Costco vs Sam's Club? Get your golf balls here!

[BrianL99]

Move over Kirkland, Sam's is rockin' the boat.

Some may remember the famous Kirkland Golf Ball, that lead to a lawsuit with Titleist. Kirkland (Costco) hasn't sold that ball for years. instead, Kirkland has sold another ball, that's the worst quality ball ever tested, by MyGolfSpy (Just a moment... (https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/stay-away-from-this-golf-ball/))

Sam's has just introduced a Member's Mark 3-Piece, Urethane covered golf ball. $27.98 for 2 Dozen.

Just a moment... (https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/first-look/sams-club-launches-members-mark-golf-balls/)

Let us know you'''re not a robot - Sam'''s Club (https://www.samsclub.com/p/member-s-mark-golf-ball/P990365444?xid=plp_product_2)

That's a steal for 2 Dozen, Urethane covered golf balls. (You might still be able to buy 2022 Trust (3-Piece, Urethane) on Amazon for about $18/Dozen, when you buy (4))

I know Villagers love a deal!

[jimhoward]

Any test results yet? I can’t buy a ball unless some random paid YouTube influencer hits them on his home golf simulator and claims they are the near equal of a proV1 :)

[UpNorth]

Don't think it matters much to folks around here. The balls I find the most are usually marked Nitro.

[Snakster66]

I get Kirkland balls for the winter time (historically). Haven't tried the newer gen 3 that are available now. Maybe they are an improvement and maybe not. One day I may find out. I have no illusions that the Sam's golf balls will be the Pro V1 killers, but any additional options for an inexpensive urethane ball is a welcome sight and worth a try. I doubt I would use them when playing the US Open, but then again, I will never play the US Open.

[Stu from NYC]

Go to a pond with a scooper, free is good and the way I hit no difference anyway

[kkingston57]

Bet all of them are made by 2-3 companies in the world and only difference is the label

[BrianL99]

I get Kirkland balls for the winter time (historically). Haven't tried the newer gen 3 that are available now. Maybe they are an improvement and maybe not. One day I may find out. I have no illusions that the Sam's golf balls will be the Pro V1 killers, but any additional options for an inexpensive urethane ball is a welcome sight and worth a try. I doubt I would use them when playing the US Open, but then again, I will never play the US Open.

By far, the best value for a Urethane golf ball, is the Maxfli Tour. $27/Dozen when buying 4 Dozen of the 2023 ball (which is about 2-3 yards longer off the Tee than the the 2024/2025 ball.

Just a moment... (https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/first-look/maxfli-updates-best-value-tour-golf-balls/)

You can also buy Trust Golf Balls on Amazon, for about $22/Dozen or SaintNine golf balls from GolfEtail for about $20/Dozen. They both have Urethane covers.

[GpaVader]

Go to a pond with a scooper, free is good and the way I hit no difference anyway

Just watch out for the gators... A member in our group was doing that and got chased away by a gator protecting his turf... He did get his golf balls back though...

[Snakster66]

By far, the best value for a Urethane golf ball, is the Maxfli Tour. $27/Dozen when buying 4 Dozen of the 2023 ball (which is about 2-3 yards longer off the Tee than the the 2024/2025 ball.

Just a moment... (https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/first-look/maxfli-updates-best-value-tour-golf-balls/)

You can also buy Trust Golf Balls on Amazon, for about $22/Dozen or SaintNine golf balls from GolfEtail for about $20/Dozen. They both have Urethane covers.

Have played both Maxfli Tour and Tour X. They're fine. But not really my favorite. Have not tried Trust or Saintnine, thanks for the lead. I used to play Vice Pro Plus a lot, but their prices have been creeping up.

I like getting logo overruns of Titleist balls. Still a bit pricey, but significantly lower than 'regular'. And of course, finding good balls in the weeds or waters edge is always a welcome addition.

[FloridaGuy66]

Move over Kirkland, Sam's is rockin' the boat.

Some may remember the famous Kirkland Golf Ball, that lead to a lawsuit with Titleist. Kirkland (Costco) hasn't sold that ball for years. instead, Kirkland has sold another ball, that's the worst quality ball ever tested, by MyGolfSpy (Just a moment... (https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/stay-away-from-this-golf-ball/))



Least consistent manufactured ball isn't the same as lowest quality ball. Most balls scored quite well compared to ones at the same price point.

Hard to rely on a such a small sample size like in the test for anything anyways. I've worked in manufacturing and having a bad run here and there definitely happens.

[BrianL99]

Have played both Maxfli Tour and Tour X. They're fine. But not really my favorite. Have not tried Trust or Saintnine, thanks for the lead. I used to play Vice Pro Plus a lot, but their prices have been creeping up.


I played Vice Pro Plus, until I got ****ed at Vice for their new pricing ... which has now changed again. You can get the Vice Pro Plus for around $33/Dozen, w/free printing.

Had I know Vice was going to bring back decent pricing, I wouldn't have bought 12 Dozen Maxflis. Vice is struggling, as they try to expand into golf clubs and evolve their DTC business model.

[BrianL99]

Least consistent manufactured ball isn't the same as lowest quality ball. Most balls scored quite well compared to ones at the same price point.

.

The most important criteria for a golf ball, is consistency. If a ball's consistency is rated at the bottom of the barrel, the quality of the ball is in the same place. The "lease consistent manufactured ball", is by definition, the "lowest quality (performing) ball".

You either misread the facts or read a different report: (Just a moment... (https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/stay-away-from-this-golf-ball/))

"The Costco golf ball is not worth your money. Honestly, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but your membership is probably better used on a rental car discount, a couple gallons of Mayo, or even their four pack of gloves. After we ran these through our quality ball lab, the KSig scored a whopping 45 out of a hundred on the chart.

That’s the third lowest scoring ball in all of MyGolfSpy history. And we’ve been at this for a while. Compression scored 93 out of a hundred on the scale. Which is actually a little bit firmer than your regular Pro V1. And not to mention The Kirkland Signature golf ball, it’s one of the spinniest balls, yes that’s a word, that we’ve ever tested. And I mean ever.

Look, I totally get it. You’re on the hunt for a deal. I would be too. But it’s hard for me to recommend the Kirkland ball to really anybody, scoring 45 out of 100 on the scale. So if you want to avoid losing anywhere from 6 to 10 strokes on your game, or, who knows, possibly slicing the s*** out of the ball, I’d avoid the Kirkland altogether."

