Karen Read. Not Guilty but was she innocent?

[ithos]

One of the most controlversial trials in decades. If she was innocent then there is a fair amount of police corruption in MA. Multiple state police officers were punished. It was so egregious that the FBI was involved.

There were approximately 3000 people outside the courthouse when the verdict was read.
To me the evidence is overwhelming that she is INNOCENT but many believe she was guilty.
Karen Read cleared of murdering her Boston cop boyfriend sparking wild cheering outside court | The Independent (https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/karen-read-verdict-not-guilty-retrial-b2770994.html)

[Taltarzac725]

Death of John O'Keefe - Wikipedia Death of John O'Keefe - Wikipedia (https://share.google/dNNQWB8Xf7dZa9JEq)


I had not been following it.

[Caymus]

Her lawyer did a great job. Let's see what happens in the civil trial.

[ithos]

One of the most amazing facts of the story was the O'keefe, a Boston police officer, was found dead on the front lawn of a fellow Boston police officer, Brian Albert. Despite the massive police investigation going on in front of his house for hours, he never walked out to see what was happening. Even more bizarre, the police never knocked on the door to search or seek witness testimony.

[ElDiabloJoe]

One of the most amazing facts of the story was the O'keefe, a Boston police officer, was found dead on the front lawn of a fellow Boston police officer, Brian Albert. Despite the massive police investigation going on in front of his house for hours, he never walked out to see what was happening. Even more bizarre, the police never knocked on the door to search or seek witness testimony.
Yes, smells unusual.

[Topspinmo]

Yes, smells unusual.

Not surprised, Boston one of most corrupt cities in America. Leo brotherhood runs deep corruption and kickbacks. IMO suspect it was brotherhood take out?

[Caymus]

Not surprised, Boston one of most corrupt cities in America. Leo brotherhood runs deep corruption and kickbacks. IMO suspect it was brotherhood take out?

But why? Covering up payoffs, bribes, drugs?

[Taltarzac725]

Death of John O'Keefe - Wikipedia Death of John O'Keefe - Wikipedia (https://share.google/dNNQWB8Xf7dZa9JEq)


I had not been following it.

Just from a quick look at the above referenced article if I had been on the jury I would have found the wife innocent. Not enough solid evidence against her.

[blueash]

Just from a quick look at the above referenced article if I had been on the jury I would have found the wife innocent. Not enough solid evidence against her.

As you know with your background, the jury is not tasked with finding a defendant innocent. They have only one decision in a criminal trial, guilty or not guilty. Innocent does not equal not guilty. Not guilty only means the prosecution failed to meet the burden of proof of beyond a reasonable doubt. See Simpson, O J

[Taltarzac725]

As you know with your background, the jury is not tasked with finding a defendant innocent. They have only one decision in a criminal trial, guilty or not guilty. Innocent does not equal not guilty. Not guilty only means the prosecution failed to meet the burden of proof of beyond a reasonable doubt. See Simpson, O J

I was answering the original post. The case against the lady was not there. And I thought OJ Simpson was anything but innocent but the prosecutor did not present a strong enough case. Same with Casey Anthony. But with this woman I would lean towards innocent from what is presented in the Wikipedia article.

[ithos]

As you know with your background, the jury is not tasked with finding a defendant innocent. They have only one decision in a criminal trial, guilty or not guilty. Innocent does not equal not guilty. Not guilty only means the prosecution failed to meet the burden of proof of beyond a reasonable doubt. See Simpson, O J

There is no doubt in my mind she was innocent. The injuries on the deceased was not caused by a large SUV. Also the tail light was only slightly cracked as evidenced by video and witness testimony after the time of the crime. And no way were the horizontal gashes on the arm inflicted by a tail light. Also there was incontrovertible evidence that he entered the house from his iphone data.
And there was so much more.

I believe that some of the jurists at the first trial were of the mind that all police are honest and that their testimony should not be questioned.

[fdpaq0580]

Ahem. Reasonable Doubt! Jury dismissed.

[BrianL99]

About $4,000,000 was spent by the Commonwealth of MA.

All they proved, was John O'Keefe is dead and Karen Read was drunk, the night he died.

[ithos]

Ahem. Reasonable Doubt! Jury dismissed.

True in the eyes of the law. But considering the effect on future employment, it is far better to be perceived as innocent than the lower threshold of not guilty. OJ found that out.

[ithos]

About $4,000,000 was spent by the Commonwealth of MA.

All they proved, was John O'Keefe is dead and Karen Read was drunk, the night he died.

In Massachusetts, they take "Back the Blue" to a much higher level.

[BrianL99]

In Massachusetts, they take "Back the Blue" to a much higher level.

John O'Keefe was a Boston Police Officer.

Curious that the Boston PD had little or no involvement in the trial ... they were conspicuously quiet about the whole situation.

[Taltarzac725]

John O'Keefe was a Boston Police Officer.

Curious that the Boston PD had little or no involvement in the trial ... they were conspicuously quiet about the whole situation.


Probably smart on their part. It is often hard to tell who is telling the truth in domestic violence situations unless there is very strong evidence.

[rameye]

The investigators did a terrible job handling this case. They zeroed in on Read instead of letting evidence lead them to their conclusion. Because of this the family will probably never get justice.

[RoadToad]

Not surprised, Boston one of most corrupt cities in America. Leo brotherhood runs deep corruption and kickbacks. IMO suspect it was brotherhood take out?

And you can add the Arkansas murder Sheriff and the Florida illegal Casino racketeering Sheriff to this list.

So many other bent Leos too.

[Yvetteperry]

This trial (or two, actually) was a travesty. If you are interested in it, watch the testimony or search the name of forner state trooper Michael Proctor and you will get a glimpse of police misconduct. He was fired specifically for his behavior in this case. Probably the shoddiest case of police investigation in history. Thank God the jury in the second trial was able to see through the smoke and mirrors that the Commonwealth presented. Very sad.

[mikreb]

The McAlbert's kept saying O'Keefe was their good friend, but not one of them went to his funeral.

[ithos]

The investigators did a terrible job handling this case. They zeroed in on Read instead of letting evidence lead them to their conclusion. Because of this the family will probably never get justice.

The family drank the kool-aid and is convinced that KR is guilty despite all the corruption and overwhelming amount of exculpatory evidence that she is innocent. I don't have any sympathy for the family except for the two kids he adopted.

[Nell57]

I hope the okeefe family doesn’t file a civil case.
More heartache and expense for them….and the outcome will be the same.
A mysterious death and Karen Reade is guilty of DUI. But that won’t win a civil suit.

[JoelJohnson]

About $4,000,000 was spent by the Commonwealth of MA.

All they proved, was John O'Keefe is dead and Karen Read was drunk, the night he died.
They took a blood sample about 9am the next morning. They can only prove she had a drink about midnight the night before. The blood test they took is not really valid, just an opinion . If he was hit by the car, why didn't have any broken bones, or even a bruise?

[fdpaq0580]

True in the eyes of the law. But considering the effect on future employment, it is far better to be perceived as innocent than the lower threshold of not guilty. OJ found that out.

Not guilty means you won't hang, no matter what the general public thinks. Innocent is nice, but not guilty is critical. Jmho.

[oneclickplus]

One of the most controlversial trials in decades. If she was innocent then there is a fair amount of police corruption in MA. Multiple state police officers were punished. It was so egregious that the FBI was involved.

There were approximately 3000 people outside the courthouse when the verdict was read.
To me the evidence is overwhelming that she is INNOCENT but many believe she was guilty.
Karen Read cleared of murdering her Boston cop boyfriend sparking wild cheering outside court | The Independent (https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/karen-read-verdict-not-guilty-retrial-b2770994.html)

She and John were both drunk. She dropped him off at a house party. Then she went to HIS house waiting for him to call or come home (she was with his kids). She tried to call him several times but no answer. Those at the house party say he never arrived. That is to say he never came to the front door. Snow storm in progress with a lot of snow / ice on the ground. Drunk man slipped and fell. Either he was unconscious or he fell asleep in the snow. Death came as a result. There is no fault here (other than his own). Yes, she was angry with him for not coming home and leaving her with HIS kids. That is not the behavior of someone who is guilty. Tragic accident? Maybe. But, more likely, he is responsible for his own death.

Civil suit to follow. If she is found liable, she can just file for bankruptcy and forget about it. Time for her to liquidate her assets now in anticipation before there is a court order to prevent same.

My take: she is innocent. But the family can't accept the possibility that there is no one to blame (except John). So, they will sue "because they can".

[Taltarzac725]

She and John were both drunk. She dropped him off at a house party. Then she went to HIS house waiting for him to call or come home (she was with his kids). She tried to call him several times but no answer. Those at the house party say he never arrived. That is to say he never came to the front door. Snow storm in progress with a lot of snow / ice on the ground. Drunk man slipped and fell. Either he was unconscious or he fell asleep in the snow. Death came as a result. There is no fault here (other than his own). Yes, she was angry with him for not coming home and leaving her with HIS kids. That is not the behavior of someone who is guilty. Tragic accident? Maybe. But, more likely, he is responsible for his own death.

