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RyFLGA
01-03-2025, 05:22 AM
I don’t know if many of you have been on it yet, but the new Marsh Bend Golf Cart trail is a bit dangerous.
The path has many 90° turns that are very tight and have serious blind spots. I have already witnessed one very bad (day time) golf cart crash at a blind turn.
There are no reflectors in any part of the path, it’s extremely dark and there are zero lights anywhere close to the path.
Is there a specific department where I/we can express our concerns to the villages?
Thanks
asianthree
01-03-2025, 06:05 AM
Single cart accident, or multiple cart accident. Since you were a witness, was speed involved or did it look like misjudging of path. Haven’t traveled new path yet, just wondering.
golfing eagles
01-03-2025, 06:05 AM
I don’t know if many of you have been on it yet, but the new Marsh Bend Golf Cart trail is a bit dangerous.
The path has many 90° turns that are very tight and have serious blind spots. I have already witnessed one very bad (day time) golf cart crash at a blind turn.
There are no reflectors in any part of the path, it’s extremely dark and there are zero lights anywhere close to the path.
Is there a specific department where I/we can express our concerns to the villages?
Thanks
Is that a reflection of poor design or poor driving skills? There are plenty of "blind 90 degree" turns on other MMPs, and plenty of drivers who don't bother to slow down or pay attention.
But question: Is the Marsh Bend MMP open all the way down to Central Parkway now?
Ignatz
01-03-2025, 06:09 AM
I drove the new path on Christmas Day. It was fine and people were driving sensibly.
However I believe TV should put reflectors into the center line of the pavement on the curves as they do on the other MMPs.
RyFLGA
01-03-2025, 06:20 AM
Is that a reflection of poor design or poor driving skills? There are plenty of "blind 90 degree" turns on other MMPs, and plenty of drivers who don't bother to slow down or pay attention.
But question: Is the Marsh Bend MMP open all the way down to Central Parkway now?
It’s probably a mix of both, but poor design is definitely a factor in my opinion. Yes, I believe it’s open to Central Parkway.
RyFLGA
01-03-2025, 06:22 AM
Single cart accident, or multiple cart accident. Since you were a witness, was speed involved or did it look like misjudging of path. Haven’t traveled new path yet, just wondering.
Multiple cart. I didn’t see it happen, I arrived just after.
Deckboat234
01-03-2025, 07:20 AM
Is that a reflection of poor design or poor driving skills? There are plenty of "blind 90 degree" turns on other MMPs, and plenty of drivers who don't bother to slow down or pay attention.
But question: Is the Marsh Bend MMP open all the way down to Central Parkway now?
Yes it is. took it down last week
Marathon Man
01-03-2025, 07:48 AM
Multiple cart. I didn’t see it happen, I arrived just after.
So, someone cut the corner. That is not uncommon, unfortunately. The path is not dangerous, just some drivers.
Bilyclub
01-03-2025, 08:27 AM
Is it too hard to stay on your side of the road. Maybe it’s time for dash cams on carts.
villagetinker
01-03-2025, 08:48 AM
I don’t know if many of you have been on it yet, but the new Marsh Bend Golf Cart trail is a bit dangerous.
The path has many 90° turns that are very tight and have serious blind spots. I have already witnessed one very bad (day time) golf cart crash at a blind turn.
There are no reflectors in any part of the path, it’s extremely dark and there are zero lights anywhere close to the path.
Is there a specific department where I/we can express our concerns to the villages?
Thanks
To answer your specific question, contact your CDD with your concerns.
VApeople
01-03-2025, 05:14 PM
The path has many 90° turns that are very tight and have serious blind spots.
We have lived here for over 8 years. We do not own a golf cart and have no plans to buy one.
I have noticed that some golf cart drivers do not like to make sharp turns and they often swing wide into the lane in which I am driving. Maybe it is because the golf cart seats do not give enough lateral support or something like that.
Teed_Off
01-03-2025, 08:27 PM
Even a straight path is dangerous for a careless driver. I was on the path on Wednesday and had no problems. Not buying the hype.
