Interesting Sales Pitch New Builder

[Normal]

Opened up Zillow today and saw 623 homes for sale in the Villages. Yes that number is high for just Zillow, but then something new.

Hammock Oaks Townhomes Townhomes | Main-Level Owner'''s Suites Available for Sale | Ryan Homes (https://www.ryanhomes.com/new-homes/communities/10222120152597/florida/lady-lake/hammock-oaks-townhomes?utm_source=zillowgroup&utm_medium=boost_ad&utm_term=nvr&utm_campaign=orl_ho_hammockoaktownhomes&utm_content=onlinetraffic)

It seems that Ryan Homes anlmost andjacent to the Villages are touting their new townhouses as custom built with amenities $200,000 one floor living yaada yaada…. But then


They use Villages hot spots for their sales pitch! “Just minutes to The Lighthouse in Sumter Landing” or nearby “Enjoy Spanish Springs…”. A different builder riding the coattails of the Developer.

Will this be a positive or negative for us? Is this even legal? Certainly not ethical.

[retiredguy123]

Personally, I don't see anything illegal or unethical about advertising amenities that are open to the public.

[Michael 61]

It’s legal - squares are open to the public / unless the developer wants to do an “about face” and fence in the square areas and scan resident ID’s for entry.

[asianthree]

Opened up Zillow today and saw 623 homes for sale in the Villages. Yes that number is high for just Zillow, but then something new.

Hammock Oaks Townhomes Townhomes | Main-Level Owner'''s Suites Available for Sale | Ryan Homes (https://www.ryanhomes.com/new-homes/communities/10222120152597/florida/lady-lake/hammock-oaks-townhomes?utm_source=zillowgroup&utm_medium=boost_ad&utm_term=nvr&utm_campaign=orl_ho_hammockoaktownhomes&utm_content=onlinetraffic)

It seems that Ryan Homes anlmost andjacent to the Villages are touting their new townhouses as custom built with amenities $200,000 one floor living yaada yaada…. But then


They use Villages hot spots for their sales pitch! “Just minutes to The Lighthouse in Sumter Landing” or nearby “Enjoy Spanish Springs…”. A different builder riding the coattails of the Developer.

Will this be a positive or negative for us? Is this even legal? Certainly not ethical.

In very early years and in the newer squares Businesses rely on “Outsiders” for income especially off season. I can remember In April 07 going to SS theatre and 1/2 of the room was under 30. (Not a children movie) The square had mix of older and much younger people everywhere, with restaurants packed, people shopping and of course the line to Enter KBs.
We never spent much time in LSL, but few time we did there was always a younger crown.
Brownwood has always had young gens, mixing with residents, in restaurants and squares.

Squares are public, bet the business are thrilled to have more “Outside people spending money”

[DrMack]

I believe this is a smart move. Ryan homes is not a small time builder. They know what they are doing and I’m sure their legal office went over everything with a fine tooth comb.

[retiredguy123]

I think the developer should build more townhouses, condos, and apartments. A single family house is fine for a couple, but not as convenient for a person living alone.

[Normal]

I think the developer should build more townhouses, condos, and apartments. A single family house is fine for a couple, but not as convenient for a person living alone.

NIMBY…but I wouldn’t want them near me

[Boomer]

Ryan Homes has been in business since 1948.

If you are from an area of the country where a lot of bi-levels were built in the 1970s, that could have been Ryan Homes

in the early 70s, the first of the boomers were entering the housing market. The brick ranches built in the 50s and 60s needed a big footprint, a big basement and a long roof.

Then came the bi-levels with a design that could get the needed rooms and the garage all in under a small roof and built on a small foundation on small subdivision lots.

In the 70s, Ryan built for the first home market. I don't know if Ryan got into any of the McMansion subdivisions of the 80s and 90s -- when boomers could afford bigger houses and the tax law was in effect that made cap gains on real estate taxable unless reinvested in a bigger house. (That law changed in the late 90s and many middle class people benefited from being able to keep real estate profit when downsizing from bigger homes.)

