Nearly run over by passing golf cart

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Yikes golf cart drivers are stupid! We were walking on the left for on coming cart traffic on the path between Everglades and the Water Lilly bridge, and an Atomic cart was passing another cart with a 1 mph differential maybe, from behind and no beep, and nearly took out my arm. Heard a cart but never expected two abreast from behind.

“Can’t slow down for a walker in case of a stumble, ‘cause i would lose all that time/distance of trying to pass that slower cart!”

Welcome to Snowbird Season!

[ThirdOfFive]

Yikes golf cart drivers are stupid! We were walking on the left for on coming cart traffic on the path between Everglades and the Water Lilly bridge, and an Atomic cart was passing another cart with a 1 mph differential maybe, from behind and no beep, and nearly took out my arm. Heard a cart but never expected two abreast from behind.

“Can’t slow down for a walker in case of a stumble, ‘cause i would lose all that time/distance of trying to pass that slower cart!”

[b] Welcome to Snowbird Season![\b]
Maybe not. I've encountered boneheaded cart jockeys around here in July as well as in January.

[DonH57]

Yikes golf cart drivers are stupid! We were walking on the left for on coming cart traffic on the path between Everglades and the Water Lilly bridge, and an Atomic cart was passing another cart with a 1 mph differential maybe, from behind and no beep, and nearly took out my arm. Heard a cart but never expected two abreast from behind.

“Can’t slow down for a walker in case of a stumble, ‘cause i would lose all that time/distance of trying to pass that slower cart!”

[b] Welcome to Snowbird Season![\b]
Happens all over the villages MMP's. The majority running late for their tee time or had a little sauce on the way, or a combination of both. You'll observe most arriving to the starter shacks flying into the parking areas nearly running into people.

[Bill14564]

Yikes golf cart drivers are stupid! We were walking on the left for on coming cart traffic on the path between Everglades and the Water Lilly bridge, and an Atomic cart was passing another cart with a 1 mph differential maybe, from behind and no beep, and nearly took out my arm. Heard a cart but never expected two abreast from behind.

“Can’t slow down for a walker in case of a stumble, ‘cause i would lose all that time/distance of trying to pass that slower cart!”

[b] Welcome to Snowbird Season![\b]

Not all golf cart drivers are stupid but the stupid ones exist and really stand out.

I STILL haven't gotten the knack of picking out snowbirds from your average, everyday stupid person.

[Arctic Fox]

I was run off the road in June by a corner-cutting golf cart (clubs on back) while cycling on the MMP alongside El Camino Real

[CoachKandSportsguy]

I STILL haven't gotten the knack of picking out snowbirds from your average, everyday stupid person.
:rant-rave:

trying to pass another cart when the speed differential is insignificant is a sure sign.
White hair from the North, matching the snow
Asking for directions because the Villages GPS app is confusing
Driving a golf cart on an MMP like you drive a car. . . because golf courses don't have lanes like cars drive on.
talking to the cashiers like they care about us and our stories about children and grandchildren.. . .
parking in handicap spots because well, the parking lot is crowded. . .

. . . . .

my species is near the end of its existence. .
:a20:

[Hape2Bhr]

I was run off the road in June by a corner-cutting golf cart (clubs on back) while cycling on the MMP alongside El Camino Real

That must have been a Sunbird. :wine:

[Bill14564]

:rant-rave:

trying to pass another cart when the speed differential is insignificant is a sure sign.
White hair from the North, matching the snow
Asking for directions because the Villages GPS app is confusing
Driving a golf cart on an MMP like you drive a car. . . because golf courses don't have lanes like cars drive on.
talking to the cashiers like they care about us and our stories about children and grandchildren.. . .
parking in handicap spots because well, the parking lot is crowded. . .

. . . . .

my species is near the end of its existence. .
:a20:

When I see those behaviors in July is it a snowbird visiting out of season?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

When I see those behaviors in July is it a snowbird visiting out of season?

a lost migratory bird?

happens with homo dementisaurus, as well as with penguins and a few butterflies.

[New Englander]

I was run off the road in June by a corner-cutting golf cart (clubs on back) while cycling on the MMP alongside El Camino Real

The same type of situation happened to me and that's why I sold my bicycle.

[Arctic Fox]

That must have been a Sunbird. :wine:

that wasn't the exact term I shouted after him out of the hedge where I ended up :-)

[asianthree]

When I see those behaviors in July is it a snowbird visiting out of season?

And August through November. Every bank teller, waitstaff, cashier deserves a raise for having to listen that extra 10 plus minutes of that person’s life.

To the 10 people behind them, a extra bonus for patiently waiting, and not run out of the store screaming into the night.

In November a lady in front of us felt the need to give us a dissertation on her medical problems. I felt bad but a minute in, I used sign language, to startle her into reality. It worked she huffed and turned to the person in front of her. Apologies to that person.

[VApeople]

We were walking on the left for on coming cart traffic on the path between Everglades and the Water Lilly bridge, and an Atomic cart was passing another cart with a 1 mph differential maybe, from behind and no beep, and nearly took out my arm.


You were lucky to survive. I suggest you never ever never walk on a MMP because the MMPs are much too dangerous for pedestrians and bikers.

[CarlR33]

Yikes golf cart drivers are stupid! We were walking on the left for on coming cart traffic on the path between Everglades and the Water Lilly bridge, and an Atomic cart was passing another cart with a 1 mph differential maybe, from behind and no beep, and nearly took out my arm. Heard a cart but never expected two abreast from behind.

“Can’t slow down for a walker in case of a stumble, ‘cause i would lose all that time/distance of trying to pass that slower cart!”

Welcome to Snowbird Season!Well you did just get back here, right (aka snowbird), so you have to get reacclimated to everyday livin in the hood.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Quick to make assumptions, I see. Did it never occur to you that maybe they were aiming at you, and missed?

[tedquick]

a lost migratory bird?

happens with homo dementisaurus, as well as with penguins and a few butterflies.

Love the humor!

[golfing eagles]

And then there’s this beaut from earlier today. After parking their rental cart in the golf cart parking area, this rocket scientist went to his car and drove it into the cart parking area to reload his clubs, then had to make a U turn, or rather a 29 point K turn

[jimbomaybe]

a lost migratory bird?

happens with homo dementisaurus, as well as with penguins and a few butterflies.

Bird with a T

[DonH57]

And then there’s this beaut from earlier today. After parking their rental cart in the golf cart parking area, this rocket scientist went to his car and drove it into the cart parking area to reload his clubs, then had to make a U turn, or rather a 29 point K turn
LOL. Say what!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There was a guy who drove his pickup into the golf cart parking section in the Spanish Plaines strip mall last year (where there's Publix, the FedEx store, Koyame, and Subway). I was leaving Subway when he pulled in and I had to yell at him about it. He's like "well I'm handicapped." And I told him "this isn't handicap parking. It's a parking lot for golf carts and you're blocking it with your truck." He didn't like that. He was dropping something off at FedEx. So I told him to go park in the regular lot, and I'd give him a ride with his box to the golf cart lot with my golf cart, and then deliver him back to his car. Turned out he was perfectly capable of carrying the box himself from a parking space in the regular lot 50 feet away from the FedEx door.

But he was a special boi, mama's very special boi.

[fdpaq0580]

When I see those behaviors in July is it a snowbird visiting out of season?

Lifestyle visitor, surely, Shirley.

[fdpaq0580]

Quick to make assumptions, I see. Did it never occur to you that maybe they were aiming at you, and missed?

That is my assumption. That they're all out to get me.

[golfing eagles]

There was a guy who drove his pickup into the golf cart parking section in the Spanish Plaines strip mall last year (where there's Publix, the FedEx store, Koyame, and Subway). I was leaving Subway when he pulled in and I had to yell at him about it. He's like "well I'm handicapped." And I told him "this isn't handicap parking. It's a parking lot for golf carts and you're blocking it with your truck." He didn't like that. He was dropping something off at FedEx. So I told him to go park in the regular lot, and I'd give him a ride with his box to the golf cart lot with my golf cart, and then deliver him back to his car. Turned out he was perfectly capable of carrying the box himself from a parking space in the regular lot 50 feet away from the FedEx door.

