Why does TV move only to the south? What's restricting building N, W, E?

[AMB444]

Just curious why building is south only.

I'm sure there are established homes N, W, E.

But TV could offer a good price for the land?

At what point do you think TV developers will run out of land south, and then come back to the north?

[dewilson58]

It's the only way to connect to Disney.

[retiredguy123]

No snow to the south.

[Wing-nut2]

Availability of large pieces of land.

[Teed_Off]

Could it be that the land N, W and E is already developed?

[Arctic Fox]

Just curious why building is south only.

I suspect that the developer wants The Villages to remain connected - ease of getting to all of the golf courses etc.

Having just one way over 441/27 (the bridge) would limit that, although it would provide incentive to get permission to cross that road at street level

[Bill14564]

Just curious why building is south only.

I'm sure there are established homes N, W, E.

But TV could offer a good price for the land?

At what point do you think TV developers will run out of land south, and then come back to the north?

My guess:
Political: Amenable County commissioners.
Physical: Major roadways and towns

The northern limit is Rt 42 and Marion county. There is some growth into Marion but only as far as 42.

The western limit is 301 and Wildwood. While Wildwood has annexed some of the land the Villages is built on, I don't know of a case where the Villages has displaced a large number of existing Wildwood structures.

The eastern limit is 441, Leesburg, and Lake county. The Villages started east of 441 in Lake county but then grew west of 441 in Sumter county. There is still some growth into Lake county but it mostly appears to be the small areas to the south of Lake Denham and north of the Turnpike. It will be interesting to see if growth continues south of the Turnpike in Lake county.

The southern limit appears to be the next highway that needs to be crossed. 466, 466A, 44, Turnpike, and now 470 have been crossed. The next hurdle will be 48. The town of Center Hill sits on 48 but that could become the next Middleton.

50 comes after that and Sumter county begins to narrow. At that point there would be only a little bit of Lake county to cross to get to Disney but the Villages knows how to work with Lake county. Also a little over a year ago the Central Florida Expressway announced work on 516 which would connect from 419 near Disney to 27 near Lake Adain south of Clermont. While 516 wouldn't stretch all the way to potential Villages land in Sumter county, it still gets better than half way there.

[Tvflguy]

Just curious why building is south only.

I'm sure there are established homes N, W, E.

But TV could offer a good price for the land?

At what point do you think TV developers will run out of land south, and then come back to the north?

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They were concerned about the snow belt.

[vintageogauge]

West of 301 south of Wildwood is blocked by railroad crossings and I-75 that is mostly going to be commercial and industrial growth that has already started. I foresee the next generation concentrating more and more on commercial and industrial growth and don't even want to think what traffic will be like then.

[jimhoward]

I've heard it said by a real estate agent that the Villages already owns enough land in the south to build homes at the current rate for the next 15 to 20 years. He says they own as far south as you can see from Eastport. I have no easy way or desire to check that claim, but they do for sure own a lot of land.

It would be impressive if the Villages Development Corp was able to build and sell 3000+ new homes/year for the next 20 years. But, will the demand for the villages going forward be strong enough to exceed that? Given the steadily increasing number of real estate listings, and the increasing time on the market, I doubt it.

So I think one thing that may limit development to the North, West and East is that the villages already has already bitten off as much as they can chew to the south.

[vintageogauge]

I've heard it said by a real estate agent that the Villages already owns enough land in the south to build homes at the current rate for the next 15 to 20 years. He says they own as far south as you can see from Eastport. I have no easy way or desire to check that claim, but they do for sure own a lot of land.

It would be impressive if the Villages Development Corp was able to build and sell 3000+ new homes/year for the next 20 years. But, will the demand for the villages going forward be strong enough to exceed that? Given the steadily increasing number of real estate listings, and the increasing time on the market, I doubt it.

So I think one thing that may limit development to the North, West and East is that the villages already has already bitten off as much as they can chew to the south.

