Turnabout rant

[BPRICE1234]

Being fairly new, I didn't know that roundabouts are the perfect place to attempt to pass someone. Entering the roundabouts at 25mph wasn't fast enough for the old brown Lexus so he decided to try and pass. Now, I see why road rage is all the rage in TV. IMHO.

Update
We were both in the left lane, he was behind me. Another car was in the right lane and was much slower. All 3 cars went straight or 2nd exit. As soon as the slower car slowed more the car behind me floored it to cut them off, get on my bumper and in a matter of 1 exit passed me. I was doing 20-25mph which I consider a very tolerable speed. Some people are simply jerks I guess. Luckily I caught him at Meggison and 44 and just smiled.

[Bill14564]

Being fairly new, I didn't know that turnabouts are the perfect place to attempt to pass someone. Entering the turnabout at 25mph wasn't fast enough for the old brown Lexus so he decided to try and pass. Now, I see why road rage is all the rage in TV. IMHO.

I assume you mean roundabout.

Did he do anything more egregious than exit the roundabout before you, did he take an improper exit or prevent you from taking a valid exit?

[Stu from NYC]

We need a demolition derby

[bagboy]

So, now you know...

[fdpaq0580]

I assume you mean roundabout.

Did he do anything more egregious than exit the roundabout before you, did he take an improper exit or prevent you from taking a valid exit?


Speeding counts. Passing in a roundabout is unnecessary and is aggressive/dangerous. That counts.
Everyday I see folks, speeding, zigzagging through traffic, tailgating, running stop signs and traffic lights, etc. When one ignores traffic laws, safety signs, drives erratically and aggressivly trying to get ahead of one car or make the stale light, they are not showing what a great driver they are. They are proving what a jerk they are, arrogant and self important, with no regard for others.
I know some of those folks and, sadly, they are totally clueless. In their mind, the are never at fault. It's always the other people.

[fdpaq0580]

We need a demolition derby

We already have one and it's nation wide. Folks just haven't figured it out yet.

[Bill14564]

Speeding counts. Passing in a roundabout is unnecessary and is aggressive/dangerous. That counts.
Everyday I see folks, speeding, zigzagging through traffic, tailgating, running stop signs and traffic lights, etc. When one ignores traffic laws, safety signs, drives erratically and aggressivly trying to get ahead of one car or make the stale light, they are not showing what a great driver they are. They are proving what a jerk they are, arrogant and self important, with no regard for others.
I know some of those folks and, sadly, they are totally clueless. In their mind, the are never at fault. It's always the other people.

So the short answer is no, he did nothing more than exit first?

[BPRICE1234]

I assume you mean roundabout.

Did he do anything more egregious than exit the roundabout before you, did he take an improper exit or prevent you from taking a valid exit?
He was behind me in the left lane, he sped up and went into the right lane and floored it. I guess he needed to be first to the Morse bypass. Ps. I wasn't going slow.

[fdpaq0580]

So the short answer is no, he did nothing more than exit first?

It isn't you. It's them. 😉

[jimhoward]

It’s hard to get the full picture from the short description. Was the speeder already in the roundabout, albeit in the left lane, when the OP entered the roundabout? Or did they both enter together at the same entry.

[CarlR33]

If it makes you feel better we were behind a vehicle on Meggison in broad daylight that refused to pass the golf carts running in the diamond lane in front of them. First I ever saw that one. To comment on your concern, I am curious what time of day this happened? Between 4 and 5 pm it’s like everyone is trying to get home from work and multiple times I have see stuff like you describe??

[Snakster66]

I assume you mean roundabout?

I hope so. Because as everyone knows, turnabouts are fair play.

[fdpaq0580]

I hope so. Because as everyone knows, turnabouts are fair play.

Well said! 😄😆😂

[VApeople]

Don't expect people to drive in a way that suits you. They are going to drive in a manner that suits them.

If you want to live here without going nuts, you will have to find a driving style that suits you.

We have lived here 9 years and we love driving around here.

[USOTR]

Just another example of speed and other traffic laws for both vehicle and village karts needs to be enforced.

