Social Security cola statement

[Cliff Fr]

I was looking at the SSA statement today of my cola increase and my total deductions and benefit amount. I noticed a line item titled "income tax deduction for non-citzens". I was unaware that non-citizens were eligible for social security retirement benefits. Am I mistaken?

[Bill14564]

I was looking at the SSA statement today of my cola increase and my total deductions and benefit amount. I noticed a line item titled "income tax deduction for non-citzens". I was unaware that non-citizens were eligible for social security retirement benefits. Am I mistaken?

Yes. Try googling "ss income tax deductions for non citizens"

[Cliff Fr]

Yes. Try googling "ss income tax deductions for non citizens"

I was looking at my statement that applies to people already receiving SS retirement benefits. Is a non-citizen entitled to SS retirement benefits?

[Rainger99]

If they are legal, they can get Social Security.


https://faq.ssa.gov/en-US/Topic/article/KA-02447#:~:text=Lawfully%20present%20noncitizens%20o f%20the,information%20visit%20our%20Immigration%20 page.

[Bill14564]

I was looking at my statement that applies to people already receiving SS retirement benefits. Is a non-citizen entitled to SS retirement benefits?

As already mentioned…

Yes. Try googling "ss income tax deductions for non citizens"

[jimhoward]

Permanent residents (green card holders) and other legal immigrants have social security numbers, pay into social security, and are eligible for benefits.

I think the only ones who don't are those who are not eligible to work (e.g. tourist visas and student visas).

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I was looking at the SSA statement today of my cola increase and my total deductions and benefit amount. I noticed a line item titled "income tax deduction for non-citzens". I was unaware that non-citizens were eligible for social security retirement benefits. Am I mistaken?

SOME non-citizens can receive social security retirement benefits. Not all. There are specific criteria, and the person has to meet ALL of it, to be eligible.

For example - DACA recipients have to pay into Social Security via payroll deductions like everyone else, but they are /not/ eligible to receive Social Security retirement benefits. They have no path to citizenship.

[CFrance]

Our German daughter-in-law came over to the US a year and a half ago and married our son. (They've known each other for years.) She applied for and received her right-to-work letter, followed by her green card, after satisfying many requirements and providing proof of others. It took four months. She is employed full time at a pharmacy and pays into SS. Everything was done legally through an immigration attorney. She will renew it for a certain number of times, after which she will be allowed to stay for ten years. At the end of ten years they may have some decisions to make. Apparently US doesn't offer dual citzenship, so she would have to renounce her German citizenship. We're not exactly sure that will be the case.

[Ecuadog]

... Apparently US doesn't offer dual citzenship, so she would have to renounce her German citizenship. ...

I don't think that is true.

"Whether you were born an American citizen or became one through naturalization, if you have dual citizenship, you:

+ Owe allegiance to both the U.S. and a foreign country

+ Must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the U.S.

+ Do not have to choose one nationality over the other. As a U.S. citizen, you may naturalize in another country without risking your U.S. citizenship."

How to get dual citizenship or nationality | USAGov (https://www.usa.gov/dual-citizenship)

[Kelevision]

Our German daughter-in-law came over to the US a year and a half ago and married our son. (They've known each other for years.) She applied for and received her right-to-work letter, followed by her green card, after satisfying many requirements and providing proof of others. It took four months. She is employed full time at a pharmacy and pays into SS. Everything was done legally through an immigration attorney. She will renew it for a certain number of times, after which she will be allowed to stay for ten years. At the end of ten years they may have some decisions to make. Apparently US doesn't offer dual citzenship, so she would have to renounce her German citizenship. We're not exactly sure that will be the case.

Elon Musk is a triple citizen. His home country of South Africa, the US and Canada. Maybe they don’t offer it for Germans? I have tons of friends who are dual citizens of the US and Canada.

[Arlington2]

My friend Mr. Google tells me
"Yes, a German can have dual citizenship in America, and the process to do so is becoming easier:
New law
As of June 27, 2024, German nationals can apply for foreign citizenship without losing their German citizenship. This is due to the Act on the Modernization of the Citizenship Law (StARModG), which eliminates the need for a Retention Permit to keep German citizenship."

[Bogie Shooter]

Elon Musk is a triple citizen. His home country of South Africa, the US and Canada. Maybe they don’t offer it for Germans? I have tons of friends who are dual citizens of the US and Canada.