[SHIBUMI]

As I toured the Titeist Golf Ball plant I began to wonder why their ball is the best. And yes! It is matter of consistency. Thru out all of their golf ball lines their quality control checks are the highest and most stringent. Other companies would take lower consistent balls and rename them. If a ball does not meet a check point it is tossed. And there are a lot of checkpoints. More costly.

The average player will get more help with a golf lesson than a golf ball change. The ball will not save you anywhere near the strokes that learning better technique will. BUT, the ball is an easier road to maintain your illusion.

Unlike other manufacturers Titleist does not pay their Pros for playing the ball. While other ball manufacturers do. Tiger plays the Bridgestone because it's the best ball in golf,LOL. He has millions of reasons to play it.

Now that being said, the illusion that these balls are just like a Pro V1 is just that, wishful thinking. A Kia isn't a BMW.........

So I asked, what is the best way to get a Pro V1 at a lower price. I was told buy the X-Out
Pro V1. They use them for range balls as well. I asked whats the matter with them. I was told they have passed all the tests, BUT, we were not totaling happy with the paint job. Other companies will take balls that did not pass a test and put a different name on them.

So, no matter what Titleist Product you buy, their quality control/consistency outshines everyone else by a mile. So, if your looking for a long term solution to continually lowering your score, its not the ball or the club, its learning how use them. But, like most folks, it's more fun to stay in an illusion....and manufacturers feed that illusion to stay in business....:loco:



The most important criteria for a golf ball, is consistency. If a ball's consistency is rated at the bottom of the barrel, the quality of the ball is in the same place. The "lease consistent manufactured ball", is by definition, the "lowest quality (performing) ball".

You either misread the facts or read a different report: (Just a moment... (https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/stay-away-from-this-golf-ball/))

"The Costco golf ball is not worth your money. Honestly, I hate to be the one to tell you this, but your membership is probably better used on a rental car discount, a couple gallons of Mayo, or even their four pack of gloves. After we ran these through our quality ball lab, the KSig scored a whopping 45 out of a hundred on the chart.

That’s the third lowest scoring ball in all of MyGolfSpy history. And we’ve been at this for a while. Compression scored 93 out of a hundred on the scale. Which is actually a little bit firmer than your regular Pro V1. And not to mention The Kirkland Signature golf ball, it’s one of the spinniest balls, yes that’s a word, that we’ve ever tested. And I mean ever.

Look, I totally get it. You’re on the hunt for a deal. I would be too. But it’s hard for me to recommend the Kirkland ball to really anybody, scoring 45 out of 100 on the scale. So if you want to avoid losing anywhere from 6 to 10 strokes on your game, or, who knows, possibly slicing the s*** out of the ball, I’d avoid the Kirkland altogether."

[Stu from NYC]

Just watch out for the gators... A member in our group was doing that and got chased away by a gator protecting his turf... He did get his golf balls back though...

Thanks. Will have my wife take over the ball retrieval.:MOJE_whot:

[BrianL99]

Unlike other manufacturers Titleist does not pay their Pros for playing the ball.



That is incorrect.

Titleist has traditionally made the most consistent golf ball and offers close to 10 different variations to PGA Tour players who use Titleist balls.

Titleist absolutely pays players to play their golf ball, although typically not via a "contract" as other manufacturers do.

Titleist works on a "Bonus Pool" type system, with various payments for use of the ball, # of "shots shown on TV", Top 10's, Top 25's, wins, etc.

[dewilson58]

So I asked, what is the best way to get a Pro V1 at a lower price. I was told buy the X-Out
Pro V1. They use them for range balls as well. I asked whats the matter with them. I was told they have passed all the tests, BUT, we were not totaling happy with the paint job. Other companies will take balls that did not pass a test and put a different name on them.

So, no matter what Titleist Product you buy, their quality control/consistency outshines everyone else by a mile.

There is not one Villager who needs to be paying the premium price for ProV's.
It's all marketing and all the Village purchasers are suckers.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[Fastskiguy]

As I toured the Titeist Golf Ball plant I began to wonder why their ball is the best. And yes! It is matter of consistency. Thru out all of their golf ball lines their quality control checks are the highest and most stringent. Other companies would take lower consistent balls and rename them. If a ball does not meet a check point it is tossed. And there are a lot of checkpoints. More costly.

The average player will get more help with a golf lesson than a golf ball change. The ball will not save you anywhere near the strokes that learning better technique will. BUT, the ball is an easier road to maintain your illusion.

Unlike other manufacturers Titleist does not pay their Pros for playing the ball. While other ball manufacturers do. Tiger plays the Bridgestone because it's the best ball in golf,LOL. He has millions of reasons to play it.

Now that being said, the illusion that these balls are just like a Pro V1 is just that, wishful thinking. A Kia isn't a BMW.........

So I asked, what is the best way to get a Pro V1 at a lower price. I was told buy the X-Out
Pro V1. They use them for range balls as well. I asked whats the matter with them. I was told they have passed all the tests, BUT, we were not totaling happy with the paint job. Other companies will take balls that did not pass a test and put a different name on them.

So, no matter what Titleist Product you buy, their quality control/consistency outshines everyone else by a mile. So, if your looking for a long term solution to continually lowering your score, its not the ball or the club, its learning how use them. But, like most folks, it's more fun to stay in an illusion....and manufacturers feed that illusion to stay in business....:loco:

Off topic but do all of their balls go thru the same QC or is it just the ProV1? I'm hitting the Titleist Velocity because I like the name and need the lower spin numbers (kinda wild off of the tee if you know what I mean). As it's their low end ball....is it as consistent ball to ball as their premium balls?

Joe

[darkim]

Are you mostly playing at an Executive Course or at Championship Courses?

Some balls have more spin than others and some balls have a softer shell than others. Example - Kirkland balls have reported a much higher spin rate than others, plus they have a softer cover which could damage and effect ball flight on longer holes. BUT ... can't beat the Costco price.

FYI ... there's a great video on YouTube from Titelist ...search "The Titelist Pro V1 Story / 25 years of Innovation"

NOTE: you can get slightly used balls (almost all brands) for very good prices online.

[Philmurtaugh]

Have any of you ever logged into MGGolf.com? You should take a look

[mrf6969]

Swing speeds here in TV are 90 and less. As we get older, any soft balls will do.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Swing speeds here in TV are 90 and less. As we get older, any soft balls will do.
That's what she said.

[Snakster66]

Swing speeds here in TV are 90 and less. As we get older, any soft balls will do.

One shouldn't make sweeping generalizations. They're always wrong.

