E-bikes are capable of 30 mph speeds?

[dshoberg]

So, I had an e-bike pass me on a multi-modal path while I was doing around 20mph in my golf cart. When I got home, I looked up the specs on some of those bikes. When I read about some reaching 30 mph, I had to think. If I can get a ticket in The Villages for going over 20 mph in my cart, can they also get ticketed?

[Bill14564]

So, I had an e-bike pass me on a multi-modal path while I was doing around 20mph in my golf cart. When I got home, I looked up the specs on some of those bikes. When I read about some reaching 30 mph, I had to think. If I can get a ticket in The Villages for going over 20 mph in my cart, can they also get ticketed?

Well, you can’t get a ticket for going over 20mph in your cart so there’s that.

You *can*get a citation/summons for having an unregistered vehicle capable of exceeding 20mph. Doesn’t matter how fast you were driving.

[Altavia]

Class 3 e-bikes have a maximum speed of 28mph and are permitted on the street like any other bicycle.

[CarlR33]

What about the guy I saw on the E-Skateboard…he was doing close to that, shorts, shirt and no helmet.

[Topspinmo]

E bikes should have to be licensed just like mopeds….:highfive: and yes moped use to have pedals. I can simulate I’ll pumping just like on E-bike.:D

[tophcfa]

What about the guy I saw on the E-Skateboard…he was doing close to that, shorts, shirt and no helmet.

Organ donor.

[Topspinmo]

What about the guy I saw on the E-Skateboard…he was doing close to that, shorts, shirt and no helmet.

Those are very popular on college campuses with handlebars. They are flying around everywhere.. :shrug:

[LuLinn]

We ride ebikes. We usually go 15 mph. We are passed by analog bikes and the spandex groups all the time. Golf carts, bikes, ebikes and cars will all push the speed limit. If they are ticketed, they'll pay it. I don't think you should worry about it.

[Whatnext]

Never mind e-bicycles, powered skateboards, what about some of these electric wheel chairs? Was passed the other day by one while walking, and I swear it was going close to 20mph.
I said to my wife that if I ever need one of them, that's the model I want, or its big brother!

[Nanshe]

Well, you can’t get a ticket for going over 20mph in your cart so there’s that.

You *can*get a citation/summons for having an unregistered vehicle capable of exceeding 20mph. Doesn’t matter how fast you were driving.


Yes, you can

[USOTR]

They really need to start enforcing that

[DavoNuevo]

They really need to start enforcing that

Enforcement will start after injuries start.

[Accidental1]

So, I had an e-bike pass me on a multi-modal path while I was doing around 20mph in my golf cart. When I got home, I looked up the specs on some of those bikes. When I read about some reaching 30 mph, I had to think. If I can get a ticket in The Villages for going over 20 mph in my cart, can they also get ticketed?

Is seeing these bikes doing that speed on a walking/biking only path. I see this regularly on the path in front of my house and can’t believe it. Some people lack any common sense.

[MandoMan]

So, I had an e-bike pass me on a multi-modal path while I was doing around 20mph in my golf cart. When I got home, I looked up the specs on some of those bikes. When I read about some reaching 30 mph, I had to think. If I can get a ticket in The Villages for going over 20 mph in my cart, can they also get ticketed?

I bought a very nice e-bike on Amazon. Close to $3,000. It had a governor that could be set by the owner using a normally hidden electronic control panel for anywhere between 3 mph and 45 mph. It could also supposedly go 60 mph on a charge. (The tests could be seen on YouTube.) I’m not surprised. It had a motorcycle-type frame and big tires,ma great headlight, Mordor’s, and all. Motorcycles go much faster than that.

But I chickened out. I came to my senses and realized what a fall would do to the rest of my pleasant life here. I never even threw a leg over it. Never turned it on. I put it up for sale. After six months, someone finally came to see it and bought it for $1,000.

