No more flouride in public water sources

[ithos]

DeSantis signs bill making Florida second state to ban fluoride from its water system - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/desantis-signs-bill-making-florida-2nd-state-ban-121846716)

Long past due:

Conclusions: NTP concludes that fluoride is presumed to be a cognitive neurodevelopmental hazard to humans. This conclusion is based on a consistent pattern of findings in human studies across several different populations showing that higher fluoride exposure is associated with decreased IQ or other cognitive impairments in children.

Systematic review of epidemiological and toxicological evidence on health effects of fluoride in drinking water - PubMed (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38318766/)
Why I Changed My Mind on Water Fluoridation (https://nutritionfacts.org/video/why-i-changed-my-mind-on-water-fluoridation/)

[HappyTraveler]

DeSantis signs bill making Florida second state to ban fluoride from its water system - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/desantis-signs-bill-making-florida-2nd-state-ban-121846716)

Long past due:



Agreed that this is long overdue. There's a very strong argument that it was always big brother over-reach. We'll handle our own dental care.

[Bill14564]

DeSantis signs bill making Florida second state to ban fluoride from its water system - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/desantis-signs-bill-making-florida-2nd-state-ban-121846716)

Long past due:

Conclusions: NTP concludes that fluoride is presumed to be a cognitive neurodevelopmental hazard to humans. This conclusion is based on a consistent pattern of findings in human studies across several different populations showing that higher fluoride exposure is associated with decreased IQ or other cognitive impairments in children.

Page not found - ASDWA (https://www.asdwa.org/wp-)
Why I Changed My Mind on Water Fluoridation (https://nutritionfacts.org/video/why-i-changed-my-mind-on-water-fluoridation/)

Interesting to read the articles and the study once I found the correct link. Doesn’t say quite what confirmation bias asserts.

[Buckeyephan]

Well, none of my three kids had any cavities. When my sister and I went to the dentist as children, it wasn’t a question of if we had any cavities. It was how many. My niece lives in the country and has a well. Her children took fluoride supplements. I understand they want to ban those, too.

[tophcfa]

When I asked my dentist about banning fluoride she said she thought it was a very bad idea. She said it’s always better for her patients to prevent cavities than to have to pay her to fix them.

[ithos]

Interesting to read the articles and the study once I found the correct link. Doesn’t say quite what confirmation bias asserts.

Sorry about that.
Systematic review of epidemiological and toxicological evidence on health effects of fluoride in drinking water - PubMed (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38318766/)

[shaw8700@outlook.com]

I was disappointed when I read this. I don’t know why RFK is against fluoride.

[ithos]

I was disappointed when I read this. I don’t know why RFK is against fluoride.

Because it has significant risks including reduced IQ and Fluorosis.

Fluorosis can happen if you ingest too much fluoride over a long period of time. Dental fluorosis causes tooth discoloration. You can correct it with cosmetic treatment. Skeletal fluorosis affects your bones and joints. It can cause pain, stiffness and bone deformities. Treatment involves removing the source of fluoride and managing symptoms.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23227-fluorosis

[Battlebasset]

I was disappointed when I read this. I don’t know why RFK is against fluoride.

Fluoride in water came about when fluoride in toothpaste was just starting as well. If you are using fluoride toothpaste, fluoride rinse, and fluoride treatments from your dentist, your teeth are getting plenty. And seeing that is the only part of your body that benefits from fluoride, why expose any other part when there are concerns about its safety?

FYI I live in Sumter. They already don't add fluoride.

[Bill14564]

Because it has significant risks including reduced IQ and Fluorosis.

Fluorosis can happen if you ingest too much fluoride over a long period of time. Dental fluorosis causes tooth discoloration. You can correct it with cosmetic treatment. Skeletal fluorosis affects your bones and joints. It can cause pain, stiffness and bone deformities. Treatment involves removing the source of fluoride and managing symptoms.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23227-fluorosis

From the same article:

In the United States, many areas have water with fluoride levels below 0.7 mg/L. That’s why so many local governments add it to the drinking water. But in other regions of the world, like parts of Asia and Africa, natural groundwater contains excessive amounts of fluoride. In India, the average concentration in drinking water is around 2.37 mg/L, and the highest recorded level is 9.22 mg/L. People living in these areas are far more likely to develop fluorosis compared to people living in the U.S

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Fluoride in water came about when fluoride in toothpaste was just starting as well. If you are using fluoride toothpaste, fluoride rinse, and fluoride treatments from your dentist, your teeth are getting plenty. And seeing that is the only part of your body that benefits from fluoride, why expose any other part when there are concerns about its safety?

