Sharing the Multi-Modal Paths (MMPs)

[ltcdfancher]

I’m a casual bicyclist living in Well Point. The route that I pedal follows the MMP nearly exclusively. On several occasions, I have come up behind someone walking along the right-side of the path. I ring my bell several times to alert them of my approach. I give them a wide berth, of course, and note that they are wearing earbuds. Did they even hear my bell, my approach, or my “good morning” greeting?

Wasn’t it common practice to walk facing oncoming traffic? The cyclist (or golf car driver) and the pedestrian can each see the other’s approach. The pedestrian can be sure that the approaching ‘vehicle’ is giving them ample clearance.

I think that MMPs have room for everyone that chooses to use them.

[Kelevision]

I’m a casual bicyclist living in Well Point. The route that I pedal follows the MMP nearly exclusively. On several occasions, I have come up behind someone walking along the right-side of the path. I ring my bell several times to alert them of my approach. I give them a wide berth, of course, and note that they are wearing earbuds. Did they even hear my bell, my approach, or my “good morning” greeting?

Wasn’t it common practice to walk facing oncoming traffic? The cyclist (or golf car driver) and the pedestrian can each see the other’s approach. The pedestrian can be sure that the approaching ‘vehicle’ is giving them ample clearance.

I think that MMPs have room for everyone that chooses to use them.

I’ve politely told walkers to use the facing traffic lane and they were appreciative. “REALLY?!?! They said…..Yes, I said….. it’s a thing here……But as someone who bikes, walks, and uses a golf cart, I don’t think you’ll get much sympathy as most people don’t like bikers on the MMP. I myself bike and know they don’t like me but when I slow down to wave them by, I think they like me more. But I also dread, DREAD, when I see a group of bikers on the MMP because they’re impossible to get around. They only go like 7 MPH. Everyone has their gripes.

[Pugchief]

I don’t think you’ll get much sympathy as most people don’t like bikers on the MMP.I also dread, DREAD, when I see a group of bikers on the MMP because they’re impossible to get around. They only go like 7 MPH. Everyone has their gripes.

Gripe away. Better the MMPs than on BV or Morse. IMO, YMMV

[Topspinmo]

IMO some/most walkers are worst hogs on MMP, diamond lane, and streets They walk two or more abreast won’t drop in single file when something approaches. MMP, diamond lanes, and street are roads. Here in great state of Florida addresses specific rules for walkers, walk on edge of road facing traffic. Some say MMP not road and private. Florida statue don’t differentiate between two. Now if you don’t think MMP is not road look up meaning of road. You are responsible for your safety regardless even if you are dead right.:ohdear:

[Kelevision]

Gripe away. Better the MMPs than on BV or Morse. IMO, YMMV

Lucky that you’ve never encountered them on Morse or any other major road. I wish I were so lucky. I literally see a large group of bikers on the main roads daily. I don’t even go out much either.

[Laker14]

this conversation (argument) has been hashed over more than once. I agree totally with the OP, for the reason stated: bikers and walkers being able to "read" each other and know they've been acknowledged . There are those who insist, because they read it somewhere, that they should walk with traffic on MMPs and on walking trails (even though bikes and e-bikes are allowed) like Hogeye Trail.
Most of us walk facing traffic, but there are a few who will simply not do it...

[CB750 Rider]

I’m a casual bicyclist living in Well Point. The route that I pedal follows the MMP nearly exclusively. On several occasions, I have come up behind someone walking along the right-side of the path. I ring my bell several times to alert them of my approach. I give them a wide berth, of course, and note that they are wearing earbuds. Did they even hear my bell, my approach, or my “good morning” greeting?

Wasn’t it common practice to walk facing oncoming traffic? The cyclist (or golf car driver) and the pedestrian can each see the other’s approach. The pedestrian can be sure that the approaching ‘vehicle’ is giving them ample clearance.

I think that MMPs have room for everyone that chooses to use them.

Recently on two occasions I have seen a street legal motorized scooter on the MMP. The scooter had a license plate, drove on Morse Blvd then entered the MMP. I ride my bicycle almost daily in TV, but am getting to point where I try to avoid the MMP. Golf carts...please slow down.

[CarlR33]

Been discussed multiple times on here below is one example.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/multi-modal-path-usage-other-than-golf-carts-347768/?highlight=Sharing+paths

[CarlR33]

Golf carts...please slow down.and going left of center on curves because of the speed they are going.

[ElDiabloJoe]

Concur. While it is human nature to walk/run with the flow of traffic just as we did as kids on bikes, or as adults in cars, it is the least safe method and not the recommended one.

The smart "rule of the road" for walkers / runners is to run on the side of opposing traffic. For the very reasons listed here: eyeballing each other to ensure they are seen, to gauge attentiveness and room if needed to jump aside, to not be overtaken by surprise by the Lance Armstrong wannabe pelotons or golf cars. A walker walking with traffic could easily step left to avoid something on the path (dog poop, stick, trash, etc.) and step right into a golf car or bike coming up behind them.

I was a stubborn "run on the right" guy and ran thousands of miles as such. 15-25 miles per week for years. It just "felt' right to go with the flow of traffic. Someone else eventually pointed out the pros and cons and I was converted.

As for the EarPods, if they are worn listening to music, they will drone out ambient sounds. However, if worn simply for noise-cancelling purposes, they will allow ambient sounds quite clearly. There's no way to tell which way a runner or a cyclist is wearing them.

[Topspinmo]

Recently on two occasions I have seen a street legal motorized scooter on the MMP. The scooter had a license plate, drove on Morse Blvd then entered the MMP. I ride my bicycle almost daily in TV, but am getting to point where I try to avoid the MMP. Golf carts...please slow down.

So what’s different between licensed LSV, electric bicycles, vs scooters motorized or not? Especially it scooter considered moped less than 49cc. I guess I can ride mini bike AKA pit bike on MMP and be legal cause they are not licensed? IMO anything has license plates should not be on MMP which included any licensed LSV golf cart or otherwise. IMO designed LSV are too wide for MMP.

[VApeople]

The MMPs are mainly used by golf carts. Any other users are taking a big risk.

We have been here 9 years and do not own a golf cart. One time about 7 years ago we walked 200 yards on an MMP and thought it was too dangerous. That ended our MMP experience.

We love the walking trails in the Southern area, but we wish they would ban e-bikes.

[Bill14564]

The MMPs are mainly used by golf carts. Any other users are taking a big risk.

