Diabetes and Blindness

[MorTech]

Fascinating lecture to prevent blindness from diabetes/insulin resistance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDGvEI7znkE

[MorTech]

Takeaway....

Fact: Homo Sapiens are carnivores - NOT omnivores/herbivores.
Fact: Carbohydrates and plant seed PUFAs are metabolic toxins.

That is all we really need to know for a full health life where all our body parts stay intact and working.

[golfing eagles]

Takeaway....

Fact: Homo Sapiens are carnivores - NOT omnivores/herbivores.
Fact: Carbohydrates and plant seed PUFAs are metabolic toxins.

That is all we really need to know for a full health life where all our body parts stay intact and working.

NOT A FACT

FACT----Without carbohydrates everyone of us would be dead in seconds.

PS: This is the same nonsense that got the last thread on this subject closed. But for those that want references to studies and LEGITIMATE experts, just for search the thread "Is it possible to get off all prescription medications". I gave at least 3 citations as to why all the hype about seed oils is complete NONSENSE. All we get from the proponents of this ridiculous Stephen Gundry garbage is anecdotal opinion.

Never mind searching, here are some excerpts:

So, he sells books, does podcasts, and btw sells a whole array of "supplements". No surprise. Now, here's the 411 on "Doctor" Stephen Gundry:
"Steven Robert Gundry (born July 11, 1950) is an American physician, low-carbohydrate diet author and former cardiothoracic surgeon.[1][2] Gundry is the author of The Plant Paradox: The Hidden Dangers in "Healthy" Foods That Cause Disease and Weight Gain, which promotes the controversial and pseudoscientific lectin-free diet.[3] He runs an experimental clinic investigating the impact of a lectin-free diet on health.

Gundry has made erroneous claims that lectins, a type of plant protein found in numerous foods, cause inflammation resulting in many modern diseases.[4] His Plant Paradox diet suggests avoiding all foods containing lectins.[5] Scientists and dietitians have classified Gundry's claims about lectins as pseudoscience.[5][6] He sells supplements that he claims protect against or reverse the supposedly damaging effects of lectins.[7]"
Glad it works for you, great. But anecdotal evidence is what the snake oil salesmen thrive upon. Please reference a multi-centered, double blinded, placebo-controlled study of at least 5,000 individuals published in a reputable medical journal (again. not the Southern Mongolian Journal of Pseudoscientific and Holistic Crap) that supports the concept of seed oils as being "poison". (I've never heard of a murder trial where the weapon was sunflower seed oil )

From the Cleveland Clinic:

Have you heard the claim that seed oils are “toxic”? Some social media users blame them for everything, from acne and weight gain to cancer and infertility. But as is so often the case, the truth is a lot more nuanced than TikTok typically reveals.

From the American Heart Association:

"There's no reason to avoid seed oils and plenty of reasons to eat them

The "Hateful Eight" may sound like an old-time Western movie, but this showdown doesn't involve cowboys or horses or even guns. It's a battle over the supposed dangers posed by eight seed oils – canola, corn, cottonseed, grapeseed, soy, rice bran, sunflower and safflower – and it's being fought on social media.

To listen to some people on TikTok, YouTube or any of a number of podcasts, the oil extracted from these plants is poisoning us. But is it, really?

"It's so odd that the internet has gone wild demonizing these things," said Dr. Christopher Gardner, a professor of medicine at Stanford University School of Medicine in California and a nutrition scientist at the Stanford Prevention Research Center. "They are not to be feared."

So once again, I await the rebuttal that will only include speculation, anecdotes, and amateur opinions.

[MorTech]

Takeaway 2.....

Carbohydrates and PUFA seed oil cause vascular permeability and rupture. The body responds with cholesterol to repair any blood leakage. Over time, this can cause plaguing and blockage leading to a heart attack. Cholesterol is not the CAUSE...It's the response.

"Saturated fat and cholesterol cause heart disease" and "Plant seed PUFA oils are heart healthy" are just plain WRONG!

Find yourselves a REAL doctor....Praise Robert Kennedy Jr.

[MorTech]

"FACT----Without carbohydrates everyone of us would be dead in seconds"

Can you provide even one medical case/death attributed to a carbohydrate deficiency? I'll wait.
Fact: consuming carbohydrates are non-essential and harmful to humans.