But he was a special boi, mama's very special boi.

Unfortunately, it's not confined to The Villages. A few months ago at MCO a person was wheeled to the baggage claim area next to me by an attendant. When he saw his bag, he literally jumped out of his wheelchair, grabbed it and RAN to the exit faster than I could. There should be a large fine for falsely utilizing a service that others truly need, not to mention a permanent place in group 9 boarding for the rest of his life.

[Rocksnap]

Heavens to mergatroid. A cart almost ran you over on a cart path. BAN CARTS!

[Wenham]

Yikes golf cart drivers are stupid! We were walking on the left for on coming cart traffic on the path between Everglades and the Water Lilly bridge, and an Atomic cart was passing another cart with a 1 mph differential maybe, from behind and no beep, and nearly took out my arm. Heard a cart but never expected two abreast from behind.

“Can’t slow down for a walker in case of a stumble, ‘cause i would lose all that time/distance of trying to pass that slower cart!”

Welcome to Snowbird Season!How do you know it was a snowbird? I have witnessed this type of behavior during the hot months also. I just don’t understand the need to struggle around another
Cart when neither of you can go more than 20 mph, is it some type of inferiority complex? Foolishness.

[FredMitchell]

Congratulations for walking on the correct side of the path. I use that often. I estimate that only about 75% of walkers do so.

Walkers probably are not aware of how difficult that path is for driving just after the sun has come up when headed to Everglades. The sun glare is terrible. So watching out for your own safety is really important. I often see walkers who even though they are on the correct side are so focused on their cell phones that they are unaware of traffic. Are they also snowbirds and / or stupid?

Glad you were not hit. Practice personal safety, regardless of your activity.

[Black Beauty]

lots of crazy people

[USOTR]

Me thinks they forget we can call Morgan and Morgan and sue them for millions should they
run into us.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

How do you know it was a snowbird? I have witnessed this type of behavior during the hot months also. I just don’t understand the need to struggle around another
Cart when neither of you can go more than 20 mph, is it some type of inferiority complex? Foolishness.

sarcasm Sheldon, sarcasm

I just don’t understand the need to struggle around another cart when neither of you can go more than 20 mph . . .

ego Sheldon, ego

[midiwiz]

I STILL haven't gotten the knack of picking out snowbirds from your average, everyday stupid person.

Pretty easy, look for the summerwear when it's cold.

[sdeikenberry]

Yikes golf cart drivers are stupid! We were walking on the left for on coming cart traffic on the path between Everglades and the Water Lilly bridge, and an Atomic cart was passing another cart with a 1 mph differential maybe, from behind and no beep, and nearly took out my arm. Heard a cart but never expected two abreast from behind.

“Can’t slow down for a walker in case of a stumble, ‘cause i would lose all that time/distance of trying to pass that slower cart!”

Welcome to Snowbird Season!

Being respectful, I'd like a little more info from the author. What time of day was this? Was it dark? Did you have reflective/bright colored clothing on? Were you walking on the side of the path against traffic? Did you have earbuds in or could you hear oncoming traffic?
I ask all these questions because although I'm a careful driver, IMHO, I travel to courses in the early morning when it's still dark. You would not believe the number of walkers that are clothed in dark colors, no lights or reflective material, and sometimes walk with the flow of traffic instead of against it. I just cannot understand why they wouldn't make themselves visible and be aware of their surroundings. I mean, a golf cart isn't going to win against an auto, and a walker isn't going to win against a golf cart. Please be careful out there people.
Staying safe and being respectful goes both ways...

[coconutmama]

Heavens to mergatroid. A cart almost ran you over on a cart path. BAN CARTS!

Hopefully sarcasm?
Either way, too many don’t realize the M in MMP means “multi” use path.

[opinionist]

I nearly got run over by a golf cart one time.
People get distracted.
I practice defensive walking - no joke.

[donfey]

Yikes golf cart drivers are stupid! We were walking on the left for on coming cart traffic on the path between Everglades and the Water Lilly bridge, and an Atomic cart was passing another cart with a 1 mph differential maybe, from behind and no beep, and nearly took out my arm. Heard a cart but never expected two abreast from behind.

“Can’t slow down for a walker in case of a stumble, ‘cause i would lose all that time/distance of trying to pass that slower cart!”


Welcome to Snowbird Season!


Sorry for your experience. It appears that some of us are just plain stupid.

[wawriwwawriw]

Reason why I walk facing the upcoming traffic. Still, twice I found myself having to jump off the multi path because of an upcoming driver driving too closed for comfort. Once I heard the passenger yelling at the driver that he just almost ran over a pedestrian.

[Skelly]

It’s all about them!

[ThirdOfFive]

Not all golf cart drivers are stupid but the stupid ones exist and really stand out.

I STILL haven't gotten the knack of picking out snowbirds from your average, everyday stupid person.
Easy. Check the legs. White legs and tanned arms are a sure sign of "snowbird".

[Nana2Teddy]

Yikes golf cart drivers are stupid! We were walking on the left for on coming cart traffic on the path between Everglades and the Water Lilly bridge, and an Atomic cart was passing another cart with a 1 mph differential maybe, from behind and no beep, and nearly took out my arm. Heard a cart but never expected two abreast from behind.

“Can’t slow down for a walker in case of a stumble, ‘cause i would lose all that time/distance of trying to pass that slower cart!”

Welcome to Snowbird Season!

As regular cart drivers on that same path we’re amazed at how many walkers we encounter walking with traffic, not against. It’s many, and it’s stupid and dangerous.

[Fastskiguy]

I practice defensive walking - no joke.

Same. I assume either the person can't see me or is actively trying to hit me. 99%+ of villagers are awesome but gotta keep watch for that 1%.

Getting hit in the left lane by a passing cart is a new one....another thing to remember.

Oh and as said above...don't be a darkwad! I see them in the evenings...but they're not easy to pick out!

Urban Dictionary: Darkwad (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Darkwad)


Joe

[ThirdOfFive]

I was run off the road in June by a corner-cutting golf cart (clubs on back) while cycling on the MMP alongside El Camino Real
I walk that route a lot, from the vicinity of Savannah Center to the Publix off Buenos Aires. And yes...I've seen some pretty off-the-wall driving. There's an old guy on a bike whose eyes are glued to his cell phone mounted on his handlebars: I give him a lot of room as he doesn't seem to be watching for walkers. Also, there's a guy with a blind cane attached to the back of his cart who drives about 5 mph...haven't seen him in awhile.

[BlueStarAirlines]

The secret as a walker is to walk against traffic and carry a 3 iron. I've noticed cart drivers give a little more space than usual.....

[CybrSage]

Not all golf cart drivers are stupid but the stupid ones exist and really stand out.

I STILL haven't gotten the knack of picking out snowbirds from your average, everyday stupid person.

It is easy, the whiners who think they do not wrong and everything is the fault of someone else are the frogs.

[CybrSage]

The secret as a walker is to walk against traffic and carry a 3 iron. I've noticed cart drivers give a little more space than usual.....

:). I did laugh. I pictured an old man shaking a tire iron and shouting at clouds.

[DonH57]

I walk that route a lot, from the vicinity of Savannah Center to the Publix off Buenos Aires. And yes...I've seen some pretty off-the-wall driving. There's an old guy on a bike whose eyes are glued to his cell phone mounted on his handlebars: I give him a lot of room as he doesn't seem to be watching for walkers. Also, there's a guy with a blind cane attached to the back of his cart who drives about 5 mph...haven't seen him in awhile.

Have you noticed recently a golf cart had hit the side rail and the two small trees near the entrance to the tunnel by Freedom Point? They are lucky they didn't wipe out enough fencing to go over the side and down.

[CybrSage]

Me thinks they forget we can call Morgan and Morgan and sue them for millions should they
run into us.

One cannot get blood from turnip.
One cannot get millions from a thousandaire.

