Lack of directional use

[Amylag]

I would like to put it out there to folks that are in the far-left lane coming into the roundabout and then decide to get off in that same left lane crossing over the right lane traffic that a directional WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, a DIRECTIONAL WOULD ALWAYS BE HELPFUL.

[Bill14564]

I would like to put it out there to folks that are in the far-left lane coming into the roundabout and then decide to get off in that same left lane crossing over the right lane traffic that a directional WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, a DIRECTIONAL WOULD ALWAYS BE HELPFUL.

I can't think of a situation where you would NOT exit from the inner/left lane of a roundabout to the left lane of the road. To exit into the right lane would require changing lanes within the roundabout which is a bad idea. But maybe I'm missing something.

As for signalling - yes, this is supposed to be done. On the other hand, the ONLY time signalling would resolve a conflict is if you were waiting to enter but you couldn't tell if the vehicle already in the roundabout was exiting.
- If the car didn't signal then you would have to wait and see what it did.
- If the car used its signal then you could pull in front of it knowing it was exiting and wouldn't hit you
- If the car had left its signal on then you could pull in front of it "knowing" it was exiting and could later explain that to the officer writing the accident report.

Personally, I wouldn't bet my safety on the other vehicle using it's signals properly; I would wait for it to commit to exiting before I entered the roundabout.

[gorillarick]

I think the opposite is even worse, you're in the right lane and you cut in front of me (in the left) to go left.

Several close calls in both situations. Plan Ahead !
You could also look before you turn your wheel.

[GpaVader]

I was told that in FL, using a turn signal was a sign of weakness

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yesterday I drove across 441 to the roundabout at El Camino Real, heading onto Morse. There's a gate house there, and I was in the right lane, planning on using the resident's gate - on the right.

I got into the roundabout while someone on my left IN the roundabout was starting their approach toward my location, and they were in the inner "left" lane. They tried to go into MY lane - while they were inside the roundabout. There was absolutely no reason for this woman to move from the inner lane to the outer lane within the roundabout. She beeped at me, and yelled at me. SHE - beeped at ME.

If she had stayed in her own lane, she could've exited at the next exit, before I had gotten to it. That was WHY I entered the circle when I did. Because if she had done what she was supposed to do, everyone would've gotten in and out of the circle safely and correctly.

Moral of the story:

If you are in a 2-lane traffic circle, exiting to a 2-lane road, then stay in your lane. You have NO reason to shift lanes while you're in that circle. You can move to the right lane AFTER you exit the circle.

[jimbomaybe]

Yesterday I drove across 441 to the roundabout at El Camino Real, heading onto Morse. There's a gate house there, and I was in the right lane, planning on using the resident's gate - on the right.

I got into the roundabout while someone on my left IN the roundabout was starting their approach toward my location, and they were in the inner "left" lane. They tried to go into MY lane - while they were inside the roundabout. There was absolutely no reason for this woman to move from the inner lane to the outer lane within the roundabout. She beeped at me, and yelled at me. SHE - beeped at ME.

If she had stayed in her own lane, she could've exited at the next exit, before I had gotten to it. That was WHY I entered the circle when I did. Because if she had done what she was supposed to do, everyone would've gotten in and out of the circle safely and correctly.

Moral of the story:

If you are in a 2-lane traffic circle, exiting to a 2-lane road, then stay in your lane. You have NO reason to shift lanes while you're in that circle. You can move to the right lane AFTER you exit the circle.
That I think is the inherent problem with roundabouts it is a matter of judgment, add to that the drivers who HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY, , my experience is that these drivers also seem to be traveling somewhat faster than the flow of traffic

[fdpaq0580]

Yesterday I drove across 441 to the roundabout at El Camino Real, heading onto Morse. There's a gate house there, and I was in the right lane, planning on using the resident's gate - on the right.

I got into the roundabout while someone on my left IN the roundabout was starting their approach toward my location, and they were in the inner "left" lane. They tried to go into MY lane - while they were inside the roundabout. There was absolutely no reason for this woman to move from the inner lane to the outer lane within the roundabout. She beeped at me, and yelled at me. SHE - beeped at ME.

If she had stayed in her own lane, she could've exited at the next exit, before I had gotten to it. That was WHY I entered the circle when I did. Because if she had done what she was supposed to do, everyone would've gotten in and out of the circle safely and correctly.

Moral of the story:

If you are in a 2-lane traffic circle, exiting to a 2-lane road, then stay in your lane. You have NO reason to shift lanes while you're in that circle. You can move to the right lane AFTER you exit the circle.

Not taking sides, but "she" thought she had a reason.
Many times, at some busy entries gates, I have seen folks in the right lane enter a roundabout as a person planning to exit from the center lane cut off the exiting vehicle before they can move to the resident lane, causing a traffic backup. Once in line, you are pretty well stuck as most folks seem to fiercely resent giving way for others to merge.
IF people would drive defensively, slow down, be courteous, allow plenty of room, and "chill", we would all be better off.

[PJ_Smiley]

The Sumter County Board of Commissioners publishes a pamphlet entitled “A Guide to Navigating Roundabouts in Sumter County, Florida.”
1. Within a roundabout, do not stop, except to avoid a collision; you have the right-of-way over entering traffic.
2. Do not change lanes in a roundabout.
3. DO NOT ENTER next to a vehicle in a roundabout, as that vehicle may be exiting at the next exit.
4. When you have passed the last exit before the one you want, use your right-turn signal and continue to use it through your exit.

https://www.sumtercountyfl.gov/DocumentCenter/View/3939/Roundabout-TriFold_Rev-02-08-12

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Not taking sides, but "she" thought she had a reason.
Many times, at some busy entries gates, I have seen folks in the right lane enter a roundabout as a person planning to exit from the center lane cut off the exiting vehicle before they can move to the resident lane, causing a traffic backup. Once in line, you are pretty well stuck as most folks seem to fiercely resent giving way for others to merge.
IF people would drive defensively, slow down, be courteous, allow plenty of room, and "chill", we would all be better off.

She wasn't exiting at the gate exit. She was exiting onto El Camino Real. She had come FROM the gate, gone around. I was entering from the opposite direction, at 441. I was going around 2 exits, she was going around 3 exits. I saw her coming when she had just passed Paige Place, and she was in the inside lane. I was heading around from the outside lane, and knew there would be plenty of room, and time, for both of us to do our thing.

But as I was in the process of entering the roundabout, SHE cut over to MY lane, while she was still circling the roundabout. Which is something you're not supposed to do.

Even if she was going through the gate - the INSIDE gate is the visitor's gate - and the gate guy doesn't check to see if you're a resident or guest, he just opens the gate to let you through. So it wouldn't matter if she was headed all the way around (effectively performing a U-turn). She was in the inside lane, she should've stayed in it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The Sumter County Board of Commissioners publishes a pamphlet entitled “A Guide to Navigating Roundabouts in Sumter County, Florida.”
1. Within a roundabout, do not stop, except to avoid a collision; you have the right-of-way over entering traffic.
2. Do not change lanes in a roundabout.
3. DO NOT ENTER next to a vehicle in a roundabout, as that vehicle may be exiting at the next exit.
4. When you have passed the last exit before the one you want, use your right-turn signal and continue to use it through your exit.

https://www.sumtercountyfl.gov/DocumentCenter/View/3939/Roundabout-TriFold_Rev-02-08-12

Right. I didn't enter "next to" her. I was -ahead- of her. Or would have been if she hadn't suddenly swerved into my lane as I was entering.

[Bill14564]

Right. I didn't enter "next to" her. I was -ahead- of her. Or would have been if she hadn't suddenly swerved into my lane as I was entering.

It still sounds as though a car was approaching in the roundabout and you calculated that you wouldn’t interfere because you would be using the inside lane while she would be using the outside.


The correct thing to do is to yield for traffic already in the roundabout. Period. No calculation, no inside/outside, just yield to any traffic already there. If you had done that then she would have been in no position to interfere with you (and vice versa)

[fdpaq0580]

It still sounds as though a car was approaching in the roundabout and you calculated that you wouldn’t interfere because you would be using the inside lane while she would be using the outside.


The correct thing to do is to yield for traffic already in the roundabout. Period. No calculation, no inside/outside, just yield to any traffic already there. If you had done that then she would have been in no position to interfere with you (and vice versa)

Yup!

[justjim]

Absolutely, “correct thing to do is yield to every car already in the roundabout”. However, people are in a hurry and expect others to get out of their way. Works until it doesn’t. However, roundabouts are proven to be much safer than traffic signals.

[Pairadocs]

I would like to put it out there to folks that are in the far-left lane coming into the roundabout and then decide to get off in that same left lane crossing over the right lane traffic that a directional WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, a DIRECTIONAL WOULD ALWAYS BE HELPFUL.

I TOTALLY AGREE if we could/would do just that one simple thing, ALWAYS use your directional signals, no matter where or what the actual law requires... we'd save a TON of money and so many LIVES. Won't stop all the nearly daily carnage here, but sure would have a huge impact ! Best part, it's a no cost solution, no additional signs, painting, road work, etc., just use signals regardless. Doing same in golf carts would also BE GREAT. One last tip, when you intend to turn right, use the RIGHT signal, not the left ! Some cars seem to use the opposite, but a LOT of golf carts definitely do. That's a killer habit for sure !

