Common Sense Right of Way

[SHIBUMI]

Visited the cemetery the other day. Noticed a tombstone that said, Jeb died from an accident, BUT, he had the right of way.

Common sense right of way is as follows: If it's bigger than you IT has the right away. Pretty simple!

Walkers should give way to bikers, golf cars, small cars on the multi models paths.
Bikers should give way to golf cars and small cars on multi model paths.
Golf cars should give way to small cars on multi model paths.

Courtesy Kills! So it follows the bigger you are the less courtesy you need to allow. Cars should not stop to let bikers, golf cars, small cars thru the passage way at gates. Cars have the right of way(Big Theory) and besides, courtesy waves them thru as the gate on the other side is opening and the other car, unaware, comes close to hitting them.( big potential accident)

If you follow these simple rules you will never be Jebbed. :BigApplause:

[Topspinmo]

There should be no small cars on MMP. Diamond lanes are not sidewalks. On roads (public or private) walkers should walk facing traffic on left edge of road. In villages villagers like strolling along 2 or more abreast hogging the lane. I don’t see that ever changing.:wave:

[VAtoFLA]

I don't know who it was that said it, but someone once told me "Right of Way isn't something you have, it's something you yield" Now of course I understand that when you yield it to another motorist they "have" it, but that little change of perspective diffused some aggression on the roadway of trying to protect and keep what was mine to evaluating when and how I should be yielding it.

[dewilson58]

Golf cars should give way to small cars on multi model paths.

If you follow these simple rules you will never be Jebbed. :BigApplause:

Not sure what your definition of "small cars" is, but if they are using the paths, they have the EXACT SAME SPEED LIMITATION and others need not give way. :loco::loco:

[RICH1]

entitlement is an Old Folks disease.... Respect no one, and do what you want.. Law & Order has flown the coop..

[Marathon Man]

"I'm bigger than you. Get out of my way." Is that what the OP is proposing? Everyone is responsible for operating their vehicle in a responsible manner. And for sharing the road with others.

[coffeebean]

Visited the cemetery the other day. Noticed a tombstone that said, Jeb died from an accident, BUT, he had the right of way.

Common sense right of way is as follows: If it's bigger than you IT has the right away. Pretty simple!

Walkers should give way to bikers, golf cars, small cars on the multi models paths.
Bikers should give way to golf cars and small cars on multi model paths.
Golf cars should give way to small cars on multi model paths.

Courtesy Kills! So it follows the bigger you are the less courtesy you need to allow. Cars should not stop to let bikers, golf cars, small cars thru the passage way at gates. Cars have the right of way(Big Theory) and besides, courtesy waves them thru as the gate on the other side is opening and the other car, unaware, comes close to hitting them.( big potential accident)

If you follow these simple rules you will never be Jebbed. :BigApplause:

Agree with you about car drivers waving cart drivers through at the gates. That is me who is looking away from the driver in a car who is waving me through at the gate. You can wave at me all day and I will NOT SEE YOU! Get the hint?

[opinionist]

It is better to be safe than have an accident while in the right.
Defensive driving, biking, or walking is about being safe.

[mraines]

Agree with you about car drivers waving cart drivers through at the gates. That is me who is looking away from the driver in a car who is waving me through at the gate. You can wave at me all day and I will NOT SEE YOU! Get the hint?

I'm with you. If I don't have the right of way, I'll stay there all day until you move. What amazes me is that these same folks will not stop at stop signs.

[fdpaq0580]

Waving people on is "directing traffic". If you stopped (being the thoughtful and courteous person that you are) waved someone to go ahead of you, and they were hit by a vehicle you hadn't noticed, you could be held as liable for the accident. Do NOT direct traffic! Trying to be nice can sometimes get you into unforseen trouble.

[VApeople]

Relying on your common sense may be good for you, but don't expect others to have the same common sense.

Compared to others, I drive slow and follow the rules. If I suspect another driver is not going to follow the rules, I honk at them and keep honking until I am out of any potential danger. This happens a lot in roundabouts.