And I think somewhere along the line, Ryan did a lot of those 4 bedrooms, 2 and a half baths, brick on the bottom, siding on the top, two-stories when boomers started having families.

I laughed when I saw Ryan Homes was moving in next door to TV and with condos with first floor living. Looks to me like Ryan is following the boomers like they have through all these years of finding a need and filling it.

(They should have done that first floor living thing when they were building condos in the 70s. But that cost more to do and nobody seemed to think the boomers might get old someday.)

Rock on......

Boomer

[BrianL99]

As others have pointed out, Ryan Homes has been around a long time and they're not rookies.

They're doing what every large home builder would do and should do ... pointing out the convenience and benefits of their location.

The Villages doesn't own the squares or the environment, nor most of the convenient retail stores (they may own the brick & mortar, but they depend on non-Villagers to spend money).

If you build homes near the ocean, would you point out it's location? If you built homes, 5 miles from the Mall of America, would you promote its proximity to shopping?

[Stu from NYC]

As others have pointed out, Ryan Homes has been around a long time and they're not rookies.

They're doing what every large home builder would do and should do ... pointing out the convenience and benefits of their location.

The Villages doesn't own the squares or the environment, nor most of the convenient retail stores (they may own the brick & mortar, but they depend on non-Villagers to spend money).

If you build homes near the ocean, would you point out it's location? If you built homes, 5 miles from the Mall of America, would you promote its proximity to shopping?

But you miss out on all the clubs here so not for us.

[retiredguy123]

But you miss out on all the clubs here so not for us.
Some independent living facilities have an agreement with The Villages for the residents to get a Villages ID card and use the amenities. Three of them are Freedom Pointe, Sumter Senior Living, and Watercrest. This may be possible for the new townhouses.

[Bill14564]

Some independent living facilities have an agreement with The Villages for the residents to get a Villages ID card and use the amenities. Three of them are Freedom Pointe, Sumter Senior Living, and Watercrest. This may be possible for the new townhouses.

Are those independent living facilities independent of the Villages or are do the facilities sit on Villages property? (Google maps and cart trails imply they are on Villages property)

Hammock Oaks is not on Villages property, it is just one of several new developments in this area. Is there any reason to believe *ANYONE* that is not a Villages resident (residing on Villages property) is eligible for a Villages Resident ID? As others have mentioned, it it just good business practice to advertise the local attractions when selling a home and the squares are local attractions.

[retiredguy123]

Are those independent living facilities independent of the Villages or are do the facilities sit on Villages property? (Google maps and cart trails imply they are on Villages property)

Hammock Oaks is not on Villages property, it is just one of several new developments in this area. Is there any reason to believe *ANYONE* that is not a Villages resident (residing on Villages property) is eligible for a Villages Resident ID? As others have mentioned, it it just good business practice to advertise the local attractions when selling a home and the squares are local attractions.
I don't think any of them are located on Villages property, but I don't know the actual Villages property boundaries. Freedom Pointe is on El Camino Real, Sumter Senior Living is on Rt 466A and Watercrest is on Rt 466. I think they have an agreement with The Villages to pay the amenity fees so their residents can use the golf courses, rec centers, and other amenities. As far as I know, these are private facilities and not owned or operated by The Villages.

[vintageogauge]

Ryan is a low end low quality builder and their homes show it. Everything is at the bare minimum to stay within codes except what they can slip in and hide that doesn't meet code. They've been around forever and are successful due to their low budget pricing and El Cheapo materials and finishings.

[retiredguy123]

Ryan is a low end low quality builder and their homes show it. Everything is at the bare minimum to stay within codes except what they can slip in and hide that doesn't meet code. They've been around forever and are successful due to their low budget pricing and El Cheapo materials and finishings.
I don't think that Ryan is much different from most other builders. They try to meet the building codes, but I can't think of any codes that a builder would want to exceed. Before moving to The Villages, I lived in a high end subdivision in Northern Virginia, but I would rate The Villages construction quality as better than most builders in Virginia.

