Fatal Pit Bull Attack on Boy.

[Taltarzac725]

It is the owner usually to blame with these tragedies.

My dog got bit in the paw by a pit bull or pit bull mix at Doggie Doo Run Run a few years back. It was by a dog that was visiting the dog park for the first time and had only been with its owner a week or so.

We were on our way to five acre back field and all was going well. The two dogs had passed each going its own way and then my dog as well as the pit bull spun around and confronted one another. Mine got grabbed by the pit bull which luckily for him did not bite down.

We kind of stopped going to dog parks a number of months after this. Would go once in a while but not that often. My dog still wants to go to the back field at Doggie Doo Run Run which you have to go through the big dog section to get to.


The Volusia County news story about the death of the little boy from a pit bull attack was on last night. Looked like a bad owner with badly trained and poorly controlled dogs.

[airstreamingypsy]

I read that neighbors had complained about those dogs, but the owner was very cavalier about them running loose.

[Taltarzac725]

I read that neighbors had complained about those dogs, but the owner was very cavalier about them running loose.

Sounds right.

[Taltarzac725]

We lived next to a guy with pit bulls in Palm Harbor, Florida. One morning or afternoon he decided to walk them while he drove in his car with them running alongside the vehicle. One dog's paws got torn up and the police followed the blood trail to his house and arrested him. A boy had seen it going on and had called them. He was few streets over.

Sweet dogs. He had kept them in cages in his garage much of the time.

It made the local news a few nights and got a few angry drivers coming by.

The house was owned by a criminal defense lawyer and we often wondered if he housed his previous clients there or maybe current ones.

The guy moved soon after this. There was an ongoing battle about custody of those two dogs.

[jimjamuser]

It is the owner usually to blame with these tragedies.

My dog got bit in the paw by a pit bull or pit bull mix at Doggie Doo Run Run a few years back. It was by a dog that was visiting the dog park for the first time and had only been with its owner a week or so.

We were on our way to five acre back field and all was going well. The two dogs had passed each going its own way and then my dog as well as the pit bull spun around and confronted one another. Mine got grabbed by the pit bull which luckily for him did not bite down.

We kind of stopped going to dog parks a number of months after this. Would go once in a while but not that often. My dog still wants to go to the back field at Doggie Doo Run Run which you have to go through the big dog section to get to.


The Volusia County news story about the death of the little boy from a pit bull attack was on last night. Looked like a bad owner with badly trained and poorly controlled dogs.
Pit Bulls should be outlawed for sale anywhere in the US. They were bred for DOG FIGHTING, which is outlawed. So, they have no USE as a breed. German Sheperds make better guard dogs. Pit Bulls are too stupid ad hurt children every year. They are even a danger to an adult in a wheelchair.

[jimjamuser]

I read that neighbors had complained about those dogs, but the owner was very cavalier about them running loose.
A bad owner paired with a bad breed of dogs.........what could POSSIBLY go wrong?

[Michael G.]

As long as we allow loud obnoxious Harley's cycles running through TV.
As long as we don't understand what directionals are for on vehicles.
As long as we let squatters take over our homes when were gone.

I'll say ya, let the pit bulls run.

[Taltarzac725]

As long as we allow loud obnoxious Harley's cycles running through TV.
As long as we don't understand what directionals are for on vehicles.
As long as we let squatters take over our homes when were gone.

I'll say ya, let the pit bulls run.

There are some pit bulls around us here in this neighborhood. As long as they are on a leash with a healthy individual in control of them, I have no problem. Years ago in this neighborhood a very large dog pulled over its dog walker and broke her wrist and then killed a small dog being walked by another dog walker. This was not a pit bull but a much bigger pooch. Some kind of mastiff, maybe.

[fdpaq0580]

There are some pit bulls around us here in this neighborhood. As long as they are on a leash with a healthy individual in control of them, I have no problem. Years ago in this neighborhood a very large dog pulled over its dog walker and broke her wrist and then killed a small dog being walked by another dog walker. This was not a pit bull but a much bigger pooch. Some kind of mastiff, maybe.

I was working in my garden several years ago when I met Max for the first time. He had somehow gotten out from his invisible fence and decided to checkout the neighborhood. He saw me with a piece of heavy rope in my hand across 4 vacant lots. I never saw or heard a thing until I was attacked by a werewolf. Or so I thought. Max was a large, young and playful black Lab. He bloodied me up pretty good, but (for him) it was all just good fun. Max and I soon became very good friends.

The point is that even breeds not known as problems, can
ALL be dangerous depending on the specific situation. Owners must be vigilant at all times. You may never have a problem, but the possibility is always there.

PS. Max's owers were shocked by what had happened and feared a lawsuit. I happen to love roughhousing with big dogs. We settled out of court for a batch of chocolate chip cookies.

[ThirdOfFive]

I was working in my garden several years ago when I met Max for the first time. He had somehow gotten out from his invisible fence and decided to checkout the neighborhood. He saw me with a piece of heavy rope in my hand across 4 vacant lots. I never saw or heard a thing until I was attacked by a werewolf. Or so I thought. Max was a large, young and playful black Lab. He bloodied me up pretty good, but (for him) it was all just good fun. Max and I soon became very good friends.

The point is that even breeds not known as problems, can
ALL be dangerous depending on the specific situation. Owners must be vigilant at all times. You may never have a problem, but the possibility is always there.

PS. Max's owers were shocked by what had happened and feared a lawsuit. I happen to love roughhousing with big dogs. We settled out of court for a batch of chocolate chip cookies.
Love it!

[jakers]

It is the owner usually to blame with these tragedies.

My dog got bit in the paw by a pit bull or pit bull mix at Doggie Doo Run Run a few years back. It was by a dog that was visiting the dog park for the first time and had only been with its owner a week or so.

We were on our way to five acre back field and all was going well. The two dogs had passed each going its own way and then my dog as well as the pit bull spun around and confronted one another. Mine got grabbed by the pit bull which luckily for him did not bite down.

We kind of stopped going to dog parks a number of months after this. Would go once in a while but not that often. My dog still wants to go to the back field at Doggie Doo Run Run which you have to go through the big dog section to get to.


The Volusia County news story about the death of the little boy from a pit bull attack was on last night. Looked like a bad owner with badly trained and poorly controlled dogs.
Call Community Watch to report aggressive behavior.

[Cuervo]

I love dogs but do not own one, because at this stage of my life I do not want to responsibility. First, I believe all dogs should have chip implanted not only for human safety, but also for the dog. When people either recue or purchase a dog they should have to sign a document of what ownership actually means which is registered to the county. In this way they will not be able to abandon their pet on the side of the road and will be responsible for any harm or damage their pet has done.
I do not hold dogs responsible for their actions, it the owners.

[Rocksnap]

Pit Bulls should be outlawed for sale anywhere in the US. They were bred for DOG FIGHTING, which is outlawed. So, they have no USE as a breed. German Sheperds make better guard dogs. Pit Bulls are too stupid ad hurt children every year. They are even a danger to an adult in a wheelchair.
Nothing personal, but you don’t know what you are talking about. Raised properly, pit bulls can be one of the sweetest dogs around. Many breeds can be trained to be aggressive. And it’s the small toy breeds that are usually overly aggressive. Chihuahua‘s come to mind. Never let one of those around small kids.

[Taltarzac725]

Nothing personal, but you don’t know what you are talking about. Raised properly, pit bulls can be one of the sweetest dogs around. Many breeds can be trained to be aggressive. And it’s the small toy breeds that are usually overly aggressive. Chihuahua‘s come to mind. Never let one of those around small kids.