DonH57
01-03-2025, 08:35 PM
I agree with the fact it's more likely the result of poor driving skills. Golf cart or automobile, it seems everyone wants to blame poor road design or the cart paths have too sharp of a turn versus common sense. Slow down and pay attention to what you should be doing. Allow adequate time to get where you need to go without possibly causing an accident.
Marathon Man
01-03-2025, 09:01 PM
We have lived here for over 8 years. We do not own a golf cart and have no plans to buy one.
I have noticed that some golf cart drivers do not like to make sharp turns and they often swing wide into the lane in which I am driving. Maybe it is because the golf cart seats do not give enough lateral support or something like that.
No. It's because they don't like lifting their foot off the accelerator.
OrangeBlossomBaby
01-03-2025, 09:33 PM
This is what happens when you have people whose eyesight is failing, their reflexes aren't as good as they were 30 years ago, and they've given up their driver's license because they're just not safe drivers anymore. And put those people into a golf cart community in a state that doesn't require them to have a driver's license to operate a golf cart.
Pro-tip: if you can't drive a car anymore, you probably shouldn't drive at all. For the safety of everyone ELSE.
Ldemartino
01-04-2025, 07:29 AM
Is that a reflection of poor design or poor driving skills? There are plenty of "blind 90 degree" turns on other MMPs, and plenty of drivers who don't bother to slow down or pay attention.
But question: Is the Marsh Bend MMP open all the way down to Central Parkway now?
Yes
Laker14
01-04-2025, 07:47 AM
Is that a reflection of poor design or poor driving skills? There are plenty of "blind 90 degree" turns on other MMPs, and plenty of drivers who don't bother to slow down or pay attention.
But question: Is the Marsh Bend MMP open all the way down to Central Parkway now?
Ain't that the truth. I haven't been on this particular stretch, and probably won't ever since it's a long way from home. Going southbound on the MMP as it runs between the homes along the executive course (Turtle Mound?) the MMP takes a turn left to run parallel to 466A. Traffic in the opposite direction has a long straightaway from the tunnel and often hits that corner too fast to stay in the proper lane. This is not a unique design. But it's a dangerous one. I travel it fairly often and have learned to slow down and be defensive.
These MMPs are designed for speeds closer to 15mph, but everyone juices their carts up to closer to 25mph and then drifts off into Lala Land, making what was a sufficiently careful design dangerous.
You can't make the other dude slow down, but you can control your own speed, and be defensive.
golfing eagles
01-04-2025, 07:53 AM
Ain't that the truth. I haven't been on this particular stretch, and probably won't ever since it's a long way from home. Going southbound on the MMP as it runs between the homes along the executive course (Turtle Mound?) the MMP takes a turn left to run parallel to 466A. Traffic in the opposite direction has a long straightaway from the tunnel and often hits that corner too fast to stay in the proper lane. This is not a unique design. But it's a dangerous one. I travel it fairly often and have learned to slow down and be defensive.
These MMPs are designed for speeds closer to 15mph, but everyone juices their carts up to closer to 25mph and then drifts off into Lala Land, making what was a sufficiently careful design dangerous.
You can't make the other dude slow down, but you can control your own speed, and be defensive.
Yep, I love that curve also. Especially when someone crossing from the 1st green to 2nd tee thinks they have the right of way to cross in front of both oncoming carts.
Altavia
01-04-2025, 08:03 AM
Agree the "Stevie Wonder" turns on that path are no different than others in The Villages. The edges are hard to see at night, especially when carts with bright center after market lights approach.
People need to slow down and be prepared to go off road to avoid accidents. But it does seem worse on that path and there are some distinction in that area.
Maybe a result of more than normal new drivers utilizing the Lifestyle homes and from Middletown who are unfamiliar with how things work. It's not unusual to see carts on Marsh Bend Trail.
We're seeing many "Lowes/ Kandi" 4-6 passenger "mini-van" sized carts that seem capable of speeds significantly exceeding 20 mpg . And some of the drivers don't look old enough to be behind the wheel alone.
BlueStarAirlines
01-04-2025, 08:14 AM
We have lived here for over 8 years. We do not own a golf cart and have no plans to buy one.