I’d had pedals and was classified as an e- bike. The governor could certainly be set for 20 mph. It could keep up on cart lanes. What puzzles me is why regular bicycles that seldom reach 20 mph are allowed Morse and Buena Vista, but carts aren’t. Seems dangerous and risky,

[rsmurano]

So the e-bikes can go xxxx mph, big deal. I’m happy to see it, it won’t be someone going slow in front of me.
My neighbor claims his standup skateboard will go 60mph. No pads/helmet, this is crazy! Capable speeds vs the speed he goes are 2 different things. Your cars can go 100mph-200mph depending on the car you have, but how often to you go above 80?
Again, it’s not the fast people causing issues on the paths, it’s the slower people that cause accidents

[Fastskiguy]

Just can't please some golf cart drivers. Below 20mph = "they're in my way!" Over 20mph = "they are maniacs!"

Fortunately 99% of people are super nice (only 1% entitled ********)

Gotta admit, I'd rather be hit by a maniac ebiker than a maniac golf cart driver....if I had to choose.

Joe

[asianthree]

Tickets written for 20-30 spandex group riders blowing through STOP Signs will never happen
Then speed tickets will still not be written in TV proper for bikes, e-bikes, carts, and definitely not autos.
At least it has never been a priority for more than 15 years. I don’t see any change coming soon to curb speeds in TV. It would be welcomed by many, to finally get control, and stop leaving unmanned cars parked beside roads, and actually write a ticket.

I will say the PD presence south of 44 is very noticeable on streets. Ticket being written this morning at 7am as I waved a thumbs up to the officer.

[Nana2Teddy]

Well, you can’t get a ticket for going over 20mph in your cart so there’s that.

You *can*get a citation/summons for having an unregistered vehicle capable of exceeding 20mph. Doesn’t matter how fast you were driving.

You can be ticketed for speeding in a golf cart on the street in the diamond lane, but not on the MMP because it’s private property.

[JRcorvette]

So, I had an e-bike pass me on a multi-modal path while I was doing around 20mph in my golf cart. When I got home, I looked up the specs on some of those bikes. When I read about some reaching 30 mph, I had to think. If I can get a ticket in The Villages for going over 20 mph in my cart, can they also get ticketed?

My e-bike will do about 28 but I never go that fast. Unlike golf carts bikes are not subject to ticket for speeding.

[CybrSage]

I love all the authoritative posts with no citations. Come on people, show support for the claims. No one should blindly believe a random person on the Internet.

[Rocksnap]

E bikes should have to be licensed just like mopeds….:highfive: and yes moped use to have pedals. I can simulate I’ll pumping just like on E-bike.:D

No, no, and no. Respectfully.

[Dantes]

No law enforcement on path private property

[Bill14564]

You can be ticketed for speeding in a golf cart on the street in the diamond lane, but not on the MMP because it’s private property.

Yes, but….

I don’t know where there is a diamond lane (noting that our lanes don’t actually have diamonds) on a road with a speed limit less than 20mph.

[Surf Daddy]

Organ donor.

I raced motocross and stadium supercross in the late 70s. I learned one great lesson by observation: dress for the crash, not the ride.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Tickets written for 20-30 spandex group riders blowing through STOP Signs will never happen
Then speed tickets will still not be written in TV proper for bikes, e-bikes, carts, and definitely not autos.
At least it has never been a priority for more than 15 years. I don’t see any change coming soon to curb speeds in TV. It would be welcomed by many, to finally get control, and stop leaving unmanned cars parked beside roads, and actually write a ticket.

I will say the PD presence south of 44 is very noticeable on streets. Ticket being written this morning at 7am as I waved a thumbs up to the officer.

So, here's the thing with bicycles and stop signs. You know the Boone Gate and Paradise, on the Historic side? At that stop sign coming up from the fire department - if there's traffic coming from the left or the right, I'll stop. But I have to get OFF my bike, and will then have to continue walking my bike across Boone to continue up Paradise. I -cannot- start from a full stop, on an incline. My muscles just won't let me do that. I don't mind walking my bike across the street when I have to stop for traffic, I accept my limitations, and I accept the consequences of not stopping, if there's traffic.