Chihuahuas are like pit bulls in that they too should be looked at as I individuals with personal histories which may define how they may act.

[Caymus]

Nothing personal, but you don’t know what you are talking about. Raised properly, pit bulls can be one of the sweetest dogs around. Many breeds can be trained to be aggressive. And it’s the small toy breeds that are usually overly aggressive. Chihuahua‘s come to mind. Never let one of those around small kids.

But "small toy breeds" do not have the jaw strength of a pit bull.

[Taltarzac725]

But "small toy breeds" do not have the jaw strength of a pit bull.

Nor the size of bite radius.

[HORNET]

Owners of the two dogs that killed the little boy, should go to prison for Murder!!!!!

[dewilson58]

I read that neighbors had complained about those dogs, but the owner was very cavalier about them running loose.

Sheriff said no one complained (to the dept) about the loose dogs.

He requested everyone should report loose dogs, even if the dogs are not causing any issues.

[Bay Kid]

This thread reminds me about Michael Vick. Poor dogs.

[Taltarzac725]

This thread reminds me about Michael Vick. Poor dogs.

Except I believe he was involved with pit bull fights. Those dogs would probably try to bite anyone.

[bonbonn]

First of all there is a leash law all across the country, all dogs must be on a leash. The owners should be jailed for manslaughter, the dogs should be put down right away. dog owners are respopnsible for the actions of their dogs

[airstreamingypsy]

Sheriff said no one complained (to the dept) about the loose dogs.

He requested everyone should report loose dogs, even if the dogs are not causing any issues.

"Law enforcement officers who went door-to-door after the incident heard "horrific stories" from neighbors about how the dogs are frequently running loose and have destroyed chickens.

Officials also discovered that the dogs may have been involved in a previous incident in another county."

[Normal]

Pitbulls are statistically more likely to bite than other dog breeds, even outperforming Rottweilers in reported dog bites.

[dewilson58]

"Law enforcement officers who went door-to-door after the incident heard "horrific stories" from neighbors about how the dogs are frequently running loose and have destroyed chickens.

Officials also discovered that the dogs may have been involved in a previous incident in another county."

Yes after-the-fact................not before which might have prevented the death........the neighbors should have "complained" (past tense) before.

[MandoMan]

Nothing personal, but you don’t know what you are talking about. Raised properly, pit bulls can be one of the sweetest dogs around. Many breeds can be trained to be aggressive. And it’s the small toy breeds that are usually overly aggressive. Chihuahua‘s come to mind. Never let one of those around small kids.

While you are right, between a third and two thirds of dogs in shelters are pit bulls or pit bull mixes. There are too many! They are clogging the shelters! In 75% of big city shelters, Al pit bulls turned in for adoption are immediately euthanized. A good start toward a solution to these horrible facts is to ban breeding and require all pit bull males to be clipped. That is much better than having to kill them off. I’ve known sweet pit bulls. Nevertheless . . .

[lpkruege1]

Pit Bulls should be outlawed for sale anywhere in the US. They were bred for DOG FIGHTING, which is outlawed. So, they have no USE as a breed. German Sheperds make better guard dogs. Pit Bulls are too stupid ad hurt children every year. They are even a danger to an adult in a wheelchair.

I haven't met a German Shepherd that I would trust, or leave them alone anywhere close to my grandchildren. I can tell you, all three of my children have pit bulls, and I have pictures of my 4 year old, and almost 2 year old crawling into the dog beds with them and falling asleep with them. I see those terrible dogs licking those poor children to death as they giggle. Pit Bulls, just like any other dog, or human, can be good or bad. Training, socialization, and attention are important to all dogs. Personally, the yippie, ankle biting, fur ball that craps in everyone's yard is not a good neighbor and should be banned.

[Bill14564]

First of all there is a leash law all across the country, all dogs must be on a leash. The owners should be jailed for manslaughter, the dogs should be put down right away. dog owners are respopnsible for the actions of their dogs

There is no United States leash law.

Many states do not have a leash law and Florida appears to be one of them.

In states without leash laws, many jurisdictions (counties, towns, etc) have leash laws.

See Florida statutes chapter 767.

[Bill14564]

Pitbulls are statistically more likely to bite than other dog breeds, even outperforming Rottweilers in reported dog bites.

Very misleading statistics.

Statistics are on *reported* bites and hospital visits. That doesn't show a propensity for biting, it shows an effectiveness in biting. Small dogs might be twice as likely to bite but the wounds they cause are much less severe and rarely require hospital visits.

If all pit bulls were removed from the nation today, prior owners would simply choose another breed and the statistics would shift.

The statistics show that a bite occurred and the dog was of a particular breed. What the statistics don't show is how frequently dogs of that breed bite, the circumstances behind the bite, or how the dog was trained or treated. A dog that bites is bad but that could have less to do with the breed and more to do with the owner.

[FrostyBear]

Pit Bulls should be outlawed for sale anywhere in the US. They were bred for DOG FIGHTING, which is outlawed. So, they have no USE as a breed. German Sheperds make better guard dogs. Pit Bulls are too stupid ad hurt children every year. They are even a danger to an adult in a wheelchair.

Boxers, pugs, all types of dogs with bull in their name, Newfoundland, Great Dane, St Bernard would have to be included in your definition of dogs that were breed to fight. Why not hold bad owners accountable? Especially people who neglect or treat their dogs as babies and dont know how to properly own a dog.

[JRcorvette]

Florida is a permitless carry State and you have a right to protect yourself from harm.

[Taltarzac725]

I recall a pooch at Doggie Doo Run Run with healed wounds all over its back and sides. It was a pit bull of some kind but was rather scared of dogs of any size and the owners would usually keep it at a good distance from other dogs. They did say it had been involved with dog fighting.

[Arlene pugh]

Premeditated murder. Kill kids in California also and everywhere. Often say never had a problem before attack. One jumped off a truck and killed a family dog at our ranch.

[Two Bills]

I have never owned one, or had any interaction with Pitbull types, but a dog training friend said they are one of the easiest dogs to train., Unfortunately however, many abuse the dog's willingness to please.
Evidently, after Husky dogs, terrier breeds are among the most difficult to train.
The most evil, snappy, dog I ever met, was a Dachshund.

[John Sarubbi]

The pit bull my daughter had was the sweetest dog you could ever own. Any nasty dog is the result of a bad owner who doesn't know how to train a dog and treats them badly.

[Ponygirl]

Pit bull is not a breed but an umbrella term for several pure breeds such as American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier and others.

I oversaw dangerous dog investigations in a large city and there are many breeds that attack and bite. The worst attack I ever saw was from a Rottweiler

Most important is that breed specific legislation is expensive and ineffective.

There is excellent legislation that jurisdictions can pass that declare dogs potentially dangerous and dangerous based on their behavior and has very specific requirements for ownership of that animal

Owners are at fault and are responsible for dogs behavior

In this case where the young boy was killed the owners should definitely be charged. They knew the dogs were aggressive and running at large

[kkingston57]

It is the owner usually to blame with these tragedies.

My dog got bit in the paw by a pit bull or pit bull mix at Doggie Doo Run Run a few years back. It was by a dog that was visiting the dog park for the first time and had only been with its owner a week or so.

We were on our way to five acre back field and all was going well. The two dogs had passed each going its own way and then my dog as well as the pit bull spun around and confronted one another. Mine got grabbed by the pit bull which luckily for him did not bite down.

