Do you have a Dr or DO that is holistic that you'd recommend?

[AMB444]

We will drive at least 2 or 3 hrs from The Villages for a good recommendation for a holistic provider.

We don't want to have to fly back up north for annual exams so looking for a good recommendation if you have one.

Thanks everyone!

[graciegirl]

No. I prefer traditionally trained physicians.

[golfing eagles]

We will drive at least 2 or 3 hrs from The Villages for a good recommendation for a holistic provider.

We don't want to have to fly back up north for annual exams so looking for a good recommendation if you have one.

Thanks everyone!

Sorry, but that's like asking which Voo-doo priest is preferable :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Save the trip and find a real doctor in The Villages or nearby

[asianthree]

No. I prefer traditionally trained physicians.

OP is asking for advice on a Physician either MD or DO, who also uses holistic non chemical drugs. Considering some drugs have originated from natural plants it’s not a stretch

Our family physician was Harvard graduate MD. However came from a long line of Shoman. While classically trained as an MD, he also uses herbs and other tinctures passed down for generations. Best friend is a Cleveland Clinic Cardio Vascular that also uses natural based products along with chemical based drugs.

So GG yes there are highly trained MDs that can practice both.

OP Local health food shops usually have great knowledge of holistic practitioners. Your northern holistic community usually will give you ideas for practices in other states. Is a close knit community, and many will share recommendations close to you.

Our close friends still use their up north holistic office, Skype their appointments with great results for themselves.

[golfing eagles]

OP is asking for advice on a Physician either MD or DO, who also uses holistic non chemical drugs. Considering some drugs have originated from natural plants it’s not a stretch

Our family physician was Harvard graduate MD. However came from a long line of Shoman. While classically trained as an MD, he also uses herbs and other tinctures passed down for generations. Best friend is a Cleveland Clinic Cardio Vascular that also uses natural based products along with chemical based drugs.

So GG yes there are highly trained MDs that can practice both.

OP Local health food shops usually have great knowledge of holistic practitioners. Your northern holistic community usually will give you ideas for practices in other states. Is a close knit community, and many will share recommendations close to you.

Our close friends still use their up north holistic office, Skype their appointments with great results for themselves.

Sorry, but STRONGLY disagree. (Unless they are psychiatrists, who are usually crazier than their patients):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[asianthree]

Sorry, but STRONGLY disagree. (Unless they are psychiatrists, who are usually crazier than their patients):1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I never met a holistic psychiatrist, but did work with Surgeons who used some natural meds for their highly anaphylactic patients. Not every one is in love with Big Pharm.

You were not in awe the first or more than a few times you were involved in Acupuncture/Medicine surgeries? Our area was a hot spot for MH families, including one of our own Anesthesiologist. Her surgeries were all preformed with Acupuncture/Medicine. We have a designated Anesthesia Machine just for MH, for some it’s was just an expensive monitor, to be used as a just in case.

[golfing eagles]

You were not in awe the first or more than a few times you were involved in Acupuncture/Medicine surgeries? Our area was a hot spot for MH families, including one of our own Anesthesiologist. Her surgeries were all preformed with Acupuncture/Medicine. We have a designated Anesthesia Machine just for MH, for some it’s was just an expensive monitor, to be used as a just in case.

No, but I would not consider acupuncture, a 5,000-year-old treatment as "holistic". Perhaps I should better define the quacks as those who would rather "prescribe" herbs and vitamins to their patients as they unnecessarily die than to use proven pharmaceuticals because they are not "natural" or think they can cure cancer by "adjusting" the spine. The problem is, in my experience, that by the time the patient comes to see me it is too late.

I think I may be defining "holistic" a bit differently than you.

[GreggC69]

I think the definition of "holistic" is important and not sure exactly what the OP meant with the question. The post initiated that the search was for an MD or DO so clearly looking for medically trained and not some hippie who has an herb garden and incense. I applaud the approach, and agree with it. Too many "traditional" physicians do not look far beyond the 8 minute encounter for the complaint at hand and grab the prescription pad to right YET ANOTHER script, often times with out trying to best understand the underlying cause nor the direct impact from other parts of wellness. Many (I would suggest the majority) practice sick care, not well care.

[graciegirl]

OP is asking for advice on a Physician either MD or DO, who also uses holistic non chemical drugs. Considering some drugs have originated from natural plants it’s not a stretch

Our family physician was Harvard graduate MD. However came from a long line of Shoman. While classically trained as an MD, he also uses herbs and other tinctures passed down for generations. Best friend is a Cleveland Clinic Cardio Vascular that also uses natural based products along with chemical based drugs.