[Aces4]

Ryan is a low end low quality builder and their homes show it. Everything is at the bare minimum to stay within codes except what they can slip in and hide that doesn't meet code. They've been around forever and are successful due to their low budget pricing and El Cheapo materials and finishings.

Excellent! Plenty fine for second home or to blow or float away from hurricane or hurricane induced tornados. Lower taxes and who needs a palace in their old age when all one wants to do is connect with friends and enjoy life.

Something for everyone and it sounds like it will be great.

[Garywt]

I think it is great inviting people to move in and use the free stuff in the Village. Helps the stores and allows our neighbors to come in to dance and listen to music and have a great time.

[CFrance]

Ryan Homes has been in business since 1948.

If you are from an area of the country where a lot of bi-levels were built in the 1970s, that could have been Ryan Homes

in the early 70s, the first of the boomers were entering the housing market. The brick ranches built in the 50s and 60s needed a big footprint, a big basement and a long roof.

Then came the bi-levels with a design that could get the needed rooms and the garage all in under a small roof and built on a small foundation on small subdivision lots.

In the 70s, Ryan built for the first home market. I don't know if Ryan got into any of the McMansion subdivisions of the 80s and 90s -- when boomers could afford bigger houses and the tax law was in effect that made cap gains on real estate taxable unless reinvested in a bigger house. (That law changed in the late 90s and many middle class people benefited from being able to keep real estate profit when downsizing from bigger homes.)

And I think somewhere along the line, Ryan did a lot of those 4 bedrooms, 2 and a half baths, brick on the bottom, siding on the top, two-stories when boomers started having families.

I laughed when I saw Ryan Homes was moving in next door to TV and with condos with first floor living. Looks to me like Ryan is following the boomers like they have through all these years of finding a need and filling it.

(They should have done that first floor living thing when they were building condos in the 70s. But that cost more to do and nobody seemed to think the boomers might get old someday.)

Rock on......

Boomer
We built a Ryan home in 1975. It was about the same quality as the homes here in TV, maybe a little less. We were drawn to the development by their advertised "base price," which was very affordable. When we got there and chose the model, they then said, Okay, what second floor do you want?
We were like, Oh, you wanted BEDROOMS too?
Ryan Homes didn't have a very good reputation back in those years, but we were young and poor. That house is still standing, though, and looking good.

[Enidlou]

Opened up Zillow today and saw 623 homes for sale in the Villages. Yes that number is high for just Zillow, but then something new.

Hammock Oaks Townhomes Townhomes | Main-Level Owner'''s Suites Available for Sale | Ryan Homes (https://www.ryanhomes.com/new-homes/communities/10222120152597/florida/lady-lake/hammock-oaks-townhomes?utm_source=zillowgroup&utm_medium=boost_ad&utm_term=nvr&utm_campaign=orl_ho_hammockoaktownhomes&utm_content=onlinetraffic)

It seems that Ryan Homes anlmost andjacent to the Villages are touting their new townhouses as custom built with amenities $200,000 one floor living yaada yaada…. But then


They use Villages hot spots for their sales pitch! “Just minutes to The Lighthouse in Sumter Landing” or nearby “Enjoy Spanish Springs…”. A different builder riding the coattails of the Developer.

Will this be a positive or negative for us? Is this even legal? Certainly not ethical.

If you feel/think that may be an issue, just wait until Eastport is finally up and running, the amount of people that will be attending there will be extreme based on the proximity to Middleton and Turnpike/75, I’m sure surrounding builders/areas will use that as a selling point also, which would be good business for them..

[Rocksnap]

I don't think that Ryan is much different from most other builders. They try to meet the building codes, but I can't think of any codes that a builder would want to exceed. Before moving to The Villages, I lived in a high end subdivision in Northern Virginia, but I would rate The Villages construction quality as better than most builders in Virginia.

One simple code you would hope builders exceed. Insulation! Using 2X6 for exterior wall construction. Really ups the insulation factor. That’s just a start!

