Advantages of living WAY up north?

[PilotAlan]

What's the advantage of living way up north? What are the cons?
We're looking at TV for retirement soon. There's some nice houses and nice neighborhoods up north of St Simons, in the Nancy Lopez/Hwy 42 area.
It seems it's a long way to Spanish Springs, even longer to Lake Sumpter. The Morse compound seems like it cuts off that area from rest of the Villages.

Please, educate me so I don't write off an area from lack of knowledge. Your pros and cons are appreciated!

[bagboy]

The Morse compound has nothing to do with traveling through The Villages.

[Papa_lecki]

What's the advantage of living way up north? What are the cons?
We're looking at TV for retirement soon. There's some nice houses and nice neighborhoods up north of St Simons, in the Nancy Lopez/Hwy 42 area.
It seems it's a long way to Spanish Springs, even longer to Lake Sumpter. The Morse compound seems like it cuts off that area from rest of the Villages.

Please, educate me so I don't write off an area from lack of knowledge. Your pros and cons are appreciated!

I’ll get my comment in early, before the thread is hijacked as a north/south argument.

Bottom line, plan to stay a few days in each area of the villages, drive around, the feel of the different areas are different. My wife and I knew the area we wanted to buy and where we didn’t want to buy just by spending time there.

[MarshBendLover]

Depends on what you want to do. Most people move more than once after they arrive. Up towards First Responders, then yes, everything is a drive. A car ride will take 45 min to drive the length or a cart ride will be a couple of hours. If you pick Middleton, then you drive is just as long.

If you like a pre-owned home with no bond, north of 466A. If you want a new home with a high bond, then go south 44. Center of it all was Sumter area generally back in the early 2000s, now center is roughly 44. Get an actual map from the village office, not what Google determines are the boundaries. If you pick the center, then plan on moving in a few years when the center has moved another ten miles south or east or west. Utilize MLS and VLS listings, they can't cross sell/show.

There is no advantage of one area over another. It's what you think you will enjoy doing vs what you end up actually enjoying. We thought 2 golf carts would be perfect, but ended up with 2 cars since our events/gatherings/friends were too far to ride in a cart.

[PilotAlan]

Bottom line, plan to stay a few days in each area of the villages, drive around, the feel of the different areas are different. My wife and I knew the area we wanted to buy and where we didn’t want to buy just by spending time there
Thanks for that. We have a lifestyle visit planned, I know the lifestyle homes are all wayyy down south, but it didn't occur to me yet how that plays into getting to know the various parts of town.
We were looking at a 7 day lifestyle. Maybe a 4 day and spend a few 3-4 day trips in rental homes.

[PilotAlan]

Center of it all was Sumter area generally back in the early 2000s, now center is roughly 44.
I have been looking at 466A, as there's a very high concentration of golf courses, easy access to Sumpter and Brownwood, and not bad to get to Eastport.

But again, I'm seeing some really pretty neighborhoods with bigger lots, no bond, etc. up around Nancy Lopez. Seems like there's good local amenities, but a long way to squares and such.

I see disadvantages, but just want perspective from folks that live up there. There are probably advantages that aren't apparent if you don't live there.

[Bassdeer]

We plan on moving there this summer but plan on renting for a year first and maybe renting forever depending on interest rates. Looking to be in between the sixes 466 and 466A. Would like to be halfway between Sumter and Brownwood.

[CarlR33]

I did not think they did lifestyle visits for as long as 7 days but maybe that changed? If your wanting to check out the north not sure why you would spend time with the lifestyle visits in an area your not interested in (and what would you be gaining?). Check out the rentals and airbrb’s in the areas you’re interested in first, IMO. Your coming in the off season so rates and availability will be good.

[Kelevision]

Thanks for that. We have a lifestyle visit planned, I know the lifestyle homes are all wayyy down south, but it didn't occur to me yet how that plays into getting to know the various parts of town.
We were looking at a 7 day lifestyle. Maybe a 4 day and spend a few 3-4 day trips in rental homes.

It sounds like you’ve got the best plan. Staying in different areas will really help you get a feel for things, though it does take quite a while to really figure it all out. Good news is, you’ll be so much closer coming in from the Airport being waaaay down south. Have fun and good luck!

[Topspinmo]

Advantage? Less traffic, close to VA, lake Sumter and Spanish springs about same 5 miles or so. Closer to Ocala area. Shopping close to include the Proposed Costco’s at Southern Trace. Disadvantages? If buy Marion county little higher taxes than other counties. Things you may like to do maybe below lake Sumter 7 plus miles. So, basically you have to decide what you want. IMO anything below 466 traffic gets real bad. If that don’t bother you have at it.

[Papa_lecki]

Thanks for that. We have a lifestyle visit planned, I know the lifestyle homes are all wayyy down south, but it didn't occur to me yet how that plays into getting to know the various parts of town.
We were looking at a 7 day lifestyle. Maybe a 4 day and spend a few 3-4 day trips in rental homes.

I would do that. 4 day rental will be reasonable. Make sure rental comes with golf cart.

[tophcfa]

What's the advantage of living way up north? What are the cons?
We're looking at TV for retirement soon. There's some nice houses and nice neighborhoods up north of St Simons, in the Nancy Lopez/Hwy 42 area.
It seems it's a long way to Spanish Springs, even longer to Lake Sumpter. The Morse compound seems like it cuts off that area from rest of the Villages.

Please, educate me so I don't write off an area from lack of knowledge. Your pros and cons are appreciated!

Pros - If golf is import to you then you are much closer to lots of both Championship and Executive golfing options than the southern parts of the Villages. In general, the amenities aren’t crowded relative to other areas. Just about everything you could possibly need is relatively close and golf cart accessible. The neighborhoods in the area have mature landscaping, are beautiful, and the traffic isn’t bad and getting exponentially worse because of the rapid growth in other areas.

Cons - Hard to think of any, but I’ll try. If you are hell bent on a new home, not your best option. There have been a few sink holes in the Calumet Grove area. Taxes are higher in Marion County. It’s farther away from the town squares than other northern sections of the Villages.

[PilotAlan]

Thanks for all of that. I don't think I'm interested in way down south. The bonds are insane, and the amenities are a ways off.
I'm thinking about the 466A area due to density of golf courses and amenities/retail. Although anywhere between Spanish Springs and Brownwood is under consideration.

But there's lots of houses for very good prices up above St Simons. It just looks like it's inconveniently far from many things.

Pros - If golf is import to you then you are much closer to lots of both Championship and Executive golfing options than the southern parts of the Villages. In general, the amenities aren’t crowded relative to other areas. Just about everything you could possibly need is relatively close and golf cart accessible. The neighborhoods in the area have mature landscaping, are beautiful, and the traffic isn’t bad and getting exponentially worse because of the rapid growth in other areas.

Cons - Hard to think of any, but I’ll try. If you are hell bent on a new home, not your best option. There have been a few sink holes in the Calumet Grove area. Taxes are higher in Marion County. It’s farther away from the town squares than other northern sections of the Villages.

[rustyp]

WAY up north you get to experience four seasons.

[Topspinmo]

Pros - If golf is import to you then you are much closer to lots of both Championship and Executive golfing options than the southern parts of the Villages. In general, the amenities aren’t crowded relative to other areas. Just about everything you could possibly need is relatively close and golf cart accessible. The neighborhoods in the area have mature landscaping, are beautiful, and the traffic isn’t bad and getting exponentially worse because of the rapid growth in other areas.

Cons - Hard to think of any, but I’ll try. If you are hell bent on a new home, not your best option. There have been a few sink holes in the Calumet Grove area. Taxes are higher in Marion County. It’s farther away from the town squares than other northern sections of the Villages.

On developers lopez golf course due to retention pond transfer tube failure leaks and suspected irrigation problem? This happens throughout villages. Other parts of villages not immune to that.

[Snakster66]

The only cons I can think of for the area you describe are higher taxes (Marion County) and the need to memorize ridiculousy long and cumbersome street addresses.

[npwalters]

We plan on moving there this summer but plan on renting for a year first and maybe renting forever depending on interest rates. Looking to be in between the sixes 466 and 466A. Would like to be halfway between Sumter and Brownwood.

The area between 466 and 466A is the prettiest part of TV and fairly convenient. The most convenient is between 466 and 441/27 because those homes are close to two town squares, several shopping areas, and many businesses in Lady Lake. The areas south of these two are newer and younger. They will be pretty and convenient in time but not yet - except for some of the public areas.

[Stu from NYC]

We moved here 5 years ago.

After renting a month decided we wanted to be in the middle so we are just north of 466A. Easy to get to major areas of villages and shopping on 27/441 not that far away. Also we did not have the time to wait on a new build.

[VApeople]

If you like to take a walk, be aware there are no walking/biking trails north of Route 44, except for the sidewalks where golf carts whiz by about a foot away from you.

My wife and I love to walk so we always drive south of 44 to enjoy the beautiful trails down there.

[Arctic Fox]

Would like to be halfway between Sumter and Brownwood.

We live halfway between Sumter and Spanish Springs and it is nice to have the choice.

[npwalters]

If you like to take a walk, be aware there are no walking/biking trails north of Route 44, except for the sidewalks where golf carts whiz by about a foot away from you.

My wife and I love to walk so we always drive south of 44 to enjoy the beautiful trails down there.

Apparently you haven't been to Lake Miona or just south of Sumter landing. There are trails both places.

[Battlebasset]

Living in Fenny area. My observations:

Younger demographic as you go further south. Not a deal breaker, but if you are 65 and all of your neighbors are 85, how much will they want to do with you and what will you have in common? They may also start looking at you as the "young people" that can help them out with the things they can't do anymore, or transportation to their Dr. appointment.

More shopping up north. But if Amazon and Walmart deliver, what do you care? Drive up there once a month if you need that fix.

More square activity. Brownwood and Sawgrass are generally packed. Spanish Springs? Not as much, and look at all of the closed stores.

If down south, you have all of the new things, not to mention Middleton. And Eastport is coming. There is something about looking at young people walking around, and just experiencing a feeling of vibrancy. I don't get that around Spanish Springs.

Closer to Orlando and Clermont. Airport, shopping, and unique restaurants. And personally, I have an antenna in my attic that pulls in all of the Orlando stations for free. Not sure that would work as well up north.

Just my thoughts. Your mileage may vary. Good luck!

[VApeople]

Apparently you haven't been to Lake Miona or just south of Sumter landing. There are trails both places.