Civil suit to follow. If she is found liable, she can just file for bankruptcy and forget about it. Time for her to liquidate her assets now in anticipation before there is a court order to prevent same.

My take: she is innocent. But the family can't accept the possibility that there is no one to blame (except John). So, they will sue "because they can".

Medical examiner outlines findings from John O’Keefe autopsy on the stand in Karen Read murder retrial - Boston News, Weather, Sports | WHDH 7News Medical examiner outlines findings from John O’Keefe autopsy on the stand in Karen Read murder retrial - Boston News, Weather, Sports | WHDH 7News (https://share.google/IV7QUFzTZodRaAD2c)


That does not fit the evidence.

[Caymus]

She and John were both drunk. She dropped him off at a house party. Then she went to HIS house waiting for him to call or come home (she was with his kids). She tried to call him several times but no answer. Those at the house party say he never arrived. That is to say he never came to the front door. Snow storm in progress with a lot of snow / ice on the ground. Drunk man slipped and fell. Either he was unconscious or he fell asleep in the snow. Death came as a result. There is no fault here (other than his own). Yes, she was angry with him for not coming home and leaving her with HIS kids. That is not the behavior of someone who is guilty. Tragic accident? Maybe. But, more likely, he is responsible for his own death.

Civil suit to follow. If she is found liable, she can just file for bankruptcy and forget about it. Time for her to liquidate her assets now in anticipation before there is a court order to prevent same.

My take: she is innocent. But the family can't accept the possibility that there is no one to blame (except John). So, they will sue "because they can".

I doubt she has any assets at this time. Her payday will be coming with more Netflix and book deals.

[Caymus]

Not guilty means you won't hang, no matter what the general public thinks. Innocent is nice, but not guilty is critical. Jmho.

Just like OJ?:evil6:

[Topspinmo]

And you can add the Arkansas murder Sheriff and the Florida illegal Casino racketeering Sheriff to this list.

So many other bent Leos too.

Big city or small don’t matter money has power to corrupt, it’s been that way even since money was invented and somebody was in charge. under table kickbacks are crooks honey hole now days, It’s harder to trace. :shocked:

[ithos]

Two of the jurors have spoken in interviews. They both believe that Karen Read is innocent as well as not guilty.

This is fortunate for Karen Read since the O'Keefe family plans to file a lawsuit against her and the restaurant that served her drinks.

I hope that the FBI will followup and not only find the true murderers but also investigate the corruption in the state and city police starting with sabotage of the sally port videos and the willful negligence to conduct any interviews of people present at the house that night.

[BrianL99]

I hope the okeefe family doesn’t file a civil case.
More heartache and expense for them….and the outcome will be the same.
A mysterious death and Karen Reade is guilty of DUI. But that won’t win a civil suit.

The civil case was filed over a year ago.

A judge granted a delay, as testifying in the Civil case, would have effectively taken away Read's 5th Amendment rights in the Criminal case.

[ithos]

The civil case was filed over a year ago.

A judge granted a delay, as testifying in the Civil case, would have effectively taken away Read's 5th Amendment rights in the Criminal case.

If Karen Read wins the civil trial, then she can sue for some expenses but probably not the lawyer fees. I hope she can find some jurors willing to testify.

[BrianL99]

If Karen Read wins the civil trial, then she can sue for some expenses but probably not the lawyer fees. I hope she can find some jurors willing to testify.

Negotiations will undoubtedly begin on Monday, to settle the wrongful death case.

I think the Plaintiffs have a better than 50/50 chance of winning, their burden is so low. Soon after the contracts are signed for the movie rights and cash is available, the Read team will be trying to buy themselves out of it.

[ithos]

Negotiations will undoubtedly begin on Monday, to settle the wrongful death case.

I think the Plaintiffs have a better than 50/50 chance of winning, their burden is so low. Soon after the contracts are signed for the movie rights and cash is available, the Read team will be trying to buy themselves out of it.

Considering that Canton maybe the most corrupt town in the most corrupt state in the union, it is a possibilty they will win the civil suit.

But based on the jurors remarks and the facts laid out in the trial, Karen Read was proved without a shred of doubt that she was innocent.

Also here is how the Karen Read team found out who murdered him.
—just hours after Karen Read was arraigned—her attorney David Yannetti received an anonymous tip from someone claiming a law-enforcement background. The caller said that Brian Albert, his nephew Colin, and an unnamed federal agent had beaten Officer John O’Keefe to death inside the house and then dragged his body outside to the lawn
nypost.com
That caller turned out to be Steven Scanlon, a local private investigator. Although he later recanted parts of his story, Yannetti noted that “photos of O’Keefe hadn’t been released at the time of the first call. And other details lined up,” lending the tip some credibility
boston.com
Subsequently, Yannetti’s defense team expanded this narrative, naming Brian Albert, Colin Albert, and ATF agent Brian Higgins (not a DEA agent) as possible third-party perpetrators through what’s known as a “third-party culprit” defense

[BrianL99]

Considering that Canton maybe the most corrupt town in the most corrupt state in the union, it is a possibilty they will win the civil suit.

But based on the jurors remarks and the facts laid out in the trial, Karen Read was proved without a shred of doubt that she was innocent.



Subsequently, Yannetti’s defense team expanded this narrative, naming Brian Albert, Colin Albert, and ATF agent Brian Higgins (not a DEA agent) as possible third-party perpetrators through what’s known as a “third-party culprit” defense
[/I]

The defense strategy in the 2nd Read trial is known as the "Bowden defense".

The 1st trial used a derivation of the "3rd party culprit" defense. The judge in the 2nd case, limited their use of the 3rd party culprit defense, in her retrial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTPZKiyGfgA&t=30s

[ithos]

The defense strategy in the 2nd Read trial is known as the "Bowden defense".

The 1st trial used a derivation of the "3rd party culprit" defense. The judge in the 2nd case, limited their use of the 3rd party culprit defense, in her retrial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTPZKiyGfgA&t=30s

After two trials, I think the lawyers will be able to present an air tight case for Karen Read in the civil case. She had some damn good lawyers https://youtu.be/YuiI37P4dgY
But stupid people do make it on juries so injustice might prevail again.

I believe that if Proctor hadn't foolishly busted the tail light at the sally port and then planted the pieces in the front yard the verdict may have been different. This is because the defense had absolute proof that Karens tail light was illuminated and the red lens not completely smashed well after the alledged time of o'keefes death.

[mike234]

One of the most controlversial trials in decades. If she was innocent then there is a fair amount of police corruption in MA. Multiple state police officers were punished. It was so egregious that the FBI was involved.

There were approximately 3000 people outside the courthouse when the verdict was read.
To me the evidence is overwhelming that she is INNOCENT but many believe she was guilty.
Karen Read cleared of murdering her Boston cop boyfriend sparking wild cheering outside court | The Independent (https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/karen-read-verdict-not-guilty-retrial-b2770994.html)
the jury slip options are not guilty, or guilty....or in totally corrupt massachusetts, at all levels including trials, some charges did not have a not guilty option. guilty was the only choice on charge 2 for Read. there was not a not guilty option. how corrupt is that?
as far as innocent? it was not an option for the jurors, so how can it even be considered at all?
total corruption at karen read trial, by the investigating state police, and canton police dept. and glaring corrupt judge cannone, who was a disgrace .....i have stronger description of this corrupt, non-qualified political appointed judge, but everyone knows what i am talking about...

[BMill]

One of the most controlversial trials in decades. If she was innocent then there is a fair amount of police corruption in MA. Multiple state police officers were punished. It was so egregious that the FBI was involved.

There were approximately 3000 people outside the courthouse when the verdict was read.
To me the evidence is overwhelming that she is INNOCENT but many believe she was guilty.
Karen Read cleared of murdering her Boston cop boyfriend sparking wild cheering outside court | The Independent (https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/karen-read-verdict-not-guilty-retrial-b2770994.html)

I believe she was beyond drunk but innocent.

[ithos]

I believe she was beyond drunk but innocent.

You are probably right. Had that been the only charge though she probably would have been able to successfully contest it since no formal DWI protocols were administered. She should be able to get a "hardship" drivers license within a couple of weeks from what I read. Big question is will she be able to find a great job like she had before.

[Caymus]

You are probably right. Had that been the only charge though she probably would have been able to successfully contest it since no formal DWI protocols were administered. She should be able to get a "hardship" drivers license within a couple of weeks from what I read. Big question is will she be able to find a great job like she had before.

She doesn't need a real job. She can become one of the TikTok/YouTube "influencers".

[Topspinmo]

I believe she was beyond drunk but innocent.


IMO She was in brotherhood at time, they only give out arrest DWI to citizens not fellow brotherhood members and family.

