Age old riddle solved!

[SHIBUMI]

After millions of dollars spent and millions of hours of sleep lost, the riddle, Which came first, the chicken or the egg. Has been solved.

Scientists have determined that a cross fowl species fertilization created an egg, which when hatched, had properties of both species but looked very different. So different that they were very afraid to name the new species. They looked at each other and said, I don't know why we are so chicken to come up with a name. So they decided to name it their dilemma, chicken.

I guess thats a relief now for those still wondering.............:BigApplause:

[Topspinmo]

Now just have to figure out what came first? The duck, the egg, or the platypus?:shocked:

[fdpaq0580]

Now just have to figure out what came first? The duck, the egg, or the platypus?:shocked:

The egg always comes first!

[Whatnext]

The egg always comes first!

But. Who laid it?

[fdpaq0580]

But. Who laid it?

A creature that was very like a chicken, but not quite a chicken (proto-chicken). At some point during conception or during the development of the embryo, something(s) altered the DNA and what hatched was what we now call a chicken. Altering genes = evolution. An oversimplification, but essentially, that is it in a nutshell.

[Taltarzac725]

Actually the dinosaur came before the chicken or the egg .

[fdpaq0580]

Actually the dinosaur came before the chicken or the egg .

Before the chicken, yes. But "eggs" came before dinosaurs. Dinosaur egg is what the Dinosaur hatched from.
The first Dinosaur came out of an egg that was laid (or carried) by a creature that was not quite a Dinosaur. The egg had altered DNA/genes that gave rise to a new creature, different enough from it's parent to be classified as a new kind of creature. The first Dinosaur.

[jimbomaybe]

Before the chicken, yes. But "eggs" came before dinosaurs. Dinosaur egg is what the Dinosaur hatched from.
The first Dinosaur came out of an egg that was laid (or carried) by a creature that was not quite a Dinosaur. The egg had altered DNA/genes that gave rise to a new creature, different enough from it's parent to be classified as a new kind of creature. The first Dinosaur.

Seemed obvious to me the first time I heard the question

[Whatnext]

"""A creature that was very like a chicken, but not quite a chicken (proto-chicken)."""


So the egg still came second?

[Cuervo]

For those who have lost sleep over this, I pity you.
I think you have too much time on your hands.

[jimbomaybe]

"""A creature that was very like a chicken, but not quite a chicken (proto-chicken)."""


So the egg still came second?

Huh ?

[KenLee100]

After millions of dollars spent and millions of hours of sleep lost, the riddle, Which came first, the chicken or the egg. Has been solved.

Scientists have determined that a cross fowl species fertilization created an egg, which when hatched, had properties of both species but looked very different. So different that they were very afraid to name the new species. They looked at each other and said, I don't know why we are so chicken to come up with a name. So they decided to name it their dilemma, chicken.

I guess thats a relief now for those still wondering.............:BigApplause:

For me, reading Genesis 1 answered the question. ;)

[jimbomaybe]

For me, reading Genesis 1 answered the question. ;)

Seven day creation , no evolution ?

[mikreb]

Why did the chicken cross the road? To show the opossum it could be done.

[chuckpedrey]

Thanks for the explanation. Now please help me with how seedless grapes are reproduced.

[Bassdeer]

For me, reading Genesis 1 answered the question. ;)

me too, close thread.

[SaucyJim]

Cloning. Grafting. Seedless happened on accident, then we cloned the plant. Same goes for marijuana strains, seedless watermelons, etc.

[SHIBUMI]

So you really believe Noah had 2 of every single species in the world on the ark? common sense says no!

For me, reading Genesis 1 answered the question. ;)

[Topspinmo]

Actually the dinosaur came before the chicken or the egg .


Dinosaurs are chickens….:read:

[fdpaq0580]

"""A creature that was very like a chicken, but not quite a chicken (proto-chicken)."""


So the egg still came second?

No. With out the egg there can be no chicken. However, a chicken hatched from an egg that was not from a chicken, but whose contents had been altered/mutated to create a chicken.

[fdpaq0580]

Dinosaurs are chickens….:read:

(Other way around.)

[CybrSage]

Why did the chicken cross the road? To show the opossum it could be done.

I dream of the day when a chicken can cross the road without its motives being questioned.

[fdpaq0580]

So you really believe Noah had 2 of every single species in the world on the ark? common sense says no!

Oh! Absolutely! Lions, Tigers, bears, kangaroos, whales, dolphins, walrus, seas lugs, coral polyps, seagulls, athletes foot fungus, pole dancers, but NO unicorns!