We have been to both places and they are nothing compared to the beautiful trails south of 44.

The trails south of 44 allow bikes, so we definitely stay to the right side of those trails. When our grandchildren visited with us, we took them to the trail behind Lake Miona rec center because neither bikes nor dogs are allowed on that trail.

The trail on the south side of Lake Sumter Landing is pretty neat as it goes along the creek, but it hardly qualifies as a real walking trail.

[Altavia]

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Younger demographic as you go further south...

If down south, you have all of the new things, not to mention Middleton. And Eastport is coming.

There is something about looking at young people walking around, and just experiencing a feeling of vibrancy. I don't get that around Spanish Springs.

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As you point out, with the addition of Middleton and thousands of working families with children, the areas near Eastport are feeling less and less like a like a retirement community.

We like the evolution but others may not appreciate the "vibrancy" and potentially feel more comfortable in the northern areas.

[Laker14]

I don't live "way up there", (I live in Poinciana, just north of 466A), but I travel to Lopez, and Churchill Greens fairly frequently, and I find the neighborhoods north of 466, and West of Morse delightful. Nothing wrong with east of Morse, closer to Spanish Springs, but I like west of Morse better.
We very much like being "between the 6s". This place is really big, much bigger than when I was first exposed to it, so spend some time exploring.

[margaretmattson]

Apparently you haven't been to Lake Miona or just south of Sumter landing. There are trails both places.Shhhh! Don't share that information. Hubby and I walk on the northern trails daily. Few people know about them and most of the time we have the trail(s)to ourselves.

OP: you should rent in the area for a month and ask the residents what they enjoy. There are PLENTY of amenities. Some not found in the southern area.

Northern part is too far from the squares? Both Spanish Springs and Lake Sumter are less than 6 miles away.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

So let's start you off with a new "good" habit: Sumter is spelled Sumter, not Sumpter. Okay that's out of the way.

Next - the upside to Lopez area is that there's less traffic EXCEPT on El Camino Real and the Buena Vista roundabout at the Savannah Center. But you get the Savannah Center, which is a great upside. The MMPs (multi-modal paths) will get you through some of the prettiest areas of the northern half of The Villages. It's close to the hospital and The Villages Health, but far enough away you won't hear ambulances or the medicopter buzzing around all the time. You're closer by car than anyone else to the taqueria on 301 (that's a huge upside, to me). Your newest rec center, First Responders, has free video games. Bonds are all paid, and the developer isn't interested in expanding up there so you don't have to worry about your street becoming a thruway.

Downside - you're far away from everything else by golf cart.

Neutral - it's not THAT far, if you're doing your weekly shopping and want to make a morning or afternoon of it. You can get to Southern Trace for Publix, then to the end of Wedgewood and across for Fresh Market and Petco, pick up a new 6-pack of Hanes for Hers at Marshall's, have lunch at NY Pizza or any of the myriad of restaurants and fast-food joints in the area, and still be home in time for your pickleball game.

Spanish Springs Town Square is only around 20 minutes down El Camino Real by golf cart, 10 by car, Sumter Landing maybe a half hour since you'd be coming in off Stillwater at Buena Vista or 15-20 minutes by car depending on traffic. So if you're looking for live music/dancing and socializing with groups, it's really not that far.

Brownwood and Sawgrass would be a trek.

[margaretmattson]

Living in Fenny area. My observations:

Younger demographic as you go further south. Not a deal breaker, but if you are 65 and all of your neighbors are 85, how much will they want to do with you and what will you have in common? They may also start looking at you as the "young people" that can help them out with the things they can't do anymore, or transportation to their Dr. appointment.

More shopping up north. But if Amazon and Walmart deliver, what do you care? Drive up there once a month if you need that fix.

More square activity. Brownwood and Sawgrass are generally packed. Spanish Springs? Not as much, and look at all of the closed stores.

If down south, you have all of the new things, not to mention Middleton. And Eastport is coming. There is something about looking at young people walking around, and just experiencing a feeling of vibrancy. I don't get that around Spanish Springs.

Closer to Orlando and Clermont. Airport, shopping, and unique restaurants. And personally, I have an antenna in my attic that pulls in all of the Orlando stations for free. Not sure that would work as well up north.

Just my thoughts. Your mileage may vary. Good luck!There are MANY residents in the 50-65 yr old bracket in the north. The squares in the south are crowded because everyone is new. Stores and businesses close throughout the Villages REGULARLY. Have you been to Sawgrass? Not the same as when it opened, is it? Ednas on the green? Not the same!

[coffeebean]

Apparently you haven't been to Lake Miona or just south of Sumter landing. There are trails both places.

The walking path beginning at Lake Miona Rec Center has a springy pavement. It is WONDERFUL on the joints. Great stuff.

[PilotAlan]

So let's start you off with a new "good" habit: Sumter is spelled Sumter, not Sumpter.

LOL! Thanks for that. :jester:
Seriously, this is exactly the type of feedback I was looking for. Another thing for the to-do list for lifestyle visit, explore the Nancy Lopez area.

I really appreciate it!

[PilotAlan]

]OP: you should rent in the area for a month and ask the residents what they enjoy. There are PLENTY of amenities. Some not found in the southern area.

Any hints on amenities not found in the south?
You make a great point, just talking to the local residents.

Thanks again!

[Byte1]

Quietest and nicest community in the Northern area has been the village of Santiago, off of El Camino. Have to catch a deal real fast when the homes become available because they seem to sell as soon as they are listed. Probably because folks really like it there and it is a quiet and friendly neighborhood. And it is located in Sumter county, close to shopping, hospital and village center of Spanish Springs. I originally had a smaller home and we decided to upgrade to a Designer model. We were looking South of Rt466 but ended up setting for the Santiago village and we are really glad we did. Just my opinion, but if there are so very few homes for sale in an area, it seems like it is most likely due to it being a choice area.

[LoisR]

Avoid the southern areas. Ridiculous bond fees, houses with bare landscaping, little or no med services, little or no shopping, scarce golf courses, etc.

[westernrider75]

Avoid the southern areas. Ridiculous bond fees, houses with bare landscaping, little or no med services, little or no shopping, scarce golf courses, etc.

You must not have been “south” in awhile. Our area south of 44 is now 6 years old, landscaping is beautiful and not overgrown and old looking. There are plenty of medical facilities including the emergency room at 44, all the facilities at Brownwood, as well as many independent offices constantly opening. We have 3 new golf courses opening shortly in addition to what we already have, as well as all the new businesses that will be at Eastport. Are there bonds, yes. Some have been paid off but most have not. But you are getting new/newer homes with updated floor plans, new roofs, new heating and cooling, etc. There are many benefits to the more southern areas.

[Aviator1211]

If you like to take a walk, be aware there are no walking/biking trails north of Route 44, except for the sidewalks where golf carts whiz by about a foot away from you.

My wife and I love to walk so we always drive south of 44 to enjoy the beautiful trails down there.
North of 466 the golf carts in a hurry drive on Morse, so the multimodal paths are safe and pleasant. Plus, there are more cut-throughs between neighborhoods, so plenty of walking options. We have near a dozen different 3 mile loops to alternate between. We are extremely happy in the North, but I'm reasonably sure we would have been happy in the South too. The Villages is the place to be!

[Rwirish]

First there is no Lake Sumpter. You are probably referring to Lake Sumter.

The biggest advantage of being up north is you you are close to everything and far from being south of 44.

[sowtime444]

Cons - Hard to think of any, but I’ll try. If you are hell bent on a new home, not your best option. There have been a few sink holes in the Calumet Grove area. Taxes are higher in Marion County.

There have been at least 6 sinkholes between 466 and 466A. There have been 2 that I know of in the Calumet Grove area - both homes were abutted to a retention pond. Marion and Lake counties are both higher property taxes than Sumter county. About $300/year more per $100,000 of house.

The main advantage of the far north is being able to find a house with full height shade trees in the yard so that you can actually go outdoors in the summer months.

But really what you need to do is look through the list of which sports, clubs, and activities are held at which recreation centers and plot your favorites on a map and then figure out which area makes sense. Most activities have both a north and south option but not all. The more "active" stuff is going to skew south also.

[Normal]

Any hints on amenities not found in the south?
You make a great point, just talking to the local residents.

Thanks again!

The south end is amenity rich! Golf is everywhere and there are additional pitch n putts too! There is Brownwood, but now the much larger square under construction, Eastport. Last I checked the north end doesn’t have dragon boat racing? There really isn’t a comparable Sawgrass or Edna’s up North? Further, retail is exploding in the south: Super Target, Outback, Walmart, Hooters…you name it. I’m not sure what the OP is saying. The south is also nice because MCO is 45 minutes or so. We love the southern end.

[Ellwoodrick]

Good luck in your search. My wife and I are in the northern part of the Villages, Woodbury. We have found that being closer to (outside the bubble) shopping works for us works better. We like being able go to major retailers within 10 to 15 minutes along Rt 27. Yes there is traffic. It comes with the territory. We just shop when it's not as busy. Our neighborhood very neighbor friendly. We both are part of Breakfast groups that meet regularly. There are both Men's, Woman's and couples Golf groups if you like to play Golf. Easy Golf Cart ride to Public's, Mulberry Rec Center, less than 30 minute cart ride to Spanish Springs & Brownwood. We have a neighborhood Christmas party. We enjoy the Squares but not every night. Generally once a week or less. Like most Neighborhoods we have an active AED group that maintains the AED stations within the Neighborhood. As we age this is an attractive aspect. The Bonds on the homes tend to be paid off. Our home is 20+ years old. Newer Roof and Air Conditioning system. Something to consider. It makes a difference when you are shopping for Insurance. Our home is a nice size home and the lot is a little larger than down south. Some of the homes on the market have been updated some have not. Ours was not updated. That gives us the ability to customize the way we want to with out ripping out renovations you don't like. Good Luck in your search.

[Drrichross]

Please, educate me so I don't write off an area from lack of knowledge. Your pros and cons are appreciated![/QUOTE]

We bought a couple years ago and are up in mulberry Grove. We love riding in our carts with a nice breeze. 20 minutes to SS, 30 minutes to Sumter and 45 to brownwood. We even head down to fenney grill on occasion for a nice lunch. When we go to first responders to play putt putt I often notice nobody is using the pickleball courts, which is not what I hear from posters in the south. In the north I feel young (58/55) and in the south I feel old. We are only part timers, and when/if I ever get to retire full time I probably will change to a bigger house but don't see moving below Sumter. Lots of shopping and dining up in the north, and a lot less traffic.