[Ignatz]

He was behind me in the left lane, he sped up and went into the right lane and floored it. I guess he needed to be first to the Morse bypass. Ps. I wasn't going slow.

Can’t wait to read the upcoming thread where someone will be complaining about the left lane hogs on Morse and how they had to pass them on the right. lol

[jimkerr]

People drive way too slow here. It causes others to drive like maniacs.

[Davonu]

Any place in the country, any type of roadway, there will be mostly good drivers and a few bad. Just drive safely and stay alert for those bad ones.

[golfing eagles]

Speeding counts. Passing in a roundabout is unnecessary and is aggressive/dangerous. That counts.
Everyday I see folks, speeding, zigzagging through traffic, tailgating, running stop signs and traffic lights, etc. When one ignores traffic laws, safety signs, drives erratically and aggressivly trying to get ahead of one car or make the stale light, they are not showing what a great driver they are. They are proving what a jerk they are, arrogant and self important, with no regard for others.
I know some of those folks and, sadly, they are totally clueless. In their mind, the are never at fault. It's always the other people.

98% agree with you. However---ever come up on someone going 3 mph in a RB??? How about the idiots who come to a complete stop??? I will find a way to SAFELY pass them, RB or elsewhere. Yes, I might even cross a solid white line in a RB to do so---too effing bad.

[Mrmean58]

Speeding counts. Passing in a roundabout is unnecessary and is aggressive/dangerous. That counts.
Everyday I see folks, speeding, zigzagging through traffic, tailgating, running stop signs and traffic lights, etc. When one ignores traffic laws, safety signs, drives erratically and aggressivly trying to get ahead of one car or make the stale light, they are not showing what a great driver they are. They are proving what a jerk they are, arrogant and self important, with no regard for others.
I know some of those folks and, sadly, they are totally clueless. In their mind, the are never at fault. It's always the other people.

I agree that in most cases passing in a round about is unnecessary and can be dangerous. But so is driving 10 mph or slower or coming to a complete stop to wave another driver to enter the round about. If someone cannot safely maintain the proper speed in a round about, they should strongly consider giving up driving. All the driving infractions you list are the reasons the state of Florida are considering being back the law which will require periodic driving road tests for seniors when they reach a certain age. No more auto renewals of driver's license.

[kendi]

People drive way too slow here. It causes others to drive like maniacs.

Driving slower is a good practice as one ages. So is patience with the way others drive.

[bark4me]

Speeding counts. Passing in a roundabout is unnecessary and is aggressive/dangerous. That counts.
Everyday I see folks, speeding, zigzagging through traffic, tailgating, running stop signs and traffic lights, etc. When one ignores traffic laws, safety signs, drives erratically and aggressivly trying to get ahead of one car or make the stale light, they are not showing what a great driver they are. They are proving what a jerk they are, arrogant and self important, with no regard for others.
I know some of those folks and, sadly, they are totally clueless. In their mind, the are never at fault. It's always the other people.
Will only increase as the population increases.

[Nell57]

You’ll see everything here.
When I go out I just assume the driver near me is getting ready to do something really stupid. They don’t disappoint…..and it’s much worse in snowbird season.
After you’ve been here long enough you realize it’s just how life rolls. Drive defensively and keep on smiling.

[Cuervo]

The other day on my way to Publix I follow a car into the center lane at the traffic circle on Morse Blvd. from Pinellas Pl. When the car reached the second exit Moyer Loop it slowly shifted to the outside lane as if to exit. I almost had to come to a complete stop. Then was surprised they did not exit and also did not take the exit North on Morse Blvd but slowed down, this time I had to come to a complete stop because the car was blocking my exit. It’s one thing to understand the basic rules of the traffic circle, but what can you do with people who don’t know where they are going. Accident waiting to happen.

[gorillarick]

Several examples of defending lousy, inconsiderate, and dangerous behavior here.

example: "People drive way too slow here. It causes others to drive like maniacs."
No you drive like a maniac because you want to. You feel the need on the way to Walmart? Really.

