No property taxes for Floridians?!

[SoCalGal]

Lawmakers in Pennsylvania and Florida are contemplating the elimination of property taxes, igniting a debate on the fairness of taxing owned property. Critics argue that property taxes are essentially a form of rent to the government, with many advocating for their complete abolition. While some propose exemptions for seniors, others argue against special tax breaks for any group, including seniors, due to their perceived financial stability. Alternatives like increasing local sales taxes have been suggested to replace the revenue lost from property taxes. This discussion reflects a broader reevaluation of tax systems in the U.S., focusing on the principles of ownership and taxation.

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[Kelevision]

Lawmakers in Pennsylvania and Florida are contemplating the elimination of property taxes, igniting a debate on the fairness of taxing owned property. Critics argue that property taxes are essentially a form of rent to the government, with many advocating for their complete abolition. While some propose exemptions for seniors, others argue against special tax breaks for any group, including seniors, due to their perceived financial stability. Alternatives like increasing local sales taxes have been suggested to replace the revenue lost from property taxes. This discussion reflects a broader reevaluation of tax systems in the U.S., focusing on the principles of ownership and taxation.

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I left that platform once the name changed from twitter and I lost my checkmark. Lol. But the reality is…. In a densely populated state like Florida, if policymakers wanted to eliminate property taxes, they would need to raise $43 billion (or $2,015 per capita) to maintain public services currently funded with property tax revenue. (See Figure 1.)[15] Moreover, in states that prohibit different types of taxation (e.g., nine states do not collect personal income taxes, including Florida), designing an equitable and balanced tax system is difficult. In Florida, eliminating property taxes would not only erode local fiscal autonomy — it would also exacerbate the state’s reliance on sales taxes, which disproportionately overburden families and workers with low to moderate income…

[CoachKandSportsguy]

I left that platform once the name changed from twitter and I lost my checkmark. Lol. But the reality is…. In a densely populated state like Florida, if policymakers wanted to eliminate property taxes, they would need to raise $43 billion (or $2,015 per capita) to maintain public services currently funded with property tax revenue. (See Figure 1.)[15] Moreover, in states that prohibit different types of taxation (e.g., nine states do not collect personal income taxes, including Florida), designing an equitable and balanced tax system is difficult. In Florida, eliminating property taxes would not only erode local fiscal autonomy — it would also exacerbate the state’s reliance on sales taxes, which disproportionately overburden families and workers with low to moderate income…

Excellent rebuttal to political pandering by the wealthy.

This is the age old dispute/battle/confrontation between individualism or collectivism.

Like do you want the cost of golf cart paths maintained from

1) a toll source?
2) spread amongst everyone for the lowest cost per resident?
3) pay a local tax on gasoline?
4) pay a registration fee per year on every golf cart?
5) flat tax versus graduated proportion?

How did the US get out of the depression? by taxing the rich a very high level, because that was the only source of money, with centralized distribution. .
but the rich weren't in dire straits and needing food and shelter.

Financially, its a source and allocation problem,
where the most expensive method is individual usage, and the easiest is a small amount per person, so anyone can use it without constraints. .

pick your poison, but trying to disrupt lots of everyday conveniences and stability leads to alot of chaos and opportunity to be exploited. .

each contributes to their proportion of the maintenance according to their means.

[Topspinmo]

IMO taxes in Florida no cheaper than any other state, they just have others ways of collecting. Now it you don’t buy anything or have anything taxes are really cheap in Florida, but that means you have nothing?:faint:

[kkingston57]

Lawmakers in Pennsylvania and Florida are contemplating the elimination of property taxes, igniting a debate on the fairness of taxing owned property. Critics argue that property taxes are essentially a form of rent to the government, with many advocating for their complete abolition. While some propose exemptions for seniors, others argue against special tax breaks for any group, including seniors, due to their perceived financial stability. Alternatives like increasing local sales taxes have been suggested to replace the revenue lost from property taxes. This discussion reflects a broader reevaluation of tax systems in the U.S., focusing on the principles of ownership and taxation.

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Would create a huge can of worms. Florida(by law) can not have an income tax. Only other tax would be a sales tax, Bet it would take an increase to 9-11% to make up the difference. A lot of people would think harder about vacationing in Florida with that amount of sales tax. People move to Florida because of low taxes. Why change something that is not broken?