[johnblackwell]

What's the advantage of living way up north? What are the cons?
We're looking at TV for retirement soon. There's some nice houses and nice neighborhoods up north of St Simons, in the Nancy Lopez/Hwy 42 area.
It seems it's a long way to Spanish Springs, even longer to Lake Sumpter. The Morse compound seems like it cuts off that area from rest of the Villages.

Please, educate me so I don't write off an area from lack of knowledge. Your pros and cons are appreciated!

Before we bought further South, we rented in the 'historic section' where we made friends very quickly. It took rather longer where we bought. I think the difference lay in the carports in the historic section. From time to time when entering or leaving home, I would see a neighbor struggling with groceries, and help. Soon we were friends. Here, if our neighbors struggle, they have already electronically shut their garage door, cutting themselves off from help.

Just a thought.

[Ham_and_Cheese]

We were looking at a 7 day lifestyle. Maybe a 4 day and spend a few 3-4 day trips in rental homes.No input on living there, because we don't yet

However, we did do a 7-day Lifestyle visit in December with plans to do another week in a rental (which we had to cut out for family reasons)

We saw a lot in those 7 days, but it just wasn't enough. We plan to come back down, probably for a month, maybe more, to really get a feel for the place. Spend as much time as you're able to - it'll be worth it

If, for any reason, you don't like the agent they assign you; don't have any qualms about switching off to another one. We met one at an open house we attended and really hit it off - we ended up switching. Initially we felt bad, but were told not to - it happens all the time
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[yporter]

Your pros and cons are appreciated!

My advice is to determine what you like to do (hobbies, sports, rec, etc) and look for those activities as you try out different areas. Bicyclist? There are several organized groups that ride from specific locations on a regular schedule. Dancer? There are several different communities of dance (ballroom, country, WCS, swing, line dance, freestyle, etc) and their dances are usually at specific rec centers on a regular rotation. Pickleball? Card players? Golfers? Parrotheads? etc, etc, etc. There's a LOT of activities, and many groups are focused at specific and multiple locations; some are weekly, some monthly. If you have preferences, look at the rec news (weekly publication, available online - there's a link to the current one at Recreation - The Villages Community Development Districts (https://www.districtgov.org/recreation/)

We rented in 4 different parts of TV, and found the best concentration of the specific activities that we like was in the areas between 466 & 466A. We do go to events in the far north (Mulberry, etc) and south (Ezell and Everglades) and have explored a lot (aka joyriding in the golf cart), but actually living for several months at a time in different areas helped us assess and decide where we concentrated on when it came time to buy.

[Danube]

The Morse compound has nothing to do with traveling through The Villages.

Except the fact you have to drive around it.

[VApeople]

North of 466 the golf carts in a hurry drive on Morse

That is not true. Golf carts are not allowed on Morse.

the multimodal paths are safe and pleasant.

Eight years ago we walked a short distance on a multi-modal path and thought it was unsafe. Now we drive south of 44 to enjoy our walks.

[Battlebasset]

There are MANY residents in the 50-65 yr old bracket in the north. The squares in the south are crowded because everyone is new. Stores and businesses close throughout the Villages REGULARLY. Have you been to Sawgrass? Not the same as when it opened, is it? Ednas on the green? Not the same!

Sorry, not my experience. Again, just my observations after living here since 2020. Your mileage may vary.

I've been to Sawgrass numerous times. It's great to see so many folks using it. Edna's on the Green? Never my favorite, but nice to go there after a round of golf.

[georgefloto]

Advantage? Less traffic, close to VA, lake Sumter and Spanish springs about same 5 miles or so. Closer to Ocala area. Shopping close to include the Proposed Costco’s at Southern Trace. Disadvantages? If buy Marion county little higher taxes than other counties. Things you may like to do maybe below lake Sumter 7 plus miles. So, basically you have to decide what you want. IMO anything below 466 traffic gets real bad. If that don’t bother you have at it.

Totally agree.
From the farthest point at Rt42 Lake Sumter is about 20 minutes, Spanish Springs is about 15 minutes.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Before we bought further South, we rented in the 'historic section' where we made friends very quickly. It took rather longer where we bought. I think the difference lay in the carports in the historic section. From time to time when entering or leaving home, I would see a neighbor struggling with groceries, and help. Soon we were friends. Here, if our neighbors struggle, they have already electronically shut their garage door, cutting themselves off from help.

Just a thought.

I visit other parts of the Villages often, including residential areas. It's been my experience that the Historic Section (where I live) tends to be much more of an old-fashioned "neighborhood." Lanais are either directly in front of the house or along the side, accessed through the carport (which is often ALSO converted to a lanai). So people who enjoy sitting on their lanais in nice weather are much more likely to interact with folks taking their dogs for a walk or just getting exercise. Plus neighbors can see that you're home and might come over to share a snack or a few minutes of chit-chat. Or ask for that ubiquitous cup of sugar that every old fashioned neighborhood knows about.

Other neighborhoods in The Villages can easily end up with similar experiences, however the Historic Section seems to be built for the purpose.

[pgettinger01]

Advantages
Bond is paid down or off
Lots are bigger
Mature growth
No construction
Traffic is what it is and going to be

Cons
Construction is Tilt Wall, Stucco and is strong versus mobile homes and wood frame
People are younger
Probably have twelve (12) years before replacing HVAC and Roof
The facilities, houses, and infrastructure are older
The Villages is different in the South (More walking trails...)

[DonH57]

What's the advantage of living way up north? What are the cons?
We're looking at TV for retirement soon. There's some nice houses and nice neighborhoods up north of St Simons, in the Nancy Lopez/Hwy 42 area.
It seems it's a long way to Spanish Springs, even longer to Lake Sumpter. The Morse compound seems like it cuts off that area from rest of the Villages.

Please, educate me so I don't write off an area from lack of knowledge. Your pros and cons are appreciated!

We've been in Santo Domingo village about 11 years now. We've been really happy. Most houses here have the bond paid off. Traffic in this area is generally not bad even in the busy season compared to southern areas of the villages. We do have the occasional daily speeders driving 30 miles an hour on some side streets, but that's everywhere now. A lot of restaurants and bars have closed up in Spanish Springs but hopefully they will be replaced by others. The way the villages are slapping up new houses with fewer features I personally would not buy down south. Just my opinion.

[PJOHNS2654]

GOLF CARTS NOT ALLOWED ON MORSE????

I drive my golf cart in the multimodal lane on Morse several times a week.

[BruceWay]

i bought in Duval area as it is 3 miles south of LSL and 4 miles north of Brownwood.

But i have noticed that people tend to like where they live. Partially they get used to the area.

[Pat#79Luv]

We live in the village of Chatham, on Legacy Lane, not far from Nancy Lopez CC. We love our neighborhood. Our area has all stucco homes, no vinyl sided homes. Trees are large providing shade and other landscaping is mature. We are close to a grocery store, a gas station, a number of restaurants etc. We drive our cart to Spanish Springs, Lake Sumter and Brownwood all of the time. We have also taken a few trips waaaaay south, in the golf cart, just for the fun of it. We don’t golf a lot, but are near 3 Championship golf courses, Lopez, Palmer and Glenview, plus a good number of executive courses. We are off of County 42 and not far from 301, 466, 441 etc. Just our opinion, but we think the northern area is great. Lots of homes no longer have bonds and have been updated to some point, at least. If I were you, I wouldn’t discount the northern area without at least taking a good look at it. We have been here 9 years and LOVE it. Happy home shopping!

[jimmy o]

Thanks for that. We have a lifestyle visit planned, I know the lifestyle homes are all wayyy down south, but it didn't occur to me yet how that plays into getting to know the various parts of town.
We were looking at a 7 day lifestyle. Maybe a 4 day and spend a few 3-4 day trips in rental homes.
Do the Lifestyle visit, then rent hotel room at Lake Sumter or Spanish Springs for 3 or 4 days. You will never get a true feeling for what you're looking for if you only try out the South end, as it's really far out from the North.

[Stu from NYC]

Do the Lifestyle visit, then rent hotel room at Lake Sumter or Spanish Springs for 3 or 4 days. You will never get a true feeling for what you're looking for if you only try out the South end, as it's really far out from the North.

Better than less time but IMHO not nearly enough. We were here a few times for long weekends but before we bought rented for 30 days. Place is too big to decide to become a villager and than figure out where you want to live

[Nana2Teddy]

Living in Fenny area. My observations:

Younger demographic as you go further south. Not a deal breaker, but if you are 65 and all of your neighbors are 85, how much will they want to do with you and what will you have in common? They may also start looking at you as the "young people" that can help them out with the things they can't do anymore, or transportation to their Dr. appointment.

More shopping up north. But if Amazon and Walmart deliver, what do you care? Drive up there once a month if you need that fix.

More square activity. Brownwood and Sawgrass are generally packed. Spanish Springs? Not as much, and look at all of the closed stores.

If down south, you have all of the new things, not to mention Middleton. And Eastport is coming. There is something about looking at young people walking around, and just experiencing a feeling of vibrancy. I don't get that around Spanish Springs.

Closer to Orlando and Clermont. Airport, shopping, and unique restaurants. And personally, I have an antenna in my attic that pulls in all of the Orlando stations for free. Not sure that would work as well up north.

Just my thoughts. Your mileage may vary. Good luck!

And Fenney is gorgeous! We live in DeLuna and cart to Fenney regularly. Love living down south. 😊

[Topspinmo]

And Fenney is gorgeous! We live in DeLuna and cart to Fenney regularly. Love living down south. 😊


When I got here the sales pitch was no more development so better not wait? :1rotfl: There was nothing south of 44 or southeast of 466a and Morse blvd. Other than dump site.

[VApeople]

I drive my golf cart in the multimodal lane on Morse several times a week.

Yeah, I forgot that the old fashioned area of Morse is only 2-lane with a golf cart path along the side. We have lived here for 9 years and we have only driven on that part of Morse three times.

[asianthree]

OP what you will find Everyone thinks their neighborhood is the best. They all have driveway parties, golf groups, nice neighbors, and the best house one can find. At one time currently have a bond or paid it off (with the exception of Historical sections)

One thing to consider, when homes in certain areas are far less money, than other areas, do you think is just a bargain, or is the lower price, because it’s maybe harder to sell?

Then if your life changes 6 months from now, you need to sell the home, will you have difficulty selling?

