FInd out when The Villages will have ocean front properties

[sounding]

The Villages Philosophy Club will examine this issue at 4 PM on Jan 17 at the Lake Miona Recreation Center.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Easy answer: It'll happen some time around 4093 AA (After the Apocalypse).

[fdpaq0580]

Easy answer: It'll happen some time around 4093 AA (After the Apocalypse).

Yes! And it will be on a Tuesday at 4:27 pm eastern standard time. Beautiful ocean sunset a few hours later.
Guaranteed or your money back.
🙂🙃🫠😉

[bopat]

I’d say sometime after Costco opens in The Villages

[fdpaq0580]

I’d say sometime after Costco opens in The Villages

Possibly.

[sounding]

The Villages Philosophy Club will examine this issue at 4 PM on Jan 17 at the Lake Miona Recreation Center.

Here's a clue to why sea level predictions are wrong ... Just a moment... (https://scitechdaily.com/glacier-experts-uncover-critical-flaw-in-sea-level-rise-predictions/)

[daniel200]

Many already have Golf frontage. Isn’t the Villages closer to the Golf?

[Taltarzac725]

Here's a clue to why sea level predictions are wrong ... Just a moment... (https://scitechdaily.com/glacier-experts-uncover-critical-flaw-in-sea-level-rise-predictions/)

Critical thinkers should be able to jump all over this.

[RICH1]

why would the ocean stop rising at the Villages? I've seen small creeks bend semi-trucks in half.

[defrey12]

The Villages Philosophy Club will examine this issue at 4 PM on Jan 17 at the Lake Miona Recreation Center.

This is a joke, right? This is NOT an issue last I checked.

[opinionist]

Let me guess.
When half of Florida is underwater due to global warming.
I heard that story, but it turned out to be not true.

[Andyb]

Too funny!

[Two Bills]

No concern of mine, my kids, or grands.
Not a problem.
Just another **** stir post.

[ehonour]

Well, this study says the mean surface temperature of the Earth 100 million years ago as perhaps as much as 20degC higher than today:
Just a moment... (https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adk3705)

And this study shows the changes in the continents over the last 100 million years, starting with a grouping that appears not to have significantly less land area than today:
Most detailed geological model reveals Earth’s past 100 million years - The University of Sydney (https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2023/03/03/most-detailed-geological-model-reveals-earths-past-100-million-years-science.html)

Cordially,
Doc Honour

[sounding]

No concern of mine, my kids, or grands.
Not a problem.
Just another **** stir post.

And Hansen is one of the best stir posts.

[rsmurano]

About the same time when pigs can fly or hell freezes over.

[Bill14564]

And Hansen is one of the best stir posts.

From this article about the controversy (https://skepticalscience.com/Hansen-West-Side-Highway.htm):

Bob Reiss reports the conversation as follows:

"When I interviewe**d James Hansen I asked him to speculate on what the view outside his office window could look like in 40 years with doubled CO2. I'd been trying to think of a way to discuss the greenhouse effect in a way that would make sense to average readers. I wasn't asking for hard scientific studies. It wasn't an academic interview. It was a discussion with a kind and thoughtful man who answered the question. You can find the descriptio**n in two of my books, most recently The Coming Storm."

James Hansen reports the conversation as follows:

"Reiss asked me to speculate on changes that might happen in New York City in 40 years assuming CO2 doubled in amount."

Please note that it is not 2028 and CO2 has not doubled.

[sounding]

From this article about the controversy (https://skepticalscience.com/Hansen-West-Side-Highway.htm):

Bob Reiss reports the conversation as follows:

"When I interviewe**d James Hansen I asked him to speculate on what the view outside his office window could look like in 40 years with doubled CO2. I'd been trying to think of a way to discuss the greenhouse effect in a way that would make sense to average readers. I wasn't asking for hard scientific studies. It wasn't an academic interview. It was a discussion with a kind and thoughtful man who answered the question. You can find the descriptio**n in two of my books, most recently The Coming Storm."

James Hansen reports the conversation as follows:

"Reiss asked me to speculate on changes that might happen in New York City in 40 years assuming CO2 doubled in amount."

Please note that it is not 2028 and CO2 has not doubled.

Hansen fails another forecast.

[jimkerr]

The Villages Philosophy Club will examine this issue at 4 PM on Jan 17 at the Lake Miona Recreation Center.

This sounds like a fun club.

[jimjamuser]

Critical thinkers should be able to jump all over this.
Arctic warming releases MASSIVE amounts of METHANE, a greenhouse gas which accelerated Global Warming. Polar bears and other mammals rely on ICE for hunting and protection - they are struggling to survive. The same is true for indigenous PEOPLE. past a certain point, climate recovery is nearly impossible.
........Permafrost is rapidly warming and drying out in Siberia and the Canadian Northwest Territory. Thawing permafrost can release stored carbon through the increased risk of fire. That will ADD to the CO2 in the upper atmosphere which reflects heat back to the Earth and our mid-latitudes.

[jimjamuser]

No concern of mine, my kids, or grands.
Not a problem.
Just another **** stir post.
Actually kids and grandchildren WILL be affected. WE are being affected as we speak. Last summer we had record HEAT in the Gulf and Atlantic ocean and we had the MOST PROPERTY DESTRUCTIVE hurricane to hit the US. I was affected last summer. I had to restrict my outdoor activities here in The Villages. Look at a graph of World HEAT for the last 10 years (all records). Also look at the graph of world population since about 1990 (a rapid spike upward).

[jimjamuser]

And Hansen is one of the best stir posts.
Icebergs are melting and the Oceans ARE rising today.

[jimjamuser]

About the same time when pigs can fly or hell freezes over.
A person can only AVOID science for so long.

[sounding]

Icebergs are melting and the Oceans ARE rising today.

That's like saying the sun comes up in the East. Oceans go Up & Down 400 feet each glaciation cycle. Sea levels were about 25 HIGHER during the prior Interglacial Warm Period. It's all natural -- except for the climate alarmism part.

[jimjamuser]

That's like saying the sun comes up in the East. Oceans go Up & Down 400 feet each glaciation cycle. Sea levels were about 25 HIGHER during the prior Interglacial Warm Period. It's all natural -- except for the climate alarmism part.
What happened in prehistorical time 1000 or 100,000 years ago has zero meaning as to what is happening today and what I am talking about. Old time geology is just a DISTRACTION which may SOUND (ing) good to try and obscure what is really happening today. Today I am talking about VERIFIABLE global heating happening in the last 5 or 10 years. And caused by the reflection of the Sun's heat back to the Earth that bounces back from a layer of CO2 and methane that has formed recently (10 years) because of rapid INCREASES of pollution caused by INCREASED world population and therefore more infernal combustion engines, more coal usage, and more industrial pollution. Merely look at the graphs for world population increase and graphs for CO2 and methane world pollution.They all increase in the last 10 years.
.........One does NOT have to read a book about what happened to the Earth 2 million years ago. One can just look outside their window and see the Internal combustion cars, trucks, and golf carts going by to DIRECTLY see the problem.
..........My famous quote..,.....The world that IGNORES Global Warming must SUFFER its consequences! Ignore your Mother, Mother Earth at your peril.

[Rodneysblue]

Well at the current rate of expansion…..