[bark4me]

Visited the cemetery the other day. Noticed a tombstone that said, Jeb died from an accident, BUT, he had the right of way.

Common sense right of way is as follows: If it's bigger than you IT has the right away. Pretty simple!

Walkers should give way to bikers, golf cars, small cars on the multi models paths.
Bikers should give way to golf cars and small cars on multi model paths.
Golf cars should give way to small cars on multi model paths.

Courtesy Kills! So it follows the bigger you are the less courtesy you need to allow. Cars should not stop to let bikers, golf cars, small cars thru the passage way at gates. Cars have the right of way(Big Theory) and besides, courtesy waves them thru as the gate on the other side is opening and the other car, unaware, comes close to hitting them.( big potential accident)

If you follow these simple rules you will never be Jebbed. :BigApplause:
Those are called courtesy crashes

[La lamy]

Waving people on is "directing traffic". If you stopped (being the thoughtful and courteous person that you are) waved someone to go ahead of you, and they were hit by a vehicle you hadn't noticed, you could be held as liable for the accident. Do NOT direct traffic! Trying to be nice can sometimes get you into unforseen trouble.

Well said!!!

[Ksarracco]

Golf carts should never have the right of way on roads with vehicles, AND at gates, please don’t be considerate. If, in your vehicle, you stop in slow traffic to allow a vehicle to cut in front of you for a left turn—-> there is a golf cart in the golf cart lane! If making a right hand turn in your vehicle—->golf carts need to stop.

[roscoguy]

Agree with you about car drivers waving cart drivers (and bikers) through at the gates (and roundabouts). That is me who is looking away from the driver in a car who is waving me through at the gate. You can wave at me all day and I will NOT SEE YOU! Get the hint?

Well said! We can't always see exactly what you're doing when you stop for no apparent reason, with the sun glaring off your tinted windows. Are you waving me through, swiping left or right on your phone? Maybe swatting at a fly in your car? People please, just go when it's your (expletive) turn!!!

[gorillarick]

WRONG !
Seems like just last week a thread was talking about seniors needing to retake driver's test. Why? They didn't learn the rules the first time.

No matter what size the vehicle, they are entitled to the entire lane.
That means that if golf cart wants to pass a bicycle, they must make a safe pass (nothing coming in the opposite direction), not exceed the speed limit, and completely leave the lane - passing on left only. FLORIDA LAW !

Also Florida law, any vehicle cannot come within 3 feet of a bicycle or pedestrian.

That means if you cannot provide a pedestrian (hopefully facing traffic, but with no where else to go), you must wait until you can provide the 3-feet (not run them off the road).

Rules, common sense, and courtesy of others (especially their safety), would really make TV a better place. Same thing for on the roads.
Yes, bicycles are entitled to an entire lane.
If I'm riding towards the left side of a lane, it means it is unsafe to pass.

If there is a bike in lanes on both sides. Sorry, you cannot pass (especially between them). Do you want to kill someone? STATE LAW. State penalties.

Yes, Florida Law applies to what you call golf cart paths.

[Bill14564]

WRONG !
Seems like just last week a thread was talking about seniors needing to retake driver's test. Why? They didn't learn the rules the first time.

No matter what size the vehicle, they are entitled to the entire lane.
That means that if golf cart wants to pass a bicycle, they must make a safe pass (nothing coming in the opposite direction), not exceed the speed limit, and completely leave the lane - passing on left only. FLORIDA LAW !

Also Florida law, any vehicle cannot come within 3 feet of a bicycle or pedestrian.

That means if you cannot provide a pedestrian (hopefully facing traffic, but with no where else to go), you must wait until you can provide the 3-feet (not run them off the road).


Rules, common sense, and courtesy of others (especially their safety), would really make TV a better place. Same thing for on the roads.
Yes, bicycles are entitled to an entire lane.
If I'm riding towards the left side of a lane, it means it is unsafe to pass.

If there is a bike in lanes on both sides. Sorry, you cannot pass (especially between them). Do you want to kill someone? STATE LAW. State penalties.

