Is it possible to get off all prescription meds?

[Michael 61]

Depending on what your conditions, chronic issues are, yes!

I’m in my early 60s, and have take several meds for various conditions (high blood pressure, pre-diabetes, chronic inflammation, etc) since my 30s.

Doctors have never really discussed lifestyle changes with me, but have always been quick to prescribe meds to “mask” the symptoms.

I started researching my various conditions a few years back. I began to focus on diet (get rid of sugars, seed oils, processed foods, high-carb foods), began a focused exercise routine, brought weight down to a BMI of 22.5.

Today, is a red-letter day. I was told to get off my final med, as all my numbers are in very good to excellent range. No longer pre-diabetic. Cholesterol excellent. Blood pressure in very good range. Inflammation eliminated. Lots of energy, sleeping great. How many people in their early 60s can claim this!

I’m posting this as an encouragement to many out there that feel they will be on these meds for life. There is a way off for some. I realize that everyone’s situation is different, and some need to stay on their meds. But for others, there is a way off, through being laser-focused on diet/exercise/weight.

[manaboutown]

Good for you, OP! Congratulations. What you have accomplished takes discipline.

[Michael G.]

Yep, there's a pill for everything.
Beware of doctors that think if one pill is good, two are better.

[Smalley]

Congratulations to you. You really improved your health in a big way. Your BMI is admirable.

[frayedends]

When my doctor a few years ago wanted to put me on blood pressure meds, diabetes meds, and a statin, I walked out dumbfounded. I went on a keto diet and my blood was checked 5 weeks later. I had lost 27 lbs. My A1C went down to 5.0 from 5.7. Cholesterol was fine, and blood pressure was 140/90. Not the best but not warranting meds. I had started at 237 lbs.

Anyhow, I had a few ups and downs since then but today I weigh 192 lbs. No meds ever. Just a very low carb diet and plenty of walking.

[justjim]

OP, congratulations. As you said, there are some that require certain meds. Since retirement and through changes in lifestyle and exercise, I have drastically reduced my meds. It’s hard to see family and friends that seem determined to leave before their time because of their lifestyle. We all have choices to make and you can’t make those choices for others. Fore!

[Whatnext]

The problem is, many patients do not make any effort to change life style, so need medication to get through the lifestyle they choose to have.
You see them every day, waddling and rolling around TV
Weight loss, exercise, half decent fresh food, is a good start. It's not that hard.
Well done OP.

[ResQme]

Congratulations and I am jealous! I went to Urgent Care a couple of weeks ago, and the doctor said "You're on all these meds???"

In my case, I am proud to say I am off all my high blood pressure medication! My BP has been normal for a few years now. I'm also reducing cholesterol medicines, and that's going well. But I'm still on a bunch of Diabetes medicines :(

[Arctic Fox]

Been trying for ages to get my (92-year old) Mother's blood pressure down, but she insists on adding salt to everything, even before tasting it :-(

Found some sodium chloride / potassium chloride mix that claims to taste the same as pure salt, so maybe that will help

[retiredguy123]

Been trying for ages to get my (92-year old) Mother's blood pressure down, but she insists on adding salt to everything, even before tasting it :-(

Found some sodium chloride / potassium chloride mix that claims to taste the same as pure salt, so maybe that will help
Maybe, but I doubt it. Does your mother agree that they taste the same?

[golfing eagles]

Been trying for ages to get my (92-year old) Mother's blood pressure down, but she insists on adding salt to everything, even before tasting it :-(

Found some sodium chloride / potassium chloride mix that claims to taste the same as pure salt, so maybe that will help

I'd be extremely careful about adding potassium to the diet of a 92-year-old. She most likely has significantly reduced GFR (renal function) and that might induce hyperkalemia (elevated serum potassium), which can have all kinds of deleterious cardiac and neuromuscular effects

[DARFAP]

The focus on cholesterol is a stone age idea to support statins. There are plenty of books written by doctors who have awakened to this narrative that put this myth to rest. Like the OP learned, get off / significantly reduce carbs, quit seed oils, and start eating meat /eggs/ all those things they have told you will give you high cholesterol. There's a whole other world out here. No need to continue to suffer needlessly. Congrats OP!

[Arctic Fox]

Maybe, but I doubt it. Does your mother agree that they taste the same?

Well, she hasn't noticed the switch :-)

[Arctic Fox]

I'd be extremely careful about adding potassium to the diet of a 92-year-old. She most likely has significantly reduced GFR (renal function) and that might induce hyperkalemia (elevated serum potassium), which can have all kinds of deleterious cardiac and neuromuscular effects

Thank you for the warning

It was recommended by her doctor (I hadn't heard of the stuff)

[golfing eagles]

Thank you for the warning

It was recommended by her doctor (I hadn't heard of the stuff)

I'm sure her doctor has a relatively recent blood test. If he recommended it, her GFR is probably > 60 and she'll be fine.

[manaboutown]

I'd be extremely careful about adding potassium to the diet of a 92-year-old. She most likely has significantly reduced GFR (renal function) and that might induce hyperkalemia (elevated serum potassium), which can have all kinds of deleterious cardiac and neuromuscular effects

A long time friend of mine who had been a professional model, a Liz Taylor look-alike, had gradually over the years gained considerable weight. At age 66 she suddenly passed away in bed while taking a nap. No easy answer such as a heart attack or stroke was evident. A thorough autopsy was conducted. It took awhile to get the results but they found pieces of capsule which had contained potassium in her throat. Apparently she was taking potassium to lose weight. I do not know if she was under medical guidance in this endeavor. She had worked for a veterinarian at one time and thought she knew something about medicine, a very dangerous thing if acted upon IMHO. High potassium (hyperkalemia): Causes, prevention and treatment | American Kidney Fund (https://www.kidneyfund.org/living-kidney-disease/health-problems-caused-kidney-disease/high-potassium-hyperkalemia-causes-prevention-and-treatment#:~:text=Having%20too%20much%20potassium% 20in,at%20risk%20for%20high%20potassium).

[Michael G.]

Been trying for ages to get my (92-year old) Mother's blood pressure down, but she insists on adding salt to everything, even before tasting it :-(


92 ??? At that age I say let her be and enjoy the rest of her life.
Even with the salt habit, to live to that age she had to do something right.

[jimmyinvillages]

Congrats to OP on weening of all pharma.

The one thing people who want to go down the same path should do (besides the self-accountability to get diet really in control and do a lot of movement) is see a doctor who is in the know and not just embodying the McDonalds' of healthcare.

Unfortunately, this means seeing integrative/functional medicine practitioners, who typically do not/cannot accept medical insurance and require cash payments.

But you either pay up front or you pay at the end for your health. I'd rather pay up front.