[sounding]

What happened in prehistorical time 1000 or 100,000 years ago has zero meaning as to what is happening today and what I am talking about. Old time geology is just a DISTRACTION which may SOUND (ing) good to try and obscure what is really happening today. Today I am talking about VERIFIABLE global heating happening in the last 5 or 10 years. And caused by the reflection of the Sun's heat back to the Earth that bounces back from a layer of CO2 and methane that has formed recently (10 years) because of rapid INCREASES of pollution caused by INCREASED world population and therefore more infernal combustion engines, more coal usage, and more industrial pollution. Merely look at the graphs for world population increase and graphs for CO2 and methane world pollution.They all increase in the last 10 years.
.........One does NOT have to read a book about what happened to the Earth 2 million years ago. One can just look outside their window and see the Internal combustion cars, trucks, and golf carts going by to DIRECTLY see the problem.
..........My famous quote..,.....The world that IGNORES Global Warming must SUFFER its consequences! Ignore your Mother, Mother Earth at your peril.

"Suffer the consequences"? .... so why are soooo many moving to Florida? We are approaching a climatic optimum -- thanx to global warming and increasing CO2.

[jedalton]

Ha Ha, what a joke

[CybrSage]

Hansen fails another forecast.

Al Gore was just as bad with his 'no glaciers remaining by 2015" prediction.

[CybrSage]

What happened in prehistorical time 1000 or 100,000 years ago has zero meaning as to what is happening today and what I am talking about.

What percentage of the current warming is caused by the well know natural warming that would be happening right now even if human never existed and what percentage of the warming is caused by humans? Go ahead and round to the nearest 5%. State the source as well.

Interested to see howich is our fault so we know how much we can stop.

Thanks!!

[gbs317]

I knew seven years ago The Villages will be from the Atlantic Ocean to the Gulf Coast and from Tallahassee to Miami and eventually we will be known as the state of The Villages.

[Bill14564]

What percentage of the current warming is caused by the well know natural warming that would be happening right now even if human never existed and what percentage of the warming is caused by humans? Go ahead and round to the nearest 5%. State the source as well.

Interested to see howich is our fault so we know how much we can stop.

Thanks!!

I remember that being done in another thread about six months ago. But, deniers deny so it was dismissed as being more lies, a remnant of a dinosaur passing gas 450 million years ago, a conspiracy by the govt to change all the thermometer readings, or just "LALALALALA I don't hear you."

A yearly number is likely impossible to calculate due to the complexity of the system. On the other hand, a 150(ish)-year trend has been widely published.

[Blueblaze]

Didn't Al Gore already explain when that was going to happen? 2017, right?

Hasn't happened for me yet, though. I think it must have only happened in Opposite World.

[defrey12]

No concern of mine, my kids, or grands.
Not a problem.
Just another **** stir post.

Oh…the sky is falling; the sky is falling!

[defrey12]

This sounds like a fun club.

Oh, yes…loads. Handwringing at its best.

[defrey12]

That's like saying the sun comes up in the East. Oceans go Up & Down 400 feet each glaciation cycle. Sea levels were about 25 HIGHER during the prior Interglacial Warm Period. It's all natural -- except for the climate alarmism part.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍☀️

[mraines]

Arctic warming releases MASSIVE amounts of METHANE, a greenhouse gas which accelerated Global Warming. Polar bears and other mammals rely on ICE for hunting and protection - they are struggling to survive. The same is true for indigenous PEOPLE. past a certain point, climate recovery is nearly impossible.
........Permafrost is rapidly warming and drying out in Siberia and the Canadian Northwest Territory. Thawing permafrost can release stored carbon through the increased risk of fire. That will ADD to the CO2 in the upper atmosphere which reflects heat back to the Earth and our mid-latitudes.
I think it is naive to think that the overpopulation of this planet has no effect on it. Most people want their creature comforts and are not willing to make changes to help this planet. Just take a walk down the laundry aisle in the grocery store. Plastic all the way. Try to find detergent in a cardboard box anymore. We are destroying this planet.

[sounding]

I think it is naive to think that the overpopulation of this planet has no effect on it. Most people want their creature comforts and are not willing to make changes to help this planet. Just take a walk down the laundry aisle in the grocery store. Plastic all the way. Try to find detergent in a cardboard box anymore. We are destroying this planet.

The climate narrative says destruction ... while the climate data says advancement.

[Bill14564]

The climate narrative says destruction ... while the climate data says advancement.

Finally, something we can agree on! Growing more food and feeding more people lowers the rate of famine! Good thing you had a graph for that, no one would have believed it otherwise. Now, what it has to do with plastic in the laundry aisle ....

[jimjamuser]

"Suffer the consequences"? .... so why are soooo many moving to Florida? We are approaching a climatic optimum -- thanx to global warming and increasing CO2.
Admitting that there is Global Warming and increasing CO2 is a step in the right direction. To solve a problem one must FIRST admit that there IS a problem. As to why so many are moving to Florida? that can ONLY be explained as group blindness and lack of knowledge. Personally, I have LOVINGLY counselled any and all that asked on TOTV to alter their plans to locate in Florida full time to try Georgia or the Carolinas. I also, have said that they will be fine and safe from HURRICANES if the have a 2nd house to go to up north during the 5 months of maximum chances of HURRICANES. last summer the Gulf and the Atlantic Ocean were at record temperatures, which are the engine that creates the recent KILLER HURRICANES. So I warn about summer in Florida. People ARE moving to Florida at too high a rate. Then they complain about not enough Doctors and too much road traffic. I tend to complain about them - too many people for the available resources. Notice that homes for sale are at INFLATED prices. Next summers HURRICANES could knock down many homes and make lots available at lower prices. The insurance companies know what I am saying is correct. That's why they are LEAVING Florida. The people just are NOT taking those HINTS.

[jimjamuser]

Al Gore was just as bad with his 'no glaciers remaining by 2015" prediction.
Actually Al Gore was like a Colonial hero (Paul Revere) riding around saying, "The British are Coming". In almost President Gores case he was an EARLY WARNING HERO for what is happening in the last 10 years. Take note that the North Pole and parts of Alaska and Siberia are worming at a rate of 4 times that at our latitudes. That SHOULD BE an early warning system for us. Ask....Why are all the Insurance companies LEAVING Florida. People are coming to Florida , but the insurance companies are leaving. Who is right? Just ask who has access to the most current and accurate information?

[Two Bills]

Oh…the sky is falling; the sky is falling!

Sorry, if you are concerned about all this, 'lets scare everyone' BS. That's your problem.
I really do not understand what all the panic is about.
Of course the climate is changing, it always has, but generations to come will survive, until they don't.
Really not my worry.

[jimjamuser]

What percentage of the current warming is caused by the well know natural warming that would be happening right now even if human never existed and what percentage of the warming is caused by humans? Go ahead and round to the nearest 5%. State the source as well.

Interested to see howich is our fault so we know how much we can stop.

Thanks!!
Just read what 95% of all Climate Scientists have to say. It can easily be found with a few Google clicks. The problem is that many really don't want to BELIEVE the TRUTH. History is full of disbelievers. Once it was thought that the Earth was flat and disbelievers were purged. There will always be anti-Science disbelievers.

[jimjamuser]

I knew seven years ago The Villages will be from the Atlantic Ocean to the Gulf Coast and from Tallahassee to Miami and eventually we will be known as the state of The Villages.
I would take that bet, but I can't live long enough to collect it.