So GG yes there are highly trained MDs that can practice both.

OP Local health food shops usually have great knowledge of holistic practitioners. Your northern holistic community usually will give you ideas for practices in other states. Is a close knit community, and many will share recommendations close to you.

Our close friends still use their up north holistic office, Skype their appointments with great results for themselves.

I completely disagree. I am quite picky when it comes to doctors. Our daughter was born with a very unusual congenital cardiac difficulty. I learned early...The best doctors at the best hospitals could save her life. In fact I have become a doctor snob.

[golfing eagles]

I think the definition of "holistic" is important and not sure exactly what the OP meant with the question. The post initiated that the search was for an MD or DO so clearly looking for medically trained and not some hippie who has an herb garden and incense. I applaud the approach, and agree with it. Too many "traditional" physicians do not look far beyond the 8 minute encounter for the complaint at hand and grab the prescription pad to right YET ANOTHER script, often times with out trying to best understand the underlying cause nor the direct impact from other parts of wellness. Many (I would suggest the majority) practice sick care, not well care.

So, in other words, you are unclear as to what a physician actually does

[AMB444]

OP Local health food shops usually have great knowledge of holistic practitioners. Your northern holistic community usually will give you ideas for practices in other states. Is a close knit community, and many will share recommendations close to you.

Our close friends still use their up north holistic office, Skype their appointments with great results for themselves.

This is awesome advice, thank you!

Times are changing...and many don't kneel to Big Pharma anymore.

[AMB444]

Too many "traditional" physicians do not look far beyond the 8 minute encounter for the complaint at hand and grab the prescription pad to right YET ANOTHER script, often times with out trying to best understand the underlying cause nor the direct impact from other parts of wellness. Many (I would suggest the majority) practice sick care, not well care.

Absolutely. Most of America is done with Big Pharma. Thank you for responding! The old establishment of Big Pharma and "every Dr is correct" is gone! Times "they are a changing" for you folks that have not been keeping up.

[LoisH]

Try Docs outside the Box. Dr Teekell-Taylor and her staff have really helped me through some tough times over the years.

Holistic Medicine Care St. Petersburg, FL | 727-498-8898 (https://www.docsoutsidethebox.us/)

[golfing eagles]

Times are changing...and many don't kneel to Big Pharma anymore.

Absolutely. Most of America is done with Big Pharma. Thank you for responding! The old establishment of Big Pharma and "every Dr is correct" is gone! Times "they are a changing" for you folks that have not been keeping up.

Absolutely!!! Damn that "Big Pharma"---the companies that bring you antibiotics, Angiotensin II receptor antagonists and HydroxymethylglutarylCoA reductase inhibitors and caused us to live 20 years longer. How dare they!!! So when you get Klebsiella sepsis, ischemic cardiomyopathy or schistosomiasis, feel free to explore the alternative medicine treatments-----Vitamin C, wheat germ and howling at the moon, but please pick out your casket in advance. Also, please feel free to re-evaluate that description of "most". "MOST" Americans do not go out of their way to seek out quacks.

[golfing eagles]

Try Docs outside the Box. Dr Teekell-Taylor and her staff have really helped me through some tough times over the years.

Holistic Medicine Care St. Petersburg, FL | 727-498-8898 (https://www.docsoutsidethebox.us/)

In my experience, "docs" outside the box merely help you into the box---your final one.

[kareneluck]

Mulberry Integrative in Sumter is very good

[peggykbm]

Dr. Nelson Kraucak. The Villages FL

[thelegges]

Absolutely!!! Damn that "Big Pharma"---the companies that bring you antibiotics, Angiotensin II receptor antagonists and HydroxymethylglutarylCoA reductase inhibitors and caused us to live 20 years longer. How dare they!!! So when you get Klebsiella sepsis, ischemic cardiomyopathy or schistosomiasis, feel free to explore the alternative medicine treatments-----Vitamin C, wheat germ and howling at the moon, but please pick out your casket in advance. Also, please feel free to re-evaluate that description of "most". "MOST" Americans do not go out of their way to seek out quacks.

I almost got to experience that fire in the box for 2 episodes of Anaphylactic reaction to drugs. Listening them opening Trach set, when you know what's coming. Big Pharmacy isn't high on my list. Plus Considering DES babies from the 50s are either dead or still dealing with cancers. I know many physicians no longer have Big Pharm in their pockets today as 10 years ago. They are far more concerned about just writing scripts.
I Do you find it interesting That you consider acupuncture Not holistic And yet Almost every herb, flower, bark used for decades By physians has helped big pharm create modern drugs today.