[CybrSage]

Quick to make assumptions, I see. Did it never occur to you that maybe they were aiming at you, and missed?

I agree, the cart was trying to draft the one in front, like they do in NASCAR, to get that sudden extra 1mph to get the points for hitting a pedestrian. Heard they are worth 10 points!

[Chucker]

Why play chicken with a golf cart. Walk on the oncoming side to see the carts coming, take one step to the left onto the grass. After the cart passes by step back on the path. Simple as that.

[Bill14564]

Why play chicken with a golf cart. Walk on the oncoming side to see the carts coming, take one step to the left onto the grass. After the cart passes by step back on the path. Simple as that.

Did you not read the original post?

[Topgun 1776]

You were lucky to survive. I suggest you never ever never walk on a MMP because the MMPs are much too dangerous for pedestrians and bikers.

Hmmmm....maybe we've found the culprit!

[fdpaq0580]

Hmmmm....maybe we've found the culprit!

Somebody get a rope! 😡😠🤬

[fdpaq0580]

Why play chicken with a golf cart. Walk on the oncoming side to see the carts coming, take one step to the left onto the grass. After the cart passes by step back on the path. Simple as that.

Not always as simple as you make it sound. Depends alot on landscaping.
Anyway, why can't cart drivers accept some responsibility for creating a danger to walkers, bikers and others? What makes cart drivers feel they have the right to shove others off to the side onto wet grass or mud. Seems rude to me. Cart driver can wait in their nice, comfy seat until safe to pass. Curtesy goes both ways, you know.

[jimjamuser]

Yikes golf cart drivers are stupid! We were walking on the left for on coming cart traffic on the path between Everglades and the Water Lilly bridge, and an Atomic cart was passing another cart with a 1 mph differential maybe, from behind and no beep, and nearly took out my arm. Heard a cart but never expected two abreast from behind.

“Can’t slow down for a walker in case of a stumble, ‘cause i would lose all that time/distance of trying to pass that slower cart!”

Welcome to Snowbird Season!
Yes, that was unexpected and I would walk like you did facing oncoming traffic. But now considering the unexpected danger, if i were you, I would buy one of those mirrors that attach to glasses or sun glasses which allow you to see behind you. The extra insurance against getting hit would be worth the price of the mirror attachment and the time involved getting used to it.
.....Think of it as a warning because another driver might be passing and lose control and take out more than just an arm.
........Also, this incident brings up the question of whether it would be safer if ALL golf carts had the SAME top speed. It could be 20 or 25 MPH. Because when there are carts with a multiple of TOP SPEEDS, then you assure a situation where PASSING is unavoidable. And your NEAR miss shines a spotlight on the problem.

[jimjamuser]

Happens all over the villages MMP's. The majority running late for their tee time or had a little sauce on the way, or a combination of both. You'll observe most arriving to the starter shacks flying into the parking areas nearly running into people.
maybe GOLFING should be outlawed in The Village. Or more Police stops for drunkenness.

[jimjamuser]

The same type of situation happened to me and that's why I sold my bicycle.
Maybe some company will make a 3 wheel bicycle that has air bags for bumpers all around.

[fdpaq0580]

Yes, that was unexpected and I would walk like you did facing oncoming traffic. But now considering the unexpected danger, if i were you, I would buy one of those mirrors that attach to glasses or sun glasses which allow you to see behind you. The extra insurance against getting hit would be worth the price of the mirror attachment and the time involved getting used to it.
.....Think of it as a warning because another driver might be passing and lose control and take out more than just an arm.
........Also, this incident brings up the question of whether it would be safer if ALL golf carts had the SAME top speed. It could be 20 or 25 MPH. Because when there are carts with a multiple of TOP SPEEDS, then you assure a situation where PASSING is unavoidable. And your NEAR miss shines a spotlight on the problem.

All "golf carts" already are not supposed to go over 20. But many of our good, law abiding and honest citizens don't want to believe or adhere to this. They all have their excuses.

[Wenham]

Yes, that was unexpected and I would walk like you did facing oncoming traffic. But now considering the unexpected danger, if i were you, I would buy one of those mirrors that attach to glasses or sun glasses which allow you to see behind you. The extra insurance against getting hit would be worth the price of the mirror attachment and the time involved getting used to it.
.....Think of it as a warning because another driver might be passing and lose control and take out more than just an arm.
........Also, this incident brings up the question of whether it would be safer if ALL golf carts had the SAME top speed. It could be 20 or 25 MPH. Because when there are carts with a multiple of TOP SPEEDS, then you assure a situation where PASSING is unavoidable. And your NEAR miss shines a spotlight on the problem.
There aren’t enough Cart Police to monitor 150,000 golf carts

[Vickim]

The same type of situation happened to me and that's why I sold my bicycle.

Same happened to my husband but the guy didn’t like the fact he cut the gap on the security arm and slammed on his brake for my husband to rear end him. Jerks are everywhere . He was in a El Camino . Needles to say you do take your life in your own hands around here some shouldn’t be driving a tricycle never mind a vehicle with a motor. I had a near encounter with a GC as I stepped off the curb at a traffic signal at o dark thirty cart had NO lights on. I now walk the golf course after dark much safer I’ll take my chances with the alligators anyday.

[jimjamuser]

Heavens to mergatroid. A cart almost ran you over on a cart path. BAN CARTS!
Actually this is a very fine topic because it presents a typical Villages problem and some people can suggest ways to mitigate that problem. For example, they could build wider passing lanes for the Golf Carts every mile or two. The walkers could wear mirrors to see traffic behind them. The golf carts could all be required to have the same top speed to discourage passing. There could be cameras and any cart driver endangering a walker or a cyclist could get a ticket - if license plate numbers were required. And there have been other ideas and suggestions.
.......I think that it is pathetic that ANY bicyclist would have to sell their bike because Golf Cart drivers are dangerous and obnoxious. When it comes to being environmentally friendly, a bicycle is using no gasoline and giving off zero pollution. i believe that gas (not electric) golf carts pollute more than automobiles and trucks. So, in my opinion, bicyclists and walkers DESERVE their OWN trails more than golf carts, which are made to drive on golf courses and are NOT made for personal STREET transportation. They have too high of a center of gravity and weak brakes and shock absorbers. They are just not made for the street. Today there is an article about one golf cart knocking another golf cart over on its side and hospitalizing the driver. I would imagine that the high center of gravity and weak brakes of one or both of those carts played a role in that accident. And I know of a nurse in The Villages that speaks about the GREAT number of head injuries that occur from golf cart accidents (and not on the golf course where they belong).

[GoldenBoy]

There aren’t enough Cart Police to monitor 150,000 golf carts

Or, go to the Market of Marion, buy a used 2 iron and wave it at golf cart traffic that gets too close.

[jimjamuser]

How do you know it was a snowbird? I have witnessed this type of behavior during the hot months also. I just don’t understand the need to struggle around another
Cart when neither of you can go more than 20 mph, is it some type of inferiority complex? Foolishness.
The problem is that SOME can go WAY more than 20 MPH. Some have their top speed limiter CRANKED way up to 35 or even 40 MPH. Apparently there is about ZERO police enforcement of cart top speeds. Yet, today there is another case of a cart hitting another cart and a serious injury to one driver.

[jimjamuser]

I nearly got run over by a golf cart one time.
People get distracted.
I practice defensive walking - no joke.
Defensive walking? Does that consist of wearing a foam type water life preserver around your waist like a car bumper and a helmet?

[jimjamuser]

There aren’t enough Cart Police to monitor 150,000 golf carts
That's the point of TRAFFIC TICKETS. Ticket a few and the word spreads around and then everyone of the 150,000 will voluntarily change their illegal governor speed back to 20 MPH. The same principle as people knowing that they would go to jail for a LONG time for murdering someone.

[golfing eagles]

The problem is that SOME can go WAY more than 20 MPH. Some have their top speed limiter CRANKED way up to 35 or even 40 MPH. Apparently there is about ZERO police enforcement of cart top speeds. Yet, today there is another case of a cart hitting another cart and a serious injury to one driver.

