United Healthcare should burn in Hell

[CoachKandSportsguy]

reuters.com (https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/unitedhealth-falls-after-report-it-secretly-paid-nursing-homes-reduce-hospital-2025-05-21)

Evil company

[retiredguy123]

reuters.com (https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/unitedhealth-falls-after-report-it-secretly-paid-nursing-homes-reduce-hospital-2025-05-21)

Evil company
I'm marking you down as "undecided" on United Healthcare.

[gatorbill1]

Best healthcare plan I have ever had!

[Aces4]

reuters.com (https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/unitedhealth-falls-after-report-it-secretly-paid-nursing-homes-reduce-hospital-2025-05-21)

Evil company

Some one appears to have an agenda... Here are further facts:

UnitedHealth said in response that "the U.S. Department of Justice investigated these allegations, interviewed witnesses, and obtained thousands of documents that demonstrated the significant factual inaccuracies in the allegations."
The company also said in an emailed statement that the DoJ declined to pursue the matter after reviewing all the evidence during its multi-year investigation.

Going out to play may help if people have a fixation.

[rustyp]

reuters.com (https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/unitedhealth-falls-after-report-it-secretly-paid-nursing-homes-reduce-hospital-2025-05-21)

Evil company

Upon reading the article you posted there appears to be two bad actors.

[Velvet]

I'm marking you down as "undecided" on United Healthcare.

Reminds me of our dean. She took a vote including all the students in the department, but when she did not like the result she cast her own vote, which represented according to her “the interests of all the future students to come” and she miraculously got the results she wanted.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Some one appears to have an agenda... Here are further facts:

UnitedHealth said in response that "the U.S. Department of Justice investigated these allegations, interviewed witnesses, and obtained thousands of documents that demonstrated the significant factual inaccuracies in the allegations."
The company also said in an emailed statement that the DoJ declined to pursue the matter after reviewing all the evidence during its multi-year investigation.

Going out to play may help if people have a fixation.

We shall see, the DOJ has dropped many cases recently which seem like a slam dunk against grifting behaviors, due to changes in administration beliefs and goals. . . so what had been dropped in the past may be reopened under different administration viewpoints. .

doesn't mean that the behaviors didn't happen. Just means that for some reason unknown at this time, that the DOJ declined to pursue prosecution.

CMS rates hospitals for readmissions for a prior procedure, rates nursing homes, skilled care facilities, for management of their population, ie sending residents out to hospitals unnecessarily, and rates insurance companies supervising their patients with case management. Insurance case managers keeping nursing / skilled care facility from sending back their patients would help with insurance reviews and therefore insurance reimbursement rates.

"follow the money" applies in this case. . . not statements defending allegations with facts subject to conditional outcomes. . .

[JohnN]

Best healthcare plan I have ever had!

I have had some serious health issues over the last 20 years and UHC has always stepped up and covered their share.

[Debfrommaine]

Best healthcare plan I have ever had!

Same here!

[Aces4]

I have had some serious health issues over the last 20 years and UHC has always stepped up and covered their share.

Same here!

[MorTech]

ObamaCare should burn in Hell...Fixed it for ya.

[mtdjed]

reuters.com (https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/unitedhealth-falls-after-report-it-secretly-paid-nursing-homes-reduce-hospital-2025-05-21)

Evil company

United Health Care problems not an issue with Supplement Plans. Medicare makes decisions, supplement plan rules determine payment. Only issue is price from different providers. That is your decision.

[jimbomaybe]

Reminds me of our dean. She took a vote including all the students in the department, but when she did not like the result she cast her own vote, which represented according to her “the interests of all the future students to come” and she miraculously got the results she wanted.
The kind of thinking that would make "Uncle JOE" proud

[Rwirish]

Has been a great copy for my medical needs.

[maggie1]

The kind of thinking that would make "Uncle JOE" proud

Geez, leave the poor guy alone. He's out of office, has prostate cancer, and his memory is shot.

[Cuervo]

Geez, leave the poor guy alone. He's out of office, has prostate cancer, and his memory is shot.

I'm happy with United Healthcare they have always taken care of my needs.
But at the end of the day all these healthcare plans are profit making companies, that is their main goal.
If you live or die is not their main concern.
The alternative is universal healthcare, which also seems to have issues.
Maybe the answer is to form a panel to study a way to deliver a profit free care system that is also problem free.

[Aviator1211]

I'm happy with United Healthcare they have always taken care of my needs.
But at the end of the day all these healthcare plans are profit making companies, that is their main goal.
If you live or die is not their main concern.
The alternative is universal healthcare, which also seems to have issues.
Maybe the answer is to form a panel to study a way to deliver a profit free care system that is also problem free.
The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

[Kathryn Putt]

United is the best Healthcare plan we've had!!

