Does The Villages use pipe from China?

[djlnc]

We just got an inspection report for a home that's only a couple years old. The gas piping shows severe corrosion. I'm a little concerned about it.

[bob47]

We just got an inspection report for a home that's only a couple years old. The gas piping shows severe corrosion. I'm a little concerned about it.

That's a close pipe nipple, 100% cut with threads. No matter how it started out, base metal is exposed. If it's steel, it will rust.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We just got an inspection report for a home that's only a couple years old. The gas piping shows severe corrosion. I'm a little concerned about it.

It's very unlikely that your steel nipple comes from China. MOST steel in the US - comes from the US and Canada.

[djlnc]

How about Thailand? :smiley:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

How about Thailand? :smiley:

Less than 1% of all steel imports come from Thailand.

[villagetinker]

We just got an inspection report for a home that's only a couple years old. The gas piping shows severe corrosion. I'm a little concerned about it.

You will need to consult with a plumber, but there are several products for cars to stop rust which maybe an option, however, I would consider having this replaced and possibly coated to stop future corrosion.

[retiredguy123]

Is there any real evidence that products made in China are lower quality than those made elsewhere? If we banned all products from China, our country would be in serious trouble.

[djlnc]

You will need to consult with a plumber, but there are several products for cars to stop rust which maybe an option, however, I would consider having this replaced and possibly coated to stop future corrosion.

My thoughts also. Thanks.

[village dreamer]

all you have to do is wire brush it , then paint it . that rust is just top coat stuff.

[djlnc]

Is there any real evidence that products made in China are lower quality than those made elsewhere? If we banned all products from China, our country would be in serious trouble.

Just off the top of my head you might want to look up Chinese Drywall Lawsuit, Chinese Flooring Lawsuit, Chinese Pet Food Poison...

[rustyp]

Only logical solution is The Villages need to ban Chinese nipples.

[retiredguy123]

Just off the top of my head you might want to look up Chinese Drywall Lawsuit, Chinese Flooring Lawsuit, Chinese Pet Food Poison...
And, I would just point to the Johns Manville lawsuits, that are still paying off claims for their defective insulation products. But these are just anecdotal incidents, not an objective analysis. We depend on so many products from China that it is impossible to make a fair comparison. I think that, without Chinese products, our economy would collapse.

[Topspinmo]

IMO surface corrosion from either Florida moist air (humidity) or galvanic corrosion from two dissimilar metals. First spray the fitting with soapy solution see it got any tiny leaks. Then, clean it with wire brush as suggested and paint with rust preventer. Or just regular metal paint like rustoleum. After dries spray it again with soapy water solution. No bubbles? good to go.

Or it you really think it unsafe call gas company or plumber.

Quote from Google AI.

Yes, in Florida, licensed plumbers are qualified to work on natural gas lines, meaning they can install, repair, and maintain them; however, they may need additional certifications depending on the specific gas line work involved.
Key points about plumbers and gas lines in Florida:
Legal requirement:
According to Florida regulations, only licensed plumbers can work on natural gas lines.
Specific certifications:
While a standard plumbing license allows for basic gas line work, specialized certifications might be needed for complex installations or repairs.
Safety considerations:
Due to the potential dangers of gas leaks, it is crucial to always use a licensed plumber for any gas line work.

[MplsPete]

. . . I think that, without Chinese products, our economy would collapse.

Reply #7 has similar sentiments, "If we banned all products from China, our country would be in serious trouble."

I say, if America stopped buying Chinese products, China would implode.

[Two Bills]

Only logical solution is The Villages need to ban Chinese nipples.

This post is racist, and sexist! :icon_wink:

[Rocksnap]

IMO surface corrosion from either Florida moist air (humidity) or galvanic corrosion from two dissimilar metals. First spray the fitting with soapy solution see it got any tiny leaks. Then, clean it with wire brush as suggested and paint with rust preventer. Or just regular metal paint like rustoleum. After dries spray it again with soapy water solution. No bubbles? good to go.

Or it you really think it unsafe call gas company or plumber.

Quote from Google AI.

Yes, in Florida, licensed plumbers are qualified to work on natural gas lines, meaning they can install, repair, and maintain them; however, they may need additional certifications depending on the specific gas line work involved.
Key points about plumbers and gas lines in Florida:
Legal requirement:
According to Florida regulations, only licensed plumbers can work on natural gas lines.
Specific certifications:
While a standard plumbing license allows for basic gas line work, specialized certifications might be needed for complex installations or repairs.
Safety considerations:
Due to the potential dangers of gas leaks, it is crucial to always use a licensed plumber for any gas line work.

Am I going to jail for hooking up my new construction gas dryer?

[Donegalkid]

We just got an inspection report for a home that's only a couple years old. The gas piping shows severe corrosion. I'm a little concerned about it.