[fdpaq0580]

I dream of the day when a chicken can cross the road without its motives being questioned.

Ah! Utopia!

[fdpaq0580]

Oh! Absolutely! Lions, Tigers, bears, kangaroos, whales, dolphins, walrus, seas lugs, coral polyps, seagulls, athletes foot fungus, pole dancers, but NO unicorns!

Actually, I wish he had kept the unicorns answer left the mosquitos off the ark.

By the way, if the ark eas a ship, did it have a name? Sailors alway name boats. 🤔

[Michael G.]

Which came first, the chicken or the egg.



The Rooster :a040:

[fdpaq0580]

Seven day creation , no evolution ?

Well, that simplifies everything ... right?

[fdpaq0580]

The Rooster :a040:

And he thinks he's God's gift to hens.

[hypart]

A chicken and egg are lying in bed. The chicken is smoking a cigarette.
The egg says to herself, "I guess we answered that question."

[jimbomaybe]

Well, that simplifies everything ... right?

In my simple minded way I can only see it as you believe in evolution or not , if the chicken did not come from an egg then where ? a chicken after all is just an eggs way of making another egg, the chicken is at best only the present , soon to be the past, the egg is always the future testing variation on it own pattern

[fdpaq0580]

A chicken and egg are lying in bed. The chicken is smoking a cigarette.
The egg says to herself, "I guess we answered that question."

I've never seen a chicken smoke a cigarette. I assume the symbolism is supposed to imply that the chicken "laid" the egg. Question! Are we to assume the "chicken" was actually a rooster? That would change one's interpretation of the term "laid". One must then assume a certain kinky fetish of this particular rooster that would consider, um, having, er, intimate relations with the most youthful members of his species.
One wonders if this "chicken", presumed " rooster" is of the Jeffrey Epstein breed? I believe I heard somewhere that "they like them on the young side".
How bizarre! 🤔

[fdpaq0580]

In my simple minded way I can only see it as you believe in evolution or not , if the chicken did not come from an egg then where ? a chicken after all is just an eggs way of making another egg, the chicken is at best only the present , soon to be the past, the egg is always the future testing variation on it own pattern

See what you make of this. Creation, by evolution?

[JMintzer]

So you really believe Noah had 2 of every single species in the world on the ark? common sense says no!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bputeFGXEjA

[fdpaq0580]

All this talk of eggs and chickens is making me hungry. How about two eggs, over easy, side of chicken sausage, with sourdough toast and coffee?
Later, gators. 😋

[Taltarzac725]

I still cannot get how with natural selection you get anything out of nothing unless something creates it? And brings some kind of structure to it? DNA, for instance? A big bang and then, what? An egg? A cell? A chicken?

[jimbomaybe]

I still cannot get how with natural selection you get anything out of nothing unless something creates it? And brings some kind of structure to it? DNA, for instance? A big bang and then, what? An egg? A cell? A chicken?
Is that the logic of if you have a watch you must have a watchmaker,, if so then who made the watchmaker?

[jimbomaybe]

See what you make of this. Creation, by evolution?

A believer will find a way to believe , no matter, who was it said "puny man can not create a gnat but invents thousands of gods" (apologies for mis quoits )

[fdpaq0580]

A believer will find a way to believe , no matter, who was it said "puny man can not create a gnat but invents thousands of gods" (apologies for mis quoits )

Here we are, a tiny collection of elements with some remarkable (at least, to us) qualities. Adrift on a smallish planet, orbiting an unremarkable star at the far reaches of one arm of a, somewhat average, spiral galaxy. A galaxy with billions of stars. One galaxy among billions in one of possibly (probably) many more (infinite) universes.
If (IF God, or God's, exist that bother to care for or concern themselves with us, I doubt their size, strength or power to be the ultimate creator. More likely just another collection of elements with abilities different than our own. Or, maybe just a figment of our imagination and/ur desires.

[Topspinmo]

Oh! Absolutely! Lions, Tigers, bears, kangaroos, whales, dolphins, walrus, seas lugs, coral polyps, seagulls, athletes foot fungus, pole dancers, but NO unicorns!