[Aces4]

Been trying for ages to get my (92-year old) Mother's blood pressure down, but she insists on adding salt to everything, even before tasting it :-(

Found some sodium chloride / potassium chloride mix that claims to taste the same as pure salt, so maybe that will help

If I make it to 92, my kids had better let me eat what I want to eat.:mmmm:

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Been trying for ages to get my (92-year old) Mother's blood pressure down, but she insists on adding salt to everything, even before tasting it :-(

Found some sodium chloride / potassium chloride mix that claims to taste the same as pure salt, so maybe that will help

Check with your mother's doctor first. Sodium chloride is just the chemical name of normal plain old table salt. Potassium chloride is another type of salt, made by mixing potassium and chlorine. It's used most commonly as a water softener, but it's also added to foods that advertise themselves as low-sodium, to enhance the flavor of the food product.

It also is not healthy to use as a replacement for table salt if you have kidney problems or with certain medications.

Always check with the doctor, and if you can't get an answer that you understand (whether you agree with the answer or not) then check with your mother's pharmacist.

[asianthree]

Michael great news you should get healthy home town article in DS. I am guessing you have taken into account, your health improved with retirement because less stress? More time to be active, better food choices instead of fast junk because you were working.

Our group of 26 retired from healthcare post working 2 years of pandemic the same month.
19 have lost weight, reduced meds. We all still have sleep issues, after years of trauma call.
Have endless hours to fill, but lower stress levels.
We now live to eat, no longer eat to live whatever we can swallow in 10 minutes.

[golfing eagles]

Congrats to OP on weening of all pharma.

The one thing people who want to go down the same path should do (besides the self-accountability to get diet really in control and do a lot of movement) is see a doctor who is in the know and not just embodying the McDonalds' of healthcare.

Unfortunately, this means seeing integrative/functional medicine practitioners, who typically do not/cannot accept medical insurance and require cash payments.

But you either pay up front or you pay at the end for your health. I'd rather pay up front.

Unfortunately, that sentence describes the quacks that have been able to dupe some of the gullible public. Do yourself a favor and see a real doctor.

PS: It's not that they wouldn't accept insurance, they'd love to. It's simply that what they do is not recognized as legitimate medical practice so the third-party payers just won't acknowledge and pay them

[golfing eagles]

Unfortunately, that sentence describes the quacks that have been able to dupe some of the gullible public. Do yourself a favor and see a real doctor.

///.

[BobGraves]

OP, congratulations. I've been eating a carnivore/meat centric high fat diet for the last 18 months. Lost 50lbs, blood pressure went from 130's over 70's to 1teens over 50's, and sleep is great now. I never went on any meds but now Dr doesn't say I need them. The only thing that's high is my LDL but after much research I will NOT go on statins. HDL went up and Triglycerides down (which both are good things). Dr was nervous about LDL so at his request I had a CAC scan which came back with a score of zero (you can't get better than that).
Salt is not the problem with BP. It's inflammation from seed oils and sugar/insulin.
Medical students are still getting less than 20 hours of nutrition education over 4 years, and even most of that has limited clinical relevance. Medical students are taught like a basic computer calculation "If This - Then That". If high BP - then ACE inhibitor, If high cholesterol - then statins, etc. And when the drugs they push have side effects, there's a pill for that too. I don't want to make this political but Hopefully with RFK's MAHA movement, nutrition will be put in the spotlight because the Standard American Diet is the cause of SO MUCH illness.

[Rwirish]

Usually not.

[Topspinmo]

I wouldn’t drop too low, if you get sick (not talking about cold) you have little reserve to help. When I really get illness I usually drop 5 to 10 pounds and that’s not serious illness.. when I had my 17 hour tumor removed when from 215 to 169 in about 8 days.

[Susan1717]

So happy to read about people taking charge of their health! I’m 71 and never been in any meds. I switched to a keto based diet back in my 50s and walk plus hit the gym several times a week. I weigh myself every morning to stay accountable to keep me where I want to be, which is my same weight from age 21. My BMI is 19.2. I only seem to have a slightly high ldl but I’m not getting on statins either. Saw a cardiologist and he said I am fine! My calcium plaque test came up zero and I’ll follow his orders of NO statins.

[RoseyRed]

Depending on what your conditions, chronic issues are, yes!

I’m in my early 60s, and have take several meds for various conditions (high blood pressure, pre-diabetes, chronic inflammation, etc) since my 30s.

Doctors have never really discussed lifestyle changes with me, but have always been quick to prescribe meds to “mask” the symptoms.

I started researching my various conditions a few years back. I began to focus on diet (get rid of sugars, seed oils, processed foods, high-carb foods), began a focused exercise routine, brought weight down to a BMI of 22.5.

Today, is a red-letter day. I was told to get off my final med, as all my numbers are in very good to excellent range. No longer pre-diabetic. Cholesterol excellent. Blood pressure in very good range. Inflammation eliminated. Lots of energy, sleeping great. How many people in their early 60s can claim this!

I’m posting this as an encouragement to many out there that feel they will be on these meds for life. There is a way off for some. I realize that everyone’s situation is different, and some need to stay on their meds. But for others, there is a way off, through being laser-focused on diet/exercise/weight.
YES! A lot of people do not realize how much diet and lifestyle can change their health! The SAD (standard American diet) diets are marketed for the big companies to make money NOT for our health! I still have a long way to go but, have made so much progress!

[Chickx729]

Functional medical doctors are MD's with extra training. Medicare Advantage Plans limit your care so that may be the problem with coverage. I have parts A&B with a supplement. My doctors NEVER have to pick up the phone to get procedures approved.

[Ptmcbriz]

You are what you eat.

[oneclickplus]

Depending on what your conditions, chronic issues are, yes!

I’m in my early 60s, and have take several meds for various conditions (high blood pressure, pre-diabetes, chronic inflammation, etc) since my 30s.

Doctors have never really discussed lifestyle changes with me, but have always been quick to prescribe meds to “mask” the symptoms.

I started researching my various conditions a few years back. I began to focus on diet (get rid of sugars, seed oils, processed foods, high-carb foods), began a focused exercise routine, brought weight down to a BMI of 22.5.

Today, is a red-letter day. I was told to get off my final med, as all my numbers are in very good to excellent range. No longer pre-diabetic. Cholesterol excellent. Blood pressure in very good range. Inflammation eliminated. Lots of energy, sleeping great. How many people in their early 60s can claim this!

I’m posting this as an encouragement to many out there that feel they will be on these meds for life. There is a way off for some. I realize that everyone’s situation is different, and some need to stay on their meds. But for others, there is a way off, through being laser-focused on diet/exercise/weight.

Agreed!! And a big practical part of achieving these goals is to cut / eliminate sugar and alcohol. A lifestyle change indeed for many. I'm also down to zero meds with exercise & weight loss. Yes, we are all different. But, for many, this is achievable.