[margaretmattson]

"FACT----Without carbohydrates everyone of us would be dead
in seconds"

Can you provide
even one
medical case/death attributed to a carbohydrate deficiency? I'll wait.
Fact: consuming carbohydrates are non-essential and harmful to humans.I have no medical background. But, I do know the primary source of energy in the human body is carbohydrates. Biology 101- 10th grade

Americans eat an overload of carbohydrates. Cutting down on portion size is all that is needed to control weight and remain healthy. Skip the giant plate of pasta and garlic bread or rolls, and choose meat with vegetables instead.

I have a friend who needed emergency surgery. However, she was severely malnourished. She ate 3 meals every day like you and I, but refused to eat any sort of carbs. (She had a strong adversion to the taste of nearly every vegetable. Wheat, sugar, and fructose were the devil's creations.) The end result? She had to remain in the hospital for weeks until she was healthy enough to have the needed surgery. Her hospital bill was over the roof. She is in debt but now eats vegetables, fruits, and whole grains.

Another friend bragged of how much weight he lost on a carnivore diet. He stayed on his diet of eggs, butter, bacon, and beef. He happily brought up the fact that he rarely poops. His body turned on him. He now has all sorts of medical issues.

I find it unfathomable that a person will self precribe instead of consulting a doctor. When my friends talk as if they are medical experts, I can see their future. Pain, surgery, and months of recovery. Or, six feet under. I have no self prescibing friend or family member who has not suffered this fate.

[golfing eagles]

Takeaway 2.....

Carbohydrates and PUFA seed oil cause vascular permeability and rupture. The body responds with cholesterol to repair any blood leakage. Over time, this can cause plaguing and blockage leading to a heart attack. Cholesterol is not the CAUSE...It's the response.

"Saturated fat and cholesterol cause heart disease" and "Plant seed PUFA oils are heart healthy" are just plain WRONG!

Find yourselves a REAL doctor....Praise Robert Kennedy Jr.

"FACT----Without carbohydrates everyone of us would be dead in seconds"

Can you provide even one medical case/death attributed to a carbohydrate deficiency? I'll wait.
Fact: consuming carbohydrates are non-essential and harmful to humans.

And here we go again. You don't have to wait long. I'd like to have this debate with equal knowledge of human physiology and intermediary metabolism, but alas, that is not possible. So maybe I can explain it this way:

Energy is produced in the human body's cells (yes, the energy to filter through the kidneys, pump the heart, and in some cases run the brain) by a complicated series of chemical reactions on CARBOHYDRATES and related compounds by 23 enzymes and co-enzymes known as the Kreb's cycle. The result is the production of ATP (Adenosine Tri-Phosphate), which is the molecule that is used to power all cellular functions. Without it, AND BY DEFAULT, we are all dead in seconds. PERIOD. NO DEBATE. NO SEED OIL GARBAGE.

Really not all that hard to understand.

Now, I have put forth the physiology, citations, research and study by legitimate scientists, not social media gurus, and have had no rebuttal other than unsubstantiated amateur opinion, conjecture and regurgitation of some internet frauds. So the challenge to those who actually believe that remains:

Show me the multicentered, double-blinded, placebo-controlled study of at least 5,000 subjects that is published in a legitimate medical journal (again, NOT the Southern Mongolian Journal of Pseudoscientific and Holistic Crap) that supports these outlandish claims that have been shown to be erroneous time after time.

[ithos]

Takeaway....

Fact: Homo Sapiens are carnivores - NOT omnivores/herbivores.
Fact: Carbohydrates and plant seed PUFAs are metabolic toxins.

That is all we really need to know for a full health life where all our body parts stay intact and working.

Then why don't we have the digestive system and dental structure to eat raw meat? We are herbiovres just like many other large mammals. Too much animal protein leads to insulin resistance which eventually causes type 2 Diabetes unless you go carnivore. Eliminating whole food plant foods will have very negative health effects over time. It is also very detrimental to kidney health and promotes heart disease.