We kind of stopped going to dog parks a number of months after this. Would go once in a while but not that often. My dog still wants to go to the back field at Doggie Doo Run Run which you have to go through the big dog section to get to.


The Volusia County news story about the death of the little boy from a pit bull attack was on last night. Looked like a bad owner with badly trained and poorly controlled dogs.

In Florida owners are legally responsible for the actions of a dog and law is severe. Hopefully the dog owner has high homeowners liability limits

[Topspinmo]

Nothing personal, but you don’t know what you are talking about. Raised properly, pit bulls can be one of the sweetest dogs around. Many breeds can be trained to be aggressive. And it’s the small toy breeds that are usually overly aggressive. Chihuahua‘s come to mind. Never let one of those around small kids.

Yes, some can, but most get bad reputation.

When have ever heard of person being killed or mulled by toy bread dog. Ankle bit not mulled. And besides you can just putt kick the toy bread away and it will get the message. Pit bull are naturally killers. Some can go off like firecracker and they won’t let go unless you beat them unconscious or cut their head off and when run in pack it’s 10 time worse. Any large dog over 60 pounds can be dangerous pit bulls get the top honors. I see people all over villages on property they don’t own letting their big dogs run loose in open area. Just cause their not around housing area don’t mean they let dogs run free when human activities are near. IMO anybody weighing less that 180 pounds has hard time controlling couple big dogs on leash. I watch small women being dragged down street by two mixed bread pits. A disaster just waiting to happen.

[Topspinmo]

Owners of the two dogs that killed the little boy, should go to prison for Murder!!!!!

By her rap sheet IMO she should of already been in prison.

[patriciashew@me.com]

Nothing personal, but you don’t know what you are talking about. Raised properly, pit bulls can be one of the sweetest dogs around. Many breeds can be trained to be aggressive. And it’s the small toy breeds that are usually overly aggressive. Chihuahua‘s come to mind. Never let one of those around small kids.

You are right. My nephew had pit bulls and they were very loving and sweet!!

Any day and any time a dog could be having a bad day and do something you never thought possible. I always ask permission to interact with someone else’s dog. Dogs only know how to respond to people or dogs if they are taught.

[fdpaq0580]

But "small toy breeds" do not have the jaw strength of a pit bull.

While true, they can still cause, injuries leading to trips/falls that can permanently disable or even kill. Bite can draw blood, cause infection and need for medical attention and leave scars/permanent disfiguration. They can cause emotional stress and anxiety. They may be little, but the are still 100% DOG!

PS; A Derringer can kill you as dead as a howitzer.

[fdpaq0580]

First of all there is a leash law all across the country, all dogs must be on a leash. The owners should be jailed for manslaughter, the dogs should be put down right away. dog owners are respopnsible for the actions of their dogs

Yes!

[Bill14564]

While true, they can still cause, injuries leading to trips/falls that can permanently disable or even kill. Bite can draw blood, cause infection and need for medical attention and leave scars/permanent disfiguration. They can cause emotional stress and anxiety.
Good description of a human (baby, toddler, teen, or adult).

They may be little, but the are still 100% DOG!
Thanks for clearing that up??

PS; A Derringer can kill you as dead as a howitzer.
And you can drown in a teaspoon of water but I'm not likely to suggest a life jacket for everyone in my kitchen.

Life is dangerous, some things make life more dangerous, larger breeds of dogs with more strength are some of those things.

[fdpaq0580]

Very misleading statistics.

Statistics are on *reported* bites and hospital visits. That doesn't show a propensity for biting, it shows an effectiveness in biting. Small dogs might be twice as likely to bite but the wounds they cause are much less severe and rarely require hospital visits.

If all pit bulls were removed from the nation today, prior owners would simply choose another breed and the statistics would shift.

The statistics show that a bite occurred and the dog was of a particular breed. What the statistics don't show is how frequently dogs of that breed bite, the circumstances behind the bite, or how the dog was trained or treated. A dog that bites is bad but that could have less to do with the breed and more to do with the owner.

Yes. Yes. And, yes. Correct, imho. If it is a dog (breed makes no difference) it can bite. Be ware!

[fdpaq0580]

Premeditated murder. Kill kids in California also and everywhere. Often say never had a problem before attack. One jumped off a truck and killed a family dog at our ranch.

All criminals say they have done nothing wrong and feign innocence. But, they did, and they are not.

[fdpaq0580]

[QUOTE=Bill14564;2402030

I'm not likely to suggest a life jacket for everyone in my kitchen.
[/QUOTE]

I wear one in my kitchen. 😮😶😶

[Taltarzac725]

You are right. My nephew had pit bulls and they were very loving and sweet!!

Any day and any time a dog could be having a bad day and do something you never thought possible. I always ask permission to interact with someone else’s dog. Dogs only know how to respond to people or dogs if they are taught.

I recall a pooch at Doggie Doo Run Run. Its owners would keep it around them near a shelter in the big dog section . It was a golden lab or something like that. Gentle for the most part. That was until it was a kid, any kid, coming into the dog park. The owners position allowed them to see who was coming into the dog park with time to spare. They needed to do that as some previous neighborhood kid had shot the pooch with various BBs. Or, maybe, a bad parent with a kid with tendencies of animal abuse. The dog hated the sight of any kid. The owners also mentioned that the poor dog still had BBs in it.

[Caymus]

You are right. My nephew had pit bulls and they were very loving and sweet!!

Any day and any time a dog could be having a bad day and do something you never thought possible. I always ask permission to interact with someone else’s dog. Dogs only know how to respond to people or dogs if they are taught.

If I was near a dog "having a bad day", I would prefer a Pug and not a Pit Bull.

[Arlene pugh]

Tried reply twice but something flashed up so fast couldn’t read it. Seldom reply on this but life and death of children at stake. Tried to stay common knowledge loving Pitt bulls kill unexpectantly. 7 year old killed in my home town by loving Pitt bulls as is case many times. Many are not badly trained as are the facts. Maybe supporters should consider the harm to these innocent children often babies and toddlers-death. If your children maybe think differently. Why hard to accept the clenching killer bites of Pitt bulls is not like other dogs. Can’t direct comments at commenters but can at owners.

[Arlene pugh]

Seems owners of innocent loving Pitt bulls get a lot of support and encouragement.
How much support for the victims?

[jimjamuser]

Boxers, pugs, all types of dogs with bull in their name, Newfoundland, Great Dane, St Bernard would have to be included in your definition of dogs that were breed to fight. Why not hold bad owners accountable? Especially people who neglect or treat their dogs as babies and dont know how to properly own a dog.
St. Bernard, Great Dane, and others were bred to hunt wolves. They were NOT bred for dog FIGHTS.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Pit Bulls should be outlawed for sale anywhere in the US. They were bred for DOG FIGHTING, which is outlawed. So, they have no USE as a breed. German Sheperds make better guard dogs. Pit Bulls are too stupid ad hurt children every year. They are even a danger to an adult in a wheelchair.

They should be outlawed for BREEDING, and any pitbull puppies should be REQUIRED to be spayed or neutered before they're old enough to breed. It'd be great to see the breed die out, too many of them are treated badly, and too many of the well-trained ones are feared and hated by too many people who don't know any better.

Pit bulls are no more or less stupid than most other dogs. Chihuahuas have no use as a breed in the US. They were originally bred as a food source. And yet there are lots of those, and they're nasty, yippy, nippy little monsters.