I don't know that they ever sold 3000 new homes per year, over the last several years I believe they were selling 5 to 7 new homes per day. They will continue to sell them as I still remember being told by a Villages agent "where else can you buy a matching brand new home with a full warranty for less than a pre-owned home". A lot of people say well pre-owned homes have lower bonds, have made improvements, etc. but I still would choose a new home in a new neighborhood over a pre-owned and I think that is why there are so many pre-owned homes on the market for 3 to 6 months or even longer.

[DonH57]

I suspect that the developer wants The Villages to remain connected - ease of getting to all of the golf courses etc.

Having just one way over 441/27 (the bridge) would limit that, although it would provide incentive to get permission to cross that road at street level

That's possible. Trouble is if you live in the northern section it's damn near impossible now to get a tee time in the southern courses because the southern end residents don't want to even try to get any of the northern courses.

[Bill14564]

I don't know that they ever sold 3000 new homes per year, over the last several years I believe they were selling 5 to 7 new homes per day. They will continue to sell them as I still remember being told by a Villages agent "where else can you buy a matching brand new home with a full warranty for less than a pre-owned home". A lot of people say well pre-owned homes have lower bonds, have made improvements, etc. but I still would choose a new home in a new neighborhood over a pre-owned and I think that is why there are so many pre-owned homes on the market for 3 to 6 months or even longer.

According to the budget letter submitted by the county administrator each year, these are the numbers of single-family building permits issued:
2019: 2,727
2020: 2,797
2021: 3,882
2022: 3,708
2023: 1,300
2024: As of August 2024, appears to be an increase over 2023

Not all single-family homes were built in the Villages but many of them were. The budget letter giving a total for 2024 should be available in the July/August timeframe.

[Normal]

Marion County is a hard no on the Villages developing. Ocala wants nothing to do with a potential takeover of government by Villagers. A mistake clearly staring Wildwood straight in the eyes.

[Jayhawk]

That's possible. Trouble is if you live in the northern section it's damn near impossible now to get a tee time in the southern courses because the southern end residents don't want to even try to get any of the northern courses.

The tee time computer system does not have the artificial intelligence to know whether requests are from North or South residents. Maybe open up your time and course requests to include more opportunities.

[BillyGrown]

Marion County is a hard no on the Villages developing. Ocala wants nothing to do with a potential takeover of government by Villagers. A mistake clearly staring Wildwood straight in the eyes.

Wildwood was a dump before the Villages came to town. The Wildwood of 2002 was nothing like it is today.

[vintageogauge]

According to the budget letter submitted by the county administrator each year, these are the numbers of single-family building permits issued:
2019: 2,727
2020: 2,797
2021: 3,882
2022: 3,708
2023: 1,300
2024: As of August 2024, appears to be an increase over 2023

Not all single-family homes were built in the Villages but many of them were. The budget letter giving a total for 2024 should be available in the July/August timeframe.

Permits vs sales, I doubt very much that there were over 3,000 new homes actually sold in 2021 and 2022. I have the little booklets that they send out every quarter with the number of both new and used homes sold somewhere. If I find them or maybe someone else reading this will have them they will show the true numbers. I don't recall them ever selling 10 new homes per day .

[justjim]

OP, if you look at local maps you will see that The Developer was pretty much land locked to the north, east and west for large pieces of land that would make sense to invest and build on. Large pieces of Land to the south was available and at a price The Developer was willing to pay.

[Bill14564]

Permits vs sales, I doubt very much that there were over 3,000 new homes actually sold in 2021 and 2022. I have the little booklets that they send out every quarter with the number of both new and used homes sold somewhere. If I find them or maybe someone else reading this will have them they will show the true numbers. I don't recall them ever selling 10 new homes per day .

So with homes not selling and an inventory growing they submitted for 3,000 additional permits?

Or they are just amassing a pile of permits they intend to use someday?

Or there is another area in the county growing faster than the Villages that we don’t know about?

Number of homes in recent CDDs with at least CDD15 still under construction:
CDD 11: 2,055
CDD 12: 6,202
CDD 13: 8,062
CDD 14: 3,209
CDD 15: 3,700

23,000+ homes in 10 years is close to a 2,300/yr average. With a couple of slow years or homes that are not yet in a CDD, a 3,000 year or two is conceivable.