[jimjamuser]

I think it is naive to think that the overpopulation of this planet has no effect on it. Most people want their creature comforts and are not willing to make changes to help this planet. Just take a walk down the laundry aisle in the grocery store. Plastic all the way. Try to find detergent in a cardboard box anymore. We are destroying this planet.
What is SAD to the MAX is that in destroying the planet we are SLOWLY destroying ourselves. Every gasoline golf cart that goes by (some speeding) driven by a smiling, happy individual...........probably has NO IDEA about how their own contribution is negatively affecting humanity and the Earth. Maybe after the next 10 years of increasing Heat and killer HURRICANES, the people in The Villages will finally EQUATE their CO2 emitting vehicles to the SLOW death of the Earth. Coal burning in China does NOT help also. Many Scientist believe that in 10 years we will reach a "TIPPING POINT" from which we can't recover. Why are so many (and so many older Villagers) willing to take that chance??????????

[SoCalGal]

This is a joke, right? This is NOT an issue last I checked.


This topic for discussion was suggested by Hank Johnson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs23CjIWMgA

[jimjamuser]

The climate narrative says destruction ... while the climate data says advancement.
The graph on the left is NOT correct. At least in the US where crop yields have decreased recently by about 10% because of years of over-fertilizing and lack of crop rotation. The graph on the right is likely correct - world famine deaths are decreasing. But, what people don't realize is that more people on the Earth are creating more CO2 and methane pollution which is warming the planet. Every animal (including MAN) on EARTH has a HOLDING CAPACITY, which depends on their resources (food etc) within their environment. For man wars and pestilence (diseases) hold the population down after going above an optimum population.
..........Health officials in the US are worried about RSV, Norovirus, and bird flu to name a few. The treat level is high. And the threat level for wars is also high

[sounding]

Admitting that there is Global Warming and increasing CO2 is a step in the right direction. To solve a problem one must FIRST admit that there IS a problem. As to why so many are moving to Florida? that can ONLY be explained as group blindness and lack of knowledge. Personally, I have LOVINGLY counselled any and all that asked on TOTV to alter their plans to locate in Florida full time to try Georgia or the Carolinas. I also, have said that they will be fine and safe from HURRICANES if the have a 2nd house to go to up north during the 5 months of maximum chances of HURRICANES. last summer the Gulf and the Atlantic Ocean were at record temperatures, which are the engine that creates the recent KILLER HURRICANES. So I warn about summer in Florida. People ARE moving to Florida at too high a rate. Then they complain about not enough Doctors and too much road traffic. I tend to complain about them - too many people for the available resources. Notice that homes for sale are at INFLATED prices. Next summers HURRICANES could knock down many homes and make lots available at lower prices. The insurance companies know what I am saying is correct. That's why they are LEAVING Florida. The people just are NOT taking those HINTS.

Leaving FL? Florida is the fastest growing state. One reason is global cooling.

[sounding]

The graph on the left is NOT correct. At least in the US where crop yields have decreased recently by about 10% because of years of over-fertilizing and lack of crop rotation. The graph on the right is likely correct - world famine deaths are decreasing. But, what people don't realize is that more people on the Earth are creating more CO2 and methane pollution which is warming the planet. Every animal (including MAN) on EARTH has a HOLDING CAPACITY, which depends on their resources (food etc) within their environment. For man wars and pestilence (diseases) hold the population down after going above an optimum population.
..........Health officials in the US are worried about RSV, Norovirus, and bird flu to name a few. The treat level is high. And the threat level for wars is also high

Graph is NOT correct? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/index-of-cereal-production-yield-and-land-use

[fdpaq0580]

What is SAD to the MAX is that in destroying the planet we are SLOWLY destroying ourselves.
Why are so many (and so many older Villagers) willing to take that chance??????????

Because, imo, they figure their time is short and they don't want anyone rocking their comfy little remaining lifeboat. In other words, pure selfishness. To hell with the future. To hell with everyone else. "I got mine, and I don’t give a flying fig about anyone else."
That's what I think. Sad, isn't it.

[fdpaq0580]

Leaving FL? Florida is the fastest growing state. One reason is global cooling.

Foolishness, I say, I say. (But you know that.)

[jimjamuser]

Leaving FL? Florida is the fastest growing state. One reason is global cooling.
The INSURANCE COMPANIES are leaving Florida. They are the smart people. The people moving here that are planning on staying year around are in for a surprise when the summer HEAT and HURRICANES wears on them.

[jimjamuser]

Graph is NOT correct? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/index-of-cereal-production-yield-and-land-use
The graph that can be clicked on is showing what I have been SAYING. Notice that after 2005 the cereal YIELD begins to LAG the cereal production. Thanks for illustrating my comments so well.

[fdpaq0580]

The graph that can be clicked on is showing what I have been SAYING. Notice that after 2005 the cereal YIELD begins to LAG the cereal production. Thanks for illustrating my comments so well.

Love it! 👍👍👍

[jimjamuser]

Because, imo, they figure their time is short and they don't want anyone rocking their comfy little remaining lifeboat. In other words, pure selfishness. To hell with the future. To hell with everyone else. "I got mine, and I don’t give a flying fig about anyone else."
That's what I think. Sad, isn't it.
Yes SAD AND IT SHOWS A willingness of an older generation to selfishly NOT consider the lives of the generations behind them. That is why ANY government should put TERM LIMITS on their representatives. Otherwise, the ancient older generation takes control and is MORE likely to start conflicts. It is said that the YOUNGER generation fights the wars that the OLDER generation starts.

[fdpaq0580]

Yes SAD AND IT SHOWS A willingness of an older generation to selfishly NOT consider the lives of the generations behind them. That is why ANY government should put TERM LIMITS on their representatives. Otherwise, the ancient older generation takes control and is MORE likely to start conflicts. It is said that the YOUNGER generation fights the wars that the OLDER generation starts.

Old protest song had the line, "you're old enough to kill, but not for voting". A reality check for many at the time.
As for the future, in my opinion, each generation has a responsibility to to protect and prepare for the next, and future, generations of our species. Paving a better path to the future means looking ahead, dealing with past mistakes, cleaning up our messes and leaving a better, cleaner, safer, more habitable and desirable planet than we inherited. Every generation is supposed to be smarter and more forward thinking. Not everyone agrees, apparently.

[jimkerr]

A person can only AVOID science for so long.

Remember when they told us to get our vaccines because of science? Yeah that turned out well.

[Bassdeer]

Let's see, Plymouth Rock sits on the edge of the sea. Over 400 years and still above water.
https://i.imgur.com/fiAB2f3.jpeg

[Blueblaze]

If overpopulation changes the environment, obviously, the only solution is a catastrophe that wipes out half of humanity, right? Waitaminit ... so the solution to surviving "Climate Change" is suicide?

Or here's another idea... we could use our brains to devise solutions.

Like we did when we quit burning coal because we discovered you could get the same energy from a 2' hole in the ground without all the soot -- and got plastics, chemistry, and modern world in the bargain. Or when we decided we didn't like choking on smog so we built cars that quit wasting half the gasoline we put into them, and invented the catalytic converter.

I lived in California when you could barely see across the street some days, and the desert valleys were perpetually full of gray smog. That's all gone now, even with twice the people. And even though we had droughts every year and 50mph Santa Ana winds 50 years ago, LA never burned to the ground. Maybe that's because 50 years ago they had twice the firemen per capita, and the city fathers weren't stupid enough to empty the reservoirs just in time for fire season.

The solution to the population problem is capitalism. When people get wealthy, they start thinking about other forms of entertainment and quit making kids. The only place in the world that has ever actually reduced its "carbon footprint" is AMERICA. We did it with natural gas, while we played around with toy windmills. Because we're rich.