[jbartle1]

I’ll be shocked if this happens. Programs depending on revenue will disappear

[MX rider]

Although I'm a big fan of our Governor, I'm not a fan of this. Nobody likes to pay property taxes, but we need the money they produce for many essential things.
It's easy to stand up there and say you want to eliminate them.

But I've yet to hear him say how he's going to replace this huge loss of income for our state.

[Bay Kid]

Taxes and insurance are a huge part of my living expense.

Pay cash for your home, but the taxes can still take it from you.

[Pballer]

Florida is in a unique position due to its warm weather and beaches. The government is able to keep taxes low on its residents by squeezing it out of tourists and people who own homes here but are residents of other states.

[Ben Franklin]

Eliminating property taxes and replacing them with a sales tax puts the majority of the burden on those of us who live here year-round, as snowbirds who return to their states don't pay tax on many items that we do here. So, it would be better for them to buy those items in their own state and bring them back here for the winter.

[kkingston57]

Florida is in a unique position due to its warm weather and beaches. The government is able to keep taxes low on its residents by squeezing it out of tourists and people who own homes here but are residents of other states.

That can change in a heartbeat. Tourists might opt to go to a different state if sales taxes go up. Sales tax would be the only way to replace property taxes.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Florida is in a unique position due to its warm weather and beaches. The government is able to keep taxes low on its residents by squeezing it out of tourists and people who own homes here but are residents of other states.

Or is this a movement which then FL state will have to backfill for the local counties, and then the state can raise taxes on such businesses as Disney, where the state wants to grab more if Disney's profits. . and some other businesses which have move here from up north. .

somebody is greedy but not sure from where they want to steal

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Or is this a movement which then FL state will have to backfill for the local counties, and then the state can raise taxes on such businesses as Disney, where the state wants to grab more if Disney's profits. . and some other businesses which have move here from up north. .

somebody is greedy but not sure from where they want to steal

I don't think they even care. I think they just want to push the "look at us, we have no property tax!" narrative to buy votes from the ignorant who don't think things through. And in Florida, there is no shortage of that.

[Pballer]

That can change in a heartbeat. Tourists might opt to go to a different state if sales taxes go up. Sales tax would be the only way to replace property taxes.

My guess is from past history of the Save Our Homes law, Florida will screw over people who own houses here but are residents of other states by continuing to make them pay property taxes. People will continue to visit Florida even if the sale tax increases; witness the crowds at Disney even though they keep jacking up prices.

[mtdjed]

Florida is in a unique position due to its warm weather and beaches. The government is able to keep taxes low on its residents by squeezing it out of tourists and people who own homes here but are residents of other states.

There are costs associated with government and there are different levels of government. In Florida we use US , State, County, City, and developer services. Somebody has to pay. If a developer puts in roads, sewers, amenities, he pays for it, but buyers ultimately pay in the form of a bond. Schools are necessary and almost universally those costs are spread amongst all land owners. Administration, Police, Fire, Facility maintenance are also allocated against land owners. Sales taxes in Florida are primarily payable to the state, and is shared by all who buy taxable items. Visitors get to pay their share when they rent, lease, a place to stay. To keep the same standard we have today, the above costs will still need to be paid at some level. If property taxes at the town and county level are lowered or eliminated, then the cost could be covered by a bond or fee or a tax at another level.

Even though the concept of no local property taxes seems wonderful, we will all see it in another form which may be more undesirable. Of course, you could sell and rent, and seemingly pay no property tax.

[Kelevision]

My guess is from past history of the Save Our Homes law, Florida will screw over people who own houses here but are residents of other states by continuing to make them pay property taxes. People will continue to visit Florida even if the sale tax increases; witness the crowds at Disney even though they keep jacking up prices.

Fun fact. Disney parks make a significant amount of their money from Florida season pass holders.

[SoCalGal]

Taxes and insurance are a huge part of my living expense. Pay cash for your home, but the taxes can still take it from you.

That's the argument in that thread. With property taxes, you don't really own your home. You rent it from the government, and they take your home from you if you don't pay.

[Bearlythere]

That's the argument in that thread. With property taxes, you don't really own your home. You rent it from the government, and they take your home from you if you don't pay.
Instead of calling it Property Tax why don't we call what it is. It's a wealth tax. You buy something own it , you still have pay for it.