[Pugchief]

The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

^This. 100%

[Tvflguy]

This explosive rhetoric has an effect on crazy types out there. Better be very careful....


"Wikipedia":

Brian Robert Thompson[4][5] (July 10, 1974 – December 4, 2024), the CEO of the American health insurance company UnitedHealthcare, was shot and killed in Midtown Manhattan, New York City, on December 4, 2024. The shooting occurred early in the morning outside an entrance to the New York Hilton Midtown.[6] The suspect, initially described as a white man wearing a mask, fled the scene.[1] The words "delay," "deny," and "depose" were inscribed on the cartridge cases used during the shooting. Thompson had previously faced criticism for the company's rejection of insurance claims, and his family reported that he had received death threats.

On December 9, 2024, authorities arrested 26-year-old Luigi Mangione in Altoona, Pennsylvania, and charged him in a Manhattan court with Thompson's killing.[7][8][9] Authorities say that when Mangione was apprehended, he was carrying a 3D-printed pistol and a 3D-printed suppressor consistent with those used in the attack; a short handwritten letter criticizing the American healthcare system; an American passport; and multiple fraudulent IDs, including one with the same name used to check into a hostel on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.[10][11][12] Authorities also said his fingerprints matched the partial smudged prints that investigators found near the New York shooting scene.[13] Police believe that he was inspired by "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski's manifesto Industrial Society and Its Future (1995) and motivated by his own personal views on US health insurance.[14][15]

[Aces4]

The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

You're kidding, right? You want the stock market, which has to crank out a big profit constantly to pay it's something for nothing stockholders, to provide your healthcare coverage? What are some people thinking? Talk about a diminishing level of care and services with high, high premiums...

[Cuervo]

The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

You do understand that is what we have now.
Maybe it's not run by Tesla or Amazon and maybe these two companies might run more efficient, which is questionable.
But like all free-market health plans they are in this for profit not your health.
And if you are a stockholder in one of these companies you want to see your dividend climb and the way that happens is to dispense the least number of services as possible.

[Cuervo]

The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

My brother-in-law is a veteran, I am also I have chosen to use United Health Care, he on the other hand decided to use the VA for a large portion of his medical care and he claims they're excellent. Now I do not believe he would lie to me. So, if he is correct, make improvements to the VA and see if they can design a similar program for the general public.

[Topspinmo]

We shall see, the DOJ has dropped many cases recently which seem like a slam dunk against grifting behaviors, due to changes in administration beliefs and goals. . . so what had been dropped in the past may be reopened under different administration viewpoints. .

doesn't mean that the behaviors didn't happen. Just means that for some reason unknown at this time, that the DOJ declined to pursue prosecution.

CMS rates hospitals for readmissions for a prior procedure, rates nursing homes, skilled care facilities, for management of their population, ie sending residents out to hospitals unnecessarily, and rates insurance companies supervising their patients with case management. Insurance case managers keeping nursing / skilled care facility from sending back their patients would help with insurance reviews and therefore insurance reimbursement rates.

"follow the money" applies in this case. . . not statements defending allegations with facts subject to conditional outcomes. . .

IMO We know how large billion dollar corporations get out of investigations don’t we. Any insurance/supplements are shell game. How else do you think management makes millions year.

[Topspinmo]

This explosive rhetoric has an effect on crazy types out there. Better be very careful....


"Wikipedia":

Brian Robert Thompson[4][5] (July 10, 1974 – December 4, 2024), the CEO of the American health insurance company UnitedHealthcare, was shot and killed in Midtown Manhattan, New York City, on December 4, 2024. The shooting occurred early in the morning outside an entrance to the New York Hilton Midtown.[6] The suspect, initially described as a white man wearing a mask, fled the scene.[1] The words "delay," "deny," and "depose" were inscribed on the cartridge cases used during the shooting. Thompson had previously faced criticism for the company's rejection of insurance claims, and his family reported that he had received death threats.

On December 9, 2024, authorities arrested 26-year-old Luigi Mangione in Altoona, Pennsylvania, and charged him in a Manhattan court with Thompson's killing.[7][8][9] Authorities say that when Mangione was apprehended, he was carrying a 3D-printed pistol and a 3D-printed suppressor consistent with those used in the attack; a short handwritten letter criticizing the American healthcare system; an American passport; and multiple fraudulent IDs, including one with the same name used to check into a hostel on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.[10][11][12] Authorities also said his fingerprints matched the partial smudged prints that investigators found near the New York shooting scene.[13] Police believe that he was inspired by "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski's manifesto Industrial Society and Its Future (1995) and motivated by his own personal views on US health insurance.[14][15]


IMO his problem was silver spoon and over educated? had too much time on his hands (probably a career student, and now has to face reality by thinking on getting job?) cause he didn’t have to have real job and responsibilities being too busy to set around all day reading nonsense.