[Pugchief]

Marion County is a hard no on the Villages developing. Ocala wants nothing to do with a potential takeover of government by Villagers. A mistake clearly staring Wildwood straight in the eyes.

Yep, but the juicy tax revenue is hard to pass up....

[Pugchief]

Wildwood was a dump before the Villages came to town. The Wildwood of 2002 was nothing like it is today.

Wildwood is still a dump, aside from the section along Powell south of 466A and the section of 466A between Powell and BV. Driving along 301 does not make me want to spend time in town.

[Arctic Fox]

Wildwood was a dump before the Villages came to town. The Wildwood of 2002 was nothing like it is today.

I remember my first visit to TV in mid-2008 (pre Brownwood, of course) coming through the outskirts of Wildwood on the Villages Shuttle from MCO. Looking out of the window in the fading light I thought I was in deepest bayou country, with all of the small, wooden homes nestled amongst the trees.

[DonH57]

The tee time computer system does not have the artificial intelligence to know whether requests are from North or South residents. Maybe open up your time and course requests to include more opportunities.

True, but I should have clarified if I'm putting in as a single I usually have no problem this time of year, but if I'm in a group doing 4 or more the tee time system does use you play history as a factor in the courses you get.

[AMB444]

Thanks everyone for responding.

I was just wondering if those that live in the north along the edges of TV could expect any sort of TV expansion or possibly a few new smaller neighborhoods.

[Topspinmo]

Just curious why building is south only.

I'm sure there are established homes N, W, E.

But TV could offer a good price for the land?

At what point do you think TV developers will run out of land south, and then come back to the north?

Cause other districts north are built out and sold to districts (but what developers want they usually get) Highways/railroad tracks block east 301 and 441 west.

[Topspinmo]

Wildwood is still a dump, aside from the section along Powell south of 466A and the section of 466A between Powell and BV. Driving along 301 does not make me want to spend time in town.

What? They just put in new parking garage in down town wildwood. Across 301, how like dodge that traffic crossing street? :a040:

[Normal]

Thanks everyone for responding.

I was just wondering if those that live in the north along the edges of TV could expect any sort of TV expansion or possibly a few new smaller neighborhoods.

There is plenty of land already purchased south of 44, why bother ever going north again?

[BrianL99]

I still remember being told by a Villages agent "where else can you buy a matching brand new home with a full warranty for less than a pre-owned home".

A ridiculous statement, that's false on its face.

The market has decided that pre-owned homes are typically worth more than new, similar homes. TV doesn't get to control that, the market does and they've spoken.

Anyone who suggests the homes being built in the newer areas, compare with TV homes that were built 20 years ago, doesn't know anything about real estate.

As the Developer moved south, quality, amenities, convenience, atmosphere and aesthetics, also went south.

[Normal]

A ridiculous statement, that's false on its face.

The market has decided that pre-owned homes are typically worth more than new, similar homes. TV doesn't get to control that, the market does and they've spoken.

Anyone who suggests the homes being built in the newer areas, compare with TV homes that were built 20 years ago, doesn't know anything about real estate.

As the Developer moved south, quality, amenities, convenience, atmosphere and aesthetics, also went south.

Except the AC units are brand new, the roofs have zero years on them, all the appliances are new, you are closer to the more active squares and the amenities are all brand new. In addition, there is great golf and you are much closer to the Orlando airport.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Thanks everyone for responding.

I was just wondering if those that live in the north along the edges of TV could expect any sort of TV expansion or possibly a few new smaller neighborhoods.

There's no place for The Villages to build up there. The properties are all already owned and occupied by other developments, including trailer parks with 99-year land leases, other manufactured home communities where there are dozens of homeowners who also own the properties, StoneCrest and Spruce Creek. Across the street from The Villages on 42, a developer has already built single family homes in front of other housing developments, some of which were just finished and put up for sale this year.

[manaboutown]

The cheap land is to the south.

[AMB444]

There's no place for The Villages to build up there. The properties are all already owned and occupied by other developments, including trailer parks with 99-year land leases, other manufactured home communities where there are dozens of homeowners who also own the properties,

Sounds good. Thank you.