Yes, Florida Law applies to what you call golf cart paths.

Please cite the Florida statutes that say:
- You must completely leave the lane to pass a bicycle
- You must not pass on the right
- You cannot come within 3 feet of a pedestrian
- Anything at all about bicycles in both lanes
- Anything at all about the Florida statutes above (if any) applying off the public roadways (golf cart paths)

It is very, very easy to write, "IT'S THE LAW!" It is considerably harder to find statutes that do not exist.

[Topspinmo]

Please cite the Florida statutes that say:
- You must completely leave the lane to pass a bicycle
- You must not pass on the right
- You cannot come within 3 feet of a pedestrian
- Anything at all about bicycles in both lanes
- Anything at all about the Florida statutes above (if any) applying on private property (golf cart paths)

It is very, very easy to write, "IT'S THE LAW!" It is considerably harder to find statutes that do not exist.



Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
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Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.130.html)

Up to interpretation depending on one’s comprehension.

[Bill14564]

Statutes & Constitution
:View Statutes
:

Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.130.html)

Up to interpretation depending on one’s comprehension.

316.130(15) uses the term "due care" not "3 feet." Due care might be 10 feet depending on the circumstances. Due care might be accomplished with two feet in a tight parking lot. "Due care" is not specifically "three feet."

[Driller703]

Visited the cemetery the other day. Noticed a tombstone that said, Jeb died from an accident, BUT, he had the right of way.

Common sense right of way is as follows: If it's bigger than you IT has the right away. Pretty simple!

Walkers should give way to bikers, golf cars, small cars on the multi models paths.
Bikers should give way to golf cars and small cars on multi model paths.
Golf cars should give way to small cars on multi model paths.

Courtesy Kills! So it follows the bigger you are the less courtesy you need to allow. Cars should not stop to let bikers, golf cars, small cars thru the passage way at gates. Cars have the right of way(Big Theory) and besides, courtesy waves them thru as the gate on the other side is opening and the other car, unaware, comes close to hitting them.( big potential accident)

If you follow these simple rules you will never be Jebbed. :BigApplause:

In the Navy the rule is: “The Law of Gross Tonnage Prevails”. Been that way for hundreds of years.

[fdpaq0580]

In the Navy the rule is: “The Law of Gross Tonnage Prevails”. Been that way for hundreds of years.

Ex-Navy here. My tonnage is pretty gross, and is exceeding the hull design specs. Time to offload more than I onload.

[CybrSage]

Walkers should not try to get out of the way bikers should tell walkers which side they are passing on so walkers know to not move there.

This is taught in classes.

[CybrSage]

In the Navy the rule is: “The Law of Gross Tonnage Prevails”. Been that way for hundreds of years.

And then the submarine was invented and all levels of tonnage simply became targets. :)

[CybrSage]

I always thought the least valuable vehicle has the right of way.
When the drivers of a Pinto and a Ferrari have to decide which one prevents the accident, it does not matter to the Ferrari driver that he has the right of way ..he is yielding it to the Pinto.
;)

[WiscoDogsDad]

Well said....I'm not even a resident, yet, and I already KNOW that everyone else is vastly more important than am I, AND that they are universally out to kill me, on the roadways.....

[WiscoDogsDad]

Well said....I'm not even a resident, yet, and I already KNOW that everyone else is vastly more important than am I, AND that they are universally out to kill me, on the roadways.....

[fdpaq0580]

I always thought the least valuable vehicle has the right of way.
When the drivers of a Pinto and a Ferrari have to decide which one prevents the accident, it does not matter to the Ferrari driver that he has the right of way ..he is yielding it to the Pinto.
;)

That assumes (there is that word again) that the Farrari driver can see past his ego.

[SHIBUMI]

Famous quote from the movie.........Assumption is the mother of all f....ups.

In today's world, never assume anything about another individual. Knowledge of same laws or regulations or anything is varied.