We have been here 9 years and do not own a golf cart. One time about 7 years ago we walked 200 yards on an MMP and thought it was too dangerous. That ended our MMP experience.

We love the walking trails in the Southern area, but we wish they would ban e-bikes.

... and the bicyclists wish they would ban the carts and the carts wish they would ban the pedestrians..

[Velvet]

Well, TV advertises itself as a golf cart community, not as a walking or bicycle riding community. So if anyone got banned, it would be them. The bridges and tunnels are also built for golf carts. But as there is a recognition that people do like to use their bikes and they do like to walk, there is more and more building for these type of activities in the newer areas.

[Bill14564]

So what’s different between licensed LSV, electric bicycles, vs scooters motorized or not? Especially it scooter considered moped less than 49cc. I guess I can ride mini bike AKA pit bike on MMP and be legal cause they are not licensed? IMO anything has license plates should not be on MMP which included any licensed LSV golf cart or otherwise. IMO designed LSV are too wide for MMP.

Licensed LSV: Could be a Yamaha golf cart modified for 25mph and an approved windshield.
E-bike: If it fits one of the three categories recognized by Florida law then it is treated as a bicycle.
Scooter: Not sure what is meant by a scooter. A two-wheeled vehicle with a seat and a motor? A four-wheeled mobility device? A small, two-wheeled vehicle you stand on?
Moped: Defined by Florida law and treated more like a motorcycle than a bicycle

Allowed on MMP: Pedestrians, bicycles, golf carts. Some years ago the question of LSVs came up and it was the opinion of the District lawyer that an LSV is essentially a fast golf cart and is allowed on the MMP.

Too wide for MMP: 47" appears to be standard. Yamaha, EZ-Go, and Star are 47". Evolution and Atomic appear to be 56". Is there a maximum width and is 56" too wide? While that would rule out Atomic it would also rule out Yamahas with Curtis Cabs.

What is it about the license plate that makes the vehicle inappropriate for the MMP? I'm sure it's not the DOT-approved windshield. It can't be the speed as we've been told many times that almost all carts have been modified to go 30mph+. If I take the plate off my LSV is it then acceptable? What if it's a silly "The Villages" vanity plate and not an official DMV plate, is it okay then? Are there other accessories that would make a cart ineligible to use the MMPs in your opinion?

[Altavia]

We're seeing frequently confused people around Wellpoint due to many new residents (including Middleton) and Lifestyle visitors.

Given the number of part time, short term visitors, a few nicely designed signs explaining what's permitted on the paths wouldn't hurt.

Maybe even with a map and "you are here" at a few major intersections with a few "do's and don'ts" as installed at some Rec Centers

For example, Having one white post at MMP entry points indicating golf carts allowed and two white post meaning no golf carts is not intuitively obvious.

[Topspinmo]

Licensed LSV: Could be a Yamaha golf cart modified for 25mph and an approved windshield.
E-bike: If it fits one of the three categories recognized by Florida law then it is treated as a bicycle.
Scooter: Not sure what is meant by a scooter. A two-wheeled vehicle with a seat and a motor? A four-wheeled mobility device? A small, two-wheeled vehicle you stand on?
Moped: Defined by Florida law and treated more like a motorcycle than a bicycle

Allowed on MMP: Pedestrians, bicycles, golf carts. Some years ago the question of LSVs came up and it was the opinion of the District lawyer that an LSV is essentially a fast golf cart and is allowed on the MMP.

Too wide for MMP: 47" appears to be standard. Yamaha, EZ-Go, and Star are 47". Evolution and Atomic appear to be 56". Is there a maximum width and is 56" too wide? While that would rule out Atomic it would also rule out Yamahas with Curtis Cabs.

What is it about the license plate that makes the vehicle inappropriate for the MMP? I'm sure it's not the DOT-approved windshield. It can't be the speed as we've been told many times that almost all carts have been modified to go 30mph+. If I take the plate off my LSV is it then acceptable? What if it's a silly "The Villages" vanity plate and not an official DMV plate, is it okay then? Are there other accessories that would make a cart ineligible to use the MMPs in your opinion?

I’ve already gave my opinion, which is opinion:thumbup: I don’t care how others interpret it. :D

[VApeople]

TV advertises itself as a golf cart community

Why do you claim that? What specific advertisement are you quoting?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Why do you claim that? What specific advertisement are you quoting?

There's a sign on Morse Blvd that reads "Welcome to The Villages! A Golf-Cart Community. Drive With Care." It's right after you enter the gate from 466 heading north.

[bob47]

The only things I remember learning in kindergarten: 1) walk on the left facing traffic; 2) keep your arms inside the school bus window; and 3) what red, yellow, and green mean on a traffic light.

Cleveland public schools, 1953.

[Velvet]

‘In our hometown, each of our Villages are made up of a collection of quaint neighborhoods surrounded by a wide variety of recreation, golf, entertainment, shopping, dining, and wellness opportunities – just a golf car ride away. Go exploring and have a new adventure every day. Reconnect with family and make new friends. In The Villages, your dreams can become a reality.’ Dream a little (thevillages.com)

[VApeople]

There's a sign on Morse Blvd that reads "Welcome to The Villages! A Golf-Cart Community. Drive With Care." It's right after you enter the gate from 466 heading north.

Yes, I am aware of that sign.

Do you know of any other sign or official statement that says TV is a "golf cart community"?

[roob1]

Does advertising as a golf cart community mean EXCLUSIVELY golf carts? If you are correct, then the paths would be called golf cart paths, not MULTI MODAL paths.



Well, TV advertises itself as a golf cart community, not as a walking or bicycle riding community. So if anyone got banned, it would be them. The bridges and tunnels are also built for golf carts. But as there is a recognition that people do like to use their bikes and they do like to walk, there is more and more building for these type of activities in the newer areas.

[octathorn]

I always walk facing on coming traffic whether bikes or golf carts. When folks are walking 2-3 abreast walking with traffic facing me I stay as close to the edge of the path by the grass. If they don’t move they’re going down. I’m from Boston so I’m a Masshole😱

[kayak]

Walking or running on the right, back toward traffic, is for those who have a death wish.

[Southwest737]

The walkers that are in danger are the ones walking into traffic around the numerous blind curves on MMP. Use the outside lane so you can see better and be seen.