Pit bulls are active dogs that require socialization, training, and human interaction from the time they're born. They require physical exercise. In addition, the term "pit bull" isn't even an exclusive thing. It refers to one of a few different breeds of terriers. Remember the old black and white show Our Gang? The dog Petey was a pit bull.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I recall a pooch at Doggie Doo Run Run. Its owners would keep it around them near a shelter in the big dog section . It was a golden lab or something like that. Gentle for the most part. That was until it was a kid, any kid, coming into the dog park. The owners position allowed them to see who was coming into the dog park with time to spare. They needed to do that as some previous neighborhood kid had shot the pooch with various BBs. Or, maybe, a bad parent with a kid with tendencies of animal abuse. The dog hated the sight of any kid. The owners also mentioned that the poor dog still had BBs in it.

I still have a piece of a BB in my back from when a fellow high-schooler thought it'd be funny to shoot me in the parking lot of the strip mall next to the school on our lunch break. It's why I have a fear of people carrying firearms and won't allow one in my house, and when I see someone carrying near me, I quickly extract myself from the vicinity. I fear people with firearms MUCH more than I fear dogs. I have no fear of dogs at all really, though I still can't stand chihauhuas.

[Two Bills]

In the USA, about 1 person per week is killed by a dog.
About 35 children are killed weekly by parents in the US.
Maybe it's time to get rid of parents, and keep the dogs.

[kcrazorbackfan]

As long as we allow loud obnoxious Harley's cycles running through TV.
As long as we don't understand what directionals are for on vehicles.
As long as we let squatters take over our homes when were gone.

I'll say ya, let the pit bulls run.

I really hope you’re joking about this. That was a horrific incident with that child and you’re talking about Harley’s, directional’s, squatters and letting Pit’s run wild? Do you realize the horror that that little child experienced? If you’re not joking about this - Karma; just see how you like being torn apart.

I shot and killed 2 pit bulls on a traffic stop in Arkansas when the owner intentionally let them out of his vehicle. I didn’t give them the chance to attempt that again.

[Luisa]

Nothing personal, but you don’t know what you are talking about. Raised properly, pit bulls can be one of the sweetest dogs around. Many breeds can be trained to be aggressive. And it’s the small toy breeds that are usually overly aggressive. Chihuahua‘s come to mind. Never let one of those around small kids.
Pit bulls killed a 7 year old boy in my home town. There have been numerous incidences of owners saying their pit bulls are sweet and never hurt anyone before killing or seriously injuring a person or another pet.

[fdpaq0580]

I really hope you’re joking about this. That was a horrific incident with that child and you’re talking about Harley’s, directional’s, squatters and letting Pit’s run wild? Do you realize the horror that that little child experienced? If you’re not joking about this - Karma; just see how you like being torn apart.

I shot and killed 2 pit bulls on a traffic stop in Arkansas when the owner intentionally let them out of his vehicle. I didn’t give them the chance to attempt that again.

And I hope that owner is still behind bars (unless they are dead!)

[Luisa]

I haven't met a German Shepherd that I would trust, or leave them alone anywhere close to my grandchildren. I can tell you, all three of my children have pit bulls, and I have pictures of my 4 year old, and almost 2 year old crawling into the dog beds with them and falling asleep with them. I see those terrible dogs licking those poor children to death as they giggle. Pit Bulls, just like any other dog, or human, can be good or bad. Training, socialization, and attention are important to all dogs. Personally, the yippie, ankle biting, fur ball that craps in everyone's yard is not a good neighbor and should be banned.
The 7 year old killed in my community was sleeping and left alone with the mother pit bull and 2 or 3 offspring. The 18 year old sister left for a couple hours to deliver papers. Look up incident in Olivehurst, California online.

[fdpaq0580]

Seems owners of innocent loving Pitt bulls get a lot of support and encouragement.
How much support for the victims?

100% support for innocent victims of dog attacks. 0% for victims of justified attacks (protecting children or adults from attack/abuse, criminals bitten by K-9 officers, etc).

[fdpaq0580]

They should be outlawed for BREEDING.
Remember the old black and white show Our Gang? The dog Petey was a pit bull.

Just my silly distaste for "dog pimps" (breeders who do it for profit) makes my breeding "pets for profit" should be outlawed as long as there is one adoptable pet in a shelter. Like breeding captive men and women and selling the babies to folks who want a "skin baby" to lord over like a pet. That's how disgusting it is to me.
As for Petey, I loved laughing at him as he bit the truant officer on the butt and tore his pants. Peter was also often the hero as he would protect young and old from dastardly villians. Peter was a good dog (every incarnation of him).

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I have never owned one, or had any interaction with Pitbull types, but a dog training friend said they are one of the easiest dogs to train., Unfortunately however, many abuse the dog's willingness to please.
Evidently, after Husky dogs, terrier breeds are among the most difficult to train.
The most evil, snappy, dog I ever met, was a Dachshund.

Pitbulls are terriers.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Just my silly distaste for "dog pimps" (breeders who do it for profit) makes me breeding "pets for profit" should be outlawed as long as there is one adoptable pet in a shelter. Like breeding captive men and women and selling the babies to folks who want a "skin baby" to lord over like a pet. That's how disgusting it is to me.
As for Petey, I loved laughing at him as he bit the truant officer on the butt and tore his pants. Peter was also often the hero as he would protect young and old from dastardly villians. Peter was a good dog (every incarnation of him).

I loved Pete. The Little Rascals and Our Gang were "must-watch" shows when I was a little girl. Even though they were reruns by the time I got to see them, my parents and sister and I loved to watch them together.

Pete was the inspiration for my love of "big" dogs. The bigger the better, except for Great Danes. I just find them unattractive for some reason. Pitbulls aren't even large dogs. They just have large bites and their jaws are set in a way that makes them able to simply not let go once they've latched onto their target. That makes them dangerous, if not trained and controlled by a TRAINED owner. If the owner isn't also trained, then the dog needs to be placed with an owner who is.

My dream dog is the Great Pyrenees. But I also love Long-haired German Shepherds, Rottweilers, Cane Corsos, and this guy here:

Newfoundland dog - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_dog) - if you've ever had the privilege of the company of a Newfie up close and personal, you can't help but want to just wrestle with him. 150 pounds of slobbering drooling muscle and fur. How can anyone resist!

[fdpaq0580]

I still have a piece of a BB in my back from when a fellow high-schooler thought it'd be funny to shoot me in the parking lot of the strip mall next to the school on our lunch break. .

I still have an old BB pistol. I've never shot anyone or any living thing with it, no matter how much I may have wanted to. I don’t carry it, so if I ever show up at your place, I'll be the bewildered stranger with no weapons. Just tell me to go home and I will. I'm very well trained.

[Two Bills]

St. Bernard, Great Dane, and others were bred to hunt wolves. They were NOT bred for dog FIGHTS.


St Bernard's were bred as rescue dogs. Not wolf hunters.

[ithos]

I don't think this has been posted yet but it provides all the details including about the irresponsible owner who will face charges.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoGxPzzxxpc

[ithos]

The mother saw the attack through a window and ran over to protect her son. It was the most heart wrenching part of the press conference.

https://youtu.be/WoGxPzzxxpc?t=1890

Edit: The mother ran out and laid on top of her son while the dogs were right next to them. She was yelling for everyone to stay away because the dogs were dangerous.

Heroic doesn't even begin to describe her actions.