[sdeikenberry]

That's possible. Trouble is if you live in the northern section it's damn near impossible now to get a tee time in the southern courses because the southern end residents don't want to even try to get any of the northern courses.

Respectfully, what you say is not true. I’ve run a large priority membership golf group for some 8 years and we play twice a week at all TV champ courses. No problem getting morning tee times.

[jsa]

Just curious why building is south only.

I'm sure there are established homes N, W, E.

But TV could offer a good price for the land?

At what point do you think TV developers will run out of land south, and then come back to the north?

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[thevillages2013]

I don't know that they ever sold 3000 new homes per year, over the last several years I believe they were selling 5 to 7 new homes per day. They will continue to sell them as I still remember being told by a Villages agent "where else can you buy a matching brand new home with a full warranty for less than a pre-owned home". A lot of people say well pre-owned homes have lower bonds, have made improvements, etc. but I still would choose a new home in a new neighborhood over a pre-owned and I think that is why there are so many pre-owned homes on the market for 3 to 6 months or even longer.

AI magic

[Marathon Man]

Except the AC units are brand new, the roofs have zero years on them, all the appliances are new, you are closer to the more active squares and the amenities are all brand new. In addition, there is great golf and you are much closer to the Orlando airport.

Well said. Those that hate the south still make their silly false statements, yet sales of new homes continue. We love it down here.

[Michael 61]

Except the AC units are brand new, the roofs have zero years on them, all the appliances are new, you are closer to the more active squares and the amenities are all brand new. In addition, there is great golf and you are much closer to the Orlando airport.

Not to mention, for those who put importance on shopping and quality restaurants, it’s faster for those of us south of 44 to quickly jump on the Turnpike and have easy access to everything that’s available in Clermont and Winter Garden, with less travel time than it takes to get up to the 441/27 corridor near Spanish Springs.

And for those Disney fans, living south of 44 considerably cuts down on the commute time.

[Kelevision]

AI magic

It’s because of 2021 that there are so many homes for sale now. Too many people bought to use as rentals due to demand and now rentals are readily available. That and Canadians selling.

[Switter]

I remember my first visit to TV in mid-2008 (pre Brownwood, of course) coming through the outskirts of Wildwood on the Villages Shuttle from MCO. Looking out of the window in the fading light I thought I was in deepest bayou country, with all of the small, wooden homes nestled amongst the trees.

When I came here in 2023 I came off of the turnpike and went through Wildwood. Pretty sketchy area west of the railroad tracks/301. The only reason I go into Wildwood is to jump on the turnpike to go to Orlando or to visit the trek bike store.

[Switter]

Well said. Those that hate the south still make their silly false statements, yet sales of new homes continue. We love it down here.

The only thing I don't like about the south is there are not a lot of trees except for palm. It is that way on the west side of the turnpike where all the new construction is happening as well. There's very few of the big oaks like we have up here in the north, which are not only some of the coolest trees I've ever seen but they also shade the MMP's. I ride bike on the MMP's and the shade is super nice, especially in the summertime. I also think the north looks more "Neighbor-ish" versus the resort look of the south. It all depends on what you're looking for.

[twoplanekid]

Well said. Those that hate the south still make their silly false statements, yet sales of new homes continue. We love it down here.

Sales of preowned homes will be greater than new homes. Does that mean the north is better than the south. My 2013 built house now has a new roof and I replaced the old air conditioner with new last year. Does that make my house better? I enjoy where I am currently living in the Villages and hope others enjoy where they are living.

I lived in a large house way up north that was over 110 years old. The house that I now enjoy is only 12 years old. Both houses provided me with shelter and a great place to live.

Some people always like new things. I always seem to like/enjoy new cars yet always owned and flew old aircraft (46,59,76) that I also enjoyed. Everyone has their own likes and dislike to then form opinions about things. That is the way of life and as long as we can respect others I am OK with diverse thoughts. :icon_wink:

[thelegges]

Not to mention, for those who put importance on shopping and quality restaurants, it’s faster for those of us south of 44 to quickly jump on the Turnpike and have easy access to everything that’s available in Clermont and Winter Garden, with less travel time than it takes to get up to the 441/27 corridor near Spanish Springs.