[mraines]

The focus on cholesterol is a stone age idea to support statins. There are plenty of books written by doctors who have awakened to this narrative that put this myth to rest. Like the OP learned, get off / significantly reduce carbs, quit seed oils, and start eating meat /eggs/ all those things they have told you will give you high cholesterol. There's a whole other world out here. No need to continue to suffer needlessly. Congrats OP!

Lipitor almost killed my mother. I refused to go on statins. I tried watching my diet but some things are hereditary. I finally went on a med that is not a statin. I exercise and try to eat healthy. I don't understand people who would rather eat all the wrong things all the time and sit on a couch.

[Nana2Teddy]

Depending on what your conditions, chronic issues are, yes!

I’m in my early 60s, and have take several meds for various conditions (high blood pressure, pre-diabetes, chronic inflammation, etc) since my 30s.

Doctors have never really discussed lifestyle changes with me, but have always been quick to prescribe meds to “mask” the symptoms.

I started researching my various conditions a few years back. I began to focus on diet (get rid of sugars, seed oils, processed foods, high-carb foods), began a focused exercise routine, brought weight down to a BMI of 22.5.

Today, is a red-letter day. I was told to get off my final med, as all my numbers are in very good to excellent range. No longer pre-diabetic. Cholesterol excellent. Blood pressure in very good range. Inflammation eliminated. Lots of energy, sleeping great. How many people in their early 60s can claim this!

I’m posting this as an encouragement to many out there that feel they will be on these meds for life. There is a way off for some. I realize that everyone’s situation is different, and some need to stay on their meds. But for others, there is a way off, through being laser-focused on diet/exercise/weight.
Congratulations! I personally know this isn’t easy to do living here because of all of the junk food we are facing at every social event, restaurant, etc.

I had accomplished what you have before I moved here 2 years ago, but have fallen off the keto wagon and am back to square one now with HBP, prediabetes, inflammation, and weight gain after having lost 25 lbs and lowering my A1C from 6.4 to 5.6 just from change in diet prior to our move. It’s been tough finding the motivation to get back on track.

I’ll be 72 next week, and will use your post as the kick in the butt I needed. Thank you for sharing!

[La lamy]

Totally agree that docs are way too eager to prescribe pills instead of encouraging lifestyle changes. I'm fortunate to have grown up in a health conscious family where healthy food and getting outside for daily exercise was the norm. After menopause I started developing digestive issues and doc said I should go on meds. I chose to do a daily diet log instead. Figured out what made me feel pain/throat closing after a few weeks, made the changes, no meds needed. Food is our best pharmaceutical if well chosen!

[Michael 61]

Michael great news you should get healthy home town article in DS. I am guessing you have taken into account, your health improved with retirement because less stress? More time to be active, better food choices instead of fast junk because you were working.

Our group of 26 retired from healthcare post working 2 years of pandemic the same month.
19 have lost weight, reduced meds. We all still have sleep issues, after years of trauma call.
Have endless hours to fill, but lower stress levels.
We now live to eat, no longer eat to live whatever we can swallow in 10 minutes.

Yes - so true! I loved my job and was totally obsessed with my career. Didn’t realize until after I retired that I was stressed out each day (positive stress not negative stress, as I was consumed with my career 24/7, always thinking, planning, strategizing - your body reacts the same to positive or negative stress). It wasn’t until after I retired that I realized how much stress affected my health negatively. I now sleep way better, as my mind now naturally shuts off at bedtime, not thinking about the next work day. As you said, I am now focused on my exercise and diet way more than when I was working. I love to cook, and am very experimental in the kitchen. I now make good, balanced, healthy meals, rather than grabbing donuts at work and eating fast food during my lunch breaks.

Sounds like you are on a similar trajectory. Congratulations on your retirement. Continue to live a happy, engaged (and healthy) life here in TV!

[Michael 61]

Congratulations! I personally know this isn’t easy to do living here because of all of the junk food we are facing at every social event, restaurant, etc.

I had accomplished what you have before I moved here 2 years ago, but have fallen off the keto wagon and am back to square one now with HBP, prediabetes, inflammation, and weight gain after having lost 25 lbs and lowering my A1C from 6.4 to 5.6 just from change in diet prior to our move. It’s been tough finding the motivation to get back on track.

I’ll be 72 next week, and will use your post as the kick in the butt I needed. Thank you for sharing!

Nana -

First congratulations on your previous accomplishment- I know that is hard work, and you have proven that you have the discipline to accomplish your goals. I know it’s difficult to stay on track with your health goals here in The Villages. Difficult to find healthy meals at restaurants in the bubble. Lots of bar food, lots of alcohol, etc. I hope this encourages you to get back on track with your nutritional goals. You’ve done it before, and you can do it again! Good luck.

[Michael 61]

Thank you for so many who have posted encouraging responses to my post. My wish for all Villagers, is to have a long, happy and healthy retirement here in this great community. We’ve worked hard most of our lives, and we don’t want our retirement years marked by major health issues and inactivity.

[Birdrm]

Yes, by never getting on prescription drugs, most of what is prescribed can usually be achieved with lifestyle changes!

[Ree]

Thanks for sharing your journey. Very cool post. I learned that you can't out exercise your fork. It all begins with what we put in our mouths. Touche'

[azcindy]

Michael,

Congratulations! That is an awesome achievement. I am moving to The Villages on June 1st and one of the main reasons is to get healthier with the myriad of activities here. When I first retired a few years ago, I played Pickleball about 6 days a week, won some tournaments, and then got injured. That set me back health wise. But now I am roaring to go try new stuff here in addition to Pickleball, and I absolutely will love the hiking and biking trails and all the fun games in The Villages. My cardiologist wants me to get my cholesterol below 165!!! and I am going to try my best to do that. You are inspiring Michael, and I have enjoyed your positive posts here.

Cindy

[Cmbcab]

Need to be careful. My grandson who 38 is on high blood pressure meds. He decided to just stop taking them and ended up in the hospital for four days because of he was retaining fluids.

[JRcorvette]

Depending on what your conditions, chronic issues are, yes!

I’m in my early 60s, and have take several meds for various conditions (high blood pressure, pre-diabetes, chronic inflammation, etc) since my 30s.

Doctors have never really discussed lifestyle changes with me, but have always been quick to prescribe meds to “mask” the symptoms.

I started researching my various conditions a few years back. I began to focus on diet (get rid of sugars, seed oils, processed foods, high-carb foods), began a focused exercise routine, brought weight down to a BMI of 22.5.

Today, is a red-letter day. I was told to get off my final med, as all my numbers are in very good to excellent range. No longer pre-diabetic. Cholesterol excellent. Blood pressure in very good range. Inflammation eliminated. Lots of energy, sleeping great. How many people in their early 60s can claim this!