[Whatnext]

I have no idea how much it would bring in for Florida, but a dollar a gallon tax on all gas would raise a reasonable amount to offset reducing or getting rid of property tax. The State could give some tax relief to haulage outfits to keep distribution costs down. Then put an equivalent tax on electric cars, so they pay their share as well.

[TeresaE]

Lawmakers in Pennsylvania and Florida are contemplating the elimination of property taxes, igniting a debate on the fairness of taxing owned property. Critics argue that property taxes are essentially a form of rent to the government, with many advocating for their complete abolition. While some propose exemptions for seniors, others argue against special tax breaks for any group, including seniors, due to their perceived financial stability. Alternatives like increasing local sales taxes have been suggested to replace the revenue lost from property taxes. This discussion reflects a broader reevaluation of tax systems in the U.S., focusing on the principles of ownership and taxation.

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I’m in the fence with this issue. On one hand, eliminating property taxes raises the question of what will replace that revenue. Sales tax is typically a regressive tax. That can be fixed by excluding sales tax on groceries and increasing taxes on luxury items like yachts.

On the other hand, I’ve known too many people who have lost their homes because they are equity rich and cash poor. In other words, all their wealth is trapped in their property, but they can’t access it because they have little to no income. No income equals no way to pay back a loan against the house. No property taxes could keep people in their homes.

One more nugget, everyone pays property taxes, even renters. They are just paying them for someone else.

[lpkruege1]

Excellent rebuttal to political pandering by the wealthy.

This is the age old dispute/battle/confrontation between individualism or collectivism.

Like do you want the cost of golf cart paths maintained from

1) a toll source?
2) spread amongst everyone for the lowest cost per resident?
3) pay a local tax on gasoline?
4) pay a registration fee per year on every golf cart?
5) flat tax versus graduated proportion?

How did the US get out of the depression? by taxing the rich a very high level, because that was the only source of money, with centralized distribution. .
but the rich weren't in dire straits and needing food and shelter.

Financially, its a source and allocation problem,
where the most expensive method is individual usage, and the easiest is a small amount per person, so anyone can use it without constraints. .

pick your poison, but trying to disrupt lots of everyday conveniences and stability leads to alot of chaos and opportunity to be exploited. .

each contributes to their proportion of the maintenance according to their means.

So, means testing for Social Security? For health insurance? At the gas pump? The grocery store? Buying a house, even if it's the same crappy government owned house? So, you are saying tax the rich, tax the corporations, Tax the people that made good life choices? Tax the people that worked lots of overtime, scrimped and saved for their house, drove an old car, and made do so they could retire comfortably? Tax the people that risked their life savings, their home, and everything else to start and run a business? Tax those that may have worked for years building their business for little or no pay? Tax those evil corporations that provide jobs to the rest of us? That invest in new technology to make a better product? Tax them for what? How much? Give it to who? That really sounds like socialism to me.

[Justputt]

We're going to pay, whether it's a VAT, property, etc., we'll end up paying. I think we're better off looking at what our state governments are doing and ask ourselves if that's appropriate. Are they doing more than necessary to keep us safe, good roads, fire protection, EMS, etc. If they are doing fluff stuff, then pull those programs and fund them on use taxes. i.e. got a boat, then let registrations fees cover boat launches (construction, repairs, etc.). Like to hunt/fish, then let hunting license fees cover those activities. Let those that live for spending sunny days on the beach (or make money from it (rental homes/condos/hotels/etc.) cover beach restoration/cleanup/etc. In short, let government tax us for all the things we ALL need and use, and a use tax for the extra stuff. Mainly, keep government only large enough to perform its necessary functions. My 2 cents... less tax.

[SaucyJim]

So, means testing for Social Security? For health insurance? At the gas pump? The grocery store? Buying a house, even if it's the same crappy government owned house? So, you are saying tax the rich, tax the corporations, Tax the people that made good life choices? Tax the people that worked lots of overtime, scrimped and saved for their house, drove an old car, and made do so they could retire comfortably? Tax the people that risked their life savings, their home, and everything else to start and run a business? Tax those that may have worked for years building their business for little or no pay? Tax those evil corporations that provide jobs to the rest of us? That invest in new technology to make a better product? Tax them for what? How much? Give it to who? That really sounds like socialism to me.

“From each according to his ability and to each according to his need.” — paraphrased, but this is evil at its core.