FYI I live in Sumter. They already don't add fluoride.

They don't add fluoride to the water here in Lady Lake either. I do notice though there are a LOT more dentists in both counties, compared with Connecticut. Dentists LOVE areas where there's no fluoride added to the water. They make more money with fillings, cracked teeth, enamel loss, and root canals.

I have gum disease and bone loss in my jaw. It's mostly genetic. But my teeth are in great shape, haven't had cavities in over a decade and I think I've had a total of four cavities in my entire life. Our area had fluoridated water.

[Arctic Fox]

Fluoride in water came about when fluoride in toothpaste was just starting as well. If you are using fluoride toothpaste, fluoride rinse, and fluoride treatments from your dentist, your teeth are getting plenty.

And there's the problem.

If people had just stuck with drinking the water then the fluoride was doing a great job. But they fell for the marketing hype of the toothpaste manufacturers, the rinse manufacturers and their dentists and assumed that if a small amount of something was good then a large amount was excellent.

I suspect that most people in TV are relatively well-off and can afford all of these "extras", but for many people the fluoride in the drinking water is the only fluoride that they are getting.

[Tathom]

But ppl don’t drink the fluoridated mouthrinses and don’t ingest their toothpaste, only marginally if not spitting well . Good luck with the dental exam !

[Berwin]

So, how did we come to put fluoride in our water? Scientists eventually noticed that in some regions, people had fewer cavities than in other regions. After looking for why this was, it was discovered that those regions where people had fewer cavities had natural fluoride in the water. Doing more research, it turns out that fluoride makes teeth stronger and therefore more resistant to cavities. So, municipalities started adding fluoride to the drinking water and the rate of cavities dropped significantly. I'm 70 and have had only one cavity - which occurred when I was living overseas for four years serving in the Army.

[MandoMan]

DeSantis signs bill making Florida second state to ban fluoride from its water system - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/desantis-signs-bill-making-florida-2nd-state-ban-121846716)

Long past due:

Conclusions: NTP concludes that fluoride is presumed to be a cognitive neurodevelopmental hazard to humans. This conclusion is based on a consistent pattern of findings in human studies across several different populations showing that higher fluoride exposure is associated with decreased IQ or other cognitive impairments in children.

Systematic review of epidemiological and toxicological evidence on health effects of fluoride in drinking water - PubMed (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38318766/)
Why I Changed My Mind on Water Fluoridation (https://nutritionfacts.org/video/why-i-changed-my-mind-on-water-fluoridation/)

That was an interesting video. Meanwhile, most of us brush our teeth with fluoride toothpaste, and I don’t spit—I swallow. Also, when our teeth are cleaned, the dentist recommends painting our teeth with fluoride mixed with something like lacquer that wears off in a day but puts a lot of fluoride right on the teeth. Thus, banning fluoridated water won’t keep my teeth from being fluoridated. (Some bottled water is also fluoridated.)

There are certainly a lot of kids in Fluorida who aren’t all that bright and who really need every IQ point they can get. However, their IQs will be much higher if their parents work at raising them. My parents read to my siblings and I every day for an hour or more. I was encouraged to read challenging books daily as soon as I could read. I grew up around interesting grown-up conversation, and dinner was the time to not only eat but discuss ideas and world affairs. Restricting cell phone and computer and video game use and television and sports and requiring study of many subjects will raise scores on IQ tests. By the way, the IQ tests reported were given to kids who were 3-4, and that’s an age when intense home education effort from parents really pays off.

[Prpcmom]

Am I the only one who noticed that the study cited includes just 300 subjects, 2/3 of which were not human?? This is simply not a large enough sample size to draw the conclusions to extrapolate to a population of millions!