I’m posting this as an encouragement to many out there that feel they will be on these meds for life. There is a way off for some. I realize that everyone’s situation is different, and some need to stay on their meds. But for others, there is a way off, through being laser-focused on diet/exercise/weight.

Good Job and it’s all true!

[Velvet]

Depending on what your conditions, chronic issues are, yes!

I’m in my early 60s, and have take several meds for various conditions (high blood pressure, pre-diabetes, chronic inflammation, etc) since my 30s.

Doctors have never really discussed lifestyle changes with me, but have always been quick to prescribe meds to “mask” the symptoms.

I started researching my various conditions a few years back. I began to focus on diet (get rid of sugars, seed oils, processed foods, high-carb foods), began a focused exercise routine, brought weight down to a BMI of 22.5.

Today, is a red-letter day. I was told to get off my final med, as all my numbers are in very good to excellent range. No longer pre-diabetic. Cholesterol excellent. Blood pressure in very good range. Inflammation eliminated. Lots of energy, sleeping great. How many people in their early 60s can claim this!

I’m posting this as an encouragement to many out there that feel they will be on these meds for life. There is a way off for some. I realize that everyone’s situation is different, and some need to stay on their meds. But for others, there is a way off, through being laser-focused on diet/exercise/weight.

Great results! Thank you for posting.

Yes, I believe that it is possible to treat many chronic illnesses by life style changes, my father, myself and my paternal grandmother have never taken prescribed meds for more than a week - usually after surgery. I generally really don’t like the side-effects. My mother had very high blood pressure which she monitored 3 times daily for decades and kept it check with religious diet and exercise.

If you’ve been on something for a long time, you need to come off it slowly - your body gets used to it like putting a frog into cold water and increasing the heat.

I find it funny when people say, ask your doctor. Most often it was the doctor who prescribed the meds in the first place, and they are not going to be comfortable with something they have no control over. At least certainly not my physician, plus he makes no money on my exercising…

[fdpaq0580]

You are what you eat.

BBQ anything ending with "doodle".

[Nana2Teddy]

Nana -

First congratulations on your previous accomplishment- I know that is hard work, and you have proven that you have the discipline to accomplish your goals. I know it’s difficult to stay on track with your health goals here in The Villages. Difficult to find healthy meals at restaurants in the bubble. Lots of bar food, lots of alcohol, etc. I hope this encourages you to get back on track with your nutritional goals. You’ve done it before, and you can do it again! Good luck.
Thank you, Michael! You’ve motivated me!

[MorTech]

Carbohydrates and plant-based oils (Linoleic Acid) are the drivers of chronic body-wide inflammation and insulin resistance which causes all modern aliments and disease. I urge you all to try this experiment: Eat only beef/shrimp/water for one month. The carbohydrate cravings will subside after about the first week so power thru! After one month you will feel better than you ever have and your thinking will become clearer...Brain fog is subtle to the point you don't know you have it. Same with chronic inflammation.

Personally, I have not had even one sick day in the last 30 years...That wasn't self-inflicted by alcohol consumption :)

[MorTech]

I think most people would rather die than give up all their yummies. I suspect doctors recognize this and don't want to waste their breathe trying to talking you into changing diet. Eat to Live or Live to Eat - most choose the later.

[margaretmattson]

Totally agree that docs are way too eager to
prescribe pills
instead of
encouraging
lifestyle
changes. I'm
fortunate to
have grown up
in a health
conscious
family where
healthy food and
getting outside
for daily
exercise was the
norm. After
menopause I
started
developing
digestive issues
and doc said I
should go on
meds. I chose to
do a daily diet
log instead.
Figured out what
made me feel
pain/throat
closing after a
few weeks,
made the
changes, no
meds needed.
Food is our best
pharmaceutical
if well chosen!Do you mind sharing what foods you are avoiding? I am having the same symptoms you described. Trying to figure out what foods a
is causing this. Maybe your suggestion will help. Thanks in advance.

[MorTech]

Sugar and plant seed oils are the cause of all modern disease. Don't eat sweets (and don't eat bread/potato/pasta/rice/fruit) and use butter, tallow. lard. or refined coconut oil.

[Topspinmo]

Depending on what your conditions, chronic issues are, yes!

I’m in my early 60s, and have take several meds for various conditions (high blood pressure, pre-diabetes, chronic inflammation, etc) since my 30s.

Doctors have never really discussed lifestyle changes with me, but have always been quick to prescribe meds to “mask” the symptoms.

I started researching my various conditions a few years back. I began to focus on diet (get rid of sugars, seed oils, processed foods, high-carb foods), began a focused exercise routine, brought weight down to a BMI of 22.5.

Today, is a red-letter day. I was told to get off my final med, as all my numbers are in very good to excellent range. No longer pre-diabetic. Cholesterol excellent. Blood pressure in very good range. Inflammation eliminated. Lots of energy, sleeping great. How many people in their early 60s can claim this!

I’m posting this as an encouragement to many out there that feel they will be on these meds for life. There is a way off for some. I realize that everyone’s situation is different, and some need to stay on their meds. But for others, there is a way off, through being laser-focused on diet/exercise/weight.

Good for you most can’t do that. :bowdown:

At 73 my BMI is now 24.1 and problem with blood tests 1 point above high cholesterol number (100). Which I changed my eating habit see if it lowers on its own, I’ve never been extreme over weight most at most 15 to 20 pounds from my height 72 inches.
My gold was not get on any of so called preventative prescribed medication drugs. IMO you have to weight the possible side effects vs problem, prescription drugs really don’t solve the problem but controls some vs lifestyle changes.

Lifestyle changes are too hard for most at any age and especially when older and over weight. It’s never too late to start but damage may already been done even though on paper it looks good?

In Florida I’d be careful on hot humid days when sun high exercising.

[Topspinmo]

I think most people would rather die than give up all their yummies. I suspect doctors recognize this and don't want to waste their breathe trying to talking you into changing diet. Eat to Live or Live to Eat - most choose the later.


Most smoker’s would rather die rather than quit smoking which included wacky weed. Had uncle that was on oxygen take mask off to puff on cigarettes.

[MorTech]

Most smoker’s would rather die rather than quit smoking which included wacky weed. Had uncle that was on oxygen take mask off to puff on cigarettes.

Yup...Ever witness a smoker smoke out of the hole in their neck after cancer surgery?
Lord Nicotine is powerful...Much easier to quit carbohydrates and caffeine.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Sugar and plant seed oils are the cause of all modern disease. Don't eat sweets (and don't eat bread/potato/pasta/rice/fruit) and use butter, tallow. lard. or refined coconut oil.