You moved to a retirement community. huumpt
But you resent old people just trying to get there safely.
And you defend people speeding, tailgating, and weaving thru traffic? huumpt

Just this week I was in two pretty bad traffic backups locally. I wonder if reckless driving had anything to do with it?
Or, maybe a senior driver on the way to a doctor's appointment unnerved by a reckless driver driving like a maniac?

[rsmurano]

Speed has nothing to do with it. The worst drivers are the ones that stop before entering before the roundabout when there are no cars in sight for blocks, want to go 5mph around the roundabout, and then people that are in the right lane in a roundabout that have their left blinker on so they can make the 3rd exit, so the blinker is supposed to make the 3rd exit right when it’s against the law.
I pass many people in the left lane in a roundabout because I don’t stop if I don’t see any cars nearby, and I go the speed limit.
Also, you wouldn’t have people going in and out in traffic if the slow drivers would drive in the slow lane, but they don’t and that’s where you have problems. If you drive in Germany, hear slow drivers in the left lane would get a ticket, the Germans know that slow drivers are the problem, not the speeders. Another example in Germany, if you are going 150mph in the left lane on the autobahn, and you see a car coming behind you, you must pull over to the middle or right lane. If you don’t you get a ticket. If you pass on the right, both the driver in the left lane and the passer get tickets, and if somebody flashes their brights on the car in front of them, the slow driver gets a ticket. And Germany is safer to drive at 200mph than we are here in a 20mph roundabout

[kkingston57]

Being fairly new, I didn't know that turnabouts are the perfect place to attempt to pass someone. Entering the turnabout at 25mph wasn't fast enough for the old brown Lexus so he decided to try and pass. Now, I see why road rage is all the rage in TV. IMHO.

Lived in TV 5 years. Have never seen anyone going this fast in a roundabout. In order to correctly enter a roundabout is like coming across a yield sign.

[srswans]

I don’t understand. You were going fast and you’re angry that someone was able to pass you? In a roundabout no less.

I’m not sure what the problem is here. Ego?


Being fairly new, I didn't know that turnabouts are the perfect place to attempt to pass someone. Entering the turnabout at 25mph wasn't fast enough for the old brown Lexus so he decided to try and pass. Now, I see why road rage is all the rage in TV. IMHO.

[CybrSage]

There are two kinds of whiners wet driving, those who say others are way too fast and those who say others are way to slow.
Neither driving slowly nor quickly is safe to do with others around.

It is fun to read how angry both types get. Stress and anger shorten lifespans, removing both types from the road sooner. It is a win-win. :)

[Bill14564]

Several examples of defending lousy, inconsiderate, and dangerous behavior here.

example: "People drive way too slow here. It causes others to drive like maniacs."
No you drive like a maniac because you want to. You feel the need on the way to Walmart? Really.

You moved to a retirement community. huumpt
But you resent old people just trying to get there safely.
And you defend people speeding, tailgating, and weaving thru traffic? huumpt

Just this week I was in two pretty bad traffic backups locally. I wonder if reckless driving had anything to do with it?
Or, maybe a senior driver on the way to a doctor's appointment unnerved by a reckless driver driving like a maniac?

And a perfect example of defining lousy, inconsiderate, and dangerous behavior above.

Paraphrasing:
- If you're not driving the way *I* drive then you're a lousy driver
- If you're driving faster than me then you're a dangerous driver
- If you're changing lanes to pass me then you're an inconsiderate driver

Many causes for traffic backups. I'm surprised such an attentive driver would not have noticed the cause for the backup as they progressed through it.

I've seen backups recently due to heavy traffic at the 44/Morse intersection - no reckless driving caused that.

I saw a backup earlier this wee due to the traffic signal being out at the 44/Morse intersection - no reckless driving caused that.

I've seen backups recently due to very considerate drivers stopping at the entry to a roundabout and waiting not only until there was no traffic approaching but until there was no traffic in sight - ??? Was that a case of reckless driving manifested as overly-considerate driving??

[CybrSage]

Being fairly new, I didn't know that turnabouts are the perfect place to attempt to pass someone. Entering the turnabout at 25mph wasn't fast enough for the old brown Lexus so he decided to try and pass. Now, I see why road rage is all the rage in TV. IMHO.