[RoboVil]

I was disappointed when I read this. I don’t know why RFK is against fluoride.
We have known for a decade or more that fluoride increases bone fracture risk. The higher the fluoride content in the water the more increased risk. Seems it affects the 3D structure of bone making them more brittle despite actually increasing bone density.

[Cliff Fr]

Just use flouride toothpaste if your concerned

[Michael 61]

Great news - our water supply needs to remain feee of additives. If one wants fluoride, there are ways to get it.

[kingofbeer]

DeSantis signs bill making Florida second state to ban fluoride from its water system - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/desantis-signs-bill-making-florida-2nd-state-ban-121846716)

Long past due:

Conclusions: NTP concludes that fluoride is presumed to be a cognitive neurodevelopmental hazard to humans. This conclusion is based on a consistent pattern of findings in human studies across several different populations showing that higher fluoride exposure is associated with decreased IQ or other cognitive impairments in children.

Systematic review of epidemiological and toxicological evidence on health effects of fluoride in drinking water - PubMed (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38318766/)
Why I Changed My Mind on Water Fluoridation (https://nutritionfacts.org/video/why-i-changed-my-mind-on-water-fluoridation/)
There is fluoride in my toothpaste. Is there toothpaste without fluoride in it. Is there fluoride in beer?

[kingofbeer]

That was an interesting video. Meanwhile, most of us brush our teeth with fluoride toothpaste, and I don’t spit—I swallow. Also, when our teeth are cleaned, the dentist recommends painting our teeth with fluoride mixed with something like lacquer that wears off in a day but puts a lot of fluoride right on the teeth. Thus, banning fluoridated water won’t keep my teeth from being fluoridated. (Some bottled water is also fluoridated.)

There are certainly a lot of kids in Fluorida who aren’t all that bright and who really need every IQ point they can get. However, their IQs will be much higher if their parents work at raising them. My parents read to my siblings and I every day for an hour or more. I was encouraged to read challenging books daily as soon as I could read. I grew up around interesting grown-up conversation, and dinner was the time to not only eat but discuss ideas and world affairs. Restricting cell phone and computer and video game use and television and sports and requiring study of many subjects will raise scores on IQ tests. By the way, the IQ tests reported were given to kids who were 3-4, and that’s an age when intense home education effort from parents really pays off.
Never heard of anyone swallowing toothpaste spit.

[Bill14564]

We have known for a decade or more that fluoride increases bone fracture risk. The higher the fluoride content in the water the more increased risk. Seems it affects the 3D structure of bone making them more brittle despite actually increasing bone density.

What have we learned in that decade or more about the concentration of fluoride associated with increased risk of bone fractures, the concentration associated with dental benefits and the concentration in US water systems?

Just use flouride toothpaste if your concerned

Topical fluoride is much better than nothing but not the same as fluoride in the water.

[Mrs. Heck]

Agreed that this is long overdue. There's a very strong argument that it was always big brother over-reach. We'll handle our own dental care.

Fluoride is most helpful for children up to 8 years old. They need the extra fluoride to strengthen their teeth. After that is doesn’t much help adult teeth. Parents of youngsters will now need to pay for fluoride treatments, because that is not included in any dental insurance plan, and I doubt that will change. Do toothpastes contain fluoride? If yes, be sure to buy the brands that do.

[Lottoguy]

All of the dentists in the USA are in favor of this. There is a good money to make in cavities.

[Topspinmo]

From the same article:

In the United States, many areas have water with fluoride levels below 0.7 mg/L. That’s why so many local governments add it to the drinking water. But in other regions of the world, like parts of Asia and Africa, natural groundwater contains excessive amounts of fluoride. In India, the average concentration in drinking water is around 2.37 mg/L, and the highest recorded level is 9.22 mg/L. People living in these areas are far more likely to develop fluorosis compared to people living in the U.S

There other reasons I wouldn’t be drinking water in Asia, Africa, and especially in India.

[Topspinmo]

All of the dentists in the USA are in favor of this. There is a good money to make in cavities.