Creature’s living in water need not to be on ark. Cause it was flood. :bowdown: Do to flood in that area, only air breathing creatures in that area need to be in the ark. :eclipsee_gold_cup:

[fdpaq0580]

Creature’s living in water need not to be on ark. Cause it was flood. :bowdown: Do to flood in that area, only air breathing creatures in that area need to be in the ark. :eclipsee_gold_cup:

My post was "tongue in cheek". Dolphins, whales, walrus and seagulls breath air. Seals, sealions, walrus rest on shore or floating objects. Sea birds of all kinds need shelter during storms. Sea life is suseptible to rapid temperature and salinity changes (climate change). Undoubtedly, 40 days and nights of storms severe enough to cover the earth would be deadly to all life forms right down to the bottom of the seas deepest areas. Sediment washed into the seas and dramatic increase in pressures 8n the deep sea, and decreas at new sea level above the highest mountains.
Soooo much fuss when God, who created the heaven and earth in only 7 days, could wipe humans out and (presumably) repopulate the world with a better, kinder mor loving human species.

[Taltarzac725]

Is that the logic of if you have a watch you must have a watchmaker,, if so then who made the watchmaker?

Not quite that kind of argument. Watchmaker analogy - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analogy)


More like how can you get anything from nothing?

How the Universe really makes something from nothing - Big Think (https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/something-from-nothing/)

[Topspinmo]

My post was "tongue in cheek". Dolphins, whales, walrus and seagulls breath air. Seals, sealions, walrus rest on shore or floating objects. Sea birds of all kinds need shelter during storms. Sea life is suseptible to rapid temperature and salinity changes (climate change). Undoubtedly, 40 days and nights of storms severe enough to cover the earth would be deadly to all life forms right down to the bottom of the seas deepest areas. Sediment washed into the seas and dramatic increase in pressures 8n the deep sea, and decreas at new sea level above the highest mountains.
Soooo much fuss when God, who created the heaven and earth in only 7 days, could wipe humans out and (presumably) repopulate the world with a better, kinder mor loving human species.

Again only flood in that area, which was only area know to man in that area.Probably never rained on other side of world which at time was presumed flat. Maybe we are as good as we get?

[jimbomaybe]

Not quite that kind of argument. Watchmaker analogy - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analogy)


More like how can you get anything from nothing?

How the Universe really makes something from nothing - Big Think (https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/something-from-nothing/)
Yes a mechanistic, mechanical universe

[fdpaq0580]

Again only flood in that area, which was only area know to man in that area.Probably never rained on other side of world which at time was presumed flat. Maybe we are as good as we get?

"Probably"? While I accept that, I'm not sure that the Bible doesn't say/imply the flood covered the world.

[fdpaq0580]

I still cannot get how with natural selection you get anything out of nothing unless something creates it? And brings some kind of structure to it? DNA, for instance? A big bang and then, what? An egg? A cell? A chicken?

Small, smaller, smallest!? Elementary physics says there is matter, and there is energy. Matter can be converted into energy, and energy can be converted into Matter. Using your body for demonstration purposes, say you eat a hearty breakfast. Your body, through natural processes converts some of the breakfast matter into energy so you can do whatever you want to do.
Physics is Phascinating. And Google can help you find answers.

[Taltarzac725]

Small, smaller, smallest!? Elementary physics says there is matter, and there is energy. Matter can be converted into energy, and energy can be converted into Matter. Using your body for demonstration purposes, say you eat a hearty breakfast. Your body, through natural processes converts some of the breakfast matter into energy so you can do whatever you want to do.
Physics is Phascinating. And Google can help you find answers.

Yes. But I have a digestive tract. How did a void become energized? Unless there is something else to interact with it. Like God.

[fdpaq0580]

Yes. But I have a digestive tract. How did a void become energized? Unless there is something else to interact with it. Like God.

Many ways, but I am just a novice. Two that come to mind are temperature and pressure. There are thousands of examples of converting mass to energy. The a bomb is great example. Atomic fision. Atomic fusion is the other side of the Atomic coin.
I read something the other day about a couple of physicists at Planck that have figured a way to make mass from energy in a lab setting.
Now, when you say "void", I think that you mean a total lack of anything, mass or energy, or even God.
The "void" of space, as we know it, is actually full of mass and energy. Photons, cosmic rays and vibrations, mater and antimatter, etc... As for God, he/she/they/it, is either mass and/or energy.

[Topspinmo]

"Probably"? While I accept that, I'm not sure that the Bible doesn't say/imply the flood covered the world.


The world that they knew…:shocked:

[jimbomaybe]

Yes. But I have a digestive tract. How did a void become energized? Unless there is something else to interact with it. Like God.

god being the answer to all questions with no ready answer , I will wait for a reasonable answer from a theoretical physicist, ie what was there before the big bang ?