[kimgarwel12@gmail.com]

This whole subject makes me nuts!!! Carts are designed to go 20 mph (if you don't fiddle with the governor). They are not allowed on most public roads, where bikes are allowed. Cart paths were designed/created for golf carts. Now they've been renamed MMPs to accommodate/allow anything that moves. There are numerous walking/biking paths throughout TV where carts are not allowed. Yet, on the cart paths/MMPs that were designed for them to go 20 mph, carts get a bad rap for even being on the MMPs and "going too fast." There's not a walker or biker (not on an E-bike) that can move 20 mph. The tunnels, bridges and round-abouts, IMO, were not designed to accommodate bikers and walkers. My husband and I have kept the governor on our cart and keep our speed at 19-20 mph, give walkers/bikers wide berth whenever possible or slow down to accommodate their speed when we have to. Yet despite that, we're always getting yelled at to "slow down," "get off the path," and a multitude of other unmentionable comments!!! We've had them purposely step or pull their bikes out in front of us when they see us coming. We had an entire group of bikers (about 15) fan out in the lane in front of us from single file as we approached from behind, trying to make it impossible for us to safely pass around them. When we were able to pass them in the oncoming traffic path lane, we were heckled, cursed at, and yelled at. I no longer have any sympathy for these people on the very paths originally built for carts.....and yes, I know, not all bikers/walkers are like this. There just seem to be more and more of the nasty ones as TV grows. There are approximately 75k golf carts on the cart paths and villages streets that were designed for them. The bikers/walkers need to stop whining!!!

[BillyGrown]

Bicycles can enjoy any route or MMP, but there are several types here and often the paths type can dictate proper protocol. If the path is the 2 posted non motorized walking path, bikes can use them instead of the roadways but must yield the right of way to walkers. There won’t always be traffic near these paths and they can be populated with people using walkers, rehabilitative walkers and even dog walkers. A bicyclist needs to be very careful of foot traffic on those paths. Is that the type of MMP you are talking about?

If it’s the single post entry way bikes will encounter both walkers and golf carts. The paths are wide enough for right hand left hand walking flow. This means traffic flow protocol can be more followed because there is room.

[Bill14564]

Yes, I am aware of that sign.

Do you know of any other sign or official statement that says TV is a "golf cart community"?

If that is the only sign that reads, "a golf cart community," there are many other indications that this community was built for golf carts:

The FAQ on thevillages.com mentions getting around by golf carts several times
There are MMPs here that I never see elsewhere.
There are golf cart bridges here that I never see elsewhere.
There are the "diamond" lanes along the roadways here that I rarely see elsewhere.
There are signs at the end (not beginning) of the "diamond" lanes indicating that golf carts must merge
There are signs at most gates and several intersections indicating that golf carts cannot proceed beyond a certain point.
There are certain amenities that have only golf cart parking.
I have read here about certain starter shacks that have no convenient parking for automobiles.

[Chellybean]

This whole subject makes me nuts!!! Carts are designed to go 20 mph (if you don't fiddle with the governor). They are not allowed on most public roads, where bikes are allowed. Cart paths were designed/created for golf carts. Now they've been renamed MMPs to accommodate/allow anything that moves. There are numerous walking/biking paths throughout TV where carts are not allowed. Yet, on the cart paths/MMPs that were designed for them to go 20 mph, carts get a bad rap for even being on the MMPs and "going too fast." There's not a walker or biker (not on an E-bike) that can move 20 mph. The tunnels, bridges and round-abouts, IMO, were not designed to accommodate bikers and walkers. My husband and I have kept the governor on our cart and keep our speed at 19-20 mph, give walkers/bikers wide berth whenever possible or slow down to accommodate their speed when we have to. Yet despite that, we're always getting yelled at to "slow down," "get off the path," and a multitude of other unmentionable comments!!! We've had them purposely step or pull their bikes out in front of us when they see us coming. We had an entire group of bikers (about 15) fan out in the lane in front of us from single file as we approached from behind, trying to make it impossible for us to safely pass around them. When we were able to pass them in the oncoming traffic path lane, we were heckled, cursed at, and yelled at. I no longer have any sympathy for these people on the very paths originally built for carts.....and yes, I know, not all bikers/walkers are like this. There just seem to be more and more of the nasty ones as TV grows. There are approximately 75k golf carts on the cart paths and villages streets that were designed for them. The bikers/walkers need to stop whining!!!

OMG sounds like entitlement to me GOLFERS RULE lmao

[nhtexasrn]

Lucky that you’ve never encountered them on Morse or any other major road. I wish I were so lucky. I literally see a large group of bikers on the main roads daily. I don’t even go out much either.

Cyclists have the same right to the road as cars.

[tophcfa]

Cyclists have the same right to the road as cars.

Not according to the law of physics.

[Switter]

... and the bicyclists wish they would ban the carts and the carts wish they would ban the pedestrians..

lol. Isn't that the truth.

I don't own a golf cart but ride bike every day on the multi modal paths. I've learned some lessons for biking:

Helmet. I hate them but on a path shared with motorized vehicles it's kind of important.

Blinking LED lights on front and back of the bike, even in daylight.

Bike mirror. It's very helpful to know what's coming up behind you, especially with battery operated golf carts which are very quiet.

Stay in the center of the lane, don't move over to the right when a golf cart is approaching from behind. I find when I do that, they don't get all the way over into the other lane when they're passing me and I've had a number of incidents where they were way too close, like inches from my handlebars.

I never wave people past me. They need to figure out if it's safe to pass. I don't want to be responsible for waving someone past when it's not safe. I have enough to do just watching out for myself.

If someone insists on passing you on a blind corner, which is quite frequently, be prepared to slow down because if there is a cart coming, they're not gonna think of you when they swerve back into the lane.

It's good to have a bell to warn walkers you're coming, even if they're on the correct side of the path. I found sometimes they'll walk side-by-side and drift into your lane.

Always use arm signals when turning, even if there's no one around you. It forces you to get into the habit of using them. It seems kind of silly but you're letting everyone around you know your intentions. I'm even going to start pointing forward when I'm crossing roads on the paths. I had an incident a couple days ago where a lady on a golf cart didn't signal that she was gonna turn left onto the road that we were crossing. I assumed she was going straight back onto the path but she turned right in front of me at the last second when I was halfway across the road. I don't know what she was thinking, she looked right at me. I don't make assumptions anymore because I see a lot of people on golf carts not using their turn signals. I decided it's in my own best interest to tell them where I'm going, whether they signal or not.

With tunnels that allow for multidirectional turns when they come out, if you are on the path don't assume the people coming out of the tunnels are gonna stop. I almost got creamed by a golf cart that came flying out of a tunnel down by Lake Sumter Landing.