[fishon]

Geez, leave the poor guy alone. He's out of office, has prostate cancer, and his memory is shot.

Criminals deserve to be punished.

[jimjamuser]

My brother-in-law is a veteran, I am also I have chosen to use United Health Care, he on the other hand decided to use the VA for a large portion of his medical care and he claims they're excellent. Now I do not believe he would lie to me. So, if he is correct, make improvements to the VA and see if they can design a similar program for the general public.
I would give our local V.A. high marks. They can keep medicine costs down because of the ability to buy in volume.

[Pugchief]

You're kidding, right? You want the stock market, which has to crank out a big profit constantly to pay it's something for nothing stockholders, to provide your healthcare coverage? What are some people thinking? Talk about a diminishing level of care and services with high, high premiums...

Better than the alternative, where unelected bureaucrats make all the decisions. I have no issue with companies being profitable as long as it is done in a proper manner.

[Pugchief]

You do understand that is what we have now.


Not really. The outrageous amount of government regulation in healthcare has created a de facto public/private partnership that benefits almost no one.

But it's still better than fully government-run healthcare where services are rationed. Yes, that's how it works in Canada and the UK.

[tophcfa]

The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

Are you serious? How could anyone use Tesla as the poster child of a well run organization?

[Pugchief]

How could anyone use Tesla as the poster child of a well run organization?

Please elaborate on why you think Tesla is poorly run. Complete nonsense.

[mbene]

Not really. The outrageous amount of government regulation in healthcare has created a de facto public/private partnership that benefits almost no one.

But it's still better than fully government-run healthcare where services are rationed. Yes, that's how it works in Canada and the UK.

You mean countries with higher life expectancies than the US?

[golfing eagles]

You mean countries with higher life expectancies than the US?

He/she probably does

Oh, wait, those countries with a so-called longer life expectancy only have it because they don't count infant mortality the same way we do. I wish I could get the raw numbers to calculate it on an apples-to-apples level playing field, but since they don't count anything before 34-week deliveries, that data doesn't exist. And since most of the data comes from the World Health Organization, it is about as reliable as a used car salesman's promises.

[mbene]

Lots of countries with socialized medicine have better life expectancy and lower infant mortality rates

Infant mortality rate Comparison - The World Factbook (https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/infant-mortality-rate/country-comparison/)

[retiredguy123]

He/she probably does

Oh, wait, those countries with a so-called longer life expectancy only have it because they don't count infant mortality the same way we do. I wish I could get the raw numbers to calculate it on an apples-to-apples level playing field, but since they don't count anything before 34-week deliveries, that data doesn't exist. And since most of the data comes from the World Health Organization, it is about as reliable as a used car salesman's promises.
I have often wondered, when China (and other countries) claim that their school students are better at math than U.S. students, are they using a random cross-section of the entire country, or just their best students, who actually go to school?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Please elaborate on why you think Tesla is poorly run. Complete nonsense.

financials have many falsehoods, except the audited version, and even then not to be trusted based upon how the company and the auditors have negotiated their deal

the CEO has made many promises and most if not all have not been met.

pushing out goals each year for 10 years is not a well run organization

requiring NDA from customers in return for settlements is just bs.

NTSB data supplied is manipulated.

senior management longevity is fairly short, with high turnover, most in it for the large options grants

The stock is highly manipulated using options exploiting market maker delta hedging programs

The company produces a car which is known unsafe. . has a very poor safety rating.

there is so much public information available on the discrepancies and the sliminess of the company. . .

[tophcfa]

financials have many falsehoods, except the audited version, and even then not to be trusted based upon how the company and the auditors have negotiated their deal

the CEO has made many promises and most if not all have not been met.

pushing out goals each year for 10 years is not a well run organization

requiring NDA from customers in return for settlements is just bs.

NTSB data supplied is manipulated.

senior management longevity is fairly short, with high turnover, most in it for the large options grants

The stock is highly manipulated using options exploiting market maker delta hedging programs

The company produces a car which is known unsafe. . has a very poor safety rating.

there is so much public information available on the discrepancies and the sliminess of the company. . .

Exactly, and so much more. Just follow the history of the disaster that is the Cybertruck for a prime example. The Muskrat is a walking train wreck, and I’m not talking about what he’s done recently. That being said, there is no argument that he is great at making money (at the expense of taxpayers and by ripping off consumers).

[justjim]

Not really. The outrageous amount of government regulation in healthcare has created a de facto public/private partnership that benefits almost no one.

But it's still better than fully government-run healthcare where services are rationed. Yes, that's how it works in Canada and the UK.

Have you ever talked with a Canadian and ask how he/she liked their healthcare? I have and they like it.

[kkingston57]

financials have many falsehoods, except the audited version, and even then not to be trusted based upon how the company and the auditors have negotiated their deal

the CEO has made many promises and most if not all have not been met.

pushing out goals each year for 10 years is not a well run organization

requiring NDA from customers in return for settlements is just bs.