However, if there's no traffic, I WILL blow through that stop sign. It is actually more dangerous to stop, and walk my bike across that intersection, than it is to ride through. I'd be walking WITH traffic, not against it, and I'd have to hold onto my bicycle while I'm walking. If someone comes up behind me trying to take a right, they might try to cut me off since I'm walking. Or they might clip me from behind. Or they might try to pass me. Keep in mind that LEGALLY - if I'm riding my bicycle, I have the RIGHT to my lane. If I'm walking, I'm supposed to be on the other side of the road.

So yeah - if there's no traffic coming from the sides or someone trying to take a left from the opposite direction, I will absolutely ride through if I'm on an incline, or even if I'm speeding up going DOWN the hill, and an incline is up ahead of me. I need that momentum or I'll be walking, in the same direction of traffic, with my bicycle at my side until the road evens out or goes back downhill again.

If there's traffic, I'll take the hit and walk. But I won't be crossing the road to walk against traffic. So y'all will be taking YOUR chances when you drive past me, if you're stuck with me walking with traffic, around two feet away from the curb because my bicycle is on my right.

[BlueStarAirlines]

I love all the authoritative posts with no citations. Come on people, show support for the claims. No one should blindly believe a random person on the Internet.

You did not give a citation for your quote!
"No one should blindly believe a random person on the Internet". Abraham Lincoln

[Indydealmaker]

Well, you can’t get a ticket for going over 20mph in your cart so there’s that.

You *can*get a citation/summons for having an unregistered vehicle capable of exceeding 20mph. Doesn’t matter how fast you were driving.

A golf cart exceeding any speed limit can be also ticketed just for that alone. Streets in The Villages without speed limit signage are limited to 20mph, parking lots even lower.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yes, but….

I don’t know where there is a diamond lane (noting that our lanes don’t actually have diamonds) on a road with a speed limit less than 20mph.

The state speed limit for golf carts (NOT street-legal vehicles, which have their own specific criteria) is 20mph. If you are exceeding 20mph, on any public road or throughway, no matter what the speed limit for OTHER vehicular traffic is, then you are breaking the law and can get a ticket for it.

For street-legal carts, the speed limit is 25mph, regardless of the posted speed limit for all other vehicular traffic.

[Bill14564]

A golf cart exceeding any speed limit can be also ticketed just for that alone. Streets in The Villages without speed limit signage are limited to 20mph, parking lots even lower.

The state speed limit for golf carts (NOT street-legal vehicles, which have their own specific criteria) is 20mph. If you are exceeding 20mph, on any public road or throughway, no matter what the speed limit for OTHER vehicular traffic is, then you are breaking the law and can get a ticket for it.

For street-legal carts, the speed limit is 25mph, regardless of the posted speed limit for all other vehicular traffic.

Come on!

Yes, of course exceeding the posted limit in a cart will warrant a ticket. BUT, since carts are limited to 20mph and most roads in the Villages have limits higher than that, it is not possible to exceed the posted speed limit.

Yes, the speed limit in many villas is 10mph but since those are private roads it is unlikely that the sheriff will be giving tickets there.

Obviously, some cart-like vehicles are capable of traveling faster than 20mph. These also can be cited but that citation will be for an unregistered vehicle, not for exceeding 20mph on a road with a limit of 30mph.

[slg0921]

Per https://thecyclistchoice.com/resources/florida-ebike-laws/


Speed Limits: Riders must adhere to the speed limitations set for each eBike class. I take this to mean that if the bike is capable of 28 MPH (Class 3), then it is legal to do that speed. I've had mine up to 30, but it takes a bit of work to get it there.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Come on!

Yes, of course exceeding the posted limit in a cart will warrant a ticket. BUT, since carts are limited to 20mph and most roads in the Villages have limits higher than that, it is not possible to exceed the posted speed limit.

Yes, the speed limit in many villas is 10mph but since those are private roads it is unlikely that the sheriff will be giving tickets there.

Obviously, some cart-like vehicles are capable of traveling faster than 20mph. These also can be cited but that citation will be for an unregistered vehicle, not for exceeding 20mph on a road with a limit of 30mph.