Stop at stop signs. The human brain is kind of funny, you might take a quick glance thinking it's clear then all of a sudden there's a car there. I'm not sure why sometimes you don't see stuff like that, especially when you're looking right at it, but it happens.

[golfing eagles]

Cyclists have the same right to the road as cars.

Yes, they absolutely do, that is the law.
They also have the same RESPONSIBILITIES as do cars, which they frequently ignore---some of those include blowing through the yield signs at RBs cutting off the cars that have the right of way, and often ignoring that yield sign as a group, so while the first cyclist may have had enough room to enter, the car has to jam on his brakes as the last cyclist just blows on through with the group. Then there is both the group and individual mentality of blowing through stop signs at full speed. The most egregious and dangerous cyclist violation of the law is blowing around a gate at full speed. Carts crossing often have no view of vehicles approaching the gate since the gatehouse blocks their view; they must rely on the gate being down. Several times a cyclist has almost hit me as they IGNORED the stop required at the gate. At then there is the "holier than thou" attitude of some cyclists---memorizing every little law that applies to how cars must interact with bicycles while all the time ignoring the laws that apply to them. Then there's a pet peeve of mine: cyclists on an MMP that wave me to go past. I will pass that cyclist when I feel it is safe and after I have assessed the situation. I do not need their permission , some think this is a courtesy, but I find it is arrogant for them to think they have the right to control my movements.

Lastly, the above rant only applies to a small percentage of cyclists---most are courteous and safety conscious. But the same things applies to both cart and car drivers, it is the minority that gives them a bad rep.

[ElDiabloJoe]

This whole subject makes me nuts!!! Carts are designed to go 20 mph (if you don't fiddle with the governor). They are not allowed on most public roads, where bikes are allowed. Cart paths were designed/created for golf carts. Now they've been renamed MMPs to accommodate/allow anything that moves. There are numerous walking/biking paths throughout TV where carts are not allowed. Yet, on the cart paths/MMPs that were designed for them to go 20 mph, carts get a bad rap for even being on the MMPs and "going too fast." There's not a walker or biker (not on an E-bike) that can move 20 mph. The tunnels, bridges and round-abouts, IMO, were not designed to accommodate bikers and walkers. My husband and I have kept the governor on our cart and keep our speed at 19-20 mph, give walkers/bikers wide berth whenever possible or slow down to accommodate their speed when we have to. Yet despite that, we're always getting yelled at to "slow down," "get off the path," and a multitude of other unmentionable comments!!! We've had them purposely step or pull their bikes out in front of us when they see us coming. We had an entire group of bikers (about 15) fan out in the lane in front of us from single file as we approached from behind, trying to make it impossible for us to safely pass around them. When we were able to pass them in the oncoming traffic path lane, we were heckled, cursed at, and yelled at. I no longer have any sympathy for these people on the very paths originally built for carts.....and yes, I know, not all bikers/walkers are like this. There just seem to be more and more of the nasty ones as TV grows. There are approximately 75k golf carts on the cart paths and villages streets that were designed for them. The bikers/walkers need to stop whining!!!
There is an entire philosophy within the cyclist community regarding "Taking The Lane." I don't mean the Mom or Dad who take their kids out for a ride, or the guy on a beach cruiser tooling around town. I mean the large pelotons of spandex-covered Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who can hardly be troubled to stop at a red light because of the inconvenience of unclipping their little clickety-clack ballet shoes from their pedals.

"Taking The Lane" is their defensive response to cars, wherein they do not move to the right, they will not share a lane - their practice is to take the entire lane because they feel entitled to it and because they feel it enhances their safety. Not sure what studies support that if any.

They are not interested in "Sharing the road," they are interested in making the road theirs entirely.

Well, they should use the road then, and stay off the MMPs. Those are for dad and the kids on a bike or the beach cruiser guy tooling around to share with golf cars and pedestrians of all sorts.

[Bill14564]

There is an entire philosophy within the cyclist community regarding "Taking The Lane." I don't mean the Mom or Dad who take their kids out for a ride, or the guy on a beach cruiser tooling around town. I mean the large pelotons of spandex-covered Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who can hardly be troubled to stop at a red light because of the inconvenience of unclipping their little clickety-clack ballet shoes from their pedals.

"Taking The Lane" is their defensive response to cars, wherein they do not move to the right, they will not share a lane - their practice is to take the entire lane because they feel entitled to it and because they feel it enhances their safety. Not sure what studies support that if any.

They are not interested in "Sharing the road," they are interested in making the road theirs entirely.

Well, they should use the road then, and stay off the MMPs. Those are for dad and the kids on a bike or the beach cruiser guy tooling around to share with golf cars and pedestrians of all sorts.

Taking the lane is a legitimate thing for cyclists to do according to Florida law. The law requires leaving at least three feet of space between you and the bicycle when passing. Most automobile lanes are not wide enough to "share the lane" and MMP lanes aren't even close. Taking the lane by riding in the center of the lane helps avoid close calls by a driver who mistakenly thinks there is enough room in the single lane.

HOWEVER, taking the lane means the lane closest to the shoulder, it DOES NOT mean the entire MMP or both lanes of a road with two lanes in the same direction. If they fan out across the entire MMP then they deserve all the criticism they receive.

[BigSteph]

I use these engagements to remind myself to clean my front and rear windows with washer fluid. Sometimes when I pass them, I find I have drained my entire reservoir, but my windows are spotless -- enabling me to see other hazards on the road with clarity.


There is an entire philosophy within the cyclist community regarding "Taking The Lane." I don't mean the Mom or Dad who take their kids out for a ride, or the guy on a beach cruiser tooling around town. I mean the large pelotons of spandex-covered Lance Armstrong wanna-bes who can hardly be troubled to stop at a red light because of the inconvenience of unclipping their little clickety-clack ballet shoes from their pedals.

"Taking The Lane" is their defensive response to cars, wherein they do not move to the right, they will not share a lane - their practice is to take the entire lane because they feel entitled to it and because they feel it enhances their safety. Not sure what studies support that if any.

They are not interested in "Sharing the road," they are interested in making the road theirs entirely.

Well, they should use the road then, and stay off the MMPs. Those are for dad and the kids on a bike or the beach cruiser guy tooling around to share with golf cars and pedestrians of all sorts.

[jimmy o]

I’m a casual bicyclist living in Well Point. The route that I pedal follows the MMP nearly exclusively. On several occasions, I have come up behind someone walking along the right-side of the path. I ring my bell several times to alert them of my approach. I give them a wide berth, of course, and note that they are wearing earbuds. Did they even hear my bell, my approach, or my “good morning” greeting?