[retiredguy123]

Move over Kirkland, Sam's is rockin' the boat.

Some may remember the famous Kirkland Golf Ball, that lead to a lawsuit with Titleist. Kirkland (Costco) hasn't sold that ball for years. instead, Kirkland has sold another ball, that's the worst quality ball ever tested, by MyGolfSpy (Just a moment... (https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/stay-away-from-this-golf-ball/))

Sam's has just introduced a Member's Mark 3-Piece, Urethane covered golf ball. $27.98 for 2 Dozen.

Just a moment... (https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/first-look/sams-club-launches-members-mark-golf-balls/)

Let us know you'''re not a robot - Sam'''s Club (https://www.samsclub.com/p/member-s-mark-golf-ball/P990365444?xid=plp_product_2)

That's a steal for 2 Dozen, Urethane covered golf balls. (You might still be able to buy 2022 Trust (3-Piece, Urethane) on Amazon for about $18/Dozen, when you buy (4))

I know Villagers love a deal!
I remember when Nike was sued years ago for selling a ball that they claimed was the same ball that Tiger Woods used. It wasn't. It made me quit the game.

[SHIBUMI]

Titleist like its golf balls pays for performance.............they don't pay a standard dollar amount contract... you don't get a millions for breathing, you have to earn it.:pray:



That is incorrect.

Titleist has traditionally made the most consistent golf ball and offers close to 10 different variations to PGA Tour players who use Titleist balls.

Titleist absolutely pays players to play their golf ball, although typically not via a "contract" as other manufacturers do.

Titleist works on a "Bonus Pool" type system, with various payments for use of the ball, # of "shots shown on TV", Top 10's, Top 25's, wins, etc.

[SHIBUMI]

No one driving 6,000 miles a year should own a BMW either....... its a choice

Titleist is primarily a golf ball company. Callaway, Taylormade ,Ping, Sxrizon, are primarily golf club companies...... Bridgestone is a tire company that doesn't make rubber golf balls
Kirkland makes food products.

Now, when you look down 100 times at your golf ball, if you look down less your a better golfer. do you want to see a food product, a tire, a Big Bertha or other golf club, or the word that epitomizes the best quality in golf balls, a Titleist. Its your call and the value of that is PRICELESS!:o




There is not one Villager who needs to be paying the premium price for ProV's.
It's all marketing and all the Village purchasers are suckers.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[SHIBUMI]

The short answer is yes. They will not put their name on any golf ball (anything)that has not met their quality control.

Velocity...LOL......... years ago I attended a consumer meeting for Wilson Golf Balls. No mention was made of the golf ball quality or how it was made. They passed out a piece of paper and asked everyone, Write down 10 words that would entice you into buying a golf ball.
So we would get......... Straighter , More Distance, Xtra Distance, Long Distance, a softer ball for women and seniors, and thats what they wrote on the boxes. thats marketing
Today you will see more science oriented qualities of golf balls Ai generated etc etc. LOL

Velocity is a word that excites you, it works, the fact that it has the name Titleist on it guarantees it quality.

Titleist biggest asset is the name and it protects it at all costs because it resonates quality. When you hear Callaway, Taylormade, etc your mind doesn't conjure up quality golf balls.

At times I played the Velocity ball, I liked the way it felt off the club face, it felt harder. I changed to a Pro V1 for the to the green shots, drop and stop, and softer putter feel.

I asked what the differences in distance were between golf balls. The answer was 5 yards.

You don't have to play a Pro V1....... But if you want quality and consistency best to play anything that says Titleist on it.......:clap2:

Off topic but do all of their balls go thru the same QC or is it just the ProV1? I'm hitting the Titleist Velocity because I like the name and need the lower spin numbers (kinda wild off of the tee if you know what I mean). As it's their low end ball....is it as consistent ball to ball as their premium balls?

Joe

[SHIBUMI]

Titleist did pay someone for breathing...........but it wasn't to promote their golf ball...... It was a tribute to a great ball striker, some say the best ever................Mo Norman............ I stand corrected


Titleist like its golf balls pays for performance.............they don't pay a standard dollar amount contract... you don't get a millions for breathing, you have to earn it.:pray:

[BrianL99]

NOTE: you can get slightly used balls (almost all brands) for very good prices online.

JUNK!


Just a moment... (https://mygolfspy.com/news-opinion/throw-these-golf-balls-away/)

[lawgolfer]

Off topic but do all of their balls go thru the same QC or is it just the ProV1? I'm hitting the Titleist Velocity because I like the name and need the lower spin numbers (kinda wild off of the tee if you know what I mean). As it's their low end ball....is it as consistent ball to ball as their premium balls?

Joe

The best information I've read about balls in 70years of playing golf, was an interview with a Titleist representative that was published in Golf magazine. He admitted that the differences between the many model made by Titleist were very small. He also admitted that the Velocity was the company's longest ball by a couple of yards. Finally, he explained that the ProV1 and ProV1x performed the best in the performance characteristics desired by most professionals--low spin off the driver; high spin off the wedge; "feel" around the greens; and a satisfying "click" off the putter.

He went on to explain that most golfers will not be aware of these differences. He concluded by recommending that golfers play the different models and choose the one that they were most satisfied with, while doing their best to ignore whether it was a ProV1 or an NXT. My thought after reading the article was that the man was probably fired the day after the magazine was published.

This article got my head straight about golf balls and fits with everything I've experienced from playing with a handicap that has ranged from 5 to 15. For what it is worth, the biggest differences in golf equipment that will have the greatest effect on your game is not the ball, the brand of club, or your shoes--it is the shaft; the material from which the shaft is made; the flex of the shaft; and the place on the shaft where it flexes. I've assembled hundreds of new clubs and changed hundreds of shafts. Currently, there are six men out of my group of 25 who are playing clubs in which I have changed the shafts to meet their individual characteristics or to correct mistakes in their assembly. All have enjoyed great improvement in their average scores. Interestingly, the worst clubs I have had to modify were "custom fitted". The two worst were a set of PXG irons that had a swingweight of C2 and felt like you were trying to hit the ball with a paper bag tied on the end of a stick. The next worst was a set of Ping woods in which the driver was C9; the 3 wood C6; and the 5 wood D6. I couldn't believe that either set had been allowed to leave the factory.

[BrianL99]

One shouldn't make sweeping generalizations. They're always wrong.

Swing speeds here in TV are 90 and less. As we get older, any soft balls will do.

mrf6969 is wrong on both counts.