Absolute nonsense, horsepucky, fake news, alt-med supplement advertising woo.

Sugar and plant seed oils are not "the cause" of "all modern disease."

If that was true, then ALL people who abstain from sugar and plant seed oils, would NOT have ANY modern diseases. Since SOME do, then your statement is false.

Posts that insist on absolutes (all, always, never, "the" instead of "a", none) are often (see what I did there?) hyperbole, rhetoric, and/or logical fallacies.

Italians have been enjoying sugary carb breakfasts for centuries, and "modern diseases" is not epidemic in Italy.

One might posit, instead, that OVEREATING sugar and plant seed oils CONTRIBUTES or CAN TRIGGER MANY modern diseases.

That is more likely to be true.

[justjim]

After reading this entire Thread again, many seem to make the “doctors”’out as the villains and patients the victims. I am guessing probably unintentionally. There are many good doctors practicing today. A few not so much. There are patients who find it difficult to change their lifestyles and a good physician can observe after a few visits who they are. Taking a statin and other meds maybe the correct treatment for some patients who don’t have the discipline to change their lifestyles so they can get off some, if not all, their medications. If you don’t trust your physician, especially if he/she hasn’t mentioned lifestyle changes because of your condition, look for another one. Just saying.

[frayedends]

After reading this entire Thread again, many seem to make the “doctors”’out as the villains and patients the victims. I am guessing probably unintentionally. There are many good doctors practicing today. A few not so much. There are patients who find it difficult to change their lifestyles and a good physician can observe after a few visits who they are. Taking a statin and other meds maybe the correct treatment for some patients who don’t have the discipline to change their lifestyles so they can get off some, if not all, their medications. If you don’t trust your physician, especially if he/she hasn’t mentioned lifestyle changes because of your condition, look for another one. Just saying.

Sure but how? It’s not like you can interview them. You’re lucky to even find one taking new patients. You can try to search reviews but if you find a good one they likely never have openings.

I’ve had every primary care doc try to push meds and none talk about lifestyle. I just ignored them, changed my diet, fixed all my ailments. The doctors would still say crap like “well your cholesterol is normal but a statin could help lower it more. Drug dealers I say.

[golfing eagles]

Sure but how? It’s not like you can interview them. You’re lucky to even find one taking new patients. You can try to search reviews but if you find a good one they likely never have openings.

I’ve had every primary care doc try to push meds and none talk about lifestyle. I just ignored them, changed my diet, fixed all my ailments. The doctors would still say crap like “well your cholesterol is normal but a statin could help lower it more. Drug dealers I say.

Glad to hear you know so much more than doctors that you can ignore them and treat yourself. I only have 11 years of education post high school and 40 years experience. Can I please come to you for education and treatment???😂😂😂

[Aces4]

Glad to hear you know so much more than doctors that you can ignore them and treat yourself. I only have 11 years of education post high school and 40 years experience. Can I please come to you for education and treatment???������������������

Unfortunately, you float in a boat that contains all sorts of physicians. Many are excellent, well read, open to conversation with their patients and work diligently for the patient's benefit. Sad to say that is not always the case and there are more than a few "inadequate" physicians in one way or another. Why would Drs. be impervious from the issues that plague the general population? They're only human.

[Aces4]

Absolute nonsense, horsepucky, fake news, alt-med supplement advertising woo.

Sugar and plant seed oils are not "the cause" of "all modern disease."

If that was true, then ALL people who abstain from sugar and plant seed oils, would NOT have ANY modern diseases. Since SOME do, then your statement is false.

Posts that insist on absolutes (all, always, never, "the" instead of "a", none) are often (see what I did there?) hyperbole, rhetoric, and/or logical fallacies.

Italians have been enjoying sugary carb breakfasts for centuries, and "modern diseases" is not epidemic in Italy.

One might posit, instead, that OVEREATING sugar and plant seed oils CONTRIBUTES or CAN TRIGGER MANY modern diseases.

That is more likely to be true.

Per AI:
It's been noted that consuming sugar changes the brain and raise triglyceride levels.
Specifically, sugar consumption can affect dopamine levels, glucose levels, and neurotransmitters, leading to various effects on brain activity and mood.

Just eating sugary foods can indeed lead to increased cravings for more sugary items. This is due to several factors, including the brain's reward system and the way sugar affects blood sugar levels.

I would venture that consuming those two foods create more problem than not.

[Freeda]

Depending on what your conditions, chronic issues are, yes!

I’m in my early 60s, and have take several meds for various conditions (high blood pressure, pre-diabetes, chronic inflammation, etc) since my 30s.

Doctors have never really discussed lifestyle changes with me, but have always been quick to prescribe meds to “mask” the symptoms.

I started researching my various conditions a few years back. I began to focus on diet (get rid of sugars, seed oils, processed foods, high-carb foods), began a focused exercise routine, brought weight down to a BMI of 22.5.

Today, is a red-letter day. I was told to get off my final med, as all my numbers are in very good to excellent range. No longer pre-diabetic. Cholesterol excellent. Blood pressure in very good range. Inflammation eliminated. Lots of energy, sleeping great. How many people in their early 60s can claim this!

I’m posting this as an encouragement to many out there that feel they will be on these meds for life. There is a way off for some. I realize that everyone’s situation is different, and some need to stay on their meds. But for others, there is a way off, through being laser-focused on diet/exercise/weight.

That's wonderful. I follow all of Dr. Steven Gundry MD's advice, including his 'yes/no' foods list, which has similarities to the food program you describe; and at 74 I, too, take no prescription drugs; I read his books, though I do not follow many of his numerous podcasts, just for lack of time. (I do take prescription eyedrops for my glaucoma, which is a genetic/inherited trait; but even that is improving, and my Dr. has taken me off one of the drops). I also take USANA, and have for 22 years; back in the early days of doing that, I saw my asthma/allergies and right knee problem - which was scheduled for surgery - all go away.
Yes, it is possible,at least from my and many others' experiences, to not need prescription drugs. Even Dr. Gundry discusses in his books the health problems that they have on our microbiome; the healthy maintenance of which is key to maintaining our overall health. Dr. Gundry frequently quotes Hippocrates, the ancient Greek physician, who said long ago, 'All disease starts in our gut'; the only difference is that Hippocrates' belief was based on intuition from what he observed; whereas today there is laboratory science to prove it to be true.

[MorTech]

Absolute nonsense, horsepucky, fake news, alt-med supplement advertising woo.

Sugar and plant seed oils are not "the cause" of "all modern disease."

If that was true, then ALL people who abstain from sugar and plant seed oils, would NOT have ANY modern diseases. Since SOME do, then your statement is false.

Posts that insist on absolutes (all, always, never, "the" instead of "a", none) are often (see what I did there?) hyperbole, rhetoric, and/or logical fallacies. Are you really going to posit a little bit of poison is good for you?