[fdpaq0580]

The Sumter County Board of Commissioners publishes a pamphlet entitled “A Guide to Navigating Roundabouts in Sumter County, Florida.”
1. Within a roundabout, do not stop, except to avoid a collision; you have the right-of-way over entering traffic.
2. Do not change lanes in a roundabout.
3. DO NOT ENTER next to a vehicle in a roundabout, as that vehicle may be exiting at the next exit.
4. When you have passed the last exit before the one you want, use your right-turn signal and continue to use it through your exit.

https://www.sumtercountyfl.gov/DocumentCenter/View/3939/Roundabout-TriFold_Rev-02-08-12

#2 sounds very simple. But, is it?
You approach the RB from the inside (#1) lane intending to exit at exit 3. Passing exit/entrance 1 you travel in the center (#1) lane.
As you approach exit 2, you have options. Go straight ahead, which requires you to enter lane 2 to cross to your exit.
At this point I feel it is important to state that all entrances and exits must spend some time in the outer lane of the RB.
So, central lane (#1) decides to continue to exit 3. You can continue in the center lane. But if you continue as if you were going straight ahead, you will notice that you cross a broken line going into the outer lane. Once in the outer lane, you will notice that there is now a broken line on your left. A broken line can be crossed, so can't you make your lane change at that point? After all, there should be no traffic trying to pass on your right as going straight at exit 2 is one of your options.
Seems actually a better option than trying to cross 2 lanes at once at exit 3, as I often see cars approaching from lane 2, pushing in expecting center lane traffic to continue in the center going around.
Just a different point of view.

[CarlR33]

They tried to go into MY lane - while they were inside the roundabout. There was absolutely no reason for this woman to move from the inner lane to the outer lane within the roundabout. She beeped at me, and yelled at me. SHE - beeped at ME.

If she had stayed in her own lane, she could've exited at the next exit, before I had gotten to it. That was WHY I entered the circle when I did. Because if she had done what she was supposed to do, everyone would've gotten in and out of the circle safely and correctly. Probably did not know that residents CAN use the guest gate same as the resident gate.

[Bill14564]

#2 sounds very simple. But, is it?
You approach the RB from the inside (#1) lane intending to exit at exit 3. Passing exit/entrance 1 you travel in the center (#1) lane.
As you approach exit 2, you have options. Go straight ahead, which requires you to enter lane 2 to cross to your exit.
At this point I feel it is important to state that all entrances and exits must spend some time in the outer lane of the RB.
So, central lane (#1) decides to continue to exit 3. You can continue in the center lane. But if you continue as if you were going straight ahead, you will notice that you cross a broken line going into the outer lane. Once in the outer lane, you will notice that there is now a broken line on your left. A broken line can be crossed, so can't you make your lane change at that point? After all, there should be no traffic trying to pass on your right as going straight at exit 2 is one of your options.
Seems actually a better option than trying to cross 2 lanes at once at exit 3, as I often see cars approaching from lane 2, pushing in expecting center lane traffic to continue in the center going around.
Just a different point of view.

Yes, it is very simple. No, all entrances do NOT spend time in the outer lane.

If a car is approaching from lane 2 (outer lane), pushing in expecting center lane (inner lane) traffic to continue in the center going around then the CAR IN LANE 2 IS DOING SOMETHING WRONG! Either that car in the outer lane is attempting to continue to his third exit (left turn) or that car in the outer lane entered the roundabout without yielding to the traffic in the inner lane that was already in the roundabout. (or perhaps the car in the outer lane overtook the car in the inner lane which, again, is the wrong thing to do).

[fdpaq0580]

Yes, it is very simple. No, all entrances do NOT spend time in the outer lane.
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Maybe I wasn't clear enough.
All vehicles traveling through a RB spend time in the outer lane. Either entering, traveling in and exiting lane 2, or, if entering from lane 1, crossing throught lane 2 in the RB to get to RB lane 1, and when leaving RB lane 1, crossing through RB lane 2 to exit the RB.
?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

It still sounds as though a car was approaching in the roundabout and you calculated that you wouldn’t interfere because you would be using the inside lane while she would be using the outside.


The correct thing to do is to yield for traffic already in the roundabout. Period. No calculation, no inside/outside, just yield to any traffic already there. If you had done that then she would have been in no position to interfere with you (and vice versa)

No, I was using the OUTSIDE lane and she was using the INSIDE lane. She cut into the outside lane at the ENTRY to the roundabout, not the exit. The entry was where I was - entering. If she had stayed in the inside lane and continued around to the gate, she would've been in the visitor's lane of the gate. Instead, she cut me off while I was entering from 441, and continued around to the residents lane, TWO EXITS later. She was making HER "third" exit. She had no business coming into the outside lane to continue around the circle, at all. I wasn't expecting her to, because you're not supposed to do that.

When you enter the roundabout from the left lane and enter into the inside lane, you're supposed to stay there until you reach your exit. You're NOT supposed to change lanes to travel while in the roundabout.

[Topspinmo]

I think the opposite is even worse, you're in the right lane and you cut in front of me (in the left) to go left.

Several close calls in both situations. Plan Ahead !
You could also look before you turn your wheel.

IMO If you’re in right lane you are turning at first or second exit. Only time left lane vehicle hitting you would either left lane vehicle illegally exited at first exit or vehicle pulled out illegally into roundabout. Or you when around to 3rd exit hitting the left lane vehicle going straight through. I try hard not to be beside some one in roundabout and never pull out when traffic coming around regardless what lane they’re in.

[Topspinmo]

I would like to put it out there to folks that are in the far-left lane coming into the roundabout and then decide to get off in that same left lane crossing over the right lane traffic that a directional WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, a DIRECTIONAL WOULD ALWAYS BE HELPFUL.

IMO majority don’t use signals especially in roundabouts. I alway use mine and especially in left lane going straight through after I cleared first exit. That way people entering to my right know which way I am going and people at 3rd exit yielding know I am turning so they don’t have to come to complete stop. They see me turn the signal light on, not like I have it on coming around.

[villager7591]

Amylag;
Welcome to The Villages.

[Bogie Shooter]

Over 50 posts total?

[Bill14564]

No, I was using the OUTSIDE lane and she was using the INSIDE lane. She cut into the outside lane at the ENTRY to the roundabout, not the exit. The entry was where I was - entering. If she had stayed in the inside lane and continued around to the gate, she would've been in the visitor's lane of the gate. Instead, she cut me off while I was entering from 441, and continued around to the residents lane, TWO EXITS later. She was making HER "third" exit. She had no business coming into the outside lane to continue around the circle, at all. I wasn't expecting her to, because you're not supposed to do that.

When you enter the roundabout from the left lane and enter into the inside lane, you're supposed to stay there until you reach your exit. You're NOT supposed to change lanes to travel while in the roundabout.

If she was sitting next to you, entering from the same road you were, and then cut you off to exit at the first exit then she was absolutely in the wrong.

If she was in the roundabout coming from an earlier entrance, was in the inner lane, you entered in the outer lane to take the first exit, and then she shifted from the inner lane to the outer lane as you were entering the outer lane then you both were at fault: her for changing lanes in the roundabout and you for entering the roundabout without yielding to the vehicle that was already there.

[Topspinmo]

Over 50 posts total?

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[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If she was sitting next to you, entering from the same road you were, and then cut you off to exit at the first exit then she was absolutely in the wrong.

If she was in the roundabout coming from an earlier entrance, was in the inner lane, you entered in the outer lane to take the first exit, and then she shifted from the inner lane to the outer lane as you were entering the outer lane then you both were at fault: her for changing lanes in the roundabout and you for entering the roundabout without yielding to the vehicle that was already there.

I specified already but I'll try again, differently.

There's a roundabout outside Spanish Springs Town Square. Coming FROM the east off of 441, there's a 2-lane entrance into the 2-lane roundabout. FROM the north at the beginning of El Camino Real, there's a 2-lane entrance into the 2-lane roundabout. FROM the west at the beginning of Morse Boulevard, there's a 2-lane entrance into a 2-lane roundabout. FROM the south at the end of Paige Place is a 2-lane entrance into a 2-lane roundabout.

The exit FROM the roundabout TO Paige Place is only one lane - anyone coming FROM 441, who wants to turn onto Paige Place, is required to ENTER from the left lane of the 441 leg, go through the INNER lane around the roundabout, and MERGE to the right lane to exit, because the inner lane doesn't HAVE an exit onto Paige Place. That is the only exception on this roundabout.

For the other three exits, you have to exit FROM the lane you entered in, onto the same lane at a 2-lane exit. You are not allowed to shift lanes while you're in the roundabout, to travel to the exit. You're supposed to exit from the lane you are already in. So if you're in the inner lane, you exit to the left lane of the exit. If you're on the outer lane, you exit to the right lane of the exit.

If you enter FROM the right lane, TO the roundabout, you must enter into the outer lane. From there, you can take the first Or second exit, but you must do so from the outer lane to the right lane.

The Morse Boulevard entrance and exit has double gates in each direction. The visitor's gate is accessed from the inner lane of the roundabout, and the resident's lane is accessed from the outer lane of the roundabout.