The solution to climate change is technology. Just like when we threw another log on the fire to survive the last ice age, we will use technology to deal with whatever the climate throws at us this time, too, regardless of what caused it.

We just need to quit whining about how we wish things were and start dealing with how things actually are -- like grownups used to do.

[jimjamuser]

Remember when they told us to get our vaccines because of science? Yeah that turned out well.
Not sure what the point is here. Because all my life I have gotten all the shots that were available in the Air Force or in civilian life. It is only recently that it has become popular to SUSPECT vaccines. And what I SUSPECT is that Russian bots have a lot to do with NOT WANTING Americans to be healthy while finding ways to divide them. When I went to public schools I knew that my classmates were not carrying deadly diseases into my classroom. Today kids do NOT HAVE that guarantee. Talk about devolution!

[jimjamuser]

Let's see, Plymouth Rock sits on the edge of the sea. Over 400 years and still above water.
https://i.imgur.com/fiAB2f3.jpeg
Scientists are capable of measuring the world's oceans and in the last 10 years they have been rising rapidly. But remember that one inch of rise can doom some island peoples. People in Miami are aware that the oceans are rising. Hotels on Miami Beach have water rising problems.

[jimjamuser]

If overpopulation changes the environment, obviously, the only solution is a catastrophe that wipes out half of humanity, right? Waitaminit ... so the solution to surviving "Climate Change" is suicide?

Or here's another idea... we could use our brains to devise solutions.

Like we did when we quit burning coal because we discovered you could get the same energy from a 2' hole in the ground without all the soot -- and got plastics, chemistry, and modern world in the bargain. Or when we decided we didn't like choking on smog so we built cars that quit wasting half the gasoline we put into them, and invented the catalytic converter.

I lived in California when you could barely see across the street some days, and the desert valleys were perpetually full of gray smog. That's all gone now, even with twice the people. And even though we had droughts every year and 50mph Santa Ana winds 50 years ago, LA never burned to the ground. Maybe that's because 50 years ago they had twice the firemen per capita, and the city fathers weren't stupid enough to empty the reservoirs just in time for fire season.

The solution to the population problem is capitalism. When people get wealthy, they start thinking about other forms of entertainment and quit making kids. The only place in the world that has ever actually reduced its "carbon footprint" is AMERICA. We did it with natural gas, while we played around with toy windmills. Because we're rich.

The solution to climate change is technology. Just like when we threw another log on the fire to survive the last ice age, we will use technology to deal with whatever the climate throws at us this time, too, regardless of what caused it.

We just need to quit whining about how we wish things were and start dealing with how things actually are -- like grownups used to do.
The solution is what is happening naturally. People in the US and other 1st world countries are having fewer children. The US has a death rate greater than its birth rate. Same for other 1st world countries. In the US people can't make enough money to afford down payments on homes.

[fdpaq0580]

We just need to quit whining about how we wish things were and start dealing with how things actually are -- like grownups used to do.

First order of business is agree there is a problem. Many refuse to do that.
Second, figure which technologies are needed and which are no longer needed. A little tougher since not all countries have the same level of technology available.
Third, dealing with different cultures and religions. This is tough for many reasons. Blind faith has no reason.

Not as easy as it might seem, with so many groups to satisfy, and so many who will need help, and so many power/control mad .... Best stop here and hope science will be able to show the powers that be that doing the right thing is undeniably in their own best interest.

[jimjamuser]

If overpopulation changes the environment, obviously, the only solution is a catastrophe that wipes out half of humanity, right? Waitaminit ... so the solution to surviving "Climate Change" is suicide?

Or here's another idea... we could use our brains to devise solutions.

Like we did when we quit burning coal because we discovered you could get the same energy from a 2' hole in the ground without all the soot -- and got plastics, chemistry, and modern world in the bargain. Or when we decided we didn't like choking on smog so we built cars that quit wasting half the gasoline we put into them, and invented the catalytic converter.

I lived in California when you could barely see across the street some days, and the desert valleys were perpetually full of gray smog. That's all gone now, even with twice the people. And even though we had droughts every year and 50mph Santa Ana winds 50 years ago, LA never burned to the ground. Maybe that's because 50 years ago they had twice the firemen per capita, and the city fathers weren't stupid enough to empty the reservoirs just in time for fire season.

The solution to the population problem is capitalism. When people get wealthy, they start thinking about other forms of entertainment and quit making kids. The only place in the world that has ever actually reduced its "carbon footprint" is AMERICA. We did it with natural gas, while we played around with toy windmills. Because we're rich.

The solution to climate change is technology. Just like when we threw another log on the fire to survive the last ice age, we will use technology to deal with whatever the climate throws at us this time, too, regardless of what caused it.

We just need to quit whining about how we wish things were and start dealing with how things actually are -- like grownups used to do.
You can't fix a problem unless you FIRST identify the problem. Pretending that there is no Global Warming will NOT make it go away. Next summers hurricanes will not just go away.

[sounding]

Not sure what the point is here. Because all my life I have gotten all the shots that were available in the Air Force or in civilian life. It is only recently that it has become popular to SUSPECT vaccines. And what I SUSPECT is that Russian bots have a lot to do with NOT WANTING Americans to be healthy while finding ways to divide them. When I went to public schools I knew that my classmates were not carrying deadly diseases into my classroom. Today kids do NOT HAVE that guarantee. Talk about devolution!

When a drug maker is immune to prosecution -- you know it's not safe.

[Bassdeer]

Scientists are capable of measuring the world's oceans and in the last 10 years they have been rising rapidly. But remember that one inch of rise can doom some island peoples. People in Miami are aware that the oceans are rising. Hotels on Miami Beach have water rising problems.

Yea lets believe the science like we did with covid. You're an Idiot. :22yikes:

[mtdjed]

Arctic warming releases MASSIVE amounts of METHANE, a greenhouse gas which accelerated Global Warming. Polar bears and other mammals rely on ICE for hunting and protection - they are struggling to survive. The same is true for indigenous PEOPLE. past a certain point, climate recovery is nearly impossible.
........Permafrost is rapidly warming and drying out in Siberia and the Canadian Northwest Territory. Thawing permafrost can release stored carbon through the increased risk of fire. That will ADD to the CO2 in the upper atmosphere which reflects heat back to the Earth and our mid-latitudes.

Ok here we go again. SOS

[fdpaq0580]

Yea lets believe the science like we did with covid. You're an Idiot. :22yikes:

Talking to a mirror?

[fdpaq0580]

Remember when they told us to get our vaccines because of science? Yeah that turned out well.

I've had no problems. Wonder what you could be referring to. One person I knew very well did not get vaccinated, but he did get polio.

[fdpaq0580]

Let's see, Plymouth Rock sits on the edge of the sea. Over 400 years and still above water.
https://i.imgur.com/fiAB2f3.jpeg

You know, of course you do, that Plymouth rock has been moved several times in the last few centuries. That photo and the dialog that is used by (dare I say "deniers) as proof the oceans aren't rising has been debunked long ago and many times. What, one wonders, are you playing at? And, do you think anyone will fall for the false implication? Well, maybe I can think of some who might fall for it.

[fdpaq0580]

Ok here we go again. SOS

Is that your breakfast request? S--t On (a) Shingle?
Actually, creamed chipped beef on toast sounds great! I'll make that for three Mrs and me tomorrow morning.