I have noticed that some golf cart drivers do not like to make sharp turns and they often swing wide into the lane in which I am driving.
If you don't own a golf cart and have no plans to buy one, how are other drivers swinging wide into your lane which you are driving?
Marathon Man
01-04-2025, 08:24 AM
If you don't own a golf cart and have no plans to buy one, how are other drivers swinging wide into your lane which you are driving?
Good question. The answer will be interesting.
kimgarwel12@gmail.com
01-04-2025, 08:25 AM
Yes, the path is open all the way to Central Pkwy. Yes, it's curvy, but actually a pretty ride. Yes, there are no reflectors.....yet. I went head to head with the Infrastructure Dept about reflectors and center lane strips on the Meggison cart path when it first opened because it was so dark. It can be done if you push and keep on them. But it really all comes down to safe driving and paying attention!!!
VApeople
01-04-2025, 08:29 AM
If you don't own a golf cart and have no plans to buy one, how are other drivers swinging wide into your lane which you are driving?
Inside our village of Osceola Hills there are many places where the cars and golf carts share the same roads.
TheSerg
01-04-2025, 08:41 AM
I don’t know if many of you have been on it yet, but the new Marsh Bend Golf Cart trail is a bit dangerous.
The path has many 90° turns that are very tight and have serious blind spots. I have already witnessed one very bad (day time) golf cart crash at a blind turn.
There are no reflectors in any part of the path, it’s extremely dark and there are zero lights anywhere close to the path.
Is there a specific department where I/we can express our concerns to the villages?
Thanks
Pro Tip, slow down! No different than driving a car on the street or highway. I don’t understand why people are compelled to speed!
Topspinmo
01-04-2025, 09:04 AM
I grew up in country were roads didn’t have marking or gravel. Never had problem staying on my side of road. In my area we have center markings And reflectors but people still can’t stay on their side of road especially on corners. markings and reflectors may help few IMO it won’t help solve problem due to road hogs or types that just don’t pay attention or have little driving skills.:shocked:
Topspinmo
01-04-2025, 09:06 AM
Good question. The answer will be interesting.
I got answer? They don’t know how to drive safely.
Topspinmo
01-04-2025, 09:08 AM
This is what happens when you have people whose eyesight is failing, their reflexes aren't as good as they were 30 years ago, and they've given up their driver's license because they're just not safe drivers anymore. And put those people into a golf cart community in a state that doesn't require them to have a driver's license to operate a golf cart.
Pro-tip: if you can't drive a car anymore, you probably shouldn't drive at all. For the safety of everyone ELSE.
IMO age has nothing to do with it. It’s drivers. Sure some maybe over hill and shouldn’t be driving at night. But IMO mostly all driver age problem and that problem is bad driving or me me attitude.
jimkerr
01-04-2025, 09:18 AM
I don’t know if many of you have been on it yet, but the new Marsh Bend Golf Cart trail is a bit dangerous.
The path has many 90° turns that are very tight and have serious blind spots. I have already witnessed one very bad (day time) golf cart crash at a blind turn.
There are no reflectors in any part of the path, it’s extremely dark and there are zero lights anywhere close to the path.
Is there a specific department where I/we can express our concerns to the villages?
Thanks
I didn’t notice anything that made this MMP any different than others around TV. I definitely wouldn’t call it less safe.
Any issues are problems with golf cart drivers, not the path.
Villager24
01-04-2025, 10:41 AM
Almost every turn into a tunnel is 90 degrees but I guess you’re prepared for those. An unexpected 90 degree turn on an unlit path at night with no reflectors might give you a scare. I agree they do a better job of marking the paths in the northern sections.
golfing eagles
01-04-2025, 11:29 AM
Almost every turn into a tunnel is 90 degrees but I guess you’re prepared for those. An unexpected 90 degree turn on an unlit path at night with no reflectors might give you a scare. I agree they do a better job of marking the paths in the northern sections.
Or, and this is just a thought, possess the driving skills necessary to navigate a MMP at night or not drive at that time.
BBBnWitty
01-04-2025, 11:34 AM
No. It's because they don't like lifting their foot off the accelerator.
Or putting their phone down.