Would you be this angry if the Lexus was White instead of being Brown?
Asking for a friend.

[MicRoDrafting]

I will forever Blame the
“Fast and Furious” franchise for
Extreme Increase in Road Rage.

Primarily, the Excessive Speeding,
Tailgating, and Ridiculous Zigzagging
by the fellas in Souped Up Little Go-Cart Vehicles with the Overbearing Loud Mufflers - that actually help us acknowledge their [dangerous] presence on the roads.

THINKING;
where else would these folks get the Crazy idea that driving Extremely Erratically on the Roadways like they are in some sort of Action Movie come from ??

[Decadeofdave]

I love the people that honk when it wasn't even close.
Fake outrage!

[Regorp]

Being fairly new, I didn't know that turnabouts are the perfect place to attempt to pass someone. Entering the turnabout at 25mph wasn't fast enough for the old brown Lexus so he decided to try and pass. Now, I see why road rage is all the rage in TV. IMHO.
Signal lights are in the vehicle for a reason - USE THEM!!

[Peachbelle]

If you notice before you enter a roundabout there is a diagram street sign on what to do. Let's review; if you enter from the right lane you can ONLY take the 1 or 2nd exit! NOT THE 3RD! If you take the 3rd exit and cause an accident its YOUR FAULT!
To use the 3RD EXIT YOU MUST ENTER FROM THE LEFT LANE! LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM BEFORE ENTERING PEOPLE IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO OBEY TRAFFIC SIGNS OR YOU WILL BE AT FAULT!

[nn0wheremann]

Never pass or overtake anyone in a roundabout. The vehicle ahead of you has full unfettered right of way to do anything, or turn in any direction. Also, that speed limit of 20 mph is there for a reason. You cannot see around the island, and there may be men working around the bend. Hit one, and you might spend the rest of your life seeing him on a billboard lawyer’s advertising, while you serve your sentence for vehicular homicide .

[Bill14564]

Never pass or overtake anyone in a roundabout. The vehicle ahead of you has full unfettered right of way to do anything, or turn in any direction. Also, that speed limit of 20 mph is there for a reason. You cannot see around the island, and there may be men working around the bend. Hit one, and you might spend the rest of your life seeing him on a billboard lawyer’s advertising, while you serve your sentence for vehicular homicide .

A bit extreme, don't you think?

The vehicle ahead of you DOES NOT have full, unfettered right of way to do anything, or turn in any direction. Some believe they do but they are wrong.

Notwithstanding the number and length of these threads, the rules of the roundabouts are very simple and are marked at every entrance to every roundabout in the Villages. Learn them, follow them, have a safe drive.

I have never seen workers in a roundabout without a plethora of orange cones and signs and usually a truck. If you are so distracted that you don't see all of that then an admonishment here on ToTV is not going to help.

[MrFlorida]

Being fairly new, I didn't know that turnabouts are the perfect place to attempt to pass someone. Entering the turnabout at 25mph wasn't fast enough for the old brown Lexus so he decided to try and pass. Now, I see why road rage is all the rage in TV. IMHO.

It gets better starting in April.

[georgefloto]

Totally agree

[Tyson]

Since your new, DONT EVER GO AROUND A ROUNDABOUT FROM THE RIGHT LANE. Say that 20 times.

[Arctic Fox]

Negotiating a roundabout is something to be taken considerately and responsibly.

While we may be fully cognisant of how to do so, many others are not.

We may find another roundabout-user going slow annoying, but is it really worth risking an accident to save a few seconds?

A roundabout is one place where we should definitely "go with the flow".

[FredMitchell]

My thought was that the initial post was satirical. But, I also thought that someone that clever would not write "try to...", not "try and...". I am still leaning toward satire.

Does anyone else think it was satirical?

[fdpaq0580]

My thought was that the initial post was satirical. But, I also thought that someone that clever would not write "try to...", not "try and...". I am still leaning toward satire.

Does anyone else think it was satirical?

No.

[fdpaq0580]

98% agree with you. However---ever come up on someone going 3 mph in a RB??? How about the idiots who come to a complete stop??? I will find a way to SAFELY pass them, RB or elsewhere. Yes, I might even cross a solid white line in a RB to do so---too effing bad.