Saturated fatty acids induce insulin resistance in podocytes through inhibition of IRS1 via activation of both IKKβ and mTORC1 | Scientific Reports (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-78376-1)
https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-smart/fats/saturated-fats
Prospective observational studies in many populations showed that lower intake of saturated fat coupled with higher intake of polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat is associated with lower rates of CVD and of other major causes of death and all-cause mortality.
Just a moment... (https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIR.0000000000000510)

The diet that set the stage for people in Okinawa living into their 100s, experiencing some of the healthiest longevity in recorded history, was one of either a poor agricultural society or one bearing the hardships of war.
The Diet Of Okinawa, 1949: Low-Fat, High-Carb, Very Little Meat | Fanatic Cook (https://fanaticcook.com/2015/03/14/the-diet-of-okinawa-1949-low-fat-high-carb-very-little-meat)

[MorTech]

I don't recommend eating potatoes but Steak n Shake now cooks their fries in beef tallow. Maybe I will give them a try.

[ithos]

I don't recommend eating potatoes but Steak n Shake now cooks their fries in beef tallow. Maybe I will give them a try.

I wish to apologize. It is uncivil to criticize another persons religion.

[ithos]

The “Rice Diet” and Duke University | NC DNCR (https://www.dncr.nc.gov/blog/2016/05/06/rice-diet-and-duke-university)
On May 6, 1944, the Journal of the American Medical Association cited a study on the effect of what would become known as the “Rice Diet” on treating heart disease. Walter Kempner of Duke University presented the results at an AMA conference later that year.
...........

The regimen successfully treated disease without drugs. Its beneficial effects were dramatic, not only on kidney disease and hypertension, but also on cholesterol, cardiovascular disease, congestive heart failure and diabetes. Kempner found that the low fat content of the diet also enhanced weight loss.

This was far from the ideal treatment but it produced excellent results for that day. Present day programs with superior diets are even more effective.

This one is covered by Medicare:
NCA - Intensive Cardiac Rehabilitation (ICR) Program - Dr. Ornish'''s Program for Reversing Heart Disease (CAG-00419N) - Decision Memo (https://www.cms.gov/medicare-coverage-database/view/ncacal-decision-memo.aspx?proposed=N&NCAId=240&NcaName=Intensive+Cardiac+Rehabilitation+(ICR)+Pro gram+-+Dr.+Ornish)

[golfing eagles]

I wish to apologize. It is uncivil to criticize another persons religion.

I might have to join you, if we look at it that way. However, that would mean accepting "Doctor" Stephen Gundry as the "Pope" of seed oil, which I just can't stomach.

[jimjamuser]

Takeaway 2.....

Carbohydrates and PUFA seed oil cause vascular permeability and rupture. The body responds with cholesterol to repair any blood leakage. Over time, this can cause plaguing and blockage leading to a heart attack. Cholesterol is not the CAUSE...It's the response.

"Saturated fat and cholesterol cause heart disease" and "Plant seed PUFA oils are heart healthy" are just plain WRONG!

Find yourselves a REAL doctor....Praise Robert Kennedy Jr.
Note to all....Robert Kennedy Jr. does NOT have a medical degree.

[golfing eagles]

Note to all....Robert Kennedy Jr. does NOT have a medical degree.

Nor does he deserve “praise”

[MorTech]

I doubt many of you can understand the topic...Or probably didn't even watch the video.

Talk about religious dogma.

[MorTech]

I posted this mostly for people suffering with macular degeneration to consider.
I can't even imagine how much going blind sucks.

[golfing eagles]

I doubt many of you can understand the topic...Or probably didn't even watch the video.

Talk about religious dogma.

100% agree. There are CLEARLY those that don't understand the topic :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[ithos]

I doubt many of you can understand the topic...Or probably didn't even watch the video.

Talk about religious dogma.

Of course I understand. I used to be a believer. And do you know how many videos on youtube there are espsousing the carnivore diet or something similar? There is no doubt that in the short term you will lose weight and some cherry picked bio markers will improve but that is not a credible way to evaluate a diet strategy. Show me evidence from, randomized control trials, cohort studies, cross sectional population studies, or meta analysis and systematic reviews that it extends life span and reduces the odds of being afflicted with major diseases.

Show me the videos where your kidney function doesn't degrade over decades of eating mostly animal protein.
Red Meat Intake and Risk of ESRD - PubMed (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27416946/)
Red meat intake strongly associated with ESRD risk in a dose-dependent manner (hazard ratio for highest quartile versus lowest quartile,1.40 [95% CI, 1.15 to 1.71; Ptrend<0.001]).

