contents, and the BMS.

I still don't understand the whole "public service announcement" part of the post.

You know wind drag has a lot to do with it, maybe some folks are hauling something huge that's catching a lot of wind. :a20:

[Elixir34]

My cart has a new 210 Ah battery. Getting just under 1 mile distance for each 1% of battery capacity. Example: 32 miles driven to view residential Christmas light displays at speeds varying from 14 to 22 mph - battery capacity remaining was 65%. Dealer says that over the first few months of use, battery capacity will increase slightly. He also said to abide by the “ABC” directive when the cart is returned from a trip - ALWAYS BE CHARGING.

Phil P

[jimjamuser]

I have an ezgo lithium cart and have traveled as far north as possible from as far south as possible and didn’t even use 1/2 my charge. There’s never been one time I’ve even come close to thinking I might run out of charge. I’d never drive a golf cart that long or far for any reason whatsoever. Also, I was behind the smelliest loudest gas cart the other day and had to pull over just to get away from the fumes.
I agree. Especially about the smelly fumes.

[MorTech]

TVGC has a 24 hour test drive program...Anyone can test the range of the 210ah cart before they buy...Amirite?

Does it even occur to you that maybe your cart is broken?

The Star carts use a LFP battery that you should charge after every use in order to not get BMS drift.

[BrianL99]

TVGC has a 24 hour test drive program...Anyone can test the range of the 210ah cart before they buy...Amirite?

Does it even occur to you that maybe your cart is broken?

The Star carts use a LFP battery that you should charge after every use in order to not get BMS drift.

TVGC has very special ones that even surpass Star's mileage estimation.

& mine runs fine, exactly the same as the other 3, in various configurations.

My point was, real life experience is usually more practical than anecdotal information or manufacturer's or dealer's marketing estimates. it depends on how you use the product. Put on some running lights, a sound bar and drive it like you stole it ... you're not going to exceed the marketing specs.

In Star EV's the software manages BMS drift and can be updated and monitored from the App.

[RUCdaze]

Most people who have been aound for a while will only buy gas carts. Why do you think EV's are so unpopular?

[Bill14564]

Most people who have been aound for a while will only buy gas carts. Why do you think EV's are so unpopular?

Where are EV carts unpopular? They seem to be wildly popular here. There is no doubt in my mind that my next cart will be electric just like my current one.

[LeRoySmith]

Where are EV carts unpopular? They seem to be wildly popular here. There is no doubt in my mind that my next cart will be electric just like my current one.

We really like our electric. We struggled with the decision before we bought but since then we continue to be happier with it purchase. I'm even considering a play electric car. I'm still hooked on petrol for our long distance car but when the tech and infrastructure catch up I'll use electric for that too.

[Bay Kid]

The Villages Car Store did a youtube test on several battery carts. Good to know info. Check them out.

[MorTech]

How are the TVGC carts "Special"? Can you be more specific? Why don't they offer their "Special" carts to their customers?

The MMP is now open down Marsh Bend to Central Parkway. I think 210ah is minimum :)

EZGO now offers a 6.2 lithium configuration good for about 90 miles. I don't know if TVGC carries them yet. I still think the Atlas 210ah cart is the best value.

[LeRoySmith]

How are the TVGC carts "Special"? Can you be more specific? Why don't they offer their "Special" carts to their customers?

The MMP is now open down Marsh Bend to Central Parkway. I think 210ah is minimum :)

EZGO now offers a 6.2 lithium configuration good for about 90 miles. I don't know if TVGC carries them yet. I still think the Atlas 210ah cart is the best value.

I test drove the Atlas right before I bought my Evolution, I really liked it and if they offered a 4 forward facing I probably would have bought one. They are nicer than a Star cart but less money. They are more money and about equal to an Evolution but made in USA and by a group that has been making carts a long time (for other companies). The ride wasn't quite a good as an Evolution with 2 people in both carts, as soon as you put a heavy person in that back of the Atlas the ride went from pretty good to pretty bad. It had more of a teeter totter effect than any of the other 2 forward/2 rearward facing carts. If felt like the front end was just skimming the ground any time you went over a bump.

If you're always just 2 people I think I'd go with Atlas, if you ever haul more than 2 I'd go with an Evolution. Star is over priced and and just not as high of quality as the Atlas. Also, I see EZGO has a new 4 forward facing cart that looks really nice, I've never seen one in person.

The upside of an Evolution is you can easily get 70 miles on a charge and have 10-12 percent battery left (every time, regardless of what some people might tell you) and you can buy one for a song.

[Bill14564]

How are the TVGC carts "Special"? Can you be more specific? Why don't they offer their "Special" carts to their customers?

The MMP is now open down Marsh Bend to Central Parkway. I think 210ah is minimum :)

EZGO now offers a 6.2 lithium configuration good for about 90 miles. I don't know if TVGC carries them yet. I still think the Atlas 210ah cart is the best value.

That’s 10 miles or so from Brownwood, some will have range anxiety even with a 210. :)

I may take a cruise down there next week when the temps improve. The Marsh Bend route will save my a couple miles over the other options.

[PoolBrews]

You know wind drag has a lot to do with it, maybe some folks are hauling something huge that's catching a lot of wind. :a20:

You may laugh, but this is actually very true. My cart will get an extra 5 miles on a full charge if the front window is down as opposed to up.

[MorTech]

I drove the MMP all around TV (no shortcuts) and clocked 42 miles.

BV/Marsh Bend -> El Camino Real -> Morse/Bexley -> Central Pkwy = 42 miles and it was tedious but I had nothing better to do :)

[Topspinmo]

People talk about my next cart? I won’t have next cart cause my cart will outlast me.

[MorTech]

The latest technology lithium batteries should have a capacity retention of 80% to the calendar life of perhaps 20 years. The latest electrolyte and single crystal chemistry is quite a leap. I don't know why anyone wants to keep a single golf cart that long but then I see a lot of Club Car DS carts buzzing around.