I'd love to see a radar gun reading of a cart going 40. I've lived here and driven a golf cart for 11 years and maybe twice, MAYBE, I encountered one that appeared to be going about 30 based on speed differential. I can't imagine 40, ever. Yet it is one of your favorite repeat posts. Any proof, WHATSOEVER, of a cart going 40?

[Dotneko]

I'd love to see a radar gun reading of a cart going 40. I've lived here and driven a golf cart for 11 years and maybe twice, MAYBE, I encountered one that appeared to be going about 30 based on speed differential. I can't imagine 40, ever. Yet it is one of your favorite repeat posts. Any proof, WHATSOEVER, of a cart going 40?

Its a fishing story. In another year, his imaginary carts will be doing 50 or 60.

[fdpaq0580]

There aren’t enough Cart Police to monitor 150,000 golf carts

If people were honest, considerate and respectful, wouldn't need any. But, .... they aren't, are they.

[fdpaq0580]

I'd love to see a radar gun reading of a cart going 40. I've lived here and driven a golf cart for 11 years and maybe twice, MAYBE, I encountered one that appeared to be going about 30 based on speed differential. I can't imagine 40, ever. Yet it is one of your favorite repeat posts. Any proof, WHATSOEVER, of a cart going 40?

No radar gun, but driving on Hendry through Collier, the speed limit is 30. I was doing 30, per car speedo and a gc went by me pretty quick. Given that auto speed is usually 1 or 2 below reading, that cart was likely going over 30.

[Wenham]

That's the point of TRAFFIC TICKETS. Ticket a few and the word spreads around and then everyone of the 150,000 will voluntarily change their illegal governor speed back to 20 MPH. The same principle as people knowing that they would go to jail for a LONG time for murdering someone.You don’t really think that would happen do you?

[JMintzer]

Not all golf cart drivers are stupid but the stupid ones exist and really stand out.

I STILL haven't gotten the knack of picking out snowbirds from your average, everyday stupid person.

Some people must have a "sixth sense"...

Either that or they just hate "Snow Birds" and blame them for everything...

[JMintzer]

:rant-rave:

trying to pass another cart when the speed differential is insignificant is a sure sign.
White hair from the North, matching the snow
Asking for directions because the Villages GPS app is confusing
Driving a golf cart on an MMP like you drive a car. . . because golf courses don't have lanes like cars drive on.
talking to the cashiers like they care about us and our stories about children and grandchildren.. . .
parking in handicap spots because well, the parking lot is crowded. . .

. . . . .

my species is near the end of its existence. .
:a20:

I see all of that in the Spring, Summer and Fall as well...

[JMintzer]

Easy. Check the legs. White legs and tanned arms are a sure sign of "snowbird".

Nonsense...

[JMintzer]

It is easy, the whiners who think they do not wrong and everything is the fault of someone else are the frogs.

Hmmm... I think you might be on to something...

[JMintzer]

Did you not read the original post?

Did the original post mention "stepping into the grass" to avoid gettin hit, or did you not read it?

[JMintzer]

Not always as simple as you make it sound. Depends alot on landscaping.
Anyway, why can't cart drivers accept some responsibility for creating a danger to walkers, bikers and others? What makes cart drivers feel they have the right to shove others off to the side onto wet grass or mud. Seems rude to me. Cart driver can wait in their nice, comfy seat until safe to pass. Curtesy goes both ways, you know.

The vast majority do exactly as you've described...

Unfortunately, there are jerk golf cart drivers and jerk pedestrians that some posters feel the need to harp about...

[Bill14564]

Yikes golf cart drivers are stupid! We were walking on the left for on coming cart traffic on the path between Everglades and the Water Lilly bridge, and an Atomic cart was passing another cart with a 1 mph differential maybe, from behind and no beep, and nearly took out my arm. Heard a cart but never expected two abreast from behind.
...

Why play chicken with a golf cart. Walk on the oncoming side to see the carts coming, take one step to the left onto the grass. After the cart passes by step back on the path. Simple as that.

Did the original post mention "stepping into the grass" to avoid gettin hit, or did you not read it?

Actually read it fairly carefully.

[JMintzer]

Yes, that was unexpected and I would walk like you did facing oncoming traffic. But now considering the unexpected danger, if i were you, I would buy one of those mirrors that attach to glasses or sun glasses which allow you to see behind you. The extra insurance against getting hit would be worth the price of the mirror attachment and the time involved getting used to it.
.....Think of it as a warning because another driver might be passing and lose control and take out more than just an arm.
........Also, this incident brings up the question of whether it would be safer if ALL golf carts had the SAME top speed. It could be 20 or 25 MPH. Because when there are carts with a multiple of TOP SPEEDS, then you assure a situation where PASSING is unavoidable. And your NEAR miss shines a spotlight on the problem.

Since when does "top speed" = "driving speed"?

My car's top speed is something like 140 mph. I've never gone faster than 85 in it...

If you have someone whose golf cart is limited to 20-25 mph, and they are poking along at 10 mph, someone is going to want to pass them...

And yes, we should all walk around with mirrors surrounding our heads... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[LonnyP]

Well, since you didn't chat with them you do not know if they are snowbirds. And, welcome to the Villages where many drive like morons, and they are not necessarily snowbirds. I am sure we could all tell about close calls from stupid choices.

[JMintzer]

Maybe some company will make a 3 wheel bicycle that has air bags for bumpers all around.

Maybe this would help...

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjAzMzI4ODI3MF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwMzAwODM3._V1_. jpg

[JMintzer]

Actually this is a very fine topic because it presents a typical Villages problem and some people can suggest ways to mitigate that problem. For example, they could build wider passing lanes for the Golf Carts every mile or two. The walkers could wear mirrors to see traffic behind them. The golf carts could all be required to have the same top speed to discourage passing. There could be cameras and any cart driver endangering a walker or a cyclist could get a ticket - if license plate numbers were required. And there have been other ideas and suggestions.
.......I think that it is pathetic that ANY bicyclist would have to sell their bike because Golf Cart drivers are dangerous and obnoxious. When it comes to being environmentally friendly, a bicycle is using no gasoline and giving off zero pollution. i believe that gas (not electric) golf carts pollute more than automobiles and trucks. So, in my opinion, bicyclists and walkers DESERVE their OWN trails more than golf carts, which are made to drive on golf courses and are NOT made for personal STREET transportation. They have too high of a center of gravity and weak brakes and shock absorbers. They are just not made for the street. Today there is an article about one golf cart knocking another golf cart over on its side and hospitalizing the driver. I would imagine that the high center of gravity and weak brakes of one or both of those carts played a role in that accident. And I know of a nurse in The Villages that speaks about the GREAT number of head injuries that occur from golf cart accidents (and not on the golf course where they belong).

Different day, same nonsense...

Rear view mirrors to walk? Is that your new talking point?

Aren't you supposed to be walking on the LEFT, FACING TRAFFIC?

How is a rear view mirror, clipped to your sunglasses, going to help with a cart coming directly at you?

[JMintzer]

The problem is that SOME can go WAY more than 20 MPH. Some have their top speed limiter CRANKED way up to 35 or even 40 MPH. Apparently there is about ZERO police enforcement of cart top speeds. Yet, today there is another case of a cart hitting another cart and a serious injury to one driver.

My cart goes 21-22 mph, downhill, with a tail wind (I've never touched the governor...)

I can categorically state that I've NEVER been passed by anyone going more than 2-3 mph faster than I'm going...

35-40 mph? No way...

[JMintzer]

I'd love to see a radar gun reading of a cart going 40. I've lived here and driven a golf cart for 11 years and maybe twice, MAYBE, I encountered one that appeared to be going about 30 based on speed differential. I can't imagine 40, ever. Yet it is one of your favorite repeat posts. Any proof, WHATSOEVER, of a cart going 40?

Its a fishing story. In another year, his imaginary carts will be doing 50 or 60.

Yup, they keep getting faster and faster... It's a mystery, I tell ya'!

[JMintzer]

Actually read it fairly carefully.