I don't know about 3 mph, but I have seen slow and stopped. There is usually a good reason for it that I can't see from my vantage point. Usually, they are driving as needed to avoid an accident. Caution! SAFETY FIRST!

[fdpaq0580]

Negotiating a roundabout is something to be taken considerately and responsibly.

While we may be fully cognisant of how to do so, many others are not.

We may find another roundabout-user going slow annoying, but is it really worth risking an accident to save a few seconds?

A roundabout is one place where we should definitely "go with the flow".

Very well stated.

[fdpaq0580]

If you notice before you enter a roundabout there is a diagram street sign on what to do. Let's review; if you enter from the right lane you can ONLY take the 1 or 2nd exit! NOT THE 3RD! If you take the 3rd exit and cause an accident its YOUR FAULT!
To use the 3RD EXIT YOU MUST ENTER FROM THE LEFT LANE! LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM BEFORE ENTERING PEOPLE IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO OBEY TRAFFIC SIGNS OR YOU WILL BE AT FAULT!

Reminders are always welcome. Thank you!

[fdpaq0580]

I love the people that honk when it wasn't even close.
Fake outrage!

Must have seemed worse from their perspective. In future, may I suggest you allow more room and use your turn indicator to advise them of your intention before you make your move. Then, everyone can have a nice day. 😀

[fdpaq0580]

A bit of an assumption there.

How about people drive right and mind their own business? If I'm not improperly impeding you then give it a break! If you believe you have the right to impede me (lane sheriffing, being extra cautious, being extra considerate, STOPPING IN A ROUNDABOUT), you're wrong, that's illegal, and you need to get off the road. THEN everyone can have a nice day.

Under Normal circumstances stopping in a roundabout and on the interstate would be illegal. But, to stop to avoid colliding with another vehicle is certainly advisable. Unless, of course, you are recommending endless pile-ups, injuries and death?
As for minding my business, anyone who drives in a manner that endangered me or others, ignores laws a safety, or minds my business, has made it my business. Maybe, instead of telling me or others with safety concern to get off the road, those who display distain for laws and safety, courtesy and patience need to get off the road so everyone truly can have a nice, safe and relaxing day.

[Vickim]

Being fairly new, I didn't know that roundabouts are the perfect place to attempt to pass someone. Entering the roundabouts at 25mph wasn't fast enough for the old brown Lexus so he decided to try and pass. Now, I see why road rage is all the rage in TV. IMHO.

Update
We were both in the left lane, he was behind me. Another car was in the right lane and was much slower. All 3 cars went straight or 2nd exit. As soon as the slower car slowed more the car behind me floored it to cut them off, get on my bumper and in a matter of 1 exit passed me. I was doing 20-25mph which I consider a very tolerable speed. Some people are simply jerks I guess. Luckily I caught him at Meggison and 44 and just smiled.

I don’t know about all this! But, in what world do you make a left turn from a right lane ? People that continue in the roundabouts to the third exit crossing the “broken line” that is broken for people entering the roundabout !cutting people off ! really need to look at the diagram on how you exit a roundabout ! Have had too many close calls! enough to know NEVER be right beside another car in them !

[mciboroTamarindo]

C'mon
lets just say it.
Speed limits, stop signs, red lights.. they do not apply here in TV.
the double lane roundabouts are a problem. Stop asking who has the right of way.

[JMintzer]

Another "This one time at Band (Round-a-Bout) Camp" thread...

[fdpaq0580]

I don’t know about all this! But, in what world do you make a left turn from a right lane ? People that continue in the roundabouts to the third exit crossing the “broken line” that is broken for people entering the roundabout !cutting people off ! really need to look at the diagram on how you exit a roundabout ! Have had too many close calls! enough to know NEVER be right beside another car in them !