The lady who cut me off had come through the Morse gate, into the roundabout, from the left lane into the inner lane of the roundabout. She was coming from the exact opposite direction I was coming from. I saw her approaching the Paige Place entry, on the inner lane, and knew that I had plenty of time and opportunity to enter safely from the right lane to the outer lane, and continue to the Morse resident's gate, also on the right.

So I went. And just as I entered the OUTER lane of the roundabout, the lady decided she was going to cut me off, and cut her wheels to turn into MY lane, that I was ALREADY in. Because for whatever reason, she wasn't happy with the idea of exiting from the inner lane to the left lane of El Camino Real, which was her destination out of the roundabout.

Now, she wasn't able to complete her abrupt cut into my lane, because as I said - I was already there. So she beeped her horn and yelled at me. If she had stayed in HER lane - I would've already been at the Morse Boulevard gate exit by the time she had gotten to her exit at El Camino Real.

[Bill14564]

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The lady who cut me off had come through the Morse gate, into the roundabout, from the left lane into the inner lane of the roundabout. She was coming from the exact opposite direction I was coming from. I saw her approaching the Paige Place entry, on the inner lane, and knew that I had plenty of time and opportunity to enter safely from the right lane to the outer lane, and continue to the Morse resident's gate, also on the right.

So I went. And just as I entered the OUTER lane of the roundabout, the lady decided she was going to cut me off, and cut her wheels to turn into MY lane, that I was ALREADY in. Because for whatever reason, she wasn't happy with the idea of exiting from the inner lane to the left lane of El Camino Real, which was her destination out of the roundabout.

Now, she wasn't able to complete her abrupt cut into my lane, because as I said - I was already there. So she beeped her horn and yelled at me. If she had stayed in HER lane - I would've already been at the Morse Boulevard gate exit by the time she had gotten to her exit at El Camino Real.

Your explanation from 441 is incorrect. Cars do not merge into the right lane to exit to Paige. Essentially, from 441 there is ONLY a left lane exit to Paige. Similarly, from El Camino there is ONLY a right lane exit to Paige. Look at the corresponding green signs, they are unambiguous.

It still sounds as though you entered the roundabout without yielding to traffic already there. You “knew” you had time to enter without yielding but you were obviously wrong. If she attempted to change lanes and found you were already there it is because you improperly entered next to her.

She was wrong to change lanes in the roundabout. However, she knew for sure there would be no one in the outside lane since the only traffic that could be next to her would have entered with her and was obligated to exit on Morse/441. The only way someone would be next to her would be if that person was doing something improper. One of the improper actions would be entering the roundabout without yielding to the traffic already there (her). That is what you did.

“It should have been okay to enter next to her because she shouldn’t change lanes and I was driving faster,” is simply an acknowledgment that you didn’t yield to traffic you clearly saw already in the roundabout.

[Black Beauty]

Florida has no need for turn signals..Hardly.nobody uses them

[La lamy]

I totally agree about using right turn signal when in inner lane of the roundabout taking an exit. I like to do that myself if I'm ahead of the car in the outer lane. I also appreciate seeing a left signal from the outer lane when they plan on not exiting.

[Southwest737]

Yesterday I drove across 441 to the roundabout at El Camino Real, heading onto Morse. There's a gate house there, and I was in the right lane, planning on using the resident's gate - on the right.

I got into the roundabout while someone on my left IN the roundabout was starting their approach toward my location, and they were in the inner "left" lane. They tried to go into MY lane - while they were inside the roundabout. There was absolutely no reason for this woman to move from the inner lane to the outer lane within the roundabout. She beeped at me, and yelled at me. SHE - beeped at ME.

If she had stayed in her own lane, she could've exited at the next exit, before I had gotten to it. That was WHY I entered the circle when I did. Because if she had done what she was supposed to do, everyone would've gotten in and out of the circle safely and correctly.

Moral of the story:

If you are in a 2-lane traffic circle, exiting to a 2-lane road, then stay in your lane. You have NO reason to shift lanes while you're in that circle. You can move to the right lane AFTER you exit the circle.

Sounds like you failed to yield to traffic in the roundabout. Doesn’t matter if they are in the inner lane and you take the outer lane because now you have possibly blocked their ability to take the upcoming exit. You should yield to both lanes.

[USOTR]

The round abouts would be a whole lot safter if patrons would remember the speed limit is 20 mph and as you stated USE turn signals.

[rsmurano]

I can’t believe we are trying to justify making the 1st exit from the left lane. That is against the law and you can’t justify doing the wrong thing by putting on a turn signal. If I’m in the right lane, I can take the 2nd exit and if you want to turn into me, I will make sure your insurance company buys me a new car for ignoring traffic laws that are spelled out on a sign before each roundabout.
You will not be trying to fix my car, you will be buying me a new car. So if you can’t learn traffic laws and how to correctly navigate a roundabout, maybe you shouldn’t be driving.

[kayak]

Unbelievable, so much OPINION about roundabouts. Opinions do not matter. Find out how it works and then travel legally in and through the roundabout.
It is illegal to change lanes in a roundabout. Period.
It is a major revelation to some people that the left lane is an exit lane. Amazing how often someone gets mad at someone because they exited from the left lane.
If you think you have to change to the right lane to exit you are wrong.
If you think you can get in the right lane and go to the third and fourth exits you are wrong.
If you think you can get in the left lane and take the first exit you are wrong.
It does not matter what your opinion or rationalization is. Legal is legal and illegal is illegal. Learn how it works.

[Janie123]

She wasn't exiting at the gate exit. She was exiting onto El Camino Real. She had come FROM the gate, gone around. I was entering from the opposite direction, at 441. I was going around 2 exits, she was going around 3 exits. I saw her coming when she had just passed Paige Place, and she was in the inside lane. I was heading around from the outside lane, and knew there would be plenty of room, and time, for both of us to do our thing.

But as I was in the process of entering the roundabout, SHE cut over to MY lane, while she was still circling the roundabout. Which is something you're not supposed to do.

Even if she was going through the gate - the INSIDE gate is the visitor's gate - and the gate guy doesn't check to see if you're a resident or guest, he just opens the gate to let you through. So it wouldn't matter if she was headed all the way around (effectively performing a U-turn). She was in the inside lane, she should've stayed in it.
Sounds like she did not yield to you as she was chaining lanes but you too were crossing a dotted line and were in the wrong as well.

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[Janie123]

Unbelievable, so much OPINION about roundabouts. Opinions do not matter. Find out how it works and then travel legally in and through the roundabout.
It is illegal to change lanes in a roundabout. Period.
It is a major revelation to some people that the left lane is an exit lane. Amazing how often someone gets mad at someone because they exited from the left lane.
If you think you have to change to the right lane to exit you are wrong.
If you think you can get in the right lane and go to the third and fourth exits you are wrong.
If you think you can get in the left lane and take the first exit you are wrong.
It does not matter what your opinion or rationalization is. Legal is legal and illegal is illegal. Learn how it works.
Wrong.. it is legal to change lanes as long as the lines are dotted and use your signal. There are many times you enter in the left lane from a 4 lane road and need to exit to a single lane. Do not cross solid white lines.

[jimmy o]

I would like to put it out there to folks that are in the far-left lane coming into the roundabout and then decide to get off in that same left lane crossing over the right lane traffic that a directional WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, a DIRECTIONAL WOULD ALWAYS BE HELPFUL.
It’s not that they decide to exit from that lane, it’s the correct and lawful way to do it. But I agree they should use their turn signal.

[opinionist]

The inner lane seems like an accident waiting to happen.
I always leave space in front of me for someone to cut in front to exit.
I am amazed that on a road like 441, people will cut across multiple lanes all at once to barely make an exit.

[Sully2023]

I would like to put it out there to folks that are in the far-left lane coming into the roundabout and then decide to get off in that same left lane crossing over the right lane traffic that a directional WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, a DIRECTIONAL WOULD ALWAYS BE HELPFUL.

I believe I understand what you are talking about. Directional arrows should be used (painted on the road) in the roundabouts at each opportunity for the driver to exit the roundabouts for both lanes showing what actions the driver can take when inside the roundabout. It would be very helpful. Most people do not see the small green signs before entering the roundabouts as to what actions you can take before entering the roundabouts.

It was not until I watched a Randy Nelson utube video on line that it made sense to me.

I am always extra cautious when entering and exiting the roundabouts. I’ve been cut off several times from drivers turning off when they should not be turning.

[jimmy o]

Wrong.. it is legal to change lanes as long as the lines are dotted and use your signal. There are many times you enter in the left lane from a 4 lane road and need to exit to a single lane. Do not cross solid white lines.
Janie you need to take the Roundabout class. You never change lanes in a roundabout. The dotted lines are for the person entering from the right lane in case they’re going straight to second exit. Number ONE rule of roundabouts, Do Not Change Lanes.

[defrey12]

I think the opposite is even worse, you're in the right lane and you cut in front of me (in the left) to go left.

Several close calls in both situations. Plan Ahead !
You could also look before you turn your wheel.