Yet you thought it mentioned "stepping into the grass (it didn't...)

The 2nd post you quoted was much later in the thread.

But nice try... You failed, but at least you tried...

[WingedFoot78]

I have never seen anyone pulled over by the police in the eight years until the other day on Morse near LSL.

[Bill14564]

Yet you thought it mentioned "stepping into the grass (it didn't...)

The 2nd post you quoted was much later in the thread.

But nice try... You failed, but at least you tried...

?? Try harder.

My response that you took exception to was made to the 2nd post I quoted. Yes, it was much farther down in the thread and was apparently written without having read the original post first.

I couldn’t care less about stepping into the grass, that was completely irrelevant (you might note that I avoided highlighting that section). The post I responded to (the response you took exception to) assumed that the OP needs to be told to walk facing oncoming traffic. Great advice but the original post clearly stated the OP *was* walking facing oncoming traffic. The poster would have known that if he had read the original post.

Does that make it easier for you to understand?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

?? Try harder.

My response that you took exception to was made to the 2nd post I quoted. Yes, it was much farther down in the thread and was apparently written without having read the original post first.

I couldn’t care less about stepping into the grass, that was completely irrelevant (you might note that I avoided highlighting that section). The post I responded to (the response you took exception to) assumed that the OP needs to be told to walk facing oncoming traffic. Great advice but the original post clearly stated the OP *was* walking facing oncoming traffic. The poster would have known that if he had read the original post.

Does that make it easier for you to understand?

Some people find it really inconvenient to follow along and consider context. They'd rather just interject snide remarks and "gotchas" so as to shut down conversation entirely. And some folks aren't forum-savvy enough to understand how multi-quotes work (some folks don't know how ANY quotes work, which is evident by the myriad of broken quotes throughout this forum).

I got it, in any case. I saw the reference to the "take just one step to the left onto the grass" thing in Chucker's post, that you responded to.

[DrHitch]

To the OP situation, walking on the left to oncoming vehicular traffic is PROPER on streets. However, walking on the right is "better" on MMPs, even if TWO carts are on your left. But, that's my own safe opinion.

[golfing eagles]

To the OP situation, walking on the left to oncoming vehicular traffic is PROPER on streets. However, walking on the right is "better" on MMPs, even if TWO carts are on your left. But, that's my own safe opinion.

Maybe I can interject this food for thought into your "safe opinion": What do you think a pedestrian is more likely to be aware of----a golf cart headed straight at them when properly walking facing traffic, or an electric cart headed at them from behind? Just interested in your "safety".

[jimdecastro]

Yikes golf cart drivers are stupid! We were walking on the left for on coming cart traffic on the path between Everglades and the Water Lilly bridge, and an Atomic cart was passing another cart with a 1 mph differential maybe, from behind and no beep, and nearly took out my arm. Heard a cart but never expected two abreast from behind.

“Can’t slow down for a walker in case of a stumble, ‘cause i would lose all that time/distance of trying to pass that slower cart!”

Welcome to Snowbird Season!

The VHA has a Golf Safety class every third Wednesday at 9AM at Colony Cottage (no fee, no reservation - just a Villages ID). Unfortunately, that driver doesn't know or care about this incident so this is for others - not him or her.

PLEASE STOP BASHING SNOWBIRDS! (I am here year-round. BTW)

[Rocksnap]

Perhaps it would be safer for you to walk in the street, with cars. Where no golf carts are allowed.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I'd love to see a radar gun reading of a cart going 40. I've lived here and driven a golf cart for 11 years and maybe twice, MAYBE, I encountered one that appeared to be going about 30 based on speed differential. I can't imagine 40, ever. Yet it is one of your favorite repeat posts. Any proof, WHATSOEVER, of a cart going 40?
My cart will do 50
I never do it, but it's capable.

[golfing eagles]

My cart will do 50
I never do it, but it's capable.

Uh huh. Before or after you replaced it with an Indy car engine?

[Bill14564]

My cart will do 50
I never do it, but it's capable.

In 2025 we hear of a 50mph cart. It's early in the year leaving plenty of time for someone to claim a 60mph cart before the next ball drops on Times Square.

(I need to search my old posts and create a chronology of ever-increasing golf cart speeds)

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

In 2025 we hear of a 50mph cart. It's early in the year leaving plenty of time for someone to claim a 60mph cart before the next ball drops on Times Square.

(I need to search my old posts and create a chronology of ever-increasing golf cart speeds)
#TalladegaNights Jean Girard #Perrier Golf Cart - YouTube (https://youtube.com/shorts/BvxEwmq4ZcA?si=K-NopimAvNe-_odo)

Done

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

It's my contention that speed is not the issue,
It's the Blue Hair on our heads that causes problems

[ThirdOfFive]

In 2025 we hear of a 50mph cart. It's early in the year leaving plenty of time for someone to claim a 60mph cart before the next ball drops on Times Square.

(I need to search my old posts and create a chronology of ever-increasing golf cart speeds)
Heard of a guy who took a cart and modified it into a helicopter. That doesn't mean that there is going to be a flood of people turning their carts into helicopters.

[ThirdOfFive]

In the spirit of "it is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness":, be aware that there is a public meeting scheduled for Tuesday Jan. 21, 2025, 2:00 PM at Savannah Center, the purpose of which is to discuss ways that the MMPs can be made safer.

A couple of minutes there giving public input might be far more useful and constructive than the endless bellyaching we see in these discussions.

[avpoche]

The fault is not necessarily Snowbirds....but the fact that there are MORE carts on the paths; everyone is in a hurry to be first. I bike daily and always announce when passing a pedestrian who is walking with traffic. Many use ear pods or headphones and don't hear me, so it is essential to ride cautiously around them. Sometimes I listen to books while biking, and use just one ear pod or make sure transparent setting is engaged in order to hear golf carts as they whiz by. Remember that there is a law for motorized vehicles to give at least 3 feet clearance to a non-motorized bicycle or pedestrian and should pass only when safe. On El Camino Real, I once saw a golf cart almost flatten a guy walking towards traffic as it was passing me on my bike. The pedestrian screamed bloody murder and the golf cart driver did actually make a U turn to... perhaps apologize? Don't see much evidence of regret in golf cart drivers very often, so I thought it was worth mentioning.

[Marathon Man]

Heavens to mergatroid. A cart almost ran you over on a cart path. BAN CARTS!

You should take some time and learn a little about our community. Those are multi-modal paths (MMP), not cart paths.

[Bilyclub]

Please tell the uniformed drivers that those reddish/brown pavers in the street at the squares are pedestrian crosswalks. Likewise tell the pedestrians at the squares that you just can’t walk out from in between the parked vehicles into the street without looking for approaching vehicles. That is all.

[golfing eagles]

The fault is not necessarily Snowbirds....but the fact that there are MORE carts on the paths; everyone is in a hurry to be first. I bike daily and always announce when passing a pedestrian who is walking with traffic. Many use ear pods or headphones and don't hear me, so it is essential to ride cautiously around them. Sometimes I listen to books while biking, and use just one ear pod or make sure transparent setting is engaged in order to hear golf carts as they whiz by. Remember that there is a law for motorized vehicles to give at least 3 feet clearance to a non-motorized bicycle or pedestrian and should pass only when safe. On El Camino Real, I once saw a golf cart almost flatten a guy walking towards traffic as it was passing me on my bike. The pedestrian screamed bloody murder and the golf cart driver did actually make a U turn to... perhaps apologize? Don't see much evidence of regret in golf cart drivers very often, so I thought it was worth mentioning.

I don't see much evidence of regret in cyclists when they blow through stop and yield signs or go around an entrance gate at full speed, or is regret an emotion that should only apply to cart drivers?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

#TalladegaNights Jean Girard #Perrier Golf Cart - YouTube (https://youtube.com/shorts/BvxEwmq4ZcA?si=K-NopimAvNe-_odo)

Done

1. That isn't legal on any public road anywhere in the country.
2. It's under production, which means it's not yet available.
3. You can't possibly have one, because of #2
4. If you get one, and you're seen using it on a public road, you'll have to accept the consequences of violating #1.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I don't see much evidence of regret in cyclists when they blow through stop and yield signs or go around an entrance gate at full speed, or is regret an emotion that should only apply to cart drivers?