For people that don’t brush their teeth. Get up charge for deeeeeep cheating, opps I mean deep cleaning. Which what their supposed to do when go to dentist…

[frayedends]

We should not be putting toxins in drinking water, period. People should have a choice (and no I don't consider public water supply to be a choice). Fluoride is toxic. Notice your toothpaste says do not swallow. Now, purely anecdotal, but, since fluoride in water we have had explosions in autism. Not saying it caused it but who knows.

As far as teeth, how about stop eating sugar all day. I am on well water in Massachusetts, no fluoride and I use no-fluoride toothpaste because fluoride causes me burning mouth syndrome. I haven't had a cavity in my adult life.

[gorillarick]

Well, none of my three kids had any cavities. When my sister and I went to the dentist as children, it wasn’t a question of if we had any cavities. It was how many. My niece lives in the country and has a well. Her children took fluoride supplements. I understand they want to ban those, too.
Yeah, but kids now don't soak their teen in Coca Cola like we did ?

I remember chem class in college; professor explaining how fluoride is in the same column (Periodic Table) as chloride.
Body can't tell the difference, and will harden arteries.
Chloride is an electrolyte (necessary), and is part of salt (NaCl) sodium chloride.
Dunno, but makes sense.

[Bill14564]

We should not be putting toxins in drinking water, period. People should have a choice (and no I don't consider public water supply to be a choice). Fluoride is toxic. Notice your toothpaste says do not swallow. Now, purely anecdotal, but, since fluoride in water we have had explosions in autism. Not saying it caused it but who knows.

As far as teeth, how about stop eating sugar all day. I am on well water in Massachusetts, no fluoride and I use no-fluoride toothpaste because fluoride causes me burning mouth syndrome. I haven't had a cavity in my adult life.

Fluoride has been added to US water systems for about 75 years. The "explosion" in autism began about 20 years ago. There's not even a correlation!

Chlorine is toxic as well. Would you suggest we also stop adding chlorine to water?

[frayedends]

Fluoride has been added to US water systems for about 75 years. The "explosion" in autism began about 20 years ago. There's not even a correlation!

Chlorine is toxic as well. Would you suggest we also stop adding chlorine to water?

I stand corrected then as I didn't realize it's been that long.

Yes, there is no need to add chlorine to water. There's no chlorine in my well water.

[CybrSage]

The US uses 0.7mg/L of fluoride in the drinking water.

"Skeletal fluorosis, a condition affecting bone and joints, is more likely to occur with long-term exposure to high levels of fluoride, typically above 10 mg/day for 10 years or longer. "

[ton80]

I stand corrected then as I didn't realize it's been that long.

Yes, there is no need to add chlorine to water. There's no chlorine in my well water.

Chlorine is added to municipal water systems to kill and bacteria present in the water and prevent bacterial growth in distribution systems. Your well water hopefully is bacteria free

[Boomer]

Do not kid yourselves. This fluoride ban is nothing more than a sycophantic move. (If you need to look up sycophantic, then you should look up kakistocracy while you are at it.)

Anybody who knows anything about research knows that a study can be found to support anything you want. Access to constant information, misinformation, and dysinformation, along with that tedious "do your own research" mantra, means anybody can now deem themselves an "expert."

There is heavy funding for agendas of all kinds. We are an agenda-driven nation now and many an amygdala has been hijacked.

Lots of us boomers remember toothaches while most of our GenX kids have never had a toothache.

(Also, many boomers remember having measles and can remember the pre-measles vaccine days when exposure to rubella could cause a pregnant woman to give birth to a child with birth defects. I certainly hope that women who want children do not buy into this anti-measles vaccine thing. They could be causing risk to their future babies if they get rubella when pregnant.)

We are now a nation overrun with amnesiacs who have abdicated common sense.

I have a looooong memory. I am no Marilu Henner, but I do remember certain things clearly.......

Decades ago "Playboy" did an article on college women of the Midwest. It was determined that Miami University women had great looking teeth. (Btw, that is the Miami that was a university before Florida was a state.)

Oh well, I guess I better make a pilgrimage to Costco and start stockpiling Crest.