[Rocksnap]

I think it is great inviting people to move in and use the free stuff in the Village. Helps the stores and allows our neighbors to come in to dance and listen to music and have a great time.
Like our already overcrowded main events that Villagers love in the main Squares. I’ve skipped several due to lack of parking for them. Not to mention, we pay the amenities fees, not freeloaders. Just sayin.

[asianthree]

Like our already overcrowded main events that Villagers love in the main Squares. I’ve skipped several due to lack of parking for them. Not to mention, we pay the amenities fees, not freeloaders. Just sayin.

You are confused on “What Amenity Fees” are paying for.

[retiredguy123]

One simple code you would hope builders exceed. Insulation! Using 2X6 for exterior wall construction. Really ups the insulation factor. That’s just a start!
I agree that increasing the insulation will improve the efficiency of the house, but it is rarely done unless it is requested and paid for by the homeowner building a custom house. House buyers are also not willing to pay extra for upgraded windows, that greatly improve the function of the house. Most buyers don't even look at the windows when viewing a house.

[Caymus]

Opened up Zillow today and saw 623 homes for sale in the Villages. Yes that number is high for just Zillow, but then something new.

Hammock Oaks Townhomes Townhomes | Main-Level Owner'''s Suites Available for Sale | Ryan Homes (https://www.ryanhomes.com/new-homes/communities/10222120152597/florida/lady-lake/hammock-oaks-townhomes?utm_source=zillowgroup&utm_medium=boost_ad&utm_term=nvr&utm_campaign=orl_ho_hammockoaktownhomes&utm_content=onlinetraffic)

It seems that Ryan Homes anlmost andjacent to the Villages are touting their new townhouses as custom built with amenities $200,000 one floor living yaada yaada…. But then


They use Villages hot spots for their sales pitch! “Just minutes to The Lighthouse in Sumter Landing” or nearby “Enjoy Spanish Springs…”. A different builder riding the coattails of the Developer.

Will this be a positive or negative for us? Is this even legal? Certainly not ethical.

$200,000, No bond? Could be tough completion especially for less than 6-month Snowbirds.

[CybrSage]

Everything is at the bare minimum to stay within codes except what they can slip in and hide that doesn't meet code.

What happened when you reported them for violating code?

[J1ceasar]

Brownwood and Spanish springs squares are Public . Spaces.

Just like the fact if someone advertises their near a turnpike entrance or a lakeor a shopping mall

Don't be jealous that their prices are 50% less per square foot then you paid

Opened up Zillow today and saw 623 homes for sale in the Villages. Yes that number is high for just Zillow, but then something new.

Hammock Oaks Townhomes Townhomes | Main-Level Owner'''s Suites Available for Sale | Ryan Homes (https://www.ryanhomes.com/new-homes/communities/10222120152597/florida/lady-lake/hammock-oaks-townhomes?utm_source=zillowgroup&utm_medium=boost_ad&utm_term=nvr&utm_campaign=orl_ho_hammockoaktownhomes&utm_content=onlinetraffic)

It seems that Ryan Homes anlmost andjacent to the Villages are touting their new townhouses as custom built with amenities $200,000 one floor living yaada yaada…. But then


They use Villages hot spots for their sales pitch! “Just minutes to The Lighthouse in Sumter Landing” or nearby “Enjoy Spanish Springs…”. A different builder riding the coattails of the Developer.

Will this be a positive or negative for us? Is this even legal? Certainly not ethical.

[J1ceasar]

There is a big problem in the villages with the fact that simply there aren't enough doctors plumbers electricians handyman or people between 20 and 50 willing to work to be waiters and waitresses.

It's great that someone has decided to build affordable and I don't mean cheap housing.
It's incredible that seniors people want to exclude exactly those that they need. Don't forget that your nurse needs to live reasonably close to your hospital when you decide to break a leg or a hip



NIMBY…but I wouldn’t want them near me

[J1ceasar]

At least they are a builder that you know will be around when the roof starts leaking. And I applaud them for taking the point on building something that's more affordable in The villages

[Wondering]

Opened up Zillow today and saw 623 homes for sale in the Villages. Yes that number is high for just Zillow, but then something new.