[Veracity]

In my opinion, there is a lot to be said about how nature (genes) and nurture (upbringing) interact to shape canine behavior. My experiences have taught me to understand and respect every dog’s breed (nature). If I buy/adopt a border collie, just like its ancestors, it will be genetically programmed to herd. It’s very unlikely that I will ever be able to completely train that dog NOT to display herding tendencies. If I don’t live on a farm, and I am very kind and loving to the dog, and I never teach it or expose it to herding (nurture), under certain circumstances, herding tendencies will still surface and the dog will naturally chase, circle, and nip at a moving object (nature). It’s not that the dog “snapped.” It’s just doing what it was bred for. Everyone seems to accept herding behavior from the entire category of breeds called ”collies.” Yet many people deny that the category of breeds called pit bulls, who were bred to fight but raised in a loving home, have the propensity to attack, regardless of how friendly they appear. Just as I will never drink and drive because I won’t jeopardize the safety of myself and others, I will never own a pit bull. If I were ever at fault in an accident that injured or killed another human being (child or adult) after consuming alcohol, I would not be able to live with myself. If I owned one of those sweet pit bulls who “out of nowhere” injured or killed a human or someone’s pet , I would have the same feelings. I cannot fathom any parent taking a pit bull into their home and then allowing their children to climb all over the dog, even into their bed (as described in an earlier post). Why would anyone take a chance of potentially putting their child in harm’s way? Is it me, or are they being totally irresponsible?

[ByebyeMichigan]

Wrong .

[Luisa]

In my opinion, there is a lot to be said about how nature (genes) and nurture (upbringing) interact to shape canine behavior. My experiences have taught me to understand and respect every dog’s breed (nature). If I buy/adopt a border collie, just like its ancestors, it will be genetically programmed to herd. It’s very unlikely that I will ever be able to completely train that dog NOT to display herding tendencies. If I don’t live on a farm, and I am very kind and loving to the dog, and I never teach it or expose it to herding (nurture), under certain circumstances, herding tendencies will still surface and the dog will naturally chase, circle, and nip at a moving object (nature). It’s not that the dog “snapped.” It’s just doing what it was bred for. Everyone seems to accept herding behavior from the entire category of breeds called ”collies.” Yet many people deny that the category of breeds called pit bulls, who were bred to fight but raised in a loving home, have the propensity to attack, regardless of how friendly they appear. Just as I will never drink and drive because I won’t jeopardize the safety of myself and others, I will never own a pit bull. If I were ever at fault in an accident that injured or killed another human being (child or adult) after consuming alcohol, I would not be able to live with myself. If I owned one of those sweet pit bulls who “out of nowhere” injured or killed a human or someone’s pet , I would have the same feelings. I cannot fathom any parent taking a pit bull into their home and then allowing their children to climb all over the dog, even into their bed (as described in an earlier post). Why would anyone take a chance of potentially putting their child in harm’s way? Is it me, or are they being totally irresponsible?
Excellent response!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

In my opinion, there is a lot to be said about how nature (genes) and nurture (upbringing) interact to shape canine behavior. My experiences have taught me to understand and respect every dog’s breed (nature). If I buy/adopt a border collie, just like its ancestors, it will be genetically programmed to herd. It’s very unlikely that I will ever be able to completely train that dog NOT to display herding tendencies. If I don’t live on a farm, and I am very kind and loving to the dog, and I never teach it or expose it to herding (nurture), under certain circumstances, herding tendencies will still surface and the dog will naturally chase, circle, and nip at a moving object (nature). It’s not that the dog “snapped.” It’s just doing what it was bred for. Everyone seems to accept herding behavior from the entire category of breeds called ”collies.” Yet many people deny that the category of breeds called pit bulls, who were bred to fight but raised in a loving home, have the propensity to attack, regardless of how friendly they appear. Just as I will never drink and drive because I won’t jeopardize the safety of myself and others, I will never own a pit bull. If I were ever at fault in an accident that injured or killed another human being (child or adult) after consuming alcohol, I would not be able to live with myself. If I owned one of those sweet pit bulls who “out of nowhere” injured or killed a human or someone’s pet , I would have the same feelings. I cannot fathom any parent taking a pit bull into their home and then allowing their children to climb all over the dog, even into their bed (as described in an earlier post). Why would anyone take a chance of potentially putting their child in harm’s way? Is it me, or are they being totally irresponsible?

The herding dog will NOT try and herd, which is their nature to do, if they are trained to NOT do that, and they are "on duty." If their current "job" is to stay home and hang out, and stay on their leash, and obey their owner who says "NO" when a group of people scatter in the park, then that is their job, and that is what they're trained to do, and that is what they will obey.

A herding dog WILL herd, if they are "off duty" or if they are not trained to not herd. My shepherd was a perfect example of that. She was an off-leash dog. She had the run of the neighborhood. And she loved herding joggers on the street. They all knew her and they'd let her run with them once they realized she had zero intention of biting anyone, she just enjoyed the chase because that's what herders DO.

But when she was on my lawn, hanging out with me, she was "on duty" and wouldn't take off chasing after joggers if I told her to stay. That's because that was how I trained her.

A fighting dog is bred AND TRAINED to fight. They can be trained to NOT fight instead. It takes more work to train them against their nature, but basically all dogs need a job. If the job is to sit there and NOT attack, then that is their job, and they'll do it if properly trained AND if their owner is properly trained in mastering their dog's behavior.

A properly trained pitbull will not suddenly attack for no reason. It just flat out won't happen. If it's attacking, then somewhere there's a failure. Either there WAS a good reason for the attack, OR the person training the dog failed in their own training by not properly training and commanding their dog.

This guy trains dogs off-leash, here he is with his cane corso in a shopping mall picking up a gift for his wife at Nordstrom's:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-KB4Be3M48

Cane corso are primarily guard dogs. They're considered "giant" dogs (bigger than "large" dogs), have massive heads and jaws, can EASILY protect a henhouse from coyotes (ask me how I know), and fiercely guard their families. If not trained, socialized, and exercised properly, they can become terrifying aggressors. But a well-trained, socialized, and exercised cane corso is very likely to be just a really comfy, warm footrest when you're watching TV at night, or pillow if you've given him access to one end of the couch.

[Topspinmo]

Bit bulls are terriers? Yes and no?

Bottom line Pit bulls were crossed breaded for fighting dogs from the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Which was cross bread form Staffordshire terrier and bulldogs. Which IMO created vise like jaws with crushing teeth with grip of Chinese finger trap. When person take ownership of pit bull hybrid you taken on great responsibility and liability.

Now shall we talk about Bullmastiffs, Rottweilers, Tosa, and Neapolitan Mastiffs and dozen more breads bread for specific purposes. But IMO only the pit bull was bread to be killer. Even though some or more don’t display there specific purpose it’s lurks in there genes. Few dogs have the crushing jaw muscles and clamping strength of pit bulls. I see some pits that look like their ears was chewed off and some may have been? but probably was docked for purpose.

So, if you knew ****ed off MMA fighter lived next door you be aware what the person could do if provoked. You would either be their best buddy or avoid any confrontation know you could be bet within second of your life. IMO same goes with pit bulls, best to avoid them and give the WIDE safety area and carry 454 Casull which makes any threat equal.

[Kathyo]

It is the owner usually to blame with these tragedies.
The Volusia County news story about the death of the little boy from a pit bull attack was on last night. Looked like a bad owner with badly trained and poorly controlled dogs.