[mikreb]

Colin Albert did it. McAlberts would not protect Higgins, but they expected him to protect them. They texted Higgins after the incident because Higgins went dark and they thought he was talking. Ally McAbe said in the first trial "Colin wasn't in the house when John was." So John was in the house. They were covering for Colin. Colin had bruised knuckles. Garage had red stains.

[ithos]

Colin Albert did it. McAlberts would not protect Higgins, but they expected him to protect them. They texted Higgins after the incident because Higgins went dark and they thought he was talking. Ally McAbe said in the first trial "Colin wasn't in the house when John was." So John was in the house. They were covering for Colin. Colin had bruised knuckles. Garage had red stains.

And the corrupt judge refused to let the defense team to enter the house to look for evidence. She was so biased that she sustained 172 objections against the defense during the cross-examination of a single witness, Boston Police Officer Brian Albert. Not one was denied.

And on occasion she asked the prosecutor if he had an objection to a defense question.

[JRcorvette]

One of the most controlversial trials in decades. If she was innocent then there is a fair amount of police corruption in MA. Multiple state police officers were punished. It was so egregious that the FBI was involved.

There were approximately 3000 people outside the courthouse when the verdict was read.
To me the evidence is overwhelming that she is INNOCENT but many believe she was guilty.
Karen Read cleared of murdering her Boston cop boyfriend sparking wild cheering outside court | The Independent (https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/karen-read-verdict-not-guilty-retrial-b2770994.html)

Jury found her not guilty…. So that’s it.

[BrianL99]

Also here is how the Karen Read team found out who murdered him.
—just hours after Karen Read was arraigned—her attorney David Yannetti received an anonymous tip from someone claiming a law-enforcement background. The caller said that Brian Albert, his nephew Colin, and an unnamed federal agent had beaten Officer John O’Keefe to death inside the house and then dragged his body outside to the lawn
nypost.com
That caller turned out to be Steven Scanlon, a local private investigator. Although he later recanted parts of his story, Yannetti noted that “photos of O’Keefe hadn’t been released at the time of the first call. And other details lined up,” lending the tip some credibility
boston.com
Subsequently, Yannetti’s defense team expanded this narrative, naming Brian Albert, Colin Albert, and ATF agent Brian Higgins (not a DEA agent) as possible third-party perpetrators through what’s known as a “third-party culprit” defense




I believe that if Proctor hadn't foolishly busted the tail light at the sally port and then planted the pieces in the front yard the verdict may have been different. This is because the defense had absolute proof that Karens tail light was illuminated and the red lens not completely smashed well after the alledged time of o'keefes death.

Colin Albert did it. McAlberts would not protect Higgins, but they expected him to protect them. They texted Higgins after the incident because Higgins went dark and they thought he was talking. Ally McAbe said in the first trial "Colin wasn't in the house when John was." So John was in the house. They were covering for Colin. Colin had bruised knuckles. Garage had red stains.


It's ridiculous that the Commonwealth of MA spent somewhere around $4,000,000 and Read spent even more ... when they both could have come right here to TOTV and learned the real facts.

Waste of time and money.

[KAM+6]

Karen Read is a insanely jealous DRUNK. Her relationship with John was coming to an end. Evidence shows they had been fighting for over a month because he hugged a family friend at a hotel lobby. On the night in question, she has 9 double shots, on video and receipts. She was driving back to after hour get together. They pulled to front of house and she slowly pulled to far left of property line, arguing as they had done that day according to texts. Evidence of her black box and GPS from Johns phone shows John exited her car , air bag disengaged. She went forward 34', slammed it in reverse 84' . She clipped john , he was thrown 10' up the lawn. She took off with A broken taillight, Microscopic taillight shards were later found by forensic specialists. She called him 54 times started minutes after hitting him. Every call pinged at flagpole area, his phone, found under him, thermostat continues to go 20 degrees lower until after he was found.
She calls to john were angry ,profanity F bomb screaming. She made several calls to her parents at 1am, last text was "John's dead" long be for he was found.
She then calls two of John friends and said she left him at the bar, Jen said ,"no I saw you outside my sisters house. Then she told Kerry "john got hit by a plow"
The 3 went in Kerry car to look for John. Karen insisted on returning to Fairview. When they approach the far left property line, in pitch dark, howling blizzard, Karen started screaming and kicking the door to get out. She ran to a large figure buried in 6 inches of snow which was John. Jen called 911 and Jen and Kerry did CPR until ambulance arrived.

Karen's lawyer said at her arraignment that it was an "unintentional accident" .
Next came the trial in "social media" by bloggers in for the clicks. Karen was the instigator along with blogger to harrass and Intimate witnesses and even their children.
Alan Jackson, big time LA lawyer, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacy, and Phil Spector joined the defence.
Blame the police, the instigation and harrass the witnesses. Put out FALSE information and accuse innocent people.
FBI did thorough investigation and found only Karen responsible for Johns death. NO one else.

[KAM+6]

The McAlbert's kept saying O'Keefe was their good friend, but not one of them went to his funeral.

ALL the Alberts and McCabes attended the funeral.

[KAM+6]

Colin Albert left the house at 12:10, confirmed by his phone text and GPS. Also by his cousin that picked him up,her phone and text. Karen left the bar video surveillance at 12:12 arriving at house at 12:24.

That didn't stop bloggers from spuing face information. Defense never call Steve Scanlon and he denied he gave Yannetti that information, however Yannetti leaked it to the blogger and Toilet boy ran with it.
Colin was a 17 yr ,140# kid. John was a well built 6'1" 216# .
The motive Yannetti gave was that Colin crossed johns lawn when he was 10.
There were 9 people in the house at 12:24, two were 23 yr girls, one a nurse unrelated. The were driven home by the McCabes. Do you think that those girls parents would tell then to lie to the police, lie to a federal grand jury and lie under oath in court??? And be accessory to murder.??

4 medical examiners testified john was not in a physical altercation. Defense claimed superficial abrations, stated by medical examiners were dog bites. There wasNO dog DNA, NO lower teeth marks and not one dog HAIRS.

[KAM+6]

Taillight pieces were found at the scene buried under plow snowbank, 3 feet before SUV arrived at heated police garage. It was in possession of her parents who removed it from johns house.
Earlier at8:2am police did a wellness check on children and dash cam shows Karen SUV with broken taillight. Driveway, SUV and house covered with foot of snow. No footprints or tire marks . Nobody was near that property. NOBODY planted anything. Also found at the scene was John sneaker , hat and glass, straw. He is on video leaving bar with glass straw in hand. KAREN killed John and left him to die in the Blizzard.

[KAM+6]

Two of the jurors have spoken in interviews. They both believe that Karen Read is innocent as well as not guilty.

This is fortunate for Karen Read since the O'Keefe family plans to file a lawsuit against her and the restaurant that served her drinks.

I hope that the FBI will followup and not only find the true murderers but also investigate the corruption in the state and city police starting with sabotage of the sally port videos and the willful negligence to conduct any interviews of people present at the house that night.

The FBI did a thorough investigation and only Karen was responsible. There was no "sabotage" of sally port videos. They are motion detection, no missing footage. All the people in the house were interviewed. You are quoting a dirty blogger that has 18 felony charges pending trial.

[KAM+6]

After two trials, I think the lawyers will be able to present an air tight case for Karen Read in the civil case. She had some damn good lawyers https://youtu.be/YuiI37P4dgY
But stupid people do make it on juries so injustice might prevail again.

I believe that if Proctor hadn't foolishly busted the tail light at the sally port and then planted the pieces in the front yard the verdict may have been different. This is because the defense had absolute proof that Karens tail light was illuminated and the red lens not completely smashed well after the alledged time of o'keefes death.
Defense took one frame but if you see where she puts the brake on you can see the broken taillight compared to the left taillight, its clearly missing. Also, the 820 am wellness check on children. Twilight pieces were found by forensic SERT team, with police watching and news crew filming.
Just the fact that you use the word McAlberts, shows you get your false information from Turdboy, who has 18 felony charges pending his trial. Karen killed john and left him to die in the Blizzard. First she said she left him at the bar,left a message "nobody knows where the F you are. then she said a plow must have hit him then her lawyer said at her arraignment a nd to the press, " it was an uintentional accident ". Then it was Colin. Allie NEVER said John was in the house. She picked up Colin at 12:10 confirmed by phone a d GPS. Karen arrived outside at 12:24 confirmed by GPS a d phone. Her black box shows John exited her car, air bag disengaged, and she pulled forward 34', slammed it in reverse and john dies in 17 seconds. His phone never moved again until after he was found hours later. She called him 54 times during those hours and his phone pinged every time at flagpole area.

[BrianL99]

Karen Read is a insanely jealous DRUNK.

FBI did thorough investigation and found only Karen responsible for Johns death. NO one else.



4 medical examiners testified john was not in a physical altercation. Defense claimed superficial abrations, stated by medical examiners were dog bites. There wasNO dog DNA, NO lower teeth marks and not one dog HAIRS.

KAREN killed John and left him to die in the Blizzard.