He probably bought what ever he has or wants…………..

[Topspinmo]

I was looking at my statement that applies to people already receiving SS retirement benefits. Is a non-citizen entitled to SS retirement benefits?


Does it list any of the add on benefits like SSI, disability, welfare any many more that may suck money out of SS? Which was originally a retirement fund only?

[Topspinmo]

Elon Musk is a triple citizen. His home country of South Africa, the US and Canada. Maybe they don’t offer it for Germans? I have tons of friends who are dual citizens of the US and Canada.

They done it Legally, I don’t think Eldon nor the son’s girlfriend snook across the border or use the 1-800 number to jump ahead of legal immigration and border jumpers. But, not worry illegal border jumpers will have to back to Moling under border shorty.

[Topspinmo]

[QUOTE=Bogie Shooter;2395488]He probably bought what ever he has or wants…………..[/QUOTE


I see you’re not impressed or fan of success and legal immigration. :sing:

[ElDiabloJoe]

I don't know if someone who was a foreign citizen first, then becomes an American citizen has to renounce.

I do know if you are a born-in-the-U.S.A. citizen and you qualify for another country's citizenship and become one, you can be a citizen of both countries. I know this firsthand due to my recently acquired Irish citizenship status (and passport).

[CFrance]

My friend Mr. Google tells me
"Yes, a German can have dual citizenship in America, and the process to do so is becoming easier:
New law
As of June 27, 2024, German nationals can apply for foreign citizenship without losing their German citizenship. This is due to the Act on the Modernization of the Citizenship Law (StARModG), which eliminates the need for a Retention Permit to keep German citizenship."
Thanks for this. Forwarding to our son and DIL.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Does it list any of the add on benefits like SSI, disability, welfare any many more that may suck money out of SS? Which was originally a retirement fund only?

Welfare is funded through taxes, it is not an entitlement of Social Security at all.
SSI is funded through taxes and is also not an entitlement of Social Security.

SSDI is funded through Social Security, and is available ONLY to people who have paid into it through payroll deductions up until the point that they've been approved to receive SSDI benefits.

[Topspinmo]

Welfare is funded through taxes, it is not an entitlement of Social Security at all.
SSI is funded through taxes and is also not an entitlement of Social Security.

SSDI is funded through Social Security, and is available ONLY to people who have paid into it through payroll deductions up until the point that they've been approved to receive SSDI benefits.

That went right over your head why these programs was enacted.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

They done it Legally, I don’t think Eldon nor the son’s girlfriend snook across the border or use the 1-800 number to jump ahead of legal immigration and border jumpers. But, not worry illegal border jumpers will have to back to Moling under border shorty.

Elon came in on a student visa, which was extended to allow him to enroll in Stanford University after getting a couple of degrees from UPenn and Wharton. But - he chose not to go to Stanford and he was no longer authorized to remain in the USA. He stayed here anyway - illegally. He told shareholders and former business associates that he was here on a student visa - when that student visa was no longer valid.

So yes - he was an unauthorized immigrant for a period of time.

[TheWarriors]

muskrat is a liar, poser and a fraud. It's very easy to see if you look beyond the headlines and what he wants you to believe.

both should go, neither one is great for the US., they just clog up the legal process

I disagree, actually he is quite successful at challenging industries most have failed to succeed in. He is the adult in the room actually saying we cannot sustain our increasing debt load, yet many think the gravy train will never end. Why are we sending money we don’t have to other countries?

[Bill14564]

I disagree, actually he is quite successful at challenging industries most have failed to succeed in. He is the adult in the room actually saying we cannot sustain our increasing debt load, yet many think the gravy train will never end. Why are we sending money we don’t have to other countries?

We must have it or we could not send it.

We send it because it is the human thing to do and/or because if we don't then someone else will. The actions we take now will be remembered in the future when we need natural resources or political friends or a place to refuel our planes or even just permission to cross airspace.

[SaucyJim]

Does it list any of the add on benefits like SSI, disability, welfare any many more that may suck money out of SS? Which was originally a retirement fund only?

Social Security was never a retirement fund. It was an insurance program against outliving one’s savings/retirement. The age was not adjusted upward to reflect the extended lifespan, so it became unsustainable.

[TheWarriors]

We must have it or we could not send it.