Here lies marathon man...he was right and he was wronged!:sad:

"I'm bigger than you. Get out of my way." Is that what the OP is proposing? Everyone is responsible for operating their vehicle in a responsible manner. And for sharing the road with others.

[fdpaq0580]

Famous quote from the movie.........Assumption is the mother of all f....ups.

In today's world, never assume anything about another individual. Knowledge of same laws or regulations or anything is varied.

Here lies marathon man...he was right and he was wronged!:sad:

Correct!

Love it.

[Johnsocat]

I taught Motorcycle safety couse for over 10 years.
If you want to prevent an accident you must always remember that "Mass times velocity equals right of way."

[ElDiabloJoe]

Visited the cemetery the other day. Noticed a tombstone that said, Jeb died from an accident, BUT, he had the right of way....

I'm'a calling B.S. on this. If you can't post a picture of the tombstone, I believe you neither visited a cemetery the other day nor noticed the aforementioned tombstone. In fact, I doubt any such tombstone exists that isn't "prank or joke" tombstone. Pics or it didn't happen!

[DAVES]

Visited the cemetery the other day. Noticed a tombstone that said, Jeb died from an accident, BUT, he had the right of way.

Common sense right of way is as follows: If it's bigger than you IT has the right away. Pretty simple!

Walkers should give way to bikers, golf cars, small cars on the multi models paths.
Bikers should give way to golf cars and small cars on multi model paths.
Golf cars should give way to small cars on multi model paths.

Courtesy Kills! So it follows the bigger you are the less courtesy you need to allow. Cars should not stop to let bikers, golf cars, small cars thru the passage way at gates. Cars have the right of way(Big Theory) and besides, courtesy waves them thru as the gate on the other side is opening and the other car, unaware, comes close to hitting them.( big potential accident)

If you follow these simple rules you will never be Jebbed. :BigApplause:

IF TRUE-who has a better sense of humor UP or DOWN.

[SHIBUMI]

I found no picture of God. Did he happen? Sometimes the message is more important than a picture........ :shrug:


I'm'a calling B.S. on this. If you can't post a picture of the tombstone, I believe you neither visited a cemetery the other day nor noticed the aforementioned tombstone. In fact, I doubt any such tombstone exists that isn't "prank or joke" tombstone. Pics or it didn't happen!

[fdpaq0580]

I found no picture of God. Did he happen? Sometimes the message is more important than a picture........ :shrug:

"A picture is worth a thousand words", so they say. What is no picture worth? Inquiring minds want to know!

[fdpaq0580]

I'm'a calling B.S. on this. If you can't post a picture of the tombstone, I believe you neither visited a cemetery the other day nor noticed the aforementioned tombstone. In fact, I doubt any such tombstone exists that isn't "prank or joke" tombstone. Pics or it didn't happen!

Personally, true or false, there is very likely a tombstone exists somewhere with a message on it that suggest the same message, that even if you are right, demanding your right could be "wrong" in the long run. Be safe!

[Topspinmo]

Golf carts should never have the right of way on roads with vehicles, AND at gates, please don’t be considerate. If, in your vehicle, you stop in slow traffic to allow a vehicle to cut in front of you for a left turn—-> there is a golf cart in the golf cart lane! If making a right hand turn in your vehicle—->golf carts need to stop.


QUOTE=Ksarracco;2409130]Golf carts should never have the right of way on roads with vehicles


I have hard time understanding that? But, I’m slow sometimes:oops:

If vehicle, (golf cart, bicycle, ect… ) in diamond lane last time I read it can’t cut them off turning right. I remember it saying you must allow enough room for them not cross into you path or fall in behind with turn signal on taking the diamond lane so vehicle in diamond can pass on right till you make you’re turn. I also think anybody turning left has to yield unless they’re turning arrow. Maybe that what you said?

[BPRICE1234]

I would like to know where the bicyclists should be riding. It seems they have access to multi modal, walking and bike path, diamond path and roads in general.

I have even seen where a group of 20 bikes will cover both lanes of Megisson.