Wasn’t it common practice to walk facing oncoming traffic? The cyclist (or golf car driver) and the pedestrian can each see the other’s approach. The pedestrian can be sure that the approaching ‘vehicle’ is giving them ample clearance.

I think that MMPs have room for everyone that chooses to use them.
You are correct, one should walk facing traffic. Its safer and even written in all “rules of the road”.

[Switter]

Taking the lane by riding in the center of the lane helps avoid close calls by a driver who mistakenly thinks there is enough room in the single lane.

You explained it better than I did in my post. As you said, this applies to the MMP as well. A lot of the things that we think are "courtesies," like moving to the right of the lane and waving people past, actually create more safety risks.

[Bill14564]

You explained it better than I did in my post. As you said, this applies to the MMP as well. A lot of the things that we think are "courtesies," like moving to the right of the lane and waving people past, actually create more safety risks.

Absolutely. I try to avoid creating post that read, "yeah, what he said," but yeah, I agree with what you wrote in your earlier post. I do think some cyclists confuse "taking the lane" with "taking the entire MMP" which is a shame.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Yes, they absolutely do, that is the law.
Then there's a pet peeve of mine: cyclists on an MMP that wave me to go past. I will pass that cyclist when I feel it is safe and after I have assessed the situation. I do not need their permission , some think this is a courtesy, but I find it is arrogant for them to think they have the right to control my movements.


I've done this on my bicycle. My reasoning has nothing to do with your assumption though. It IS a courtesy. It's my way of saying:

"I know I can't go close to the 20mph speed limit, and this might frustrate you. So I'm informing you now, that if you wish to pass me, I am prepared to pull over and stop so you can pass safely. Or I can slow down further, or move closer to the edge of the road, depending on where we happen to be at the moment. I also would like for you to pass me sooner rather than later, so I can pay all my attention to what's ahead of me, and not worry about someone tailgating me in a vehicle that can flatten me to the pavement should I need to stop short for any reason. This is a symbiotic relationship, and I want you to know that I am actively doing my part, and see you, and acknowledge you."

I mean, if this is a problem for you, let me know which golf cart you drive and send me a picture of yourself. I'll just stay in the middle of the lane, doing my 8-12mph, until I get to my destination and you can just deal with having to cross to the other side of the road into oncoming traffic if you want to pass me. I'm fine with that too. I have good brakes, I can stop on a dime if you and oncoming traffic have an argument and you end up flying through your windshield onto my side of the road.

[bragones]

Anyone who chooses to walk in the direction of/with traffic flow might want to know about an incident that happened here a few years ago. Two walkers were walking in cart/bike lane in the direction of traffic flow. Two carts were following behind the walkers. The cart directly behind the walkers decided to pull out into the road to pass the walkers. The cart directly behind that cart didn't have enough time to react and consequently plowed into the pedestrians, killing one of them.

[Topspinmo]

Anyone who chooses to walk in the direction of/with traffic flow might want to know about an incident that happened here a few years ago. Two walkers were walking in cart/bike lane in the direction of traffic flow. Two carts were following behind the walkers. The cart directly behind the walkers decided to pull out into the road to pass the walkers. The cart directly behind that cart didn't have enough time to react and consequently plowed into the pedestrians, killing one of them.


Shouldn’t have been tail gating and watching road.

Why you walk on edge facing traffic ready to step or jump off in case of close encounter. When walker walk two and three abreast and won’t fall in single file when Traffic approaching THEY are creating safety hazard no different than golf cart driver brazing speeding down road and passing on blind curves.

[Runway48]

If you're not a golfer, why bother with a golf cart and all the nonsense of MMPs? If you need wind in your hair, you can get a used Miata or Mini Cooper convertible for the price of new golf cart. They're easy to park, will go further and last longer and have creature comforts for the times when the weather is not cooperating with open air driving and with TV expanding you won't need to pack provisions to travel from one end to the other. I get the fun factor of golf carts but when I've driven them, they remind me of a homemade go-kart I had as a kid except they handle worse but stop better. Both provided a heavy dose of exhaust fumes.

[Bill14564]

If you're not a golfer, why bother with a golf cart and all the nonsense of MMPs? If you need wind in your hair, you can get a used Miata or Mini Cooper convertible for the price of new golf cart. They're easy to park, will go further and last longer and have creature comforts for the times when the weather is not cooperating with open air driving and with TV expanding you won't need to pack provisions to travel from one end to the other. I get the fun factor of golf carts but when I've driven them, they remind me of a homemade go-kart I had as a kid except they handle worse but stop better. Both provided a heavy dose of exhaust fumes.

Over 2,000 miles/year on the cart (actually growing) and never touched a golf club.

- Cheaper to operate (50mpg for gas, about $0.01/mile for electric)
- Easier to park (four carts to one parking spot vice one car per parking spot)
- Cheaper to insure

For me, the cart is more fun for short trips and a larger car is more comfortable for longer trips. The Miata would be a toy but not very practical.

[VApeople]

We're seeing frequently confused people around Wellpoint due to many new residents (including Middleton) and Lifestyle visitors.


It was like that when Edna's first opened and there was a walking trail around Hogeye Sink.

That was the first trail that did not allow golf carts. People would drive down the MMP alongside the turnpike and then drive their golf carts down to Edna's. On more than one occasion, we would tell them golf carts were not allowed on the walking trail and they would turn around.

After awhile, TV put in an impassable barrier so the golf carts could not leave the MMP and drive down to Edna's, so now that trail is only used by walkers and bikers.

[Normal]

It was like that when Edna's first opened and there was a walking trail around Hogeye Sink.

That was the first trail that did not allow golf carts.

After awhile, TV put in an impassable barrier so the golf carts could not leave the MMP and drive down to Edna's, so now that trail is only used by walkers and bikers.

Walking MMPs are a different beast. The OP really didn’t make anything unambiguous and never clarified what type of MMP they were talking about. Walking trails and golf cart paths both have different customs and courtesies.

[golfing eagles]

I've done this on my bicycle. My reasoning has nothing to do with your assumption though. It IS a courtesy. It's my way of saying:

"I know I can't go close to the 20mph speed limit, and this might frustrate you. So I'm informing you now, that if you wish to pass me, I am prepared to pull over and stop so you can pass safely. Or I can slow down further, or move closer to the edge of the road, depending on where we happen to be at the moment. I also would like for you to pass me sooner rather than later, so I can pay all my attention to what's ahead of me, and not worry about someone tailgating me in a vehicle that can flatten me to the pavement should I need to stop short for any reason. This is a symbiotic relationship, and I want you to know that I am actively doing my part, and see you, and acknowledge you."