Italians have been enjoying sugary carb breakfasts for centuries, and "modern diseases" is not epidemic in Italy.

One might posit, instead, that OVEREATING sugar and plant seed oils CONTRIBUTES or CAN TRIGGER MANY modern diseases.

That is more likely to be true.

Alrighty then...LOL

Most Americans are now insulin resistant and at least pre-diabetic...What's causing that?
None of these modern diseases were around 100 years ago. Plant seed oil is probably the very worst.

Start by taking a look at the government "food pyramid" fraud.

Carbohydrates (especially Fructose) and unsaturated fats (such as linoleic acid) are metabolic toxins in Sapiens. Themsbe the medical facts. Are you really going to posit a little bit of poison is good for you? How about not much poison is not too bad for you?

There has never been a medical case attributed to a "carbohydrate deficiency". Not only are carbohydrates non-essential, they are metabolically toxic to humans. Two biggies that carbohydrates cause are diabetes and Dementia/Alzheimer's.

[MorTech]

There are also doctors that want to keep you sick cuz "A patient cured is a customer lost".

The medical care industry is now over 20% of GDP. That is pretty disgusting and fraudulent.

[MorTech]

Glad to hear you know so much more than doctors that you can ignore them and treat yourself. I only have 11 years of education post high school and 40 years experience. Can I please come to you for education and treatment???😂😂😂

Which doctors are you talking about? Or are they all the same?

[Whatnext]

Nothing wrong with seed oils, in Moderation.
They are heavily used in processed foods, which are the real villains.
As for cutting out all carbohydrates, tell that to elite endurance athletes, their engines need copious amounts to endure.
The Tour de France riders would barely get to the top of the first mountain without them!

[golfing eagles]

That's wonderful. I follow all of Dr. Steven Gundry MD's advice, including his 'yes/no' foods list, which has similarities to the food program you describe; and at 74 I, too, take no prescription drugs; I read his books, though I do not follow many of his numerous podcasts, just for lack of time. (I do take prescription eyedrops for my glaucoma, which is a genetic/inherited trait; but even that is improving, and my Dr. has taken me off one of the drops). I also take USANA, and have for 22 years; back in the early days of doing that, I saw my asthma/allergies and right knee problem - which was scheduled for surgery - all go away.
Yes, it is possible,at least from my and many others' experiences, to not need prescription drugs. Even Dr. Gundry discusses in his books the health problems that they have on our microbiome; the healthy maintenance of which is key to maintaining our overall health. Dr. Gundry frequently quotes Hippocrates, the ancient Greek physician, who said long ago, 'All disease starts in our gut'; the only difference is that Hippocrates' belief was based on intuition from what he observed; whereas today there is laboratory science to prove it to be true.

So, he sells books, does podcasts, and btw sells a whole array of "supplements". No surprise. Now, here's the 411 on "Doctor" Stephen Gundry:

"Steven Robert Gundry (born July 11, 1950) is an American physician, low-carbohydrate diet author and former cardiothoracic surgeon.[1][2] Gundry is the author of The Plant Paradox: The Hidden Dangers in "Healthy" Foods That Cause Disease and Weight Gain, which promotes the controversial and pseudoscientific lectin-free diet.[3] He runs an experimental clinic investigating the impact of a lectin-free diet on health.

Gundry has made erroneous claims that lectins, a type of plant protein found in numerous foods, cause inflammation resulting in many modern diseases.[4] His Plant Paradox diet suggests avoiding all foods containing lectins.[5] Scientists and dietitians have classified Gundry's claims about lectins as pseudoscience.[5][6] He sells supplements that he claims protect against or reverse the supposedly damaging effects of lectins.[7]"

Yep, he does have a cult-like following. But then again so did Jim Jones of the People's Temple. Just don't drink the Kool-Aid.

[golfing eagles]

Alrighty then...LOL

Most Americans are now insulin resistant and at least pre-diabetic...What's causing that?
None of these modern diseases were around 100 years ago. Plant seed oil is probably the very worst.

Start by taking a look at the government "food pyramid" fraud.

Carbohydrates (especially Fructose) and unsaturated fats (such as linoleic acid) are metabolic toxins in Sapiens. Themsbe the medical facts. Are you really going to posit a little bit of poison is good for you? How about not much poison is not too bad for you?

There has never been a medical case attributed to a "carbohydrate deficiency". Not only are carbohydrates non-essential, they are metabolically toxic to humans. Two biggies that carbohydrates cause are diabetes and Dementia/Alzheimer's.

That first sentence sounds like it's right out of that quack Gundry's propaganda. Now, please cite a reference that states "the fact" that carbohydrates are "poison"---from a legitimate source, not the "Southern Mongolian Journal of Pseudoscientific Crap". That would be interesting since without carbohydrates every one of us would be dead within seconds. And btw, diabetes has been around since antiquity, it is not a "modern" disease. (First mentioned in the Ebers Papyrus circa 1550 BC). May I suggest also not drinking the Kool-Aid.

[MorTech]

Nothing wrong with a metabolic poison in moderation? Really? "Moderation" is not a unit of measure.
My neighbor is nearly blind from a lifelong carbohydrate addiction. She is pre-diabetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDGvEI7znkE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1cqNDDG4aA

[golfing eagles]

Unfortunately, you float in a boat that contains all sorts of physicians. Many are excellent, well read, open to conversation with their patients and work diligently for the patient's benefit. Sad to say that is not always the case and there are more than a few "inadequate" physicians in one way or another. Why would Drs. be impervious from the issues that plague the general population? They're only human.

Very true, and I also wish the 8-10% of incompetent and impaired physicians would have their licenses yanked

There are also doctors that want to keep you sick cuz "A patient cured is a customer lost".

The medical care industry is now over 20% of GDP. That is pretty disgusting and fraudulent.

Never met one of those---can you cite a factual example????

Which doctors are you talking about? Or are they all the same?

The 92% that are not in the group above

I'm beginning to think I missed the boat here. Maybe I should start a website, a podcast, sell supplemental crap and spout out a bunch of nonsense. There are always people that will pay to eat that up.

[golfing eagles]

Nothing wrong with a metabolic poison in moderation? Really? "Moderation" is not a unit of measure.
My neighbor is nearly blind from a lifelong carbohydrate addiction. She is pre-diabetic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDGvEI7znkE

Metabolic poison????? Is that the new term for an essential component of intermediary metabolism without which we would all be dead????? And your neighbor is not blind from eating carbs, she probably has stage 4 diabetic retinopathy with repetitive retinal hemorrhages. Let me guess---she's had more laser treatments than she can count. That does not suggest "pre-diabetes"---how many hypoglycemic medications does she take???