There are plenty of Swing Speeds over 90 in TV and hardly anyone benefits from a "softer ball". It's all about "feel". Some people like the feel of a softer ball, so they use one.

A harder golf ball will travel further, under almost all conditions. The only time that changes, is when spin becomes an issue. (If a player cannot produce sufficient spin to get the ball in the air.)

If I'm not mistaken, you said you play Vice Pro Tour? That ball is recommended for higher swing speeds, but is longer for most swing speeds, than the Vice Pro Soft. Personally, I hit the Tour Pro about 4-5 yards longer than the Pro Soft and my swing speed rarely reaches 90.

[BrianL99]

Unlike other manufacturers Titleist does not pay their Pros for playing the ball. :

Titleist like its golf balls pays for performance.............they don't pay a standard dollar amount contract... you don't get a millions for breathing, you have to earn it.:pray:

Titleist did pay someone for breathing...........but it wasn't to promote their golf ball...... It was a tribute to a great ball striker, some say the best ever................Mo Norman............ I stand corrected


So now you understand that Titleist DOES pay professionals to use their golf ball and has for at least 50 years.?



Titleist is primarily a golf ball company. Callaway, Taylormade ,Ping, Sxrizon, are primarily golf club companies...... Bridgestone is a tire company that doesn't make rubber golf balls
Kirkland makes food products.



Titleist is not a "company" that makes golf balls. Titleist is a Brand Name owned by the Acushnet Holdings Corp, which was formerly owned by Fortune Brands and is a public company, in which Fila Korea owns a controlling interest. Acushnet Holdings makes Titleist golf balls.

Bridgestone is actually, Bridgestone Golf, Inc.
Bridgestone Golf manufactures golf balls in Covington, Georgia. They are a subsidiary of Bridgestone Sports Co. Ltd., a Japanese company that also makes tires.

It's obvious you don't like "rubber companies", but Acushnet began as a "rubber company" and later split into 2 companies. Almost all golf balls in the world are made by companies who make tires.

[BrianL99]

The two worst were a set of PXG irons that had a swingweight of C2 and felt like you were trying to hit the ball with a paper bag tied on the end of a stick. The next worst was a set of Ping woods in which the driver was C9; the 3 wood C6; and the 5 wood D6. I couldn't believe that either set had been allowed to leave the factory.

Swingweight is probably the least relevant of any golf club characteristic. It has zero basis in science. It's simply a calculation of the weight, based on a 14" fulcrum, which was a number Robert Adams picked from the sky. The average person could never tell the difference between a Swingweight of C-6 vs C-9.

Overall weight, weight distribution, shaft weight vs clubhead weight, flex characteristics and balance point, are all much more important than Swingweight.

Archimedes once said, "Give me a place to stand and I can move the earth", which perfect illustrates fallacy of Swingweight as a measurement. You can give a Telephone Pole a "swingweight" of C-9 if you wanted to. It means nothing.

If you really wanted to quantify a club's "feel", the only way to do it, would probably be a MOI Swing Auditor, which could theoretically match clubs to "feel" the same. What's next? Did you tell them you were going to find the NBP of the shafts, too?

[BrianL99]

There is not one Villager who needs to be paying the premium price for ProV's.
It's all marketing and all the Village purchasers are suckers.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:


As was once said of me at a Town Meeting, "I don't want to be quoted in the newspapers as agreeing with Brian, but I agree with him".

You're probably 98% correct. There's hardly a golfer in The Villages, who benefits from the playing characteristics and consistency of Titleist golf balls.

There are even fewer, whose golf game justifies the nearly $5/per ball cost. Based on the number of Titleists I find, apparently there's a whole lot of "ego purchasing" going on.

[SHIBUMI]

The best you will get out of another golf ball is 4-5 yards. I cant believe that matters to anyone. The best you will get out of a golf lesson is 15-20 yards.

Its your choice...........



mrf6969 is wrong on both counts.

There are plenty of Swing Speeds over 90 in TV and hardly anyone benefits from a "softer ball". It's all about "feel". Some people like the feel of a softer ball, so they use one.

A harder golf ball will travel further, under almost all conditions. The only time that changes, is when spin becomes an issue. (If a player cannot produce sufficient spin to get the ball in the air.)

If I'm not mistaken, you said you play Vice Pro Tour? That ball is recommended for higher swing speeds, but is longer for most swing speeds, than the Vice Pro Soft. Personally, I hit the Tour Pro about 4-5 yards longer than the Pro Soft and my swing speed rarely reaches 90.

[SHIBUMI]

Golf is about individual feel and about perception.

I don't hit a nitro because just looking at the name gives me a negative feeling. You want the ball you hit to give you a positive feeling. Part of the sacred script is the font for Titleist.
I enjoy driving a BMW even though I only drive 6,000 miles a year. So what!

What a player should play on paper and what he likes to play may be 2 different things. It's a feel good thing. If it weren't, then why are folks with 8 handicaps or more playing PXG.
Over priced just like a BMW.

If you try to make sense out of golfers you're going down the wrong road. At any level, you play that which makes you feel the best. Lessons and not equipment are the best road for improvement.:clap2:


As was once said of me at a Town Meeting, "I don't want to be quoted in the newspapers as agreeing with Brian, but I agree with him".

You're probably 98% correct. There's hardly a golfer in The Villages, who benefits from the playing characteristics and consistency of Titleist golf balls.

There are even fewer, whose golf game justifies the nearly $5/per ball cost. Based on the number of Titleists I find, apparently there's a whole lot of "ego purchasing" going on.

[BrianL99]

The best you will get out of another golf ball is 4-5 yards. I cant believe that matters to anyone. The best you will get out of a golf lesson is 15-20 yards.

Its your choice...........

You're only off by 15 yards, but why quibble?

Just a moment... (https://mygolfspy.com/buyers-guides/golf-balls/2023-golf-ball-test/)

[SHIBUMI]

Yes, total weight is a much better feel criteria. A swing weight is the weight of a dime, so of course feeling changes are very difficult. swing weight is a little nebulis, but, if the head on the shaft doesn't balance with the tip of the shaft then weight is added to the tip to create a balance. (Fulcrum). Key word here is weight is added, they are not likely to shave the head. So, will a D5 feel heavier than a C5, of course.
Put 10 dimes in your hand and you will feel a difference from 1 dime.