I mean, if this is a problem for you, let me know which golf cart you drive and send me a picture of yourself. I'll just stay in the middle of the lane, doing my 8-12mph, until I get to my destination and you can just deal with having to cross to the other side of the road into oncoming traffic if you want to pass me. I'm fine with that too. I have good brakes, I can stop on a dime if you and oncoming traffic have an argument and you end up flying through your windshield onto my side of the road.

Like I said, some people think it is a courtesy. Take the middle of the MMP at 7 mph and you will receive a discourtesy :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[bob47]

I've done this on my bicycle. My reasoning has nothing to do with your assumption though. It IS a courtesy. It's my way of saying:

"I know I can't go close to the 20mph speed limit, and this might frustrate you. So I'm informing you now, that if you wish to pass me, I am prepared to pull over and stop so you can pass safely. Or I can slow down further, or move closer to the edge of the road, depending on where we happen to be at the moment. I also would like for you to pass me sooner rather than later, so I can pay all my attention to what's ahead of me, and not worry about someone tailgating me in a vehicle that can flatten me to the pavement should I need to stop short for any reason. This is a symbiotic relationship, and I want you to know that I am actively doing my part, and see you, and acknowledge you."

I mean, if this is a problem for you, let me know which golf cart you drive and send me a picture of yourself. I'll just stay in the middle of the lane, doing my 8-12mph, until I get to my destination and you can just deal with having to cross to the other side of the road into oncoming traffic if you want to pass me. I'm fine with that too. I have good brakes, I can stop on a dime if you and oncoming traffic have an argument and you end up flying through your windshield onto my side of the road.

You have a knack for making the essence and the nuances of a situation understandable. Maybe you had a career in writing. If not, it would be a good second career.

[bragones]

I've done this on my bicycle. My reasoning has nothing to do with your assumption though. It IS a courtesy. It's my way of saying:

"I know I can't go close to the 20mph speed limit, and this might frustrate you. So I'm informing you now, that if you wish to pass me, I am prepared to pull over and stop so you can pass safely. Or I can slow down further, or move closer to the edge of the road, depending on where we happen to be at the moment. I also would like for you to pass me sooner rather than later, so I can pay all my attention to what's ahead of me, and not worry about someone tailgating me in a vehicle that can flatten me to the pavement should I need to stop short for any reason. This is a symbiotic relationship, and I want you to know that I am actively doing my part, and see you, and acknowledge you."

I mean, if this is a problem for you, let me know which golf cart you drive and send me a picture of yourself. I'll just stay in the middle of the lane, doing my 8-12mph, until I get to my destination and you can just deal with having to cross to the other side of the road into oncoming traffic if you want to pass me. I'm fine with that too. I have good brakes, I can stop on a dime if you and oncoming traffic have an argument and you end up flying through your windshield onto my side of the road.

Very well said! I ride at an average speed of 18MPH. It's a speed that will take a cart a little bit longer to pass me making for a potentially dangerous situation. If someone is riding my tail, I speed up to about 20MPH until I see a clear, straight path ahead. I then slow down significantly, pull to the side and wave the cart behind me on. I do it as a courtesy, not arrogance. I've yet to have anyone not wave and thank me for the courtesy extended. When I get my first discourteous response, I will likely have met the poster who responded your post.

[Switter]

A little off-topic but just north of Belleview is the Santos bike trail. It's awesome. A paved, winding, 16 mile long asphalt path that goes through the woods. It's mostly shaded and smells like a pine forest. You don't have to worry about golf carts or cars. It's best to go there during the week because I guess it gets pretty busy on the weekend. I actually like it better than the withlacoochee in Inverness (which is straight as a board and a tad boring) and it's definitely safer than the MMPs. Unfortunately you have to drive to it but it's definitely worth popping up there once in a while.

It even has a ton of mountain bike paths that branch off the asphalt if that's your thing.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

If you're not a golfer, why bother with a golf cart and all the nonsense of MMPs? If you need wind in your hair, you can get a used Miata or Mini Cooper convertible for the price of new golf cart. They're easy to park, will go further and last longer and have creature comforts for the times when the weather is not cooperating with open air driving and with TV expanding you won't need to pack provisions to travel from one end to the other. I get the fun factor of golf carts but when I've driven them, they remind me of a homemade go-kart I had as a kid except they handle worse but stop better. Both provided a heavy dose of exhaust fumes.

Because this is a golf cart community. Why should I have to deal with a traffic light and a roundabout to get across a major roadway (441) to the town square, when I can just ride over the golf cart bridge and park on the other side, and poof - I'm there?

Why would you move to a golf cart community if you have no intention of driving a golf cart everywhere?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Like I said, some people think it is a courtesy. Take the middle of the MMP at 7 mph and you will receive a discourtesy :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The middle of MY SIDE of the MMP? I have the -right- to take it, as a bicycle rider. I have the right to own the lane, as a bicycle rider. However - as a COURTESY - I'll wave you on if I think you might want to pass me, and then I'll move over and either stay to the edge, or stop entirely, depending on the situation, so that you can pass safely.

That IS a courtesy.

[VApeople]

Why would you move to a golf cart community if you have no intention of driving a golf cart everywhere?

Because we don't think TV is a "golf cart community" just because one little sign way up north says it is,

We enjoy driving our cars wherever we go in TV. We have been here 9 years and have never wanted a golf cart.

[Bill14564]

Because we don't think TV is a "golf cart community" just because one little sign way up north says it is,


The signs are everywhere, you just haven't been paying attention....

If that is the only sign that reads, "a golf cart community," there are many other indications that this community was built for golf carts:

The FAQ on thevillages.com mentions getting around by golf carts several times
There are MMPs here that I never see elsewhere.
There are golf cart bridges here that I never see elsewhere.
There are the "diamond" lanes along the roadways here that I rarely see elsewhere.
There are signs at the end (not beginning) of the "diamond" lanes indicating that golf carts must merge
There are signs at most gates and several intersections indicating that golf carts cannot proceed beyond a certain point.
There are certain amenities that have only golf cart parking.
I have read here about certain starter shacks that have no convenient parking for automobiles.


We enjoy driving our cars wherever we go in TV. We have been here 9 years and have never wanted a golf cart.

Ain't it great that you are free to make that choice?