Or that it doesn't increase the chance of cancer over the long term.
Consumption of red meat and processed meat and cancer incidence: a systematic review and meta-analysis of prospective studies - PubMed (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34455534)
This comprehensive systematic review and meta-analysis study showed that high red meat intake was positively associated with risk of breast cancer, endometrial cancer, colorectal cancer, colon cancer, rectal cancer, lung cancer, and hepatocellular carcinoma, and high processed meat intake was positively associated with risk of breast, colorectal, colon, rectal, and lung cancers. Higher risk of colorectal, colon, rectal, lung, and renal cell cancers were also observed with high total red and processed meat consumption.

I have been on a plant based diet for about 12 years and have experienced all the benefits you claim that comes from a carnivore diet and more. Every meaningful bio marker has improved and is in range. My PSA dropped to .7, lost most of my fat, never have any food urges (except for sweets). And best of all there are hundreds of peer reviewed studies that predicted the success I have achieved. They include proof that statistically my diet will extend lifespan and dramatically reduce the incidence of major diseases. Plant-based diet and risk of all-cause mortality: a systematic review and meta-analysisPlant-based diet and risk of all-cause mortality: a systematic review and meta-analysis - PubMed (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39507899/)


So please find the similar studies that will validate your YouTube hero's claim. It should show results like these:
Results: We identified 28 publications that included a total of over 2.21 million participants. Adhering to the EAT-Lancet dietary patterns was negatively associated with diabetes, CVD (mortality), all-cause mortality, and cancer (mortality), with HRs of 0.78 (95 % CI: 0.65-0.92), 0.84 (95 % CI: 0.81-0.87), 0.83 (95 % CI: 0.78-0.89), and 0.86 (95 % CI: 0.80-0.92), respectively. Significant heterogeneity was observed for diabetes (I2 = 94.0 %), all-cause mortality (I2 = 85.5 %), and cancer incidence (I2 = 79.3 %). Importantly, no evidence of publication bias was found for any of the clinical outcomes analyzed. Sensitivity analyses confirmed the robustness of the results across various dietary scoring systems for CVD mortality, all-cause mortality, and cancer.
Conclusion: Following the EAT-Lancet diet was significantly associated with reduced odds of diabetes, CVD, cancer and mortality. These findings are clinically important, highlighting the beneficial effects of the recent EAT-Lancet diet on various health outcomes.Emerging EAT-Lancet planetary health diet is associated with major cardiovascular diseases and all-cause mortality: A global systematic review and meta-analysis - PubMed (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39489999/)

[MorTech]

Eating meat does not cause kidney failure or cancer...This is obviously wrong - OBVIOUSLY! Homo Sapiens would not exist!

Did they screen the participants for kidney damage and cancer before the trial?
How many (percentage) got kidney failure and/or cancer?

Carbohydrates and PUFA cause insulin resistance (and diabetes) down to the mitochondria level. The destruction of cells can result in cancerous cell storm mostly due to weakened immune system. Cancer cells can only survive on glucose. Normal cells survice on glucose and fat. The body makes all the sugar it needs from fat/protein...Obviously! Just like all carnivores!

Do you disagree that carbohydrates and PUFA oils (proven to damage blood vessels - and every cell in your body) cause macular degeneration?

I have been on a low carb diet (Thanks Dr Atkins and Drs Eades) for 30 years. I have been on a near-zero carb diet for the last 1.5 years...I even managed to quit coffee, which I still miss. My eyesite is now just starting to get a little fuzzy and I have been staring into computer monitors all my adult life. No kidney/cardiac failure or cancer yet.

[MorTech]

Fact: Homo Sapiens are carnivores.
Fact: Carbohydrates are non-essential.

If you disagree with those then there really is no helping you.

[golfing eagles]

Fact: Homo Sapiens are carnivores.
Fact: Carbohydrates are non-essential.

If you disagree with those then there really is no helping you.

I think you meant to post that humans are omnivores and carbohydrates are essential. My invitation remains open—-cite a legitimate scientific study

[MorTech]

For those with curious and rational adult minds: You might want to spelunk the internet for articals/studies by Drs. Michael and Mary Dan Eades. They have been proving Ancel Keys and AMA Quacks wrong since the 1990s

[MorTech]

I think you meant to post that humans are omnivores and carbohydrates are essential. My invitation remains open—-cite a legitimate scientific study

Great! So you found a medical case attributed to a "Carbohydrate Deficiency"!