I blow through stop signs at full speed on my bike when all these conditions are met:

1. I'm in the process of going uphill OR
1a. The other side of the intersection is the beginning of an incline.

2. There is no one else coming on any side of the intersection.

I also do the following, when there is traffic at a 4-way intersection:

I wait until ALL cars have passed before riding through. If someone tries to wave me on, I get off my bicycle completely and look away from whoever tried to do that.

Reason for that: YOU might want to wave me on, but the person who was at the other side of the intersection before YOU got there, might not. I don't care who has the right of way. To me - the person who can kill me easiest has the right of way.

[golfing eagles]

I blow through stop signs at full speed on my bike when all these conditions are met:

1. I'm in the process of going uphill OR
1a. The other side of the intersection is the beginning of an incline.

2. There is no one else coming on any side of the intersection.

I also do the following, when there is traffic at a 4-way intersection:

I wait until ALL cars have passed before riding through. If someone tries to wave me on, I get off my bicycle completely and look away from whoever tried to do that.

Reason for that: YOU might want to wave me on, but the person who was at the other side of the intersection before YOU got there, might not. I don't care who has the right of way. To me - the person who can kill me easiest has the right of way.

But do you regret it? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I fully understand. More than half the stop signs in TV should be yield signs, especially where the ramp from a tunnel merges with the main MMP, or even a road crossing with clear visibility. So yes, I tend to roll through those as well. My only objection is to those "holier than thou" cyclists who can cite every little rule pertaining to cars and carts, but blatantly violate every rule that pertains to cyclists.

[Chellybean]

After speaking to Pat Breedan, Adam Dodge and Bob Seimer of the Sumter County police department, they realize there are problems with Over medicated, drunken drivers and just careless morons. I get the same answer, the Sumter County police is under staffed and not enough resources.
Captain Siemer and Sqt. Dodge are avid riders in the villages also.
I have seen presents of police golf cart north of 466 on the multiuse path once by Sqt. Dodge 4 months ago, but never seen them south of 466. I was also told that due to the multiuse path being on Villages private property that their authority is limited unless there is an accident or drunken or impaired driver. Folks have your head on a swivel my husband has been hit twice in the last 5 years!
Stay Safe

[justjim]

Our son, who is a runner, has told me more than once that TV is the most dangerous place he has run in. South of 44 could be a bit better for walkers and runners but we live north of 44.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

But do you regret it? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I fully understand. More than half the stop signs in TV should be yield signs, especially where the ramp from a tunnel merges with the main MMP, or even a road crossing with clear visibility. So yes, I tend to roll through those as well. My only objection is to those "holier than thou" cyclists who can cite every little rule pertaining to cars and carts, but blatantly violate every rule that pertains to cyclists.

I violate the laws of driving too. I tend to drive too fast. I'm not a hypocrite. So I get your point totally. The tunnels merging with the main MMPs can be a nightmare even with stop signs. The one that goes to Mallory off Morse at Odell is terrifying. I think it should be a 3-way stop sign instead of just one stop sign coming out of the tunnel.

But if I was on a bicycle and saw no one to my left, I'd still likely take a right without stopping out of the tunnel because - that next leg is all uphill and it's either ride through, or get off and walk it up the hill. I'm sure there isn't a single golf cart driver who would happily tolerate THAT if they were stuck behind me.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1. That isn't legal on any public road anywhere in the country.
2. It's under production, which means it's not yet available.
3. You can't possibly have one, because of #2
4. If you get one, and you're seen using it on a public road, you'll have to accept the consequences of violating #1.
what makes yours legal and mine not?

[kendi]

Yikes golf cart drivers are stupid! We were walking on the left for on coming cart traffic on the path between Everglades and the Water Lilly bridge, and an Atomic cart was passing another cart with a 1 mph differential maybe, from behind and no beep, and nearly took out my arm. Heard a cart but never expected two abreast from behind.

“Can’t slow down for a walker in case of a stumble, ‘cause i would lose all that time/distance of trying to pass that slower cart!”

Welcome to Snowbird Season!

“Golf cart drivers are stupid!” That exaggeration makes the rest of your comment seem to be an exaggeration as well.

[asianthree]

My cart will do 50
I never do it, but it's capable.

Your post of 11/24 you posted speed 25mph with:eclipsee_gold_cup:

Your post of 12/24 you complained Quietechs slow on acceleration “I get frustrated driving one as I am used to the cart getting out of its own way”

So your quietech is currently geared to speeds of 50? Or did you dump the Q, and buy a smart car to use on mmp?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Your post of 11/24 you posted speed 25mph with:eclipsee_gold_cup:

Your post of 12/24 you complained Quietechs slow on acceleration “I get frustrated driving one as I am used to the cart getting out of its own way”

So your quietech is currently geared to speeds of 50? Or did you dump the Q, and buy a smart car to use on mmp?
Nice research
I have four carts all American made
the 50mph cart is just a funnin around cart I drive occasionally

[Topspinmo]

?? Try harder.

My response that you took exception to was made to the 2nd post I quoted. Yes, it was much farther down in the thread and was apparently written without having read the original post first.

I couldn’t care less about stepping into the grass, that was completely irrelevant (you might note that I avoided highlighting that section). The post I responded to (the response you took exception to) assumed that the OP needs to be told to walk facing oncoming traffic. Great advice but the original post clearly stated the OP *was* walking facing oncoming traffic. The poster would have known that if he had read the original post.

Does that make it easier for you to understand?


Well, it was good advice “just step off in grass” but in the op case they was on bridge or close to entry where that wasn’t option. The cart should NOT be passing on bridge or on approach to bridge where it’s narrowed or dangerous due to limited visibility.

IMO that was point of OP post and the added “just step off path” was unrelated good advice cause majority of walkers walk HOGGING path or diamond lanes putting themselves in potential danger from sun glare, a pillar blind spot and dozen other issues. The rule states walk facing traffic on edge of street/road. MMP is a road diamond lanes are roads. But I this case the op was doing everything right and golf cart driver was WRONG.

[Bill14564]

[QUOTE=Topspinmo;2399192]Well, it was good advice “just step off in grass” but in the op case they was on bridge or close to entry where that wasn’t option. The cart should NOT be passing on bridge or on approach to bridge where it’s narrowed or dangerous due to limited visibility.

.../QUOTE]

The OP stated they were between Everglades and the Water Lilly bridge. That is two miles of path; it does have a bridge but the OP never stated they were anywhere near that bridge.

The OP could not "just step off in the grass" because the OP never saw the cart coming because the OP was walking facing traffic while the cart was approaching him from behind. The OP never expected a cart approaching from behind him to enter the lane adjacent to him and get that close to him.

Had the cart been in its own lane and approaching the OP from the other direction then he would have seen it and perhaps he would have "just stepped off into the grass." He never had that chance, he never saw the cart, it approached from behind him.

[golfing eagles]

I violate the laws of driving too. I tend to drive too fast. I'm not a hypocrite. So I get your point totally. The tunnels merging with the main MMPs can be a nightmare even with stop signs. The one that goes to Mallory off Morse at Odell is terrifying. I think it should be a 3-way stop sign instead of just one stop sign coming out of the tunnel.

But if I was on a bicycle and saw no one to my left, I'd still likely take a right without stopping out of the tunnel because - that next leg is all uphill and it's either ride through, or get off and walk it up the hill. I'm sure there isn't a single golf cart driver who would happily tolerate THAT if they were stuck behind me.

Do you mean the tunnel under Morse that is right by the Virginia starter shack and intersects the MMP just north of Odell and west of the clubhouse? If so, I drive that frequently and don't see any issues with it at all.