[ron32162]

Families and workers with low to moderate income that rent still pay property taxes. Its included in their rent. With no property taxes on property rents would go down.

[SaucyJim]

Last I checked, Disney is sucking wind, has been for at least several years, since they openly have shown their, er, less desirable interactions with American culture.
Their fun park sales & movie business has dropped substantially. Which is why they have raised their costs on other side businesses, like Hulu.
Property taxes tho are a bit unfair to homeowners vs renters. Some will say renters have property tax built into the rent. I dunno.

As a former landlord, I always looked to make a profit. That profit was after my house payment, property taxes, and homeowner’s insurance were tabulated. I can assure you that my renters were paying my property tax and insurance for me. I’m not taking a risk for zero profit.

[JRcorvette]

Lawmakers in Pennsylvania and Florida are contemplating the elimination of property taxes, igniting a debate on the fairness of taxing owned property. Critics argue that property taxes are essentially a form of rent to the government, with many advocating for their complete abolition. While some propose exemptions for seniors, others argue against special tax breaks for any group, including seniors, due to their perceived financial stability. Alternatives like increasing local sales taxes have been suggested to replace the revenue lost from property taxes. This discussion reflects a broader reevaluation of tax systems in the U.S., focusing on the principles of ownership and taxation.

Follow the discussion on the X platform. https://x.com/i/trending/1900738125510664398

Here is a YouTube video of a Real Estate Agent talking about this issue and the pros and cons of it.

https://youtu.be/fq-ES-5F69c?si=gwM21eYjlYBboZMV

[kkingston57]

Fun fact. Disney parks make a significant amount of their money from Florida season pass holders.

Can't disagree, we go once a month and most of the cars have Florida license plates.

[Bill14564]

That's the argument in that thread. With property taxes, you don't really own your home. You rent it from the government, and they take your home from you if you don't pay.

That's the statement but it seems kinda weak. When I think of renting I think of renting an apartment, renting from airbnb, renting a home in the Villages, etc. I can sell my home whenever I like and eventually get a six-figure check. I doubt that attempting to sell a property that I am renting would be as lucrative.

The County needs revenue to pay for the services it provides (schools, police, fire protection, road maintenance, etc). It seems appropriate to collect that revenue from those that benefit from the services, the residents of the County. Charging by head or charging by home would make sense but homes are more stationary and easier to count. Taxing on the value of the home is less regressive.

We could talk about pay-for-play methods but one: the overhead on that would be tremendous; and two: it would quickly fall apart when parents are asked to pay an additional $12,000 per student after Villagers stop paying school taxes.

The biggest problem I see with eliminating property taxes is the intrusion of the State into local rule. If the county can't collect its own revenue then it will have to get the funds from the State. When that happens the State will impose conditions on the use of the funds. I dislike the idea of the State mandating how towns, cities, and counties must operate - one-size-fits-all rarely fits properly.

[Harold.wiser]

Excellent rebuttal to political pandering by the wealthy.

This is the age old dispute/battle/confrontation between individualism or collectivism.

Like do you want the cost of golf cart paths maintained from

1) a toll source?
2) spread amongst everyone for the lowest cost per resident?
3) pay a local tax on gasoline?
4) pay a registration fee per year on every golf cart?
5) flat tax versus graduated proportion?

How did the US get out of the depression? by taxing the rich a very high level, because that was the only source of money, with centralized distribution. .
but the rich weren't in dire straits and needing food and shelter.

Financially, its a source and allocation problem,
where the most expensive method is individual usage, and the easiest is a small amount per person, so anyone can use it without constraints. .

pick your poison, but trying to disrupt lots of everyday conveniences and stability leads to alot of chaos and opportunity to be exploited. .

each contributes to their proportion of the maintenance according to their means.

The US got out of the depression by taxing the rich? Sorry, but a country can NEVER tax itself to prosperity. That is a myth perpetuated by the people who want to tax you!!

The US pulled out of the Great Depression primarily due to the economic stimulus of World War II, which created massive demand for goods and jobs in defense industries, ultimately ending the decade-long economic crisis.

[pcbme]

I suggest Florida freeze the amount collected on property taxes. Any new funding would need other funding source it reallocation of resources.any new decisions pay average

[Bill14564]

The US got out of the depression by taxing the rich? Sorry, but a country can NEVER tax itself to prosperity. That is a myth perpetuated by the people who want to tax you!!