HORNET
01-04-2025, 12:28 PM
Slow down, !
HORNET
01-04-2025, 12:31 PM
Some people have never driven cars or carts, before moving here
ByebyeMichigan
01-04-2025, 12:39 PM
Yes it’s open all the way ……
ByebyeMichigan
01-04-2025, 12:45 PM
Oh stop it already …..there’s nothing wrong with that new path. Don’t speed , pay attention and drive defensively and you won’t have any problems ……
sowilts
01-04-2025, 01:09 PM
Is that a reflection of poor design or poor driving skills? There are plenty of "blind 90 degree" turns on other MMPs, and plenty of drivers who don't bother to slow down or pay attention.
But question: Is the Marsh Bend MMP open all the way down to Central Parkway now?
Yes, the landscaping is Beautiful. It is good that they slow carts down.
ltcdfancher
01-04-2025, 01:58 PM
Almost every turn into a tunnel is 90 degrees but I guess you’re prepared for those.
True! I was driving along Bexley Trail south of the bridge coming from the Eastport area. There are two tunnels quite close at that “intersection”. Two carts were moving quite rapidly coming out of the tunnel east-bound under Bexley and were in my “lane.”
I had not driven this section of the MMP so I was being overly cautious perhaps. As many have already pointed out…slow down. Expect someone to come around the next blind corner at a higher than prudent speed.
I have driven my car along Marsh Bend and there are curves…sharp ones…but they are far from being blind corners like the one I describe at the south end of the Bexley Bridge. Be safe!
Jalane
01-05-2025, 12:05 AM
We have lived here for over 8 years. We do not own a golf cart and have no plans to buy one.
I have noticed that some golf cart drivers do not like to make sharp turns and they often swing wide into the lane in which I am driving. Maybe it is because the golf cart seats do not give enough lateral support or something like that.
They may be swinging wide because they haven't slowed down enough to make a sharp turn.
CoachKandSportsguy
01-05-2025, 08:00 AM
Yes, the landscaping is Beautiful. It is good that they slow carts down.:ohdear: :ohdear:
:bigbow:
:popcorn:
Bilyclub
01-05-2025, 08:10 AM
Keep the tires properly inflated and curves shouldn’t be a problem.
ByebyeMichigan
01-05-2025, 08:39 AM
of course you did …….
hosegooseman
01-05-2025, 09:09 AM
Is that a reflection of poor design or poor driving skills? There are plenty of "blind 90 degree" turns on other MMPs, and plenty of drivers who don't bother to slow down or pay attention.
But question: Is the Marsh Bend MMP open all the way down to Central Parkway now?
Marsh Bend MMP is fully open, already used a few times.
As for dangerous, I don’t think is worst than other MMP around here. Could it use some improvements? Probable yes. But what I see and encounter frequently are bad and dangerous drivers. Golf carts don’t flip or crash on any degree turns by themselves.
JMintzer
01-05-2025, 03:45 PM
Ain't that the truth. I haven't been on this particular stretch, and probably won't ever since it's a long way from home. Going southbound on the MMP as it runs between the homes along the executive course (Turtle Mound?) the MMP takes a turn left to run parallel to 466A. Traffic in the opposite direction has a long straightaway from the tunnel and often hits that corner too fast to stay in the proper lane. This is not a unique design. But it's a dangerous one. I travel it fairly often and have learned to slow down and be defensive.
These MMPs are designed for speeds closer to 15mph, but everyone juices their carts up to closer to 25mph and then drifts off into Lala Land, making what was a sufficiently careful design dangerous.
You can't make the other dude slow down, but you can control your own speed, and be defensive.
Can you please tell me where you found this information? I never heard anything of the sort...
If that were true, why do TV Golf Car Stores sell Golf Cars that go 20 mph?
JMintzer
01-05-2025, 03:49 PM
Inside our village of Osceola Hills there are many places where the cars and golf carts share the same roads.
Every single neighborhood has streets where golf carts share the roads with cars. How else could they get home?
Are you saying they swing wide into oncoming traffic?
Or swing wide as you're trying to pass them going in the same direction?
If it's the 2nd option, that's your fault...