Shaft flex is far too complicated, as there is no standard. The flex is constant thru one manufacturer but not the next. The club makers don't make the shafts. They are contracted to make their heads feel and act the way they want. A Ping stiff is different from a Callaway Stiff from a Titleist stiff. Mostly due to flex points. And when you change shafts you risk the head not acting like it was designed. Answer is to find your flex within the ones offered by the company whose clubs you bought.

People are not MOI Swing monitors, and thats who swing the clubs. It's like saying the Iron Byron Machine is the best tool for hitting research. If you put legs and a brain on that machine it would hit them just as crooked. LOL

We keep going back to the same thing. Get a swing before you buy clubs. Watch the demo days someday. 90% of the folks doing the demo, don't have a golf swing. Isn't it a great business!













Swingweight is probably the least relevant of any golf club characteristic. It has zero basis in science. It's simply a calculation of the weight, based on a 14" fulcrum, which was a number Robert Adams picked from the sky. The average person could never tell the difference between a Swingweight of C-6 vs C-9.

Overall weight, weight distribution, shaft weight vs clubhead weight, flex characteristics and balance point, are all much more important than Swingweight.

Archimedes once said, "Give me a place to stand and I can move the earth", which perfect illustrates fallacy of Swingweight as a measurement. You can give a Telephone Pole a "swingweight" of C-9 if you wanted to. It means nothing.

If you really wanted to quantify a club's "feel", the only way to do it, would probably be a MOI Swing Auditor, which could theoretically match clubs to "feel" the same.

[SHIBUMI]

Humans did not hit those golf balls. Humans don't hit the center of the club face that often. Factor the Human element in and you will get 5-6 yards. Try it. Regular golfers don't get 115 mph speed.

If YOU go out and hit those 2 balls, you will not get a 20 yard difference.
Nice advertising though!


You're only off by 15 yards, but why quibble?

Just a moment... (https://mygolfspy.com/buyers-guides/golf-balls/2023-golf-ball-test/)

[SHIBUMI]

thanks, if you look at your different swing speed charts you will see a 5-6 yard difference top to bottom as I mentioned. That puts the human element into the equation. A very nice chart.


You're only off by 15 yards, but why quibble?

Just a moment... (https://mygolfspy.com/buyers-guides/golf-balls/2023-golf-ball-test/)

[BrianL99]

Yes, total weight is a much better feel criteria. A swing weight is the weight of a dime, so of course feeling changes are very difficult. swing weight is a little nebulis, but, if the head on the shaft doesn't balance with the tip of the shaft then weight is added to the tip to create a balance. (Fulcrum).


Please stop confusing people. "Swingweight" is not a "weight", it is a "relative weight, based on a 14" fulcrum. A Swingweight can't be "the weight of a dime", again, because it is ONLY a relative weight. It's not a like a "Caret", which has an absolute weight.



... the flex is constant thru one manufacturer but not the next. The club makers don't make the shafts. They are contracted to make their heads feel and act the way they want. A Ping stiff is different from a Callaway Stiff from a Titleist stiff. Mostly due to flex points. And when you change shafts you risk the head not acting like it was designed. Answer is to find your flex within the ones offered by the company whose clubs you bought.



Again, that is not correct. The only reasonably accepted way to subjectively measure shaft "stiffness" is with a CPM machine. Unfortunately, that only measures frequency at specific points, so it's not a fair characterization of the flex, along the length of the shaft.

Manufacturers are free to put a Flex Designation on their shafts, in any way they wish. They all measure flex differently and design individual shafts differently. Nary a single manufacture has a specific "butt (or tip) frequency" that causes them to designate a shaft as "stiff", "medium" or otherwise.

In other words, your statement that a Manufacturers flex standard is constant throughout their line, is incorrect.

Attached are the Specs for the Fujikura Ventus line of shafts (which I play). You'll notice that EVERY shaft model designated as "Regular Flex", has a different amount of measured flex.

Almost every golf club manufacturer, uses an "off the shelf" shaft, that their specific tests show, will appeal to the widest number of customers. It's a search for the lowest common denominator. There has never been a golf club sold in the universe, that a given player couldn't improve its performance, by installing an after-market shaft, matched to their swing characteristics. Unfortunately, the search for the optimal shaft is cost prohibited, given the minuscule return for most people.

[SHIBUMI]

sorry wrong word........the shafts a club maker selects have a constant flex standard. And they picked those shafts to make the head perform as it was designed.


Please stop confusing people. "Swingweight" is not a "weight", it is a "relative weight, based on a 14" fulcrum. A Swingweight can't be "the weight of a dime", again, because it is ONLY a relative weight. It's not a like a "Caret", which has an absolute weight.




Again, that is not correct. The only reasonably accepted way to subjectively measure shaft "stiffness" is with a CPM machine. Unfortunately, that only measures frequency at specific points, so it's not a fair characterization of the flex, along the length of the shaft.

Manufacturers are free to put a Flex Designation on their shafts, in any way they wish. They all measure flex differently and design individual shafts differently. Nary a single manufacture has a specific "butt (or tip) frequency" that causes them to designate a shaft as "stiff", "medium" or otherwise.

In other words, your statement that a Manufacturers flex standard is constant throughout their line, is incorrect.

Attached are the Specs for the Fujikura Ventus line of shafts (which I play). You'll notice that EVERY shaft model designated as "Regular Flex", has a different amount of measured flex.

Almost every golf club manufacturer, uses an "off the shelf" shaft, that their specific tests show, will appeal to the widest number of customers. It's a search for the lowest common denominator. There has never been a golf club sold in the universe, that a given player couldn't improve its performance, by installing an after-market shaft, matched to their swing characteristics. Unfortunately, the search for the optimal shaft is cost prohibited, given the minuscule return for most people.

[SHIBUMI]

Okay, something has to tip the scale. That something is not a relative weight. It's an actual weight even if you think the scale is bogus. add real weight to one end and the scale changes.
That real weight is the weight of 1 dime for 1 movement on the scale.

Although you want to trash the scale, something has to move the meter reading. It's a dime per measurement . However, your right in a golfers ability to feel it vs total weight.



on the scalePlease stop confusing people. "Swingweight" is not a "weight", it is a "relative weight, based on a 14" fulcrum. A Swingweight can't be "the weight of a dime", again, because it is ONLY a relative weight. It's not a like a "Caret", which has an absolute weight.




Again, that is not correct. The only reasonably accepted way to subjectively measure shaft "stiffness" is with a CPM machine. Unfortunately, that only measures frequency at specific points, so it's not a fair characterization of the flex, along the length of the shaft.