THERE’S A SIGN PRIOR TO ENTERING EVERY ROUNDABOUT. IT TELLS YOU WHICH LANE TO BE IN! READ IT PRIOR TO ENTERING THE CIRCLE. Think of a “circle” as a four-way intersection, because IT IS! You DO NOT turn left from the right lane, nor do you turn right from the left lane when traversing a “circle”. PERIOD. NOR should you change lanes abruptly in a circle—go around again. It’s a circle.

[mike234]

I would like to put it out there to folks that are in the far-left lane coming into the roundabout and then decide to get off in that same left lane crossing over the right lane traffic that a directional WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, a DIRECTIONAL WOULD ALWAYS BE HELPFUL.
if you want to ride through a rotary, 2 abreast, good luck...you are doomed....

[Miboater]

I used to have to go to England for work so I'm very familiar how to drive in roundabouts. One of my first experiences in a roundabout here was I was in the left lane and a little old lady was in the right lane. She was a little ahead of me coming up to a roundabout and instead of staying to the right she cut across to the left lane almost taking out my right fender and proceeded back to the right lane seemingly to avoid making turns. When I beeped my horn when she almost hit me a little middle finger comes out the her window. I knew then I wasn't driving in England anymore and have been very cautious ever since.

[srswans]

No. You were wrong to enter the roundabout. The main rule in roundabouts is to yield to traffic already present.

Yesterday I drove across 441 to the roundabout at El Camino Real,…

I got into the roundabout while someone on my left IN the roundabout was starting their approach toward my location, and they were in the inner "left" lane. They tried to go into MY lane -…

[srswans]

Directionals are confusing on straight roads with simple left/right turns. Relying on someone’s directional, or lack thereof, to decide when to enter a roundabout is risky.

Simply yield to traffic already present and skip the optimizations.


I would like to put it out there to folks that are in the far-left lane coming into the roundabout and then decide to get off in that same left lane crossing over the right lane traffic that a directional WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, a DIRECTIONAL WOULD ALWAYS BE HELPFUL.

[srswans]

Nicely stated! If you change lanes, in the dashed portion, after clearing #2, then it is more obvious to waiting cars that you are exiting at #3.

Changing lanes lets you get into the resident gate in many roundabouts. Our resident gate has a lower red button than the visitor gate and it is easier to reach.

(Also, the visitors gate can be backed up with traffic.)

After reading this thread, I will also try signaling after clearing #2 to see if that stops waiting cars from cutting in front of me.

#2 sounds very simple. But, is it?
You approach the RB from the inside (#1) lane intending to exit at exit 3. Passing exit/entrance 1 you travel in the center (#1) lane.
As you approach exit 2, you have options. Go straight ahead, which requires you to enter lane 2 to cross to your exit.
At this point I feel it is important to state that all entrances and exits must spend some time in the outer lane of the RB.
So, central lane (#1) decides to continue to exit 3. You can continue in the center lane. But if you continue as if you were going straight ahead, you will notice that you cross a broken line going into the outer lane. Once in the outer lane, you will notice that there is now a broken line on your left. A broken line can be crossed, so can't you make your lane change at that point? After all, there should be no traffic trying to pass on your right as going straight at exit 2 is one of your options.
Seems actually a better option than trying to cross 2 lanes at once at exit 3, as I often see cars approaching from lane 2, pushing in expecting center lane traffic to continue in the center going around.
Just a different point of view.

[srswans]

LOL

Half seriously, I think NHTSA should ban the installation of directionals in cars and golf carts.

Few people use them.

It is dangerous to pull out in front of someone signaling a right turn, for example, because they may have left their signal on or they may be turning and the next intersection. This is especially true for golf carts.

Directionals should only be interpreted as a warning and are generally only useful to the drivers behind you.

Banning directionals means that drivers would have to pay more attention and delay moves which, I argue, is safer than making assumptions about what a directional means.

Like I said, half kidding.




Florida has no need for turn signals..Hardly.nobody uses them

[RoboVil]

I would like to put it out there to folks that are in the far-left lane coming into the roundabout and then decide to get off in that same left lane crossing over the right lane traffic that a directional WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, a DIRECTIONAL WOULD ALWAYS BE HELPFUL.

My close calls have been mostly from cars in the inner left lane who cut in front of me while I am in the right lane to get to the resident's entrance instead of just following the lines on the road which would take them to the visitor's lane. If you cross over the lane markings you are at fault.

[golfing eagles]

Yesterday I drove across 441 to the roundabout at El Camino Real, heading onto Morse. There's a gate house there, and I was in the right lane, planning on using the resident's gate - on the right.

I got into the roundabout while someone on my left IN the roundabout was starting their approach toward my location, and they were in the inner "left" lane. They tried to go into MY lane - while they were inside the roundabout. There was absolutely no reason for this woman to move from the inner lane to the outer lane within the roundabout. She beeped at me, and yelled at me. SHE - beeped at ME.

If she had stayed in her own lane, she could've exited at the next exit, before I had gotten to it. That was WHY I entered the circle when I did. Because if she had done what she was supposed to do, everyone would've gotten in and out of the circle safely and correctly.

Moral of the story:

If you are in a 2-lane traffic circle, exiting to a 2-lane road, then stay in your lane. You have NO reason to shift lanes while you're in that circle. You can move to the right lane AFTER you exit the circle.

Except: If you are in the inner lane going 3/4 of the way around to a single lane exit--then you have to cross, but usually the lane marking is a broken white line just before the exit. The other thing I would advise is NEVER ride side by side with another vehicle in a RB.

[golfing eagles]

She wasn't exiting at the gate exit. She was exiting onto El Camino Real. She had come FROM the gate, gone around. I was entering from the opposite direction, at 441. I was going around 2 exits, she was going around 3 exits. I saw her coming when she had just passed Paige Place, and she was in the inside lane. I was heading around from the outside lane, and knew there would be plenty of room, and time, for both of us to do our thing.

But as I was in the process of entering the roundabout, SHE cut over to MY lane, while she was still circling the roundabout. Which is something you're not supposed to do.

Even if she was going through the gate - the INSIDE gate is the visitor's gate - and the gate guy doesn't check to see if you're a resident or guest, he just opens the gate to let you through. So it wouldn't matter if she was headed all the way around (effectively performing a U-turn). She was in the inside lane, she should've stayed in it.

Not to take sides, but nobody should enter the RB when a vehicle is approaching in EITHER LANE, for EXACTLY the scenario you just described.

[golfing eagles]

I TOTALLY AGREE if we could/would do just that one simple thing, ALWAYS use your directional signals, no matter where or what the actual law requires... we'd save a TON of money and so many LIVES. Won't stop all the nearly daily carnage here, but sure would have a huge impact ! Best part, it's a no cost solution, no additional signs, painting, road work, etc., just use signals regardless. Doing same in golf carts would also BE GREAT. One last tip, when you intend to turn right, use the RIGHT signal, not the left ! Some cars seem to use the opposite, but a LOT of golf carts definitely do. That's a killer habit for sure !

Agree in theory. However, while I ALWAYS use my directionals, I NEVER trust the other driver's directionals, especially if I have to turn in front of them.

[golfing eagles]

No, I was using the OUTSIDE lane and she was using the INSIDE lane. She cut into the outside lane at the ENTRY to the roundabout, not the exit. The entry was where I was - entering. If she had stayed in the inside lane and continued around to the gate, she would've been in the visitor's lane of the gate. Instead, she cut me off while I was entering from 441, and continued around to the residents lane, TWO EXITS later. She was making HER "third" exit. She had no business coming into the outside lane to continue around the circle, at all. I wasn't expecting her to, because you're not supposed to do that.

When you enter the roundabout from the left lane and enter into the inside lane, you're supposed to stay there until you reach your exit. You're NOT supposed to change lanes to travel while in the roundabout.

Doesn't matter. It is wrong to enter the RB when a car is approaching in EITHER lane

[golfing eagles]

The lady who cut me off had come through the Morse gate, into the roundabout, from the left lane into the inner lane of the roundabout. She was coming from the exact opposite direction I was coming from. I saw her approaching the Paige Place entry, on the inner lane, and knew that I had plenty of time and opportunity to enter safely from the right lane to the outer lane, and continue to the Morse resident's gate, also on the right.

So I went. And just as I entered the OUTER lane of the roundabout, the lady decided she was going to cut me off, and cut her wheels to turn into MY lane, that I was ALREADY in. Because for whatever reason, she wasn't happy with the idea of exiting from the inner lane to the left lane of El Camino Real, which was her destination out of the roundabout.

Now, she wasn't able to complete her abrupt cut into my lane, because as I said - I was already there. So she beeped her horn and yelled at me. If she had stayed in HER lane - I would've already been at the Morse Boulevard gate exit by the time she had gotten to her exit at El Camino Real.

Apparently not. She should not have changed lanes in the RB, but you SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN WHERE YOU WERE, HAVING ENTERED THE RB WITH A VEHICLE APPROACHING, even if in your judgement you had "plenty of time", since you obviously didn't.

[golfing eagles]

Janie you need to take the Roundabout class. You never change lanes in a roundabout. The dotted lines are for the person entering from the right lane in case they’re going straight to second exit. Number ONE rule of roundabouts, Do Not Change Lanes.