Maker
01-06-2025, 07:35 AM
It's very sad when brand new paths have safety issues. They should be designed to be safer, for everyone, no matter what their driving skills are.
Sure we can say "slow down" or "drive more carefully". But those are just band aids, only necessary for not considering safety as a priority in the initial design and construction.
I wonder when a lawyer will sue the developer because they chose to build something they should have known was dangerous.
golfing eagles
01-06-2025, 07:53 AM
It's very sad when brand new paths have safety issues. They should be designed to be safer, for everyone, no matter what their driving skills are.
Sure we can say "slow down" or "drive more carefully". But those are just band aids, only necessary for not considering safety as a priority in the initial design and construction.
I wonder when a lawyer will sue the developer because they chose to build something they should have known was dangerous.
And the basis for believing this path has "safety issues" is WHAT? Something the OP spouted out???? Have you driven it???? What proof is there that the design is flawed, as opposed to any other MMP in TV?
Bill14564
01-06-2025, 08:13 AM
It's very sad when brand new paths have safety issues. They should be designed to be safer, for everyone, no matter what their driving skills are.
Sure we can say "slow down" or "drive more carefully". But those are just band aids, only necessary for not considering safety as a priority in the initial design and construction.
I wonder when a lawyer will sue the developer because they chose to build something they should have known was dangerous.
I'm sure they could have been designed to be less safe, but they weren't, so they are safer, for everyone, no matter what their driving skills are.
Or, are you suggesting that roads, paths, trails, sidewalks, life in general should be dumbed down to be safe for the lowest set of skills imaginable? A speed limit of 5mph perhaps. Maybe jersey barriers separating roads from paths and paths from sidewalks. Maybe making it illegal to drive a vehicle in bad weather or at night. Maybe mandating pedestrians wear helmets with constant lighting to illuminate their path plus a strobe light to make them more visible to other pedestrians and vehicles.
I haven't driven the new path yet (maybe it will be warmer today) but I'm confident it was designed with safety in mind. Occasionally mistakes happen and things are missed but in those cases corrections are made. *IF* there is an issue with this path I'm sure it will be corrected *BUT* I suspect once Villagers get over their need to criticize anything new, especially anything new from the Developer, the path will be just fine.
Marathon Man
01-06-2025, 08:49 AM
It's very sad when brand new paths have safety issues. They should be designed to be safer, for everyone, no matter what their driving skills are.
Sure we can say "slow down" or "drive more carefully". But those are just band aids, only necessary for not considering safety as a priority in the initial design and construction.
I wonder when a lawyer will sue the developer because they chose to build something they should have known was dangerous.
And just what do you suggest for them to be "designed to be safer"?? Easy to say someone should do something. Harder to come up with an answer yourself. Maybe you think that they should not have any turns and only go in a straight line? By the way, you should not believe something just because one person said so. That path is not different than any other.
VApeople
01-06-2025, 09:21 AM
Every single neighborhood has streets where golf carts share the roads with cars. How else could they get home?
Are you saying they swing wide into oncoming traffic?
Yes
Laker14
01-06-2025, 11:08 AM
Can you please tell me where you found this information? I never heard anything of the sort...
If that were true, why do TV Golf Car Stores sell Golf Cars that go 20 mph?
My eyeballs.
Because they know people want to go that fast.
Maker
01-06-2025, 11:55 AM
And just what do you suggest for them to be "designed to be safer"?? Easy to say someone should do something. Harder to come up with an answer yourself. Maybe you think that they should not have any turns and only go in a straight line? By the way, you should not believe something just because one person said so. That path is not different than any other.
Here are some...
No blind corners. Clear landscaping and keep road signage and walls apart from paths. For example going east on McNeill, approaching Bexley, there is a huge village name sign in the street median, completely blocking cart's view of oncoming vehicles.
Avoid 90 degree turns where a curve could be used. These are easy to spot in many places.
Widen path at sharp turns. Simple no-brainer. A turning cart requires a wider width.
Don't make paths zig zag when a straight route is available. Avoids situations were oncoming carts are driving directly towards your cart (before they would curve right), with their headlights blinding you.