[Bassdeer]

You know, of course you do, that Plymouth rock has been moved several times in the last few centuries. That photo and the dialog that is used by (dare I say "deniers) as proof the oceans aren't rising has been debunked long ago and many times. What, one wonders, are you playing at? And, do you think anyone will fall for the false implication? Well, maybe I can think of some who might fall for it.

Did you pull a Wikipedia on me? Been in the same spot since 1920. I can see when we move there in 2026 we won't be hanging out together. Nice thing is there's a new sheriff in town today. Life is good.:BigApplause:

[sounding]

Did you pull a Wikipedia on me? Been in the same spot since 1920. I can see when we move there in 2026 we won't be hanging out together. Nice thing is there's a new sheriff in town today. Life is good.:BigApplause:

Nice. Hope everyone is enjoying global warming -- and it's just getting started.

[fdpaq0580]

Did you pull a Wikipedia on me? Been in the same spot since 1920. I can see when we move there in 2026 we won't be hanging out together. Nice thing is there's a new sheriff in town today. Life is good.:BigApplause:

1920. So the reference of 400 years was knowingly misleading? Why?
We won't be hanging out together for one reason. I'm staying here. Enjoy Plymouth.
And, yes, life is good. But it could always be better.

[sounding]

1920. So the reference of 400 years was knowingly misleading? Why?
We won't be hanging out together for one reason. I'm staying here. Enjoy Plymouth.
And, yes, life is good. But it could always be better.

And thanks to global warming and increasing CO2 -- life is getting better.

[fdpaq0580]

And thanks to global warming and increasing CO2 -- life is getting better.

Maybe (or maybe not) for "life" in general, but certainty not for humanity or other lifeforms that thrive best in more temperate climates.

PS; Nice picture. Shows signs of former(?) human activity, but nothing at present. In fact, I notice a total lack of animal life. Only plants.

[jimjamuser]

Ok here we go again. SOS
Yes, the Earth is sending out an SOS (save our soil and water). What is written in post 66 can easily be checked. One just has to read about what is happening in the Arctic. The Arctic is like an early warning system for our mid latitudes. The Arctic is warming at a rate 4 times faster than we are at our mid latitudes. If the permafrost starts burning then MORE CO2 will be released into the atmosphere.

[jimjamuser]

You know, of course you do, that Plymouth rock has been moved several times in the last few centuries. That photo and the dialog that is used by (dare I say "deniers) as proof the oceans aren't rising has been debunked long ago and many times. What, one wonders, are you playing at? And, do you think anyone will fall for the false implication? Well, maybe I can think of some who might fall for it.
Funny how climate deniers knock themselves out to TRY and disprove what 95% of all climate scientists are telling them - that the Earth is HEATING up and that is bad. Why are they avoiding something that is SO OBVIOUS. And don't they REALIZE that their children and grandchildren are going to INHERIT an Earth that will make it HARDER for them to succeed? Their minds have been taken by propaganda that has been successfully emanated from those that make their money from the biggest pollution scam in the History of the World - namely the oil and gasoline industry that refuses to DIE. They say that it is better for the Earth to DIE than their money making CONSPIRACY.

[jimjamuser]

Nice. Hope everyone is enjoying global warming -- and it's just getting started.
That's ACTUALLY TRUE. Global Warming will continue. 2024 was the HOTTEST year for the Earth on record (since such records were kept). Look at a graph for global heating. It rises greatly in the last 10 years. The summer of 2025 will be another RECORD hot mess. So, enjoy the results of the CO2 and methane that is coming out of the tailpipes of the GASOLINE Golf Carts, gas cars and trucks, Chinese COAL burning, and US industrial pollution. Incidentally, WE the US of A could help cut down the coal use in China because the US is their biggest customer. We may pay less for their export products, but it comes with the price tag of additional Global Warming and HURRICANES in our backyard. So, Tik Tok that into the environmental EQUATION !!!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

And thanks to global warming and increasing CO2 -- life is getting better.
I can tell you-all something interesting and funny. Almost everyone believes that an orange-red sunset is sssooo beautiful. And, I agree, it is beautiful. But, it is colorful because of all the pollution in the air. That's what gives a sunset its reddish GLOW. Forrest fires and volcanic eruptions can cause intense RED sunsets

[fdpaq0580]

Funny how climate deniers knock themselves out to TRY and disprove what 95% of all climate scientists are telling them - that the Earth is HEATING up and that is bad. Why are they avoiding something that is SO OBVIOUS. And don't they REALIZE that their children and grandchildren are going to INHERIT an Earth that will make it HARDER for them to succeed? Their minds have been taken by propaganda that has been successfully emanated from those that make their money from the biggest pollution scam in the History of the World - namely the oil and gasoline industry that refuses to DIE. They say that it is better for the Earth to DIE than their money making CONSPIRACY.

They (mistakenly in my opinion) have hitched themselves to a (bad for them, but great for their leaders) philosophy and they accept lies, misleading statements and misdirection as gospel. Like going to a magic show! They aren't there to see truth. They are there to be thrilled by illusion and they want to believe it is real, and they will argue that it must be real because they can't imagine how they were fooled. Even if you show them the wires and trap doors, they still won't get it because the double talk impresses them. Reality is not as much fun and makes them feel used and foolish. So they try and buy into and continue to pass proven falsehood off as proof. Example, see "Plymouth rock. 400 years and still above water". They purposely try to pass lies hoping nobody will notice. And when they get caught they feel no shame. They are doing their lords work, in a manner of speaking. We won't change them. Change must come from within, and they are addicted to alternative reality.
I know, jimjam, it's pretty disappointing. But keep up the good work and over time some may learn. TMO, for what it's worth.

[ElDiabloJoe]

This sounds like a fun club.
I can guess exactly what this club is like. It is, I'm certain, exactly like any of the Mensa meetings I used to attend. To wit, a bunch of academics, nerds, socially awkward, one-topic ninnies who all think they are smarter than everyone around them pontificating on their respective opinions while wondering why they have such trouble getting laid.

Yeah, my CL is 98% that this is how the group is composed.

[Blueblaze]

You can't fix a problem unless you FIRST identify the problem. Pretending that there is no Global Warming will NOT make it go away. Next summers hurricanes will not just go away.

If you wait a hundred years to turn down the thermostat to your liking, billions will die from your prescriptions from starvation in the meantime -- and long after you're gone.

Better to accept the world as we find it and deal with it than wish we can change it five generations from now. I'm not going to tell 4 billion people to drop dead so we can have the same climate we had the day I was born when there were only 3 billion of us. I'd rather use the resources God gave us to bring the wealth we enjoy to the rest of the world, so we can somehow find a way to exist in a world that's 2 degrees warmer.

It really doesn't matter what caused "climate change" or if it's even real. If you're afraid of hurricanes (which are demonstrably neither more frequent or devastating than they ever were), you'd be wiser to build a stronger house than wait for 4 billion people to die so they'll quit burning carbon.

It's called COMMON SENSE.

[ElDiabloJoe]

...

It's called COMMON SENSE.

Common sense and the lack of a hysterical personality/condition.

[jimjamuser]

If you wait a hundred years to turn down the thermostat to your liking, billions will die from your prescriptions from starvation in the meantime -- and long after you're gone.

Better to accept the world as we find it and deal with it than wish we can change it five generations from now. I'm not going to tell 4 billion people to drop dead so we can have the same climate we had the day I was born when there were only 3 billion of us. I'd rather use the resources God gave us to bring the wealth we enjoy to the rest of the world, so we can somehow find a way to exist in a world that's 2 degrees warmer.