Manufacturers are free to put a Flex Designation on their shafts, in any way they wish. They all measure flex differently and design individual shafts differently. Nary a single manufacture has a specific "butt (or tip) frequency" that causes them to designate a shaft as "stiff", "medium" or otherwise.

In other words, your statement that a Manufacturers flex standard is constant throughout their line, is incorrect.

Attached are the Specs for the Fujikura Ventus line of shafts (which I play). You'll notice that EVERY shaft model designated as "Regular Flex", has a different amount of measured flex.

Almost every golf club manufacturer, uses an "off the shelf" shaft, that their specific tests show, will appeal to the widest number of customers. It's a search for the lowest common denominator. There has never been a golf club sold in the universe, that a given player couldn't improve its performance, by installing an after-market shaft, matched to their swing characteristics. Unfortunately, the search for the optimal shaft is cost prohibited, given the minuscule return for most people.

[BrianL99]

Okay, something has to tip the scale. That something is not a relative weight. It's an actual weight even if you think the scale is bogus. add real weight to one end and the scale changes.
That real weight is the weight of 1 dime for 1 movement on the scale.

Although you want to trash the scale, something has to move the meter reading. It's a dime per measurement . However, your right in a golfers ability to feel it vs total weight.
on the scale

That is incorrect.

It depends on which end you place the dime. A dime "weighs" a different amount (to simplify, using your words), depending on which end of the scale you place the dime ... in other words, its distance from the fulcrum will determine its "weight".

If you put the dime on the "grip end", it will "weigh" only about 1/3 of what it would "weigh" on the Clubhead side (using a Driver). Again, the Fulcrum is at 14". (For simplicity's sake, L X W = moment.)

Read Archimedes Law of the Lever. (Archimedes' Law of the Lever (https://math.nyu.edu/Archimedes/Lever/LeverLaw.html))

Which is why a Telephone Pole can have the EXACT same Swingweight, as a Taylormade Driver.

I'm not a fan of Dave Tutelman, but he does a good job of explaining exactly what a Swingweight Scale measures and why: Design Notes - Heft: swingweight and MOI p1 (https://www.tutelman.com/golf/design/swingwt1_.html)

FYI, this is also the theory behind "counter-weighted" putter grips or counter-balanced putters. By placing weight directly under the top of the grip, you can "fool" the Swingweight scale. CounterCore Putter Weights (https://superstrokeusa.com/collections/putter-weights?srsltid=AfmBOorkIA9_aKKWlETA4w4vhfpHrDR5Cl LfeWVOAq3yCq5vQs0k6NlE)

[SHIBUMI]

I am on a seesaw and I weigh 250 lbs, the person on the other end of the seesaw
weighs 100 lbs. in order for the seesaw to have even balance, our goal, we have to add 150 lbs to the 100 lb end

I have a shaft on a fulcrum, the tip end of the shaft with the head is heavier than the butt end, the goal is equal balance, so I have to add something to the butt end to bring it into balance. The scale I am using right or wrong, says the club is e4 and I want it to read D4. So I put a banana on the butt end, but, I still need more, problem is the bananas are not all the same. So I decide to use a dime. I add one dime down on the butt end and the scale reads e3. It will take 10 dimes to get to D4.

now, whether D4 has been implanted by an alien creature or not, the fact remains that the weight of the dime changed the reading. It changed the reading....the guy on the seesaw moved to equal........there is nothing relative here except the scale itself
the dime changed the reading. The dime is actual and not theoretical. I will assume you have never used a swing weight scale and given it the dime test. Just so you know, whether the dime is heads or tails doesn't matter.
Again, total weight is always more important............. good nite Brian

That is incorrect.

It depends on which end you place the dime. A dime "weighs" a different amount (to simplify, using your words), depending on which end of the scale you place the dime ... in other words, its distance from the fulcrum will determine its "weight".

If you put the dime on the "grip end", it will "weigh" only about 1/3 of what it would "weigh" on the Clubhead side (using a Driver). Again, the Fulcrum is at 14". (For simplicity's sake, L X W = moment.)

Read Archimedes Law of the Lever. (Archimedes' Law of the Lever (https://math.nyu.edu/Archimedes/Lever/LeverLaw.html))

Which is why a Telephone Pole can have the EXACT same Swingweight, as a Taylormade Driver.

I'm not a fan of Dave Tutelman, but he does a good job of explaining exactly what a Swingweight Scale measures and why: Design Notes - Heft: swingweight and MOI p1 (https://www.tutelman.com/golf/design/swingwt1_.html)

FYI, this is also the theory behind "counter-weighted" putter grips or counter-balanced putters. By placing weight directly under the top of the grip, you can "fool" the Swingweight scale. CounterCore Putter Weights (https://superstrokeusa.com/collections/putter-weights?srsltid=AfmBOorkIA9_aKKWlETA4w4vhfpHrDR5Cl LfeWVOAq3yCq5vQs0k6NlE)

[tophcfa]

I buy my golf balls from lost golf balls.com. I get a bucket of 96 premium quality Titleist Velocities for about $1 per ball. The balls are as good as new and a bucket easily lasts 2-3 years.

[BrianL99]

I am on a seesaw and I weigh 250 lbs, the person on the other end of the seesaw
weighs 100 lbs. in order for the seesaw to have even balance, our goal, we have to add 150 lbs to the 100 lb end




You would be correct, IF a Swingweight scale operated like a seesaw, it does not.

A Seesaw has the fulcrum in the center, a Swingweight scale has the fulcrum, 14" from the Butt end of the club. The formula for simplicity sake, is L x W = L x W.

If a Driver is 45" long, putting a dime on the Butt (14" from the fulcrum) makes the dime weigh 1 Unit. Placing the dime on the clubhead end, makes the dime weigh 3.21 Units. (The actual weight doesn't change, but the moment does.)

A Swingweight scale does NOT measure "weight" in any way, shape or form. It is an attempt to quantify "feel" (balance point), by using "moment".

5th grade Math, 11th grade physics.

It is why when we try to move a boulder in our back yard, instead of using a screwdriver as a lever, we use a pry bar.

See the attached visual and you'll understand how it works. Notice in the 4th & 5th sentence, it explains you have consider the distance from the fulcrum and multiply.

[ehonour]

Wow. Here I am, a mediocre older golfer, typically shooting around bogey—like most of the golfers I meet in TV. One tee box, I'll get the ball in the center of my driver and hit it 210. The next tee box, I'll drop my right shoulder, look up to watch my great shot, and hit it off the toe about 110 yards into the brush on the right.