Let us try to make sense of the RB.
Imagine a standard 4 lane intersection. Right lane goes right or straight. Left lane goes straight or turns left.
To make the left turn requires that turner cross both lanes of opposing traffic. This positions the turning vehicle at right angle to cross both lanes.
BUT, in a round about variation of that intersection.right goes as before, right exit or straight on.
BUT, left lane straight on is as before. The trouble is when you want to exit "left" or exit 3.
If you continue around until you reach exit 3, you now have to cross from lane 1, across lane 2 to get to exit 3. There may already be traffic that pushed in behind or alongside in lane 1. Dangerous situation. Continue around and try again.
Option. Where lane 1 would normally go straight on, before exiting, it has to cross lane 2. The broken line allows a left into lane 1. Using signal warns oncoming drivers not yet in the RB that you will be passing in front and they should yield so you can exit. You will be making a right turn now from lane 1, and not playing frogger to get to exit 3, your exit 3.
Whatever you do, always be careful and aware of the traffic around you. Stay safe

[Bogie Shooter]

[QUOTE=fdpaq0580;2415916]Let us try to make sense of the RB.
Imagine a standard 4 lane intersection. Right lane goes right or straight. Left lane goes straight or turns left.
To make the left turn requires that turner cross both lanes of opposing traffic. This positions the turning vehicle at right angle to cross both lanes.
BUT, in a round about variation of that intersection.right goes as before, right exit or straight on.
BUT, left lane straight on is as before. The trouble is when you want to exit "left" or exit 3.
If you continue around until you reach exit 3, you now have to cross from lane 1, across lane 2 to get to exit 3. There may already be traffic that pushed in behind or alongside in lane 1. Dangerous situation. Continue around and try again.
Option. Where lane 1 would normally go straight on, before exiting, it has to cross lane 2. The broken line allows a left into lane 1. Using signal warns oncoming drivers not yet in the RB that you will be passing in front and they should yield so you can exit. You will be making a right turn now from lane 1, and not playing frogger to get to exit 3, your exit 3.
Whatever you do, always be careful and aware of the traffic around you. Stay safe


And you expect who, to understand this…….:oops:

[Bill14564]

And you expect who, to understand this…….:oops:

Oh, I think I understand it. He is yet again recommending that drivers change lanes while in the roundabout. Dangerous and wrong but he is insistent.

[fdpaq0580]

[QUOTE=fdpaq0580;2415916]Let us try to make sense of the RB.
Imagine a standard 4 lane intersection. Right lane goes right or straight. Left lane goes straight or turns left.
To make the left turn requires that turner cross both lanes of opposing traffic. This positions the turning vehicle at right angle to cross both lanes.
BUT, in a round about variation of that intersection.right goes as before, right exit or straight on.
BUT, left lane straight on is as before. The trouble is when you want to exit "left" or exit 3.
If you continue around until you reach exit 3, you now have to cross from lane 1, across lane 2 to get to exit 3. There may already be traffic that pushed in behind or alongside in lane 1. Dangerous situation. Continue around and try again.
Option. Where lane 1 would normally go straight on, before exiting, it has to cross lane 2. The broken line allows a left into lane 1. Using signal warns oncoming drivers not yet in the RB that you will be passing in front and they should yield so you can exit. You will be making a right turn now from lane 1, and not playing frogger to get to exit 3, your exit 3.
Whatever you do, always be careful and aware of the traffic around you. Stay safe


And you expect who, to understand this…….:oops:

Not you. Unfortunately I don't know how to draw in the reply area. That would have made it simple ... like me. 🤓
Just remember to be safe, careful and kind. You'll be fine.
😉

[fdpaq0580]

Oh, I think I understand it. He is yet again recommending that drivers change lanes while in the roundabout. Dangerous and wrong but he is insistent.

If you enter the RB from lane 1 road, how do you reach center lane in the RB without going thru/transitioning thru RB lane 2, the outer lane? Magic?
Once in RB lane 1, the inner lane, how can you exit at 2nd or 3rd exit without going thru/transitioning thru RB lane 1. Can't be done unless you can fly.
All I am sugesting is to prepare for and begin the first part of the transition, crossing the broken line that gets you into lane 2 before reaching entering traffic, making your exit smoother, simpler and safer for all.