We send it because it is the human thing to do and/or because if we don't then someone else will. The actions we take now will be remembered in the future when we need natural resources or political friends or a place to refuel our planes or even just permission to cross airspace.

We will see how humane it is when chaos is the norm in our Country when inflation hits 1000% and people do what they have to in order not to starve. We are not immune to self destruction and I don’t see any other Countries that will seek to save us.

[Wondering]

I was looking at the SSA statement today of my cola increase and my total deductions and benefit amount. I noticed a line item titled "income tax deduction for non-citzens". I was unaware that non-citizens were eligible for social security retirement benefits. Am I mistaken?
Do some legitimate research. If they are granted permanent residence because they work for the Department of Homeland Security, they pay US taxes and are entitled to SS.

[FrostyBear]

Our German daughter-in-law came over to the US a year and a half ago and married our son. (They've known each other for years.) She applied for and received her right-to-work letter, followed by her green card, after satisfying many requirements and providing proof of others. It took four months. She is employed full time at a pharmacy and pays into SS. Everything was done legally through an immigration attorney. She will renew it for a certain number of times, after which she will be allowed to stay for ten years. At the end of ten years they may have some decisions to make. Apparently US doesn't offer dual citzenship, so she would have to renounce her German citizenship. We're not exactly sure that will be the case.

Germany does not recognize dual citizenship, although that might be changing soon. The US recognizes dual citizenship but with certain rules.

[nn0wheremann]

I was looking at the SSA statement today of my cola increase and my total deductions and benefit amount. I noticed a line item titled "income tax deduction for non-citzens". I was unaware that non-citizens were eligible for social security retirement benefits. Am I mistaken?
If they earn the benefit by paying FICA taxes, or qualify as the insured dependent of a number holder, citizens of any nation, or of no nation can receive Social Security benefits. Their residence in some foreign countries such as North Korea will cause suspension of payments.

Social Security is just an insurance plan the indemnifies against the loss of earned income due to retirement, death, or disability.

[Sherkugawa]

I was looking at the SSA statement today of my cola increase and my total deductions and benefit amount. I noticed a line item titled "income tax deduction for non-citzens". I was unaware that non-citizens were eligible for social security retirement benefits. Am I mistaken?

Yes, Social Security will pay retirement benefits to non-citizens. It’s really quite common. 5 years (40 calendar quarters) of work at sufficient income levels and the worker is eligible.

[Bill14564]

Germany does not recognize dual citizenship, although that might be changing soon. The US recognizes dual citizenship but with certain rules.

Post #11 and this Germany Visa page (https://www.germany-visa.org/german-citizenship/dual-citizenship/us/) say otherwise.

[SoCalGal]

For example, DACA recipients have to pay into Social Security via payroll deductions like everyone else, but they are not eligible to receive Social Security retirement benefits. They have no path to citizenship.

That's what happens when one's parents enter America illegally.

[SoCalGal]

We must have it or we could not send it.

Au contraire. We borrowed it, which is not the same as having it.

[SoCalGal]

So, yes, [Elon Musk] was an unauthorized immigrant for a period of time.

I thank God every day that Elon Musk is now a productive, forward-thinking, and influential American citizen. America is blessed to have such a genius living among us.

[SoCalGal]

I see you’re not impressed nor a fan of success and legal immigration.

It comes down to coveting. Coveting is destructive to individuals and entire societies. Wanting what someone else has or resenting what someone else has is so debilitating to an individual's soul and the soul of countries that God made "Do not covet" one of His ten commandments (the 10th) for successful living.

[retiredguy123]

We will see how humane it is when chaos is the norm in our Country when inflation hits 1000% and people do what they have to in order not to starve. We are not immune to self destruction and I don’t see any other Countries that will seek to save us.
I would add that it is not humane to borrow money to give to others, and force future generations to pay back the loan.

[GoldenBoy]

I was looking at the SSA statement today of my cola increase and my total deductions and benefit amount. I noticed a line item titled "income tax deduction for non-citzens". I was unaware that non-citizens were eligible for social security retirement benefits. Am I mistaken?

Maybe, you would be further ahead in your quest for information by directing this question to the SSA.
Just a thought.

[REO7990]

Does it list any of the add on benefits like SSI, disability, welfare any many more that may suck money out of SS? Which was originally a retirement fund only?