Boomer (who likes her smile)

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Well, none of my three kids had any cavities. When my sister and I went to the dentist as children, it wasn’t a question of if we had any cavities. It was how many. My niece lives in the country and has a well. Her children took fluoride supplements. I understand they want to ban those, too. I remember the same thing ,we would always ask that question after one of the other kids had just gone to dentist. That question for the next generation seemed to disappear, I’m afraid with the lack of affordable care for many it’s going to become a serious problem again ,especially among lower income people

[Topspinmo]

Do not kid yourselves. This fluoride ban is nothing more than a sycophantic move. (If you need to look up sycophantic, then you should look up kakistocracy while you are at it.)

Anybody who knows anything about research knows that a study can be found to support anything you want. Access to constant information, misinformation, and dysinformation, along with that tedious "do your own research" mantra, means anybody can now deem themselves an "expert."

There is heavy funding for agendas of all kinds. We are an agenda-driven nation now and many an amygdala has been hijacked.

Lots of us boomers remember toothaches while most of our GenX kids have never had a toothache.

(Also, many boomers remember having measles and can remember the pre-measles vaccine days when exposure to rubella could cause a pregnant woman to give birth to a child with birth defects. I certainly hope that women who want children do not buy into this anti-measles vaccine thing. They could be causing risk to their future babies if they get rubella when pregnant.)

We are now a nation overrun with amnesiacs who have abdicated common sense.

I have a looooong memory. I am no Marilu Henner, but I do remember certain things clearly.......

Decades ago "Playboy" did an article on college women of the Midwest. It was determined that Miami University women had great looking teeth. (Btw, that is the Miami that was a university before Florida was a state.)

Oh well, I guess I better make a pilgrimage to Costco and start stockpiling Crest.

Boomer (who likes her smile)

Playboy now that’s good source…. Maybe generation X was taught to brush their teeth after every meaL? Studies are like opinions everybody has one especially if it don’t hold same beliefs? What really was tragedy the brainwashing of society…..

I prefer Colgate or what cheapest at time. Yes, I still have 90% of my teeth.

About kakistocracy? Haven’t we been ran by incompetents for at least last 100 plus years?

[HappyTraveler]

Fluoride is most helpful for children up to 8 years old. They need the extra fluoride to strengthen their teeth. .......Parents of youngsters will now need to pay for fluoride treatments.......
Pay for flouride treatments?

Here is just one brand to choose from. Robot or human? (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Equate-Kids-Anticavity-Fluoride-Rinse-Bubble-Gum-18-fl-oz/14706665?classType=VARIANT&from=/search) (Yeessh, I don't know why Walmart produces that link text sometimes but, link is safe).

Dosage is 1/3 of an ounce once per day. Bottle is 18 ounces so that equals 54 days or flouride rinsing (in addition to flouride toothpaste) for $3.47. A bargain.

Parents want to really help their kids develop healthy teeth? Cut WAY BACK on sugar intake. That is the primary cause of cavities. Better yet, delay as long as possible getting young ones started on sugar consumption.

[eyc234]

Because it has significant risks including reduced IQ and Fluorosis.

Fluorosis can happen if you ingest too much fluoride over a long period of time. Dental fluorosis causes tooth discoloration. You can correct it with cosmetic treatment. Skeletal fluorosis affects your bones and joints. It can cause pain, stiffness and bone deformities. Treatment involves removing the source of fluoride and managing symptoms.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23227-fluorosis


Problem is too much of anything is bad not the fluoride. You can die from too much water, you can die from too much sugar and you can go on and on. How about meet the requirements and stop overdosing the water. In 10 years when kids teeth look like the moon with craters and families are paying thousands to repair teeth the cost to taxpayers will be astronomical.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Great news - our water supply needs to remain feee of additives. If one wants fluoride, there are ways to get it.

Yes, you can get it in the water. Fluoride is a naturally occurring mineral found in soil, rocks, and - water.

The water in certain areas has higher levels than in other areas. People living in those areas, who drink tap water, have been shown to have fewer cavities than people living in areas with lower levels.

That's why dentists do so well in areas with low fluoride levels in the potable water sources. Bad teeth = more profits.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I heard also that vaccines cause autism. Maybe Desantis should ban them too.