WHAT!!!!! The person entering in the right lane going to the second exit HAS NO REASON to get in the left/inner lane. That's not what the dotted line is for. It is there because there are one lane exits, and the person who correctly took the inner lane to go to their third exit HAS TO CROSS over the outer lane. This is why nobody should ever enter a RB with a vehicle approaching in either lane

[MicRoDrafting]

haven’t bothered to comment on the “Roundabout” subject as so, so many issues with drivers inability to simply apply “Logical Driving Skills” …

… which, of course includes confidence that their vehicle will NOT STALL if they press a little harder on the gas pedal !!

Firstly, there are NO stop signs at the approach to Roundabouts because their primary function is to maintain the flow of traffic - as opposed to traffic signals.

NOTE:
extensive engineering studies
are conducted and submitted
to government agencies having
jurisdiction over the corridors

With that; it appears that too many drivers approach the roundabout with blinders on (aka: tunnel vision).

The Yield Sign is a cautionary warning instructing drivers to “Proceed with Caution” - the exact same method as using a right side merging a lane when multiple lanes combine or proceeding on a highway on ramp - only in rare cases is the driver subject to completely stopping.

The very same methodology is supposed to be applied when approaching a Roundabout !!

The Main Idea is too “Turn your Head” when approaching the Roundabout to be aware of approaching traffic flow.

Utilizing this “Merging Traffic”method means that you will not be entering from a full stop when you accelerate … so as long as the approaching vehicles are not past the left side of the roadway you are on, there is ample opportunity to “Merge” into the roundabout Safely.

I was taught that “DEFENSIVE DRIVING” means: “TRUST NO ONE on the ROAD”.
(thank you mom)

“IF” I am constantly maintaining peripheral vision and stay alert to the fact that the other drivers are not paying full attention - or simply do not see my vehicle, I remain constantly aware that they will run into me if “I” drop my guard … being completely aware of my surroundings means I rely heavily on constantly utilizing my rear and side view mirrors - constantly.

OF COURSE
this includes realizing that none of the other drivers on the road are going to use their directionals - diligently remaining cautious

Concerning the Primary Topic of Turn Signals, that frankly should not even be an issue IF drivers were respectful of “Sharing the Road” with the Bad Drivers on the road that rely on our guidance.

HONESTLY
I have a bad habit (the wife tells me) of never using my directionals … when nobody else is on the road.

HOWEVER I view IT as a “SIMPLE CURTSY” to the other drivers to let them know “before hand” what my intentions are - for ALL our SAFETY (thanking mom again), and …

… NEVER WAIT until I am turning the wheel after coming to nearly a complete stop on the roadway with vehicles around me.

LET US ALL MAKE
IT HOME SAFELY

[Tyson]

The far left lane is for going straight or going around. The right lane is for getting off or going straight, NOT FOR GOING AROUND , and that's the problem you see everyday. People in the right lane going around, with a car in the left lane going straight. Thats a T BONE.

[Tyson]

Right lane is for going straight only. If only people would get that into their heads we would all be safer.

[Tyson]

You are correct. Its just that simple. Right lane get off or go straight, left lane go straight or go around, PERIOD. DO NOT GOT AROUND A CIRCLE FROM THE RIGHT LANE.

[fdpaq0580]

Nicely stated! If you change lanes, in the dashed portion, after clearing #2, then it is more obvious to waiting cars that you are exiting at #3.

Changing lanes lets you get into the resident gate in many roundabouts. Our resident gate has a lower red button than the visitor gate and it is easier to reach.

(Also, the visitors gate can be backed up with traffic.)

After reading this thread, I will also try signaling after clearing #2 to see if that stops waiting cars from cutting in front of me.

Thank you. It works well for me as both of the entering lanes are advise of my intent and stay put.

[fdpaq0580]

The inner lane seems like an accident waiting to happen.
I always leave space in front of me for someone to cut in front to exit.
I am amazed that on a road like 441, people will cut across multiple lanes all at once to barely make an exit.

Yes, it does. Leaving space is never a bad idea.

[fdpaq0580]

Agree in theory. However, while I ALWAYS use my directionals, I NEVER trust the other driver's directionals, especially if I have to turn in front of them.

Wise! Very wise!

[ribil]

This is most predominant in the snowbird season due to the heavier traffic. Each roundabout has a sign proceeding the roundabout that instructs you what lanes to use for where you’re going. Available that explains how to navigate a roundabout. Can you imagine if golf carts shared our roads?

[VApeople]

I would like to put it out there to folks that are in the far-left lane coming into the roundabout and then decide to get off in that same left lane crossing over the right lane traffic that a directional WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, a DIRECTIONAL WOULD ALWAYS BE HELPFUL.

I think things are fine just as they are.

We have lived here for 9 years and have never had a problem driving thru a roundabout. Sure, other ignorant or inconsiderate drivers sometimes cause a problem, but since I always have my hand on the horn, I often honk at them and keep honking until they stop or get out of my way.

[jimjamuser]

That I think is the inherent problem with roundabouts it is a matter of judgment, add to that the drivers who HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY, , my experience is that these drivers also seem to be traveling somewhat faster than the flow of traffic
I would prefer that ALL roundabouts be single lane. If traffic is too high for SINGLE lane roundabouts, then put up RED LIGHTS.

[davide0721]

I would like to put it out there to folks that are in the far-left lane coming into the roundabout and then decide to get off in that same left lane crossing over the right lane traffic that a directional WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, a DIRECTIONAL WOULD ALWAYS BE HELPFUL.

If the dotted white lines go out the exit then the car in that lane has the right of way to exit. If the dotted white lines continue around the roundabout the left lane can exit but must yield to the outer lane continuing around.

[rsmurano]

It’s not that they decide to exit from that lane, it’s the correct and lawful way to do it. But I agree they should use their turn signal.

No it’s not legal to make the 1st exit from the left lane, I don’t care if you have a turn signal on, or you have people with orange flashlights telling you you can exit. You can’t, and if you can’t abide by the traffic laws you shouldn’t be driving.

[rsmurano]

No you can’t, read the signs. EVERY sign before a roundabout has the SAME sign that shows you you cannot take the 1st exit. Do you know why there is a dotted line? I guess you don’t! It is for the people that need to get out of the left lane to make the 2nd or 3rd exit. If you understand roundabouts, there needs to be a way for the left lane to get out of the left lane to make the 2nd or 3rd exit or you will be going in circles forever. So, that’s why you have the dotted lines.
Certain people shouldn’t be driving

[Bill14564]

No it’s not legal to make the 1st exit from the left lane, I don’t care if you have a turn signal on, or you have people with orange flashlights telling you you can exit. You can’t, and if you can’t abide by the traffic laws you shouldn’t be driving.

Might want to rethink the orange flashlight assertion.

[Bill14564]

If the dotted white lines go out the exit then the car in that lane has the right of way to exit. If the dotted white lines continue around the roundabout the left lane can exit but must yield to the outer lane continuing around.

Rule: The left lane/inner should NEVER need to yield to the right/outer lane - if everyone is driving correctly there should NEVER be a conflict.

Reality: It is highly likely that someone WON'T be driving correctly. While the left lane should not have to yield, I wouldn't want to sit on the witness stand and explain that I intentionally caused a collision because I had the right of way.

[62SkiDoo]

Don't over think it.

There is one and only one rule. It is not my opinion. It is the law.

And that is any vehicle already in the traffic circle has the right of way. This means that any vehicle approaching a traffic circle must yield.

However, there is an implicit corollary exception to this rule. And that is unless you are absolutely certain of the intentions of that vehicle already in the traffic circle.

For example, you are in the far right lane approaching the traffic circle. Your intention is not to make a right turn, but to enter the traffic circle and continue on the outer right lane. However, a vehicle is already in the inner left lane of the traffic circle but approaching from your left. At that point, you do not have a clear idea whether the driver intends to continue on the inner lane or make the right onto the main road. But at the point where the driver already in the traffic circle is past the point where a right turn can be made, you can then reasonably assume that you can also safely enter the traffic circle without colliding with a vehicle turning right in front of you. That is unless another vehicle has already entered the circle and then you will have to continue to wait. So, yes, there is a factor of judgement in the equation.

The scary thing is when I witness people approaching a traffic circle while I am already in it and never even look to the left. Their faces are fixated entirely on where they want to go instead of also on what's coming.

Another issue is hesitation. But this can be forgiven in light of the age of many drivers and their legitimate safety concerns both for themselves and others. So I often have to hit my patience and compassion button.

But I think the traffic circles are something everyone can do without.

[fdpaq0580]

Many, if not most, problems and agrivation would disappear IF everyone would follow the signs advice at every RB entrance. 20 mph!
Some folks shoot through RBs at 45 or more, "straightening" the curve by switching lanes left and right.
See it every day, sad to say.

[fdpaq0580]

I would prefer that ALL roundabouts be single lane. If traffic is too high for SINGLE lane roundabouts, then put up RED LIGHTS.

I feel your pain! But, few Villagers, I fear, would be able to stand the extreme test of human or Christian decency or courtesy by allowing others to MERGE (right, left, right, left, etc). If one's acts of simple decency while driving was one's test to get into Heaven, I fear the Lord would be very lonely. Amen!

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Sounds like she did not yield to you as she was chaining lanes but you too were crossing a dotted line and were in the wrong as well.