[jimjamuser]

I'd love to see a radar gun reading of a cart going 40. I've lived here and driven a golf cart for 11 years and maybe twice, MAYBE, I encountered one that appeared to be going about 30 based on speed differential. I can't imagine 40, ever. Yet it is one of your favorite repeat posts. Any proof, WHATSOEVER, of a cart going 40?
The street where I live is "SPEEDERS HEAVEN". The street sign says 20 MPH, but about 50% of cars and trucks exceed that. And about 40% of the Golf Carts (the drivers must have delusions of race car grandeur) go by at speeds over 30 MPH.
........Note: Since I am often in my front yard I can hear WHICH GOLF CARTS are speeding by how loudly their engines are straining. Also , I notice older Golf Carts leave the SMELL of unburned gasoline behind them - especially the ones going over 20 MPH. Also I " pity the fool" that buys a USED golf cart that had its speed jacked up because the engine will likely be ruined.

[jimjamuser]

Why play chicken with a golf cart. Walk on the oncoming side to see the carts coming, take one step to the left onto the grass. After the cart passes by step back on the path. Simple as that.
You need a mirror on your glasses to see a golf cart passing another golf cart so that you have time to step onto the grass when you are walking facing traffic.

[Number 10 GI]

When did you get your eyes and ears calibrated to judge speed? Where did you get this certification?

[ThirdOfFive]

I don't see much evidence of regret in cyclists when they blow through stop and yield signs or go around an entrance gate at full speed, or is regret an emotion that should only apply to cart drivers?
You forget: bicyclists are...special...

[Arctic Fox]

Yikes golf cart drivers are stupid! We were walking on the left...

I think I need to stay indoors to stay alive!

I was out running this morning along a residential street, on the left, facing oncoming traffic, when a lady in a golf cart maintained her speed and position along the edge of the road, forcing me to jump into a neighbor's garden.

I guess she had forgotten she had a steering wheel.

A cyclist going the other way made some amusing comment about the driver, so maybe she has seen it all before, too.

[Topspinmo]

I think I need to stay indoors to stay alive!

I was out running this morning along a residential street, on the left, facing oncoming traffic, when a lady in a golf cart maintained her speed and position along the edge of the road, forcing me to jump into a neighbor's garden.

I guess she had forgotten she had a steering wheel.

A cyclist going the other way made some amusing comment about the driver, so maybe she has seen it all before, too.


Some will not get over no matter what’s ahead. Good example couple years ago company was taking tree out, had cones out and person stopping traffic due to pull rope across one lane. Somebody ignored all that and ran into rope flipping golf cart.

Then there sun flare angle of view that blocks out. Early morning and late evening when sun low especially bad. done good getting out of harms way. I don’t hesitate to get off MMP or diamond lane even if I have to climb tree, dive in bush, or climb fence. In the OP case unless he was walking side by side (which don’t seem to be case) he was blind sided from rear by some passing on narrow stretch of road.

[Topspinmo]

[QUOTE=Topspinmo;2399192]Well, it was good advice “just step off in grass” but in the op case they was on bridge or close to entry where that wasn’t option. The cart should NOT be passing on bridge or on approach to bridge where it’s narrowed or dangerous due to limited visibility.

.../QUOTE]

The OP stated they were between Everglades and the Water Lilly bridge. That is two miles of path; it does have a bridge but the OP never stated they were anywhere near that bridge.

The OP could not "just step off in the grass" because the OP never saw the cart coming because the OP was walking facing traffic while the cart was approaching him from behind. The OP never expected a cart approaching from behind him to enter the lane adjacent to him and get that close to him.

Had the cart been in its own lane and approaching the OP from the other direction then he would have seen it and perhaps he would have "just stepped off into the grass." He never had that chance, he never saw the cart, it approached from behind him.

Not familiar with that area I have no need to be down there. Wether it was on bridge, close to bridge, or far far away from bridge it narrow section. Which golf cart driver should have not been passing that was point of OP post, he was doing everything right, walking facing traffic, walking on left edge of road. Far cry from most out walking two or more abreast with traffic approaching hogging road, path, sidewalk ect… putting themselves in harms way, then whining about golf cart driver and bicycles.

[Topspinmo]

You forget: bicyclists are...special...

Speaking of, got passed this morning on MMP by electric bicyclists going at least 28 maybe more? How do I know this I was going 22 and he flew past me. Course he had his legs in slow motion like he was peddling. I’ll give him credit he did slow down before ran stop sign to maybe 15 cause of vision problem.

[Topspinmo]

“Golf cart drivers are stupid!” That exaggeration makes the rest of your comment seem to be an exaggeration as well.

Agree should have said some:thumbup: but in any circumstance some are always looking for Darwin Award.

[golfing eagles]

The street where I live is "SPEEDERS HEAVEN". The street sign says 20 MPH, but about 50% of cars and trucks exceed that. And about 40% of the Golf Carts (the drivers must have delusions of race car grandeur) go by at speeds over 30 MPH.
........Note: Since I am often in my front yard I can hear WHICH GOLF CARTS are speeding by how loudly their engines are straining. Also , I notice older Golf Carts leave the SMELL of unburned gasoline behind them - especially the ones going over 20 MPH. Also I " pity the fool" that buys a USED golf cart that had its speed jacked up because the engine will likely be ruined.

Perhaps, since this means so much and gets your undies all in a bunch, consider this. Apply and get accepted at the police academy, then join the force in your local jurisdiction, hang out on the street upon which you live and give out all the tickets you like. Be sure to nail all those golf carts going 20.1 mph

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

what makes yours legal and mine not?

Mine is not capable of exceeding 20mph. That makes it officially, legally, a designated "golf cart." There are LSVs, which are "Low Speed Vehicles." Those are golf carts that have specific criteria met, including being set to go UP TO 25mph but no faster. They have to be registered and insured and are no longer considered "golf carts" by legal definition (even though they're basically the same vehicle with some tweaks).

Any golf-cart-base-vehicle that can go in excess of 25mph, is not lawful in the State of Florida. It's not allowed to exist here. You can drive it on your own private property, or I guess tow or otherwise transport it to a private field and have fun with it, but it isn't allowed on any public road in the state.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Do you mean the tunnel under Morse that is right by the Virginia starter shack and intersects the MMP just north of Odell and west of the clubhouse? If so, I drive that frequently and don't see any issues with it at all.

Odell is a circle and crosses Morse in two places. I don't know the name of the golf course, I don't play golf. But if you're coming south on the Morse MMP from Sumter, and go down the hill where there's a golf cart tunnel to your right at the bottom of the hill, and then the road goes back up again and curves left, with Mallory Hill Country Club on the left, it's THAT spot there that I'm talking about. I see people coming out of that tunnel expecting to take a left, and sometimes they don't stop right away. It scares the bejeezus out of me when I'm coming from Sumter to Odell at that spot, I always worry they'll just keep going and I'll ram right into them. *I* should have a stop sign there. And so should people coming FROM the Mallory parking lot area on Odell, who are on the golf cart path heading north or heading through that same tunnel to go to the other side of it.

Because it's a 3-way stop in a sort of "Y" shape - I think it should work somewhat more like a roundabout. If you're taking a RIGHT at the intersection, no matter where you're coming from - you can go. If you're taking a LEFT at the intersection, no matter where you're coming from, you must stop and yield to whoever is taking a right. Since - there is technically no "straight" - the road curves at that spot, with the tunnel exit in the middle of the curve.

[Bill14564]

Odell is a circle and crosses Morse in two places. I don't know the name of the golf course, I don't play golf. But if you're coming south on the Morse MMP from Sumter, and go down the hill where there's a golf cart tunnel to your right at the bottom of the hill, and then the road goes back up again and curves left, with Mallory Hill Country Club on the left, it's THAT spot there that I'm talking about. I see people coming out of that tunnel expecting to take a left, and sometimes they don't stop right away. It scares the bejeezus out of me when I'm coming from Sumter to Odell at that spot, I always worry they'll just keep going and I'll ram right into them. *I* should have a stop sign there. And so should people coming FROM the Mallory parking lot area on Odell, who are on the golf cart path heading north or heading through that same tunnel to go to the other side of it.