That contrast gets even worse when it comes to approach shots. If my drive was only 170 (sigh), then I'm having to pull out a 3-wood and try to hit the green. Lots of luck with that, with ANY ball. Even if I got that 210 drive and I'm hitting a 9-iron, I still sometimes mess up the swing and drop it in the bunker, or short of the green, or blade it all the way past. (It's a good thing I'm a reasonably good putter; I save a lot of holes that way.)

Obviously, I'm not a pro. Somehow, I don't think a little variation in ball performance is going to affect my game much. I play the Kirkland balls, and I don't worry about losing them because I get them in 2-dozen quantity and they're not so precious. [grin]

[mrf6969]

mrf6969 is wrong on both counts.

There are plenty of Swing Speeds over 90 in TV and hardly anyone benefits from a "softer ball". It's all about "feel". Some people like the feel of a softer ball, so they use one.

A harder golf ball will travel further, under almost all conditions. The only time that changes, is when spin becomes an issue. (If a player cannot produce sufficient spin to get the ball in the air.)

If I'm not mistaken, you said you play Vice Pro Tour? That ball is recommended for higher swing speeds, but is longer for most swing speeds, than the Vice Pro Soft. Personally, I hit the Tour Pro about 4-5 yards longer than the Pro Soft and my swing speed rarely reaches 90.

I was merely stating that the average 15-30 handicapper that plays here in TV, which is the vast majority of us, should be using the softer ball for better overall results. In this group of golfers, they do not care about spin or another 4-5 yards. I still get a kick out of high handicap golfers that buy very expensive clubs and hit the ProV balls and get sucked in to thinking this is going to help their game.

[BrianL99]

I was merely stating that the average 15-30 handicapper that plays here in TV, which is the vast majority of us, should be using the softer ball for better overall results. In this group of golfers, they do not care about spin or another 4-5 yards. I still get a kick out of high handicap golfers that buy very expensive clubs and hit the ProV balls and get sucked in to thinking this is going to help their game.

I did a test once, about 10 years ago.

10 rounds at the same course, using only Pro V1's ... average score a bit over 80.

10 rounds at the same, above course, using balls I found in the woods. Average score, a little under 80

My average score from the Blues on Championship courses in TV, is about 77. I'll play any 3 piece ball with a urethane cover, that costs less than $2.50/ball. When I can't find 3 piece Urethane balls for less than $2.50, I'll be playing 2 piece balls, covered with whatever they're covered with.

Even Titleist reps will admit, Pro V1's are not the best ball choice, for the majority of recreational players.

[jimhoward]

Wow. Here I am, a mediocre older golfer, typically shooting around bogey—like most of the golfers I meet in TV. One tee box, I'll get the ball in the center of my driver and hit it 210. The next tee box, I'll drop my right shoulder, look up to watch my great shot, and hit it off the toe about 110 yards into the brush on the right.

That contrast gets even worse when it comes to approach shots. If my drive was only 170 (sigh), then I'm having to pull out a 3-wood and try to hit the green. Lots of luck with that, with ANY ball. Even if I got that 210 drive and I'm hitting a 9-iron, I still sometimes mess up the swing and drop it in the bunker, or short of the green, or blade it all the way past. (It's a good thing I'm a reasonably good putter; I save a lot of holes that way.)

Obviously, I'm not a pro. Somehow, I don't think a little variation in ball performance is going to affect my game much. I play the Kirkland balls, and I don't worry about losing them because I get them in 2-dozen quantity and they're not so precious. [grin]


A good ball might not affect your score much, but it can affect your enjoyment of the game.

A good ball will make your best shots, rare as they may be, better and have little effect on your bad shots.

A well struck short iron or wedge will hop and stop or even spin back on the green with a good ball. I may not do that very often, but it gives me great pleasure when I do.

The feel on chips, pitches and putts is also nice....regardless of the outcome.

Moreover, hitting a new clean top quality ball, like a pro V1 gives me confidence and makes me feel good. The fact that I make poor shots that spoil my score doesn't alter that fact.

I know guys, on the other hand, who would be driven insane if they played and lost many $5 golf balls on a daily basis. The expensive golf balls makes their enjoyment less.

My GHIN index is 18, yet I play forged irons. Why? Because the sweet feel of the occasional well struck shot is better than sex. Game improvement cavity backs take that away. I know it probably costs me a stroke or two.

Many seniors play Calloway Supersofts. I think it is the number 1 ball for seniors. Even at slow swing speeds those marshmallows do not go farther than a higher compression ball. But, they give you the feeling that you are compressing the ball. That makes people feel good.

Much of golf is about what gives you enjoyment and what you want out of the game.

[dewilson58]

I've play a lot of golf as a single.
If the pace is slow, I play two balls from the same place pretty much all 18.
Played many different balls.

A few rounds, I played Callaway Warbirds vs. ProV's.
Same distance (maybe Warbirds are slightly longer).
Approach shots..............about the same...............maybe a bit more spin with the ProV's.
But, both balls stop on the greens.

Warbirds, $20/dz.
ProV's, stupid price.

[BrianL99]

A well struck short iron or wedge will hop and stop or even spin back on the green with a good ball. I may not do that very often, but it gives me great pleasure when I do.
.....

My GHIN index is 18,


I've been between a 3 Index & 8 Index, for 20+ years. I can count on one hand, the number of times I've spun a ball back on a Green, not counting sand shots.



My GHIN index is 18, yet I play forged irons. Why? Because the sweet feel of the occasional well struck shot is better than sex. Game improvement cavity backs take that away. I know it probably costs me a stroke or two.

...




There is no "feel" difference between a "forged" golf club and a "cast" golf club. That's been proven over & over & over again. It's an old wive's tale. Almost all golf irons are made of carbon steel, 431 or 17-4ph stainless. Just use common sense. How could any of those steels, "feel" differently, when hitting a marshmallow (in comparison) golf ball? It defies logic. if you insist there's a different "feel", it's because you never hit the "sweet spot", which is tiny on an old set of forged irons. Naturally, it's going to feel better if you get lucky and hit the center of the club face. A modern forged or cast club, has an enhanced & larger sweet spot.

There has been only 1 set of irons produced by a major Club manufacturer, in both Forged & Investment Cast. The are the Hogan Edge GCD model, produced in 1994 & 1995. I happened to own a set of each. I witness (tested) at least 10 different Golf Professionals hit the 2 clubs, side by side. None of the 10 could consistently feel the difference. No average played would have any hope of "feeling" the difference.