The FBI did a thorough investigation and only Karen was responsible.

Karen killed john and left him to die in the Blizzard.

You could probably say it another 50 times and the fact remains, the 12 jurors who were tasked with separating fact & truth from nonsense, disagree with you ... as does the Judge, who refused to issue a directed verdict and opted to rely on 12 impartial jurors to decide.

[ithos]

Jury found her not guilty…. So that’s it.

I wish it was. She has a civil suit to contend with. Then It will be imperative that she proves herself innocent. Fortunately based on jury feedback her lawyers can convincingly meet that standard.

[BrianL99]

I wish it was. She has a civil suit to contend with. Then It will be imperative that she proves herself innocent. Fortunately based on jury feedback her lawyers can convincingly meet that standard.


NO. The burden of proof in the Civil action, is firmly in the hands of the Plaintiff. Karen Read doesn't have to prove or disprove, anything.

[ithos]

It's ridiculous that the Commonwealth of MA spent somewhere around $4,000,000 and Read spent even more ... when they both could have come right here to TOTV and learned the real facts.

Waste of time and money.

In response to your snarky comment, I will simply say that I was inclined to assume she was guilty. I normally don't get sucked in to watching trials on TV(last one was OJ) but this case had so many intriguing elements to it that I got sucked in.

[Eg_cruz]

One of the most controlversial trials in decades. If she was innocent then there is a fair amount of police corruption in MA. Multiple state police officers were punished. It was so egregious that the FBI was involved.

There were approximately 3000 people outside the courthouse when the verdict was read.
To me the evidence is overwhelming that she is INNOCENT but many believe she was guilty.
Karen Read cleared of murdering her Boston cop boyfriend sparking wild cheering outside court | The Independent (https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/karen-read-verdict-not-guilty-retrial-b2770994.html)
After reading and watching
I don’t think she killed him. I think there was a fight at the home and he most likely left but fell or passed out in the snow. How else can one explain the dog bites and scratches on his arm. The swollen eyes and blunt force trauma to the back of his head.
I don’t think it was meant to be a frame job. I don’t think the people I the house knew he was laying in the snow until Karen called and told them he was missing.

[Eg_cruz]

She and John were both drunk. She dropped him off at a house party. Then she went to HIS house waiting for him to call or come home (she was with his kids). She tried to call him several times but no answer. Those at the house party say he never arrived. That is to say he never came to the front door. Snow storm in progress with a lot of snow / ice on the ground. Drunk man slipped and fell. Either he was unconscious or he fell asleep in the snow. Death came as a result. There is no fault here (other than his own). Yes, she was angry with him for not coming home and leaving her with HIS kids. That is not the behavior of someone who is guilty. Tragic accident? Maybe. But, more likely, he is responsible for his own death.

Civil suit to follow. If she is found liable, she can just file for bankruptcy and forget about it. Time for her to liquidate her assets now in anticipation before there is a court order to prevent same.

My take: she is innocent. But the family can't accept the possibility that there is no one to blame (except John). So, they will sue "because they can".
Except his body was beat up. Had dog bites all over his arm, blunt force hit on the back of his head, and swollen eyes and beat up face. He would not have gotten those if had just passed out in the snow

[BrianL99]

In response to your snarky comment, I will simply say that I was inclined to assume she was guilty. I normally don't get sucked in to watching trials on TV(last one was OJ) but this case had so many intriguing elements to it that I got sucked in.

I live in Boston. The Karen Read trial has dominated local news, for over a year. The 2nd Trial received wall-to-wall coverage and analysis, every day. Coverage didn't end until 8 pm, on most local TV stations.

12 reasonably intelligent, unbiased people, found her Not Guilty. She's been on trial twice.

It boggles my mind, that folks can come on here, re-hash selective facts and events that support their opinion and then proclaim Karen Read is a murderer.

Just for the record, we in Boston were bombarded with this. Experts up the ying yang. I have not seen a single "expert" opine that the jury screwed up or was wrong. As a matter of fact, I never heard even one expert, predict Read would be convicted. The facts clearly didn't warrant a finding of Guilty ... twice.

[ithos]

NO. The burden of proof in the Civil action, is firmly in the hands of the Plaintiff. Karen Read doesn't have to prove or disprove, anything.

I did not intend to say that. But I believe that most of the evidence and research that her lawyers will need were discovered or revealed in the criminal case.

[KAM+6]

That FACTS are JOHN NEVER entered the house. Her SUV black box data recorded john exited her car, air bag disengaged. SUV went forward 34', slammed in reverse at 24 mi clipped john throwing him 10 into the lawn hitting his head on the frozen ground or rock. Johns phone NEVER moved again until after he was found, thermometer in phone continually went down over 20 degrees. She called him 54 times and every call pinged at where he was found. The car tech stream and GPS phone date is bulletproof. He was found with her microscopic taillight pieces in his hoodie. NO dog DNA, NO lower dog teeth and not a single dog hair.
Only Karen found him under 6" of snow. She said on video " I expected to find him there"

[ithos]

Defense took one frame but if you see where she puts the brake on you can see the broken taillight compared to the left taillight, its clearly missing. Also, the 820 am wellness check on children. Twilight pieces were found by forensic SERT team, with police watching and news crew filming.
Just the fact that you use the word McAlberts, shows you get your false information from Turdboy, who has 18 felony charges pending his trial. Karen killed john and left him to die in the Blizzard. First she said she left him at the bar,left a message "nobody knows where the F you are. then she said a plow must have hit him then her lawyer said at her arraignment a nd to the press, " it was an uintentional accident ". Then it was Colin. Allie NEVER said John was in the house. She picked up Colin at 12:10 confirmed by phone a d GPS. Karen arrived outside at 12:24 confirmed by GPS a d phone. Her black box shows John exited her car, air bag disengaged, and she pulled forward 34', slammed it in reverse and john dies in 17 seconds. His phone never moved again until after he was found hours later. She called him 54 times during those hours and his phone pinged every time at flagpole area.

Rehashing prosecution lies is not going to prove anything. And this is not the forum to debate the trial.

But I must dispel one of your assertions. Most of the exculpatory evidence was from the FBI. The were investigating the state police.

The federal government provided 3,074 pages of documents from their investigation of Read’s case before her trial last April in Dedham’s Norfolk Superior Court. The documents included Trooper Michael Proctor’s offensive text messages about Read, grand jury testimony from prosecution witness Brian Higgins about the destruction of his cell phone, and findings from ARCCA, an engineering consulting firm that concluded that O’Keefe’s injuries did not appear to come from a vehicle strike.
25 Investigates: Federal investigation of Karen Read case is over, sources say – Boston 25 News (https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/25-investigates-federal-investigation-karen-read-case-is-over-sources-say/6WJX77MV2BDOTHSH5JYJQLF4Z4/?.com)
Karen Read defense team says federal expert found John O'Keefe was not hit by SUV - CBS Boston (https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/karen-read-trial-motion-to-dismiss-hearing/?.com)

[BrianL99]

Rehashing prosecution lies is not going to prove anything. And this is not the forum to debate the trial.

But I must dispel one of your assertions. Most of the exculpatory evidence was from the FBI. The were investigating the state police.



Some folks aren't swayed by facts that don't suit their narrative. You're 100% right. The FBI was very clear about their conclusion, that O'Keefe wasn't killed by an automobile collision.

Luckily, Karen Read got a jury that paid attention. The Prosecution's case was built on smoke & mirrors

[MrChip72]

This is a perfect example of why it's easier to get away with unplanned murder than premeditated murder.

No suspicious purchases or texts beforehand, no damning Google searches, etc.

[KAM+6]

No FBI testified in either trial. ARCCA was paid by the defence. They had a court order to turn over all comunications as complying with law 14 discovery. The yunlawfully deleated over 100 email and text. Lied to the judge,used signal app to commucate with defence, all tne while telling the court they were not paid and are independent.They are tech stream data experts, Yet, they never looked at the black box, the sneaker , hat broken glass found with body. Said it wasn't in their scope.

Reitchler, in the Middle of testimony stopped and "wished his son a happy birthday". WTF???

[KAM+6]

ARCCA shows crash dummy backing up 24 mi HR into arm position bent holding glass. Hit dummy, spinning it, breaking taillight and throwing it forward to right . They were even sneaky using a small 170# dummy, John was 6'1" 216#. Also SUV was in 18 degree cold for over at least 4 hours. Polycarbonate shattered in cold weather.

[CFrance]

No FBI testified in either trial. ARCCA was paid by the defence. They had a court order to turn over all comunications as complying with law 14 discovery. The yunlawfully deleated over 100 email and text. Lied to the judge,used signal app to commucate with defence, all tne while telling the court they were not paid and are independent.They are tech stream data experts, Yet, they never looked at the black box, the sneaker , hat broken glass found with body. Said it wasn't in their scope.

Reitchler, in the Middle of testimony stopped and "wished his son a happy birthday". WTF???