Video of Sheriff and Animal Control Investigation of the incident. Note background info regarding owner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu4OJW3Zuyg

[Lea N]

I was working in my garden several years ago when I met Max for the first time. He had somehow gotten out from his invisible fence and decided to checkout the neighborhood. He saw me with a piece of heavy rope in my hand across 4 vacant lots. I never saw or heard a thing until I was attacked by a werewolf. Or so I thought. Max was a large, young and playful black Lab. He bloodied me up pretty good, but (for him) it was all just good fun. Max and I soon became very good friends.

The point is that even breeds not known as problems, can
ALL be dangerous depending on the specific situation. Owners must be vigilant at all times. You may never have a problem, but the possibility is always there.

PS. Max's owers were shocked by what had happened and feared a lawsuit. I happen to love roughhousing with big dogs. We settled out of court for a batch of chocolate chip cookies.

I love how you handled this!!

You are so right dog owners, regardless of their dogs breed or size need to be vigilant at ALL times. Those who own large breeds (or mixes) such as German Shepherds, Dobermans, Rotties, etc. need to be especially vigilant and teach their dogs well. There is no room for error with these breeds. I've had German Shepherds, one Dobie, a German Shepherd mix and more large breed dogs. Our dogs had to learn early good behavior.

[Lea N]

I love dogs but do not own one, because at this stage of my life I do not want to responsibility. First, I believe all dogs should have chip implanted not only for human safety, but also for the dog. When people either recue or purchase a dog they should have to sign a document of what ownership actually means which is registered to the county. In this way they will not be able to abandon their pet on the side of the road and will be responsible for any harm or damage their pet has done.
I do not hold dogs responsible for their actions, it the owners.

I love this!! It's such a common sense way to help a lot of dogs who end up abandoned and neglected.

[graciegirl]

In my opinion, there is a lot to be said about how nature (genes) and nurture (upbringing) interact to shape canine behavior. My experiences have taught me to understand and respect every dog’s breed (nature). If I buy/adopt a border collie, just like its ancestors, it will be genetically programmed to herd. It’s very unlikely that I will ever be able to completely train that dog NOT to display herding tendencies. If I don’t live on a farm, and I am very kind and loving to the dog, and I never teach it or expose it to herding (nurture), under certain circumstances, herding tendencies will still surface and the dog will naturally chase, circle, and nip at a moving object (nature). It’s not that the dog “snapped.” It’s just doing what it was bred for. Everyone seems to accept herding behavior from the entire category of breeds called ”collies.” Yet many people deny that the category of breeds called pit bulls, who were bred to fight but raised in a loving home, have the propensity to attack, regardless of how friendly they appear. Just as I will never drink and drive because I won’t jeopardize the safety of myself and others, I will never own a pit bull. If I were ever at fault in an accident that injured or killed another human being (child or adult) after consuming alcohol, I would not be able to live with myself. If I owned one of those sweet pit bulls who “out of nowhere” injured or killed a human or someone’s pet , I would have the same feelings. I cannot fathom any parent taking a pit bull into their home and then allowing their children to climb all over the dog, even into their bed (as described in an earlier post). Why would anyone take a chance of potentially putting their child in harm’s way? Is it me, or are they being totally irresponsible?

Very well said and well thought. I love both cats and dogs but I realize that some things are more concerning with different breeds. I think that thought is very frightening but very realistic. I don't know who you are, but I so like how you think.

[Lea N]

Nothing personal, but you don’t know what you are talking about. Raised properly, pit bulls can be one of the sweetest dogs around. Many breeds can be trained to be aggressive. And it’s the small toy breeds that are usually overly aggressive. Chihuahua‘s come to mind. Never let one of those around small kids.

I agree. I love these dogs. Unfortunately some owners of these dogs (and other large breed dogs) seem to enjoy the "status" of having a dog that can be intimidating to others. If you haven't already read "The Lost Dogs Michael Vick's Dogs and their Tale of Redemption" it is worth the read.

[bilcon]

Chihuahuas are like pit bulls in that they too should be looked at as I individuals with personal histories which may define how they may act.

Years ago, I was helping my wife set up her kindergarten classroom when a pit bull appeared at the doorway to the classroom. I started to panic until I heard someone call Duncan, Duncan. The dog stopped immediately and the owner, another teacher appeared. She told us about Duncan. She found him as a puppy in a box at a post office and took him home. She told us he is the sweetest dog and very friendly. She has a fenced in property and the dog would jump a 5' fence if kids came alone just so he could play with them. A lot had to do with how a dog is raised. I interacted with Duncan many times after that incident, and never found him to be aggressive. He was given a love of love by his owner, unlike many others who are chained up outside or kept in cages for most of their lives.

[hypart]

No such thing as bad dogs. Only bad owners

[Bwanajim]

Pit Bulls should be outlawed for sale anywhere in the US. They were bred for DOG FIGHTING, which is outlawed. So, they have no USE as a breed. German Sheperds make better guard dogs. Pit Bulls are too stupid ad hurt children every year. They are even a danger to an adult in a wheelchair.

That is absolute bull****! They are no different than any other dog other than their strength and power of their bite. It all depends on how they were raised. I know plenty of friends with pits and they are friendly as hell.
Some of the little yap dogs here are more vicious

[Taltarzac725]

That is absolute bull****! They are no different than any other dog other than their strength and power of their bite. It all depends on how they were raised. I know plenty of friends with pits and they are friendly as hell.
Some of the little yap dogs here are more vicious

I have met some very sweet pit bulls at Doggie Doo Run Run. Jade, for instance, who was quite gentle until she started playing hard with a boxer about her size. We then had to keep our distance.

[ithos]

That is absolute bull****! They are no different than any other dog other than their strength and power of their bite. It all depends on how they were raised. I know plenty of friends with pits and they are friendly as hell.
Some of the little yap dogs here are more vicious


The higher the population of pit bulls, the greater the risk of unprovoked dog attacks. To say that all dog breeds pose the same risk is patently false. Proper care and training will make a big difference but it can not completely eliminate genetic instincts.

over thirteen percent of pit bulls attacked their owners, as compared with just over
two percent of other dogs

Pit bull dogs, unlike other dogs, often give no warning signals before they attack.

These dogs were intentionally bred to result in better, stronger,
and bolder dogs, more inclined to engage in the dangerous behaviors likely
to win in the ring.
https://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/one-citys-experience.pdf
2019 U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities - Dog Bite Statistics - DogsBite.org (https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019.php)


And hundreds of cities and towns ban or restrict pitbulls.
https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/estimated-breed-specific-laws-2021.pdf

2019 dog bite fatality statistics

[Topspinmo]

They should be outlawed for BREEDING, and any pitbull puppies should be REQUIRED to be spayed or neutered before they're old enough to breed. It'd be great to see the breed die out, too many of them are treated badly, and too many of the well-trained ones are feared and hated by too many people who don't know any better.

Pit bulls are no more or less stupid than most other dogs. Chihuahuas have no use as a breed in the US. They were originally bred as a food source. And yet there are lots of those, and they're nasty, yippy, nippy little monsters.

Pit bulls are active dogs that require socialization, training, and human interaction from the time they're born. They require physical exercise. In addition, the term "pit bull" isn't even an exclusive thing. It refers to one of a few different breeds of terriers. Remember the old black and white show Our Gang? The dog Petey was a pit bull.

Petey was not pit bull according to this

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“The first Petey was named "Pal, the Wonder Dog" and was an American Staffordshire Terrier. He had a natural ring around his left eye that was enhanced with dye.