Please post a link so we can all see!

I can't wait!

I will embrace your statement after review!

[ithos]

Eating meat does not cause kidney failure or cancer...This is obviously wrong - OBVIOUSLY! Homo Sapiens would not exist!

Did they screen the participants for kidney damage and cancer before the trial?
How many (percentage) got kidney failure and/or cancer?

Carbohydrates and PUFA cause insulin resistance (and diabetes) down to the mitochondria level. The destruction of cells can result in cancerous cell storm mostly due to weakened immune system. Cancer cells can only survive on glucose. Normal cells survice on glucose and fat. The body makes all the sugar it needs from fat/protein...Obviously! Just like all carnivores!

Do you disagree that carbohydrates and PUFA oils (proven to damage blood vessels - and every cell in your body) cause macular degeneration?

I have been on a low carb diet (Thanks Dr Atkins and Drs Eades) for 30 years. I have been on a near-zero carb diet for the last 1.5 years...I even managed to quit coffee, which I still miss. My eyesite is now just starting to get a little fuzzy and I have been staring into computer monitors all my adult life. No kidney/cardiac failure or cancer yet.

There are some animal food sources that have nutrients critical to good eye health. I hope you have researched that.

[MorTech]

Carbohydrates and plant seed oils can cause insulin resistance/chronic inflammation/diabetes that damages every cell in the human body down to the mitochondria level. Almost every modern disease and ailment is caused by this.

That is an accurate statement...I will leave it at that.

[golfing eagles]

Great! So you found a medical case attributed to a "Carbohydrate Deficiency"!

Please post a link so we can all see!

can't wait!

I will embrace your statement after review!

Don’t have to. Even someone with knowledge of physiology equal to a freshman pre-med student knows that we are dead in seconds without carbohydrates. I thought I explained the role of the Krebs cycle in intermediary metabolism already, it really is quite simple. But if you need a reference, I would suggest any introduction to biology textbook

[golfing eagles]

Carbohydrates and plant seed oils can cause insulin resistance/chronic inflammation/diabetes that damages every cell in the human body down to the mitochondria level. Almost every modern disease and ailment is caused by this.

That is an accurate statement...I will leave it at that.

That has been shown to be total BS time and time again. It is a completely inaccurate statement and I’ll leave it at that

[margaretmattson]

Eating meat does not cause kidney failure or cancer...This is obviously wrong - OBVIOUSLY! Homo Sapiens would not exist!

Did they screen the participants for kidney damage and cancer before the trial?
How many (percentage) got kidney failure and/or cancer?

Carbohydrates and PUFA cause insulin resistance (and diabetes) down to the mitochondria level. The destruction of cells can result in cancerous cell storm mostly due to weakened immune system. Cancer cells can only survive on glucose. Normal cells survice on glucose and fat. The body makes all the sugar it needs from fat/protein...Obviously! Just like all carnivores!

Do you disagree that carbohydrates and PUFA oils (proven to damage blood vessels - and every cell in your body) cause macular degeneration?

I have been on a low carb diet (Thanks Dr Atkins and Drs Eades) for 30 years. I have been on a near-zero carb diet for the last 1.5 years...I even managed to quit coffee, which I still miss. My eyesite is now just starting to get a little fuzzy and I have been staring into computer monitors all my adult life. No kidney/cardiac failure or cancer yet.You stated that you are on a low carb diet. If you are consuming fruits and vegetables (which are carbs) you are nourishing your body with essential vitamins and minerals. An all meat diet depletes your body of these nutrients. Eventually, a person on a true carnivore diet will have health issues.

History provides us with information on depletion diets. Mariners died from scurvy due to lack of vitamin c. They began to carry limes on their excursions and the disease on their ships disappeared. Scurvy still exists today. People who do not eat fruit and vegetables are affected. There you go! One example of MILLIONS DYING due to not eating carbs. Yet, the doctor on this video is promoting avoiding citrus? A proven food that saved millions of lives? I rolled my eyes and turned the video off at this point. Quack!