There was a Golf Publication out in those days, called "Peterson's". It named the Hogan Edge GCD irons as the greatest irons ever produced ... which obviously caused a run on the irons. They're still a sought after collector's item. Peterson's tested both the Forged & Investment Cast versions, with the same result. No change in performance, no change in "feel". (The only difference in the 2 models, was the Forged irons had a touch less offset than the cast irons.)

The feel of a golf club is related to a number of design characteristics, none of which are related to whether a club is forged or cast. 80% of the Top 100 players on the PGA Tour use Cavity Back Irons. Rickie Fowler, Webb Simpson & Adam Scott, all switched out of forged blades, last year.

[jimhoward]

I've been between a 3 Index & 8 Index, for 20+ years. I can count on one hand, the number of times I've spun a ball back on a Green, not counting sand shots.





There is no "feel" difference between a "forged" golf club and a "cast" golf club. That's been proven over & over & over again. It's an old wive's tale. Almost all golf irons are made of carbon steel, 431 or 17-4ph stainless. Just use common sense. How could any of those steels, "feel" differently, when hitting a marshmallow (in comparison) golf ball? It defies logic. if you insist there's a different "feel", it's because you never hit the "sweet spot", which is tiny on an old set of forged irons. Naturally, it's going to feel better if you get lucky and hit the center of the club face. A modern forged or cast club, has an enhanced & larger sweet spot.

There has been only 1 set of irons produced by a major Club manufacturer, in both Forged & Investment Cast. The are the Hogan Edge GCD model, produced in 1994 & 1995. I happened to own a set of each. I witness (tested) at least 10 different Golf Professionals hit the 2 clubs, side by side. None of the 10 could consistently feel the difference. No average played would have any hope of "feeling" the difference.

There was a Golf Publication out in those days, called "Peterson's". It named the Hogan Edge GCD irons as the greatest irons ever produced ... which obviously caused a run on the irons. They're still a sought after collector's item. Peterson's tested both the Forged & Investment Cast versions, with the same result. No change in performance, no change in "feel". (The only difference in the 2 models, was the Forged irons had a touch less offset than the cast irons.)

The feel of a golf club is related to a number of design characteristics, none of which are related to whether a club is forged or cast. 80% of the Top 100 players on the PGA Tour use Cavity Back Irons. Rickie Fowler, Webb Simpson & Adam Scott, all switched out of forged blades, last year.

I believe Ricky Fowler is still using forged clubs. He switched from blades to mini cavity backs but they are still forged. I think that is the case for most of the players.

I have never had the opportunity to compare clubs cast versus forged that were otherwise identical. The cast clubs I have owned have been game improvement irons with big fat soles and thick top lines and offsets on the longer irons. The forged clubs I have owned have not been blades but have small cavities and small soles and thin top lines and smaller hitting area. I can definitely feel a difference. It might be all in my head and maybe in a scientific blind test I couldn't tell. But psychological factors matter. There is a saying in golf "feel isn't real". But in my head it feels real.

[BrianL99]

I believe Ricky Fowler is still using forged clubs. He switched from blades to mini cavity backs but they are still forged. I think that is the case for most of the players.




Rickie is playing Forged cavity-back, he just switched to Cobra King Black Edition Tour irons, the beginning of the year.



I have never had the opportunity to compare clubs cast versus forged that were otherwise identical. The cast clubs I have owned have been game improvement irons with big fat soles and thick top lines and offsets on the longer irons. The forged clubs I have owned have not been blades but have small cavities and small soles and thin top lines and smaller hitting area. I can definitely feel a difference. It might be all in my head and maybe in a scientific blind test I couldn't tell. But psychological factors matter. There is a saying in golf "feel isn't real". But in my head it feels real.

I think you're exactly right. "Feel" is a perception and most of the testing that's been done between Forged & Cast clubs, suggest that "sound" is more of a determining factor in a player's perception.

I don't know how old your clubs are, but the newer model "Player Distance" irons, look much more compact at address. In some cases, it's an optical illusion, but they don't look "clunky" and perform almost as well as a super-game-improvement iron. I play forged Srixon ZXi5's & PXG Gen6 0311's interchangeably and they both look almost as compact as a blade, at address.

I also play a set of Maxfli Australian Blades in my "retro bag" and they're probably the hardest to hit blades, ever made. The satisfaction of hitting a flush shot with my Srixons or PXG's is the exact same as hitting one with the Australian Blades, but it happens way more often and I score way better.

[Stu from NYC]

I buy my golf balls from lost golf balls.com. I get a bucket of 96 premium quality Titleist Velocities for about $1 per ball. The balls are as good as new and a bucket easily lasts 2-3 years.

Thought the bucket would last longer but how long do the balls last? Asking for a friend.:pepper2:

[BrianL99]

Thought the bucket would last longer but how long do the balls last? Asking for a friend.:pepper2:

No one in The Villages has every "worn out" a golf ball.

[Hape2Bhr]

No one in The Villages has every "worn out" a golf ball.

Incorrect. I have golf balls on either side of my sliding garage screens with threaded rod holding them on; every so often the threads begin to strip and I replace them as the threads wear out.

[Fastskiguy]

The short answer is yes. They will not put their name on any golf ball (anything)that has not met their quality control.

Velocity...LOL......... years ago I attended a consumer meeting for Wilson Golf Balls. No mention was made of the golf ball quality or how it was made. They passed out a piece of paper and asked everyone, Write down 10 words that would entice you into buying a golf ball.
So we would get......... Straighter , More Distance, Xtra Distance, Long Distance, a softer ball for women and seniors, and thats what they wrote on the boxes. thats marketing
Today you will see more science oriented qualities of golf balls Ai generated etc etc. LOL

Velocity is a word that excites you, it works, the fact that it has the name Titleist on it guarantees it quality.

Titleist biggest asset is the name and it protects it at all costs because it resonates quality. When you hear Callaway, Taylormade, etc your mind doesn't conjure up quality golf balls.

At times I played the Velocity ball, I liked the way it felt off the club face, it felt harder. I changed to a Pro V1 for the to the green shots, drop and stop, and softer putter feel.

I asked what the differences in distance were between golf balls. The answer was 5 yards.

You don't have to play a Pro V1....... But if you want quality and consistency best to play anything that says Titleist on it.......:clap2:

Thanks for the info :)

[Snakster66]

No one in The Villages has every "worn out" a golf ball.

How do you define "worn out"?