Because no matter how much you plan, things can change in a heartbeat, or lack of one

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

I did not think they did lifestyle visits for as long as 7 days but maybe that changed? If your wanting to check out the north not sure why you would spend time with the lifestyle visits in an area your not interested in (and what would you be gaining?). Check out the rentals and airbrb’s in the areas you’re interested in first, IMO. Your coming in the off season so rates and availability will be good.
You can rent a house for how many days you want. I did it recently for some family members were are trying to talk into moving here.

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

The northern sections have more store/restaurants/golf courses/rec centers/doctors, and more trees.

The southern areas look cleaner because they’re all so new. You decide.

[Marathon Man]

Here is some information about the north.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/spanish-springs-dieing-slowly-357054/index2.html

[JMintzer]

Another "North vs South, which is better?" thread. Yayyy!

Since it's tl/dr, just buy where you feel at home. No one else's opinions matter...

[JMintzer]

Here is some information about the north.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/spanish-springs-dieing-slowly-357054/index2.html

Information? Nah... Opinion? Most definitely...

[tophcfa]

Any hints on amenities not found in the south?

Way way more golf per rooftop, both Executives and Champs. Plus, way easier to get a lane to swim laps in one of the sports pools.

[Marathon Man]

Way way more golf per rooftop, both Executives and Champs. Plus, way easier to get a lane to swim laps in one of the sports pools.

Why do people say more amenities when they mean more golf? As far as 'way way more', I would like to see numbers to support that. More green space per square mile in the south means fewer houses. Therefore, fewer courses does not necessarily mean less per rooftop.

[Michael 61]

Why do people say more amenities when they mean more golf? As far as 'way way more', I would like to see numbers to support that. More green space per square mile in the south means fewer houses. Therefore, fewer courses does not necessarily mean less per rooftop.

You make a valid point. We in the South have a plethora of amenities close by. And many new golf courses are coming in the next few years. And as you state, there is far more open space in the south, which means it is less-congested.

I could be equally happy in the North or South, as they both have their attractions and benefits. It’s nice to be able to travel easily and enjoy all areas of The Villages.

Overall, I decided to buy south of 44, because I wanted a new house with a modern, open floor plan. As a younger, pre-Medicare age retiree, I also wanted to be around people closer to my own age. (You see the demographic difference if you visit SS town square vs Brownwood or Sawgrass). I actually wanted to be far away from all the shopping and big box stores. I just need a grocery store near by, and I have two (Traverse and Magnolia). For many in my age demographic and younger, we conduct the vast majority of our shopping online.

It sure is nice to have options where we choose to live, and I enjoy meeting and talking with people in all areas of The Villages. It’s nice to be able to get in my cart and in less than 30 minutes, I’m enjoying all the beautiful, mature trees up North. And then I can return to south of 44 and enjoy the miles and miles of nature trails.

[DonH57]

GOLF CARTS NOT ALLOWED ON MORSE????

I drive my golf cart in the multimodal lane on Morse several times a week.

I think they mean on Morse just past 466.

[margaretmattson]

Sorry, not my experience. Again, just my observations
after living here since 2020. Your mileage
may vary.

I've been to Sawgrass numerous times.It's great to see so many
folks using it.
Edna's on the Green? Neverr my favorite, but nice to go there
after a round of golf. I have lived in the Villages over 20 years. I would say an average of 5-8 close per year. (it may be a little higher) When gone, folks happily move on and enjoy the replacements.

Off the top of my head, here is a list of recent closures.

Sonny's, McGrady's,, Dunkin, World of Beer, plus a few more. Not a big deal! Each will be replaced and few will remember those that left.

[michgary]

Decide what you will be doing every day,, what sports or activities.. and then find the nearest options to those sports or activities. "Shopping" is not something you need to do every day.
We find every thing we like to do between Seabreeze and Lake Miona,, and alamanda and hibiscus and Colony and canal and truman. Ask your self what do you like to do every single day and be close to it. Look at the weekly events guide to see what is available and where you will be going. Driving a golf cart every day more than 20 min is not that fun.
There are people of all ages at line dance, pickle ball, water aerobics or what ever you enjoy doing,, that is where you will meet your new friends,, at the activities you enjoy doing a few times a week. :pepper2:

[PilotAlan]

Decide what you will be doing every day,, what sports or activities.. and then find the nearest options to those sports or activities. ... Look at the weekly events guide to see what is available and where you will be going. Driving a golf cart every day more than 20 min is not that fun.

Thanks for all the feedback from everyone. Lots of great info and considerations, and REAL LIFE lessons and experience rather than theory or guesses.
Looking at what activities are available where is a great suggestion I hadn't thought about.

The intent was not "North vs South" but "What am I missing about the far north?" That's a very different thing.

We'll see how things look after the lifestyle visit!

Alan

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

You make a valid point. We in the South have a plethora of amenities close by. And many new golf courses are coming in the next few years. And as you state, there is far more open space in the south, which means it is less-congested.

I could be equally happy in the North or South, as they both have their attractions and benefits. It’s nice to be able to travel easily and enjoy all areas of The Villages.

Overall, I decided to buy south of 44, because I wanted a new house with a modern, open floor plan. As a younger, pre-Medicare age retiree, I also wanted to be around people closer to my own age. (You see the demographic difference if you visit SS town square vs Brownwood or Sawgrass). I actually wanted to be far away from all the shopping and big box stores. I just need a grocery store near by, and I have two (Traverse and Magnolia). For many in my age demographic and younger, we conduct the vast majority of our shopping online.

It sure is nice to have options where we choose to live, and I enjoy meeting and talking with people in all areas of The Villages. It’s nice to be able to get in my cart and in less than 30 minutes, I’m enjoying all the beautiful, mature trees up North. And then I can return to south of 44 and enjoy the miles and miles of nature trails.

The demographics in Spanish Springs is dependent on who's playing that night. With some bands, the majority of people on the dance floor are under 60, and many are under 40. With others, the White Hair Brigade holds the floor.

Often you'll see a lot of older folks sitting down. But if you want to know who it's really attracting, watch the dance floor.

[dadspet]

I clearly agree

[margaretmattson]

Thanks for all the feedback from everyone. Lots of great info and considerations, and REAL LIFE lessons and experience rather than theory or guesses.
Looking at what activities are available where is a great suggestion I hadn't thought about.

The intent was not "North vs South" but "What am I missing about the far north?" That's a very different thing.

We'll see how things look after the lifestyle visit!

Alan
Making a list is wonderful advice. When we moved, we took our time finding the best spot for US. Hubby enjoys swimming but the pools get crowded. Our home is in a neighborhood that has its own pool. Problem solved! Hubby can swim as much as he likes with no exorbitant private pool costs.

I love to walk. Our area is full of beautiful trails both in and outside of the bubble. All minutes away.

Pay close attention to the clubs you wish to join. Some are at beginner level while others are advanced. The clubs we joined are nearby and most importantly, meet our level. It's no fun going to a beginners club while you are advanced in knowledge. It is "torture" when everyone in the club is advanced while you are a beginner.

Be honest with yourself. If shopping and dining are important, buy a home where hundreds of choices are available. Need medical care? Buy where that is in close proximity. Do not buy and tell yourself "oh, I can live without this or that." If you do this, you will find yourself moving rather quickly. Do it right THE FIRST TIME.

[jimhoward]

The distance between Spanish Springs and Eastport is about 14 miles and takes about 35 minutes by car. Almost everything of interest except a few notable golf courses lies between those two. So if you are anywhere between Spanish Springs and Eastport you are within a half an hour by car of almost everything.

If you go to the far north you lose some of that. The far south becomes more than 1/2 hour away.

So the appeal/advantage of the far north would have to be the look of area itself, the cost, and/or its proximity to particular golf courses.

[tophcfa]

The distance between Spanish Springs and Eastport is about 14 miles and takes about 35 minutes by car. Almost everything of interest except a few notable golf courses lies between those two. So if you are anywhere between Spanish Springs and Eastport you are within a half an hour by car of almost everything.

If you go to the far north you lose some of that. The far south becomes more than 1/2 hour away.

So the appeal/advantage of the far north would have to be the look of area itself, the cost, and/or its proximity to particular golf courses.

I guess that’s all fine and dandy if you have a car in the Villages. And exactly what are those few notable golf courses that don’t lie between the north and south of the Villages.

[Mleeja]

St. Simon’s? Where is it located? Morse Compound? The Polo Grounds?

[Nana2Teddy]

I have lived in the Villages over 20 years. I would say an average of 5-8 close per year. (it may be a little higher) When gone, folks happily move on and enjoy the replacements.

Off the top of my head, here is a list of recent closures.

Sonny's, McGrady's,, Dunkin, World of Beer, plus a few more. Not a big deal! Each will be replaced and few will remember those that left.
McGrady’s didn’t close, it changed ownership to the FMK Hospitality Group, and was renamed Sawgrass Tavern. I don’t know where Dunkin closed, but plenty of new locations have opened recently, and World of Beer in Brownwood Square is still going strong. Every time we pass it it’s packed.

[jimhoward]

I guess that’s all fine and dandy if you have a car in the Villages. And exactly what are those few notable golf courses that don’t lie between the north and south of the Villages.

If you don't have a car, then the far north would become quite remote. I know people love their golf carts, but no car at all can make the accessible universe pretty tiny.

Nancy Lopez for example is north of Spanish Springs, and that is supposed to be a pretty good course. I haven't played it. But if one loved that particular course it might be a reason to live in the far north.

[coffeebean]

GOLF CARTS NOT ALLOWED ON MORSE????

I drive my golf cart in the multimodal lane on Morse several times a week.

To clarify......that is north of 466. There are no MM Paths south of 466 on Morse Blvd.

[tophcfa]

If you don't have a car, then the far north would become quite remote. I know people love their golf carts, but no car at all can make the accessible universe pretty tiny.

Nancy Lopez for example is north of Spanish Springs, and that is supposed to be a pretty good course. I haven't played it. But if one loved that particular course it might be a reason to live in the far north.

Well, since we’ve had a home north of 466 for almost 10 years, I’ll go ahead and call you out on your entire post. The accessible universe is anything but pretty thin, and unless we need access to good healthcare, no car is necessary. And thanks for letting me know where Lopez is located, but dementia hasn’t set in yet, and I can remember the location since I’ve been there, and to the Mulberry sports pool, well over a hundred times.