Most of us have heard of osteoporosis and osteomalacia. We make certain we eat foods containing calcium to avoid this disease. Meat does not contain calcium. Do you think you can live without strong bones? Iodine was added to salt to eliminate goiters. Vitamin D was added to milk to prevent rickets. There are hundreds of PROVEN diseases caused by depletion diets.
Recently, I have witnessed friends and family members SUFFERING with excruciating pain (and I mean suffering) due to brainwashed, depletion diets.

As I stated, I am not in the medical profession. However, it is easy for me to understand a lack of vitamins and minerals, and a diet high in fat will eventually cause health issues. As golfing eagles would say, PERIOD!

I, as a lay person, can provide a few examples of what happens to those on depletion diets. Think what a physian of 30 years has seen! Why argue with GE? Take in his knowledge and LEARN. IMO, any doctor who promotes depletion diets is a quack. (history proves this) I applaud GE for calling it like it is. PERIOD!!!!!

BTW: Atkins had a history of heart disease. He couldn't keep himself healthy let alone others. Thanks, but I'll pass on his advice. Just another quack doctor more interested in earning millions instead of saving lives.

[MorTech]

It saddens me to think of all those Inuit people dying from kidney failure and heart disease and cancer and "carbohydrate deficiency" and lack of fruits and vegetables (with all those "nutrients" that people can't seem to specify/quantify). I bet they wished they had the AMA and "Food Pyramid" to set them straight!

You can live perfectly healthy on only meat/eggs/butter/water...Most fruits and vegetables contain metabolic toxins to all carnivores and not just humans...These be facts. Megadoses of Vitamin C will help remove toxins from metabolized carbohydrate an seed oil.

[margaretmattson]

It saddens me to think of all those Inuit people dying from kidney failure and heart disease and cancer and "carbohydrate deficiency" and lack of fruits and vegetables (with all those "nutrients" that people can't seem to specify/quantify). I bet they wished they had the AMA and "Food Pyramid" to set them straight!

You can live perfectly healthy on only meat/eggs/butter/water...Most fruits and vegetables contain metabolic toxins to all carnivores and not just humans...These be facts.Do you have Inuit DNA? If you have European DNA, you are taking a risk. Throughout history, depletion diets killed millions of European descent. And, those are the recorded and PROVEN facts.

[MorTech]

What does DNA have to do with it? Homo Sapiens are carnivores.
What precisely is a depletion diet? depleted of what specifically ?

Some people can handle larger amounts of carbohydrate toxins than others depending on individual insulin response. About 30g carbs per day is the average biological limit to avoid insulin resistance and cellular damage.

[margaretmattson]

InWhat does DNA have to do with it? Homo Sapiens are carnivores.
What precisely is a depletion diet? depleted of what specifically ?

Some people can handle larger amounts of carbohydrate toxins than others depending on individual insulin response.DNA has EVERYTHING to do with disease. Inuits have a unique DNA. They are genetically able to survive on a high fat diet. I will let the doctors on this forum explain.

Depletion means completely without.

I gave you examples: Mariners lived on a diet COMPLETELY WITHOUT vitamin c. Millions died from scurvy. A disease caused by a lack of vitamin c. When they added limes to their diet, the disease disappeared.

Rickets, Beriberi, osteoporosis, and hundreds more diseases ARE CAUSED BY A DIET VOID of necessary vitamins and minerals.

[MorTech]

If you consume large amounts of carbohydrates and not much meat (Like the oldtime Mariners did) you will need vitamin C to remove the toxins. You do not need supplemental vitamin C if you don't consume metabolic toxins that produce free radicals. They also suffered from gout because they drank beer and rum instead of water - water was pretty toxic at the time. Alcohol killed off the microbes.

LOL...I know the definition...Depleted OF WHAT?

Do you think meat is void of necessary vitamins and minerals? What specifically are these vitamins and minerals? Beef is probably the most nutrient dense meat.

Carbohydrates and PUFA oils have everything to do with disease as well.

[margaretmattson]

InIf you consume large amounts of carbohydrates
and not much
meat (Like the
oldtime
Mariners did)
you will need
vitamin C to
remove the
toxins. You do
not need
supplemental
vitamin C if you
don't consume
metabolic toxins
that produce
free radicals.
They also
suffered from
gout because they drank beer and rum instead
of water - water
was pretty toxic
at the time.
Alcohol killed off
the microbes.