[dougjb]

All this machismo talk about my lane, my rights, tough luck to anyone else...is not very friendly.

Share the darn lane! Everyone, walkers, bikers, people with walkers/crutches, golf carts...has a right to use the MMP's. Period.

If those of you who claim it is only for golf carts, then perhaps the MMP's should be restricted to only those carts carrying golf clubs on their way to a golf cart should be able to use the MMP's. That is plain stupid.

Share the road and be mindful of others who are not traveling at the same speed as you are. Do NOT run over pedestrians...ever! Do NOT curse out others! Share the MMP's.

[VApeople]

Share the MMP's.

Or stay off the MMPs. After a 200 yard walk on an MMP about 7 years ago, we learned to stay off of them entirely.

[VApeople]

Ain't it great that you are free to make that choice?

Yes it certainly is!!

We are the happiest we have ever been and we are just looking forward to our 54th wedding anniversary.

[Topspinmo]

Because we don't think TV is a "golf cart community" just because one little sign way up north says it is,

We enjoy driving our cars wherever we go in TV. We have been here 9 years and have never wanted a golf cart.


One out of hundred….:gc:

[Topspinmo]

All this machismo talk about my lane, my rights, tough luck to anyone else...is not very friendly.

Share the darn lane! Everyone, walkers, bikers, people with walkers/crutches, golf carts...has a right to use the MMP's. Period.

If those of you who claim it is only for golf carts, then perhaps the MMP's should be restricted to only those carts carrying golf clubs on their way to a golf cart should be able to use the MMP's. That is plain stupid.

Share the road and be mindful of others who are not traveling at the same speed as you are. Do NOT run over pedestrians...ever! Do NOT curse out others! Share the MMP's.

Ther are ones that share and mindful, then there the hogs. :highfive:

[golfing eagles]

Very well said! I ride at an average speed of 18MPH. It's a speed that will take a cart a little bit longer to pass me making for a potentially dangerous situation. If someone is riding my tail, I speed up to about 20MPH until I see a clear, straight path ahead. I then slow down significantly, pull to the side and wave the cart behind me on. I do it as a courtesy, not arrogance. I've yet to have anyone not wave and thank me for the courtesy extended. When I get my first discourteous response, I will likely have met the poster who responded your post.

OK, why do you speed up????? If someone is "riding your tail", can't they see a "clear straight path" ahead just as well as you. Now, I always wave and thank the courteous cyclists as well. But my own personal thought is more along the lines of "I can see ahead as well, if not better than you. I am as good, if not better driver than you. I do not need you to dictate to me when I can pass. I will pass when I think it is safe, NOT YOU. YOU do not get to tell me what to do, nor do you control my actions. Just maintain your speed and I will decide my next move." And my apologies to Orange--I thought she was referring to riding down the middle of the entire path, not just her lane.

[Reeds]

On behalf of the walkers, THANK YOU for giving an audible! The other day while walking the Hogeye, there were no less than 9 bicyclists who passed me. NOT ONE gave an audible. I do not wear earbuds, nor do I have any type of hearing issues so I would have heard if an audible was given. I normally walk on the left side-facing traffic but when other walkers are approaching, I cross to the right side (seems no one knows they will be safer walking on the left).
So here's a friendly reminder to anyone using the MMP's:

Walkers - walk on the left- facing any potential oncoming traffic. This way, you are not surprised by a bike rider seemingly coming out of nowhere. Additionally, when you are on a path that allows golf cars, you will be in the habit of facing them.

Bicyclists - ride on the right and give an audible (ring a bell, say "on your left", etc) when approaching those on foot from behind. Your radio or two of you chatting while you ride is not sufficient. Do not assume someone hears you coming. Those with e-bikes should slow down when approaching those on foot. If you're going too fast, you could lose control should someone (or their pet) decide to cross the path.

Golf Car drivers - SLOW DOWN when approaching those on foot or on bikes and give them a wide berth when passing. There can be blind curves and when you are speeding around them, you never know whether you may encounter someone unexpectedly and they might be walking a furry friend that is a couple of feet away from the.

Thank you for bringing up this topic. It gave me an opportunity to rant LOL.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

OK, why do you speed up????? If someone is "riding your tail", can't they see a "clear straight path" ahead just as well as you. Now, I always wave and thank the courteous cyclists as well. But my own personal thought is more along the lines of "I can see ahead as well, if not better than you. I am as good, if not better driver than you. I do not need you to dictate to me when I can pass. I will pass when I think it is safe, NOT YOU. YOU do not get to tell me what to do, nor do you control my actions. Just maintain your speed and I will decide my next move." And my apologies to Orange--I thought she was referring to riding down the middle of the entire path, not just her lane.

Accepted. No I'd never straddle the road. That's just asking for trouble. In fact some of us folks in my neighborhood - for some reason I just can't figure out - tend to gather in the middle of our street to chit-chat. If I'm with the "collective" I try to corral them to the side of the road but you know how stubborn old people can get! When someone comes down in a vehicle the ladies do move over to let the vehicle through. It's a strange phenomenon here. Makes me nervous but miraculously, there haven't even been any close calls in the 6 years I've been living here.

[tophcfa]

As both an advid cyclist and someone who uses a golf cart almost exclusively for transportation, I have my own take on the interaction between bikes and golf carts on the MMP’s.

As a cyclist, I ride for exercise, not transportation. I plan my bike rides to avoid the MMP’s as much as possible as I find riding through the vast network of low traffic residential neighborhoods to be much more relaxing and enjoyable. When I do find myself having to go on a MMP, I am constantly checking the rear view mirror on my bike. Whenever I see a golf cart approaching, I slow down and pull way over to the side and waive them by. I don’t do this because I think I’m better at determining when it’s safe to pass me. I do this because it’s common courtesy and I want to make it as safe as possible for the cart to pass me. I fully understand that the cart drivers can go faster than I ride (on a regular, non motorized bike), they have someplace to go, and I don’t want to be that selfish bike rider that erroneously thinks my time is more important than theirs.

As a cart driver, I respect bikers right to use the MMP’s, but also fully expect them to respect the fact that they are sharing the path, they don’t own it. Cyclists should always be fully aware of when they are slowing down golf cart traffic and make it as easy as possible for carts to pass them when they are slowing someone down. Cyclists that slow down traffic flow and make absolutely no effort to rectify the situation, or worse, purposely block people from passing them, create a very dangerous situation. Many Villagers utilize the MMP’s almost exclusively for transportation, often traveling many miles at a time. When someone has been driving for over a half hour and has gotten stuck behind numerous cyclists (especially groups) that don’t allow carts to pass, patience eventually wears very thin. The worst is when multiple carts get stuck behind inconsiderate cyclists, with no possibility of getting by them. That is what causes people to lose their patients and take risks that shouldn’t be necessary if the bikers would simply recognize the situation and let traffic pass.