Google Maps (https://maps.app.goo.gl/NwmJsg6j9SNarrf79?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.cop y)

Awesome, you have an overhead map with cars on it. So zoom in to see the top of that roundabout. 441 is toward your right. El Camino Real is sorta northish (on that map, it's not straight up toward the top of the page).

See where there are cars entering from that right leg, and the right leg also has an exit and the whole leg is sort of in a triangular shape (there's a golf cart MMP lane that runs the entire perimeter of the roundabout, that's a spot where golf carts can wait for traffic to finish entering the circle)? Well my car was already OUT of that right leg, ON the roundabout. In the RIGHT lane, coming FROM the RIGHT lane of the leg. I didn't cross over any lines. The lady who cut me off hadn't even gotten to that right leg's exit yet, when I had begun to enter it. SHE was in the LEFT lane. The INNER lane. SHE crossed the dotted line, not me. See the car immediately to the right of the google red marker? That was the lane I was in, but I hadn't gotten that far yet. See the car that's IN the roundabout, right at the spot where it says Morse Blvd on the right? That's the INNER lane, and the lady who tried to cross in front of me, hadn't gotten as far as where that car is on the map, when I had already turned into the roundabout.

And so - I was already in the roundabout when she came around the curve. I was in the outer lane. She was in the inner lane. She crossed the dotted line trying to cut me off.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Wrong.. it is legal to change lanes as long as the lines are dotted and use your signal. There are many times you enter in the left lane from a 4 lane road and need to exit to a single lane. Do not cross solid white lines.

That only applies to roads that exit to a single lane. Where we were - there were TWO lanes after the exit. If you're in the inner lane of the roundabout, you stay there to exit to the "left" lane of the exit, onto a 2-lane road. If you're on the outer lane of the roundabout, you stay there to exit to the "right" lane of the exit, onto a 2-lane road.

The only exception on THAT roundabout, is Paige Place, where the roundabout exits from a 2-lane roundabout to a 1-lane road.

[fdpaq0580]

That only applies to roads that exit to a single lane. Where we were - there were TWO lanes after the exit. If you're in the inner lane of the roundabout, you stay there to exit to the "left" lane of the exit, onto a 2-lane road. If you're on the outer lane of the roundabout, you stay there to exit to the "right" lane of the exit, onto a 2-lane road.

The only exception on THAT roundabout, is Paige Place, where the roundabout exits from a 2-lane roundabout to a 1-lane road.

So, you were already fully in the RB lane 2, traveling at X mph when she appeared in RB lane 1, attempted to pass you in an effort to exit ahead of you? That's what it sounds like you are describing. She must have been flying.
And she did not appear until after you committed to entering the RB? Sounds like obstructed view of oncoming traffic and excessive speed on the part of the other driver?
Probably late for tee time

[coffeebean]

I TOTALLY AGREE if we could/would do just that one simple thing, ALWAYS use your directional signals, no matter where or what the actual law requires... we'd save a TON of money and so many LIVES. Won't stop all the nearly daily carnage here, but sure would have a huge impact ! Best part, it's a no cost solution, no additional signs, painting, road work, etc., just use signals regardless. Doing same in golf carts would also BE GREAT. One last tip, when you intend to turn right, use the RIGHT signal, not the left ! Some cars seem to use the opposite, but a LOT of golf carts definitely do. That's a killer habit for sure !

This is exactly why I do not pay any attention to directionals when in a RAB. People use the incorrect directional or don't realize their directional is still on (from a previous meneuver) when entering, while in or exiting a RAB. I use my directionals every where but a RAB. In one week of driving around The Villages, I can count on one hand the amount of people I see use directionals when driving in RABs. I prefer it that way. I just stay clear of any car when in a RAB. I vary my speed and do not drive next to any vehicle when in a RAB. I ALWAYS YIELD to any car in a RAB no matter which lane they are in. It is much safer that way.

[Rocksnap]

Round abouts are small and happen quickly. Turn signals are therefore useless. Who here is going to trust someone circling one with their blinker on and pull out in front of them? I’d venture that would be a factor and the accident rate would increase.

[KendallW]

I would like to put it out there to folks that are in the far-left lane coming into the roundabout and then decide to get off in that same left lane crossing over the right lane traffic that a directional WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, a DIRECTIONAL WOULD ALWAYS BE HELPFUL.
I always signal crossing over to exit the round about but came within inches of getting hit the other day. Signal or not space must be allowed when entering the round about between autos . Many still don't get it.

[LoisR]

Several years ago I asked the Villages and the Developer to place signs at the entry of roundabouts that say "Signal Your Intent." No response back.

[Bill14564]

Several years ago I asked the Villages and the Developer to place signs at the entry of roundabouts that say "Signal Your Intent." No response back.

There are so many signs now that drivers get distracted and don't see them all. The last thing we need is more!

Serious question: How would you complete this sentence:
I would have _____________ if the driver was using his signal in the roundabout.

Really, what would you do differently if you saw a driver turn his signal on?
- Would you pull in front of the vehicle before it slowed or turned because you trusted the signal?
- Would you refrain from overtaking the vehicle in the roundabout because you saw the signal?
- Would you feel better when the driver in the left lane took the first exit because he used his signals?

[defrey12]

I can’t believe we are trying to justify making the 1st exit from the left lane. That is against the law and you can’t justify doing the wrong thing by putting on a turn signal. If I’m in the right lane, I can take the 2nd exit and if you want to turn into me, I will make sure your insurance company buys me a new car for ignoring traffic laws that are spelled out on a sign before each roundabout.
You will not be trying to fix my car, you will be buying me a new car. So if you can’t learn traffic laws and how to correctly navigate a roundabout, maybe you shouldn’t be driving.

Amen…

[Topspinmo]

I would prefer that ALL roundabouts be single lane. If traffic is too high for SINGLE lane roundabouts, then put up RED LIGHTS.


I think all highways should be single lane…..like in 1920.. :thumbup:

[Nevinator]

And so - I was already in the roundabout when she came around the curve. I was in the outer lane. She was in the inner lane. She crossed the dotted line trying to cut me off.

It seems like you have an inherent desire to prove you were right as opposed to taking some responsibility for what happened.

Here are your comments from previous posts:
In thread # 5. “I got into the roundabout while someone on my left IN the roundabout was starting their approach toward my location, and they were in the inner "left" lane.”

Thread #9. “But as I was in the process of entering the roundabout, SHE cut over to MY lane, while she was still circling the roundabout.”

Thread #26. “I saw her approaching the Paige Place entry, on the inner lane, and knew that I had plenty of time and opportunity to enter safely from the right lane to the outer lane, and continue to the Morse resident's gate, also on the right. So I went. And just as I entered the OUTER lane of the roundabout, the lady decided she was going to cut me off.”

Predicated on you last comment in #72 now you were already in the roundabout. This contradicts your three earlier posts where you indicate the other driver was in the roundabout before you entered and that you made the decision to enter based on what you thought she was going to do.

Face it, YOU should have yielded to traffic already IN the roundabout before entering. If that driver was going all the way around the roundabout (3rd exit) he/she has the right to cross the outer lane upon their exit. Now upon exiting, perhaps she crossed into the far right lane. She did have the obligation to ensure the roadway was clear, but she also had no expectation that someone would be coming on her right because she was the only one in the roundabout at the time because you hadn’t entered, or were entering concurrent to her exit.

Bottom line: Vehicles in the roundabout have absolute right of way over vehicles, about to enter the roundabout. Even if this was not the case, best practice is to always wait for vehicles in the roundabout to pass before entering. Most of us have lived here long enough to know that vehicles coming from your left that are in the roundabout, have the ability to exit from the inner lane and across the outer lane into a village or community.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

So, you were already fully in the RB lane 2, traveling at X mph when she appeared in RB lane 1, attempted to pass you in an effort to exit ahead of you? That's what it sounds like you are describing. She must have been flying.
And she did not appear until after you committed to entering the RB? Sounds like obstructed view of oncoming traffic and excessive speed on the part of the other driver?
Probably late for tee time

Not quite as abruptly as that, since I did see her coming up on the Paige Place entry lane as I was pulling out of the 441 entry lane. But yeah it looked like she had sped up. It was one of those weird things - I've seen it happen to other people too. You're in your OWN lane, minding your own business, and suddenly someone in another lane further back from you decides they want to be in your lane, ahead of you. So they speed up and try to cut you off.

[John Sarubbi]

When are all the old folks in The Villages going to learn how to drive. I am so sick of being cut off by idiots crossing in front of me. When are they going to learn the simple rule: Left lane is for going straight or making a left and the right lane is for going straight or going right. Could it be any more simple?

[jimjamuser]

Many, if not most, problems and agrivation would disappear IF everyone would follow the signs advice at every RB entrance. 20 mph!
Some folks shoot through RBs at 45 or more, "straightening" the curve by switching lanes left and right.
See it every day, sad to say.
I agree that there are problems to see every day on the roundabouts. They work reasonable well in the summer and 40 years ago when there were fewer residents and commercial traffic. There are several problems - one is the age of the Village residents. The saying that applies here is, "You can't teach an old dog new tricks". Most Villagers come from cities where they never see a roundabout. Then they come here to The Villages at an advanced age where they are less flexible mentally than they were in their 20s. Another problem is SPEEDING that seemed to increase after Covid and the lack of Police enforcement or speed cameras that could issue tickets. One improvement would be to make the roundabouts single lane. Then IF there were traffic backups, then that would mean that the intersection needed to be converted to traffic LIGHTS.