[Michael 61]

From further reading these posts, and relating to my own experience, is that most (not all) doctors have very little training and knowledge in the area of nutrition. The educational requirement for training in Nutrition for doctors is minimal. This is what leads many who are interested in exploring whether lifestyle changes can correct chronic issues vs taking prescription meds as a viable option to seek education and information outside of their doctor. This is sad, and should not be the case. The doctor should also be the knowledgeable source in areas of nutrition. If someone has a doctor who is, then you are extremely fortunate, as that is a rarity nowadays. I have found that I have had to educate my doctors at times about nutritional information. At the end of the day, I listen to my own body, and check my results and progress against frequent blood work. I know what foods lead to inflammation, lethargy, weight gain, sleeplessness, and gut issues, and which do not. And yes, seed oils are toxic! Even in moderation, they are poison. Same as saying occasionally smoking is ok in moderation.

[golfing eagles]

From further reading these posts, and relating to my own experience, is that most (not all) doctors have very little training and knowledge in the area of nutrition. The educational requirement for training in Nutrition for doctors is minimal. This is what leads many who are interested in exploring whether lifestyle changes can correct chronic issues vs taking prescription meds as a viable option to seek education and information outside of their doctor. This is sad, and should not be the case. The doctor should also be the knowledgeable source in areas of nutrition. If someone has a doctor who is, then you are extremely fortunate, as that is a rarity nowadays. I have found that I have had to educate my doctors at times about nutritional information. At the end of the day, I listen to my own body, and check my results and progress against frequent blood work. I know what foods lead to inflammation, lethargy, weight gain, sleeplessness, and gut issues, and which do not. And yes, seed oils are toxic! Even in moderation, they are poison. Same as saying occasionally smoking is ok in moderation.

“Seed oils are toxic”. More Gundry garbage

[Michael 61]

“Seed oils are toxic”. More Gundry garbage

For many, including myself, who have eliminated seed oils from the their diet, it’s been a game-changer for improving health and either reducing or eliminating chronic issues. The medical community is slowly coming around to seeing the dangers of seed oils. (And I have no idea who this Grundy guy is).

[golfing eagles]

For many, including myself, who have eliminated seed oils from the their diet, it’s been a game-changer for improving health and either reducing or eliminating chronic issues. The medical community is slowly coming around to seeing the dangers of seed oils. (And I have no idea who this Grundy guy is).

Glad it works for you, great. But anecdotal evidence is what the snake oil salesmen thrive upon. Please reference a multi-centered, double blinded, placebo-controlled study of at least 5,000 individuals published in a reputable medical journal (again. not the Southern Mongolian Journal of Pseudoscientific and Holistic Crap) that supports the concept of seed oils as being "poison". (I've never heard of a murder trial where the weapon was sunflower seed oil :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

From the Cleveland Clinic:

Have you heard the claim that seed oils are “toxic”? Some social media users blame them for everything, from acne and weight gain to cancer and infertility. But as is so often the case, the truth is a lot more nuanced than TikTok typically reveals.

From the American Heart Association:

"There's no reason to avoid seed oils and plenty of reasons to eat them

The "Hateful Eight" may sound like an old-time Western movie, but this showdown doesn't involve cowboys or horses or even guns. It's a battle over the supposed dangers posed by eight seed oils – canola, corn, cottonseed, grapeseed, soy, rice bran, sunflower and safflower – and it's being fought on social media.

To listen to some people on TikTok, YouTube or any of a number of podcasts, the oil extracted from these plants is poisoning us. But is it, really?

"It's so odd that the internet has gone wild demonizing these things," said Dr. Christopher Gardner, a professor of medicine at Stanford University School of Medicine in California and a nutrition scientist at the Stanford Prevention Research Center. "They are not to be feared."

[Michael 61]

Glad it works for you, great. But anecdotal evidence is what the snake oil salesmen thrive upon. Please reference a multi-centered, double blinded, placebo-controlled study of at least 5,000 individuals published in a reputable medical journal (again. not the Southern Mongolian Journal of Pseudoscientific and Holistic Crap) that supports the concept of seed oils as being "poison". (I've never heard of a murder trial where the weapon was sunflower seed oil :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

As I stated previously, at the end of the day - “I listen to my own body” - that is what matters most to me. You can’t convince me that I should return to consuming seed oils, and still maintain my current level of health. I have personally experienced the negative physical effects of consuming these oils high in unhealthy Omega 6.

[golfing eagles]

As I stated previously, at the end of the day - “I listen to my own body” - that is what matters most to me. You can’t convince me that I should return to consuming seed oils, and still maintain my current level of health.

And I wouldn't want to. For the same reason I wouldn't try to convince a member of the People's Temple not to follow Jim Jones to Guyana.

But seriously, there is no harm in what you are doing. Whether or not your results can be extrapolated to a large group of people is doubtful, and certainly unproven.

Here's another reference from the view of a gastroenterologist:

Do Seed Oils Cause Inflammation?
If you’re asking yourself, “Should I just throw out my canola oil right now?,” the gastroenterologist wants you to pump the brakes as he explains how seed oils can be a healthier alternative to other ingredients.

“What are you comparing it to?” he says in response to whether seed oils are inflammatory. “Many of the people who tell us that seed oils are so bad are the same people that tell us, ‘Don’t worry about saturated fat, it’s not a problem.’ And yet, if you look at the studies where they replace saturated fat with seed oils, people have less inflammation.”

[frayedends]

Glad to hear you know so much more than doctors that you can ignore them and treat yourself. I only have 11 years of education post high school and 40 years experience. Can I please come to you for education and treatment???😂😂😂

You seem to have missed the part where I cured my pre-diabetes, blood pressure, and cholesterol by ignoring at least 4 doctors in the past 15 years telling me to take pills and not even asking about my diet.

Assuming you are a doctor by your post, do you even read the answers to the "pre-physical questionnaire"? My doctors certainly didn't. They didn't even mention the fact I said I was drinking 8 -10 cocktails 3 nights per week. They never asked about my diet at all. They looked at test results and suggested pills. When all my test results were normal they still tried to put me on pills. So yeah, I don't trust your 11 years experience if that's what you are doing.

Do you have a criticism of my experience trying to find doctors? Can I interview you before I decide to see you?

Apart from that, and just so you know, I have a biology degree and I've worked in big pharma for 29 years. I have been in QA for the past 15 years. I also audit our CMOs and our suppliers for cGMPs. I am responsible for FDA audit handling every time we get audited. So you can put all your laughing emojis and think that speaking down to me from a "position of authority" somehow makes your answers more correct, but you would be mistaken.

[golfing eagles]

You seem to have missed the part where I cured my pre-diabetes, blood pressure, and cholesterol by ignoring at least 4 doctors in the past 15 years telling me to take pills and not even asking about my diet.