Could you maybe explain that more plainly? What is yunlawfully, what is the black box, who had the court order, what is law 14 discovery? What is signal app? Who are the tech stream data experts?

[mike234]

Colin Albert did it. McAlberts would not protect Higgins, but they expected him to protect them. They texted Higgins after the incident because Higgins went dark and they thought he was talking. Ally McAbe said in the first trial "Colin wasn't in the house when John was." So John was in the house. They were covering for Colin. Colin had bruised knuckles. Garage had red stains.
yup

[ithos]

Karen Read is a insanely jealous DRUNK. ...... She went forward 34', slammed it in reverse 84' . She clipped john , he was thrown 10' up the lawn. She took off with A broken taillight, Microscopic taillight shards were later found by forensic specialists. .....

So she was drunk and still was able to floor it in reverse for over 80ft at night in poor light conditions and slamming into her boyfriend and launching him 15ft onto the lawn or driveway. She must have been one hell of driver.

But if so these facts are hard to explain:
No Lower-Extremity Bruising or Fractures
lacerations to the Shins, Thighs, or Pelvic area

Also, in reenactments it took several blows with a hammer to completely break and remove all pieces of the thick poly carbonate lens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBqMcX4jgeA

Unfortunately for the prosecution there were pictures and videos of Karen Reads tail light illuminated with the lens almost completely intact after the time of the alledged murder. According to more than one juror this proved beyond any doubt that she was innocent.

[KAM+6]

Could you maybe explain that more plainly? What is yunlawfully, what is the black box, who had the court order, what is law 14 discovery? What is signal app? Who are the tech stream data experts?

The y unlawfully an error the y belongs to the word in they. The black box is the tech stream data that records data in newer vehicles . She had a high end Lexus . All witnesses are required to turn over a report and communications to defence and prosecution. ARCCA had a court order to keep and turn over all communications with defence, they violated that order. Signal app is an encrypted app that deletes messages in 30 minutes and can't traced. Two tech stream experts from ARCCA testified for the defense. Neither of them contradicted the evidence of her car backing up 24 mi hr or time of trigger event.

[KAM+6]

So she was drunk and still was able to floor it in reverse for over 80ft at night in poor light conditions and slamming into her boyfriend and launching him 15ft onto the lawn or driveway. She must have been one hell of driver.

But if so these facts are hard to explain:
No Lower-Extremity Bruising or Fractures
lacerations to the Shins, Thighs, or Pelvic area

Also, in reenactments it took several blows with a hammer to completely break and remove all pieces of the thick poly carbonate lens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBqMcX4jgeA

Unfortunately for the prosecution there were pictures and videos of Karen Reads tail light illuminated with the lens almost completely intact after the time of the alledged murder. According to more than one juror this proved beyond any doubt that she was innocent.

That video was not credible , why didn't you use the one shown in court by ARCCA. Clearly shows taillight shattered by elbow on dummy and throwing him forward along side of car . Shattered taillight pieces flying in all directions. According to ARCCA defence Wolfe , taillight was not broken when she backed out of garage and purposely tapped john car. No pieces is dusting of snow . Look at car showing both taillights, clearly shows missing piece on right.

[KAM+6]

After reading and watching
I don’t think she killed him. I think there was a fight at the home and he most likely left but fell or passed out in the snow. How else can one explain the dog bites and scratches on his arm. The swollen eyes and blunt force trauma to the back of his head.
I don’t think it was meant to be a frame job. I don’t think the people I the house knew he was laying in the snow until Karen called and told them he was missing.

The FACT is tech stream data from her car and GPS and health data from his phone is bulletproof that he NEVER entered the house. Timestamp showed he exited her car, air bag disengaged, was hit within 17 seconds. His phone NEVER MOVED until after he was found hours later. She called him 54 times, starting 4 minutes later,, full of rage and F bombs. Every call pinged at flagpole area. Defence ARCCA never contradicted data or GPS. ME testified arm was superficial abrasions. NO DOG DNA, NO LOWER teeth marks, NOt one dog HAIR.

[KAM+6]

Rehashing prosecution lies is not going to prove anything. And this is not the forum to debate the trial.

But I must dispel one of your assertions. Most of the exculpatory evidence was from the FBI. The were investigating the state police.

The federal government provided 3,074 pages of documents from their investigation of Read’s case before her trial last April in Dedham’s Norfolk Superior Court. The documents included Trooper Michael Proctor’s offensive text messages about Read, grand jury testimony from prosecution witness Brian Higgins about the destruction of his cell phone, and findings from ARCCA, an engineering consulting firm that concluded that O’Keefe’s injuries did not appear to come from a vehicle strike.
25 Investigates: Federal investigation of Karen Read case is over, sources say – Boston 25 News (https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/25-investigates-federal-investigation-karen-read-case-is-over-sources-say/6WJX77MV2BDOTHSH5JYJQLF4Z4/?.com)
Karen Read defense team says federal expert found John O'Keefe was not hit by SUV - CBS Boston (https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/karen-read-trial-motion-to-dismiss-hearing/?.com)
FBI never made a statement . Defence hired ARCCA and under cross exam conceded he could have been and provided crash dummy tests showing Lexus backing up 24 mi , hitting elbow, shattering taillight and throwing him 10 feet, head hitting hard frozen ground. She said on 20/20 " he didn't look MORTALLY wounded. " That would be when you dropped him off? " Yes, it would have to be".

[mikreb]

Signal app is an encrypted app

Most messaging apps are encrypted these days. FB messenger, Imessage, even android has started using RCS encrypted messaging. In the words of Jen Mcabe, "nothing nefarious going on here"

[KAM+6]

It is when you have a court order to save all communications.
Also, Karen used signal to communicate and send false information to her friend in California, Natalie. Natalie would then send to Turdboy, blogger to harass and intimidate witnesses, family of John OKeefe, their friends, children, and anyone supporting the OKeefes. However, Natalie took screenshots of everything and has taken a plea deal.

Turd boy has 18 felony charges, his trial is coming up. Stay tuned.

[ithos]

It is when you have a court order to save all communications.
Also, Karen used signal to communicate and send false information to her friend in California, Natalie. Natalie would then send to Turdboy, blogger to harass and intimidate witnesses, family of John OKeefe, their friends, children, and anyone supporting the OKeefes. However, Natalie took screenshots of everything and has taken a plea deal.

Turd boy has 18 felony charges, his trial is coming up. Stay tuned.

There were no tail light fragments on the lawn the night of the murder. If so they would have been easily spotted by the dozen or more persons on the scene.
Do you know why Apperture(who were paid $400k) didn't perform a reenactment of the accident to demonstrate how a tailight lens could break into dozens of pieces upon impact with a human arm? Because it is an absolute impossibility. And even if the lens was fragile enough to fracture it would not have caused the type of wounds on O'keefes arm and the entire lens would not have been missing. (illustration attached). Those parallel lacerations were obviously caused by an animal. These are what dog bites look like Log into Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10236892120945255&set=p.10236892120945255&type=3).

And what was the excuse of the police for not searching for ring cameras on the block? That is the first thing they look for when there are no witnesses. And why in the world didn't they check on the people inside the house? And why didn't Brian Albert, a policeman, step outside to see what all the commotion was about?

[ithos]

What is more strange is that Canton Police Department supervisor Sgt. Michael Lank lived a few houses away from 34 Fairview Road, within a very short walking distance from the scene. He never went to the scene.

[ithos]

And here is the testimony of a police officer who assisted in towing Karen Read's SUV away from her house after the murder. He testified that there were cracks but most of the lens was in still there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb8xjHDwLy8
Sergeant Nicholas Barros testified that when he saw Karen Read’s SUV in Dighton, the taillight damage was nowhere near as severe as the photos now being shown in court. He says it was cracked but intact, with bulbs and tabs still in place. So why did the damage look so much worse after the vehicle had been moved to Canton PD, under Trooper Proctor’s supervision? This video breaks down the suspicious timeline, lack of documentation, and what it could mean for the prosecution’s case.

[KAM+6]

There were no tail light fragments on the lawn the night of the murder. If so they would have been easily spotted by the dozen or more persons on the scene.
Do you know why Apperture(who were paid $400k) didn't perform a reenactment of the accident to demonstrate how a tailight lens could break into dozens of pieces upon impact with a human arm? Because it is an absolute impossibility. And even if the lens was fragile enough to fracture it would not have caused the type of wounds on O'keefes arm and the entire lens would not have been missing. (illustration attached). Those parallel lacerations were obviously caused by an animal. These are what dog bites look like Log into Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10236892120945255&set=p.10236892120945255&type=3).

And what was the excuse of the police for not searching for ring cameras on the block? That is the first thing they look for when there are no witnesses. And why in the world didn't they check on the people in:Screen_of_Death:side the house? And why didn't Brian Albert, a policeman, step outside to see what all the commotion was about?