[Bill14564]

If you enter the RB from lane 1 road, how do you reach center lane in the RB without going thru/transitioning thru RB lane 2, the outer lane? Magic?
Once in RB lane 1, the inner lane, how can you exit at 2nd or 3rd exit without going thru/transitioning thru RB lane 1. Can't be done unless you can fly.
All I am sugesting is to prepare for and begin the first part of the transition, crossing the broken line that gets you into lane 2 before reaching entering traffic, making your exit smoother, simpler and safer for all.

I believe your “safer for all” is the near accident described by OBB in another thread.

Safer for all would be following the signs, the recommendations, and the logic that all say DO NOT CHANGE LANES WHILE IN A ROUNDABOUT.

[fdpaq0580]

DO NOT CHANGE LANES WHILE IN A ROUNDABOUT.

Can't be done if you use the center lane. Two words: I'm possible.
One can not get into lane 1 without traveling at least some distance in lane 2.
One can not exit the RB from lane 1 without traveling at least some distance in lane 2.
Guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

[Bill14564]

Can't be done if you use the center lane. Two words: I'm possible.
One can not get into lane 1 without traveling at least some distance in lane 2.
One can not exit the RB from lane 1 without traveling at least some distance in lane 2.
Guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

“I’m possible” is three words and makes absolutely no sense in context.

You *might* argue that you need to cross the oncoming lane in order to turn left (take the third exit), which is exactly why the signs and recommendations are what they are, but you don’t have to travel in that lane to cross it, (yes, of course your tires are on the pavement of the lane as you cross it but you do not travel in the same direction that vehicles which are actually *in* that lane travel)

[fdpaq0580]

“I’m possible” is three words and makes absolutely no sense in context.

You *might* argue that you need to cross the oncoming lane in order to turn left (take the third exit), which is exactly why the signs and recommendations are what they are, but you don’t have to travel in that lane to cross it, (yes, of course your tires are on the pavement of the lane as you cross it but you do not travel in the same direction that vehicles which are actually *in* that lane travel)

First. I hope you are getting to see the lunar eclipse.
Second. My bad. It was supposed to be im possible. Not I'm. Bad attempt at an old joke. Auto correct strikes again.
Now, if you turn your car to exit, it does not instantly adopt a 90 degree position across lane 2. It is lane change. A kind of "swooping" lane change that allows you to reach lane 1 or 2 of the exit. Ever see eager beaver in lane 2 of an entrance punch it when he thinks the car in RB lane 1 is continuing on. Only to be totally shutdown when the driver in the center of the RB turns right to exit. I see it all the time. And both parties are PO'd feeling the other was to blame. Hotrod eager beaver vs last second Lou. Scary!

[golfing eagles]

I don't know about 3 mph, but I have seen slow and stopped. There is usually a good reason for it that I can't see from my vantage point. Usually, they are driving as needed to avoid an accident. Caution! SAFETY FIRST!

Let's see--in 11 years here I've seen very slow and stopped in a RB over a hundred times or more, and maybe once or twice for an accident--so I dispute "usually". "Usually", they are someone who can't see over their steering wheel, were born during Andrew Jackson's second term, and needed to turn their license in 15 years ago.

[MicRoDrafting]

TOTALLY AGREE with
“the Worse Drivers STOP …”

See this Situation Constantly at the West End of El Camino Real where it meets Buena Vista Blvd, where it backs up at least a 1/2 dozen Vehicles in Both Lanes in the afternoon !!

This is Besides Constantly Witnessing Vehicles Coming to a ‘COMPLETE STOP’ at a YIELD SIGN even though NOBODY is in the Roundabout or Simply Entering from the Northbound Side of Buena Vista !!

Please Correct me
IF I am Wrong, but

I was taught that “YIELD” simply
means “ Proceed with Caution”

In Other Words,
Break Out of ‘Tunnel Vision’ Mode and
LQQK to the LEFT as you APPROACH …

… same Exact Method as when
using a typical “Merging Lane”

[golfing eagles]

TOTALLY AGREE with
“the Worse Drivers STOP …”

See this Situation Constantly at the West End of El Camino Real where it meets Buena Vista Blvd, where it backs up at least a 1/2 dozen Vehicles in Both Lanes in the afternoon !!