Put signage far ahead of areas where a turn might be needed. For example, at many tunnels the turn area also has signage saying which way each direction heads. Takes eyes off the road. Also use larger fonts to improve readability at further distances. Place lower so headlights illuminate them.
Locate entry/exit of tunnels further away from the T where they intersect the ramps, instead of having near zero distance between tunnel and access path. Not only is this a hard turn, there is no extra space, lousy sight lines, and blind spots.
None of these examples were hard to think about.
Just because they have not put any thought about safer designs in the past does not mean they should continue to do it the same old way. Being smart with designs costs nothing.
Marathon Man
01-06-2025, 01:13 PM
Here are some...
No blind corners. Clear landscaping and keep road signage and walls apart from paths. For example going east on McNeill, approaching Bexley, there is a huge village name sign in the street median, completely blocking cart's view of oncoming vehicles.
Avoid 90 degree turns where a curve could be used. These are easy to spot in many places.
Widen path at sharp turns. Simple no-brainer. A turning cart requires a wider width.
Don't make paths zig zag when a straight route is available. Avoids situations were oncoming carts are driving directly towards your cart (before they would curve right), with their headlights blinding you.
Put signage far ahead of areas where a turn might be needed. For example, at many tunnels the turn area also has signage saying which way each direction heads. Takes eyes off the road. Also use larger fonts to improve readability at further distances. Place lower so headlights illuminate them.
Locate entry/exit of tunnels further away from the T where they intersect the ramps, instead of having near zero distance between tunnel and access path. Not only is this a hard turn, there is no extra space, lousy sight lines, and blind spots.
None of these examples were hard to think about.
Just because they have not put any thought about safer designs in the past does not mean they should continue to do it the same old way. Being smart with designs costs nothing.
I have been diving a cart for ten years in TV. I have never felt the need for any of those things. I keep my eyes on the path in front of me and slow down when I need to. It's just good driving.
Topspinmo
01-06-2025, 01:20 PM
I have been diving a cart for ten years in TV. I have never felt the need for any of those things. I keep my eyes on the path in front of me and slow down when I need to. It's just good driving.
100 men (and women) will test today but only 3 will side on their side .
golfing eagles
01-06-2025, 01:23 PM
I have been diving a cart for ten years in TV. I have never felt the need for any of those things. I keep my eyes on the path in front of me and slow down when I need to. It's just good driving.
Apparently, there are those that think good driving could and should be replaced by some sort of idiot proof MMP design.
Bill14564
01-06-2025, 01:47 PM
I survived!!!
Just got back. Eisenhower to Brownwood to Everglades to Villages Fire Station 48 to Sawgrass to Rohan and back. About 23 miles. Nice ride.
A few sharp turns but nothing different than the stretch after the Brownwood bridge or going past Bradford.
Will be better once some reflectors are installed on the corners.
golfing eagles
01-06-2025, 02:52 PM
I survived!!!
Just got back. Eisenhower to Brownwood to Everglades to Sawgrass to Rohan and back. About 23 miles. Nice ride.
A few sharp turns but nothing different than the stretch after the Brownwood bridge or going past Bradford.
Will be better once some reflectors are installed on the corners.
Nice. But do you realize that is not the MMP that this thread is about?????
Bill14564
01-06-2025, 02:56 PM
Nice. But do you realize that is not the MMP that this thread is about?????
If this thread is not about the MMP that runs along Marsh Bend from Everglades to near Eastport then what MMP *is* it about?
(I’ll be editing my post above to include Villages Fire Station 48)
Altavia
01-06-2025, 02:58 PM
It's very sad when brand new paths have safety issues. They should be designed to be safer, for everyone, no matter what their driving skills are.
Sure we can say "slow down" or "drive more carefully". But those are just band aids, only necessary for not considering safety as a priority in the initial design and construction.
I wonder when a lawyer will sue the developer because they chose to build something they should have known was dangerous.
The road and path designs incorporate "traffic calming" that consists of physical design and other measures put in place on roads and paths to reduce vehicle speeds and improve safety.
The sharp turns are there to force people to slow down.