[GreggC69]

So, in other words, you are unclear as to what a physician actually does

No, quite the opposite. I am very clear on what many physicians have become.

[golfing eagles]

I almost got to experience that fire in the box (no need for a box) for 2 episodes of Anaphylactic reaction to drugs. Listening them opening Trach set, when you know what's coming. Big Pharmacy isn't high on my list. Plus Considering DES babies from the 50s are either dead or still dealing with cancers. I know many physicians no longer have Big Pharm in their pockets today as 10 years ago. They are far more concerned about just writing scripts.
I Do you find it interesting That you consider acupuncture Not holistic And yet Almost every herb, flower, bark used for decades By physians has helped big pharm create modern drugs today.

Please clarify:
1) You think "big pharma" is at fault because YOU are allergic to something?????
2) DES??? And multiple other drug failures as well that you know nothing about??? That's like blaming leeches and bloodletting as "treatments" with poor results
3) We were in "big pharma's" pocket 10 years ago??? Sorry I missed that
4) Now we "just write scripts"??? God help my writer's cramp, not to mention the boredom
5) The only thing in that post that is even remotely true is that many modern pharmaceuticals have a basis in plants---but which do you think is better, let's say for depression--St. John's wort with an arbitrary potency factor of 1.0, or it's pharmaceutical derivative - selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors with a potency factor of 100?

I always wonder where the non-professional public gets some of their bizarre ideas.

[Ptmcbriz]

Alternative MD’s are great. Today’s MD training has always been based on REACTIVE treatment. Do you know MD’s only have ONE class in nutrition..the core of your health is the fuel you feed it.

Alternative MD’s have ADDITIONAL training in being PROACTIVE in your future health. They are reactive when needed but also concentrating on keeping you health so you don’t get sick.

[golfing eagles]

Alternative MD’s are great. Today’s MD training has always been based on REACTIVE treatment. Do you know MD’s only have ONE class in nutrition..the core of your health is the fuel you feed it.

Alternative MD’s have ADDITIONAL training in being PROACTIVE in your future health. They are reactive when needed but also concentrating on keeping you health so you don’t get sick.

Yeah, right.

Two questions----how many patients have you had die after these "alternative" quacks got a hold of them?
How many patients have you brought back from the verge of death after they had been treated by a chiroquacker or naturoquack?

Perhaps some people should get a better perspective on what they are talking about.

[Mellow]

Mulberry integrative medicine in The Villages, it not only has acupuncture but has alternative medicine. Located near Lake Sumter area

[Indydealmaker]

No, but I would not consider acupuncture, a 5,000-year-old treatment as "holistic". Perhaps I should better define the quacks as those who would rather "prescribe" herbs and vitamins to their patients as they unnecessarily die than to use proven pharmaceuticals because they are not "natural" or think they can cure cancer by "adjusting" the spine. The problem is, in my experience, that by the time the patient comes to see me it is too late.

I think I may be defining "holistic" a bit differently than you.

Not many "proven" drugs cure the problem. They treat symptoms. A DO concentrates on finding the root of the evil.

[Indydealmaker]

In my experience, "docs" outside the box merely help you into the box---your final one.

How could you have experience to rely on if you don't believe in a holistic approach?

[opinionist]

https://www.alternativewholistichealth.com/

[opinionist]

Health Care Network doctors prescribe pharmaceutical drugs to treat symptoms because that is "the only way to make money."

Holistic doctors seek the root cause of a condition and work with the body to cure the problem.

[Karen Cruiser]

I know there are a lot of nay-sayers about Holistic anything! I had Vertigo & Vestibular problems for 4 miserable years. A neurologist suggested that I go to a Holistic Physical Therapist down in Groveland because he helped her aunt. I would never have gone to anything “Holistic” but in 6 sessions, he helped my Vertigo!!! It’s great to feel half human again!!!

[golfing eagles]

How could you have experience to rely on if you don't believe in a holistic approach?

Because I’ve had to clean up their mess many times

[golfing eagles]

Health Care Network doctors prescribe pharmaceutical drugs to treat symptoms because that is "the only way to make money."

Holistic doctors seek the root cause of a condition and work with the body to cure the problem.