And for those Disney fans, living south of 44 considerably cuts down on the commute time.

Well said Michael. In 07 we started next to LSL, then slowly moved 4 times farther south, last move to Richmond. Closer to turnpike and I-75.
We leave the bubble 80% to dine, beach, and enjoy parks. We drive about 5-15 miles less every time we leave the bubble. It’s not just the mileage we save on, but the mind numbing time of roundabouts, and those who have difficulty driving.

[MikeVillages]

I have heard that years ago TV wanted what is today’s northern part to be the center but Marion County was not interested & Sumter county was very eager for development. Can anyone confirm that?

[thelegges]

I have heard that years ago TV wanted what is today’s northern part to be the center but Marion County was not interested & Sumter county was very eager for development. Can anyone confirm that?
Take a drive outskirts of TV that May answer your questions, developers bought what worked in their plans and what was available. If a No was offered, hoping for More money, developers moved on. No Negotiations, one offer, take it or leave it
Confirmation would be all the property developers bought 5 plus years before developing the massive acreage. Developer owns more property that the average resident won’t hear about due to the final dirt nap.

[thelegges]

The cheap land is to the south.

Land hasn’t been cheap since ground broke for LSL. Farmers needed an out, and developers were happy to make an offer. Difference between TV developer and other developers? TV only makes one offer.

[phojo]

Years ago Marion County said No to The Villages further growth northward. Not sure about Lake County.

[Altavia]

Much off the land south of the Turnpike was owned by previous developers making acquisition of large tracts relatively easy.

Secret Promise is one example

https://www.legacysite.landbrokermls.com/members/documents/propdocs/1826_1408645118.pdf

Endless Horizon (https://www.floridatrend.com/article/39191/endless-horizon/)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ud6Bl80lWQA

[DonnaNi4os]

I was told that Marion County will not permit The Billages to move any further north. Apparently it has to do with voting which could risk the way Marion County’s horse industry, dog breeding and farming might be impacted. I believe this is the case and that is why in the Mulberry area there are no houses across 42 that are owned by Villagers. I also believe that the ultimate plan is to build as far south as the outskirts of Orlando

[DonnaNi4os]

I was told that Marion County will not permit The Villages to move any further north. Apparently it has to do with voting which could risk the way Marion County’s horse industry, dog breeding and farming might be impacted. I believe this is the case and that is why in the Mulberry area there are no houses across 42 that are owned by Villagers. I also believe that the ultimate plan is to build as far south as the outskirts of Orlando

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Years ago Marion County said No to The Villages further growth northward. Not sure about Lake County.

Lake County is ALREADY developed northward by other developers and individual homeowners, all the way up to the Ocala Forest, which is protected and can't be developed.

[EnzoDe]

I've heard it said by a real estate agent that the Villages already owns enough land in the south to build homes at the current rate for the next 15 to 20 years. He says they own as far south as you can see from Eastport. I have no easy way or desire to check that claim, but they do for sure own a lot of land.

It would be impressive if the Villages Development Corp was able to build and sell 3000+ new homes/year for the next 20 years. But, will the demand for the villages going forward be strong enough to exceed that? Given the steadily increasing number of real estate listings, and the increasing time on the market, I doubt it.

So I think one thing that may limit development to the North, West and East is that the villages already has already bitten off as much as they can chew to the south.


On radio program Coast to Coast AM on April 1st 2025 demographer and marketer Kenneth Gronbach discussed the profound demographic shifts currently shaping the global landscape.

He also addressed the implications of the aging baby boomer population (who are currently 61 to 80 years old), noting that "they have trillions of dollars" and so they continue to be a force to be recognized. States like Florida will likely see a rise in population as more of the boomers move there in retirement, he added.

“Peek of Baby Boomers are 1957, 58, 59, 60 and 61. These Boomers are not in Florida yet because they are too young. Once they come, Florida will explode”. *
* Coast-to-Coast-Apr-01-2025-Hour-1, Time 18:00

[BillyGrown]

On radio program Coast to Coast AM on April 1st 2025 demographer and marketer Kenneth Gronbach discussed the profound demographic shifts currently shaping the global landscape.