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The History of Pit Bulls - Love-A-BullPit bulls are descendants of the Old English Bulldog and the Old English Terrier. They were originally bred in 19th-century England, Scotland, and Ireland for fighting other dogs.
Explanation
Bulldog ancestry
Bulldogs were originally bred for bull baiting, a cruel blood sport where they would harass a bull until it collapsed.
Terrier ancestry
Smaller, quicker terriers were crossed with the larger, slower bulldogs to create a more agile fighting dog.
Bull-and-Terrier
The crossing of the bulldog and the British terrier created the Bull-and-Terrier breed. This breed combined the bulldog's muscle power and tenacity with the terrier's alertness, agility, and speed.
The American Kennel Club (AKC) does not recognize pit bulls as a distinct breed. However, other organizations do, and the term "pit bull" is often used as an umbrella term for breeds like the American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and American Pit Bull Terrier

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Modern Staffords are often confused with the fighting pit bull-types because they share common ancestors that date back to the early 1800s when pit fighting was a popular sport. As a result, Staffords are considered among the breeds with a stigma attached relative to the "chav culture",[26] and have been termed "status dogs".[51][52] Globally, pit bull-types including Staffordshire Bull Terriers have made local news for acts of aggression, but breed advocates have raised questions about the veracity of visual breed identification, and media hype.[53][54] News reports often treat the breed as one that attacks other dogs.[55] Similar breeds have been associated with bites to humans.[56]

[fdpaq0580]

2019 dog bite fatality statistics

The stats are about fatalities. Which is fine, but it doesn't tell the whole story. Anything "pitbull" gets reported. Not so much other breeds, and for many reasons. Like my own interaction mentioned earlier. If Max, the Labrador, had attacked anyone but me, the damage could have been much worse, with 911 calls, police reports, medical attention, physical and mental therapy, lawsuits and lives forever damaged. Once I got Max under control, I had my wife call the owner. Once she saw me, she thought her life was over. Max played rough, very rough. But he was playing, and I recognized it instantly as a result of playing with my own large dogs. Result, one report of a black Labrador attack was never filed.
If all dog attacks were reported, regardless of severity, we would see a very different picture than just the dreaded pit bull. Most dogs, and virtually all small dogs would be front and center. Like the pomeranian that bit it's owner because he/she reached for the dog toy. Dog bite, yes. Blood, yes. Pain, yes. Medical attention, bandaid and a whiskey. Report, no.

[MollyJo]

There are some pit bulls around us here in this neighborhood. As long as they are on a leash with a healthy individual in control of them, I have no problem. Years ago in this neighborhood a very large dog pulled over its dog walker and broke her wrist and then killed a small dog being walked by another dog walker. This was not a pit bull but a much bigger pooch. Some kind of mastiff, maybe.
I Always carry a spray water bottle (in winter coat) as a first defense. If a dog approaching my dog aggressively gets within 5’ out comes my pepper gel. It works & we stay safe.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Petey was not pit bull according to this

Quote

“The first Petey was named "Pal, the Wonder Dog" and was an American Staffordshire Terrier. He had a natural ring around his left eye that was enhanced with dye.

Quote

The History of Pit Bulls - Love-A-BullPit bulls are descendants of the Old English Bulldog and the Old English Terrier. They were originally bred in 19th-century England, Scotland, and Ireland for fighting other dogs.
Explanation
Bulldog ancestry
Bulldogs were originally bred for bull baiting, a cruel blood sport where they would harass a bull until it collapsed.
Terrier ancestry
Smaller, quicker terriers were crossed with the larger, slower bulldogs to create a more agile fighting dog.
Bull-and-Terrier
The crossing of the bulldog and the British terrier created the Bull-and-Terrier breed. This breed combined the bulldog's muscle power and tenacity with the terrier's alertness, agility, and speed.
The American Kennel Club (AKC) does not recognize pit bulls as a distinct breed. However, other organizations do, and the term "pit bull" is often used as an umbrella term for breeds like the American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and American Pit Bull Terrier

Quote

Modern Staffords are often confused with the fighting pit bull-types because they share common ancestors that date back to the early 1800s when pit fighting was a popular sport. As a result, Staffords are considered among the breeds with a stigma attached relative to the "chav culture",[26] and have been termed "status dogs".[51][52] Globally, pit bull-types including Staffordshire Bull Terriers have made local news for acts of aggression, but breed advocates have raised questions about the veracity of visual breed identification, and media hype.[53][54] News reports often treat the breed as one that attacks other dogs.[55] Similar breeds have been associated with bites to humans.[56]

First of all - if you're going to copy and paste from an online source, you need to include the link to that source. Links, or it didn't happen.

Second - according to your own copy/paste of whatever that is, pitbulls aren't their own distinct breed but are rather a group of different breeds that fall under the general heading. And American Staffordshire Terriers, of which Pete was one, is often included in that group. And so - I am not incorrect. Pete was an American Staffordshire Terrier, and they ARE grouped into the collective known as "pit bulls."

[BrianL99]

In my opinion, there is a lot to be said about how nature (genes) and nurture (upbringing) interact to shape canine behavior. My experiences have taught me to understand and respect every dog’s breed (nature). If I buy/adopt a border collie, just like its ancestors, it will be genetically programmed to herd. It’s very unlikely that I will ever be able to completely train that dog NOT to display herding tendencies. If I don’t live on a farm, and I am very kind and loving to the dog, and I never teach it or expose it to herding (nurture), under certain circumstances, herding tendencies will still surface and the dog will naturally chase, circle, and nip at a moving object (nature). It’s not that the dog “snapped.” It’s just doing what it was bred for. Everyone seems to accept herding behavior from the entire category of breeds called ”collies.” Yet many people deny that the category of breeds called pit bulls, who were bred to fight but raised in a loving home, have the propensity to attack, regardless of how friendly they appear.

100% right.

If you own a herding dog, it's going to herd. As you say, that's what it was bred to do.

It you have a retriever, the odds are, it's going to "retrieve", no matter how it's raised.

The town that borders me in NH, has a local ordinance against owning a Pit Bull and my Insurance company wouldn't insure my home if I owned a Pit Bull. The statistics support such a ban and prohibition.

[Topspinmo]

First of all - if you're going to copy and paste from an online source, you need to include the link to that source. Links, or it didn't happen.

Second - according to your own copy/paste of whatever that is, pitbulls aren't their own distinct breed but are rather a group of different breeds that fall under the general heading. And American Staffordshire Terriers, of which Pete was one, is often included in that group. And so - I am not incorrect. Pete was an American Staffordshire Terrier, and they ARE grouped into the collective known as "pit bulls."

No I don’t you can look it up. Not that hard. Petey was not Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Which are considered pit bulls for short.

[Caymus]

That is absolute bull****! They are no different than any other dog other than their strength and power of their bite. It all depends on how they were raised. I know plenty of friends with pits and they are friendly as hell.
Some of the little yap dogs here are more vicious



.....and Seigfreid and Roy did a great job training tigers (for a while)

[Veracity]

A properly trained pitbull will not suddenly attack for no reason. It just flat out won't happen. If it's attacking, then somewhere there's a failure. Either there WAS a good reason for the attack, OR the person training the dog failed in their own training by not properly training and commanding their dog.