Because it's a 3-way stop in a sort of "Y" shape - I think it should work somewhat more like a roundabout. If you're taking a RIGHT at the intersection, no matter where you're coming from - you can go. If you're taking a LEFT at the intersection, no matter where you're coming from, you must stop and yield to whoever is taking a right. Since - there is technically no "straight" - the road curves at that spot, with the tunnel exit in the middle of the curve.

Who does have the stop sign there, the people coming from Mallory or the people coming out of the tunnel? Most tunnels have the stop sign but at least one, heading north from Pinellas and turning right under Morse, has a stop sign on the path coming from Moyer.

[golfing eagles]

Odell is a circle and crosses Morse in two places. I don't know the name of the golf course, I don't play golf. But if you're coming south on the Morse MMP from Sumter, and go down the hill where there's a golf cart tunnel to your right at the bottom of the hill, and then the road goes back up again and curves left, with Mallory Hill Country Club on the left, it's THAT spot there that I'm talking about. I see people coming out of that tunnel expecting to take a left, and sometimes they don't stop right away. It scares the bejeezus out of me when I'm coming from Sumter to Odell at that spot, I always worry they'll just keep going and I'll ram right into them. *I* should have a stop sign there. And so should people coming FROM the Mallory parking lot area on Odell, who are on the golf cart path heading north or heading through that same tunnel to go to the other side of it.

Because it's a 3-way stop in a sort of "Y" shape - I think it should work somewhat more like a roundabout. If you're taking a RIGHT at the intersection, no matter where you're coming from - you can go. If you're taking a LEFT at the intersection, no matter where you're coming from, you must stop and yield to whoever is taking a right. Since - there is technically no "straight" - the road curves at that spot, with the tunnel exit in the middle of the curve.

Yep, that's the place. And sorry, but I don't see any problem there, other than the problem that exists at every tunnel exit----people don't stop at the stop line and stick their nose out too far or give the appearance that they are not stopping at all. But that's a driver problem, not a MMP problem.

[golfing eagles]

Who does have the stop sign there, the people coming from Mallory or the people coming out of the tunnel? Most tunnels have the stop sign but at least one, heading north from Pinellas and turning right under Morse, has a stop sign on the path coming from Moyer.

The stop sign, as usual, is at the tunnel exit. As far as the other tunnel you referenced, at Sarasota, yes, the stop sign is on the path from the driving range. I believe this is because the route through the tunnel and heading north is considered the main MMP, while the path joining from the right is a "spur" to the driving range and then over to Moyer. Once that path joins Moyer there is no longer any MMP anywhere in that section of TV---just diamond lanes, so I suppose that is the explanation.

[Annabelle110410]

MY wife and I use many precautions when either driving our golf cart or walking on the MMP's; however, we still have Dan Newlin
AND Morgan & Morgan on speed-dial on our phones.

[golfing eagles]

MY wife and I use many precautions when either driving our golf cart or walking on the MMP's; however, we still have Dan Newlin
AND Morgan & Morgan on speed-dial on our Phones.

That's nice. Let's just hope your attorneys never have to prove you were "dead right".

(And we wonder how many trillions of dollars are wasted on lawyers in our litigious society)

I also have to wonder about the mindset of anyone that "still has Dan Newlin
AND Morgan & Morgan on speed-dial"

[jimjamuser]

Its a fishing story. In another year, his imaginary carts will be doing 50 or 60.
There was a guy about a year ago that posted that he modified his Golf Cart engine and he BRAGGED that it went 50 MPH.

[jimjamuser]

You don’t really think that would happen do you?
I know that there are a lot of rollover accidents by golf carts that have their governor jacked up. I see women in golf carts going 30 MPH in a 20 MPH residential street. I would bet that her husband had their golf cart governor jacked up and she is fine with speeding everywhere. Well, I will blame the husband if the wife gets drunk and turns the golf cart over and breaks her neck. Laws can be enforced ........if there is a WILL there is a way. The people above the Police are too busy to worry about the SAFETY of some dingbat, little, nobody Villager.

[golfing eagles]

I know that there are a lot of rollover accidents by golf carts that have their governor jacked up. I see women in golf carts going 30 MPH in a 20 MPH residential street. I would bet that her husband had their golf cart governor jacked up and she is fine with speeding everywhere. Well, I will blame the husband if the wife gets drunk and turns the golf cart over and breaks her neck. Laws can be enforced ........if there is a WILL there is a way. The people above the Police are too busy to worry about the SAFETY of some dingbat, little, nobody Villager.

Just one question: As I already posted, in 11 years and 29,000 miles on my cart, I've seen MAYBE 2 golf carts going about 30. Why is it that you see 30,40 and now 50 all the time????

[Bill14564]

Just one question: As I already posted, in 11 years and 29,000 miles on my cart, I've seen MAYBE 2 golf carts going about 30. Why is it that you see 30,40 and now 50 all the time????

Someone seems to have a very active imagination. Good luck convincing him it’s all in his head.

[jimjamuser]

My cart will do 50
I never do it, but it's capable.
Thank you for your honesty......even though I don't agree with the concept of Golf Carts on the street or MMP NOT being REGULATED BY LAW AND THE POLICE to SOME STANDARD top speed such as 20 or 25 MPH.

[asianthree]

My cart will do 50
I never do it, but it's capable.

There was a guy about a year ago that posted that he modified his Golf Cart engine and he BRAGGED that it went 50 MPH.

Here’s your sign (poster):rant-rave:

[jimjamuser]

After speaking to Pat Breedan, Adam Dodge and Bob Seimer of the Sumter County police department, they realize there are problems with Over medicated, drunken drivers and just careless morons. I get the same answer, the Sumter County police is under staffed and not enough resources.
Captain Siemer and Sqt. Dodge are avid riders in the villages also.
I have seen presents of police golf cart north of 466 on the multiuse path once by Sqt. Dodge 4 months ago, but never seen them south of 466. I was also told that due to the multiuse path being on Villages private property that their authority is limited unless there is an accident or drunken or impaired driver. Folks have your head on a swivel my husband has been hit twice in the last 5 years!
Stay Safe
I would like to ask the question........why IS the Sumter County Police Department understaffed? When the Villages can put up some of America's largest Christmas trees at all the squares. And WHY do all the roundabouts have to be adorned with annual flowers (with their HIGH upkeep costs) instead of perennials flowers or bushes? In general, The Villages are more about FORM than FUNCTION and that is a BIG problem. And that is WHY the Police in the whole Villages are understaffed. I guess i answered my own 1st question.

[jimjamuser]

I think I need to stay indoors to stay alive!

I was out running this morning along a residential street, on the left, facing oncoming traffic, when a lady in a golf cart maintained her speed and position along the edge of the road, forcing me to jump into a neighbor's garden.

I guess she had forgotten she had a steering wheel.

A cyclist going the other way made some amusing comment about the driver, so maybe she has seen it all before, too.
Imagine how much worse it would have been had you been jogging WITH traffic.

[Kenswing]

I would like to ask the question........why IS the Sumter County Police Department understaffed? When the Villages can put up some of America's largest Christmas trees at all the squares. And WHY do all the roundabouts have to be adorned with annual flowers (with their HIGH upkeep costs) instead of perennials flowers or bushes? In general, The Villages are more about FORM than FUNCTION and that is a BIG problem. And that is WHY the Police in the whole Villages are understaffed. I guess i answered my own 1st question.

:1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl: Hilarious as usual. Thanks. I needed a good laugh today.

[jimjamuser]

Perhaps, since this means so much and gets your undies all in a bunch, consider this. Apply and get accepted at the police academy, then join the force in your local jurisdiction, hang out on the street upon which you live and give out all the tickets you like. Be sure to nail all those golf carts going 20.1 mph
I learned some things from this thread. Such as that the Sumter Co. police dept. is UNDERSTAFFED. I SUSPECTED that, but was unsure. Understaffed Police seem to make for a bad combination when mixed with elderly people in dense communities driving DRUNK after nightly entertainment events. Another problem with understaffed Police is that The Villages are a potential soft target for insurrection violence.