The Village of Country Club Hills has a posted speed limit of 25mph. The rest of the Historic Side has a posted speed limit of 20mph, except for the stretch of road from the Boone Gate to the Wales Gate, which has a posted speed of 15mph.

I have been passed, while in my golf cart, by other golf carts on "my" side of The Villages. We don't have MMPs, these are all public roads.

Also, Morse Blvd from 466 to El Camino Real has a posted speed limit of 30mph, and a golf cart lane on each side of the road. There is ALSO an MMP up closer to the roundabout, but it ends eventually and you still have to drive your cart on Morse, eventually. I have been passed by golf carts, while driving in my golf cart, on Morse Blvd. My cart can go as fast as 21 now, but for quite awhile something was wrong with it and I couldn't even get it past 19.4, and would sometimes not go past 18.6. At an average of 19mph for me, you'd need around a quarter of a mile, going 20mph, to pass me. They were passing me with ease within the span of half a city block. I don't know how fast they were going. I just know they were going well past the 20mph speed limit for golf carts, and they were driving golf carts, not street legal carts.

[shut the front door]

You can be ticketed for speeding in a golf cart on the street in the diamond lane, but not on the MMP because it’s private property.

The ticket is not a speeding ticket. It is a citation for driving an unregistered vehicle. It's been addressed ad nauseum on this forum and this post.

[Bill14564]

The Village of Country Club Hills has a posted speed limit of 25mph. The rest of the Historic Side has a posted speed limit of 20mph, except for the stretch of road from the Boone Gate to the Wales Gate, which has a posted speed of 15mph.

I have been passed, while in my golf cart, by other golf carts on "my" side of The Villages. We don't have MMPs, these are all public roads.

Also, Morse Blvd from 466 to El Camino Real has a posted speed limit of 30mph, and a golf cart lane on each side of the road. There is ALSO an MMP up closer to the roundabout, but it ends eventually and you still have to drive your cart on Morse, eventually. I have been passed by golf carts, while driving in my golf cart, on Morse Blvd. My cart can go as fast as 21 now, but for quite awhile something was wrong with it and I couldn't even get it past 19.4, and would sometimes not go past 18.6. At an average of 19mph for me, you'd need around a quarter of a mile, going 20mph, to pass me. They were passing me with ease within the span of half a city block. I don't know how fast they were going. I just know they were going well past the 20mph speed limit for golf carts, and they were driving golf carts, not street legal carts.

There is no golf cart speed limit in Florida.

Golf cart - line vehicles that are capable of exceeding 20mph are at a minimum LSVs. They may be unregistered LSVs and should be cited but they do not fit the legal definition on Florida of a golf cart.

[jimjamuser]

So the e-bikes can go xxxx mph, big deal. I’m happy to see it, it won’t be someone going slow in front of me.
My neighbor claims his standup skateboard will go 60mph. No pads/helmet, this is crazy! Capable speeds vs the speed he goes are 2 different things. Your cars can go 100mph-200mph depending on the car you have, but how often to you go above 80?
Again, it’s not the fast people causing issues on the paths, it’s the slower people that cause accidents
That last sentence is DEBATABLE. I wonder what the actual statistics are about who causes more accidents - drivers going OVER the speed limit or drivers going UNDER the speed limit?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

There is no golf cart speed limit in Florida.

Golf cart - line vehicles that are capable of exceeding 20mph are at a minimum LSVs. They may be unregistered LSVs and should be cited but they do not fit the legal definition on Florida of a golf cart.

Golf Carts

Golf carts are defined in section 320.01(22), Florida Statutes, as “a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.”

If it's capable of exceeding speeds of 20mph, then it isn't legally a golf cart. That makes the default speed limit for golf carts - 20mph. That's as fast as they're allowed to go on public roads. I discovered mine could hit 21mph when I floored it from a stop on a straight-away, but it immediately reduced itself down to 20.somethingorother - maybe 20.4? It won't sustain 21 for more than a second or two. I normally keep my speed between 19.6-19.8 even though I know my cart can go "into" the 20mph window. Once it hits 19.6 it starts getting too loud (old Club Car with none of that quiet-tech stuff).