LOL...I know the
definition...Depleted OF WHAT?













Do you think meat is void of necessary vitamins and minerals? What specifically are these vitamins and minerals? Beef is probably the most nutrient dense meat.

Carbohydrates and PUFA oils have everything to do with disease as well.Cool! You do not believe Inuits have a unique DNA that genetically enables them to survive on a high fat diet. But, have a high rate of brain anuerisms.

According to you, scurvy is not caused by lack of vitamin c. Even though, it has been proven to be a FACT.

How do you feel about these diseases caused by not eating dairy, fruits, and vegetables?

Rickets, night blindness, osteoporosis, pellagra...

There are HUNDREDS of these diseases. We can on and on, if you'd like.

[MorTech]

Anyway...Megadoses of vitamin C is always a good thing...Removing free radicals caused mainly by carbohydrate and PUFA oil consumption will reduce inflammation and boost collagen production.

I think polar bear is the most nutrient dense meat but most will complain they are too cute to eat :)

Plants are very low in nutrients...Herbivores have to constantly eat in order to survive.

[Whatnext]

"""According to you, scurvy is not caused by lack of vitamin c. Even though, it has been proven to be a FACT."""

Scurvy was definitely caused by lack of vitamin C, that is why in olden times, ships loaded barrels of apples to combat it.
Just as there is no need to take processed vitamin C tablets if you eat a reasonable amount of fresh fruit and veg, which is absent in red meat.

[margaretmattson]

Anyway...Megadoses of vitamin C is always a good
thing...Removing
free radicals
caused mainly
by carbohydrate
and PUFA oil
consumption
will reduce
inflammation
and boost
collagen
production.

I think polar bear
is the most
nutrient dense
meat but most
will complain
they are too cute
to eat :)

Plants are very
low in
nutrients...Herbi
vores have to
constantly eat in
order to survive.WOWSA! GE tried to explain to you the most essential nutrient in the human body IS CARBOHYDRATES. But, hey! He just has a medical degree and practiced internal medicine for 30 years. I get it! What could he possibly know?

Meat also has no vitamin c, but you are okay with that.

Meat does not have fiber, choline, phytochemicals, non heme iron, omega 3 fatty acids (except some fish) and calcium. Let me know how your body deplete of these nutrients works out for you.

Yes! People who eat carbohydrates eat more often than those who eliminate them. Why? Carbohydrates are the body's primary source of energy. Your body will convert them more quickly than protein. BECAUSE YOUR BODY NEEDS ENERGY TO SURVIVE.

[ithos]

It saddens me to think of all those Inuit people dying from kidney failure and heart disease and cancer and "carbohydrate deficiency" and lack of fruits and vegetables (with all those "nutrients" that people can't seem to specify/quantify). I bet they wished they had the AMA and "Food Pyramid" to set them straight!
You can live perfectly healthy on only meat/eggs/butter/water...Most fruits and vegetables contain metabolic toxins to all carnivores and not just humans...These be facts. Megadoses of Vitamin C will help remove toxins from metabolized carbohydrate an seed oil.
I wonder why the low carbers don't talk about the health of the Ugandans in the 1950s whose diet was almost exclusively plant based?

Recent autopsy records at Washington University in St. Louis and Makerere College in Uganda, East Africa were reviewed to determine the incidences of venous thrombi and pulmonary thromboembolic phenomena, as well as the incidences of myocardial infarcts, in three groups of patients: (1) St. Louis Whites, (2) St. Louis Blacks, and (3) Uganda Blacks.
The incidence of myocardial infarcts was high in St. Louis white patients, intermediate in St. Louis Blacks and practically nil in Uganda Blacks; the only infarct found in Uganda among 1,427 patients over forty years of age was a small healed one.[/I]
Incidence of myocardial infarction correlated with venous and pulmonary thrombosis and embolism. A geographic study based on autopsies in Uganda. East Africa and St. Louis, U.S.A - PubMed (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/13838030)


Oh another myth that the low carbers love to cling to since it is the only thread of potential evidence to validate their preposterous claims that plants are detrimental to human health. The Inuits had very high rates of CAD. But they died more often of strokes than heart failure.
Eskimos have CHD despite high consumption of omega-3 fatty acids: the Alaska Siberia project - PubMed (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16277122/)