All the taillight pieces ,47 found of various sizes , were found under at least 2+ feet of snow. There was a Noreaster blizzard that night, howling winds and snow drifts, snow started just before midnight. John was also buried under a huge mound of drifting snow. Karen describes him "A buffalo on the prairie"

Every murder investigation in Ma is done by the SERT team, MSP trained to collect evidence, not by local police. Its impossible to search in blinding snow, unprecedented winds until it calmed down. First SERT arrived at 5 pm, 7 more within 30 mi. A news crew , filming, and several police and msp. They worked shoulder to shoulder, shovel out a snow bank at street 3 feet high. Found first piece about 5:40 and many others after. All the while news crew was filming and SERT team member was also filming. Some pieces were found days later when snow started melting. All pieces were found on the grass, under the snow. Karen's car was in possession of her parents at their house 40 miles away, they can to johns house and retrieved it around 1pm. State police traveled to Dighton, interviewed Karen with her father present, took her phone.
By the way, she refused to give them the passcode. It took several months , running it thru software to retrieve passcode.

Her SUV went into the sallyport heated garage, AFTER first piece of taillight was found. All filmed on dash cam following tow truck with timestamps.
Absolutely NO taillight pieces were planted under 3 foot snowbank. At least 20 people would be involved, police and news crew. And, if they were going to "frame her"
why wouldn't they take her car immediately not 8 hours later???

ARCRA, defence tech stream experts, were paid originally $500 by state, did crash dummy testing, showing dummy elbow breaking taillight and smashing into 19 pieces with wide debris field. Throwing the dummy along side , but not touching the car, spinning and held by harness would have sent it up on the lawn.
Polycarbonate totally shatters in cold weather. ARCCA test were done in mild temperatures and sneaky them used a crash dummy 5'9" 171pounds, John was 6'1" 216 pounds. He would have more force .

Also, Johns sneaker, hat, glass that Karen said he took from her car, was also buried under the snow. All the snow around the house, driveway, covering homeowner cars, door entrance of 3 doors and steps was pristine. No tire marks or footprints until after john was found by KARENS X-Ray eyes under foot of snow, describing him as "A buffalo on the prairie"

The marks on his are were diagnosed as "Superficial abrasions" by 4 medical examiners, even defence "expert". How was there a dog fight with NO dog HAIRS, NO Dog DNA , NO lower dog teeth NO puncture wounds???

Neighbors with ring camera said that their only recorded front doors and were motion detection.

Kerry, was driving, Jen in passenger seat, Karen in rear between front seats.
When Kerry approached Alberta far left property line, Karen started screaming and kicking the door to get out. Kerry stopped and Karen, with her snow X-Ray eyes, ran to " A buffalo on the prairie ". Keep in mind, she had never been to that house before that night. He was near bushes a fire hydrant and a flagpole, with circular pavers ,and utility box. All this is Karen's own words from 20/20, Dateline, other media.

Kerry stopped at property line, police cruiser with dash cam, behind but not to close so everything can be recorded, Ambulance behind police. Fire truck behind ambulance. All of these vehicles, except Kerry, were NOT in front of Alberta house but I front of neighbors house. NONE of neighbors came out.

Brian Albert had been on a5am flight to NY to attend a funeral for a officer killed in the line of fire. He drove back with Higgins, arriving back to canton 8pm and joined his family for dinner that evening. Finally getting to bed around 2am . Police and firemen will tell you they have blackout curtains because the work night shifts and need to sleep days. Also, Alberts house an neighbors have train tracks, literally, in their back yards.
There was howling winds, NONE of first responder vehicles has sirens on. All you can hear is windshield wipers on dash cam.

When Jen woke Brian, he came down immediately and police were in his house. John had already left in the ambulance. In fact, if he went out, the narrative would be that he was planting evidence by the FKR wackos.

[KAM+6]

What is more strange is that Canton Police Department supervisor Sgt. Michael Lank lived a few houses away from 34 Fairview Road, within a very short walking distance from the scene. He never went to the scene.

Sargent Lank does not live near Fairview. He was the one that came into the house with Jen that morning, when she woke Brian. Why don't you watch the trial???

[KAM+6]

And here is the testimony of a police officer who assisted in towing Karen Read's SUV away from her house after the murder. He testified that there were cracks but most of the lens was in still there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb8xjHDwLy8
Sergeant Nicholas Barros testified that when he saw Karen Read’s SUV in Dighton, the taillight damage was nowhere near as severe as the photos now being shown in court. He says it was cracked but intact, with bulbs and tabs still in place. So why did the damage look so much worse after the vehicle had been moved to Canton PD, under Trooper Proctor’s supervision? This video breaks down the suspicious timeline, lack of documentation, and what it could mean for the prosecution’s case.

Barros recanted under cross. The taillight he saw was packed with snow, he was standing, out of the blizzard in the garage, he only saw a distant side view. You can see the broken twilight when tow driver drives on tow truck.

WOW, Barrow never wrote a complete report. Drove over 2 hours to Omni hotel to meet with Jacka$$ , just to give him his address to mail summons??? Posed for pictures with FKRERS. , one with a F..k Biden shirt.

From the links you post, its obvious you never watched the trial. The trial is on court tv but you chose to get your "alternative Facts" from bloggers. Why don't you watch both side in a court of law.

Why has Karen's sister or her sister in law never been in court to support her. Her brother was convicted of grand theft larceny. Daddy got him probation and paid restitution. Fired from present job, his wife is on ring camera looking at broken taillight is divorcing him.

[BrianL99]

From the links you post, its obvious you never watched the trial. The trial is on court tv but you chose to get your "alternative Facts" from bloggers. Why don't you watch both side in a court of law.



12 Independent Jurors watched the trial, live and in person. They unanimously decided that you're wrong and Karen Read was Not Guilty.

Give it up. It's done. You're wrongl

[KAM+6]

12 Independent Jurors watched the trial, live and in person. They unanimously decided that you're wrong and Karen Read was Not Guilty.

Give it up. It's done. You're wrongl

OK Simpson Casey Anthony. Comes to mind. . Juror 11 ran to the press. Her father in law, from Egypt, was arrested and convicted of stealing classified defence documents. Spent time in Federal prison and deported. Also, When the checked his computer they found child pornography. Do you think she put that on her jury questionnaire???

[BrianL99]

Juror 11 ran to the press. Her father in law, from Egypt, was arrested and convicted of stealing classified defence documents. Spent time in Federal prison and deported. Also, When the checked his computer they found child pornography. Do you think she put that on her jury questionnaire???


Paula Prado is a licensed attorney in Brazil and has an MBA. She happened to marry someone whose father served time, so that somehow makes her incompetent or biased?

[ithos]

Paula Prado is a licensed attorney in Brazil and has an MBA. She happened to marry someone whose father served time, so that somehow makes her incompetent or biased?

Wow!

[KAM+6]

She Obviously lied on her jury questioner. " Have you or anyone in your FAMILY been convicted of criminal charges". She ran to the press and she uses 4 aliases. Scrubbed her Facebook posts. WOW, with all her education, why is she a checkout clerk at Target. ??

[ithos]

She Obviously lied on her jury questioner. " Have you or anyone in your FAMILY been convicted of criminal charges". She ran to the press and she uses 4 aliases. Scrubbed her Facebook posts. WOW, with all her education, why is she a checkout clerk at Target. ??

Are you going to dig up dirt on the other eleven jurors?

[BrianL99]

with all her education, why is she a checkout clerk at Target. ??

It's not really fair to make judgements based on someone's chosen career path or how they spend their time. Folks are entitled to live their lives as the chose.

She might feel working at Target offers her less stress and more time to spend with her 4 young children, rather than spending her life in front of a keyboard and/or TV, researching, commenting and editorializing on other folk's legal issues.

[KAM+6]

So, You think that harassment and intimidation of witnesses and the family of John, even children are OK. Including ANYONE that supports the OKeefes.

How would you like a "rolling rally" over 100 cars outside your house, with bullhorns, calling you murders ??. Outside your job??? At your children's sports events and school?? Unrelenting harassment and death threats so you won't testify?? Death threats to the judge, who needed security. Threats to jurors if they didn't get the outcome they want??

Is that the way you think trials should be conducted, on social media by the "Mob" you saw outside the court. All orchestrated by Karen and her team of bloggers. You know, the bloggers sitting with her family in court. The links you posted on this page?? They are making a living of this case with the conspiracy.

Toilet turd has 18 felony charges with his trial coming up next week. He has already posted a warning to Karen stating he'll throw her under the bus to save himself.

Is that the way trials are conducted now and in the future??

[ithos]

It's not really fair to make judgements based on someone's chosen career path or how they spend their time. Folks are entitled to live their lives as the chose.

She might feel working at Target offers her less stress and more time to spend with her 4 young children, rather than spending her life in front of a keyboard and/or TV, researching, commenting and editorializing on other folk's legal issues.

In the US she does not meet the requirments to practice law. She was very impressive in the several podcasts that I watched.

[BrianL99]

In the US she does not meet the requirments to practice law. She was very impressive in the several podcasts that I watched.