This is Besides Constantly Witnessing Vehicles Coming to a ‘COMPLETE STOP’ at a YIELD SIGN even though NOBODY is in the Roundabout or Simply Entering from the Northbound Side of Buena Vista !!

Please Correct me
IF I am Wrong, but

I was taught that “YIELD” simply
means “ Proceed with Caution”

In Other Words,
Break Out of ‘Tunnel Vision’ Mode and
LQQK to the LEFT as you APPROACH …

… same Exact Method as when
using a typical “Merging Lane”

Happens all the time, drivers confused as to the meaning of yield. It's similar to the cyclists who think "stop" and "yield" have no meaning whatsoever. I think all drivers in TV should be required to drive on Long Island for 3 months---the few that survive can move back here :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Grinchie]

Let us try to make sense of the RB.
Imagine a standard 4 lane intersection. Right lane goes right or straight. Left lane goes straight or turns left.
To make the left turn requires that turner cross both lanes of opposing traffic. This positions the turning vehicle at right angle to cross both lanes.
BUT, in a round about variation of that intersection.right goes as before, right exit or straight on.
BUT, left lane straight on is as before. The trouble is when you want to exit "left" or exit 3.
If you continue around until you reach exit 3, you now have to cross from lane 1, across lane 2 to get to exit 3. There may already be traffic that pushed in behind or alongside in lane 1. Dangerous situation. Continue around and try again.
Option. Where lane 1 would normally go straight on, before exiting, it has to cross lane 2. The broken line allows a left into lane 1. Using signal warns oncoming drivers not yet in the RB that you will be passing in front and they should yield so you can exit. You will be making a right turn now from lane 1, and not playing frogger to get to exit 3, your exit 3.
Whatever you do, always be careful and aware of the traffic around you. Stay safe

In England, the RABs were
always single lanes. Would it be practicable to have single lanes here ? It would, at least, stop most RAB accidents. Do we need double lanes ?

[fdpaq0580]

TOTALLY AGREE with
“the Worse Drivers STOP …”

See this Situation Constantly at the West End of El Camino Real where it meets Buena Vista Blvd, where it backs up at least a 1/2 dozen Vehicles in Both Lanes in the afternoon !!

This is Besides Constantly Witnessing Vehicles Coming to a ‘COMPLETE STOP’ at a YIELD SIGN even though NOBODY is in the Roundabout or Simply Entering from the Northbound Side of Buena Vista !!

Please Correct me
IF I am Wrong, but

I was taught that “YIELD” simply
means “ Proceed with Caution”

In Other Words,
Break Out of ‘Tunnel Vision’ Mode and
LQQK to the LEFT as you APPROACH …

… same Exact Method as when
using a typical “Merging Lane”

The worst drivers don't stop. They have collisions.

"Poceed with caution" is a different sign used when a road may be rough or damaged but is still passable if you are very careful.
"YIELD" means you do not have the right of way and must give way to others, slowing down or stopping, if necessary, until it is safe for you to proceed. It means you can't impeed drivers already in the RB.
In the days of Olde, when knights were bold, "I yield" meant "I give up", and they dropped their sword and stopped fighting.

[fdpaq0580]

In England, the RABs were
always single lanes. Would it be practicable to have single lanes here ? It would, at least, stop most RAB accidents. Do we need double lanes ?

Sadly, people here see driving as a competition. Trying to get folks to be fair in sharing the road is difficult. Everyone thinks they should go first, wedge out the other drivers so the person who should be next is forced to give way to the pushy ones. Rather than moving things smoothly, single lane RBs would cause backups and even more frustration.

[golfing eagles]

Sadly, people here see driving as a competition. Trying to get folks to be fair in sharing the road is difficult. Everyone thinks they should go first, wedge out the other drivers so the person who should be next is forced to give way to the pushy ones. Rather than moving things smoothly, single lane RBs would cause backups and even more frustration.

But more importantly, a single lane RB would mean that the 2 lanes of BV, Morse, Meggison and others would have to merge into one lane prior to the RB——talk about backups as well as the “me first” merging mentality you mentioned