Alcohol causes alcoholism. Sun causes skin cancer. Sugar and flour cause obesity. Black pavement causes foot burns. Let's ban everything that causes bad things.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

We should not be putting toxins in drinking water, period. People should have a choice (and no I don't consider public water supply to be a choice). Fluoride is toxic. Notice your toothpaste says do not swallow. Now, purely anecdotal, but, since fluoride in water we have had explosions in autism. Not saying it caused it but who knows.

As far as teeth, how about stop eating sugar all day. I am on well water in Massachusetts, no fluoride and I use no-fluoride toothpaste because fluoride causes me burning mouth syndrome. I haven't had a cavity in my adult life.

Well water can absolutely contain it, because it's a naturally-occurring mineral that is found in rocks, soil, and water. Some well water has been found to have high levels of fluoride. You know filtered water is toxic too right? If you ingest too much of it you will die. Food is also toxic. If you eat too much your stomach can explode, and you can die. Air is also toxic. If you aren't allowed to exhale, and forced to continuously inhale, even pure oxygen, you can suffocate on it. Gold and silver are also toxic but if you're married, you probably are wearing it on your finger.

[Ptmcbriz]

Fine. However, dentists are saying we are going to need a LOT more dentists in the future and federal programs for low income to fix kids teeth. Tooth decay can actually kill you if the bacterium goes to the brain. I had a business associate die from his molar cavity suddenly becoming infected. I’ll take the flouride. Hopefully they won’t ban it from toothpaste.

[Bill14564]

I stand corrected then as I didn't realize it's been that long.

Yes, there is no need to add chlorine to water. There's no chlorine in my well water.

I was on a private well in MD. There was no chlorine in my well water.... there was also no water tower or miles of pipe in my well system BUT there was a UV disinfectant system. The well in your backyard serving one home can't be compared to a municipal water system serving thousands.

As it turns out, if you own in the Villages then there is chlorine in your well water. Villages water is well water and chlorine is added to Villages water just as most (all?) municipal water systems are.

[Ptmcbriz]

Do you have any idea how toxic Chlorine is, yet we add it to water to kill bacteria and make it clean for use. You wouldn’t pick up a bottle of chlorine and drink it. It would kill you. Now put it in water in micro increments it doesn’t harm you. Your body is able to handle it and you have clean water. It’s no different for fluoride or any chemical in vaccines or anything else. Use some logic and stop buying in to misinformation and agendas.

[bopat]

I would think that fluoride can be added to the water yourself. But once it's in the water you can't easily remove it. So for those who want it, just dab a bit of toothpaste in your water before you drink it. No big deal. Maybe it's time to make an inline fluoride dispenser, sell it and make millions!

[CybrSage]

Yeah let's take out the fluoride and put back in the forever chemicals. ???!!!

Removing fluoride does not magically ad forever chemicals. The two are not connected, it is silly to do that.

[buttonhut]

No one needs floride or the risks associated with it. The Japanese eliminated it 50 years ago and switched to NanoHydroxyapatite and the Europeans shortly thereafter. You can get the toothpaste on Amazon. Plenty of scientific evidence on youtube. It gives you the same protection without the toxins.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I would think that fluoride can be added to the water yourself. But once it's in the water you can't easily remove it. So for those who want it, just dab a bit of toothpaste in your water before you drink it. No big deal. Maybe it's time to make an inline fluoride dispenser, sell it and make millions!

I don't know how many different ways I need to say this so that it sinks in to the readership here:

Fluoride is already in the water. Even if it's not "added" to the water, it's already there. Fluoride is a natural mineral. It exists naturally in natural water, natural soil, and natural rocks. In its natural state, naturally. No additional fluoride needed.

The ONLY way to REMOVE fluoride from water is to use reverse osmosis or steam distill the water. The water, which has fluoride in it. Naturally. Because that's one of the three places fluoride comes from.

[Topspinmo]

Fluoride has been added to US water systems for about 75 years. The "explosion" in autism began about 20 years ago. There's not even a correlation!

Chlorine is toxic as well. Would you suggest we also stop adding chlorine to water?

Maybe it took couple generations to be problem? Nobody know long term effects. Seems like everything to get too much of not good for you?