Yeah, right. I must have missed that one too 😂😂😂

[golfing eagles]

Not many "proven" drugs cure the problem. They treat symptoms. A DO concentrates on finding the root of the evil.

A DO is a pre-med student who didn’t have the qualifications to get into medical school

[Topspinmo]

I fine there lot of pills for problem but rarely cure? Maybe not cost effective? Some taking 4 or 5 more different meds day. Which usually leads to more a day?

IMO Covid good example. Man made virus, with man made vaccine that costs trillions and millions died even with vaccine? Which IMO shouldn’t have been tampering with nature in first place. Why create new problems when plenty of other problems to solve (cure).

So, I can see why some not completely trust system?

[itzfun]

We will drive at least 2 or 3 hrs from The Villages for a good recommendation for a holistic provider.

We don't want to have to fly back up north for annual exams so looking for a good recommendation if you have one.

Thanks everyone!

I've been going to this Dr. since 7/22. Very knowledgeable. Leaky gut gone. Currently detoxing from heavy metals and chemicals (glyphosate, among others). https://www.alternativewholistichealth.com/

This one is closer to home - Meet the Doctor - Dr. John A. Podlaski (https://drjpod.com/about-our-practice/meet-the-doctor/)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Here:
HealthCare Partners Family Medicine (https://www.healthcarepartnersfamilymedicine.com/)

They're right across the street from the Sharon Morse Medical Center on 441, right near the Boone Gate of the Historic Section. You can get to them by golf cart if you come over the golf cart bridge to the Historic Section, continue on Paradise 5 houses past the Boone Gate, and take a left onto the golf cart path. You need your gate pass, there's no red button. Once you get through that gate, take an immediate left into the back of the medical group's parking lot.

[golfing eagles]

I've been going to this Dr. since 7/22. Very knowledgeable. Leaky gut gone. Currently detoxing from heavy metals and chemicals (glyphosate, among others). https://www.alternativewholistichealth.com/

This one is closer to home - Meet the Doctor - Dr. John A. Podlaski (https://drjpod.com/about-our-practice/meet-the-doctor/)

"Leaky gut"????
detox from heavy metals???
detox from "chemicals"???

Yep, sounds right up the alley of an "alternative holistic practitioner"

[AMB444]

Mulberry Integrative in Sumter is very good

Thank you so much! Anyone there that you specifically recommend? You can send me private message if you'd rather.

[AMB444]

Dr. Nelson Kraucak. The Villages FL

Thank you!

[AMB444]

Plus Considering DES babies from the 50s are either dead or still dealing with cancers.

My older sister had a close friend pass from cancer that was caused by DES . She was exposed to DES before birth. She passed when she was only 16. This was back in the '70's.

[AMB444]

Alternative MD’s are great. Today’s MD training has always been based on REACTIVE treatment. Do you know MD’s only have ONE class in nutrition..the core of your health is the fuel you feed it.

Alternative MD’s have ADDITIONAL training in being PROACTIVE in your future health. They are reactive when needed but also concentrating on keeping you health so you don’t get sick.

Absolutely, 100% agree! We're all ultimately responsible for our own health.

[AMB444]

Thanks everyone for your input and suggestions on this topic!

[golfing eagles]

My older sister had a close friend pass from cancer that was caused by DES . She was exposed to DES before birth. She passed when she was only 16. This was back in the '70's.

And that's terrible, and there were a lot of women who died because of DES. There have been other drugs that have failed and have killed people as well. So please don't misunderstand my prior posts but know there is a difference between a mistake and a conspiracy. It is not a reason to go run off to some quack.

[golfing eagles]

Absolutely, 100% agree! We're all ultimately responsible for our own health.

Interesting. Do you really, honestly believe you have the medical knowledge to "be responsible for your own health"? That is a bill of goods that someone has sold the public. I know 10,000 times as much medicine as those on this thread advocating alternative medicine and I go to other doctors, and do not decide for "myself".

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Absolutely, 100% agree! We're all ultimately responsible for our own health.

If you really believed that, you wouldn't be asking strangers on the internet for recommendations for a doctor.

Our relationship with our physicians is a PARTNERSHIP. Neither party is "ultimately responsible" for either side's health. They work in tandem. If you give up 100% of your responsibility to your doctor, you're just as irresponsible as if you retain 100% of the responsibility.

[GreggC69]

If you really believed that, you wouldn't be asking strangers on the internet for recommendations for a doctor.