[Taltarzac725]

god being the answer to all questions with no ready answer , I will wait for a reasonable answer from a theoretical physicist, ie what was there before the big bang ?

I cannot think of any reasonable answer for what was there before the Big Bang. There was nothing.

Lawrence Krauss - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Krauss)


Higgs boson - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson)

[fdpaq0580]

I cannot think of any reasonable answer for what was there before the Big Bang. There was nothing.

Lawrence Krauss - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Krauss)


Higgs boson - Wikipedia (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson)

Not even coffee? Shirley, you jest!

[Taltarzac725]

Not even coffee? Shirley, you jest!

Think you need a throat to drink coffee. None of this Big Bang stuff says where life came from in all this. When Did Life First Emerge in the Universe? | Scientific American (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-did-life-first-emerge-in-the-universe/)

[fdpaq0580]

god being the answer to all questions with no ready answer , I will wait for a reasonable answer from a theoretical physicist, ie what was there before the big bang ?

I'm not a physicist, but I Ave a theory. Sounds like sci-fi, but here it goes.
A life form, one among unknowable numbers, deposits a glutinous mass of eggs in a cave. The vibration, heat and pressure create a viable egg. The egg is injected/fertilized with material causing an explosive dispersal of material and energy throughout the egg and it begins to grow. Eventually when the egg reaches a critical point it devides (the big bang) and a new cell begins its cycle.
Meanwhile, sub-microscopic material in the new egg cell existence eventually reaches a stage of self awareness, like all the egg cells of all the eggs in the gelatinous mass. These tiny entities call themselves humans. They create the tech to see to the edge of their cell, which they call " the universe", and beyond, into another "universe", then another. All the time, not yet realizing their "universe" is only one cell of one growing entity among an uncountable numbers of growing entities.
Ever expanding. Ever contracting. Without a knowable beginning or ending. Good sci-fi? Thought provoking?
That is what I think. Only God's in this world are the ones we create (imagine).

[fdpaq0580]

Think you need a throat to drink coffee. None of this Big Bang stuff says where life came from in all this. When Did Life First Emerge in the Universe? | Scientific American (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-did-life-first-emerge-in-the-universe/)

Where do you think it came from?
Chemistry and energy in the beginning. And, it slowly evolved into "life" as we know it. "Life" is is just another form of existence, created from the same "star stuff" as everything else.

[Taltarzac725]

Where do you think it came from?
Chemistry and energy in the beginning. And, it slowly evolved into "life" as we know it. "Life" is is just another form of existence, created from the same "star stuff" as reverting else.

Pretty clear where I think life came from-- God. Now which "God" is another matter. The God of the Israelites, Mohammed, Jesus, and thousands of other civilizations around the world. Maybe they are all faces as people see them at the time and place of God? It is mystery that awaits us all.

[fdpaq0580]

Pretty clear where I think life came from-- God. Now which "God" is another matter. The God of the Israelites, Mohammed, Jesus, and thousands of other civilizations around the world. Maybe they are all faces as people see them at the time and place of God? It is mystery that awaits us all.

And God, as I have been told, works in mysterious ways.
And when I look at the world and the universe today, His ways are definitely a mystery to me. And I wonder.

[Taltarzac725]

And God, as I have been told, works in mysterious ways.
And when I look at the world and the universe today, His ways are definitely a mystery to me. And I wonder.

I think of Voltaire looking at a Lisbon devastating by an earthquake with him thinking is this the best of all possible worlds. Untitled Document (https://courses.washington.edu/hsteu302/Voltaire%20Lisbon%20Earthquake.html)

Debating the value of God at a time of crisis: Leibniz vs Voltaire | CBC Radio (https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/debating-the-value-of-god-at-a-time-of-crisis-leibniz-vs-voltaire-1.5840471)

[jimbomaybe]

Pretty clear where I think life came from-- God. Now which "God" is another matter. The God of the Israelites, Mohammed, Jesus, and thousands of other civilizations around the world. Maybe they are all faces as people see them at the time and place of God? It is mystery that awaits us all.
Life exist , as to god that is a mater of faith in the concept of such a being . Life a natural spontaneous process when the right components come together in the right circumstances.

[fdpaq0580]

Life exist , as to god that is a mater of faith in the concept of such a being . Life a natural spontaneous process when the right components come together in the right circumstances.

Yep!