Iron and steel pipes and their threads rust. So it goes, regardless of the origin. I read the numerous responses … The best fix for rusty metal (from years of using it) is POR 15. Wire brush the threads, paint on the black POR 15. Three coats. Use a search engine to find it. Available in quarts or six pack of small cans. Pricey. Do not get it on your hands. Avoid the fumes. Leftover material is useless unless the can is perfectly sealed after use. I transfer leftover POR 15 to a small glass jar sealed in plastic for preservation for future use. Commonly used for car frame, car rust restoration. The best stuff available. I wear a respirator and gloves when using it. Good luck rusty metal restorers.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Am I going to jail for hooking up my new construction gas dryer?

LOL! am I going to jail for installing my own LNG connection for my gas grille?

ah, no. .

however, one never knows what crap an insurance company will pull if there is an explosion, related or unrelated. . .

[bilclif]

We just got an inspection report for a home that's only a couple years old. The gas piping shows severe corrosion. I'm a little concerned about it.

I have owned hardware stores all my adult life. Almost no iron pipe is produced in the US. It is my understanding that the galvanized (not rusty) pipe in the picture is not code compliant. Gas piping should be black iron, which will rust, not galvanized pipe as seen in the picture. That rust will not cause a problem for at least 50 years but if it bothers you go to Ace or spar and get a bottle of Rust Reformer, put that on and paint over it.

[Altavia]

If you have plumber come out, suggest you also replace the water heater gas pressure regulator.

The ones installed are poor quality and prone to early failure.

[vintageogauge]

It's very unlikely that your steel nipple comes from China. MOST steel in the US - comes from the US and Canada.

Finished steel comes from the US and Canada, semi-finished as well as finished steel is imported not only from China but Brazil, India, Japan, and several other countries. There are very few factories in the US that produce steel from iron ore.

[Bwanajim]

I have that too, months after I moved in. It's just surface rust. Scrub it with a wire brush and then put some good paint over it.

[Topspinmo]

I have that too, months after I moved in. It's just surface rust. Scrub it with a wire brush and then put some good paint over it.

They are using different materials in newer builds, my 20 plus year old gas line fitting connection has no surface rust .

[MandoMan]

IMO surface corrosion from either Florida moist air (humidity) or galvanic corrosion from two dissimilar metals. First spray the fitting with soapy solution see it got any tiny leaks. Then, clean it with wire brush as suggested and paint with rust preventer. Or just regular metal paint like rustoleum. After dries spray it again with soapy water solution. No bubbles? good to go.

Or it you really think it unsafe call gas company or plumber.

Quote from Google AI.

Yes, in Florida, licensed plumbers are qualified to work on natural gas lines, meaning they can install, repair, and maintain them; however, they may need additional certifications depending on the specific gas line work involved.
Key points about plumbers and gas lines in Florida:
Legal requirement:
According to Florida regulations, only licensed plumbers can work on natural gas lines.
Specific certifications:
While a standard plumbing license allows for basic gas line work, specialized certifications might be needed for complex installations or repairs.
Safety considerations:
Due to the potential dangers of gas leaks, it is crucial to always use a licensed plumber for any gas line work.

Well said. That’s not severe corrosion. It’s a standard coating of protective rust.

[Federspiel]

My condo in Cincinnati is one of 110 unit complex. Piping from the water main to house definitely was sourced from China. 20 year old mark condos are seriously leaking. Average cost to repair each unit exceeds $10,000 (pipe runs under driveways). Special association assessments make condos hard to sell. Already had first for $2,000. Many more to follow.

[Cliff Fr]

Is there any real evidence that products made in China are lower quality than those made elsewhere? If we banned all products from China, our country would be in serious trouble.
A lot of auto parts are now from China. Ford just announced a recall of thousands of vehicles because of a defective 12 volt battery from China.

[FloridaGuy66]

I recall in my northern home that the gas fitters once showed me that it was required for them after installation was complete to paint all exposed steel on gas piping to pass code.

[defrey12]

That's a close pipe nipple, 100% cut with threads. No matter how it started out, base metal is exposed. If it's steel, it will rust.

I see no actual corrosion, only rust.

[Topspinmo]

I see no actual corrosion, only rust.

Well, that’s debatable?

Quote from Google AI

“Rusting is a part of corrosion and is a chemical process which results in the formation of red or orange coating on the surface of metals. Corrosion can occur on different surfaces such as skin, wood, metals, etc. Rusting usually occurs on surfaces of iron and its alloys”

Can’t say you right or wrong? But in this instance I believe you are right :bigbow:


According to this correct!

https://www.helixsolutions.net.au/news-and-resources/article/corrosion-vs-rust-what-s-the-difference-and-can-they-be-prevented

[PugMom]

Is there any real evidence that products made in China are lower quality than those made elsewhere? If we banned all products from China, our country would be in serious trouble.

if you've ever purchased from a different country, you will find a much more well made, higher quality product. Germans are great for clocks and tools, Pakistan/Egypt are known for thick and longer lasting textiles. i will deliberately search for items NOT made in China-what a difference!!

[Bill14564]

I see no actual corrosion, only rust.

Well, that’s debatable?