(Of course, if you were to put your cart in neutral and roll it down a long, steep hill, you'd eventually surpass 20mph. But the intention of the law isn't to enforce violations of people who roll their carts down long steep hills in neutral.)

[VApeople]

Personally, I do not care how fast e-bikes and golf carts travel. If either one hits me when I am driving my car, they will suffer much more damage than I will.

[fdpaq0580]

Personally, I do not care how fast e-bikes and golf carts travel. If either one hits me when I am driving my car, they will suffer much more damage than I will.

Still gonna ruin your day. Maybe end up in court defending your self. Possibly effect your insurance costs.
If only stupid/careless people paid the price of their stupidity, I wouldn't care. But it doesn’t work out that way. Unfortunately!

[Jim 9922]

That last sentence is DEBATABLE. I wonder what the actual statistics are about who causes more accidents - drivers going OVER the speed limit or drivers going UNDER the speed limit?

I'd vote for neither but would vote for those who are buzzed up on booze or drugs.

[Jim 9922]

That last sentence is DEBATABLE. I wonder what the actual statistics are about who causes more accidents - drivers going OVER the speed limit or drivers going UNDER the speed limit?

I'd vote for neither but would vote for those who are buzzed up on booze or drugs.

[HappyRetired21]

Yes, you can
I've seen them writing tickets to golf cart drivers. 20 mph is the speed limit and they will write you a ticket if they see you pass a cart going 20.

[dshoberg]

I've seen them writing tickets to golf cart drivers. 20 mph is the speed limit and they will write you a ticket if they see you pass a cart going 20.

And that's my point, if they write up carts, why not e-bikes for speeding >20mph?

[Bill14564]

And that's my point, if they write up carts, why not e-bikes for speeding >20mph?

Because they don’t. That poster did not stick around to find out what was going on.

[Donaz1]

So, I had an e-bike pass me on a multi-modal path while I was doing around 20mph in my golf cart. When I got home, I looked up the specs on some of those bikes. When I read about some reaching 30 mph, I had to think. If I can get a ticket in The Villages for going over 20 mph in my cart, can they also get ticketed?

I have an E-bike but I rarely go over 14-15mph. There are 5 assist levels. I keep it on level 1 or 2 as I want the workout. One cannot go anywhere without pedaling. It is not a scooter. I doubt I could achieve 20, maybe downhill.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

And that's my point, if they write up carts, why not e-bikes for speeding >20mph?

E-bikes aren't allowed to exceed posted speed limits. There are 3 different classes of e-bikes. A class 3 e-bike can legally be set to go up to 28mph. Class 1 and 2 e-bikes can legally be set to go no higher than 20mph. All e-bikes are required to obey posted speed limits.

If they CAN go faster, they're set incorrectly - whether intentional or not. It might never be enforced UNLESS one of them causes an accident.

The speed limits apply to bicycles too by the way. If a non-motorized bike is going over the speed limit and causes an accident, they might be held liable for damages. It's definitely possible to go over 20mph on a bicycle.

[jimbomaybe]

So, I had an e-bike pass me on a multi-modal path while I was doing around 20mph in my golf cart. When I got home, I looked up the specs on some of those bikes. When I read about some reaching 30 mph, I had to think. If I can get a ticket in The Villages for going over 20 mph in my cart, can they also get ticketed?
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Again, it’s not the fast people causing issues on the paths, it’s the slower people that cause accidents"

LOL

[fdpaq0580]

Organ donor.

If ther is anything left.

[fdpaq0580]

Enforcement will start after injuries start.

Why don't people start thinking/planning ahead instead of reacting after the carnage begins? We (humans) know that a majority of us are too stupid, self deluded, easily led, self-centered to do what is in our own best interest. Even when we have rules, we're too self-entittled to follow them.
("Sure I can drive. I've only had a few beers. Buckle up and I'll show you what this baby can do.")

[JMintzer]

This entire thread can be summed up like this...

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[fdpaq0580]

The ticket is not a speeding ticket. It is a citation for driving an unregistered vehicle. It's been addressed ad nauseum on this forum and this post.

Imho, it should be both. And, anything else their can think of.