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Where have I heard that before..... Oh yeah, from those who are amassing the wealth thanks to lowered tax brackets and loopholes.

If the 90% tax brackets were too far in one direction, the low brackets and loopholes we have now are too far in the other direction.

[ChilePepper]

Here is a YouTube video of a Real Estate Agent talking about this issue and the pros and cons of it.

https://youtu.be/fq-ES-5F69c?si=gwM21eYjlYBboZMV

Very informative. Thank you!

[Pballer]

Property taxes probably hurt renters more than owners. The Save Our Homes amendment limits annual increases in the assessed value of homesteaded properties to 3% or the Consumer Price Index (CPI), whichever is lower. Landlords have no such protection and must pass along their much higher property taxes to their tenants. I love to hear the bellyaching of homeowners who are paying $3000 property taxes on a house valued at $1,000,000 because the county is assessing their house that they bought 10 years ago at only $300,000. Florida has one of the most unfair property tax systems in the country and eventually it will catch up with it.

[Normal]

Just one tax is needed, a flat tax! Get rid of all the special interest garbage that makes our system so complicated and corrupt.

[Pugchief]

That can change in a heartbeat. Tourists might opt to go to a different state if sales taxes go up. Sales tax would be the only way to replace property taxes.

Yes, because the first thing I do when planning a vacation is to check the local sales tax rate. And if it's 10% instead of 6.5%, that destination gets crossed off the list! [/sarcasm]

[Pugchief]

I don't think they even care. I think they just want to push the "look at us, we have no property tax!" narrative to buy votes from the ignorant who don't think things through. And in Florida, there is no shortage of that.

Florida does not have a monopoly on that, in fact, I would argue it is much worse in some other states. YMMV. Regardless, no one forces anyone to move here and if someone dislike the way things are run here, I'm not sure why they wouldn't choose a place that is run more to their liking.

[Pugchief]

Can't disagree, we go once a month and most of the cars have Florida license plates.

(Almost) Everyone who flies to Orlando and rents a car gets FL plates. A FL plate in the Disney lot does not mean the driver is a resident.

[Pugchief]

The County needs revenue to pay for the services it provides (schools, police, fire protection, road maintenance, etc). It seems appropriate to collect that revenue from those that benefit from the services, the residents of the County. Charging by head or charging by home would make sense but homes are more stationary and easier to count. Taxing on the value of the home is less regressive.

We could talk about pay-for-play methods but one: the overhead on that would be tremendous; and two: it would quickly fall apart when parents are asked to pay an additional $12,000 per student after Villagers stop paying school taxes.

The biggest problem I see with eliminating property taxes is the intrusion of the State into local rule. If the county can't collect its own revenue then it will have to get the funds from the State. When that happens the State will impose conditions on the use of the funds. I dislike the idea of the State mandating how towns, cities, and counties must operate - one-size-fits-all rarely fits properly.

Correct. Well said.

[Pugchief]

Where have I heard that before..... Oh yeah, from those who are amassing the wealth thanks to lowered tax brackets and loopholes.

If the 90% tax brackets were too far in one direction, the low brackets and loopholes we have now are too far in the other direction.

Huh? You are upset that people are "amassing wealth" because tax brackets are too low? As far as I am concerned, taxes are too high. But if you feel you are not being charged enough, you are allowed to contribute more to the treasury. No really, and I have yet to see anyone actually do it.

[Bill14564]

Just one tax is needed, a flat tax! Get rid of all the special interest garbage that makes our system so complicated and corrupt.

At the state and local level we have a flat tax now:
- state income tax is a flat 0%
- state sales tax is a flat 6%
- Sumter county sales tax is a flat 1%
- Sumter county property tax is a flat 1.01359%

What special interest garbage is making our state and local systems so complicated and corrupt?

[Aces4]

Yes, because the first thing I do when planning a vacation is to check the local sales tax rate. And if it's 10% instead of 6.5%, that destination gets crossed off the list! [/sarcasm]

You may be surprised.:D

[Bwanajim]

Even if you do not have a mortgage, you will NEVER OWN YOUR HOME!! Property taxes should be abolished.

[kkingston57]

[QUOTE=Pugchief;2416511]Yes, because the first thing I do when planning a vacation is to check the local sales tax rate. And if it's 10% instead of 6.5%, that destination gets crossed off the list! [/sarcasm][/QUOT

Used the word MIGHT opt to go elsewhere.