[bragones]

OK, why do you speed up????? If someone is "riding your tail", can't they see a "clear straight path" ahead just as well as you. Now, I always wave and thank the courteous cyclists as well. But my own personal thought is more along the lines of "I can see ahead as well, if not better than you. I am as good, if not better driver than you. I do not need you to dictate to me when I can pass. I will pass when I think it is safe, NOT YOU. YOU do not get to tell me what to do, nor do you control my actions. Just maintain your speed and I will decide my next move." And my apologies to Orange--I thought she was referring to riding down the middle of the entire path, not just her lane.

I speed up to cart speed because if a cart is close behind me and the passing situation looks dicey, I don't want to inconvenience them or cause them to get impatient and potentially make a move that's dangerous for both of us. Being on a bike, I get the short end of a reckless cart driver. I usually slow down and pull over very quickly to make for a safer passing situation. When I wave a cart on, I am not telling them what to do. I am suggesting that I see, and I'm creating, an opportunity to pass that looks safer than passing me when I'm in the middle of my lane doing 18MPH. Should a cart driver not take that opportunity, I'd move back into the center of my lane and continue my cadence speed, but it is rare (never?) that a cart driver hasn't take an opportunity that I've created for their convenience and what I believe to be, our respective safety.

[Topspinmo]

Taking the lane is a legitimate thing for cyclists to do according to Florida law. The law requires leaving at least three feet of space between you and the bicycle when passing. Most automobile lanes are not wide enough to "share the lane" and MMP lanes aren't even close. Taking the lane by riding in the center of the lane helps avoid close calls by a driver who mistakenly thinks there is enough room in the single lane.

HOWEVER, taking the lane means the lane closest to the shoulder, it DOES NOT mean the entire MMP or both lanes of a road with two lanes in the same direction. If they fan out across the entire MMP then they deserve all the criticism they receive.


What if lane not marked? Which seems the whole path is one lane?

[Bill14564]

What if lane not marked? Which seems the whole path is one lane?

Do you often have head-on crashes with oncoming golf carts?

[golfing eagles]

I speed up to cart speed because if a cart is close behind me and the passing situation looks dicey, I don't want to inconvenience them or cause them to get impatient and potentially make a move that's dangerous for both of us. Being on a bike, I get the short end of a reckless cart driver. I usually slow down and pull over very quickly to make for a safer passing situation. When I wave a cart on, I am not telling them what to do. I am suggesting that I see, and I'm creating, an opportunity to pass that looks safer than passing me when I'm in the middle of my lane doing 18MPH. Should a cart driver not take that opportunity, I'd move back into the center of my lane and continue my cadence speed, but it is rare (never?) that a cart driver hasn't take an opportunity that I've created for their convenience and what I believe to be, our respective safety.

Again, it's YOU see, YOU create, YOU decide it's safe. Thank you, but I don't need your help and I certainly don't need YOU to decide for ME. I will make my own decisions. I do understand what you're saying, and it is courteous. I'm just of the opinion that I am responsible for my actions, and if there is an incident, I don't want to explain to the sheriff that "The cyclist indicated to me that it was safe"

[CFrance]

Again, it's YOU see, YOU create, YOU decide it's safe. Thank you, but I don't need your help and I certainly don't need YOU to decide for ME. I will make my own decisions. I do understand what you're saying, and it is courteous. I'm just of the opinion that I am responsible for my actions, and if there is an incident, I don't want to explain to the sheriff that "The cyclist indicated to me that it was safe"
He's not deciding for anyone . He's indicating what he sees ahead. Give it a rest.

[golfing eagles]

He's not deciding for anyone . He's indicating what he sees ahead. Give it a rest.

Generally, those cyclists are not "indicating", they are DICTATING. I don't care for it and I will not "give it a rest". When they blow through a stop sign forcing a car or cart to jam on their brakes, they are not "indicating", they have already decided FOR you. When they spread out across both the diamond lane and the car lane in a group of 20+, they are not "indicating", they are DICTATING. Again, not most, but some. And I'm sorry if some people don't see that relying on the cyclist's judgement rather than their own can cause problems if there is an accident. I don't see anyone having much of a chance with the excuse "the bicyclist said it was OK", because my first question as a LEO would be "What did YOU think?"

[Happydaz]

Wow! A lot of anger expressed here. Maybe some meditation or quiet time would be good. Get away from electronic devices and destress. Anyway, that is what I try to do.

[CFrance]

Wow! A lot of anger expressed here. Maybe some meditation or quiet time would be good. Get away from electronic devices and destress. Anyway, that is what I try to do.
Excellent advice.

[Topspinmo]

Do you often have head-on crashes with oncoming golf carts?

No I posted for your benefit…. :highfive:

[MplsPete]

...There's not a walker or biker (not on an E-bike) that can move 20 mph. ...

Back about 30-40 years ago, when I was in very good shape, I had a Trek 1000 bike, a fairly good "racer" but not exceptional (<$400) and to challenge myself, I decided to try to bike 20 miles in sixty minutes. In an urban environment. I did it. Many bikers can exceed 20 mph for short bursts, and plenty can do it for a sustained time.
Wish I could still do that.

[BillyGrown]

Are there really any major issues on walking path MMPs not associated near roadways? We only see bicycles and motorized scooters. There really isn’t a right or a left side priority because the paths are about half the width of MMPs designed for golf carts too. We have had bicycles without bells wiz by us on occasion but that’s about it.

[VApeople]

walking path MMPs

What is a "walking path MMP"?

[Bill14564]

What is a "walking path MMP"?

Probably refers to a walking/biking path, more common south of 44.

[BillyGrown]

What is a "walking path MMP"?

The paved walkways with 2 poles at their entrances instead of one.Golf carts aren’t permitted on them. We have them south of 44. Like I said scooters and bicycles are common on them. There are quite a few south of 44. Pedestrians have the right of way as usual.

[Laker14]

The walkers that are in danger are the ones walking into traffic around the numerous blind curves on MMP. Use the outside lane so you can see better and be seen.

you are correct, IMO. I do that in that specific circumstance but I usually stay on the grass. Also keep my head on a swivel for traffic behind me. But generally, I walk facing the traffic on the left edge of the MMP.