My Niece has a Law Degree and passed the Bar exam, her first shot at it. She's never practiced law, a day in her life. She spends her days, raising her 3 children and volunteering in her community. Target offered her a job, but she passed.


What shocks me about some people's reaction to the Read case, is it was such a simple and straight forward case. The was no racial overtones. No mother/children/parent connections. No "rock star" defendant or victim. This was simple, non-murder case, with no real reason for anyone to have a visceral reaction to the verdict ... yet some can't let it go.

[Nikki369]

‘Karen Read is innocent’: Jury foreman speaks out after verdict. “Karen Read is innocent, and she didn’t do this crime,” the foreman said during an appearance on the “TODAY” show Tuesday. “No one could prove that she did this crime. So I looked at her from Day 1 as an innocent woman that needed to be proven guilty, and I don’t think any of that was shown in this process.”

[Taltarzac725]

‘Karen Read is innocent’: Jury foreman speaks out after verdict. “Karen Read is innocent, and she didn’t do this crime,” the foreman said during an appearance on the “TODAY” show Tuesday. “No one could prove that she did this crime. So I looked at her from Day 1 as an innocent woman that needed to be proven guilty, and I don’t think any of that was shown in this process.”

Sounds right. Always glad when common sense rules the day, so to speak .

[KAM+6]

Karen Read killed Johnny 17 seconds after he exited her SUV. Drove 34' in forward, slammed it in reverse and hit him. Confirmed by SUV tech stream data and Johns phone GPS and health app. She call him , starting minutes later, 54 times and every call pinged at the flagpole area where he was found hours later by Karen X-Ray eyes in pitch dark, from the back seat, in a mound beneath a foot of snow.
Johnny NEVER entered the house. She Never call 911, or even got out of her car to check. Her tailligh pieces, his sneaker found under 3feet of snowbank. Microscopic taillight shards found in his clothes.

Extensive FBI investigation showed only Karen was responsible for Johnny's death.

[KAM+6]

Except his body was beat up. Had dog bites all over his arm, blunt force hit on the back of his head, and swollen eyes and beat up face. He would not have gotten those if had just passed out in the snow

NO dog DNA, NO lower teeth marks, NO puncture wounds, NO dog hair = NO dog attack.

Blunt force trauma on back of his head was caused by head hitting frozen ground , confirmed testimony by three ME. He had "racoon eyes". Blood vessels broke when his brain forced forward. NO orbital fractures, indicating punched in eyes. NO beat up face or body consistent with being in a fight.

Tech stream data from her SUV matches with Johns phone to the second. She went forward 34 feet, slammed it in reverse and clipped him, throwing him 10 feet into the lawn. He exited her SUV and his phone stopped moving 17 seconds later. His health app shows his heart stopped beating also. NONE of Tech stream and GPS and health data was EVER disputed by the defence because it is BULLETPROOF.

Her defense lawyer stated to the court " it was an unintended accident " and to the press, on the courthouse steps, the day of her arrangement.

[ithos]

NO dog DNA, NO lower teeth marks, NO puncture wounds, NO dog hair = NO dog attack.

Blunt force trauma on back of his head was caused by head hitting frozen ground , confirmed testimony by three ME. He had "racoon eyes". Blood vessels broke when his brain forced forward. NO orbital fractures, indicating punched in eyes. NO beat up face or body consistent with being in a fight.

Tech stream data from her SUV matches with Johns phone to the second. She went forward 34 feet, slammed it in reverse and clipped him, throwing him 10 feet into the lawn. He exited her SUV and his phone stopped moving 17 seconds later. His health app shows his heart stopped beating also. NONE of Tech stream and GPS and health data was EVER disputed by the defence because it is BULLETPROOF.

Her defense lawyer stated to the court " it was an unintended accident " and to the press, on the courthouse steps, the day of her arrangement.

Video and eyewitness testimony proves beyond all doubt that the taillight was not busted out after she dropped O'keefe off at the Albert's home.

It is delusional to believe all those parallel scratches on his arm was a result of impact with a taillight.

[KAM+6]

And here is the testimony of a police officer who assisted in towing Karen Read's SUV away from her house after the murder. He testified that there were cracks but most of the lens was in still there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb8xjHDwLy8
Sergeant Nicholas Barros testified that when he saw Karen Read’s SUV in Dighton, the taillight damage was nowhere near as severe as the photos now being shown in court. He says it was cracked but intact, with bulbs and tabs still in place. So why did the damage look so much worse after the vehicle had been moved to Canton PD, under Trooper Proctor’s supervision? This video breaks down the suspicious timeline, lack of documentation, and what it could mean for the prosecution’s case.

Why didn't you show Court TV trial of Barros complete testimony that included cross exam??? You chose only the direct posted by a "blogger" . Hank Brennan successfully had Barros admit that the taillight damage he saw was EXACTLY like the photo of dash cam video taken 8 hours earlier before Karen and her dad took it to Dighton. An additional foot of snow had fallen during that time. The defense showed a photo of SUV with NO snow or snow packed tailight.

Also he admitted he testified in first trial that there was a dent in the tailgate. Which he mysteriously left out in this testimony.

[KAM+6]

Video and eyewitness testimony proves beyond all doubt that the taillight was not busted out after she dropped O'keefe off at the Albert's home.

It is delusional to believe all those parallel scratches on his arm was a result of impact with a taillight.

It is delusional to believe those scratches are dog bites unless its from a hairless dog with no DNA or lower jaw.

Where is the witness or video showing taillight was not busted out. ??

He was found in a field debris of her tailight and microscopic taillight shards in his shirt.

Where is the witness Jacka$$ promised in opening statement that saw john in the house??

Karen's words" I pulled to the foot of the driveway and he went up the driveway and saw his head go in. LIE, truck right behind her pulled across driveway with four witnesses.
"I waited there and called him a few times.". LIE Her phone never called him.
" I left him at the Waterfall bar". LIE
" Nobody knows where the F you are". LIE.
" I called his friends about 1". LIE. Never called anyone but Daddy , left text " "Johns dead". Before he was found by her under a foot of snow with her X-Ray eyes.
" John was hit by a plow"
Dateline. " He didn't look mortality wounded ". Denis Murphy, " That would have been when you dropped him off , right". Karen " Yes, it would have to have been"

[kingofbeer]

Who is turd boy? Watched 20/20 show about Karen Read. She seems to be very joyful about being in the public eye.Something is not right about her. Not sure why a state trooper was assigned as the lead investigator. Looks like she sped away in her SUV and then backed up into O'Keefe at a high rate of speed.

[ithos]

Why didn't you show Court TV trial of Barros complete testimony that included cross exam??? You chose only the direct posted by a "blogger" . Hank Brennan successfully had Barros admit that the taillight damage he saw was EXACTLY like the photo of dash cam video taken 8 hours earlier before Karen and her dad took it to Dighton. An additional foot of snow had fallen during that time. The defense showed a photo of SUV with NO snow or snow packed tailight.

Also he admitted he testified in first trial that there was a dent in the tailgate. Which he mysteriously left out in this testimony.

Video Proof that Read's SUV tailight was intact except for a crack(from backing into O'keefes SUV) after she left Fairview at John O'keefes home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bN4xCV17g0 (1:40)
Video Proof that tailight was intact when it was loaded onto the tow truck and testimony of police officer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF182-pehEs (16.01)
Tailight wasn't shattered until it was towed to the Sallyport. Case Closed.

[KAM+6]

Video Proof that Read's SUV tailight was intact except for a crack(from backing into O'keefes SUV) after she left Fairview at John O'keefes home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bN4xCV17g0 (1:40)
Video Proof that tailight was intact when it was loaded onto the tow truck and testimony of police officer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF182-pehEs (16.01)
Tailight wasn't shattered until it was towed to the Sallyport. Case Closed.

The Court TV complete trial is the only acceptable video. It CLEARLY shows Barrow cross exam, him stating that the ring cam at 5:07am has a broken taillight and also the dash cam of police cruiser at 8:23 has a broken right taillight on SUV. He admitted under oath that was EXACTLY what he saw.
EIGHT hours before police went to her parents house to get the SUV. First SERT team arrived at Fairview just before 5pm, rest arrived within 20 min. Several police and a News crew were filming. 9 Sert team worked, shoulder to shoulder, digging a 3 ft snowbank, news crew and state police filming. First piece was found 5:40 , BEFORE SUV arrived at sallyport. They went on to collect several more pieces, a sneaker, his hat. ALL under 3 ft snowbank.

[BrianL99]

Who is turd boy? Watched 20/20 show about Karen Read. She seems to be very joyful about being in the public eye.Something is not right about her. Not sure why a state trooper was assigned as the lead investigator. Looks like she sped away in her SUV and then backed up into O'Keefe at a high rate of speed.

"Turd Boy" is Turtle Boy (Aidan Kearney), who's a school teacher, turned award winning blogger and news source.

He focuses on defending 1st Amendment rights and exposing corruption in state/local government, particularly police departments and other agencies that hide behind the blue curtain and other such cultural conspiracies.