It really doesn't matter what caused "climate change" or if it's even real. If you're afraid of hurricanes (which are demonstrably neither more frequent or devastating than they ever were), you'd be wiser to build a stronger house than wait for 4 billion people to die so they'll quit burning carbon.

It's called COMMON SENSE.
Well, it does matter what "caused" climate change because to fix a problem, people need to 1st identify the problem. And YES, it IS real. Yes, build a stronger house - a domed house. You don't need 4 billion people to die - you just need there to be less births in the !st world nations that use up all the world's raw materials. People in the US are having fewer babies because there is no longer a middle class. The wealth all resides in the upper, upper classes. And the middle class people that would have babies can't afford to buy a new starter home. The US has more deaths than births just like Japan and other 1st world countries. So the US would SELF-CORRECT its own problems if left alone. But, rich people ALWAYS like plenty of population so they can get WAGE SLAVES to raise their children and clean their homes and become butlers. So they will arrange to bring in more immigrants - legal or otherwise - they don't care.
......Most of those 4 BILLION people mentioned don't have cars. They just work the land and grow crops. it is the 1st world people that cause all the Heat causing pollution.

[jimjamuser]

If you wait a hundred years to turn down the thermostat to your liking, billions will die from your prescriptions from starvation in the meantime -- and long after you're gone.

Better to accept the world as we find it and deal with it than wish we can change it five generations from now. I'm not going to tell 4 billion people to drop dead so we can have the same climate we had the day I was born when there were only 3 billion of us. I'd rather use the resources God gave us to bring the wealth we enjoy to the rest of the world, so we can somehow find a way to exist in a world that's 2 degrees warmer.

It really doesn't matter what caused "climate change" or if it's even real. If you're afraid of hurricanes (which are demonstrably neither more frequent or devastating than they ever were), you'd be wiser to build a stronger house than wait for 4 billion people to die so they'll quit burning carbon.

It's called COMMON SENSE.
Sentence #4......"to bring the wealth we enjoy to the rest of the world".......that is NOT even Capitalism. That is strangely more like Communism. I am sure that was NOT intended. 1st sentence.......sort of confusing, but my goal is to replace gasoline vehicles with ELECTRIC ones.....no more, no less. Not a HIDDEN agenda.

[bopat]

I can tell you-all something interesting and funny. Almost everyone believes that an orange-red sunset is sssooo beautiful. And, I agree, it is beautiful. But, it is colorful because of all the pollution in the air. That's what gives a sunset its reddish GLOW. Forrest fires and volcanic eruptions can cause intense RED sunsets


Not really.
It’s also water vapor.
-Roy G Biv

[Blueblaze]

Sentence #4......"to bring the wealth we enjoy to the rest of the world".......that is NOT even Capitalism. That is strangely more like Communism. I am sure that was NOT intended. 1st sentence.......sort of confusing, but my goal is to replace gasoline vehicles with ELECTRIC ones.....no more, no less. Not a HIDDEN agenda.

Everything you just said is demonstrably untrue. China was destitute for millennia -- until they embraced capitalism. The current generation is the first one able to feed it's billions -- and there are more of them than ever before. Mao couldn't do it, even after starving 50 million of them. In fact, this is the first generation in the history of mankind worldwide where starvation isn't rule. Capitalism, technology, wealth, and fossil fuels did that, not communism, which is nothing more than a scientific-sounding name for feudalism..

And until you find a way to replace fossil fuels, electric vehicles merely make the problem worse, due to the inefficiency of burning the fossil fuel 50 miles away, and sending it over wires to store in a battery that requires more carbon to make than it ever saves. You aren't replacing anything by mowing down forests for windmills and photocells that only produce power 50% of the time under the best conditions. We need a new technology. You won't get new technology by rolling back the progress of the last 100 years.

Figure out a way to save the climate that doesn't involve starving billions, and I'll get interested. In the mean time, we have much more pressing problems to solve than the weather 100 years from now. For instance, there are still about 15,000 nukes pointed at us that could end ALL life on Earth over a computer glitch.

How about a little common sense for once?

[sounding]

Everything you just said is demonstrably untrue. China was destitute for millennia -- until they embraced capitalism. The current generation is the first one able to feed it's billions -- and there are more of them than ever before. Mao couldn't do it, even after starving 50 million of them. In fact, this is the first generation in the history of mankind worldwide where starvation isn't rule. Capitalism, technology, wealth, and fossil fuels did that, not communism, which is nothing more than a scientific-sounding name for feudalism..

And until you find a way to replace fossil fuels, electric vehicles merely make the problem worse, due to the inefficiency of burning the fossil fuel 50 miles away, and sending it over wires to store in a battery that requires more carbon to make than it ever saves. You aren't replacing anything by mowing down forests for windmills and photocells that only produce power 50% of the time under the best conditions. We need a new technology. You won't get new technology by rolling back the progress of the last 100 years.

Figure out a way to save the climate that doesn't involve starving billions, and I'll get interested. In the mean time, we have much more pressing problems to solve than the weather 100 years from now. For instance, there are still about 15,000 nukes pointed at us that could end ALL life on Earth over a computer glitch.

How about a little common sense for once?

Ditto. Common sense says there is no climate change crisis -- just a climate alarmism crisis.

[fdpaq0580]

Ditto. Common sense says there is no climate change crisis -- just a climate alarmism crisis.

Common sense? Common Sense? Don't make me laugh! "Common sense" would have us believe the earth is flat? Common sense would have us believe the sun and moon stars and planets revolve around the Earth. Common sense is all that uneducated ancients had to try and figure out what was happening all around them. Their answered to thunder and lightning, earth quakes and floods, plagues and famine and disease was gods, demons, witches and sorcery. Common sense doesn't seek to find truth, only an easy answer. Common sense doesn't care about what really went on through out the ages of Earth's history, or the cosmos, or the future. Common sense only cares about here and now and not falling off your chair.
What science does is use extraordinary sense, expanded sense. Science doesn't use Common sense to cures for diseases, or see if we can fly faster than the speed of sound (once thought impossible), or even if we could fly (also once thought impossible).
Sorry, friends, but common sense isn't good enough for identifying and finding remedies for the complex problems of this new age.

[sounding]

Common sense? Common Sense? Don't make me laugh! "Common sense" would have us believe the earth is flat? Common sense would have us believe the sun and moon stars and planets revolve around the Earth. Common sense is all that uneducated ancients had to try and figure out what was happening all around them. Their answered to thunder and lightning, earth quakes and floods, plagues and famine and disease was gods, demons, witches and sorcery. Common sense doesn't seek to find truth, only an easy answer. Common sense doesn't care about what really went on through out the ages of Earth's history, or the cosmos, or the future. Common sense only cares about here and now and not falling off your chair.
What science does is use extraordinary sense, expanded sense. Science doesn't use Common sense to cures for diseases, or see if we can fly faster than the speed of sound (once thought impossible), or even if we could fly (also once thought impossible).
Sorry, friends, but common sense isn't good enough for identifying and finding remedies for the complex problems of this new age.

Sorry folks -- as of today the climate crisis was cancelled along with the green new deal. Alarmists will now have to find a new scam to work.

[fdpaq0580]

Sorry folks -- as of today the climate crisis was cancelled along with the green new deal. Alarmists will now have to find a new scam to work.