[kkingston57]

(Almost) Everyone who flies to Orlando and rents a car gets FL plates. A FL plate in the Disney lot does not mean the driver is a resident.

Agree and all rental cars in Florida do not have Florida tags,

[kkingston57]

Even if you do not have a mortgage, you will NEVER OWN YOUR HOME!! Property taxes should be abolished.

What does the fact that you paid off your mortgage have to do with your property taxes? What source of revenue is going to pay for police, fire, schools, roads, etc?

[Pugchief]

Used the word MIGHT opt to go elsewhere.

Do YOU actually check the sales tax rate in a potential vacation destination? I'm more concerned with the cost of the flight and hotel than what the sales tax rate is.

I'd be more concerned with the rate where you LIVE and do most of your spending.

[Marmaduke]

Although I'm a big fan of our Governor, I'm not a fan of this. Nobody likes to pay property taxes, but we need the money they produce for many essential things.
It's easy to stand up there and say you want to eliminate them.

But I've yet to hear him say how he's going to replace this huge loss of income for our state.
>1% increase in Sales tax.

> tourist tax

>increase in Homestead Act exemptions ( instead of 50 K being taken off the appraised value, perhaps minus 75K it even better....150K.

* don't shoot the messenger, these are the creative discussions taking place in Tallahassee to give the overburdened taxpayers a MUCH NEEDED, MUCH DESERVED break!

Think about it~ There's tons of people benefiting from the high taxes we've been paying since we all owned our own homes in our 20's.
Some people... just live in momma's house and never pay a cent to the programs that they've benefited from for the last 40-60 years.
As a fiscal conservative- I'm ALL for cutting TAXES.
I would love to TEACH independence from tax-paying mindsets.

[Bill14564]

>1% increase in Sales tax.

> tourist tax

>increase in Homestead Act exemptions ( instead of 50 K being taken off the appraised value, perhaps minus 75K it even better....150K.

* don't shoot the messenger, these are the creative discussions taking place in Tallahassee to give the overburdened taxpayers a MUCH NEEDED, MUCH DESERVED break!

Think about it~ There's tons of people benefiting from the high taxes we've been paying since we all owned our own homes in our 20's.
Some people... just live in momma's house and never pay a cent to the programs that they've benefited from for the last 40-60 years.
As a fiscal conservative- I'm ALL for cutting TAXES.
I would love to TEACH independence from tax-paying mindsets.

According to the county budget, the county takes in $100M for property tax, $20M from sales tax, and when it was in place, the tourist tax took in less than $1M. In order to cover a loss in property tax the county would need to raise the county portion of the sales tax to 6% and hope buyers didn’t drive to Lake or Marion.

My property tax is less than what I was paying inMD and less than what my brother pays in NY. I don’t feel overburdened and based on my experience, we are nowhere close to paying a high tax rate.

[jimjamuser]

Lawmakers in Pennsylvania and Florida are contemplating the elimination of property taxes, igniting a debate on the fairness of taxing owned property. Critics argue that property taxes are essentially a form of rent to the government, with many advocating for their complete abolition. While some propose exemptions for seniors, others argue against special tax breaks for any group, including seniors, due to their perceived financial stability. Alternatives like increasing local sales taxes have been suggested to replace the revenue lost from property taxes. This discussion reflects a broader reevaluation of tax systems in the U.S., focusing on the principles of ownership and taxation.

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Rich people have the most expensive homes so they want to get out of paying their fair share. A sales tax is a regressive tax because it hurt poor and middle class people the most. if you are in the top 10 % of wealth, you love a sales tax.

[jimjamuser]

I don't think they even care. I think they just want to push the "look at us, we have no property tax!" narrative to buy votes from the ignorant who don't think things through. And in Florida, there is no shortage of that.
Rich people's taxes go DOWN and the poor and middle class taxes go UP. Is that the America that MOST people want?

[jimjamuser]

Just one tax is needed, a flat tax! Get rid of all the special interest garbage that makes our system so complicated and corrupt.
A flat tax is a regressive tax that favors the RICH and hurts the poor. Sales tax IS flat and regressive.

[justjim]

Mr. Lincoln is quoted as saying a lot of things. “These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people.”Abraham Lincoln