Many of the charges against him have been dismissed and the others are simply Aiden being harassed by agencies and institutions who have been embarrassed by his attempts to shine a spotlight on corruption.

He's exposed a number of scandals in MA, notably a MA State Police Trooper, with a history of drug dealing and money laundering.

The 1st Amendment is a tricky subject. Everyone seems to consider it inviolate and a foundation of our country ... until someone starts talking about tough subjects we don't agree with. We either have the right to free speech or we don't ... there's no "sort of".

[ithos]

The Court TV complete trial is the only acceptable video. It CLEARLY shows Barrow cross exam, him stating that the ring cam at 5:07am has a broken taillight and also the dash cam of police cruiser at 8:23 has a broken right taillight on SUV. He admitted under oath that was EXACTLY what he saw.
EIGHT hours before police went to her parents house to get the SUV. First SERT team arrived at Fairview just before 5pm, rest arrived within 20 min. Several police and a News crew were filming. 9 Sert team worked, shoulder to shoulder, digging a 3 ft snowbank, news crew and state police filming. First piece was found 5:40 , BEFORE SUV arrived at sallyport. They went on to collect several more pieces, a sneaker, his hat. ALL under 3 ft snowbank.

We don't need any witness testimony because there are two videos in my previous post that proved beyond a shadow of any doubt that the tailight was mostly intact well after the death of John O'keefe. Therefore it is an absolute impossibilty that the tailight was a factor in John O'Keefe's death. And if he had been hit by an SUV and flung in the air there would be large bruises on his body. Not parallel animal scratches/bite wounds.

The pieces were planted slowly over time. That is why it took three weeks to find them all. And it is no coincidence that the video of the sallyport was doctored which was shown in the first trial.

And there was another coverup attempted by the Canton Police that involved the murder of a young woman initially classified as a suicide.
Microscope on Norfolk County as feds investigate deaths of Sandra Birchmore, John O'Keefe - CBS Boston (https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/norfolk-county-federal-investigation-sandra-birchmore-john-okeefe-karen-read/)
Play (https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2024/06/24/death-of-sandra-birchmore-was-a-homicide-prominent-doctor-says/)

[BrianL99]

He is a former teacher , fired for inappropriate conduct with sutdents. He is no journalist. Journalists seek the truth. He is a blogger making thousands of dollars of the likes of fools paying.

If you call hararassing innocent people including children and family of victims and organizing a "mob" to go after them you are as sick as him Brian 99. Its all on video.

He has already pleaded the 5th in Read case because he is a COWARD and is crying ,literally, about going to jail.

Is this the way trials are going to conducted now.??? Harrass family, innocent witnesses, victiims, pollute the jury with threats and online bulling under the guise of first amendment??. Follow people into stores with video cam, calling their job or place of business, with a bullhorn calling them murders.??
Kearney and Karen , her defence team orchestrated the whole conspiracy. Now they are distancing them from him and he is crying.


Kearney is the Scumb of the earth. NONE of the charges in this case have been dismissed.

Facts matter and this post is short on facts, long on speculation and innuendo..

Dismissed: Judge dismisses some charges against '''Turtleboy,''' but rejects First Amendment argument (https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-dismisses-charges-against-turtleboy-230521831.html)

Found Not Guilty: Aidan Kearney a.k.a. '''Turtleboy''' acquitted of restraining order violation (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/06/17/metro/aidan-kearney-turtleboy-found-not-guilty-restraining-order/)

[KAM+6]

We don't need any witness testimony because there are two videos in my previous post that proved beyond a shadow of any doubt that the tailight was mostly intact well after the death of John O'keefe. Therefore it is an absolute impossibilty that the tailight was a factor in John O'Keefe's death. And if he had been hit by an SUV and flung in the air there would be large bruises on his body. Not parallel animal scratches/bite wounds.

The pieces were planted slowly over time. That is why it took three weeks to find them all. And it is no coincidence that the video of the sallyport was doctored which was shown in the first trial.

And there was another coverup attempted by the Canton Police that involved the murder of a young woman initially classified as a suicide.
Microscope on Norfolk County as feds investigate deaths of Sandra Birchmore, John O'Keefe - CBS Boston (https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/norfolk-county-federal-investigation-sandra-birchmore-john-okeefe-karen-read/)
Play (https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2024/06/24/death-of-sandra-birchmore-was-a-homicide-prominent-doctor-says/)

Yes, the video of actuall trial is correct of Barros. The CROSS by Brennan where Barros ADMITTED that what he saw was EXACTLY like the taillight he saw, NOT like the photo Shown by defence of the sally port where all the blizzard snow was packed in it.and had melted Barros never went to the sallyport. The photos and videos were taken 8 hours before her parents took her SUV to their house 40 miles way. CLEARLY show broken tailight compared to left side tailight HOURS before police took SUV.

Sert team started shoveling a 3 ft snow bank at 5:20, with several police, and a news crew filming. First pieces were found about 5:30. SUV was still being towed to Canton, all on dash cam video. Also found was his sneaker , hat and straw from drink Karen said he took from her car when he exited. Several pieces were found as the snow melted. This was one of the worst blizzard in Canton history with over 24" and snow drifts over 3'.

Tech stream data from her SUV recorded it went 34' forward, slammed into reverse 80+' . with a pedestrian strike. Timestamp correlated with GPS and health app on Johnny's phone. Johnny died 17 seconds after exiting her SUV.

Johnny NEVER entered the house. Karen hit him and left him to DIE in the blizzard. She called him 54times and every called pinged where he was found. She never called 911 but she did call Daddy at 1am??? FBI investigation concluded only Karen was responsible. No one else was charged.

[ithos]

Facts matter and this post is short on facts, long on speculation and innuendo..

Dismissed: Judge dismisses some charges against '''Turtleboy,''' but rejects First Amendment argument (https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-dismisses-charges-against-turtleboy-230521831.html)

Found Not Guilty: Aidan Kearney a.k.a. '''Turtleboy''' acquitted of restraining order violation (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/06/17/metro/aidan-kearney-turtleboy-found-not-guilty-restraining-order/)

TurtleBoy is a pugnacious independent journalist that exposes abuses and corruption of those who have been granted considerable power and influence inherent of their government roles. His motives are righteous despite the fact he has a potty mouth.
He has also done a magnificent job of making the the scapegoating of Karen Read a cause célèbre.

[ithos]

Yes, the video of actuall trial is correct of Barros. The CROSS by Brennan where Barros ADMITTED that what he saw was EXACTLY like the taillight he saw, NOT like the photo Shown by defence of the sally port where all the blizzard snow was packed in it.and had melted Barros never went to the sallyport. The photos and videos were taken 8 hours before her parents took her SUV to their house 40 miles way. CLEARLY show broken tailight compared to left side tailight HOURS before police took SUV.

Sert team started shoveling a 3 ft snow bank at 5:20, with several police, and a news crew filming. First pieces were found about 5:30. SUV was still being towed to Canton, all on dash cam video. Also found was his sneaker , hat and straw from drink Karen said he took from her car when he exited. Several pieces were found as the snow melted. This was one of the worst blizzard in Canton history with over 24" and snow drifts over 3'.

Tech stream data from her SUV recorded it went 34' forward, slammed into reverse 80+' . with a pedestrian strike. Timestamp correlated with GPS and health app on Johnny's phone. Johnny died 17 seconds after exiting her SUV.

Johnny NEVER entered the house. Karen hit him and left him to DIE in the blizzard.

The 12 jurors and alternatives clearly disagree. Almost all were interviewed and said they believed she was innocent, not merely Not Guilty. There is an avalanche of evidence proving that John O'keefe entered the house. But in the second trial the lawyers focus was narrowed to just meeting the low bar of "beyond a reasonable doubt"
You still continue to avoid explaing how a impact with a SUV causes scratches without leaving any bruises.

[BrianL99]

The 12 jurors and alternatives clearly disagree. Almost all were interviewed and said they believed she was innocent, not merely Not Guilty. There is an avalanche of evidence proving that John O'keefe entered the house. But in the second trial the lawyers focus was narrowed to just meeting the low bar of "beyond a reasonable doubt"
You still continue to avoid explaing how a impact with a SUV causes scratches without leaving any bruises.

The Karen Reed trial still gets at least an hour of TV coverage, every night in Boston. Her lawyers were being interviewed tonight.

It's clear the Prosecution was out classed, despite spending $1,000,000+, just for the "heavy hitter" (Hank Brennan) they brought in. Such spending is needed, when you have a case, based on facts and evidence.

One issue her defense attorneys both brought up, was the issue of Read being "over charged". If O'Keefe wasn't a Boston Police Officer, she would have been charged with Vehicular Homicide and made a deal. The Prosecutors bit off way more than they could chew and they paid for it.

As for Aiden, I don't always like his approach, but I typically agree with his targets. I was personally involved with one of his cause célèbres and he's relentless at digging up the truth and trying to help level the playing field.