Quote from Google AI

“Rusting is a part of corrosion and is a chemical process which results in the formation of red or orange coating on the surface of metals. Corrosion can occur on different surfaces such as skin, wood, metals, etc. Rusting usually occurs on surfaces of iron and its alloys”

Can’t say you right or wrong? But in this instance I believe you are right :bigbow:


According to this correct!

https://www.helixsolutions.net.au/news-and-resources/article/corrosion-vs-rust-what-s-the-difference-and-can-they-be-prevented

Rust is iron oxide

Iron oxide is the byproduct of chemical reaction between iron and oxygen, usually in the presence of water

The chemical reaction which generates iron oxide weakens the underlying iron by consuming it

A chemical reaction which converts a refined metal into an oxide is called corrosion

You don't see corrosion, you see the byproduct of corrosion. "Rust" is the byproduct of iron corrosion. If you see rust then you know corrosion is occurring.

[Two Bills]

if you've ever purchased from a different country, you will find a much more well made, higher quality product. Germans are great for clocks and tools, Pakistan/Egypt are known for thick and longer lasting textiles. i will deliberately search for items NOT made in China-what a difference!!

Turns out the Chinese are very good at developing cheap AI as well. :icon_wink:

[gmnirr]

:posting:This post is racist, and sexist! :icon_wink:https://d32rzbb554tqz0.cloudfront.net/forums/images/smilies/pcuser.gif

[retiredguy123]

if you've ever purchased from a different country, you will find a much more well made, higher quality product. Germans are great for clocks and tools, Pakistan/Egypt are known for thick and longer lasting textiles. i will deliberately search for items NOT made in China-what a difference!!
I don't doubt what you say, but how many local contractors are using German tools? You can buy a German screwdriver for ten dollars, or you can buy one from Walmart for one dollar. A screwdriver is a screwdriver.

[Pairadocs]

Iron and steel pipes and their threads rust. So it goes, regardless of the origin. I read the numerous responses … The best fix for rusty metal (from years of using it) is POR 15. Wire brush the threads, paint on the black POR 15. Three coats. Use a search engine to find it. Available in quarts or six pack of small cans. Pricey. Do not get it on your hands. Avoid the fumes. Leftover material is useless unless the can is perfectly sealed after use. I transfer leftover POR 15 to a small glass jar sealed in plastic for preservation for future use. Commonly used for car frame, car rust restoration. The best stuff available. I wear a respirator and gloves when using it. Good luck rusty metal restorers.

Would old fashioned Navel Gel, or the grease like product you coat battery connectors with to prevent corrosion be a less dangerous solution than something like the POR 15 that requires such drastic measures ?

[Topspinmo]

Rust is iron oxide

Iron oxide is the byproduct of chemical reaction between iron and oxygen, usually in the presence of water

The chemical reaction which generates iron oxide weakens the underlying iron by consuming it

A chemical reaction which converts a refined metal into an oxide is called corrosion

You don't see corrosion, you see the byproduct of corrosion. "Rust" is the byproduct of iron corrosion. If you see rust then you know corrosion is occurring.

Down the road (over time) but right now it just rust.

Quote

“Corrosion includes rust. Rust is a type of corrosion. Corrosion is the process by which certain materials, metals and non-metals, deteriorate as a result of oxidation. Rusting is oxidation of iron in the presence of air and "

Looks like to me rust and corrosion are the same or will eventually be the same over time. Can metal rust through without corrosion?

[Bill14564]

Down the road (over time) but right now it just rust.

Quote

“Corrosion includes rust. Rust is a type of corrosion. Corrosion is the process by which certain materials, metals and non-metals, deteriorate as a result of oxidation. Rusting is oxidation of iron in the presence of air and "

Looks like to me rust and corrosion are the same or will eventually be the same over time. Can metal rust through without corrosion?

No. Rust is the byproduct of iron oxidation. Iron oxidation creates rust. Iron oxidation is a chemical reaction between oxygen and iron. Chemical reactions affecting metals are corrosion.

Rust == iron oxidation == chemical reaction affecting a metal == corrosion


There are many types of chemical reactions/corrosion; with iron, oxidation/rusting is one of them.


Bottom line, whether you accept that rust is a sign of ongoing corrosion or not, does it really matter? You know that the pipe is slowly deteriorating and something needs to be done to stop it.

[pgettinger01]

Use a wire brush and paint it.

[Topspinmo]

I don't doubt what you say, but how many local contractors are using German tools? You can buy a German screwdriver for ten dollars, or you can buy one from Walmart for one dollar. A screwdriver is a screwdriver.


Mmmm, not really, depending on the alloy especially with Phillips/cross point screwdrivers.

[Topspinmo]

Would old fashioned Navel Gel, or the grease like product you coat battery connectors with to prevent corrosion be a less dangerous solution than something like the POR 15 that requires such drastic measures ?


It would, just like older cars the development oil leaks the metal never rusted in that area. IMO grease would eventually dry out unless reapplied plus in sun could melt it or dry it out quicker? IMO Paint preventer would be better if prepared properly.