Hammock Oaks Townhomes Townhomes | Main-Level Owner'''s Suites Available for Sale | Ryan Homes (https://www.ryanhomes.com/new-homes/communities/10222120152597/florida/lady-lake/hammock-oaks-townhomes?utm_source=zillowgroup&utm_medium=boost_ad&utm_term=nvr&utm_campaign=orl_ho_hammockoaktownhomes&utm_content=onlinetraffic)

It seems that Ryan Homes anlmost andjacent to the Villages are touting their new townhouses as custom built with amenities $200,000 one floor living yaada yaada…. But then


They use Villages hot spots for their sales pitch! “Just minutes to The Lighthouse in Sumter Landing” or nearby “Enjoy Spanish Springs…”. A different builder riding the coattails of the Developer.

Will this be a positive or negative for us? Is this even legal? Certainly not ethical.
Why would this be unethical? Smart advertising! Not illegal! Smart advertising.

[G.R.I.T.S.]

Stonecrest has done that for years! Add to that, Del Webb, Plantation, you name it.

[RickLake]

Ryan Homes has been in business since 1948.

If you are from an area of the country where a lot of bi-levels were built in the 1970s, that could have been Ryan Homes

in the early 70s, the first of the boomers were entering the housing market. The brick ranches built in the 50s and 60s needed a big footprint, a big basement and a long roof.

Then came the bi-levels with a design that could get the needed rooms and the garage all in under a small roof and built on a small foundation on small subdivision lots.

In the 70s, Ryan built for the first home market. I don't know if Ryan got into any of the McMansion subdivisions of the 80s and 90s -- when boomers could afford bigger houses and the tax law was in effect that made cap gains on real estate taxable unless reinvested in a bigger house. (That law changed in the late 90s and many middle class people benefited from being able to keep real estate profit when downsizing from bigger homes.)

And I think somewhere along the line, Ryan did a lot of those 4 bedrooms, 2 and a half baths, brick on the bottom, siding on the top, two-stories when boomers started having families.

I laughed when I saw Ryan Homes was moving in next door to TV and with condos with first floor living. Looks to me like Ryan is following the boomers like they have through all these years of finding a need and filling it.

(They should have done that first floor living thing when they were building condos in the 70s. But that cost more to do and nobody seemed to think the boomers might get old someday.)

Rock on......

Boomer

Ryan Homes is a wholly owned subsidiary of NVR who also offers Mortgages, Settlement Services and builds the larger, upscale homes (McMansions) under the NVR label in many market areas.

[Ski Bum]

What's the difference between saying "close to Spanish Springs" or "close to Home Depot"?

[RUCdaze]

Regardless of how you feel about the advertisements and commerce for new developments, the fact remains that outside developers are over building around The Villages. I wish Sumter County would take steps to restrict these cheap, horrible-looking housing projects.

[Jayhawk]

Like our already overcrowded main events that Villagers love in the main Squares. I’ve skipped several due to lack of parking for them. Not to mention, we pay the amenities fees, not freeloaders. Just sayin.

The squares are not amenities. Just sayin.

[Happydaz]

You are confused on “What Amenity Fees” are paying for.

Amenity fees pay for the upkeep of all the squares. That is why amenity fees paid for the replacement of the water tower and windmill in Brownwood Square and why our amenity fees are being tapped to replace the boat launch and dock on the Sumter Landing Square. Don’t confuse the developer’s owned businesses around the squares with the squares themselves. Our amenity fees pay for all costs related to the squares themselves. We own them.

[Bill14564]

Regardless of how you feel about the advertisements and commerce for new developments, the fact remains that outside developers are over building around The Villages. I wish Sumter County would take steps to restrict these cheap, horrible-looking housing projects.

The residents of Sumter County have had the same feelings about development of the Villages.

[rsimpson]

I think the developer should build more townhouses, condos, and apartments. A single family house is fine for a couple, but not as convenient for a person living alone. More Golf Courses First - Townhomes and Apartments put too man golfers per square acre!!