[jimjamuser]

Absolutely, “correct thing to do is yield to every car already in the roundabout”. However, people are in a hurry and expect others to get out of their way. Works until it doesn’t. However, roundabouts are proven to be much safer than traffic signals.
I wonder if the idea that "roundabouts are safer than traffic lights" would be true if only multiple lane roundabouts were included in the study. Because single lane roundabouts are likely safer than traffic lights, but 2 lane roundabouts are probably less safe. Also, age would be a factor and seniors probably would have more accidents in roundabouts. Also, safety in roundabouts would be higher for people that drove in roundabouts at an early age.

[lawgolfer]

Think of a roundabout as 4 quarters of a pie.

When another vehicle is in the quarter or just about the enter that quarter, you are not to enter regardless of which lane the other car is in.

What you described is a classic no-no and entered the outside lane when another vehicle was in the inside lane and you were alongside that vehicle or nearly alongside it. In short, you set yourself to be cut-off by the vehicle that was in the inside lane.

For the same reason, it is a no-no to pass another vehicle when in a roundabout, particularly when you are in the outside lane. The car in the inside lane which you are passing is likely to cross-over at the next exit, again cutting you off.

The driver in the inside lane is not really "cutting you off". It is you who have broken the rules by either entering the outside lane alongside that vehicle or by passing or pulling alongside that vehicle.

Yes, it would be nice if everyone used their turn signal when exiting a roundabout. However, the cause of the problem is the driver who enters the roundabout alongside the vehicle in the inside lane or tries to pass that vehicle when in the roundabout.

[fdpaq0580]

I wonder if the idea that "roundabouts are safer than traffic lights" would be true if only multiple lane roundabouts were included in the study. Because single lane roundabouts are likely safer than traffic lights, but 2 lane roundabouts are probably less safe. Also, age would be a factor and seniors probably would have more accidents in roundabouts. Also, safety in roundabouts would be higher for people that drove in roundabouts at an early age.

"Safe" can be determined in many ways. One might conclude, for example, that one type of intersection, with 100 collisions is not as safe as another intersection with only 2 collisions. But, add the information that the intersection with 100 collisions only had minor fender-benders, while the intersection with only 2 collisions had several deaths as a result of those 2 collisions.
Maybe crowding, higher speeds, more aggressive drivers, overconfident drivers, and more, all contribute to danger on the roads.

[fdpaq0580]

Think of a roundabout as 4 quarters of a pie.


I like pie! 😋

Sorry. I'm easily distracted. What were we discussing?

[Indydealmaker]

I would like to put it out there to folks that are in the far-left lane coming into the roundabout and then decide to get off in that same left lane crossing over the right lane traffic that a directional WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, a DIRECTIONAL WOULD ALWAYS BE HELPFUL.

That possibility is why you are never to parallel another car in the circle. Zippers, folks.

Keep at or below 20 and you will be just fine. Never pass.

The only time a car exiting in the inside lane crosses in front of another is when a car is entering the circle from the right crossing street. Even then that should never be a problem because that car coming into the circle from the right is not supposed to enter until the car in the inside lane has passed. You zipper into your lane just behind and to the right.

Remember, you are not allowed to overtake another car inside the circle

[fdpaq0580]

That possibility is why you are never to parallel another car in the circle. Zippers, folks.

Keep at or below 20 and you will be just fine. Never pass.

The only time a car exiting in the inside lane crosses in front of another is when a car is entering the circle from the right crossing street. Even then that should never be a problem because that car coming into the circle from the right is not supposed to enter until the car in the inside lane has passed. You zipper into your lane just behind and to the right.

Remember, you are not allowed to overtake another car inside the circle

Just when we think there may be a chance one or two may learn, you give us zippers. The concept of alternating left and right is great, some might think bumper to bumper. So, like a zipper, but not so close.

By the way, thanks. I checked to make sure mine was closed. It wasn't. 🤫🙄

[UpsideDown]

Take the circle out of the roundabout and treat it as a regular intersection. That should make it easy. BUT, that doesn't matter because Villagers don't drive, they aim.

:boom:

[Topspinmo]

Florida has no need for turn signals..Hardly.nobody uses them

Same goes for other 49 states.

[Challenger]

Always yield to vehicles in the Round About, both lanes.

[Marathon Man]

Probably did not know that residents CAN use the guest gate same as the resident gate.

I see this every day. Changing lanes inside the round simply because they think that residents must use the resident gate.

[fdpaq0580]

I see this every day. Changing lanes inside the round simply because they think that residents must use the resident gate.

What I see is people changing lane at the gates to get in the shortest line. Residents know. The residents gate is usually positioned ahead of the visitors gate. But, one reaches the visitors gate first and can activate the gate a couple seconds ahead of the Residents gate, allowing the "visitor" to get ahead of the resident. Hey! Anything to get one up on other drivers.
ME FIRST! ������

[JMintzer]

Another "This one time at Band Camp (insert Round-a-Bout)"...

Closing in on 100 posts, saying the same thing (and often with incorrect info) again and again and again...

https://thatswhatlisathinks.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/bandcamp.jpg

[fdpaq0580]

Another "This one time at Band Camp (insert Round-a-Bout)"...

Closing in on 100 posts, saying the same thing (and often with incorrect info) again and again and again...

https://thatswhatlisathinks.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/bandcamp.jpg

Noooo! Really? Good! Everyone gets to voice their opinion. No censorship for us for us. Maybe they aren't incorrect. Just misinterpreted or misunderstood.

Such fun! 😀😉

[fdpaq0580]

Closing in on 100 posts, saying the same thing (and often with incorrect info) again and again and again.

Um! Just wondering, if they/we are all saying the same thing, how can only some of us be correct and others be incorrect? 🤔

[Ropnrose]

I use my directional signals to communicate my intentions to other drivers. It's my understanding, you cannot cross a solid white line within a roundabout (or any other place on a road). As long as there is a dashed line, you can change lanes, as long as it is clear.

[Topspinmo]

Noooo! Really? Good! Everyone gets to voice their opinion. No censorship for us for us. Maybe they aren't incorrect. Just misinterpreted or misunderstood.

Such fun! 😀😉

I blame spell check… :eclipsee_gold_cup:

[Topspinmo]

I use my directional signals to communicate my intentions to other drivers. It's my understanding, you cannot cross a solid white line within a roundabout (or any other place on a road). As long as there is a dashed line, you can change lanes, as long as it is clear.


You can to avoid crash… :22yikes:

[michgary]

Some one posted that these circles have been proven to be safer than stop lights. That's ridiculous. The reason for circles is for traffic flow, not safety. Love not needing to stop at lights when no cars are coming. Just stating the obvious,, but for some here it is necessary now and then. :sing:

[Bill14564]

Some one posted that these circles have been proven to be safer than stop lights. That's ridiculous. The reason for circles is for traffic flow, not safety. Love not needing to stop at lights when no cars are coming. Just stating the obvious,, but for some here it is necessary now and then. :sing:

As someone once said (the source seems to be in dispute):
It Ain’t What You Don’t Know That Gets You Into Trouble. It’s What You Know for Sure That Just Ain’t So

I would be interested in reading any study that finds roundabouts are not safer than traffic lights. I tried but I can't find one.

A couple of reasons roundabouts ARE safer:
- Far less likely to be T-boned at 60mph
- Far fewer points of collision
- Far lower speed for any collision that might occur
- Roundabouts require drivers to be more attentive

[Snakster66]

Take the circle out of the roundabout and treat it as a regular intersection. That should make it easy. BUT, that doesn't matter because Villagers don't drive, they aim.

:boom:

Correct on all counts. Last night, for the second time since I moved here in September, I had someone cut across in front of me from the right lane to turn left in the roundabout. The only reason I didnt T-bone either of them is because, when driving, I assume the other person will do the stupidest thing possible. I'm never disappointed and I'm always prepared.

[golfing eagles]

Correct on all counts. Last night, for the second time since I moved here in September, I had someone cut across in front of me from the right lane to turn left in the roundabout. The only reason I didnt T-bone either of them is because, when driving, I assume the other person will do the stupidest thing possible. I'm never disappointed and I'm always prepared.

Only twice??? I generally find it’s a twice a week occurrence

[michgary]

ok now you know who it is,, i did not want to say who thinks circles are way safer than red lights,, :sad:

[Snakster66]

Only twice??? I generally find it’s a twice a week occurrence

I'm not driving very day, so smaller sample size. Your count does not surprise me in the least.

[mrf6969]

This talk of using direction indicators in roundabouts is nonsense. This is only needed maybe for those that do not know how to drive in roundabouts. Of all the thousands of roundabouts in Europe, you never see direction indicators in use. We drove in Italy where you better not be timid and know what you're doing. It is go-go-go.