Is there a courtesy where bicyclists shouldn't occupy everything? Most will not pull over no matter how slow they are going or how long a line behind them.

[Bill14564]

I would like to know where the bicyclists should be riding. It seems they have access to multi modal, walking and bike path, diamond path and roads in general.

I have even seen where a group of 20 bikes will cover both lanes of Megisson.

Is there a courtesy where bicyclists shouldn't occupy everything? Most will not pull over no matter how slow they are going or how long a line behind them.

Bicycles are allowed most anywhere. Florida has statutes about occupying a single lane, staying close to the shoulder, and riding in groups. However, if those statutes are not enforced then they may as well not exist.

Not all cyclists ignore the laws but the ones who do tarnish the reputation of the rest.

[Grinchie]

entitlement is an Old Folks disease.... Respect no one, and do what you want.. Law & Order has flown the coop..
I’m not sure of that anymore. Young ones now seem to think hard work is demeaning. These
Old Folks worked their butts off & never questioned if there was a choice.

[CFrance]

How about this scenario: I am approaching the exit gate at the St. James gate. (I am on St. Charles, and my goal is the roundabout on the other side of the gate.) Three cars have entirely filled the space on the other side of the exit gate and cannot get onto the roundabout due to the amount of traffic. Therefore, I cannot get through the exit gate arm to the other side. There's no room.

I am NOT going to tie up the golf cart lane on the inside of that gate by waiting on it, just because I have the right-of-way. I will let the carts go through until there is enough space on the other side of the exit gate for me to fit while waiting to get into the roundabout.

It happens all the time, especially around lunch time. Right or wrong?

[Bill14564]

How about this scenario: I am approaching the exit gate at the St. James gate. (I am on St. Charles, and my goal is the roundabout on the other side of the gate.) Three cars have entirely filled the space on the other side of the exit gate and cannot get onto the roundabout due to the amount of traffic. Therefore, I cannot get through the exit gate arm to the other side. There's no room.

I am NOT going to tie up the golf cart lane on the inside of that gate by waiting on it, just because I have the right-of-way. I will let the carts go through until there is enough space on the other side of the exit gate for me to fit while waiting to get into the roundabout.

It happens all the time, especially around lunch time. Right or wrong?

That is the one scenario where I will pass in front of the car and thank him for waiting.

[fdpaq0580]

How about this scenario: I am approaching the exit gate at the St. James gate. (I am on St. Charles, and my goal is the roundabout on the other side of the gate.) Three cars have entirely filled the space on the other side of the exit gate and cannot get onto the roundabout due to the amount of traffic. Therefore, I cannot get through the exit gate arm to the other side. There's no room.

I am NOT going to tie up the golf cart lane on the inside of that gate by waiting on it, just because I have the right-of-way. I will let the carts go through until there is enough space on the other side of the exit gate for me to fit while waiting to get into the roundabout.

It happens all the time, especially around lunch time. Right or wrong?

There is a statute that states, essentially, that you may not enter an intersection if there is no room on the other side. It is illegal to block an intersection, and, although it is cars and carts, it is an intersection. More like blocking a crosswalk, which is illegal. Any bikes, carts or walkers still have to mind the cars coming in the gate and realize you may free to move at any moment. Technically, you still have the right of way, but everyone should be very cautious.

[Win1894]

Please cite the Florida statutes that say:
- You must completely leave the lane to pass a bicycle
- You must not pass on the right
- You cannot come within 3 feet of a pedestrian
- Anything at all about bicycles in both lanes
- Anything at all about the Florida statutes above (if any) applying off the public roadways (golf cart paths)

It is very, very easy to write, "IT'S THE LAW!" It is considerably harder to find statutes that do not exist.

Here is the statute you requested. 316.083 Overtaking and passing a vehicle, a bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle, or an electric bicycle

[Bill14564]

Here is the statute you requested. 316.083 Overtaking and passing a vehicle, a bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle, or an electric bicycle

3 feet separation when passing a bicycle. Sure. But mentions none of the items in my post.

What did you read in that statute that you believe applied to what I wrote?