SSA includes the following three Federal programs: Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is for those who do not have the necessary 40 work quarters to qualify for SS income under SSA. Those under retirement age can apply for SSI if disabled. It is NEED based where SSA benefits are WORK based. SSI enables the claimant to receive Medicaid benefits while those who qualify for SSA qualify for Medicare. Social Security Disability Income (SSDI) is earmarked for those who are disabled according to the Fed. Again, receiving SSDI benefits is work and not need based. As stated above, those disabled without the necessary 40 work quarters can apply for SSI benefits.

Welfare is NOT a Federal program but locally funded.

[retiredguy123]

SSA includes the following three Federal programs: Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is for those who do not have the necessary 40 work quarters to qualify for SS income under SSA. Those under retirement age can apply for SSI if disabled. It is NEED based where SSA benefits are WORK based. SSI enables the claimant to receive Medicaid benefits while those who qualify for SSA qualify for Medicare. Social Security Disability Income (SSDI) is earmarked for those who are disabled according to the Fed. Again, receiving SSDI benefits is work and not need based. As stated above, those disabled without the necessary 40 work quarters can apply for SSI benefits.

Welfare is NOT a Federal program but locally funded.
Regarding your last sentence, USA.GOV says:

"Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) is a federally funded, state-run program. Also known as welfare, TANF helps families financially after experiencing hardship."

It may be state-run, but it is Federally funded.

[jimjamuser]

Our German daughter-in-law came over to the US a year and a half ago and married our son. (They've known each other for years.) She applied for and received her right-to-work letter, followed by her green card, after satisfying many requirements and providing proof of others. It took four months. She is employed full time at a pharmacy and pays into SS. Everything was done legally through an immigration attorney. She will renew it for a certain number of times, after which she will be allowed to stay for ten years. At the end of ten years they may have some decisions to make. Apparently US doesn't offer dual citzenship, so she would have to renounce her German citizenship. We're not exactly sure that will be the case.
Ten years is a fairly long time. Lots of things could change by then.

[Red Rose]

I was looking at the SSA statement today of my cola increase and my total deductions and benefit amount. I noticed a line item titled "income tax deduction for non-citzens". I was unaware that non-citizens were eligible for social security retirement benefits. Am I mistaken?


This means that we are paying for illegals, right?

[Bogie Shooter]

Maybe, you would be further ahead in your quest for information by directing this question to the SSA.
Just a thought.

That would deny all these experts the chance to display their intelligence.🫢

[juddfl]

We borrow money to send to other countries that ask for help.

[bsloan1960]

They are looking to add the element of conversation to obtain further information that will not be obtained from either a Google Search, or your brief answer- that for some reason you are insisting is the one and only answer needed.As already mentioned…

[Bill14564]

They are looking to add the element of conversation to obtain further information that will not be obtained from either a Google Search, or your brief answer- that for some reason you are insisting is the one and only answer needed.

It was a yes or no question - I answered it with a yes. The additional information in my post and in post #4 provided support for that answer.

Rather than just criticizing my choice of words, do you have an answer to the OP's question that is different than those provided in posts 2, 4, and 6?

[Ladays1978@gmail.com]

I was looking at the SSA statement today of my cola increase and my total deductions and benefit amount. I noticed a line item titled "income tax deduction for non-citzens". I was unaware that non-citizens were eligible for social security retirement benefits. Am I mistaken?

Why do you think some people are so upset with the amount of people coming into our country. This isn't enough for the people that have been paying into SS for our whole lives let alone the people that came here illegally.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Why do you think some people are so upset with the amount of people coming into our country. This isn't enough for the people that have been paying into SS for our whole lives let alone the people that came here illegally.

People here illegally don't receive social security benefits. As I said up-thread: DACA recipients who pay INTO the social security system through payroll deductions, are NOT allowed to get any of it out. They are people whose parents came here illegally with their children. The children were allowed to remain as non-citizens, but could own businesses and buy houses and go to college and work for a living when they were old enough. They pay into the system, and can't benefit from it.

People who don't have social security numbers don't pay into the system, and can't get anything out of it.

People using someone else's social security number (usually people who have been smuggled in) will never collect on it - because the number is legitimate - but belongs to someone else and that someone else will be getting the social security check.

Anyone who gets an actual paycheck in a legitimate job, with very few exceptions (some government and railroad employees) - whether the employee is here legally or not - is paying into the social security system.