[jimhoward]

Well, since we’ve had a home north of 466 for almost 10 years, I’ll go ahead and call you out on your entire post. The accessible universe is anything but pretty thin, and unless we need access to good healthcare, no car is necessary. And thanks for letting me know where Lopez is located, but dementia hasn’t set in yet, and I can remember the location since I’ve been there, and to the Mulberry sports pool, well over a hundred times.

Sorry for stating the obvious. I am sure you and everyone else knows where Nancy Lopez is...far better than me. I mentioned it replying to a post, I think maybe yours, asking what notable courses I was referring to as not lying between SS and Eastport.

As to the golf cart. More power to you if a golf cart is all you need.

[PilotAlan]

Making a list is wonderful advice. ...
Pay close attention to the clubs you wish to join. ...
Be honest with yourself. ... Do not buy and tell yourself "oh, I can live without this or that." If you do this, you will find yourself moving rather quickly. Do it right THE FIRST TIME.

Thank you so much, Margaret. This is fantastic advice!

[PilotAlan]

Thanks Jim. This exactly the kind of context I needed. What it looks like on the map isn't reflective of real life, but if you don't live here yet it's very hard to get perspective.

The distance between Spanish Springs and Eastport is about 14 miles and takes about 35 minutes by car. Almost everything of interest except a few notable golf courses lies between those two. So if you are anywhere between Spanish Springs and Eastport you are within a half an hour by car of almost everything.

If you go to the far north you lose some of that. The far south becomes more than 1/2 hour away.

So the appeal/advantage of the far north would have to be the look of area itself, the cost, and/or its proximity to particular golf courses.

[Full-timer]

What's the advantage of living way up north? What are the cons?
We're looking at TV for retirement soon. There's some nice houses and nice neighborhoods up north of St Simons, in the Nancy Lopez/Hwy 42 area.
It seems it's a long way to Spanish Springs, even longer to Lake Sumpter. The Morse compound seems like it cuts off that area from rest of the Villages.

Please, educate me so I don't write off an area from lack of knowledge. Your pros and cons are appreciated! We live "way up north", in Calumet. Pros of this? A lot less traffic, less noise, and peace and quiet as well as more established landscaping all around.

Cons ? None. Spanish Springs is a short cart ride and Lake Sumter Landing is a nice cart ride, (about 35 min.) Sumter by car is 15 minutes.

Add to that, most houses have paid bonds or very low.

[Topspinmo]

I think they mean on Morse just past 466.

On that stretch of Morse off 466 its diamond lanes all way to el Camino Reno roundabout. Probably the most dangerous stretch in villages?

[VApeople]

On that stretch of Morse off 466 its diamond lanes all way to el Camino Reno roundabout. Probably the most dangerous stretch in villages?

Yeah, before we moved here in 2016, other members of this forum warned us not to buy a house in that area.

[jimjamuser]

Thanks for that. We have a lifestyle visit planned, I know the lifestyle homes are all wayyy down south, but it didn't occur to me yet how that plays into getting to know the various parts of town.
We were looking at a 7 day lifestyle. Maybe a 4 day and spend a few 3-4 day trips in rental homes.
Best to come in August or July to see how you react to the temperature and sun.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yeah, before we moved here in 2016, other members of this forum warned us not to buy a house in that area.

I drive that stretch by golf cart a few times every month and never have any trouble. I've seen photos of the traffic buildups at the 466 gate and believe they exist, I'm not doubting them at all. I've just never experienced them. On nice days I like driving in the golf cart lane all the way to the Paige Place roundabout, instead of cutting up Navarro and Del Mar through Spanish Springs, to get to the golf cart bridge on the way home from Sumter. It's a nice change of pace.

I think there are just too many people who can't drive, and shouldn't be driving golf carts, but do it anyway.

[chiare13]

I live in the Northern part of The Villages and I love it.

The reason: I am right on the Summerfield border and 25-30 minutes from Ocala.

It takes me 15-20 minutes by car to get to Sumter Landing and about 10 minutes by car to get to Spanish Springs.

In my opinion, it is a great location to live.

Best of luck!




minutesWhat's the advantage of living way up north? What are the cons?
We're looking at TV for retirement soon. There's some nice houses and nice neighborhoods up north of St Simons, in the Nancy Lopez/Hwy 42 area.
It seems it's a long way to Spanish Springs, even longer to Lake Sumpter. The Morse compound seems like it cuts off that area from rest of the Villages.

Please, educate me so I don't write off an area from lack of knowledge. Your pros and cons are appreciated!

[bagboy]

St. Simon’s? Where is it located? Morse Compound? The Polo Grounds?

I wondered the same thing. There is a courtyard villa community St. Simons north of the Savannah Center, west of Buena Vista. I guessing that's what was referred to.

[PilotAlan]

I wondered the same thing. There is a courtyard villa community St. Simons north of the Savannah Center, west of Buena Vista. I guessing that's what was referred to.

Yes. Just south of Nancy Lopez, just north of El Camino Real.
Sorry, I thought that would be a landmark. Not a Villager yet I forgot there's hundreds of village names.

[Nana2Teddy]

The distance between Spanish Springs and Eastport is about 14 miles and takes about 35 minutes by car. Almost everything of interest except a few notable golf courses lies between those two. So if you are anywhere between Spanish Springs and Eastport you are within a half an hour by car of almost everything.

If you go to the far north you lose some of that. The far south becomes more than 1/2 hour away.

So the appeal/advantage of the far north would have to be the look of area itself, the cost, and/or its proximity to particular golf courses.
This was not our experience at all last Thursday. We drove our car from our home in DeLuna (about 15-20 minutes north of Eastport) to the Sharon Morse Performing Arts Center in Spanish Springs, and it took 50 minutes to get there. We were never in any kind of bumper to bumper traffic, so just a normal drive up there.

[coffeebean]

On that stretch of Morse off 466 its diamond lanes all way to el Camino Reno roundabout. Probably the most dangerous stretch in villages?
We drove our golf cart on that stretch of Morse Blvd only once. We will not do it again. We stay in our golf cart stomping ground right which is around LSL.

Speaking of driving north of 466 on Morse........

Two days ago I was driving my car on Morse heading south approaching the light at 466. On my right I saw two golf carts with a couple in each cart approach the light at 466. Oops, they missed the left turn to hop on the MM path. I motioned to them that they should not drive on 466. The guy in the first cart motioned back to me that he knew they were wrong but proceeded to make the right turn onto 466 and the guy following him made the right turn onto 466 too. Hope they were OK.

[coffeebean]

Best to come in August or July to see how you react to the temperature and sun.
I remember summer nights and days on Long Island that can rival the heat and humidity here in The Villages. Here in Florida that miserable heat and humidity lasts longer but it's not really any different than what I experienced on Long Island. I just stay indoors more in the summer months living here. Air conditioning is my friend.

[Marmaduke]

Depends on what you want to do. Most people move more than once after they arrive. Up towards First Responders, then yes, everything is a drive. A car ride will take 45 min to drive the length or a cart ride will be a couple of hours. If you pick Middleton, then you drive is just as long.

If you like a pre-owned home with no bond, north of 466A. If you want a new home with a high bond, then go south 44. Center of it all was Sumter area generally back in the early 2000s, now center is roughly 44. Get an actual map from the village office, not what Google determines are the boundaries. If you pick the center, then plan on moving in a few years when the center has moved another ten miles south or east or west. Utilize MLS and VLS listings, they can't cross sell/show.

There is no advantage of one area over another. It's what you think you will enjoy doing vs what you end up actually enjoying. We thought 2 golf carts would be perfect, but ended up with 2 cars since our events/gatherings/friends were too far to ride in a cart.
That was an excellent response. I concur. It should prove very helpful to the OP.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

This was not our experience at all last Thursday. We drove our car from our home in DeLuna (about 15-20 minutes north of Eastport) to the Sharon Morse Performing Arts Center in Spanish Springs, and it took 50 minutes to get there. We were never in any kind of bumper to bumper traffic, so just a normal drive up there.

I just checked two different map systems - WAZE and google maps (directions). By car, at this time of day (10:15am on a monday) it would take around 25 minutes. You'd leave The Villages and take 301.

[MikeVillages]

Living in Fenny area. My observations:
…
And personally, I have an antenna in my attic that pulls in all of the Orlando stations for free.
:MOJE_whot:
I live just over the Marion county border. My antenna had to be outside but that is not an issue at all and get over 70 free television stations mostly from Orlando. That and a few free internet shows is planty. See link below.
Let us know where you decide to live even if it takes some time.

[kkingston57]

What's the advantage of living way up north? What are the cons?
We're looking at TV for retirement soon. There's some nice houses and nice neighborhoods up north of St Simons, in the Nancy Lopez/Hwy 42 area.
It seems it's a long way to Spanish Springs, even longer to Lake Sumpter. The Morse compound seems like it cuts off that area from rest of the Villages.

Please, educate me so I don't write off an area from lack of knowledge. Your pros and cons are appreciated!

That area is one of the most mature areas of TV. Has well established large trees and closest to 3 of the best golf courses in TV, Nancy Lopez, Glenview and Arnold Palmer.

Easier to get tee times on the exec courses there. People from the south will not or do not drive that far.

Houses there are mostly in Marion County which does have higher property taxes

[kkingston57]

Thanks for that. We have a lifestyle visit planned, I know the lifestyle homes are all wayyy down south, but it didn't occur to me yet how that plays into getting to know the various parts of town.
We were looking at a 7 day lifestyle. Maybe a 4 day and spend a few 3-4 day trips in rental homes.

TV agents will try to steer you to the new homes and can only sell non new homes if they have the listing. If you are really interested in buying use an outside MLS realtor. They have a lot more homes that they can show you

[Nana2Teddy]

I just checked two different map systems - WAZE and google maps (directions). By car, at this time of day (10:15am on a monday) it would take around 25 minutes. You'd leave The Villages and take 301.

Nope. We’ve taken all of the various routes, including today when we drove from DeLuna up to Hobby Lobby on 466. It took us 50 minutes each way via Buena Vista, but we’ve used 301 several times to go to our dentist on 466 (close to Hobby Lobby), and it’s never taken less than 45-50 minutes. Eastport is another 20 minutes south of us if traffic is light.

[PilotAlan]

That area is one of the most mature areas of TV. Has well established large trees and closest to 3 of the best golf courses in TV, Nancy Lopez, Glenview and Arnold Palmer.
Easier to get tee times on the exec courses there. People from the south will not or do not drive that far.