Actually, the "crisis" has not been cancelled. It is still there. You just aren't looking at it. Like the snake in the grass, it will still bite you, but you will be surprised. Why? Because it isn't a scam.
Now, we could talk about scams, but that might get the moderator to use their magic wand, and we don't want that, do we. Plus, it's past my bed time.
Have a good night. 😴😴😴

[Blueblaze]

Common sense? Common Sense? Don't make me laugh! "Common sense" would have us believe the earth is flat? Common sense would have us believe the sun and moon stars and planets revolve around the Earth. Common sense is all that uneducated ancients had to try and figure out what was happening all around them. Their answered to thunder and lightning, earth quakes and floods, plagues and famine and disease was gods, demons, witches and sorcery. Common sense doesn't seek to find truth, only an easy answer. Common sense doesn't care about what really went on through out the ages of Earth's history, or the cosmos, or the future. Common sense only cares about here and now and not falling off your chair.
What science does is use extraordinary sense, expanded sense. Science doesn't use Common sense to cures for diseases, or see if we can fly faster than the speed of sound (once thought impossible), or even if we could fly (also once thought impossible).
Sorry, friends, but common sense isn't good enough for identifying and finding remedies for the complex problems of this new age.

Nobody is arguing against science, merely the politicization of science.

My son-in-law is a scientist and AG professor, with a PhD in the correct discipline to have an opinion on climate change. He lost tenure for merely pointing out in a break room conversation that the polar caps on Mars recede and grow at the same rate as Earth's, suggesting that our current warming trend could have something to do with the variable star we live next to -- maybe even more than a .04% CO2 level, which always increases during warming trends, anyway.

Firing a scientist for questioning a prevailing theory is not science -- that's politics.

Common sense applies when you're worried about a hurricane blowing away your house and you think the solution is to starve 4 billion people in order to turn the thermostat down generations from now.

Common sense says use technology to solve the problems we can solve now and use science to solve the problems of the future without killing billions of people in the process.

[fdpaq0580]

Nobody is arguing against science, merely the politicization of science.

My son-in-law is a scientist and AG professor, with a PhD in the correct discipline to have an opinion on climate change. He lost tenure for merely pointing out in a break room conversation that the polar caps on Mars recede and grow at the same rate as Earth's, suggesting that our current warming trend could have something to do with the variable star we live next to -- maybe even more than a .04% CO2 level, which always increases during warming trends, anyway.

Firing a scientist for questioning a prevailing theory is not science -- that's politics.

Common sense applies when you're worried about a hurricane blowing away your house and you think the solution is to starve 4 billion people in order to turn the thermostat down generations from now.

Common sense says use technology to solve the problems we can solve now and use science to solve the problems of the future without killing billions of people in the process.

First, sorry that your son lost his job, but I'd be willing to bet the barn that there is more to that story, whether you know it or not.
As to the starving of 4 billion people, that makes no sense because nobody wants to run the thermostat down. That would send us backwards towards an ice age. We, at least I, would like to see us take our boot off the warming distruction of the planet. Stop cutting rain forests (that provide oxygen for us to breath) and replacing them with coffee plantations that provide far less oxygen. Stop polluting the land, sea, rivers, lakes and the air. Stop applauding folks who have more than 2 kids. Over population is, imo, the root of all humanities woes. (Nobody has to kill anybody. Cutting the birth rate means more of everything for the living, a better quality of life). Cut the use of fossil fuels and replace them when we can with other, cleaner sources of energy. My list goes on, but the basic idea is for human beings to help make our planet a healthier, cleaner, better, bio-rich place for our species to engage in more ethical pursuits than the petty squabbles over wealth, land and power.
We've "paved paradise and put up a parking lot". Think how it could be if we could "get ourselves back to the garden", knowing what we know now.

[sounding]

First, sorry that your son lost his job, but I'd be willing to bet the barn that there is more to that story the that, whether you know it or not.
As to the starving of 4 billion people, that makes no sense because nobody wants to fun the thermostat down. That would send us backwards towards an ice age. We, at least I, would like to see us take our boot off the warming distruction of the planet. Stop cutting rain forests (that provide oxygen for us to breath) and replacing them with coffee plantations that provide far less oxygen. Stop polluting the land, sea, rivers, lakes and the air. Stop applauding folks who have more than 2 kids. Over population is, imo, the root of all humanities woes. (Nobody has to kill anybody. Cutting the birth rate means more of everything for the living, a better quality of life). Cut the use of fossil fuels and replace them when we can with other, cleaner sources of energy. My list goes on, but the basic idea is for human beings to help make our planet a healthier, cleaner, better, bio-rich place for our species to engage in more ethical pursuits than the petty squabbles over wealth, land and power.
We've "paved paradise and put up a parking lot". Think how it could be if we could "get ourselves back to the garden", knowing what we know now.

Notice that the northern tip of The Villages is in a Winter Weather alert -- for tomorrow. Green energy users will have problems staying safe and warm.

[fdpaq0580]

Notice that the northern tip of The Villages is in a Winter Weather alert -- for tomorrow. Green energy users will have problems staying safe and warm.

Green energy users will be fine.
By the way, I said cut back on fossil fuels when we can. Not delete them. Until alternative energy sources are up to snuff, we may, on occasion , need to temporarily supplement our green, primary sources.

[jimjamuser]

Sentence #4......"to bring the wealth we enjoy to the rest of the world".......that is NOT even Capitalism. That is strangely more like Communism. I am sure that was NOT intended. 1st sentence.......sort of confusing, but my goal is to replace gasoline vehicles with ELECTRIC ones.....no more, no less. Not a HIDDEN agenda.
And Electric cars, trucks, and golf carts are easier and cheaper to maintain. They have engines with circular motion. Unlike infernal combustion engines which have pistons slapping up and down and require a crankshaft to change the up and down motion into rotary motion. Electric vehicles are inherently MORE dependable than ICE vehicles. And they have almost ZERO pollution, which makes them a key ingredient in SLOWING down Global WARMING.

[mtdjed]

PLease Mr Moderator . Please put a stop to these self declared experts. Let anybody say anything about water and we get the same lectures.

[Moderator]

PLease Mr Moderator . Please put a stop to these self declared experts. Let anybody say anything about water and we get the same lectures.

The Forum has an Ignore User function.

Ignore List (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist)

Ms. Moderator :024:

[ElDiabloJoe]

The Forum has an Ignore User function.

Ignore List (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/profile.php?do=ignorelist)

Ms. Moderator :024:
Some posters, regardless of how much one wishes to ignore them, are like watching the inevitable train wreck. One just cannot peel one's eyes off the impending calamity. However, your point is duly noted. Is there a way to "Ignore Topics" and entire topics can be ignored. Ya know, like climate change or politics or gas vs electric? Now THAT would be a cool forum feature.

[jimjamuser]

Everything you just said is demonstrably untrue. China was destitute for millennia -- until they embraced capitalism. The current generation is the first one able to feed it's billions -- and there are more of them than ever before. Mao couldn't do it, even after starving 50 million of them. In fact, this is the first generation in the history of mankind worldwide where starvation isn't rule. Capitalism, technology, wealth, and fossil fuels did that, not communism, which is nothing more than a scientific-sounding name for feudalism..