NTSB data supplied is manipulated.

senior management longevity is fairly short, with high turnover, most in it for the large options grants

The stock is highly manipulated using options exploiting market maker delta hedging programs

The company produces a car which is known unsafe. . has a very poor safety rating.

there is so much public information available on the discrepancies and the sliminess of the company. . .

Forgot Elon and politics. He did a great job of p...ing off his base clientel.

[eyc234]

The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

So how is that working with Home insurance!!!!

[eyc234]

Please elaborate on why you think Tesla is poorly run. Complete nonsense.

Maybe because they are losing money left, and right?

[Topspinmo]

And what will replace it for the millions that are covered. Oh wait the Repubs have nothing and never did anything. Not a Dem but if you complain have a resolution. None has ever been presented.

We have to pass it to see what’s in. Yep, they had something but didn’t know what it was.

[Aces4]

Maybe because they are losing money left, and right?

We all know the reason for that and it has nothing to do with how the company is being run.

[Sabella]

You do understand that is what we have now.
Maybe it's not run by Tesla or Amazon and maybe these two companies might run more efficient, which is questionable.
But like all free-market health plans they are in this for profit not your health.
And if you are a stockholder in one of these companies you want to see your dividend climb and the way that happens is to dispense the least number of services as possible.

Our government and the constant flood of commercials regarding Medicare advantage plans tends to brainwash people to get into a Medicare advantage plan. So the few dollars you’re saving now when you’re a little bit younger and healthier on your Medicare advantage plan (such as no co-pays, free ride to the doctors office, etc.) as you get older and sicker this Medicare advantage plan will cover less and less of your sickness and illnesses than original Medicare would I wish people would wake up.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

And what will replace it for the millions that are covered. Oh wait the Repubs have nothing and never did anything. Not a Dem but if you complain have a resolution. None has ever been presented.

straw man argument.

The point is not about replacing/removing Medicare Advantage plans, or other insurance plans, not changing nor eliminating them.

The point is about UNH illegal and unethical behavior denying healthcare for profits. Follow the rules, don't falsify data, and the change is enforcement of the rules. if the program is unprofitable for you, change your cost structure, not promise services and then pull them at the last second. The difference between a third world country and societal beneficial capitalism is rules enforcement with personal punishments. Corporate punishments encourages moral hazard, and does not deter third world country behaviors.

There is a huge gap everywhere between goals and execution, between theory and practice, between ideology and reality. .

[Caymus]

Maybe because they are losing money left, and right?

Do you have a link to their financial results? The numbers I see show positive earnings.

[Aces4]

straw man argument.

The point is not about replacing/removing Medicare Advantage plans, or other insurance plans, not changing nor eliminating them.

The point is about UNH illegal and unethical behavior denying healthcare for profits. Follow the rules, don't falsify data, and the change is enforcement of the rules. if the program is unprofitable for you, change your cost structure, not promise services and then pull them at the last second. The difference between a third world country and societal beneficial capitalism is rules enforcement with personal punishments. Corporate punishments encourages moral hazard, and does not deter third world country behaviors.

There is a huge gap everywhere between goals and execution, between theory and practice, between ideology and reality. .

You seem to have much inside information about the plethora of unethical claims processed by United Healthcare. Please provide the statistics and cases of these denied claims that are alleged to be prevalent nationwide by United Healthcare. I've seen enough fraud in the healthcare insurance system by the insureds that it would be good to compare the issues.

[Caymus]

Have you ever talked with a Canadian and ask how he/she liked their healthcare? I have and they like it.

Unless they need items like MRI's. During my travels I noticed many advertisements for MRI centers near the northern border cities.

[Aces4]

Have you ever talked with a Canadian and ask how he/she liked their healthcare? I have and they like it.

Are they doctors?

Per AI: Less Than Half (48%) of Canadians Are Satisfied with Their Provincial Healthcare System – The Same Result as Last Year

[spd2918]

reuters.com (https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/unitedhealth-falls-after-report-it-secretly-paid-nursing-homes-reduce-hospital-2025-05-21)

Evil company

It's a good thing we have choices in this free market. Imagine if there was one monolithic source we'd all be mandated to buy. No competition equals garbage service.

[Pugchief]

Have you ever talked with a Canadian and ask how he/she liked their healthcare? I have and they like it.

The Canadians who love their healthcare are the ones who don't need to use it.

[Rodneysblue]

reuters.com (https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/unitedhealth-falls-after-report-it-secretly-paid-nursing-homes-reduce-hospital-2025-05-21)

Evil company
So, tell us how you really feel.

[golfing eagles]

Have you ever talked with a Canadian and ask how he/she liked their healthcare? I have and they like it.

Unfortunately, those would be in the minority since just over 1/2 of Canadians do not like their system

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