Great feedback. Thank you!

[Topspinmo]

We drove our golf cart on that stretch of Morse Blvd only once. We will not do it again. We stay in our golf cart stomping ground right which is around LSL.

Speaking of driving north of 466 on Morse........

Two days ago I was driving my car on Morse heading south approaching the light at 466. On my right I saw two golf carts with a couple in each cart approach the light at 466. Oops, they missed the left turn to hop on the MM path. I motioned to them that they should not drive on 466. The guy in the first cart motioned back to me that he knew they were wrong but proceeded to make the right turn onto 466 and the guy following him made the right turn onto 466 too. Hope they were OK.

I call it the gauntlet.

[MikeVillages]

Less traffic during snow bird seasion.

[margaretmattson]

That area is one of the most mature areas of TV. Has well established large trees and closest to 3 of the best golf courses in TV, Nancy Lopez, Glenview and Arnold Palmer.

Easier to get tee times on the exec courses there. People from the south will not or do not drive that far.

Houses there are mostly in Marion County which does have higher property taxesI think most avid golfers would agree the Northern section has the best championship golf courses. I lived in the Villages during the time of planning. The developer at the time, asked for input and design from professional golfers.

The First Responders Rec Center is only a few yrs old. It was designed with input from Villagers who live in that district. It is one of the favorites of many residents.

Lots of shopping and dining in that area. You have direct access to Ocala. A city that has wonderful state park areas (hiking, biking,fishing, kayaks, zip lining horseback riding, and more). There are also many wonderful dining options and plenty of scheduled events. When you want to get out of the bubble, it is a city full of many surprises.

[thelegges]

That area is one of the most mature areas of TV. Has well established large trees and closest to 3 of the best golf courses in TV, Nancy Lopez, Glenview and Arnold Palmer.

Easier to get tee times on the exec courses there. People from the south will not or do not drive that far.

Houses there are mostly in Marion County which does have higher property taxes

Residents from the south golf rarely leave out championship due to location, but degree of conditions. Our S44 group of 20 travels to Glenview twice a month, Palmer, Lopez once a month, unless course is have issues. Play usually twice a week, because of enhanced membership

[justjim]

We live between 466A and State Route 44. We are close to Brownwood and Sumter Landing by a 15 minute golf cart ride. 2 Publix, a neighborhood WalMart, 12 executive golf courses, 4 championship courses, Colony strip mall, Lake Deaton strip mall all within about a 15 minute or less golf cart ride. Adult and family pools, recreation facilities too many to count. We don’t freeze much as we travel for fresh produce and meat as needed because grocery is so close. It doesn’t get much better than this!

That said, we have good friends that live up north near near Nancy Lopez, northwest near where the new Costco is being built and Historical area of The Villages and all think they live in the “best” area of The Villages. To each their own.

[Will.S]

We bought in this northern area for several reasons. More house for our money, mature trees, no bond, cheaper taxes, more shopping, and upgrades already done by prior owner. Spanish Springs is 10 minutes by golf cart, Sumter Landing is 25 minutes by golf cart.
That just works out for us.


What's the advantage of living way up north? What are the cons?
We're looking at TV for retirement soon. There's some nice houses and nice neighborhoods up north of St Simons, in the Nancy Lopez/Hwy 42 area.
It seems it's a long way to Spanish Springs, even longer to Lake Sumpter. The Morse compound seems like it cuts off that area from rest of the Villages.

Please, educate me so I don't write off an area from lack of knowledge. Your pros and cons are appreciated!

[JoelJohnson]

We moved into a manufactured home in Country Club Hills in 2015, great neighbors! We spent a lot of money upgrading the house, but after a while we didn't want to put any more money into a manufactured home. We moved over to a 3 bed room house in Rio Ponderosa in 2020. Where we are now makes it easy to get to Spanish Springs or Lake Sumter. For the 5th time, we are in our forever home.

[npwalters]

Thanks for all of that. I don't think I'm interested in way down south. The bonds are insane, and the amenities are a ways off.
I'm thinking about the 466A area due to density of golf courses and amenities/retail. Although anywhere between Spanish Springs and Brownwood is under consideration.

But there's lots of houses for very good prices up above St Simons. It just looks like it's inconveniently far from many things.

The prettiest and most convenient areas in TV are between 466 and SR44 in my opinion. I live between 466 and 441 (a little further north) and am very happy here but IF I were to move it would be in that area.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We moved into a manufactured home in Country Club Hills in 2015, great neighbors! We spent a lot of money upgrading the house, but after a while we didn't want to put any more money into a manufactured home. We moved over to a 3 bed room house in Rio Ponderosa in 2020. Where we are now makes it easy to get to Spanish Springs or Lake Sumter. For the 5th time, we are in our forever home.

I think the only downside to Rio Ponderosa is not having any option other than driving your golf cart on Morse, in order to get -anywhere- outside Rio Ponderosa.

On the historic side, I have lots of places I can go, shop, eat at, get medical care from, without ever having to drive my cart onto Morse.

But that isn't really a deal-breaker for me since I don't mind driving my cart on the Morse cart/bicycle lane. I'm not phased by it at all. Perhaps that's because I consider the golf cart bridge over 441 to be sort of like a roller coaster hill and consider it FUN to drive over rather than scary.

The entire experience of golf cart driving is adventurous to me. It's a mini-thrill that lends to the OTHER reputation of the Villages as a Disneyland for seniors.

[ElDiabloJoe]

So let's start you off with a new "good" habit: Sumter is spelled Sumter, not Sumpter. Okay that's out of the way. ...

One of many Villagers' biggest pet peeves. I have heard the saying, "There's no pee in Lake Sumter" as a reminder of the proper spelling.

Your newest rec center, First Responders, has free video games. ...
While we agree on very little, we can agree on this. I know Eisenhower, Everglades and many others are amazingly decorated and beautiful Rec Centers, my personal favorite is the new First Responders' Recreation Center. Mostly because of the decor and private, personal feeling of the place. Not overly used and can always get to the activity there I want without wait or issue.

[Aces4]

I visit other parts of the Villages often, including residential areas. It's been my experience that the Historic Section (where I live) tends to be much more of an old-fashioned "neighborhood." Lanais are either directly in front of the house or along the side, accessed through the carport (which is often ALSO converted to a lanai). So people who enjoy sitting on their lanais in nice weather are much more likely to interact with folks taking their dogs for a walk or just getting exercise. Plus neighbors can see that you're home and might come over to share a snack or a few minutes of chit-chat. Or ask for that ubiquitous cup of sugar that every old fashioned neighborhood knows about.

Other neighborhoods in The Villages can easily end up with similar experiences, however the Historic Section seems to be built for the purpose.

Thank makes a lot of sense and I wish TV still used that concept with their home plans. Nothing like a nice veranda facing the street and the opportunity to watch the world go by from a comfy chair. Even screening it in wouldn't keep one from interacting with the neighbors. But then the kissing lanais would be gone.:beer3:

[MplsPete]

CON: Florida Building Codes.
In July 2024 a State Farm agency (think it was on 466) told me they won't insure older homes. I can't remember the exact cut off, but it was about 20-25 years old, and I believe this is due to upgraded building codes of the early 21st century.

[Arctic Fox]

What's the advantage of living way up north? What are the cons?


One of the advantages is that I live up there.

Of course, that appears under "cons", too.

Glad to be of help.

[PilotAlan]

Glad to be of help.
Everyone's comments are much appreciated.

We're doing a lifestyle visit this year, I know that will be way down south.
We've already decided to make at least two more trips. One to rent for a couple weeks, probably between the 6s, and another couple weeks up by Spanish Springs and around Hwy 42.

Thanks everyone! Keep any comments coming!

[Topspinmo]

CON: Florida Building Codes.
In July 2024 a State Farm agency (think it was on 466) told me they won't insure older homes. I can't remember the exact cut off, but it was about 20-25 years old, and I believe this is due to upgraded building codes of the early 21st century.

END 0F 2002 roof hurricane ties in attic. My house was built in November 2003 and it has upgrade when I got estimates from State Farm. Like Allstate way too high then.

IMO insurance shouldn’t be able to dictate who they will insure in state either all or none.

[Topspinmo]

You must not have been “south” in awhile. Our area south of 44 is now 6 years old, landscaping is beautiful and not overgrown and old looking. There are plenty of medical facilities including the emergency room at 44, all the facilities at Brownwood, as well as many independent offices constantly opening. We have 3 new golf courses opening shortly in addition to what we already have, as well as all the new businesses that will be at Eastport. Are there bonds, yes. Some have been paid off but most have not. But you are getting new/newer homes with updated floor plans, new roofs, new heating and cooling, etc. There are many benefits to the more southern areas.

Due to insurance scams nearly 98% of all houses in villages have new roof. There one left in my neighborhood. I’m still wondering how they are able to get insurance. It’s rental so they probably have different rules like tax deduction for new roof, where a home owner don’t get squat. :clap2:

[Dotneko]

I drive to MCO or Tampa 6 times a month on average. Being in St Cats (Sawgrass) saves me over an hour each round trip.
Our village has grown up nicely. Lovely walking and biking trails. Easy golf cart rides on dedicated paths to Middleton, Eastport, Brownwood or LSL. We rarely go to Spanish Springs - there is little we require up there. Maybe a long cart ride to BJs every other month or a yearly craving for Texas Roadhouse.
We have over 40 restaurants within a 35 minute golf cart ride.
My doctor is down here. Any services we need are down here.
To me, driving up Morse to the north is a sea of similarly colored houses, many have visible mold on roofs and siding.
I laugh when someone brags about upgrades. Personally, I want to pick the tile I want. Not what someone else has chosen.
Im glad some like to be in the north, but give me the southern end!

[npwalters]

Due to insurance scams nearly 98% of all houses in villages have new roof. There one left in my neighborhood. I’m still wondering how they are able to get insurance. It’s rental so they probably have different rules like tax deduction for new roof, where a home owner don’t get squat. :clap2:

Just curious why you refer to it as insurance scams. I know when I had my roof replaced the insurance company had a person come out and verify it need to be done as a result of the previous hurricane. in other words - the insurance company was completely involved in the process. That is/was pretty common.

[mraines]

What's the advantage of living way up north? What are the cons?
We're looking at TV for retirement soon. There's some nice houses and nice neighborhoods up north of St Simons, in the Nancy Lopez/Hwy 42 area.
It seems it's a long way to Spanish Springs, even longer to Lake Sumpter. The Morse compound seems like it cuts off that area from rest of the Villages.