[I]The evidence for a low mortality from IHD among the Inuit is fragile and rests on unreliable mortality statistics. Mortality from stroke, however, is higher among the Inuit than among other western populations. Based on the examination of 15 candidate gene polymorphisms, the Inuit genetic architecture does not obviously explain putative differences in cardiovascular disease prevalence.
Low incidence of cardiovascular disease among the Inuit--what is the evidence? - PubMed (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12535749/)

Most studies found that the Greenland Eskimos and the Canadian and Alaskan Inuit have CAD as often as the non-Eskimo populations. Notably, Bang and Dyerberg's studies from the 1970s did not investigate the prevalence of CAD in this population; however, their reports are still routinely cited as evidence for the cardioprotective effect of the "Eskimo diet." We discuss the possible motives leading to the misinterpretation of these seminal studies.
"Fishing" for the origins of the "Eskimos and heart disease" story: facts or wishful thinking? - PubMed (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25064579/)

"The Eskimo Myth": The Truth About Heart Health (https://nutritionfacts.org/blog/the-eskimo-myth/)

[JMintzer]

Anyway...Megadoses of vitamin C is always a good thing...Removing free radicals caused mainly by carbohydrate and PUFA oil consumption will reduce inflammation and boost collagen production.

I think polar bear is the most nutrient dense meat but most will complain they are too cute to eat :)

Plants are very low in nutrients...Herbivores have to constantly eat in order to survive.

So how is one supposed to get these "Megadoses of Vit C"?

Fruits and vegetables, which you claim are bad for you...

[golfing eagles]

WOWSA! GE tried to explain to you the most essential nutrient in the human body IS CARBOHYDRATES. But, hey! He just has a medical degree and practiced internal medicine for 30 years. I get it! What could he possibly know?

Meat also has no vitamin c, but you are okay with that.

Meat does not have fiber, choline, phytochemicals, non heme iron, omega 3 fatty acids (except some fish) and calcium. Let me know how your body deplete of these nutrients works out for you.

Yes! People who eat carbohydrates eat more often than those who eliminate them. Why? Carbohydrates are the body's primary source of energy. Your body will convert them more quickly than protein. BECAUSE YOUR BODY NEEDS ENERGY TO SURVIVE.

Yep. Well, I tried education, I tried logic. So let's try this:

Occam's Razor------

Which is more likely:

A) Posters on TOTV who espouse that seed oils are the cause of all disease have PhD's in human physiology and have done their own exhaustive independent research proving their point, but have never published it in a reputable scientific journal, since no such study exists

OR.....

B) They have no education or experience in the field but a simply parroting the ravings of fraudulent internet guru quacks whose theories have been disproved over and over again

Not really a hard choice.

[MorTech]

Yep. Well, I tried education, I tried logic. So let's try this:

Occam's Razor------

Which is more likely:

A) Posters on TOTV who espouse that seed oils are the cause of all disease have PhD's in human physiology and have done their own exhaustive independent research proving their point, but have never published it in a reputable scientific journal, since no such study exists

OR.....

B) They have no education or experience in the field but a simply parroting the ravings of fraudulent internet guru quacks whose theories have been disproved over and over again

Not really a hard choice.

I do not see your link to the carbohydrate deficiency case.
Please try to post the link again.

[MorTech]

30 day metabolic toxin purge.

Eat just beef/shrimp/water for 30 days. Eat when hungry - stop when full. After about the first week you will start feeling better and after 30 days you will feel better than you have in your life.

After that, tell me I'm wrong.

[golfing eagles]

I do not see your link to the carbohydrate deficiency case.
Please try to post the link again.

I’ve explained it 3 different ways. Please provide a link to prove 1+1=2

[golfing eagles]

30 day metabolic toxin purge.

Eat just beef/shrimp/water for 30 days. Eat when hungry - stop when full. After about the first week you will start feeling better and after 30 days you will feel better than you have in your life.

After that, tell me I'm wrong.

I’ll skip the ridiculous diet and go directly to stating you’re wrong (12th time)

[MorTech]

I’ll skip the ridiculous diet and go directly to stating you’re wrong (12th time)

You can't comprehend the subject matter because you are void of scientific understanding. This post is really for those who at least try to figure things out for themselves. It takes a little curiosity.

Did you even watch the video?