[CFrance]

This talk of using direction indicators in roundabouts is nonsense. This is only needed maybe for those that do not know how to drive in roundabouts. Of all the thousands of roundabouts in Europe, you never see direction indicators in use. We drove in Italy where you better not be timid and know what you're doing. It is go-go-go.
I must disagree. Our experience in France and many other EU countries is different. In fact, we often encounter a car entering the roundabout with it's left turn signal on, indicating that it is going to exit three-quarters of the way around. My husband was going to do that here, but I convinced him not to as people would not understand what it meant.


Using your turn signal to indicate you are exiting, especially from the inside lane when going 3/4 around, lets the drivers about to enter the roundabout know that you are about to cut across the right hand lane to exit. Since many drivers fail to yield to both lanes of the roundabout, this serves as a warning signal.

[fdpaq0580]

I must disagree. Our experience in France and many other EU countries is different. In fact, we often encounter a car entering the roundabout with it's left turn signal on, indicating that it is going to exit three-quarters of the way around. My husband was going to do that here, but I convinced him not to as people would not understand what it meant.


Using your turn signal to indicate you are exiting, especially from the inside lane when going 3/4 around, lets the drivers about to enter the roundabout know that you are about to cut across the right hand lane to exit. Since many drivers fail to yield to both lanes of the roundabout, this serves as a warning signal.

Very good.
All vehicles should approach the RB with caution!
All vehicles should observe the suggested 20 mph in an RB!
Noone should enter if there are vehicles already in the RB that might unexpectedly come in your direction!
All drivers should pay careful attention to directional signals and consider them as a warning.
All drivers should "chill out" and never try or assume they can beat the car(s) coming around the RB.

I could go on, but most are just gonna continue doing what they always do. But I feel better.

[John-US]

I joined the remaining and stopped gesturing my direction. it's the world we live in. can't beat em' JOIN EM! it's FREE

[wisbad1]

I would like to put it out there to folks that are in the far-left lane coming into the roundabout and then decide to get off in that same left lane crossing over the right lane traffic that a directional WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, a DIRECTIONAL WOULD ALWAYS BE HELPFUL.
As bad as golf carts turning left in front of you from cart lane.

[Altavia]

Will be interesting if they put a diverging diamond interchange at 301 and the Turnpike...

[fdpaq0580]

Will be interesting if they put a diverging diamond interchange at 301 and the Turnpike...

Picture perfect proof that humans have no right to feel we are superior to a drunken spider. OMG! What a tangled web!

[JMintzer]

Um! Just wondering, if they/we are all saying the same thing, how can only some of us be correct and others be incorrect? 🤔

Is the word "often" a foreign concept?

[JMintzer]

Noooo! Really? Good! Everyone gets to voice their opinion. No censorship for us for us. Maybe they aren't incorrect. Just misinterpreted or misunderstood.

Such fun! 😀😉

Please show me where I ever suggested "censorship"... I'll wait...

[JMintzer]

Some one posted that these circles have been proven to be safer than stop lights. That's ridiculous. The reason for circles is for traffic flow, not safety. Love not needing to stop at lights when no cars are coming. Just stating the obvious,, but for some here it is necessary now and then. :sing:

Google says otherwise...

"So, you might assume that signal-controlled intersections are superior. But the data tells a different story. Roundabouts are safer, more efficient, and cheaper to maintain than their signal-controlled counterparts. They reduce injury collisions by 75%, fatal collisions by 90%, and delays by 89%."...

[JMintzer]

ok now you know who it is,, i did not want to say who thinks circles are way safer than red lights,, :sad:

That would be the Google machine...

"So, you might assume that signal-controlled intersections are superior. But the data tells a different story. Roundabouts are safer, more efficient, and cheaper to maintain than their signal-controlled counterparts. They reduce injury collisions by 75%, fatal collisions by 90%, and delays by 89%."

[fdpaq0580]

Is the word "often" a foreign concept?

No. But it was stated that folks were "all saying the same thing". So, how can some be right and others wrong? Conspiracy? Matrix? Or do the good looking get a passing grade while the less attractive (ugly) fail? Oh! Oh! I know! Grading on the curve. 😃😃😉

[fdpaq0580]

Please show me where I ever suggested "censorship"... I'll wait...

Sorry. Just the way I happened to interpret " again and again and again". The context gave me the feeling that you would prefer not having so many folks voice their opinions. Or, in other words, eliminate some/many of those voices. I saw that as a form of censorship. I guess if we were all saying the same thing, only one person needed to voice their thoughts and all the rest of us could just say "Ditto".
Personally, I enjoy reading everyone's comments. Everyone has a different point of view and see things I sometimes haven't seen or noticed.
So, my apologies. I never meant to say you were suggesting or recommending we censoring folks.

[mtdjed]

Yesterday I drove across 441 to the roundabout at El Camino Real, heading onto Morse. There's a gate house there, and I was in the right lane, planning on using the resident's gate - on the right.

I got into the roundabout while someone on my left IN the roundabout was starting their approach toward my location, and they were in the inner "left" lane. They tried to go into MY lane - while they were inside the roundabout. There was absolutely no reason for this woman to move from the inner lane to the outer lane within the roundabout. She beeped at me, and yelled at me. SHE - beeped at ME.

If she had stayed in her own lane, she could've exited at the next exit, before I had gotten to it. That was WHY I entered the circle when I did. Because if she had done what she was supposed to do, everyone would've gotten in and out of the circle safely and correctly.

Moral of the story:

If you are in a 2-lane traffic circle, exiting to a 2-lane road, then stay in your lane. You have NO reason to shift lanes while you're in that circle. You can move to the right lane AFTER you exit the circle.

It would be helpful to look at that circle on Google earth. (Assuming that the circle is still marked the same), each entrance has two lanes for entrance. Assuming heavy traffic, it would appear natural for the outside vehicle to enter the outside lane, and the inside vehicle to enter the inside lane. Markings within the circle are consistent except the SE quadrant. Otherwise, they allow changing of lanes at and between entrance and exits. Comments that you can't change lane are inaccurate. So, if you are in the inner lane, you can exit at any exit.

Drivers are supposed be driving at the reduced posted speed and use proper signaling when changing or crossing lanes. Proper signaling would require you to at least be a full length ahead of the car you intend cross paths. It would also be wise to have the signal on for the full length of the dashed lines between exits. A driver behind a car signaling to exit should allow that car to exit as courtesy

We as drivers need to be aware of our positions, other driver intentions. Assumptions that are wrong can cause undesired results for all parties. Exact faults can be hard to determine. Better to go around again than incur an accident.

Trouble here is that everyone assumes they have the rightaway.

[mtdjed]

It would be helpful to look at that circle on Google earth. (Assuming that the circle is still marked the same), each entrance has two lanes for entrance. Assuming heavy traffic, it would appear natural for the outside vehicle to enter the outside lane, and the inside vehicle to enter the inside lane. Markings within the circle are consistent except the SE quadrant. Otherwise, they allow changing of lanes at and between entrance and exits. Comments that you can't change lane are inaccurate. So, if you are in the inner lane, you can exit at any exit.

Drivers are supposed be driving at the reduced posted speed and use proper signaling when changing or crossing lanes. Proper signaling would require you to at least be a full length ahead of the car you intend cross paths. It would also be wise to have the signal on for the full length of the dashed lines between exits. A driver behind a car signaling to exit should allow that car to exit as courtesy

We as drivers need to be aware of our positions, other driver intentions. Assumptions that are wrong can cause undesired results for all parties. Exact faults can be hard to determine. Better to go around again than incur an accident.

Trouble here is that everyone assumes they have the rightaway.

I lived in the Boston area for about 25 years before retiring. The Rotary is common there and they are far more complex than those here. Yet seemingly far less controversy. Two of the things I was advised of were the need to maintain contact by vision of nearby autos and secondly, that whoever got their second was the cause of the accident. If we all thought that way, there would be far less controversy. That obviously excludes those speeding, not using signals, violating solid lines, etc.

Also note that each rotary may have different linage and require different driving rules.

[yankygrl]

I would like to put it out there to folks that are in the far-left lane coming into the roundabout and then decide to get off in that same left lane crossing over the right lane traffic that a directional WOULD BE HELPFUL!!!!!!! As a matter of fact, a DIRECTIONAL WOULD ALWAYS BE HELPFUL.
Seasonal residents, renters are back…actually saw a pickup truck at the entrance to a roundabout put on LEFT turn signal and I prayed they didn’t actually turn left. There were other cars in the circle, they did go right but then got into left lane. SCARY - be very careful.

[fdpaq0580]

Trouble here is that everyone assumes they have the rightaway.

Got that part right. Or, mostly right.
Sadly, there is a sizeable number of individuals who don't give a snit and just bully their way through. Beware!

[fdpaq0580]

[QUOTE=mtdjed;2412672]I lived in the Boston area for about 25 years . [QUOTE]

Okay! Boston area! Right! 😶🫥😏

[fdpaq0580]

As bad as golf carts turning left in front of you from cart lane.

Wouldn't it be great to have a Big Truck with a snow plow on the front when that happens. Street sweepers could clean up the mess and life goes on .... except for the ijit in the golf cart. 😃😃😃

[justjim]

I don’t trust the few people using turn signals in the roundabouts. I’ve seen too many signals that were wrong. Best not to use them although it may be recommended.