Please, educate me so I don't write off an area from lack of knowledge. Your pros and cons are appreciated!
There is no "p" in Sumter. I live up North and wouldn't live anywhere else. I can get anywhere I need to go by golf cart. I have no desire to go to the south. Sumter is as far as I go. Cons? There are some homes that are unkempt but there are more that are well maintained. We don't have "cookie cutter" homes and have more leeway about lawn ornaments.

[Lottoguy]

We live between Lopez and Glenview. We love this area because it's close to just about everything you will ever need. Don't focus too much on homes close to the squares. After you've been here a while you won't be going to them as often as you think. We are close to many of the well known stores, Costco is going to open probably in about three months. If you play golf then getting a tee times up here is easier then in the southern area. We are also close to the driving ranges too. The hospital is very close as well as many of the emergency sites and various medical offices.
Traffic is lighter up here during the winter months. Your also close to the major entertainment venues, like Savannah Center, The Sharon, Polo Fields, Terra Del Sol blackbox theater, two bowling alleys etc. Most of the homes have new roofs, many updates in the homes as well as landscaping. Almost all of the homes have the bonds paid off or they are very small and will be retired very soon.
If I had to pick two Villages for you to focus on in the northern area they would be Tall Trees and Piedmont. Try if possible to get a Village that has quick access to Buena Vista or Morse. Having a roundabout is great at your exit or a stoplight. Those homes on Morse north of 466 are near impossible to make a left from your side street in the winter months.

[PilotAlan]

This is EXACTLY the kind of feedback I was looking for. Thanks!

We live between Lopez and Glenview. We love this area because it's close to just about everything you will ever need. Don't focus too much on homes close to the squares. After you've been here a while you won't be going to them as often as you think. We are close to many of the well known stores, Costco is going to open probably in about three months. If you play golf then getting a tee times up here is easier then in the southern area. We are also close to the driving ranges too. The hospital is very close as well as many of the emergency sites and various medical offices.
Traffic is lighter up here during the winter months. Your also close to the major entertainment venues, like Savannah Center, The Sharon, Polo Fields, Terra Del Sol blackbox theater, two bowling alleys etc. Most of the homes have new roofs, many updates in the homes as well as landscaping. Almost all of the homes have the bonds paid off or they are very small and will be retired very soon.
If I had to pick two Villages for you to focus on in the northern area they would be Tall Trees and Piedmont. Try if possible to get a Village that has quick access to Buena Vista or Morse. Having a roundabout is great at your exit or a stoplight. Those homes on Morse north of 466 are near impossible to exit from and make a left during the winter months.

[Ruger2506]

We live between Lopez and Glenview. We love this area because it's close to just about everything you will ever need. Don't focus too much on homes close to the squares. After you've been here a while you won't be going to them as often as you think. We are close to many of the well known stores, Costco is going to open probably in about three months. If you play golf then getting a tee times up here is easier then in the southern area. We are also close to the driving ranges too. The hospital is very close as well as many of the emergency sites and various medical offices.
Traffic is lighter up here during the winter months. Your also close to the major entertainment venues, like Savannah Center, The Sharon, Polo Fields, Terra Del Sol blackbox theater, two bowling alleys etc. Most of the homes have new roofs, many updates in the homes as well as landscaping. Almost all of the homes have the bonds paid off or they are very small and will be retired very soon.
If I had to pick two Villages for you to focus on in the northern area they would be Tall Trees and Piedmont. Try if possible to get a Village that has quick access to Buena Vista or Morse. Having a roundabout is great at your exit or a stoplight. Those homes on Morse north of 466 are near impossible to exit from and make a left during the winter months.

I have been experiencing The Villages from the north for the last 9 years when visiting my parents (north of El Camino). I moved to Middleton and drive the southern and often. night and day difference. If I were shopping in The Villages, I'd be shopping in the north end exclusively (north of 466).

[PilotAlan]

Thanks for that.
My main concern is people saying it's hard to make connections in the north, as social groups are already formed, and we'd probably be some of the youngest people around (about 68).

In new construction areas, everyone's moving in at the same time, so it's easier to make new friends.
Also, it looks like they're taking a new direction on amenities, like Harry and the Natives, the lake house and kayaking at Lake Okahumpka, more outdoorsy stuff, more woods. It's going to be interesting!

I have been experiencing The Villages from the north for the last 9 years when visiting my parents (north of El Camino). I moved to Middleton and drive the southern and often. night and day difference. If I were shopping in The Villages, I'd be shopping in the north end exclusively (north of 466).

[JMintzer]

Thanks for that.
My main concern is people saying it's hard to make connections in the north, as social groups are already formed, and we'd probably be some of the youngest people around (about 68).

In new construction areas, everyone's moving in at the same time, so it's easier to make new friends.
Also, it looks like they're taking a new direction on amenities, like Harry and the Natives, the lake house and kayaking at Lake Okahumpka, more outdoorsy stuff, more woods. It's going to be interesting!

Harry and the Natives is NOT an amenity...

It's a private restaurant

And where are these "more woods" you're talking about?...

The new construction is being built on former cattle ranches, with minimal woods...

[Arctic Fox]

Those homes on Morse north of 466 are near impossible to exit from and make a left during the winter months.

A significant number of homes on Morse north of 466 have easy access to San Marino, which has traffic lights at its junction with Morse.

I should certainly recommend choosing a village that does.

[Arctic Fox]

My main concern is people saying it's hard to make connections in the north, as social groups are already formed, and we'd probably be some of the youngest people around (about 68).

Mrs Fox and I moved here when we were 51 and 53 respectively.

The vast majority of our neighbors had been here since the village was built (1997/8) and we were welcomed unreservedly. I suspect, after ten years of the same people, they were glad of some new blood :-)

Since then, there have been many changes of ownership - do remember that an established village is a living entity. At 68, you won't be the youngest for very long.

[Ruger2506]

Thanks for that.
My main concern is people saying it's hard to make connections in the north, as social groups are already formed, and we'd probably be some of the youngest people around (about 68).

In new construction areas, everyone's moving in at the same time, so it's easier to make new friends.
Also, it looks like they're taking a new direction on amenities, like Harry and the Natives, the lake house and kayaking at Lake Okahumpka, more outdoorsy stuff, more woods. It's going to be interesting!

That's valid. That's been my experience in Middleton and I assume the Southern Villages as well. Everyone is a newbie and in a similar situation.

[Lottoguy]

People don’t live forever. The northern area is turning over. I’ve been here ten years and of the 14 homes on our cul-de-sac street we are now #5 in seniority.

[coffeebean]

The prettiest and most convenient areas in TV are between 466 and SR44 in my opinion. I live between 466 and 441 (a little further north) and am very happy here but IF I were to move it would be in that area.
PRIME location, IMHO, is between the 6s: 466 and 466A, the Lake Sumter area.

[asianthree]

PRIME location, IMHO, is between the 6s: 466 and 466A, the Lake Sumter area.

Yet look at the amount of 4sale between the 6’s. Either there’s a bunch of people recently taking a dirt nap, or they’ve moved to go farther south to enjoy a different lifestyle.

Our new village had 30% never lived in TV. The rest like us mostly came from between the 6’s, with a small % from SS, Lopez, areas. My parents are diehard never move from LSL home. Why because they say we’re too Old to move. They would love to live with more woods, walking paths and wildlife, where we are. Instead they just say it’s convenient for us to just stay here.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Thanks for that.
My main concern is people saying it's hard to make connections in the north, as social groups are already formed, and we'd probably be some of the youngest people around (about 68).

In new construction areas, everyone's moving in at the same time, so it's easier to make new friends.
Also, it looks like they're taking a new direction on amenities, like Harry and the Natives, the lake house and kayaking at Lake Okahumpka, more outdoorsy stuff, more woods. It's going to be interesting!

This age thing needs to be retconned from the forums and stripped from youtube. Here's some just super basic logic for ya, in storytelling form:

Once upon a time in the 1970's, a bunch of 55-60-year-olds moved into a trailer park called Orange Blossom. By the time a new place called Spanish Springs was built, Orange Blossom had split into three sections called Orange Blossom, Silver Lake, and Country Club Hills. Those 55-60-year-olds were now 58-63 years old.

Then, new developments went up, heading west, and northwest into Marion County. Those 55-60-year olds were now 61-66 years old.

Over the next 20 years development continued down to 466. Those 55-60-year-olds were now well into their 80's, and some were moving to newer areas so they didn't have to pay so much to maintain 20 year old mobile homes. Some were moving into assisted living, a few into memory care and nursing facilities.

Those newly-vacant homes in the old trailer park were being filled by new homeowners, who were around 55-60. That was in the 90's. Then, in the 2000's, the original 55-60-year-olds who moved in during the 70's were now over 90 years old. MOST of them had moved out, or died. And their homes replaced by a NEW set of 55-60-year-olds.

Fast forward to 2025, and we now have a wide variety of homeowners in the original trailer park, which isn't really a trailer park at all, it's a luxury manufactured home community with acres of well-kept amenities and a country club pool with a jacuzzi and waterfall and full service restaurant and pool-side service as well.

The ages here span the extremes. There are folks well into their 90's, and there are some "children of former owners" in their 40s and 50s. Most people here are over 65, but the oldest of the bunch are in their final years of living independently, and will soon be replaced by another batch of 55-60-year-olds.

If you're 68, then you aren't in the category of "younger" people living here on our side. You're in the "usual and customary" category.

[PilotAlan]

Great perspective. Like any neighborhood, over time the demographics average out.

I can see advantages to everyone moving in together, but it may not be as dramatic as it’s been portrayed.

This age thing needs to be retconned from the forums and stripped from youtube. Here's some just super basic logic for ya, in storytelling form:

Once upon a time in the 1970's, a bunch of 55-60-year-olds moved into a trailer park called Orange Blossom. By the time a new place called Spanish Springs was built, Orange Blossom had split into three sections called Orange Blossom, Silver Lake, and Country Club Hills. Those 55-60-year-olds were now 58-63 years old.

Then, new developments went up, heading west, and northwest into Marion County. Those 55-60-year olds were now 61-66 years old.

Over the next 20 years development continued down to 466. Those 55-60-year-olds were now well into their 80's, and some were moving to newer areas so they didn't have to pay so much to maintain 20 year old mobile homes. Some were moving into assisted living, a few into memory care and nursing facilities.