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Regardless of how you feel about the advertisements and commerce for new developments, the fact remains that outside developers are over building around The Villages. I wish Sumter County would take steps to restrict these cheap, horrible-looking housing projects.many of those so called cheap housing projects are giving working people with maybe lower incomes a nice clean place to live instead of an hour drive from some trailer or old home ,Those cute little houses would have looked like mansions to me, compared to the neighborhoods and projects I grew up in ,one neighborhood was so bad they tore it completely down.Everyone wants more service workers as long as they live somewhere else

[BrianL99]

Regardless of how you feel about the advertisements and commerce for new developments, the fact remains that outside developers are over building around The Villages. I wish Sumter County would take steps to restrict these cheap, horrible-looking housing projects.

Perhaps they county should step in and stop The Villages from building the stuff they're building down south?

[Normal]

Amenity fees pay for the upkeep of all the squares. That is why amenity fees paid for the replacement of the water tower and windmill in Brownwood Square and why our amenity fees are being tapped to replace the boat launch and dock on the Sumter Landing Square. Don’t confuse the developer’s owned businesses around the squares with the squares themselves. Our amenity fees pay for all costs related to the squares themselves. We own them.

Do bonds pay for town center infrastructure?

[kansasr]

Regardless of how you feel about the advertisements and commerce for new developments, the fact remains that outside developers are over building around The Villages. I wish Sumter County would take steps to restrict these cheap, horrible-looking housing projects.

And you'll be the first to complain when your your restaurant is slow or you can't get a medical appointment right away because the people who support us have no place to live in the area.

[Pairadocs]

Personally, I don't see anything illegal or unethical about advertising amenities that are open to the public.

Totally agree, maybe I'm missing something, but how can it be illegal or in any way unethical to refer to any and all public stores, areas, landmarks, etc. near where homes are being built ???? How could it be illegal or unethical to mention your new homes are near the Sharon performing arts center or not far from the Orange Blossom Opry in Weirsdale, Florida ???? Seems many agents and builders would advertise the location was handy to things... only a short distance to a variety of nightly entertainment at Lake Sumter Landing, Brownwood, Spanish Springs, etc. Seems what most builders would advertise !

[Pairadocs]

I think it is great inviting people to move in and use the free stuff in the Village. Helps the stores and allows our neighbors to come in to dance and listen to music and have a great time.

Totally agree. The Florida travel and tourism money (taxes paid by all in Florida) was always used by the villages merchants to fund the entertainment and draw people to the area. No idea if it's still funded that way, or if the merchants now equally share the expense, but certainly the more that can be attracted (even the new Costco might help attract some people from the surrounding area who may come primarily to shop at Costco, but plan to stay and eat dinner at a restaurant at one of the squares, perhaps stop at the Barnes and Nobel to make a purchase, have a drink from Starbucks after dinner while listening to the entertainers, etc. so all to our benefit !

[BrianL99]

Amenity fees pay for the upkeep of all the squares. That is why amenity fees paid for the replacement of the water tower and windmill in Brownwood Square and why our amenity fees are being tapped to replace the boat launch and dock on the Sumter Landing Square. Don’t confuse the developer’s owned businesses around the squares with the squares themselves. Our amenity fees pay for all costs related to the squares themselves. We own them.

Sort of. We don't pay for entertainment (we might soon). We don't pay for roads, sidewalks, curbs, or traffic lights, etc. The Square itself is owned by the Sumter Landing Community Development District, who rents it to the Developer for $25/night.

[Not to go down a deep rabbit hole, but .... I assume the Developer gets the "rent" from any businesses or vendors who do business in the Squares? Of course, the Developer also controls the Sumter Landing Community Development District, so it's no surprise he gets reasonable rent.]


Do bonds pay for town center infrastructure?

I'm fairly certain CDD Bonds were used to finance the construction of the infrastructure.

[Gatorfan1]

Personally, I don't see anything illegal or unethical about advertising amenities that are open to the public.

Squares receive tax dollars so open to public. Just like roads