He also addressed the implications of the aging baby boomer population (who are currently 61 to 80 years old), noting that "they have trillions of dollars" and so they continue to be a force to be recognized. States like Florida will likely see a rise in population as more of the boomers move there in retirement, he added.

“Peek of Baby Boomers are 1957, 58, 59, 60 and 61. These Boomers are not in Florida yet because they are too young. Once they come, Florida will explode”. *
* Coast-to-Coast-Apr-01-2025-Hour-1, Time 18:00


They have already retired for the most part. Most likely have had their first social security check. If you were born in 1961, you are already 63 or 64 years of age.

[Bill14564]

...

“Peek of Baby Boomers are 1957, 58, 59, 60 and 61. These Boomers are not in Florida yet because they are too young. Once they come, Florida will explode”. *
* Coast-to-Coast-Apr-01-2025-Hour-1, Time 18:00

They have already retired for the most part. Most likely have had their first social security check. If you were born in 1961, you are already 63 or 64 years of age.

Yep. At 62 I am no longer the youngest in the neighborhood and I feel a bit old when I get south of 44.

[CybrSage]

A lot of people say well pre-owned homes have lower bonds, have made improvements, etc. but I still would choose a new home in a new neighborhood over a pre-owned and I think that is why there are so many pre-owned homes on the market for 3 to 6 months or even longer.

We bought a 1 year old pre-owned due to it both being a turnkey and having the color of counters and flooring we wanted.

A lot of people are turned off about not being able to pick the colors of things in a new home...unless you pony up a lot more money.

The lottery system is a great idea, but I know a couple who put in for 7 different houses before they finally were allowed to buy one. It was not exactly what they wanted even though it was brand new. They are removing the new carpeting they did not want at all but had to get.

For me, getting the colors I wanted AND a fully furnished 1 year old home for $10k over a brand new one with colors I disliked and no furniture was an easy choice.

The beauty of it is there are plenty of both to go around...we all win. :)

[merrymini]

The us versus them mentality is very silly. Wherever you live, you go to the activity you want to do. Yes the newer districts are different, so what? Anyone buying a house now will be living in it when it is 12 years old someday, unless you move every 12 years. They may run out of old people, though it looks like gen x may outnumber us.

[JMintzer]

I was told that Marion County will not permit The Billages to move any further north. Apparently it has to do with voting which could risk the way Marion County’s horse industry, dog breeding and farming might be impacted. I believe this is the case and that is why in the Mulberry area there are no houses across 42 that are owned by Villagers. I also believe that the ultimate plan is to build as far south as the outskirts of Orlando

I cannot see how that will be possible, as there are already multiple housing developments built (or being built) that are blocking the way.

[JMintzer]

On radio program Coast to Coast AM on April 1st 2025 demographer and marketer Kenneth Gronbach discussed the profound demographic shifts currently shaping the global landscape.

He also addressed the implications of the aging baby boomer population (who are currently 61 to 80 years old), noting that "they have trillions of dollars" and so they continue to be a force to be recognized. States like Florida will likely see a rise in population as more of the boomers move there in retirement, he added.

“Peek of Baby Boomers are 1957, 58, 59, 60 and 61. These Boomers are not in Florida yet because they are too young. Once they come, Florida will explode”. *
* Coast-to-Coast-Apr-01-2025-Hour-1, Time 18:00

Don't forget, Gen-Xers are now starting to retire and they are a demographic about the same size as the Boomers...

From the Google Machine:

"In the United States, the Baby Boomer generation (born 1946-1964) currently has a population share of 19.67%, while Generation X (born 1965-1980) has 19.27%. While the Boomer generation peaked at 78.8 million in 1999, Statista. By 2028, Pew Research Center projects Gen X to surpass Boomers in population, with 63.9 million Gen Xers and 62.9 million Boomers."

[G.R.I.T.S.]

There’re two places to cross 441 at traffic lights.

[Bill14564]

There’re two places to cross 441 at traffic lights.

Assuming you mean by golf cart, what are the two intersections and which are in the Villages?