Our relationship with our physicians is a PARTNERSHIP. Neither party is "ultimately responsible" for either side's health. They work in tandem. If you give up 100% of your responsibility to your doctor, you're just as irresponsible as if you retain 100% of the responsibility.

YOU ARE responsible for your own health. You seek professional help to assist (i.e. you are taking control to get the help from others) but YOU are the one to has to seek that help, decide if you will follow, and to actually follow through with the care, It's one's free will to decide what type care, from what type practitioner to get help if they so choose. You are delegating the responsibility to anyone.

[AMB444]

Not many "proven" drugs cure the problem. They treat symptoms. A DO concentrates on finding the root of the evil.

This, exactly. Holistic providers are looking to cure. Not just indiscriminately had out Rx's.

Thanks again, everyone!

[golfing eagles]

YOU ARE responsible for your own health. You seek professional help to assist (i.e. you are taking control to get the help from others) but YOU are the one to has to seek that help, decide if you will follow, and to actually follow through with the care, It's one's free will to decide what type care, from what type practitioner to get help if they so choose. You are delegating the responsibility to anyone.

I see that this is useless, kind of like deprogramming a cult member. So I’m glad you’re happy with the choices you’ve made and your faith in “alternative” medicine, I hope you do well with it. So I’ll stop posting the facts, but promise if you ever get seriously ill you won’t hesitate to consult a real doctor

[JMintzer]

Interesting. Do you really, honestly believe you have the medical knowledge to "be responsible for your own health"? That is a bill of goods that someone has sold the public. I know 10,000 times as much medicine as those on this thread advocating alternative medicine and I go to other doctors, and do not decide for "myself".

Much like the lawyer who represents himself having a fool for a client?

[golfing eagles]

Much like the lawyer who represents himself having a fool for a client?

Pretty much. And if you and I won't advise ourselves, what chance does an amateur have????

[MorTech]

Modern M.D. Oath -"A patient cured is a customer lost"

Stop eating a plant-based diet.
Pound Vitamin C daily (Sodium Ascorbate and Citric Acid).
Get out in the sun.
Get aerobic activity.

You then will have little need for a Dr or DO. Insulin resistance is the root of all evil.

Remember: An apple a day keeps the doctors in yachts and summer homes.

[Fenster]

Modern western medicine only has two answers for what ails you: drugs and surgery. Even nutrition is not generally available in medical school.

It’s a bit narrow to think that only western medicine has all the answers.

I’d rather be cured, or prevent disease, by diet and exercise than some “approved” medicine which invariably has side effects. I have no faith in the FDA.

[AMB444]

...

[golfing eagles]

Modern western medicine only has two answers for what ails you: drugs and surgery. Even nutrition is not generally available in medical school.

It’s a bit narrow to think that only western medicine has all the answers.

I’d rather be cured, or prevent disease, by diet and exercise than some “approved” medicine which invariably has side effects. I have no faith in the FDA.

I know I posted that I would stop trying to educate people with the facts, but this is such low hanging fruit I can't resist. I would like to be cured by diet and exercise as well, but unfortunately that is dangerous and deadly wish. Diet and exercise have been around for thousands of years, but here are the top ten causes of death at the beginning of the last century:

Tuberculosis
Dysentery/diarrhea
Cholera
Malaria
Typhoid Fever
Pneumonia
Diphtheria
Scarlet Fever
Meningitis
Whooping Cough

The only one remaining today at #6 is pneumonia/influenza.

If you get anything on this list, please do not go to your "naturopath" or chiropractor or other snake oil salesmen---you will die. Continue your diet and exercise, but if that's all you do, you will die. Instead, put on your big boy pants, go to a real doctor, and suck down whatever pills that "big pharma" produces and live on. There's a reason why those diseases on that list are all curable and not the leading causes of mortality---and it is not "diet and exercise".

Again, I am astounded at the nonsense that has been put out there in the media and some people believe.

PS: Invariably has "side effects"???? Side effects are unwanted deleterious consequences of a drug that affects 2-5% of those taking it. We prescribe these medications for their 96% EFFECT. And so called "natural" remedies can have side effects as well.

[golfing eagles]

Modern M.D. Oath -"A patient cured is a customer lost"

Stop eating a plant-based diet.
Pound Vitamin C daily (Sodium Ascorbate and Citric Acid).
Get out in the sun.
Get aerobic activity.

You then will have little need for a Dr or DO. Insulin resistance is the root of all evil.

Remember: An apple a day keeps the doctors in yachts and summer homes.

The only response that is worth is to state it is not worth a response