Those newly-vacant homes in the old trailer park were being filled by new homeowners, who were around 55-60. That was in the 90's. Then, in the 2000's, the original 55-60-year-olds who moved in during the 70's were now over 90 years old. MOST of them had moved out, or died. And their homes replaced by a NEW set of 55-60-year-olds.

Fast forward to 2025, and we now have a wide variety of homeowners in the original trailer park, which isn't really a trailer park at all, it's a luxury manufactured home community with acres of well-kept amenities and a country club pool with a jacuzzi and waterfall and full service restaurant and pool-side service as well.

The ages here span the extremes. There are folks well into their 90's, and there are some "children of former owners" in their 40s and 50s. Most people here are over 65, but the oldest of the bunch are in their final years of living independently, and will soon be replaced by another batch of 55-60-year-olds.

If you're 68, then you aren't in the category of "younger" people living here on our side. You're in the "usual and customary" category.

[Snakster66]

Thanks for that.
My main concern is people saying it's hard to make connections in the north, as social groups are already formed, and we'd probably be some of the youngest people around (about 68).

In new construction areas, everyone's moving in at the same time, so it's easier to make new friends.
Also, it looks like they're taking a new direction on amenities, like Harry and the Natives, the lake house and kayaking at Lake Okahumpka, more outdoorsy stuff, more woods. It's going to be interesting!

I'm 58 and just moved into Winifred just below 466 last September. It feels like a hub to everything we like and/or need and I couldn't imagine being anywhere else. People in the neighborhood are very nice and I believe we were quite the entertainment as we were doing reno on our house. I've found an after work (yep...still work) mens golf group with similar aged guys. My wife has gotten into several groups and has started doing regular water aerobics and has been making friends through that. All areas have something for somebody. For what we enjoy, we have definitely found the right area for us.

[PilotAlan]

PRIME location, IMHO, is between the 6s: 466 and 466A, the Lake Sumter area.
I'm actually looking at 466A, ideally just north of Lake Deaton. LOTS of golf courses, rec centers, amenities, and shopping along 466, easy access to BW and LSL, less easy access to Eastport and Spanish Springs.
Proximity to the lake areas (Okahumpa, Deaton, Denham) and access to both the classic and newer stuff.

But we will look hard at the northern areas as well. I don't want to miss out on some great opportunities due to failing to keep our eyes open.

[Lottoguy]

We rented a house on San Marino for three months before we purchased our home. Many street exit on Morse that do NOT have a stoplight. For that reason many have to take a right turn out of their street because the traffic just won't stop to make a left turn. Lucky for us we had that stoplight and we got out with no problems.

[VApeople]

What's the advantage of living way up north? What are the cons?

North of 44 there are no walking trails.

Yes, people can walk on the multi-modal paths where golf carts are whizzing by, but that is much too dangerous in our opinion.

South of 44, there are many walking trails where golf carts are forbidden.

[JMintzer]

I'm actually looking at 466A, ideally just north of Lake Deaton. LOTS of golf courses, rec centers, amenities, and shopping along 466, easy access to BW and LSL, less easy access to Eastport and Spanish Springs.
Proximity to the lake areas (Okahumpa, Deaton, Denham) and access to both the classic and newer stuff.

But we will look hard at the northern areas as well. I don't want to miss out on some great opportunities due to failing to keep our eyes open.

That's where we are (but a bit closer to 44)...

Easy access to Lake Deaton & Colony Shopping centers, Brownwood and LSL. I take the cart to Belle Glade, Havana, Mallory, Bonifay, Cane Garden, Evans Prarie, Palmer, Lopez and Glenview. Add to that, the multitude of Executive courses near by. All at most 30 minutes or so away. I can take the golf cart to all of those areas, as well as down to Sawgrass and Southern Oaks. I went down to Shallow Creek once in the golf cart. It was a bit of a hike and Tierra del Sol is the same. But I still make the trip with my Wednesday golf group from time to time...

When we venture up to Spanish Springs and LSL, we take the car.

[JMintzer]

North of 44 there are no walking trails.

Yes, people can walk on the multi-modal paths where golf carts are whizzing by, but that is much too dangerous in our opinion.

South of 44, there are many walking trails where golf carts are forbidden.

That is certainly a plus, if walking trails are important to you...

But we've never had an issue walking thru the neighborhood or on the local MMPs...

[JMintzer]

There is no "p" in Sumter.

I'm sure they would have figured that out on their own...

[JMintzer]

Yet look at the amount of 4sale between the 6’s. Either there’s a bunch of people recently taking a dirt nap, or they’ve moved to go farther south to enjoy a different lifestyle.

Our new village had 30% never lived in TV. The rest like us mostly came from between the 6’s, with a small % from SS, Lopez, areas. My parents are diehard never move from LSL home. Why because they say we’re too Old to move. They would love to live with more woods, walking paths and wildlife, where we are. Instead they just say it’s convenient for us to just stay here.

Considering there are many many more home "between the 6's", one would expect to see more homes for sale in that area.

That said, I'm noticing a significant increase in the # of homes for sale below 44...

Some only 3-4 years old... Makes you wonder why...

[Ruger2506]

Considering there are many many more home "between the 6's", one would expect to see more homes for sale in that area.

That said, I'm noticing a significant increase in the # of homes for sale below 44...

Some only 3-4 years old... Makes you wonder why...

Seeing that in Middleton to. 1-2 year old homes up for sale. I think the bond (even though we know about it) and the essentially double taxes are a surprise when they are actually due on paper in your hand. Divorce is an issue as well.

[Taltarzac725]

I recall that the former co-owner, or something like that, of Talk of the Villages, Talk Host, had moved up in the north western part of the Villages and was fairly close to a train tracts. They ran a lot at night.

[PilotAlan]

That's where we are (but a bit closer to 44)...
...
When we venture up to Spanish Springs and LSL, we take the car.
Very helpful!
Question: It seems like it should be a relatively easy shot to LSL. Why the car?

[tophcfa]

Considering there are many many more home "between the 6's", one would expect to see more homes for sale in that area.

That said, I'm noticing a significant increase in the # of homes for sale below 44...

Some only 3-4 years old... Makes you wonder why...

Investor owned properties.

[JMintzer]

Very helpful!
Question: It seems like it should be a relatively easy shot to LSL. Why the car?

Yes, it's an easy shot. I've done it many, many times. But SWMBO would rather take the car, lest the wind in the golf cart "mess up her hair"...;)

[JMintzer]

Investor owned properties.

They have those all over TV...

[Ruger2506]

Investor owned properties.

That's good though, right? Investors sell their holdings and get out of The Villages. Prices drop. All those discounted properties sell. Inventory drops. Prices come back up.

Unless I'm mistaken, The Villages has a little of everything for everyone. New areas to the south. Older better built homes and established neighborhoods with mature trees that don't look like nuclear wastelands to the north. So there should be a buyer for any home anywhere in The Villages according to want and taste.

[coffeebean]

North of 44 there are no walking trails.

Yes, people can walk on the multi-modal paths where golf carts are whizzing by, but that is much too dangerous in our opinion.

South of 44, there are many walking trails where golf carts are forbidden.

The Lake Sumter area has a walking path with a bouncy pavement (great for the joints) that starts at Lake Miona rec center. No pets, allowed. This path is for pedestrians only.

[asianthree]

That's good though, right? Investors sell their holdings and get out of The Villages. Prices drop. All those discounted properties sell. Inventory drops. Prices come back up.

Unless I'm mistaken, The Villages has a little of everything for everyone. New areas to the south. Older better built homes and established neighborhoods with mature trees that don't look like nuclear wastelands to the north. So there should be a buyer for any home anywhere in The Villages according to want and taste.

Most investors in TV have been buying and selling home longer than our 15 years of experience. You will meet some who buy new sell every two years, adding to their retirement portfolio. Those who bought in 2021 with that super mortgage % are waiting. Our last buy was 2022, sitting for awhile, however our model choice, village and view doesn’t sit on market long.

One warning those mature trees will totally destroy your house, when they fall, even large branches are destructive. Once you have a tree fall on your house, you find those mature trees frightening. Especially when you watch as that tree falls on your house.

[Ruger2506]

One warning those mature trees will totally destroy your house, when they fall, even large branches are destructive. Once you have a tree fall on your house, you find those mature trees frightening. Especially when you watch as that tree falls on your house.

That must be a city person thing. Been a deep woods country boy my whole life. Had multiple massive trees all around all my homes, including my current Canadian Border property. Never an issue other than some branches once in a while. I recall listening to a radio podcast once and this city chick was talking about how trees scare her due to lightening and falling. I was thinking, "WTF?"

Had a big oak take out the lanai and fence at my parent's place on the north end. Nobody was scared. The only "ah, $hit" and sadness was the loss of the tree. Not the lanai or fence. That's what insurance is for.

I miss it, the south villages is ugly if you ask me.

I even brought my chainsaw with me. You never know.

[patfla06]

i have been looking at 466a, as there's a very high concentration of golf courses, easy access to sumpter and brownwood, and not bad to get to eastport.

But again, i'm seeing some really pretty neighborhoods with bigger lots, no bond, etc. Up around nancy lopez. Seems like there's good local amenities, but a long way to squares and such.

I see disadvantages, but just want perspective from folks that live up there. There are probably advantages that aren't apparent if you don't live there.

sumter.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The Lake Sumter area has a walking path with a bouncy pavement (great for the joints) that starts at Lake Miona rec center. No pets, allowed. This path is for pedestrians only.

The Historic Side also has pedestrian-only bouncy pavement sidewalky paths, at Paradise Park. It starts at the postal station, goes around the bocci/shuffleboard court, then crosses the street at the Wales gate to the exercise park with the track and outdoor equipment, then crosses again near the archery range and around the dog park and under the golf cart bridge, then across the other side of that bridge at the edge of the lake, and connects back to the MMP that runs parallel to 441.

[opinionist]

Pro: If you like to snow ski, up north is the place to be.
Con: If you hate the ice and snow, Florida is the place to be.

[PilotAlan]

SWMBO would rather take the car, lest the wind in the golf cart "mess up her hair"...;)
Ahh, understood! The two most important words after “I do” are “Yes dear”.

[tophcfa]

Yes, it's an easy shot. I've done it many, many times. But SWMBO would rather take the car, lest the wind in the golf cart "mess up her hair"...;)

Nice being a guy, not much hair left to worry about, and when the little remaining hair gets unruly we have that “who gives a crap” kind of attitude anyways.