[ElDiabloJoe]

Don't forget, Gen-Xers are now starting to retire and they are a demographic about the same size as the Boomers...

From the Google Machine:

"In the United States, the Baby Boomer generation (born 1946-1964) currently has a population share of 19.67%, while Generation X (born 1965-1980) has 19.27%. While the Boomer generation peaked at 78.8 million in 1999, Statista. By 2028, Pew Research Center projects Gen X to surpass Boomers in population, with 63.9 million Gen Xers and 62.9 million Boomers."
I am of that generation (Gen-X) having been born in 1969. I have also been retired fully since 2019, so Gen-X is here already thankyouerymuch.

[Marmaduke]

Marion County is a hard no on the Villages developing. Ocala wants nothing to do with a potential takeover of government by Villagers. A mistake clearly staring Wildwood straight in the eyes.
Exactly! Serene and Georgeous Ocala will never allow the family in.

T.V. is thought of a what could happen, if you let it.
Think of Myrtle Beach! No way!

[Nana2Teddy]

Not to mention, for those who put importance on shopping and quality restaurants, it’s faster for those of us south of 44 to quickly jump on the Turnpike and have easy access to everything that’s available in Clermont and Winter Garden, with less travel time than it takes to get up to the 441/27 corridor near Spanish Springs.

And for those Disney fans, living south of 44 considerably cuts down on the commute time.

Yes to Disney. A big reason we love living down south.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

On radio program Coast to Coast AM on April 1st 2025 demographer and marketer Kenneth Gronbach discussed the profound demographic shifts currently shaping the global landscape.

He also addressed the implications of the aging baby boomer population (who are currently 61 to 80 years old), noting that "they have trillions of dollars" and so they continue to be a force to be recognized. States like Florida will likely see a rise in population as more of the boomers move there in retirement, he added.

“Peek of Baby Boomers are 1957, 58, 59, 60 and 61. These Boomers are not in Florida yet because they are too young. Once they come, Florida will explode”. *
* Coast-to-Coast-Apr-01-2025-Hour-1, Time 18:00

Those baby boomers are 64, 65, 66, 67, and 68 years old now. They are absolutely in Florida, many of them have been here a decade or more already.

[Ruger2506]

If you look on OnX I'm not sure where else The Villages can expand to any further than what is already owned. Cattle companies own 11,000 acres to the south essentially blocking expansion. N, E, and W are blocked by small parcels that would be too cumbersome and painful to buy up.

[Ruger2506]

Those baby boomers are 64, 65, 66, 67, and 68 years old now. They are absolutely in Florida, many of them have been here a decade or more already.

I'm hoping there still is a mass influx around 2033-2035. I'm looking to cash in on my Fl property. Hopefully the early Gen-X think like Baby Boomers.

[kansasr]

I assume you're referring to Buffalo Hide and Cattle Company, which is The Developer.

[Ruger2506]

I assume you're referring to Buffalo Hide and Cattle Company, which is The Developer.
Huh, interesting. So they must have multiple LLC holdings. Yes, Buffalo Hide has 11,000 acres to the south of The Villages Developer LLC holdings.

[Papa_lecki]

Huh, interesting. So they must have multiple LLC holdings. Yes, Buffalo Hide has 11,000 acres to the south of The Villages Developer LLC holdings.

It’s almost like they’ve been doing this for 40 years.

[PilotAlan]

Those baby boomers are 64, 65, 66, 67, and 68 years old now.
People also tend to forget about increasing lifespans. So turnover of property will continue to get slower, requiring more units.

[ElDiabloJoe]

If you take the numbers that other posters have provided, The Villages sells, on average between 7 and 9 houses per day. Every day. 365 days a year. Including Christmas. That's some serious selling! If the average house is around 400K, they're bringing in 3.2Million / day every single day of the year, not including their commercial leases or other business enterprises. Not too shabby.

[Calisport]

The villages already has younger retired homeowners. I've met a few 30 and 40 somethings that own multiple houses including rentals.

[Ruger2506]

I assume you're referring to Buffalo Hide and Cattle Company, which is The Developer.

No wonder the bastards won't return my e-mails or phone calls and grant me access to hunt those properties.