I think that you are delusional. First, if a "responsible" pitbull owner is ONLY someone who provides their dog the intense training that you describe and they are ALWAYS with their dog which would be necessary in order to ALWAYS be in command, there would be very few people (if anyone) who are able/qualified to own such a dog other than perhaps law enforcement. Second, I agree that there WAS a good reason for EVERY attack. The owner, however, will probably never understand that reason. It could be as simple as a child reaching for an object the dog perceived to be theirs, triggering the "bred-in" guarding instinct. It could be the natural sounds and motions of children at play that triggered the dog's "bred in" fighting instincts. It could be that someone made eye contact with the dog in a way that the dog perceived as threatening that triggered the "bred-in" protecting instinct. Or thousands of other unidentified reasons. Of course all dogs could potentially have these instincts, but not all dog attacks are as vicious, dangerous, and deadly as those that are so common with the unique "bred-in" jaws of a pit bull. I do not understand why anyone, even experienced pet trainers, would take the chance of owning a potentially dangerous animal and then give it access to children, neighbors, or other pets. They need to be held accountable for their dog's lethal actions, but for anyone whose child, loved one, or pet has been killed or mauled by a pitbull, there will be no way to find closure from such a needless tragedy.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

No I don’t you can look it up. Not that hard. Petey was not Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Which are considered pit bulls for short.

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From YOUR post, which YOU quoted from somewhere else (and you didn't even have the courtesy to mention where your quote came from so no, I couldn't look it up):

The American Kennel Club (AKC) does not recognize pit bulls as a distinct breed. However, other organizations do, and the term "pit bull" is often used as an umbrella term for breeds like the American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and American Pit Bull Terrier

Pete was an AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER. They are categorized as pitbull-type dogs, as are American Pit Bull Terriers and Staffordshire Bull Terriers.

That is from YOUR source, that YOU quoted. If you disagree with your own source, then find a new source.

[Topspinmo]

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From YOUR post, which YOU quoted from somewhere else (and you didn't even have the courtesy to mention where your quote came from so no, I couldn't look it up):



Pete was an AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER. They are categorized as pitbull-type dogs, as are American Pit Bull Terriers and Staffordshire Bull Terriers.

That is from YOUR source, that YOU quoted. If you disagree with your own source, then find a new source.

Came from simple google search where else would I find it? Petey IMO and yes I can have one just like you was not cross bread to be fighting dog. As the information was from old England where they cross dogs to kill which when pit bulls reared their ugly heads. Point was now way to prove or disprove Petey was pit bull killer. He may of been pure bread Staffordshire terrier which can be somewhat more docile, maybe. Point is that breed notoriously known to mull anything they they attack to death specially when running in two or more packs. One hard enough to fight off full grown man over 200 pounds in MMA shape two or more nearly impossible unless you have weapon. Majority are not sweet lovable little dogs that won’t hurt fly. That’s been proven over centuries.

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The stats are about fatalities. Which is fine, but it doesn't tell the whole story. Anything "pitbull" gets reported. Not so much other breeds, and for many reasons. Like my own interaction mentioned earlier. If Max, the Labrador, had attacked anyone but me, the damage could have been much worse, with 911 calls, police reports, medical attention, physical and mental therapy, lawsuits and lives forever damaged. Once I got Max under control, I had my wife call the owner. Once she saw me, she thought her life was over. Max played rough, very rough. But he was playing, and I recognized it instantly as a result of playing with my own large dogs. Result, one report of a black Labrador attack was never filed.
If all dog attacks were reported, regardless of severity, we would see a very different picture than just the dreaded pit bull. Most dogs, and virtually all small dogs would be front and center. Like the pomeranian that bit it's owner because he/she reached for the dog toy. Dog bite, yes. Blood, yes. Pain, yes. Medical attention, bandaid and a whiskey. Report, no.


So saying when some get killed by dog other than pit bulls it’s not news?

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So saying when some get killed by dog other than pit bulls it’s not news?

It would probably be very hard for a six lb Chihuahua to kill anyone no matter what his or her size. Pit bulls can and do kill people.

I still think it is a matter of his the dog has been treated over its life rather than genetics.

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.....and Seigfreid and Roy did a great job training tigers (for a while)

😃😁😆🤣😂 Now THAT is funny! Love it!

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Came from simple google search where else would I find it? Petey IMO and yes I can have one just like you was not cross bread to be fighting dog. As the information was from old England where they cross dogs to kill which when pit bulls reared their ugly heads. Point was now way to prove or disprove Petey was pit bull killer. He may of been pure bread Staffordshire terrier which can be somewhat more docile, maybe. Point is that breed notoriously known to mull anything they they attack to death specially when running in two or more packs. One hard enough to fight off full grown man over 200 pounds in MMA shape two or more nearly impossible unless you have weapon. Majority are not sweet lovable little dogs that won’t hurt fly. That’s been proven over centuries.

Maul. Mull is what you do with wine.

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So saying when some get killed by dog other than pit bulls it’s not news?

No! You read but do not comprehend.
My point is that not all dog attacks are not reported. Attacks don't always end in fatalities. Some, fortunately, may end with nothing more than a piece of torn clothing. Others may be detered by defensive action, weapon or barrier. What big, strong, manly man wants to report that he is frightened by the menacing, ankle biting Pekingese. I would guess that most dog bites/attacks are never reported simply because "it isn't worth the trouble".
Understand now?

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From Pit bull - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull) :

Pit bull is an umbrella term for several types of dog believed to have descended from bull and terriers. In the United States, the term is usually considered to include the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Bully, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and sometimes the American Bulldog, along with any crossbred dog that shares certain physical characteristics with these breeds.

From Pete the Pup - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_the_Pup)

Pete the Pup (original, 1924 – June 1930; second Pete, September 9, 1929 – January 28, 1946) was an American dog actor, who participated in Hal Roach's Our Gang comedies (later known as The Little Rascals) during the 1930s, otherwise known as "Pete, the dog with the ring around his eye", or simply "Petey". The original Pete (sired by "Tudor's Black Jack") was a UKC registered American Staffordshire Terrier named "Pal, the Wonder Dog",[1][2][3][4] and had a natural ring almost completely around his left eye; dye was used to complete the circle. The second Pete was an American Pitbull Terrier named Lucenay’s Peter.[5] He was well known for having a circled eye which was added by Hollywood make-up artist Max Factor[6] and credited as an oddity in Ripley's Believe It or Not.

from American Pit Bull Terrier - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier)

Despite the colloquial use of the term "pit bull" to encompass a whole category of dogs and the legal use of the term to include several breeds in legislation, some conservative professional breeders of the American Pit Bull Terrier as well as some experts and supporters claim that historically the APBT is the only true "pit bull" and the only breed that should be denominated as such.[6][7][8][9]

See those links? Those are links. I (and other people who accept responsibility for quoting source material) use them to source our material.

Pete was a pitbull. The original Pete was an American Staffordshire Terrier, which was included in the broad category of "pit bull" dogs and is still included in that category by many municipalities for animal law enforcement purposes, and by some dog breed organizations. The second Pete was an American Pit Bull Terrier and was a pit bull by ALL standards.

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From Pit bull - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull) :



From Pete the Pup - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_the_Pup)



from American Pit Bull Terrier - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Pit_Bull_Terrier)



See those links? Those are links. I (and other people who accept responsibility for quoting source material) use them to source our material.

Pete was a pitbull. The original Pete was an American Staffordshire Terrier, which was included in the broad category of "pit bull" dogs and is still included in that category by many municipalities for animal law enforcement purposes, and by some dog breed organizations. The second Pete was an American Pit Bull Terrier and was a pit bull by ALL standards.

Whatever! Petey (collectively) deserves a star, or several stars, on Hollywood's Walk of Fame.