Assuming you are a doctor by your post, do you even read the answers to the "pre-physical questionnaire"? My doctors certainly didn't. They didn't even mention the fact I said I was drinking 8 -10 cocktails 3 nights per week. They never asked about my diet at all. They looked at test results and suggested pills. When all my test results were normal they still tried to put me on pills. So yeah, I don't trust your 11 years experience if that's what you are doing.

Do you have a criticism of my experience trying to find doctors? Can I interview you before I decide to see you?

Apart from that, and just so you know, I have a biology degree and I've worked in big pharma for 29 years. I have been in QA for the past 15 years. I also audit our CMOs and our suppliers for cGMPs. I am responsible for FDA audit handling every time we get audited. So you can put all your laughing emojis and think that speaking down to me from a "position of authority" somehow makes your answers more correct, but you would be mistaken.

Actually, I would not be mistaken, and if you wish to compare curriculum vitae, you will lose badly: btw, ONE of my degrees is in biology as well. Big deal. Glad you cured yourself by ignoring doctors, but that's a life and death game you will eventually lose. Also, that is 40 years experience, not to mention all the other awards, degrees and faculty appointments. But I do agree that the first thing to address would be 30+ cocktails/week. Certainly a bigger concern than seed oils or Gundry garbage. Also eliminating that amount of ETOH is most likely the reason for your improvement, but feel free to stay off "seed oils" as well.

[Happydaz]

Drinking 8-10 cocktails 3X per week is an unbelievable amount of booze and if you got in a car would certainly be DUI material. Just quitting this alcoholic level of drinking may be the main reason for your health improvement. Going with all the current health fads and changing many things you eat may also have helped. These are all anecdotal comments, all based on a study of one. It would never qualify in the least as a serious analysis as too many variables were changed at once. Hey if you feel good and you like what you are doing, keep it up, but don’t in any way think this is good medical advice. You are not a scientist, you are not a health professional and you are not a licensed physician. Your views are a layman’s analysis of his own health, useful for you, but probably not for the general public.

[frayedends]

Actually, I would not be mistaken, and if you wish to compare curriculum vitae, you will lose badly: btw, ONE of my degrees is in biology as well. Big deal. Glad you cured yourself by ignoring doctors, but that's a life and death game you will eventually lose. Also, that is 40 years experience, not to mention all the other awards, degrees and faculty appointments. But I do agree that the first thing to address would be 30+ cocktails/week. Certainly a bigger concern than seed oils or Gundry garbage. Also eliminating that amount of ETOH is most likely the reason for your improvement, but feel free to stay off "seed oils" as well.

You miss my point entirely. I do not wish to compare cv's. I was pointing out that your CV doesn't make you an expert on anything. It seems to me you are saying that I should have listened to my doctors, took the pills, and continued my lifestyle of drinking and eating sugar, and carbs.

I did quit the drinking to a great degree but that isn't what cured me. I was still 240 lbs at 6' tall. I went on keto diet and in 4 weeks my BP went to 140/90 from around 170/110. My A1C went from 5.7 to 5.0. I lost 30 lbs in that month alone. My triglycerides were incredibly reduced and my total cholesterol was under 200. But my doctor still suggested statins because statins are good.

Well I can't really say what I think of doctors that are pushing pills instead of asking about diet and lifestyle but it wouldn't be pleasant. My mom suffered a stroke and has been suffering with severe dementia for over 10 years. She has zero quality of life and only after her stroke did we find out the doctors, with all their awards and incredible resumes, had her on 8 different pills. About 3 of them were for blood pressure and she had low blood pressure. I sit her hoping my mom will die so she can stop suffering and I blame the doctors. Again, all of my doctors have only suggested pills and nothing more. So I hope you are a good doctor. If you are then you are in the minority. But based on your attitude, because of your CV, I get the feeling you are just another pill pusher.

[frayedends]

And by the way, this first pic is me on doctor's advice (only pic I could find) and then today on keto diet.
https://i.imgur.com/mGjzihKm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/n1zkDiPm.jpg

[golfing eagles]

You miss my point entirely. I do not wish to compare cv's. I was pointing out that your CV doesn't make you an expert on anything. It seems to me you are saying that I should have listened to my doctors, took the pills, and continued my lifestyle of drinking and eating sugar, and carbs.

I did quit the drinking to a great degree but that isn't what cured me. I was still 240 lbs at 6' tall. I went on keto diet and in 4 weeks my BP went to 140/90 from around 170/110. My A1C went from 5.7 to 5.0. I lost 30 lbs in that month alone. My triglycerides were incredibly reduced and my total cholesterol was under 200. But my doctor still suggested statins because statins are good.

Well I can't really say what I think of doctors that are pushing pills instead of asking about diet and lifestyle but it wouldn't be pleasant. My mom suffered a stroke and has been suffering with severe dementia for over 10 years. She has zero quality of life and only after her stroke did we find out the doctors, with all their awards and incredible resumes, had her on 8 different pills. About 3 of them were for blood pressure and she had low blood pressure. I sit her hoping my mom will die so she can stop suffering and I blame the doctors. Again, all of my doctors have only suggested pills and nothing more. So I hope you are a good doctor. If you are then you are in the minority. But based on your attitude, because of your CV, I get the feeling you are just another pill pusher.

I think you may have missed my point as well.
First of all, I AM an expert in Internal Medicine. Every degree, every title, every award and even the court system of NY State acknowledges that I AM AN EXPERT. PERIOD. NO DEBATE. NO QUESTION about it.
Second, I never advocated 30+ cocktails/week. Nor excessive sugar. But you will never convince me that your significant improvement had anything to do with seed oils and not losing 30 pounds and 30 cocktails. If you think so, you are deluding yourself
Third, there are well defined criteria for which patients should be prescribed statins. If you meet those criteria, your physician will want you to take them. That does not make him a "pill pusher"
Fourth, I read your mom's story differently. It appears you think she had a stroke because of 8 different pills; more likely it was in spite of them. Yet you are hell bent on blaming "doctors".
Fifth, "good doctors" ARE NOT "the minority", despite anecdotal social media posts
Lastly, for those who think doctors are greedy. only out to make money, and get kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies, think again. Nobody goes into medicine to get rich--an MBA is much more valuable and takes less effort. The hours are long, the liability is outrageous, and the overhead enormous. And if drug companies give kickbacks, I must have been on vacation when they offered.

[golfing eagles]

And by the way, this first pic is me on doctor's advice (only pic I could find) and then today on keto diet.
https://i.imgur.com/mGjzihKm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/n1zkDiPm.jpg

Now that is great. Congratulations!!. But again, everything to do with losing the weight and excessive alcohol and nothing to do with "seed oils"