And until you find a way to replace fossil fuels, electric vehicles merely make the problem worse, due to the inefficiency of burning the fossil fuel 50 miles away, and sending it over wires to store in a battery that requires more carbon to make than it ever saves. You aren't replacing anything by mowing down forests for windmills and photocells that only produce power 50% of the time under the best conditions. We need a new technology. You won't get new technology by rolling back the progress of the last 100 years.

Figure out a way to save the climate that doesn't involve starving billions, and I'll get interested. In the mean time, we have much more pressing problems to solve than the weather 100 years from now. For instance, there are still about 15,000 nukes pointed at us that could end ALL life on Earth over a computer glitch.

How about a little common sense for once?
I can state what I believe to be common sense. World temperatures for the last 10 years have been INCREASING each year. It is easy to google a graph of that. A graph of world population starts rising in about 1990 and the graph looks similar to that of World Temperatures. That is because they are related. I can easily state how to save the world from excess Global Warming, but 95% of all Climate Scientist have been saying how for years and nobody listened. In fact everybody's favorite almost President Al, the injured by slings and arrows, Gore told everyone many, many years ago. The rich 1% ( many of them owner of gas and oil stocks) got their LOBBYIST cronies for the oil and gas to use humor to decry VP Gore's EARLY, but CORRECT warnings.
.......Note......I said NOTHING about Mao and Chinese history.
........The wires that move electrical energy have negligible power loss because the transformers can get the Voltage up so the current is LOW. POWER equals Current times Voltage.
.....And in paragraph 2......Most windmills are located in places that originally do not have forests, such as out west at the tops of rocky mountains or on the sea coast or in sea water.

[jimjamuser]

Some posters, regardless of how much one wishes to ignore them, are like watching the inevitable train wreck. One just cannot peel one's eyes off the impending calamity. However, your point is duly noted. Is there a way to "Ignore Topics" and entire topics can be ignored. Ya know, like climate change or politics or gas vs electric? Now THAT would be a cool forum feature.
One way to ignore topics would be to go FISHING at a Villages lake. but, remember to put the fish back (gently) because they can't be eaten. I wonder what the environmental implications of that are.
.........The point is that all humans exist in an environment and talking about how to improve that is how human life can IMPROVE. One way humans improve themselves and their friends is to have loving and informative DISCUSSIONS on ALL subjects. "Whose a nice puppy"? "Whose afraid of a little discussion?"

[fdpaq0580]

PLease Mr Moderator . Please put a stop to these self declared experts. Let anybody say anything about water and we get the same lectures.

1. I never declared myself as an expert. But I listen to experts and pass along what I learn.
2. Sexism? What about Ms, Miss, Mrs, or other "title"?
3. Stopping people from saying things that do not break the rules is censorship. Hardly the job for the Moderator.
4. Nobody is forcing you to participate. I could be wrong.

[fdpaq0580]

Some posters, regardless of how much one wishes to ignore them, are like watching the inevitable train wreck. One just cannot peel one's eyes off the impending calamity. However, your point is duly noted. Is there a way to "Ignore Topics" and entire topics can be ignored. Ya know, like climate change or politics or gas vs electric? Now THAT would be a cool forum feature.

We already possess that function. It is your finger, powered by your brain. Want to ignore a certain subject thread. Don't click on it. If you make a mistake, no worry, just click off. No one will know you were there. Easy, peasy.

[jbartle1]

The Villages Philosophy Club will examine this issue at 4 PM on Jan 17 at the Lake Miona Recreation Center.

Cardiologists friend, sold their oceanfront home, couldn’t afford the insurance and taxes in NC, fyi

[fdpaq0580]

Cardiologists friend, sold their oceanfront home, couldn’t afford the insurance and taxes in NC, fyi

Ripping yarn! Please elaborate. Inquiring minds want to know!

[Blueblaze]

First, sorry that your son lost his job, but I'd be willing to bet the barn that there is more to that story, whether you know it or not.
As to the starving of 4 billion people, that makes no sense because nobody wants to run the thermostat down. That would send us backwards towards an ice age. We, at least I, would like to see us take our boot off the warming distruction of the planet. Stop cutting rain forests (that provide oxygen for us to breath) and replacing them with coffee plantations that provide far less oxygen. Stop polluting the land, sea, rivers, lakes and the air. Stop applauding folks who have more than 2 kids. Over population is, imo, the root of all humanities woes. (Nobody has to kill anybody. Cutting the birth rate means more of everything for the living, a better quality of life). Cut the use of fossil fuels and replace them when we can with other, cleaner sources of energy. My list goes on, but the basic idea is for human beings to help make our planet a healthier, cleaner, better, bio-rich place for our species to engage in more ethical pursuits than the petty squabbles over wealth, land and power.
We've "paved paradise and put up a parking lot". Think how it could be if we could "get ourselves back to the garden", knowing what we know now.

Yes, no doubt, that was not the single incident that caused my son-in-law to lose tenure. He is a very sober and intelligent man, and I imagine there were other incidents where he attempted to inject logic into the religious arguments over the causes of so-called "climate change".

But there is a somewhat happy ending to the story. He was not fired -- which is very unusual in cases such as this. His students started a letter-writing campaign and a congressman stepped in. But I suspect the greater influence was the millions of dollars his grants bring into the university. And here's the ironic twist. Those grants are to study how grazing grasses can be selected or modified to make them more resilient to the droughts in many places of the world that have occurred as a result the recent warming trend (in particular, the pampas of South America where we get most of our beef these days).

Unlike the religious zealots who argue over silly solutions for the weather 100 years from now, he's working to come up with solutions for the immediate climate problems of today.

But it still wasn't enough to save his tenure. The University is still free to fire him at a whim, which I'm sure they will do when his current projects are finished and the public eye is elsewhere. Such is the state of "free speech" on our nation's campuses.

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Yes, no doubt, that was not the single incident that caused my son-in-law to lose tenure. He is a very sober and intelligent man, and I imagine there were other incidents where he attempted to inject logic into the religious arguments over the causes of so-called "climate change".

But there is a somewhat happy ending to the story. He was not fired -- which is very unusual in cases such as this. His students started a letter-writing campaign and a congressman stepped in. But I suspect the greater influence was the millions of dollars his grants bring into the university. And here's the ironic twist. Those grants are to study how grazing grasses can be selected or modified to make them more resilient to the droughts in many places of the world that have occurred as a result the recent warming trend (in particular, the pampas of South America where we get most of our beef these days).

Unlike the religious zealots who argue over silly solutions for the weather 100 years from now, he's working to come up with solutions for the immediate climate problems of today.

But it still wasn't enough to save his tenure. The University is still free to fire him at a whim, which I'm sure they will do when his current projects are finished and the public eye is elsewhere. Such is the state of "free speech" on our nation's campuses.

Well, I, for one, wish him every success. But always remember that the immediate climate problems of today took a lot of clever people a long time to create. I think that whatever we can reasonably do is going to take awhile. So, the sooner we begin, the better.

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Well, I, for one, wish him every success. But always remember that the immediate climate problems of today took a lot of clever people a long time to create. I think that whatever we can reasonably do is going to take awhile. So, the sooner we begin, the better.

The only man-made climate problem is climate alarmism. It takes a lot of clever people to make up misinformation -- such as NOAA altering temperature data.

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The only man-made climate problem is climate alarmism. It takes a lot of clever people to make up misinformation -- such as NOAA altering temperature data.

Oh! Another pretty picture. How clever of you.

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Oh! Another pretty picture. How clever of you.

It's not clever -- it's just data fraud. Here is more evidence ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgk3xFHvWLE