Bill14564
01-06-2025, 03:01 PM
The road and path designs incorporate "traffic calming" that consists of physical design and other measures put in place on roads and paths to reduce vehicle speeds and improve safety.
The sharp turns are there to force people to slow down.
The sharp turns that I traveled through are there to go around an electrical substation and a Wildwood (fresh?) water treatment facility.
golfing eagles
01-06-2025, 03:10 PM
If this thread is not about the MMP that runs along Marsh Bend from Everglades to near Eastport then what MMP *is* it about?
(I’ll be editing my post above to include Villages Fire Station 48)
That's exactly what it's about. However, if you went, and I quote, "Eisenhower to Brownwood to Everglades to Sawgrass to Rohan and back.", you were never on the Marsh Bend MMP. I do now note you added Fire Station 48, but that is still north of Corbin. The new section of the Marsh Bend MMP is from Corbin south to Central Parkway. Maybe on your next ride.........
Laker14
01-06-2025, 03:26 PM
Apparently, there are those that think good driving could and should be replaced by some sort of idiot proof MMP design.
The more they try to idiot proof the MMPs, the more speed people will adjust their governors for, and the faster they will drive and the more catastrophic the inevitable accidents will be.
Or put another way, you can try to idiot proof something, but we keep building better idiots.
Bill14564
01-06-2025, 03:28 PM
That's exactly what it's about. However, if you went, and I quote, "Eisenhower to Brownwood to Everglades to Sawgrass to Rohan and back.", you were never on the Marsh Bend MMP. I do now note you added Fire Station 48, but that is still north of Corbin. The new section of the Marsh Bend MMP is from Corbin south to Central Parkway. Maybe on your next ride.........
I was on an MMP, it followed Marsh Bend from Warm Springs to Central Parkway, and it was new. If that is not the new Marsh Bend golf cart trail then they need a different name for it!
The MMP that heads up to Corbin Trail is still blocked off. The other option from Central Parkway up that direction is McNeill (with Corbin as an option at the top end).
Station 48 is at the intersection of Marsh Bend and Central Parkway, far south of Corbin.
golfing eagles
01-06-2025, 03:54 PM
I was on an MMP, it followed Marsh Bend from Warm Springs to Central Parkway, and it was new. If that is not the new Marsh Bend golf cart trail then they need a different name for it!
The MMP that heads up to Corbin Trail is still blocked off. The other option from Central Parkway up that direction is McNeill (with Corbin as an option at the top end).
Station 48 is at the intersection of Marsh Bend and Central Parkway, far south of Corbin.
If you went to Central Parkway, you were on the path being discussed. The alternative prior to it opening was Corbin to McNeill and then down Bexley. Unfortunately, Villages Fire station #48 is shown on one map on Richey just off Fenney Way and a few blocks south of Warm Springs Rd, and on another exactly where you said it is. I'll go with your location since you were recently there. Now, what is it we were originally talking about????:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
Oh, yeah, the "safety" of that path
JMintzer
01-06-2025, 06:59 PM
Here are some...
No blind corners. Clear landscaping and keep road signage and walls apart from paths. For example going east on McNeill, approaching Bexley, there is a huge village name sign in the street median, completely blocking cart's view of oncoming vehicles.
Avoid 90 degree turns where a curve could be used. These are easy to spot in many places.
Widen path at sharp turns. Simple no-brainer. A turning cart requires a wider width.
Don't make paths zig zag when a straight route is available. Avoids situations were oncoming carts are driving directly towards your cart (before they would curve right), with their headlights blinding you.
Put signage far ahead of areas where a turn might be needed. For example, at many tunnels the turn area also has signage saying which way each direction heads. Takes eyes off the road. Also use larger fonts to improve readability at further distances. Place lower so headlights illuminate them.
Locate entry/exit of tunnels further away from the T where they intersect the ramps, instead of having near zero distance between tunnel and access path. Not only is this a hard turn, there is no extra space, lousy sight lines, and blind spots.
None of these examples were hard to think about.
Just because they have not put any thought about safer designs in the past does not mean they should continue to do it the same old way. Being smart with designs costs nothing.
A straight path invites people go go faster. Curves slow them down...
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